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Title: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 18, 2018, 02:08:17 am
Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Washington Post, Jun 17, 2018

On Sunday, a day we as a nation set aside to honor fathers and the bonds of family, I was among the millions of Americans who watched images of children who have been torn from their parents. In the six weeks between April 19 and May 31, the Department of Homeland Security has sent nearly 2,000 children to mass detention centers or foster care. More than 100 of these children are younger than 4 years old. The reason for these separations is a zero-tolerance policy for their parents, who are accused of illegally crossing our borders.

I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.

Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history. We also know that this treatment inflicts trauma; interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who were not interned.


Read more:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/laura-bush-separating-children-from-their-parents-at-the-border-breaks-my-heart/2018/06/17/f2df517a-7287-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.774c00d76304 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/laura-bush-separating-children-from-their-parents-at-the-border-breaks-my-heart/2018/06/17/f2df517a-7287-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.774c00d76304)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 18, 2018, 02:09:53 am
Words fail me. 

Take a couple of dozen kids to your effing ranch, Laura.  Soros will pay you for it.



Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: endicom on June 18, 2018, 02:17:46 am

Where have you been, Laura? Why now?

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GtHawk on June 18, 2018, 02:22:28 am
Hasn't this been policy since cigar man?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 18, 2018, 02:23:54 am
Hasn't this been policy since cigar man?

Not policy, it's been the law
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 02:24:50 am
Yeah, well running a stop sign and killing somebody breaks mine.  She separated Mike Douglas from his parents.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: ABX on June 18, 2018, 02:28:44 am
Hasn't this been policy since cigar man?

Yep, he wrote it.  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,320728.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,320728.0.html)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: corbe on June 18, 2018, 02:36:47 am
      Hey @Right_in_Virginia the other Mrs. Trump, Melainia, not you, agrees with Laura Bush.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 18, 2018, 02:42:39 am
Mrs. Bush is correct.  These children must be without delay, reunited with their parents in their parent's home country.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 02:43:45 am
Mrs. Bush is correct.  These children must be without delay, reunited with their parents in their parent's home country.

Yep, they did it for Elian.

(https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/150422/a_flashback_elian_150422.nbcnews-fp-360-200.jpg)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 18, 2018, 02:45:52 am
anybody with the last name Bush is hurting this country.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 02:46:00 am
Joe Goebbels had nothing on these guys in the propaganda department.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 18, 2018, 02:47:14 am
      Hey @Right_in_Virginia the other Mrs. Trump, Melainia, not you,

Why do you waste so much of your time trying to be funny?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 18, 2018, 02:51:03 am
Mrs. Bush is correct.  These children must be without delay, reunited with their parents in their parent's home country.

Absolutely without delay.  I think everyone could approve of them being reunited in their own county.  Maybe the Bush family can shoulder the burden of taking care of all these children instead of the taxpayer. 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: corbe on June 18, 2018, 02:51:10 am
Why do you waste so much of your time trying to be funny?

   Good Question @Right_in_Virginia I'll sleep on that and give you an answer tomorrow, in the meantime can you come up with anything Mrs. Trump that bothers you about your Husband?  I didn't think so.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 18, 2018, 03:00:56 am
I have a great idea.  Personal responsibility.  It isn't Trump or Sessions who brought these children here.  And we must not assume that all illegal immigrants are escaping something horrible in their country.  If they are then there is asylum.  Where we are required to establish a need for it.

 Report: 90 Percent Of Guatemalans Come To US For Economic Reasons, Not To ‘Escape Violence’

5:34 PM 08/07/2017

A survey of the Guatemalan immigrant community refutes a commonly held belief that crime and gang violence are the primary drivers of migration from the Central American country to the U.S.

The International Organization for Migration (IOM), which is the U.N.’s leading agency on immigration issues, conducted a study of Guatemalan immigrants in the U.S. to learn more about why they decided to leave their home country.

The group found that 91 percent of Guatemalan immigrants came to the U.S. for economic reasons. By contrast, less than one percent fled Guatemala due to safety concerns including extortion, gang problems and the overall level of violent crime.

The IOM survey, conducted in conjunction with the Guatemalan government, undermines the narrative that Guatemalan migrants have no choice but to come to the U.S. because of rampant violence at home —  a conclusion many pro-immigration groups advance. While Guatemala — along with neighboring Honduras and El Salvador — does have a particularly high murder rate compared to most other Latin American countries, economic opportunity appears to be the primary motivating factor in immigration to the U.S.

The results of the IOM survey, which was published in Spanish, were summarized Monday in an English translation by Kausha Luna, a research associate at the Center For Immigration Studies (CIS). As Luna notes, the vast majority of Guatemalan immigrants came to improve their economic situation: 57 percent to find better employment, 33 percent to boost their income, 1.2 percent to buy a home, and 0.1 percent to start a business. Another 3.7 percent came for family reunification purposes....

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/report-90-percent-of-guatemalans-come-to-us-for-economic-reasons-not-to-escape-violence/ (http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/report-90-percent-of-guatemalans-come-to-us-for-economic-reasons-not-to-escape-violence/)

In other simpler terms they come for our jobs and a home in America.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 03:03:48 am
How many children were separated from their parents because of your husband's stupid wars, Laura?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Bigun on June 18, 2018, 03:07:01 am
Mrs. Bush is correct.  These children must be without delay, reunited with their parents in their parent's home country.

My nominee for post of the month!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 18, 2018, 03:10:48 am
How many children were separated from their parents because of your husband's stupid wars, Laura?

TRUTH!!!!!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GtHawk on June 18, 2018, 04:18:27 am
Not policy, it's been the law
Well it's hard to tell when dealing with democrats. They consider both the Constitution and laws to be fluid.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GtHawk on June 18, 2018, 04:19:38 am
anybody with the last name Bush is hurting this country.
Now wait a minute, there is that baked bean guy.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 18, 2018, 12:32:10 pm
Quote
These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history. We also know that this treatment inflicts trauma; interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who were not interned.

This is the nugget that pisses me off the most.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 18, 2018, 01:08:11 pm
Mrs. Bush is correct.  These children must be without delay, reunited with their parents in their parent's home country.

@Sanguine  :amen:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 18, 2018, 01:09:41 pm
anybody with the last name Bush is hurting this country.

@IsailedawayfromFR

That's what they do. It's who they are.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 18, 2018, 01:10:47 pm
Absolutely without delay.  I think everyone could approve of them being reunited in their own county.  Maybe the Bush family can shoulder the burden of taking care of all these children instead of the taxpayer.

@Chosen Daughter

Exactly! Somebody needs to tell that mouthy bitch to put her money where her mouth is.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Restored on June 18, 2018, 01:13:47 pm
Tell it to your husband. It was done when he was President.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: jpsb on June 18, 2018, 01:28:00 pm
I can't stand the Bushes. Screw each and every one of them.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 18, 2018, 01:30:54 pm
I can't stand the Bushes. Screw each and every one of them.


@jpsb

The Bush Crime Family,the alleged Republican version of the Kennedy Klan.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 18, 2018, 01:42:19 pm
The Bush's were silent for 8 years of Obama.  As he brought in our enemies, bowed to foreign Kings, and used tax money to kill unborn babies.

But now they care about the children???

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: skeeter on June 18, 2018, 01:45:24 pm
The Bush's were silent for 8 years of Obama.  As he brought in our enemies, bowed to foreign Kings, and used tax money to kill unborn babies.

But now they care about the children???

The Bushes aren't stupid - they know this whole 'separating children' farce they are willingly weighing in on is DNC political strategy.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 18, 2018, 01:48:01 pm
2 wrongs don't make a right.

We are the most or among the most charitable people on earth, it be an earthquake or some calamity hits a part of the world.

This is just to tug at the heartstrings.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 18, 2018, 01:48:48 pm
Every day it becomes more and more apparent that this isn't a battle between liberals and conservatives, or democrats and republicans.  No its a battle between those who wish to make America subordinate to a global government and those who wish to keep America free.

We all know what side the Bush's are on.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 18, 2018, 01:49:49 pm
2 wrongs don't make a right.

We are the most or among the most charitable people on earth, it be an earthquake or some calamity hits a part of the world.

This is just to tug at the heartstrings.

@TomSea
What are the two wrongs?  I see nothing wrong from caring for the children of people arrest for breaking the law.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: endicom on June 18, 2018, 02:06:58 pm
"In effect, Laura Bush is advocating for privileging foreign law-breakers over Americans.  Since we are ceaselessly told by the left that black Americans are disproportionately incarcerated, this means that the former first lady must be a raaacist, arguing for harsher treatment of black Americans than of foreigners (who incidentally travel long distances to violate our laws)."

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/06/et_tu_laura.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/06/et_tu_laura.html)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: jpsb on June 18, 2018, 02:09:15 pm

We all know what side the Bush's are on.

Yes we do. The Bushes are shameless globalist neocons. No member of the Bush family should ever
try to tell the rest of us right from wrong. How many died due to the Bushes open borders policies
How many died due to the endless wars the Bushes got us into. How many died due to abortion
supported by the Bush women.

It is clear that Bushes are aligned with the DNC with this manufacturer outrage over a policy that
has been in effect for decades. The Bushes have no shame. Hopefully now ever American
conservative will be able to see the Bushes for what they really are. Anti-American globalists.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 18, 2018, 02:26:40 pm
Yes we do. The Bushes are shameless globalist neocons. No member of the Bush family should ever
try to tell the rest of us right from wrong. How many died due to the Bushes open borders policies
How many died due to the endless wars the Bushes got us into. How many died due to abortion
supported by the Bush women.

It is clear that Bushes are aligned with the DNC with this manufacturer outrage over a policy that
has been in effect for decades. The Bushes have no shame. Hopefully now ever American
conservative will be able to see the Bushes for what they really are. Anti-American globalists.

Shameless.  So called Republicans that don't support the laws in our country.  These laws are meant to keep people safe.  I just watched and interview between CBS and the Border Patrol officer.  They shut it down quick when he mentioned the dangers of crossing the border illegally.  He mentioned a number of rescues.  These people are breaking the law and they are putting those children in danger.  Every year they find the remains of people who have drowned in the Rio Grand or died in the desert.  These so called "parents" dragging their small children along so that they can make American money and go home to buy beach front property.

Those are the people who are putting children in danger.  The children are lucky to make it to a facility where they receive medical attention.  Food, water and clean clothing.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 18, 2018, 02:30:39 pm
Shameless.  So called Republicans that don't support the laws in our country.  These laws are meant to keep people safe.  I just watched and interview between CBS and the Border Patrol officer.  They shut it down quick when he mentioned the dangers of crossing the border illegally.  He mentioned a number of rescues.  These people are breaking the law and they are putting those children in danger.  Every year they find the remains of people who have drowned in the Rio Grand or died in the desert.  These so called "parents" dragging their small children along so that they can make American money and go home to buy beach front property.

Those are the people who are putting children in danger.  The children are lucky to make it to a facility where they receive medical attention.  Food, water and clean clothing.

And the globalists continue to encourage people to risk their lives crossing northern mexico to enter illegally.  Many are murdered, raped, robbed or just die from the desert they are sneaking through.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 18, 2018, 02:36:13 pm
And the globalists continue to encourage people to risk their lives crossing northern mexico to enter illegally.  Many are murdered, raped, robbed or just die from the desert they are sneaking through.

Exactly.  They should not only be prosecuted for crossing illegally.  They should be prosecuted for child abuse, child endangerment.  And enough with the everyone coming is escaping violence.  No, they come to make money.

Border Patrol Rescues Increase as Temperatures Rise

Español



 Release Date: May 8, 2018

TUCSON, Ariz. – As temperatures rise, Tucson Sector Border Patrol officials want to remind the public that this time of year is an especially dangerous time in Arizona’s deserts.

Since Friday, Border Patrol agents have rescued 46 people stranded or lost in the desert, bringing the number to 52 so far this month. At least seven of those were from rescue beacon activations. Tucson Sector maintains 34 rescue beacons that, when activated, initiate an immediate response from the nearest Border Patrol asset.

It is physically impossible for the average person to carry enough water to survive several days of walking through Arizona’s desert. In addition, a lack of infrastructure in

addition, a lack of infrastructure in remote areas makes it impossible to quickly find help in an emergency. As a result, Border Patrol agents often find migrants who were abandoned because they could not keep up with their human smuggler.

Although Tucson Sector employs more than 275 emergency medical technicians and more than 20 paramedics, there’s no guarantee that someone stranded in a remote area will be found in time to prevent the loss of life.

Arizona’s desert shows no mercy for those unprepared for its remote, harsh terrain and unpredictable weather. The Border Patrol advises anyone in distress to call 9-1-1 or activate a rescue beacon as soon as possible.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/border-patrol-rescues-increase-temperatures-rise-0 (https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/border-patrol-rescues-increase-temperatures-rise-0)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 03:01:50 pm
So why are these shithole countries never called out for the deplorable conditions these people are trying to escape from?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: jpsb on June 18, 2018, 03:21:12 pm

Those are the people who are putting children in danger.  The children are lucky to make it to a facility where they receive medical attention.  Food, water and clean clothing.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 03:36:49 pm
(https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01625/bush_1625830c.jpg)

Mike Douglas was unavailable for comment.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 18, 2018, 03:45:38 pm
@TomSea
What are the two wrongs?  I see nothing wrong from caring for the children of people arrest for breaking the law.

My perspective is per amnesty, give the parents amnesty, wrong #1, is likely to lead to giving the children amnesty.

Now, in this case, amnesty might not mean giving out citizenship, it could even mean giving these people legal status permanently or temporarily.

Of course, caring for these people is okay in that.

@driftdriver
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 18, 2018, 03:56:14 pm
My perspective is per amnesty, give the parents amnesty, wrong #1, is likely to lead to giving the children amnesty.

Now, in this case, amnesty might not mean giving out citizenship, it could even mean giving these people legal status permanently or temporarily.

Of course, caring for these people is okay in that.

@driftdriver

@TomSea

America needs to control the borders.  This is where policy breaks down.   Many on the globalist side do not want to control the borders.   They want illegal immigration.   No necessarily for the votes, but to dilute the national identity of America.   Because that is what it will take to move their globalist agenda forward.  Look at France, Germany, Sweden where the culture is changing rapidly and in Frances case is likely to all but disappear in a generation.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 18, 2018, 04:05:15 pm
Separation should be a public policy that is marketed aggressively in Mexico and South America.  Internet, radio and TV ads need to be blaring constantly.   It should be broadcast in Spanish that if you attempt to come into the United States with your children without going through the proper visa applications and residency requirements as proscribed BY law - that WHEN you are apprehended at the border or inside of the country - that their children WILL be taken and placed into state custody and separated from their parents until such time as they are reunited when repatriated in their home nation after deportation.

Also it needs to be said and done that any public financial assistance from the government is going to be restricted to bona-fide American citizens ONLY.  There is no more freebies among the Gringos for the wetbacks.  Period.  End of sentence.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 18, 2018, 04:23:55 pm
A lot of people have very minor criminal records, maybe they shoplifted at 18 years old or something. When, one starts forgiving criminal wrongdoing, it can get complex. Give it to foreigners but not Americans?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 18, 2018, 04:27:05 pm
Trump should pardon them all and reunite them with their wader babies..  Then the Libs would bitch about that!..
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 18, 2018, 04:29:17 pm
100% of the families that do not come here illegally do not get separated at the border.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 18, 2018, 04:32:22 pm
This issue resonates with Christians who have been supplanted by the alt-right in the GOP.  Every picture of a crying child on the border will cost GOP votes, because some Republicans still have human emotions. 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 18, 2018, 04:33:17 pm
This issue resonates with Christians who have been supplanted by the alt-right in the GOP.  Every picture of a crying child on the border will cost GOP votes, because some Republicans still have human emotions.

Come on man. Pubs have no heart. 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 18, 2018, 04:38:25 pm
This issue resonates with Christians who have been supplanted by the alt-right in the GOP.  Every picture of a crying child on the border will cost GOP votes, because some Republicans still have human emotions.

You're right, you got us.  Children should be sent along with whoever tries to bring them in.  Of course, we don't know if they are coming in with parents or trafficers, but who cares?  It's all about how WE feel.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: skeeter on June 18, 2018, 04:43:36 pm
Come on man. Pubs have no heart.

Anyone who'd push granny off a cliff wouldn't have any problem ripping children from their mother's breast.

(http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists//watchwomanonthewall/files/2012/09/Obama-pushing-Social-Security-off-the-Cliff.jpg)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 04:44:54 pm
Hey Laura, did your heart break about this?

(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/ustorture.jpg?quality=65&strip=all)

F'ing hypocrite!
Title: Mrs. Bush Rails Against 'Cruel' Border Separation Policy
Post by: mystery-ak on June 18, 2018, 05:05:01 pm

Mrs. Bush Rails Against 'Cruel' Border Separation Policy
Cortney O'Brien
6/18/2018 10:00:00 AM - Cortney O'Brien

The Trump administration's policy of separating illegal immigrant families at the U.S.-Mexico border doesn't sit well with some people, including former First Lady Laura Bush. In a new op-ed for The Washington Post, Mrs. Bush explained why the White House's zero tolerance policy is "cruel," "immoral," and "breaks her heart."

Mrs. Bush compared today's policy of separating families to our treatment of Japanese Americans during World War Two.

    Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history. We also know that this treatment inflicts trauma; interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who were not interned. (Washington Post)

more
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2018/06/18/mrs-bush-rails-against-cruel-border-separation-policy-n2491798/print
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 18, 2018, 05:09:44 pm
You're right, you got us.  Children should be sent along with whoever tries to bring them in.  Of course, we don't know if they are coming in with parents or trafficers, but who cares?  It's all about how WE feel.
It's not a matter of getting you.  It's an observation few on this board recognize.  Probably don't want to recognize...easier to pretend the other side is rooting for traffickers. 
Title: Re: Mrs. Bush Rails Against 'Cruel' Border Separation Policy
Post by: thackney on June 18, 2018, 05:11:58 pm
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/why-are-families-being-separated-at-the-border-an-explainer/

...Is this a new immigration enforcement policy?

Not completely. The George W. Bush administration implemented Operation Streamline in 2005, which also referred many people who violated these provisions for prosecution in federal courts, although the majority of prosecutions were for the felony charge of illegal re-entry and not for first-time offenders. The Obama administration continued and expanded the policy through 2014, but later shifted its enforcement priories towards targeting specific criminal populations.

The Obama administration also used family separation when they prosecuted immigration offenses as a deterrent against illegal border crossings after 2014 as more children and families fled violence in Central American countries. However, immigration advocates allege that the new zero-tolerance policy against immigration violations will cause more families to be separated than before, with some claiming to have witnessed an increase in family separations since June 2017....
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Silver Pines on June 18, 2018, 05:13:13 pm
Mrs. Bush is correct.  These children must be without delay, reunited with their parents in their parent's home country.

@Sanguine

Exactly.

It would be nice if Laura's concern for the children extended to those in the womb.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: libertybele on June 18, 2018, 05:13:15 pm
This issue resonates with Christians who have been supplanted by the alt-right in the GOP.  Every picture of a crying child on the border will cost GOP votes, because some Republicans still have human emotions.

Let's see here ... let the bleeding hearts attend a prayer vigil where innocent AMERICAN LEGAL CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, have been either, raped, murdered, kidnapped, or maimed by an illegal alien and let's see how they feel afterwards.  Let's see their human emotions then.  We're talking toddlers, infants, children, mothers, fathers, brother, sisters from all walks of life; students, nurses, police officers, teachers, homemakers, etc.!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 18, 2018, 05:41:07 pm
It's not a matter of getting you.  It's an observation few on this board recognize.  Probably don't want to recognize...easier to pretend the other side is rooting for traffickers.

"Getting me"?  Not sure what that means.

And, no, I don't think "the other side" is rooting for traffickers.  That's a silly accusation.  I think they are woefully ignorant though.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 18, 2018, 05:55:13 pm
Let's see here ... let the bleeding hearts attend a prayer vigil where innocent AMERICAN LEGAL CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, have been either, raped, murdered, kidnapped, or maimed by an illegal alien and let's see how they feel afterwards.  Let's see their human emotions then.  We're talking toddlers, infants, children, mothers, fathers, brother, sisters from all walks of life; students, nurses, police officers, teachers, homemakers, etc.!

You seem to believe every illegal is evil.  I do not.  I also don't think every border patriot is complicit in hate crimes against illegals.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 05:58:54 pm
You seem to believe every illegal is evil.  I do not.  I also don't think every border patriot is complicit in hate crimes against illegals.

Enough of them are, to justify having a policy that makes it much more difficult to enter, and to dissuade most from even trying.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 18, 2018, 06:03:43 pm
"Getting me"?  Not sure what that means.
I quoted you "You're right, you got us."
Quote
And, no, I don't think "the other side" is rooting for traffickers.  That's a silly accusation.  I think they are woefully ignorant though.
Again I quoted your silly accusation "Children should be sent along with whoever tries to bring them in.  Of course, we don't know if they are coming in with parents or trafficers, but who cares?"

I know I'm not writing ideas you want to hear or consider, but really?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 18, 2018, 06:05:11 pm
Enough of them are, to justify having a policy that makes it much more difficult to enter, and to dissuade most from even trying.
Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent.  We will see.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 18, 2018, 06:05:51 pm
I quoted you "You're right, you got us."Again I quoted your silly accusation "Children should be sent along with whoever tries to bring them in.  Of course, we don't know if they are coming in with parents or trafficers, but who cares?"

I know I'm not writing ideas you want to hear or consider, but really?

LOL.  Whatever. 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: skeeter on June 18, 2018, 06:12:11 pm
Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent.  We will see.

Comments like this do not do your credibility favors. In case you care.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: libertybele on June 18, 2018, 06:18:06 pm
You seem to believe every illegal is evil.  I do not.  I also don't think every border patriot is complicit in hate crimes against illegals.

Please don't tell me what I believe.  EVERY and yes, I mean EVERY immigrant entering into this country ILLEGALLY IS indeed ILLEGAL.  I didn't say that they were all evil.  They are ILLEGAL.  They should be forbidden from entering this country period; children included.  That's why a border wall is needed. 

Those that are already here, if caught, should be deported.  NO perks.  NO benefits. NO jobs.  NO medical.  Deportation period.  I don't care how educated or uneducated they are; they are still illegal.  Deport them.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 18, 2018, 06:26:05 pm
You seem to believe every illegal is evil.  I do not.  I also don't think every border patriot is complicit in hate crimes against illegals.

@Once-Ler
Is it a hate crime when Mexico arrests people who cross their southern border illegally?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Bigun on June 18, 2018, 06:28:20 pm
Comments like this do not do your credibility favors. In case you care.

What credibility?

He's had none for quite some time now IMHO.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Bigun on June 18, 2018, 06:29:33 pm
Please don't tell me what I believe.  EVERY and yes, I mean EVERY immigrant entering into this country ILLEGALLY IS indeed ILLEGAL.  I didn't say that they were all evil.  They are ILLEGAL.  They should be forbidden from entering this country period; children included.  That's why a border wall is needed. 

Those that are already here, if caught, should be deported.  NO perks.  NO benefits. NO jobs.  NO medical.  Deportation period.  I don't care how educated or uneducated they are; they are still illegal.  Deport them.

Exactly!   Well said!   888high58888
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 18, 2018, 06:30:41 pm
It's just a ruse to build up the Democratic party, the Republicans know this. Now,they put out this heartfelt argument, Laura Bush, Pelosi, whomever....

As someone said, where is this compassion about the right to life?

It's a disingenuous argument and it is made to appeal to the emotions of the masses. They aren't fooled so much this time.

A nation without borders is not a nation I think Reagan said, enough people have come into the nation through our generosity, let alone poor court decisions as that one allowing anchor babies.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 18, 2018, 06:31:46 pm
What credibility?

He's had none for quite some time now IMHO.

I hate to pile on.  Well actually I do, but in this case I concur. Once left us some time ago.  I wish him well in his new skin.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 18, 2018, 06:31:52 pm
Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent.  We will see.

Oh brother.

What we are experiencing is more of an invasion.

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 18, 2018, 06:34:46 pm
Please don't tell me what I believe.  EVERY and yes, I mean EVERY immigrant entering into this country ILLEGALLY IS indeed ILLEGAL.  I didn't say that they were all evil.  They are ILLEGAL.  They should be forbidden from entering this country period; children included.  That's why a border wall is needed. 

Those that are already here, if caught, should be deported.  NO perks.  NO benefits. NO jobs.  NO medical.  Deportation period.  I don't care how educated or uneducated they are; they are still illegal.  Deport them.

Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor.  We don't typically rip families apart for misdemeanors.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 18, 2018, 06:36:01 pm
Comments like this do not do your credibility favors. In case you care.
It's sweet of you to be concerned about my credibility @skeeter .
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 18, 2018, 06:39:31 pm
Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor.  We don't typically rip families apart for misdemeanors.

In nearly every other country on earth, crossing a border illegally will earn you a long stint in jail and possibly charged with spying or some other subversive charge.

When to comes to people illegally entering the country - then YES, whatever deterrent we employ, I support.  INCLUDING separating children from parent until they can be reunited in their nation of origin after deportation.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Emjay on June 18, 2018, 06:39:50 pm
      Hey @Right_in_Virginia the other Mrs. Trump, Melainia, not you, agrees with Laura Bush.

@corbe   At least spell her name right.  Melania did not agree with Laura.  Her statement was for compassion but not open borders.  You either have border control or you don't.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 18, 2018, 06:39:58 pm
Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor.  We don't typically rip families apart for misdemeanors.

Don't forget: Illegal immigrants are deportable under Immigration and Nationality Act Section 237 (a)(1)(B) which says: "Any alien who is present in the United States in violation of this Act or any other law of the United States is deportable."

So it is not your usual everyday american citezen charged with a "misdemeanor".
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 18, 2018, 06:40:52 pm
I hate to pile on.  Well actually I do, but in this case I concur. Once left us some time ago.  I wish him well in his new skin.
@Wingnut
I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Frank Cannon on June 18, 2018, 06:41:05 pm
Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent.  We will see.

Why don't you bless us with some Noam Chomsky quotes while you are at it.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Emjay on June 18, 2018, 06:44:04 pm
This is the nugget that pisses me off the most.

Yep!  That was wrong but it's been over 75 years ago.  The separated children are placed in clean, attractive dorm rooms and treated well.  When they are returned to their parents, they are probably saying, Mommy, can't I go back to that fun place?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: corbe on June 18, 2018, 06:45:42 pm
@corbe   At least spell her name right.  Melania did not agree with Laura.  Her statement was for compassion but not open borders.  You either have border control or you don't.


  Hell @Emjay the guy that married her can't even spell her name right, on occasion, why are you busting my balls?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 18, 2018, 06:47:27 pm


  Hell @Emjay the guy that married her can't even spell her name right, on occasion, why are you busting my balls?

Once again showing that no remark is too infantile to make if its directed at Trump and made by a NT.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 18, 2018, 06:49:09 pm


  Hell @Emjay the guy that married her can't even spell her name right, on occasion, why are you busting my balls?

I find it Ironic, a girl busting your balls.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: corbe on June 18, 2018, 06:49:40 pm
   Even the 'Classical' NT'ers here think I'm a Joke, don't play into their fears @driftdiver.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Emjay on June 18, 2018, 06:50:17 pm
This issue resonates with Christians who have been supplanted by the alt-right in the GOP.  Every picture of a crying child on the border will cost GOP votes, because some Republicans still have human emotions.

You have accidentally stumbled onto a sad truth.  If people can be wrongly convinced that children are being systematically abused, they don't like it.  And with the media pounding it, how many look for the real truth of the situation.

The truth is that the parents are knowingly putting their children into a situation in which the children have to be separated and kept safe.  The children are probably better housed and fed than they have been in their whole lives.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: corbe on June 18, 2018, 06:50:34 pm
I find it Ironic, a girl busting your balls.

   They do it all the time, especially @Emjay.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Emjay on June 18, 2018, 06:53:20 pm
Please don't tell me what I believe.  EVERY and yes, I mean EVERY immigrant entering into this country ILLEGALLY IS indeed ILLEGAL.  I didn't say that they were all evil.  They are ILLEGAL.  They should be forbidden from entering this country period; children included.  That's why a border wall is needed. 

Those that are already here, if caught, should be deported.  NO perks.  NO benefits. NO jobs.  NO medical.  Deportation period.  I don't care how educated or uneducated they are; they are still illegal.  Deport them.

@libertybele   Hey, you are one tough gal and I totally agree with you.

This is not about judging people ... it is about maintaining a sovereign nation and protecting our borders.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 18, 2018, 06:53:38 pm
You have accidentally stumbled onto a sad truth.  If people can be wrongly convinced that children are being systematically abused, they don't like it.  And with the media pounding it, how many look for the real truth of the situation.

The truth is that the parents are knowingly putting their children into a situation in which the children have to be separated and kept safe.  The children are probably better housed and fed than they have been in their whole lives.

@Emjay
I disagree, most Americans realize that even if the cage picture were true it would still be a vast improvement over where those kids came from.  At least they are safe and not being beaten or raped.

But unfortunately that was an Obama era pic, today they are housed in dorms with all kinds of fun stuff to do.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 06:53:49 pm

The truth is that the parents are knowingly putting their children into a situation in which the children have to be separated and kept safe.  The children are probably better housed and fed than they have been in their whole lives.

Meanwhile the media paints a picture that it's even worse than Auschwitz.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 06:55:39 pm
They've been doing it for years....

Remember this picture?

(http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/LIE/BOSNIA_PHOTO/LM97_Bosnia_1.gif)


The picture that fooled the world
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/LIE/BOSNIA_PHOTO/bosnia.html (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/LIE/BOSNIA_PHOTO/bosnia.html)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Emjay on June 18, 2018, 06:59:35 pm
@Emjay
I disagree, most Americans realize that even if the cage picture were true it would still be a vast improvement over where those kids came from.  At least they are safe and not being beaten or raped.

But unfortunately that was an Obama era pic, today they are housed in dorms with all kinds of fun stuff to do.

@driftdiver   I hope you're right but this is an emotional issue that seems to have resonated with people. 

You and most people here realize that these children are well-housed, well-fed and well treated but the media has glommed onto this issue and will ride it till it drops.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 18, 2018, 07:12:03 pm
@Emjay
I disagree, most Americans realize that even if the cage picture were true it would still be a vast improvement over where those kids came from. 

They’re not cages, they’re freedom spaces demarcated by patriot wire
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 18, 2018, 07:17:00 pm
They’re not cages, they’re freedom spaces demarcated by patriot wire

@Once-Ler
You're folks are the ones that called 'em cages
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 18, 2018, 07:21:06 pm
@Once-Ler
You're folks are the ones that called 'em cages
@driftdiver
I quoted you "cage picture."  Why can't you follow a conversation?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Restored on June 18, 2018, 07:22:59 pm
They’re not cages, they’re freedom spaces demarcated by patriot wire

 888high58888
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: skeeter on June 18, 2018, 07:57:41 pm
It's sweet of you to be concerned about my credibility @skeeter .

Trump is kidnapping children? Really?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 18, 2018, 07:59:27 pm
Trump is kidnapping children? Really?

Yes, and throwing them in concentration camps.  Keep up, Skeeter.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 18, 2018, 08:03:20 pm
Yes, and throwing them in concentration camps.  Keep up, Skeeter.

...and firing their parents off into the sun.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 08:08:58 pm
Yes, and throwing them in concentration camps.  Keep up, Skeeter.

And using their skin for lampshades.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 18, 2018, 08:09:31 pm
...and firing their parents off into the sun.

Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun
But mama, that's where the fun is.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 18, 2018, 08:14:28 pm
Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun
But mama, that's where the fun is.

another runner in the night
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 18, 2018, 08:14:37 pm
@driftdiver
I quoted you "cage picture."  Why can't you follow a conversation?

@Once-Ler

Last week when the media source posted the picture and attacked Trump they called them cages.  The lies about the picture being recent when it was actually several years old from when Obama was President.

That was where cages came from.  Try to keep up.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 18, 2018, 08:17:53 pm
another runner in the night

Revved up like a douche deuce. 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 18, 2018, 08:24:53 pm
Revved up like a douche deuce.

LOL.
I thought about it but I wasn't sure how I'd clean it up.
Nice job.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 18, 2018, 08:28:46 pm
LOL.
I thought about it but I wasn't sure how I'd clean it up.
Nice job.

Remember when everyone thought that was the lyric!...   :whistle:LOL
Man we are old! :smokin:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 18, 2018, 08:29:45 pm
LOL.
I thought about it but I wasn't sure how I'd clean it up.
Nice job.

Well the song was written by a douche.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 18, 2018, 08:31:35 pm
Well the song was written by a douche.

Ouch!

 :nometalk:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 18, 2018, 08:33:55 pm
Well the song was written by a douche.

Fact check: True
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GtHawk on June 18, 2018, 09:30:16 pm
You seem to believe every illegal is evil.  I do not.  I also don't think every border patriot is complicit in hate crimes against illegals.
I don't think every illegal is evil, but I most truly believe they are in no way deserving of being rewarded for breaking the law and cutting in line in front of all the legal immigrants following the rules and waiting years to for their turn.............like my parents and thousands upon thousands like them! These poor souls (Sarcasm) feel they have the right to come into America and leach off of legal immigrants and American citizens because they believe this is their land and we stole it, it's just the Brown version of reparations.

I have nothing against legal immigrants, hell I'm first generation, and their wanting a better life, but they are not special, don't deserve special treatment, nor do their children deserve better treatment than those of American citizens. And how many of these children are already or will be members of MS-13 or other gangs killing our children and family members?

I think the compassionate thing to do is to reconnect these families and send their intact butts right back to their country of origin ASAP. And do that as many damn times as necessary until they learn to apply for entry legally.

If that makes me a heartless pr*ck, I'm OK with that, nothing I haven't been called before. Actually, that would be one of the nicer things I have been called.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 18, 2018, 09:31:33 pm
Remember when everyone thought that was the lyric!...   :whistle:LOL
Man we are old! :smokin:

Oh, yeah, I remember.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: libertybele on June 18, 2018, 09:43:08 pm
Remember when everyone thought that was the lyric!...   :whistle:LOL
Man we are old! :smokin:

 Just blinded by the light!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 18, 2018, 10:15:02 pm
Oh, yeah, I remember.

Remember what?   :cool:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 18, 2018, 11:03:28 pm
The Bushes aren't stupid - they know this whole 'separating children' farce they are willingly weighing in on is DNC political strategy.

@skeeter

Exactly! They are Dims anyway.The only reason Prescott Sr ran as a Republican was because it was the slot that was open.


BTW,the Bush men ARE stupid to the bone. The smart ones in that family are the wives that give them their marching orders.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 18, 2018, 11:11:53 pm
Comments like this do not do your credibility favors. In case you care.

@Once-Ler  @skeeter

WHAT credibility? These whiners are Rockefeller Republicans. People who just can't be bothered by all that "thinking stuff" because they are too busy "feeling". Most would have voted for Bubbette! if she had of had a Big Red R behind her name.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 18, 2018, 11:19:20 pm
Oh, yeah, I remember.

@GrouchoTex

Older people know that "winding up like a DEUCE in the middle of the night refers to the most popular hot rod body and chassis of the 30's to the 60's,a 1932 Ford.

They must still be popular,because there must be a dozen companies making fiberglass 32 Ford bodies,and at least one company making new 32 Ford coupe bodies in steel.

I don't really keep track of that because I happen to own an original 1932 Ford fenderless,channeled,hot rod coupe that was originally built back in the 1940's.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 12:22:20 am
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoncXfYBAVI#)
Title: Re: Mrs. Bush Rails Against 'Cruel' Border Separation Policy
Post by: Fishrrman on June 19, 2018, 12:29:10 am
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Laura...
Hush your mouth.
Title: Re: Mrs. Bush Rails Against 'Cruel' Border Separation Policy
Post by: skeeter on June 19, 2018, 12:31:04 am
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Laura...
Hush your mouth.

But we're talkin 'bout Bush...
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: madmaximus on June 19, 2018, 12:46:31 am
Cry me a freaking river. Stupid, smelly illegal aliens need to be kicked out. Period. Enforce the law.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: endicom on June 19, 2018, 12:52:53 am
Topics merged.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 19, 2018, 01:34:15 am
Cry me a freaking river. Stupid, smelly illegal aliens need to be kicked out. Period. Enforce the law.

@madmaximus

They aren't very stupid because they are obviously smart enough to know they need to escape socialist Mexico if they want to get ahead in life,while it seems a majority of American voters want to make America socialist.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: mrclose on June 19, 2018, 01:46:42 am
@skeeter

Exactly! They are Dims anyway.The only reason Prescott Sr ran as a Republican was because it was the slot that was open.


BTW,the Bush men ARE stupid to the bone. The smart ones in that family are the wives that give them their marching orders.

Prescott Bush was involved with the American Birth Control League as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 19, 2018, 01:46:56 am
@madmaximus

They aren't very stupid because they are obviously smart enough to know they need to escape socialist Mexico if they want to get ahead in life,while it seems a majority of American voters want to make America socialist.

They are not escaping.  They are coming for better free healthcare provided by American taxpayer.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on June 19, 2018, 01:48:14 am
Remember when everyone thought that was the lyric!...   :whistle:LOL
Man we are old! :smokin:


No, consider the deuce (SP) bag singing it.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: mrclose on June 19, 2018, 01:54:52 am
Revved up like a douche deuce.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2-GqYkwjTM#)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on June 19, 2018, 02:01:30 am
Hey Laura;

Sit Down and Shut Up!

Moms of Children Killed By Illegal Aliens Slam Media For Hypocritical Coverage of Border Separations

[excerpt]

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/18/angel-moms-border-separation/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/18/angel-moms-border-separation/)

The “Angel Moms” of two American sons killed by illegal aliens told The Daily Caller how they felt about the media coverage of migrant parents separated from their children at the border.

The mothers told TheDC that there was huge hypocrisy in the mainstream media focusing on migrant parents instead of American parents who were permanently separated from their children after those children were killed by illegal aliens.

“There is hypocrisy in many ways. The total disregard for American families ripped apart because of illegal criminals, the total lack of concern for children in the U.S. being raped in North Carolina by illegals at disgusting numbers (some months over 400 child rapes by illegals), no concern [for] homeless American children or Veterans who would do anything to have what’s provided [to] these children. Yet, our politicians call it inhumane treatment. Would they rather these kids coming across our borders stay with the adults who aren’t their biological parents but have kidnapped them to get across the border as a ‘family unit?'” Mary Ann Mendoza told TheDC.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GtHawk on June 19, 2018, 04:15:10 am
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoncXfYBAVI#)
Hey have you got one of those where children that lost a parent to illegals or parents that lost a child to illegals get to talk about it?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 19, 2018, 05:21:55 am

No, consider the deuce (SP) bag singing it.

@To-Whose-Benefit?

You are equating ME to that weasel and calling me a deuce (douche) bag?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: thackney on June 19, 2018, 11:58:53 am
Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent.  We will see.

What a pathetic misrepresentation of the reality.

Do you use the same description of children with Child Services when the only known family is in jail?

Is bringing a child with you supposed to be an automatic get-out-of-jail free card?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: thackney on June 19, 2018, 12:00:27 pm
Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor.  We don't typically rip families apart for misdemeanors.

So if the only known family member is jailed for a 30 day sentence, do we send the child to jail?  Or do we separate the child from the family?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Restored on June 19, 2018, 12:21:39 pm
So if the only known family member is jailed for a 30 day sentence, do we send the child to jail?  Or do we separate the child from the family?

I doubt you'll get an answer.
Even though it is a misdemeanor, you can't release them because they would be guilty of committing the same crime immediately after being released. If you get arrested for being drunk in public, they detain you until you are sober(legal). They detain these illegal aliens until they become legal. There is no point releasing them just to arrest them again.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: mountaineer on June 19, 2018, 12:48:40 pm
Don Surber: Laura Bush shows Democrats are desperate  (http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/06/laura-bush-shows-democrats-have-no.html?spref=tw)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 19, 2018, 01:28:39 pm
Don Surber: Laura Bush shows Democrats are desperate  (http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/06/laura-bush-shows-democrats-have-no.html?spref=tw)

The IG report came out, when, last Thursday?  Gotta shift the narrative.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 19, 2018, 02:30:38 pm
This is the nugget that pisses me off the most.
Exactly why is separating kids from parents at the border any different than separating kids from a parent sent off to prison?

Are you advocating we never send to prison any parent who breaks the law?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 19, 2018, 02:32:03 pm
Exactly why is separating kids from parents at the border any different than separating kids from a parent sent off to prison?

Are you advocating we never send to prison any parent who breaks the law?

You must be new here.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 19, 2018, 02:32:42 pm
You seem to believe every illegal is evil.  I do not.  I also don't think every border patriot is complicit in hate crimes against illegals.
By definition, to be illegal is evil.

Do you believe they are good?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 19, 2018, 02:33:31 pm
You must be new here.  :laugh:

You know he's not.  Can't answer the question?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 19, 2018, 02:34:25 pm
Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent.  We will see.
Singling out Trump and avoiding what others did is the height of bias.

Oh, and BTW, those people dragged their kids to cross the border.  No comment from you on that aspect either?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 19, 2018, 02:35:05 pm
You know he's not.  Can't answer the question?

Every post I have entered has answered this question.

Stop trying to stir up shit.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 19, 2018, 02:39:07 pm
Cry me a freaking river. Stupid, smelly illegal aliens need to be kicked out. Period. Enforce the law.
Welcome to TBR and I like your short, complete sentences. @madmaximus
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 19, 2018, 02:41:25 pm
Welcome to TBR and I like your short, complete sentences.

And what they say!!  @IsailedawayfromFR   @madmaximus
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 19, 2018, 02:42:01 pm
Every post I have entered has answered this question.

Stop trying to stir up shit.

LOL!  A regular comedian this morning, huh?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 19, 2018, 02:42:09 pm
Every post I have entered has answered this question.

Stop trying to stir up shit.
You continue to dig, and lack any credibility whatsoever.

So now all you do is to trash others.

Very pathetic.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: XenaLee on June 19, 2018, 02:47:53 pm
What a pathetic misrepresentation of the reality.

Do you use the same description of children with Child Services when the only known family is in jail?

Is bringing a child with you supposed to be an automatic get-out-of-jail free card?

Good point.  And we all know how the idiot left just loves to rip children away from parents in the name of "protecting the cheeldren" when it comes to government over parental rights.  We also know.... that if there was a Democrat in White House, these separations would be lauded and spun as just that.... humanitarian = protecting the children.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 19, 2018, 03:08:29 pm
Here you go ... I apologize for thinking you read posts. 

I do not support keeping the children and their adult sponsors here if they entered this country illegally.

Hopefully you're now both free to move on.

@IsailedawayfromFR
@Sanguine   




Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 19, 2018, 03:13:42 pm
Remember what?   :cool:

I dunno
 :cool:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 19, 2018, 03:33:56 pm
Here you go ... I apologize for thinking you read posts. 

I do not support keeping the children and their adult sponsors here if they entered this country illegally.

Hopefully you're now both free to move on.

@IsailedawayfromFR
@Sanguine

Move on?  From what?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 19, 2018, 05:15:36 pm
Exactly why is separating kids from parents at the border any different than separating kids from a parent sent off to prison?

Are you advocating we never send to prison any parent who breaks the law?

@IsailedawayfromFR and to follow that line of "thinking" from RiV I guess we should never send a military member with a family on a deployment from here on out because it separates children from their parents.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on June 19, 2018, 05:15:57 pm
@To-Whose-Benefit?

You are equating ME to that weasel and calling me a deuce (douche) bag?

@sneakypete

Hehehe. Absolutely not Pete.

I detest Springsteen and that's where it ends.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 19, 2018, 05:16:08 pm
Eight years Laura Bush was First Lady and not one word from her on this issue.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 05:18:22 pm
Hey have you got one of those where children that lost a parent to illegals or parents that lost a child to illegals get to talk about it?
That is your job.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 19, 2018, 05:25:36 pm
@IsailedawayfromFR and to follow that line of "thinking" from RiV I guess we should never send a military member with a family on a deployment from here on out because it separates children from their parents.
the left has developed a strategy of 'It's to help the children' to establish its new position of destroying this country to its ends.

From the killing of "innocent kids" like Police: 8th Grader Shot, Killed After Stealing Car http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car (http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car)

to saying not providing food stamps or health insurance to kids is 'killing kids" are "making them go to sleep hungry"

to the current separation of kids from their parents.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 19, 2018, 05:27:52 pm
That is your job.
@GtHawk Translation: It is a one way street as the agenda must be followed, at all costs.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 19, 2018, 05:28:19 pm
the left has developed a strategy of 'It's to help the children' to establish its new position of destroying this country to its ends.

From the killing of "innocent kids" like Police: 8th Grader Shot, Killed After Stealing Car http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car (http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car)

to saying not providing food stamps or health insurance to kids is 'killing kids" are "making them go to sleep hungry"

to the current separation of kids from their parents.

I wish they were this concerned about separating children from their parents while they were still in the womb.

But that's a topic for a different day.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on June 19, 2018, 05:28:58 pm
the left has developed a strategy of 'It's to help the children' to establish its new position of destroying this country to its ends.

From the killing of "innocent kids" like Police: 8th Grader Shot, Killed After Stealing Car http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car (http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car)

to saying not providing food stamps or health insurance to kids is 'killing kids" are "making them go to sleep hungry"

to the current separation of kids from their parents.


(https://pics.onsizzle.com/thank-you-comrade-obama-thepeoplescube-com-for-saving-the-children-from-2676468.png)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 19, 2018, 05:30:09 pm
the left has developed a strategy of 'It's to help the children' to establish its new position of destroying this country to its ends.

From the killing of "innocent kids" like Police: 8th Grader Shot, Killed After Stealing Car http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car (http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car)

to saying not providing food stamps or health insurance to kids is 'killing kids" are "making them go to sleep hungry"

to the current separation of kids from their parents.

It's only "for the children" when it benefits them.  Nary a word about this portion of the immigration law when Barry was destroying the country...even though he was doing far worse than anything they're claiming Trump has done.

It's only when a Republican is in office they suddenlt become concerned about "the children".
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GtHawk on June 19, 2018, 05:38:29 pm
That is your job.
Because you can't be bothered to to be honest? Now where is it I can always expect a one sided argument that uses propaganda to support itself?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 19, 2018, 06:08:51 pm

@txradioguy

Eight years She was too busy babysitting Boy Jorge when they were in the WH to have time to make any public statements.

Even then he was running around kissing men in public when she wasn't around.Bush was First Lady and not one word from her on this issue.

 

 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 06:19:52 pm
By definition, to be illegal is evil.

Do you believe they are good?
As good as any other child of God.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 06:20:55 pm
@GtHawk Translation: It is a one way street as the agenda must be followed, at all costs.
You're babbling like your leader.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 06:21:11 pm
As good as any other child of God.

In their own country.   We can't have everybody who wants to come here live here.   
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 06:22:05 pm
Because you can't be bothered to to be honest? Now where is it I can always expect a one sided argument that uses propaganda to support itself?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=116233 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=116233)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 19, 2018, 06:23:07 pm
As good as any other child of God.

@Once-Ler
Talk about babbel

God says we are all sinners.  So you're saying all these illegals are evil yes even the children.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 06:23:58 pm
In their own country.   We can't have everybody who wants to come here live here.
Why?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 06:25:07 pm
@Once-Ler
Talk about babbel

God says we are all sinners.  So you're saying all these illegals are evil yes even the children.

You're babbling too.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 19, 2018, 06:32:37 pm
You're babbling too.

@Once-Ler
Just admit, you don't think America should have borders and anyone who wants to should be able to come here and live off those of us who pay taxes.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 06:33:02 pm
Why?

You really have to ask?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 06:38:44 pm
@Once-Ler
Just admit, you don't think America should have borders and anyone who wants to should be able to come here and live off those of us who pay taxes.
no
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 06:39:20 pm
You really have to ask?
I didn't think you had a good answer.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 06:47:29 pm
https://politics.theonion.com/stephen-miller-furious-at-propublica-for-only-releasing-1826958853
Stephen Miller Furious At ProPublica For Only Releasing 7-Minute Recording Of Immigrant Children Sobbing
WASHINGTON—Claiming that the publication of such a brief, tantalizing bit of audio was a breach of their journalistic responsibility, a furious Stephen Miller told reporters Tuesday that he was outraged at ProPublica for only releasing seven minutes of immigrant children sobbing.

“It’s unacceptable that this so-called news organization saw fit to foist this total tease of a clip on the American public,” said Miller, who expressed frustration that the audio, in which 10 detained Central American children can be heard crying out for their parents, ended before reaching “the really good stuff.” “Sure, they’re wailing ‘Mami’ and ‘Papa’ so hard they can’t breathe, and I guess the part where that 6-year-old desperately rattles off her aunt’s phone number is kind of satisfying, but ultimately it only conveys a very small fraction of what we’re doing here. I’ve listened to this recording dozens and dozens of times in the past day, and it’s just simply nowhere near enough to scratch the itch. Shame on you, ProPublica.”

Miller added that the one silver lining was the likelihood that other outlets would soon broadcast hours of comprehensive, high-quality footage of immigrant children being tormented.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 19, 2018, 06:53:19 pm
Quote from: dfwgator on Today at 01:21:11 PM
In their own country.   We can't have everybody who wants to come here live here.


Why?

Because many have no intention of assimilating into an American culture.

Some are intent on conquering the country from within.

Some are illiterate - even in their own language.

Some have absolutely zero to offer an American culture and society by their living here.

Some have hostile intents.

Some intend to live off the wealth of everyone else.

Some just want to squat here and have a little fiefdom by themselves.

Some hate liberty.

Some hate Christians.

Some hate our form of Constitutional government.

Some are foreign agents and actors for the purpose of spying or disrupting.

Some are a public health threat.

Many will be a drain on the public and the country.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 07:00:22 pm

Some are intent on conquering the country from within.

Some are illiterate - even in their own language.

Some have absolutely zero to offer an American culture and society by their living here.

Some have hostile intents.

Some intend to live off the wealth of everyone else.

Some just want to squat here and have a little fiefdom by themselves.

Some hate liberty.

Some hate Christians.

Some hate our form of Constitutional government.

Some are foreign agents and actors for the purpose of spying or disrupting.

Some are a public health threat.

Many will be a drain on the public and the country.
@INVAR
Sounds like "some" Americans.  I appreciate the reply and I'll take it as an admission that "some" illegals are not these things.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 07:16:40 pm
I didn't think you had a good answer.
The answer is we cannot support everyone who wants to come here without raising taxes to ridiculous levels,  not to mention the further dilution of our culture with elements that are not compatible with our traditions.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 19, 2018, 07:27:48 pm
Sounds like "some" Americans.  I appreciate the reply and I'll take it as an admission that "some" illegals are not these things.

The difference is, we have enough problems with our own natural-born citizenry, we need not facilitate the invasion of third world squatters who will further the strain on our culture and economy seeing as we have open borders to a welfare state.

Which is suicide for a nation to be encouraging and making excuses for.

Does history teach us nothing anymore?  Are we really that stupid to assume the lessons of what happens when you let barbarians into your gates and pay for their livelihoods is not going to be visited upon us?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 07:30:10 pm
The answer is we cannot support everyone who wants to come here without raising taxes to ridiculous levels,  not to mention the further dilution of our culture with elements that are not compatible with our traditions.
Rising taxes are cause by increases in population?  Hard working Catholics are not compatible...you could be correct on that one.  Not a great answer but heartfelt I'm sure. 

I don't see the world you see.  I don't think taxes need to be raised because we import workers.  Latinos comprise 16-17% of our population it seems to me laughable that one could claim they dilute our culture.  I believe they enhance our culture, and they are very compatible with our traditions.  In fact since it is Tuesday I'm gonna go get a couple tacos.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 19, 2018, 07:31:09 pm
Are we really that stupid to assume the lessons of what happens when you let barbarians into your gates and pay for their livelihoods is not going to be visited upon us?

@INVAR unless you're of a certain age...sadly...the answer to your question is yes...we are that stupid.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 07:33:10 pm
The difference is, we have enough problems with our own natural-born citizenry, we need not facilitate the invasion of third world squatters who will further the strain on our culture and economy seeing as we have open borders to a welfare state.

Which is suicide for a nation to be encouraging and making excuses for.

Does history teach us nothing anymore?  Are we really that stupid to assume the lessons of what happens when you let barbarians into your gates and pay for their livelihoods is not going to be visited upon us?

American history is nearly 200 years of open borders.  The true problem is the welfare state not immigration.  Reducing immigration will not end American socialism.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 19, 2018, 07:34:57 pm
Rising taxes are cause by increases in population?  Hard working Catholics are not compatible...you could be correct on that one.  Not a great answer but heartfelt I'm sure. 

I don't see the world you see.  I don't think taxes need to be raised because we import workers.  Latinos comprise 16-17% of our population it seems to me laughable that one could claim they dilute our culture.  I believe they enhance our culture, and they are very compatible with our traditions.  In fact since it is Tuesday I'm gonna go get a couple tacos.

Good grief, Once-ler.  Look at San Francisco.  When you import a large population with a different culture, you get massive tax increases.  Heck, working people can't afford to live in SF now.  And, the numbers are very clear - immigrants cost us.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 07:36:04 pm
Rising taxes are cause by increases in population?  Hard working Catholics are not compatible...you could be correct on that one.  Not a great answer but heartfelt I'm sure. 

I don't see the world you see.  I don't think taxes need to be raised because we import workers.  Latinos comprise 16-17% of our population it seems to me laughable that one could claim they dilute our culture.  I believe they enhance our culture, and they are very compatible with our traditions.  In fact since it is Tuesday I'm gonna go get a couple tacos.

But many of the people coming here are NOT working, some are, granted, but most now come here for the freebies.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 07:37:02 pm
  The true problem is the welfare state not immigration. 

On this, we agree.  But you know that welfare isn't going away anytime soon.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 19, 2018, 07:37:40 pm
American history is nearly 200 years of open borders.  The true problem is the welfare state not immigration.  Reducing immigration will not end American socialism.

No, not true.  My family goes way back, and they had to enter legally.  Well, the ones that came from elsewhere.  The indigenous ones had their own issues.

But, you are correct about the welfare state.  Open borders and welfare state are incompatible.  Which is what we have.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 07:38:52 pm
American history is nearly 200 years of open borders.   

What???!?!?!??!   We didn't accept everyone that came through Ellis Island, we turned thousands away for various reasons, including being known anarchists or Communists.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Bigun on June 19, 2018, 07:39:19 pm
American history is nearly 200 years of open borders.  The true problem is the welfare state not immigration.  Reducing immigration will not end American socialism.

Can you name one other country on this planet that does not enforce it's borders?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 19, 2018, 07:40:15 pm
Rising taxes are cause by increases in population?  Hard working Catholics are not compatible...you could be correct on that one.  Not a great answer but heartfelt I'm sure. 

I don't see the world you see.  I don't think taxes need to be raised because we import workers.  Latinos comprise 16-17% of our population it seems to me laughable that one could claim they dilute our culture.  I believe they enhance our culture, and they are very compatible with our traditions.  In fact since it is Tuesday I'm gonna go get a couple tacos.

@Once-Ler
We're not importing workers.  We are failing to lock the door.  Regardless, illegal immigration costs American taxpayers $135 billion a year in govt benefits and includes everything from welfare, food stamps, to medical care.

If you don't think they are dilluting our country and culture then I invite you to visit my area.  Where entire towns have transitioned from small farming communities to areas where Spanish is the predominate language and all the business have signs in spanish.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 19, 2018, 07:41:27 pm
Can you name one other country on this planet that does not enforce it's borders?

@Bigun
Germany
France
Sweden

Its working out well for them, so well in fact they get rid of cars in the periodic burnings and let the unneeded woman be raped to death.   
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 19, 2018, 07:43:19 pm
American history is nearly 200 years of open borders. 

WRONG.

Start with the 1924 Immigration Act to discover how incorrect such an statement is.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 07:51:09 pm
WRONG.

Start with the 1924 Immigration Act to discover how incorrect such an statement is.

The Japanese were so upset by that, because they felt Japanese were singled out,  that it paved the way for the militarists to take over in Japan, and well, you know the rest of the story.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 19, 2018, 07:51:18 pm
WRONG.

Start with the 1924 Immigration Act to discover how incorrect such an statement is.

Thanks to Ted Kennedy we've had the longest period of uninterrupted immigration in this nations history.  50+ years.

We have never ever had open borders in America.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 08:05:12 pm
No, not true.  My family goes way back, and they had to enter legally. 

Disingenuous.  Your family entered legally because it wasn't illegal to enter. No law had been written to exclude them.  My great grandparents emigrated at the beginning of the 20th century.  They spoke no English, had no money, and no visa.  They gathered in a small but growing Polish community called Steven's Point WI to work on the railroads and lumber mills.  Much like the Chinese did 20 years earlier.  But Congress passed a law because people said the same racist crap they say about latinos.  They don't integrate, they spread disease, they're criminals...so the government excluded Chinese people.

The battle over illegal immigration began to get real traction with voters as Government became the provider for more and more American's substance and Americans became concerned that the gravy train was going to get smaller.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: truth_seeker on June 19, 2018, 08:05:36 pm

In Truth, the US and much of Europe are under invasion by poorly educated, poor people from Third World shitholes.

The particulars differ, from nation to nation.

The citizens of the richer target nations are NOT racist for opposing said invasions. To the contrary, their ill-conceived "white guilt" plus Judeo-Christian generosity are among the reasons it has gone this far.


TThese invaders generally cost the "host" nations a great deal, in welfare, increased crime,  and in cultural problems due to non-assimilation.

So spare us, the "alt-right," and "racism" bullshit.

The citizens of each nation are entirely reasonable to expect their governments to enforce borders and immigration laws.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 08:06:50 pm

TThese invaders generally cost the "host" nations a great deal, in welfare, increased crime,  and in cultural problems due to non-assimilation.

So spare us, the "alt-right," and "racism" bullshit.

The citizens of each nation are entirely reasonable to expect their governments to enforce borders and immigration laws.

Exactly, the days of "Ellis Island" are long over.   The Left has figured out our Achilles Heel, and it's our immigration system.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 08:13:32 pm
Disingenuous.  Your family entered legally because it wasn't illegal to enter. No law had been written to exclude them.   

Because at the time the country was still expanding, you know, that little thing called "Manifest Destiny"?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 08:14:07 pm
Can you name one other country on this planet that does not enforce it's borders?
I'm all for enforcing the (I'll use the Trump spelling so you know I'm on your side) boarders against criminals, and terrorists...not janitors and farm laborers.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 08:16:52 pm
@Once-Ler

Can we at least agree that having open borders and a welfare state is the height of insanity?

And seeing as how nobody is really interested in dismantling the welfare state, then the only other option would be to drastically reform our immigration system, to the point of dissuading most people from coming here in the first place?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 08:18:09 pm
I'm all for enforcing the (I'll use the Trump spelling so you know I'm on your side) boarders against criminals, and terrorists...not janitors and farm laborers.

Oh, so you can magically tell the difference between a terrorist and a janitor?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 19, 2018, 08:19:30 pm
Oh, so you can magically tell the difference between a terrorist and a janitor?

@dfwgator

Apparently illegals can only be janitors.  Now who is racist.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 08:21:35 pm
WRONG.

Start with the 1924 Immigration Act to discover how incorrect such an statement is.

OK so from 1776-1924 is 148 years.  Add to the fact that the 1924 Immigration Act essentially was to restrict Asians and it brings us to 1965 and the Hart-Cellar Act.  When immigration was restricted by skills and family already residing in the USA.

For nearly 200 years you didn't need to speak English or know our civic duties.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 08:24:44 pm
@Once-Ler

Can we at least agree that having open borders and a welfare state is the height of insanity?

And seeing as how nobody is really interested in dismantling the welfare state, then the only other option would be to drastically reform our immigration system, to the point of dissuading most people from coming here in the first place?

Or letting in people who want to work, so we can focus on the people who should be excluded.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 19, 2018, 08:26:43 pm
In Truth, the US and much of Europe are under invasion by poorly educated, poor people from Third World shitholes.

The particulars differ, from nation to nation.

The citizens of the richer target nations are NOT racist for opposing said invasions. To the contrary, their ill-conceived "white guilt" plus Judeo-Christian generosity are among the reasons it has gone this far.


TThese invaders generally cost the "host" nations a great deal, in welfare, increased crime,  and in cultural problems due to non-assimilation.

So spare us, the "alt-right," and "racism" bullshit.

The citizens of each nation are entirely reasonable to expect their governments to enforce borders and immigration laws.

THIS!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 08:29:44 pm
Or letting in people who want to work, so we can focus on the people who should be excluded.

We have enough people already.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on June 19, 2018, 08:30:36 pm


Levin Rips Laura Bush For Comments On Immigration: 'Shame On You'


http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/levin-rips-laura-bush/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/levin-rips-laura-bush/)

“It’s very simple if they really want to fix this issue of illegal aliens coming into this country with children,” Levin said.  “In some cases, it’s not their own children. In some cases, they have kidnapped the children. In some cases, they abuse the children. In some cases, the adults are criminals. In some cases, they have violated our immigration laws repeatedly and have been deported repeatedly.”

“It’s very simple,” he continues. “Secure the southern border. If an adult comes here with a child, put ‘em on a bus and send ‘em home! But no, suddenly the Democrats have an issue. We talked about this last week. I could smell it. I could see what they were doing. And the media, of course, are there to stoke the flames. The most outrageous statements were being made by so-called reporters and guests.”

He then puts former first lady Laura Bush in the crosshairs for her comparison of illegal immigrant detention centers and Japanese internment camps.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 08:35:21 pm
We have enough people already.
says you
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: mountaineer on June 19, 2018, 08:35:50 pm

Thomas Paine   @Thomas1774Paine
5h5 hours ago

We should all listen to #LauraBush on keeping families together. After all, it was her husband who helped reunite the Bin Laden kids with their parents by whisking them out of the United States after 9/11.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 08:36:41 pm
Thomas Paine   @Thomas1774Paine
5h5 hours ago

We should all listen to #LauraBush on keeping families together. After all, it was her husband who helped reunite the Bin Laden kids with their parents by whisking them out of the United States after 9/11.

BOOYAH!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 08:37:12 pm
says you

If we ditched Welfare for the able-bodied, we'd absolutely have enough.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 19, 2018, 08:39:06 pm
OK so from 1776-1924 is 148 years.  Add to the fact that the 1924 Immigration Act essentially was to restrict Asians and it brings us to 1965 and the Hart-Cellar Act.  When immigration was restricted by skills and family already residing in the USA.

For nearly 200 years you didn't need to speak English or know our civic duties.

But due to consequences of an open borders to a welfare state policy that continues to expand - we NEED to restrict any and all immigration to only those persons who can demonstrate a benefit to American culture and society and whom will BECOME assimilated INTO a distinct American culture - meaning language and civics understanding required before any benefits of citizenship are earned.  No welfare, period.  Unless you are a bona-fide U.S. citizen.  We need to go back to sponsorships and the demonstration that the immigrants can provide for themselves financially for at least two years - the same requirement many third world countries demand of anyone requesting a residency visa.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 19, 2018, 08:59:58 pm
Some of the people at TBR may not like what I am about to say, but here it goes....

I don't know where everyone lives who is on TBR, some put there locations, others do not.

What I have noticed is that the people who are the most ardent anti-illegal immigration people on this forum, as much as they put their locations out there, are from the southwest.
Like myself they come from, Texas, or New mexico, Arizona, and California.

There is a reason for that.

No, it is not racism, far from it.
From the time we are born, we are quite familiar with our neighbors, classmates, friends, co-workers and relatives (yes, in many cases) who's origins come from south of our border.
They are part of our lives, from day one.
Spain, then Mexico, controlled these territories before Texas, and then the USA did.
Heck, we would be be shocked if they were not here.

I find it funny now, but growing up, the people here legally with origins from south of the border would make fun of those here illegally, more so than any of us Anglos did.
They had a bit of a resentment, that they were from here, or came in the legal way, while these other did not.
These people still exist, and still don't believe in illegal immigration, but you will not see them on the evening news.
They do not fit the narrative.

No, we are adamantly opposed to it, as we see the damages done daily.
There are post here daily about one crime or another done be someone previously deported, who came back and harmed, or worse, killed someone.
We know that 15% of the Prison population in Texas is comprised of Illegals, as is 15% of our public schools, in our metro areas.
These are expenses paid by us, that needn't be, if we stop illegal immigration,Imagine 15% savings in these areas, by a United States massively in debt.

These aren't all poor asylum seekers looking for a better life.
Were any you aware that most of them have been coached on what to say when they arrive?
We here in the border states know this to be true.
As far as the farmer needing his crops picked?
Some still happens, but modern technology has made most of that a moot point.

No its not racism, or greed, or lack of compassion that drives us to be anti-illegal immigration.
It is seeing how it is destroying families, taken by a DWI or a senseless crime, committed by someone who is not allowed to be here in the first place.

Trust me, the poor illegal immigrant you see today isn't Jose and Maria, crossing the Rio Grande, looking to the new land of the Pharaohs for sanctuary.
I think we would all welcome them. Truly persecuted, why wouldn't we?
It is the schemers who call themselves dreamers who exploit this daily, trained on exactly how to act and what to say when they arrive, only to disappear into the woodwork long before their court date arrives.



Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: corbe on June 19, 2018, 09:14:05 pm
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 19, 2018, 09:15:00 pm
Some of the people at TBR may not like what I am about to say, but here it goes....

I don't know where everyone lives who is on TBR, some put there locations, others do not.

What I have noticed is that the people who are the most ardent anti-illegal immigration people on this forum, as much as they put their locations out there, are from the southwest.
Like myself they come from, Texas, or New mexico, Arizona, and California.

There is a reason for that.

No, it is not racism, far from it.
From the time we are born, we are quite familiar with our neighbors, classmates, friends, co-workers and relatives (yes, in many cases) who's origins come from south of our border.
They are part of our lives, from day one.
Spain, then Mexico, controlled these territories before Texas, and then the USA did.
Heck, we would be be shocked if they were not here.

I find it funny now, but growing up, the people here legally with origins from south of the border would make fun of those here illegally, more so than any of us Anglos did.
They had a bit of a resentment, that they were from here, or came in the legal way, while these other did not.
These people still exist, and still don't believe in illegal immigration, but you will not see them on the evening news.
They do not fit the narrative.

No, we are adamantly opposed to it, as we see the damages done daily.
There are post here daily about one crime or another done be someone previously deported, who came back and harmed, or worse, killed someone.
We know that 15% of the Prison population in Texas is comprised of Illegals, as is 15% of our public schools, in our metro areas.
These are expenses paid by us, that needn't be, if we stop illegal immigration,Imagine 15% savings in these areas, by a United States massively in debt.

These aren't all poor asylum seekers looking for a better life.
Were any you aware that most of them have been coached on what to say when they arrive?
We here in the border states know this to be true.
As far as the farmer needing his crops picked?
Some still happens, but modern technology has made most of that a moot point.

No its not racism, or greed, or lack of compassion that drives us to be anti-illegal immigration.
It is seeing how it is destroying families, taken by a DWI or a senseless crime, committed by someone who is not allowed to be here in the first place.

Trust me, the poor illegal immigrant you see today isn't Jose and Maria, crossing the Rio Grande, looking to the new land of the Pharaohs for sanctuary.
I think we would all welcome them. Truly persecuted, we wouldn't we?
It is the schemers who call themselves dreamers who exploit this daily, trained on exactly how to act and what to say when they, only to disappear into the woodwork long before their court date arrives.

Outstanding post that sums up things perfectly!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 19, 2018, 09:17:02 pm
Some of the people at TBR may not like what I am about to say, but here it goes....

I don't know where everyone lives who is on TBR, some put there locations, others do not.

What I have noticed is that the people who are the most ardent anti-illegal immigration people on this forum, as much as they put their locations out there, are from the southwest.
Like myself they come from, Texas, or New mexico, Arizona, and California.

There is a reason for that.

No, it is not racism, far from it.
From the time we are born, we are quite familiar with our neighbors, classmates, friends, co-workers and relatives (yes, in many cases) who's origins come from south of our border.
They are part of our lives, from day one.
Spain, then Mexico, controlled these territories before Texas, and then the USA did.
Heck, we would be be shocked if they were not here.

I find it funny now, but growing up, the people here legally with origins from south of the border would make fun of those here illegally, more so than any of us Anglos did.
They had a bit of a resentment, that they were from here, or came in the legal way, while these other did not.
These people still exist, and still don't believe in illegal immigration, but you will not see them on the evening news.
They do not fit the narrative.

No, we are adamantly opposed to it, as we see the damages done daily.
There are post here daily about one crime or another done be someone previously deported, who came back and harmed, or worse, killed someone.
We know that 15% of the Prison population in Texas is comprised of Illegals, as is 15% of our public schools, in our metro areas.
These are expenses paid by us, that needn't be, if we stop illegal immigration,Imagine 15% savings in these areas, by a United States massively in debt.

These aren't all poor asylum seekers looking for a better life.
Were any you aware that most of them have been coached on what to say when they arrive?
We here in the border states know this to be true.
As far as the farmer needing his crops picked?
Some still happens, but modern technology has made most of that a moot point.

No its not racism, or greed, or lack of compassion that drives us to be anti-illegal immigration.
It is seeing how it is destroying families, taken by a DWI or a senseless crime, committed by someone who is not allowed to be here in the first place.

Trust me, the poor illegal immigrant you see today isn't Jose and Maria, crossing the Rio Grande, looking to the new land of the Pharaohs for sanctuary.
I think we would all welcome them. Truly persecuted, we wouldn't we?
It is the schemers who call themselves dreamers who exploit this daily, trained on exactly how to act and what to say when they, only to disappear into the woodwork long before their court date arrives.

That is all true. 

And what else is true, is that our own government and the creatures in it are engaged in a pogrom to REPLACE the existing citizenry with the aforementioned - because they make better dependents and are less inclined to be self-sufficient.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 19, 2018, 09:22:41 pm
At the end of the day what's really sad is that Laura Bush and the open borders folks here in TBR don't give a crap if these kids are with actual family members or human smugglers/sex traffickers.

Because if they truly cared about "the children" they'd want the pervs and the skin peddlers separated from these kids to protect them.

See INS in part wanted the separation so they would be able to determine in an isolated area AWAY from the "relative" if it was really a relative or if it was someone who's kidnapped them from their real family.

But hey I guess the real health and welfare if these kids doesn't matter as long as you're projecting the right political optics in an election year.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 19, 2018, 09:23:57 pm
And the folks imposing Open Borders on the rest of us can hide behind their gated communities and spare themselves from the consequences.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 19, 2018, 09:26:17 pm
At the end of the day what's really sad is that Laura Bush and the open borders folks here in TBR don't give a crap if these kids are with actual family members or human smugglers/sex traffickers.

Because if they truly cares about "the children" they'd want the pervs and the skin peddlers separated from these kids to protect them.

See INS in part water the separation so they would be able to determine in an isolated area AWAY from the "relative" if it was really a relative or if it was someone who's kidnapped them from their real family.

But hey I guess the real health and welfare if these kids doesn't matter as long as you're projecting the right political optics 8n an election year.

Yes, sex trafficking is huge on the border, but this is conveniently overlooked.
Border Patrol Agents have said it seems awfully strange to walk up to one of these "parents" and ask the child's name and age, (you know, the basic stuff) only to be met with stammering and blank stares.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 19, 2018, 09:26:58 pm
And the folks imposing Open Borders on the rest of us can hide behind their gated communities and spare themselves from the consequences.

Indeed, or from states that have not been adversely affected yet.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Bigun on June 19, 2018, 09:28:16 pm
And the folks imposing Open Borders on the rest of us can hide behind their gated communities and spare themselves from the consequences.

For awhile perhaps.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 19, 2018, 09:28:37 pm
For awhile perhaps.

 :amen:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 09:30:57 pm
We know that 15% of the Prison population in Texas is comprised of Illegals, as is 15% of our public schools, in our metro areas.
These are expenses paid by us, that needn't be, if we stop illegal immigration,Imagine 15% savings in these areas, by a United States massively in debt.

You KNOW this, so tell me how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals please.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 19, 2018, 09:33:00 pm
You KNOW this, so tell me how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals please.

Tell me the percentage of illegals locked up in Wisconsin, please, and we'll talk.
FYI, they are not locked up for being here illegally.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 19, 2018, 09:35:08 pm
And the folks imposing Open Borders on the rest of us can hide behind their gated communities and spare themselves from the consequences.
I can't even
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 19, 2018, 09:41:50 pm
You KNOW this, so tell me how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals please.

From the Texas Department of Public Safety.
Please tell me what an acceptable level is, I am curious to know.

According to DHS status indicators, over 255,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and May 31, 2018, of which over 171,000 were classified as illegal aliens by DHS.

Between June 1, 2011 and May 31, 2018, these 171,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 265,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 495 homicide charges; 29,526 assault charges; 5,264 burglary charges; 33,637 drug charges; 350 kidnapping charges; 14,794 theft charges; 21,674 obstructing police charges; 1,537 robbery charges; 3,107 sexual assault charges; and 2,673 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 110,000 convictions including 219 homicide convictions; 12,244 assault convictions; 2,900 burglary convictions; 16,358 drug convictions; 144 kidnapping convictions; 6,642 theft convictions; 10,508 obstructing police convictions; 929 robbery convictions; 1,528 sexual assault convictions; and 1,167 weapon convictions.

I'd like to think zero, myself, one is too many, in my mind.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 19, 2018, 09:54:40 pm
Disingenuous.  Your family entered legally because it wasn't illegal to enter. No law had been written to exclude them.  My great grandparents emigrated at the beginning of the 20th century.  They spoke no English, had no money, and no visa.  They gathered in a small but growing Polish community called Steven's Point WI to work on the railroads and lumber mills.  Much like the Chinese did 20 years earlier.  But Congress passed a law because people said the same racist crap they say about latinos.  They don't integrate, they spread disease, they're criminals...so the government excluded Chinese people.

The battle over illegal immigration began to get real traction with voters as Government became the provider for more and more American's substance and Americans became concerned that the gravy train was going to get smaller.

Yes, my people has immigrated long before yours did, and they did come legally.  Which, by definition, means there were laws governing immigration.

And, you slid right over the second point, the one about immigrants costing us, and a welfare state and open borders being incompatible.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 19, 2018, 09:56:19 pm
@dfwgator

Apparently illegals can only be janitors.  Now who is racist.

Yep, we need them to clean our toilets and mow our lawns.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 19, 2018, 10:05:19 pm
From the Texas Department of Public Safety.
Please tell me what an acceptable level is, I am curious to know.

According to DHS status indicators, over 255,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and May 31, 2018, of which over 171,000 were classified as illegal aliens by DHS.

Between June 1, 2011 and May 31, 2018, these 171,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 265,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 495 homicide charges; 29,526 assault charges; 5,264 burglary charges; 33,637 drug charges; 350 kidnapping charges; 14,794 theft charges; 21,674 obstructing police charges; 1,537 robbery charges; 3,107 sexual assault charges; and 2,673 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 110,000 convictions including 219 homicide convictions; 12,244 assault convictions; 2,900 burglary convictions; 16,358 drug convictions; 144 kidnapping convictions; 6,642 theft convictions; 10,508 obstructing police convictions; 929 robbery convictions; 1,528 sexual assault convictions; and 1,167 weapon convictions.

I'd like to think zero, myself, one is too many, in my mind.

Just a note: of those 84,000 who are not classified as illegal aliens, most of them were "legalized" under relaxed 0bama administration rules and/or through chain migration. 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 20, 2018, 12:30:53 am
https://politics.theonion.com/stephen-miller-furious-at-propublica-for-only-releasing-1826958853
Quote
Stephen Miller Furious At ProPublica For Only Releasing 7-Minute Recording Of Immigrant Children Sobbing
 
“It’s unacceptable that this so-called news organization saw fit to foist this total tease of a clip on the American public,” said Miller, who expressed frustration that the audio, in which 10 detained Central American children can be heard crying out for their parents, ended before reaching “the really good stuff.” “Sure, they’re wailing ‘Mami’ and ‘Papa’ so hard they can’t breathe, and I guess the part where that 6-year-old desperately rattles off her aunt’s phone number is kind of satisfying, but ultimately it only conveys a very small fraction of what we’re doing here. I’ve listened to this recording dozens and dozens of times in the past day, and it’s just simply nowhere near enough to scratch the itch. Shame on you, ProPublica.”


 


@Once-Ler

Sounds to me like he considers it to be "Music to choke your chicken by",and didn't reach full satisfaction because they cut him off early.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 20, 2018, 12:33:20 am
Good grief, Once-ler.  Look at San Francisco.  When you import a large population with a different culture, you get massive tax increases.  Heck, working people can't afford to live in SF now.  And, the numbers are very clear - immigrants cost us.

@Sanguine

Yeah,but on a more positive note,all the leftist millionaires and billionaires have no trouble at all hiring domestic help cheap,and the pool is so deep they can afford to be both picky and cheap.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: skeeter on June 20, 2018, 12:39:33 am


 



@Once-Ler

Sounds to me like he considers it to be "Music to choke your chicken by",and didn't reach full satisfaction because they cut him off early.

The Onion for years had a great formula - everything they did was really hilarious stuff - but I guess it was just a matter of time before they went all SNL on us and delved into political partisanship.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 20, 2018, 01:11:23 am
At the end of the day what's really sad is that Laura Bush and the open borders folks here in TBR don't give a crap if these kids are with actual family members or human smugglers/sex traffickers.

Because if they truly cared about "the children" they'd want the pervs and the skin peddlers separated from these kids to protect them.

See INS in part wanted the separation so they would be able to determine in an isolated area AWAY from the "relative" if it was really a relative or if it was someone who's kidnapped them from their real family.

But hey I guess the real health and welfare if these kids doesn't matter as long as you're projecting the right political optics in an election year.

 :amen:  That is what was going on with Obama.  He was allowing the children to go with people who hadn't even been established as parents.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 20, 2018, 01:15:15 am
@Once-Ler
We're not importing workers.  We are failing to lock the door.  Regardless, illegal immigration costs American taxpayers $135 billion a year in govt benefits and includes everything from welfare, food stamps, to medical care.

If you don't think they are dilluting our country and culture then I invite you to visit my area.  Where entire towns have transitioned from small farming communities to areas where Spanish is the predominate language and all the business have signs in spanish.

Yep.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 20, 2018, 07:51:15 am
The Onion for years had a great formula - everything they did was really hilarious stuff - but I guess it was just a matter of time before they went all SNL on us and delved into political partisanship.
Yeah...you must be a big fan.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 20, 2018, 08:10:50 am
Tell me the percentage of illegals locked up in Wisconsin, please, and we'll talk.
FYI, they are not locked up for being here illegally.

You first genius with all the BS facts.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 20, 2018, 08:18:01 am
Yes, my people has immigrated long before yours did, and they did come legally.  Which, by definition, means there were laws governing immigration.

If your ancestors emigrated long before my great grand parents then there were no laws governing them and you failed to read my post.  I feel like I'm wasting my time here.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 20, 2018, 09:17:56 am
Right now, some of the refugee camps are probably a lot better than where these people are coming from, especially the ones on the road.

Consider also, how low the human traffickers are, there may be rape (rape trees, the scary terminology even the Washington Post has commented on: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/rape-trees-rosaries-and-english-only-why-the-supreme-court-wont-quell-the-immigration-debate/2012/04/25/gIQArUXPhT_blog.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/rape-trees-rosaries-and-english-only-why-the-supreme-court-wont-quell-the-immigration-debate/2012/04/25/gIQArUXPhT_blog.html) ), organized crime...... and who knows what else coming across the border.

Maybe some tough love is actually need or whatever is the proper term because I think we can tell, if one makes accommodations, more will come.

We have Americans to worry about first, this was said so as much during the Obama administration by people who have been hard hit in America.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/05/in-south-texas-ranchers-increasingly-fearful-of-immigration (https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/05/in-south-texas-ranchers-increasingly-fearful-of-immigration)

Illegal immigration incentivizes all kinds of suffering, drugs, criminals on the run and so on. It's enough of a problem to apprehend these people.

Within reason, we can take humane steps.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 20, 2018, 09:20:38 am
The point was made by someone else in one of the other threads, if people are so serious about revering life,  stand up for the pro-life movement as our wonderful president has done. If one has not clamored as much about this, one can wonder on one's sincerity.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 20, 2018, 09:24:27 am
Right now, some of the refugee camps are probably a lot better than where these people are coming from, especially the ones on the road.

Yes.  If I lived in Mexico I would send my children to America and guarantee they could be fed.  Why does anybody think this will slow down?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 20, 2018, 09:28:51 am
Yes.  If I lived in Mexico I would send my children to America and guarantee they could be fed.  Why does anybody think this will slow down?

And, organized crime benefits from human trafficking, strict border security could help prevent some of that along with interdiction of drug smuggling.  Yes, border security would slow it down.

I am not sure we are the only ones with such a border but we probably have the longest border of being an industrialized nation with a so-called Underdeveloped country.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 20, 2018, 09:38:54 am
Clearly, we can't stop drugs, all drugs from coming in..... but most people don't want us to just do nothing about it.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 20, 2018, 12:46:57 pm
If your ancestors emigrated long before my great grand parents then there were no laws governing them and you failed to read my post.  I feel like I'm wasting my time here.

@Once-Ler

We are talking about the here and now,dummy! Try to keep up.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 20, 2018, 12:52:45 pm
You first genius with all the BS facts.

I guess you didn't bother to read my next post, where I put the statistic from the Texas Department of Public Safety.

I used to think like you, just give these poor people a chance.
I thought, "We're in the land of plenty, surely the christian thing to do would be to help my poor brother in his time of need".
Once, this may have been true, but not anymore.
Sorry, it's just the way it is today.

Ask yourself, if these people are seeking asylum, why aren't they going through the legal ports of entry to do so?
These people aren't going across a bridge to Brownsville, Laredo, or El Paso, and asking the authorities to grant them asylum.

No they are clearly avoiding these place, and crossing where it is illegal to do so, hence the words "illegal entry"..

Then they get caught.
That is the first time these "refugees" even utter the word "asylum".
If they didn't get caught, you'd never hear it.

These are the people having "their kids" separated from them, not those that go to a legal port of entry and seek asylum.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this is by design, and well rehearsed the illegals.

You say I'm full of BS facts, then let's just put this as an open question to all the Briefers here who live in border states.

Am I right or am I wrong?

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 20, 2018, 01:03:17 pm
We're a nation of dunces.

We are trillions upon trillions in debt.  Our government is cancerously corrupt and borrowing with debt to pay debt to keep operations running.

We have open borders to a welfare state because that same government is intent on replacing the existing citizenry with third-world serfs and we are facilitating our own invasion by barbarians because we emote and no longer think.

Europe has already committed suicide and the fruits are self-evident every single day, while we are right behind them doubling down on stupidity.

It's a national security crisis.  Trump should close the border, and end all immigration until a new system can be put in place.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 20, 2018, 01:04:27 pm
We're a nation of dunces.

We are trillions upon trillions in debt.  Our government is cancerously corrupt and borrowing with debt to pay debt to keep operations running.

We have open borders to a welfare state because that same government is intent on replacing the existing citizenry with third-world serfs and we are facilitating our own invasion by barbarians because we emote and no longer think.

Europe has already committed suicide and the fruits are self-evident every single day, while we are right behind them doubling down on stupidity.

It's a national security crisis.  Trump should close the border, and end all immigration until a new system can be put in place.

This the only prudent, and, frankly, fair thing to do.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 20, 2018, 01:12:55 pm
Quote
It's a national security crisis.

This is something that needs to be repeated too.

If you had an illegal from Guatemala and a Daesh terrorist from Afghanistan rounded up in the same raid and they're all wearing the same clothing...there is absolutely no way to tell them apart.  The terrorists are using our porous Southers border to infiltrate the country.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on June 20, 2018, 01:16:26 pm
We're a nation of dunces.

We are trillions upon trillions in debt.  Our government is cancerously corrupt and borrowing with debt to pay debt to keep operations running.

We have open borders to a welfare state because that same government is intent on replacing the existing citizenry with third-world serfs and we are facilitating our own invasion by barbarians because we emote and no longer think.

Europe has already committed suicide and the fruits are self-evident every single day, while we are right behind them doubling down on stupidity.

It's a national security crisis.  Trump should close the border, and end all immigration until a new system can be put in place.

Well put.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 20, 2018, 01:20:32 pm
This is something that needs to be repeated too.

If you had an illegal from Guatemala and a Daesh terrorist from Afghanistan rounded up in the same raid and they're all wearing the same clothing...there is absolutely no way to tell them apart.  The terrorists are using our porous Southers border to infiltrate the country.

Exactly.  I was waiting on our resident Leftist to get bent out of shape for suggesting that this is a national security crisis.  But you already hit him with that salient fact that justifies such a declaration.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 20, 2018, 01:21:59 pm
This is something that needs to be repeated too.

If you had an illegal from Guatemala and a Daesh terrorist from Afghanistan rounded up in the same raid and they're all wearing the same clothing...there is absolutely no way to tell them apart.  The terrorists are using our porous Southers border to infiltrate the country.

This kind of thing happens more than people realize.

Here's a link to the latest incident:

www.breitbart.com/.../05/17/pakistani-man-caught-texas-border-lied-fbi (http://www.breitbart.com/.../05/17/pakistani-man-caught-texas-border-lied-fbi)

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 20, 2018, 01:28:48 pm
This kind of thing happens more than people realize.

Here's a link to the latest incident:

www.breitbart.com/.../05/17/pakistani-man-caught-texas-border-lied-fbi (http://www.breitbart.com/.../05/17/pakistani-man-caught-texas-border-lied-fbi)

Add to that the fact that we already know...that Daesh is not above using children...including special needs kids as unwitting suicide bombers...and the separation policy makes sense.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 20, 2018, 01:29:03 pm
If your ancestors emigrated long before my great grand parents then there were no laws governing them and you failed to read my post.  I feel like I'm wasting my time here.

Interesting.  You only respond to 1/2 of my post and then complain that you're wasting your time.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 20, 2018, 02:23:19 pm
Yes.  If I lived in Mexico I would send my children to America and guarantee they could be fed.  Why does anybody think this will slow down?
So you would encourage your children to become criminals.

Great role model you provide.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 20, 2018, 02:28:46 pm
If your ancestors emigrated long before my great grand parents then there were no laws governing them and you failed to read my post.  I feel like I'm wasting my time here.

You are.  Perhaps you would be better off at democraticunderground.com.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on June 20, 2018, 02:54:02 pm


It's a national security crisis.  Trump should close the border, and end all immigration until a new system can be put in place.

Legally, he can't -- it would be tossed out by a judge immediately. 

The truth is that he's basically the only reason we don't have effectively open borders right now.  So like him or not, he's the only horse left to be backed on immigration.  We have to try to communicate with waffling Congressional Republicans, and try to get them to hold firm.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GtHawk on June 20, 2018, 05:38:37 pm
So you would encourage your children to become criminals.

Great role model you provide.
These people are criminals when they come in and remain criminals all the time they are here. This attitude of some that the only law they broke was crossing our border without permission is just asinine. Go into any welfare office in California and see who sits in the majority of seats. The illegals come here and the majority of them leach off American taxpayers, they pop out anchor after anchor because then they can get more money every month. They are schooled by democrats before they even get here on how to work the system and then are walked through it by our government employees, we feed them, clothe them, house them, and give them medical all for free and all at higher levels than we give our own American citizens. I don't know how many times some liberal fool has told me, usually when I make a complaint about an illegal running an illegal unregulated business putting Americans at risk, that they are just trying to make an honest living. How is it making an honest living violating multiple laws? they work under the table and pay no taxes, they file false tax returns and receive cash from those returns far in excess of what an honest American receives.

They have taken over the fast food industry, and to an extent I don't blame them for that because it's the American teens parents and peers that vilified those entry level positions, but now even if a teen wants to work those jobs they are made to feel so uncomfortable, outsiders, because they don't speak the language of those around them only the the language of their country.

Every industry which employed unskilled or semi skilled employees has been affected by illegal immigration, and not just because of the liberals straw man of low wages. The construction industry has been hard hit in the same manner that started with fast food, and I do know this for a fact because I worked for many years in both, so unless you have the same experience please don't tell me how I'm wrong. My Son in Law runs large construction projects for a major Contractor here in California and sees the same damn thing.

Immigration is not only good for America, it is important, BUT uncontrolled immigration through uncontrolled borders is very very bad for America. And just because every Tom, Dick or Harry from south of our border believes they have the right to enter America any time they want and tap into the wallets of American taxpayers doesn't make it so!

I have told the story before, my parents had to wait for years in war torn Hungary, decimated by the Germans, Americans and even more so by the Russians to come to America. Even then my Dad kept his sense of humor, when the immigration judge asked him why he wanted to go to America he replied " Well Sir, every time I have been on the losing side, for once I want to be on the winning side", the judge smiled and approved my parents. My parents were required to have a financially responsible sponsor before they could immigrate, once here they were required to sign a contract that they would neither seek or accept any government aid. After five years they were American Citizens, read and spoke English the language of their new home, after ten they owned their home outright, they had four children whose births they paid for, not the taxpayer.

Here is the difference with the majority of the illegals coming here, they don't come to be Americans, they continue to give their allegiance to their  country of birth as do their children. They from day one are reliant on the taxpayer to support them and their families and continue to milk the taxpayer. They do not want to assimilate, and they are not alone in this, it what the democrats want, the Mexicans and Central Americans don't have to assimilate, we bend over backwards to have everything in their language. The Somalians, Haitians, whatever refuse to assimilate they demand that we become subordinate to their cultures.

Having people of a like background and culture living together is nothing new, German towns, China Towns, Little Italy's and others have always been, the difference is that in the past those people took pride in their culture but wanted very much to be Americans and assimilate and more so for their children to grow up as Americans. Today with the Hispanics and Muslims? NO!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 20, 2018, 05:44:35 pm
These people are criminals when they come in and remain criminals all the time they are here. This attitude of some that the only law they broke was crossing our border without permission is just asinine. Go into any welfare office in California and see who sits in the majority of seats. The illegals come here and the majority of them leach off American taxpayers, they pop out anchor after anchor because then they can get more money every month. They are schooled by democrats before they even get here on how to work the system and then are walked through it by our government employees, we feed them, clothe them, house them, and give them medical all for free and all at higher levels than we give our own American citizens. I don't know how many times some liberal fool has told me, usually when I make a complaint about an illegal running an illegal unregulated business putting Americans at risk, that they are just trying to make an honest living. How is it making an honest living violating multiple laws? they work under the table and pay no taxes, they file false tax returns and receive cash from those returns far in excess of what an honest American receives.

They have taken over the fast food industry, and to an extent I don't blame them for that because it's the American teens parents and peers that vilified those entry level positions, but now even if a teen wants to work those jobs they are made to feel so uncomfortable, outsiders, because they don't speak the language of those around them only the the language of their country.

Every industry which employed unskilled or semi skilled employees has been affected by illegal immigration, and not just because of the liberals straw man of low wages. The construction industry has been hard hit in the same manner that started with fast food, and I do know this for a fact because I worked for many years in both, so unless you have the same experience please don't tell me how I'm wrong. My Son in Law runs large construction projects for a major Contractor here in California and sees the same damn thing.

Immigration is not only good for America, it is important, BUT uncontrolled immigration through uncontrolled borders is very very bad for America. And just because every Tom, Dick or Harry from south of our border believes they have the right to enter America any time they want and tap into the wallets of American taxpayers doesn't make it so!

I have told the story before, my parents had to wait for years in war torn Hungary, decimated by the Germans, Americans and even more so by the Russians to come to America. Even then my Dad kept his sense of humor, when the immigration judge asked him why he wanted to go to America he replied " Well Sir, every time I have been on the losing side, for once I want to be on the winning side", the judge smiled and approved my parents. My parents were required to have a financially responsible sponsor before they could immigrate, once here they were required to sign a contract that they would neither seek or accept any government aid. After five years they were American Citizens, read and spoke English the language of their new home, after ten they owned their home outright, they had four children whose births they paid for, not the taxpayer.

Here is the difference with the majority of the illegals coming here, they don't come to be Americans, they continue to give their allegiance to their  country of birth as do their children. They from day one are reliant on the taxpayer to support them and their families and continue to milk the taxpayer. They do not want to assimilate, and they are not alone in this, it what the democrats want, the Mexicans and Central Americans don't have to assimilate, we bend over backwards to have everything in their language. The Somalians, Haitians, whatever refuse to assimilate they demand that we become subordinate to their cultures.

Having people of a like background and culture living together is nothing new, German towns, China Towns, Little Italy's and others have always been, the difference is that in the past those people took pride in their culture but wanted very much to be Americans and assimilate and more so for their children to grow up as Americans. Today with the Hispanics and Muslims? NO!


The difference between the experience and requirements your parents had versus what we are dealing with today started with the Immigration Act of 1965 authored by Ted Kennedy.

In addition to shifting the focus of immigration from Europe to Latin America...tt set us on the path of 53 years of uninterrupted immigration not from countries with people who are educated and have a desire to be productive like what we were previously getting for the most part from Europe...but from poor central and south American countries with unskilled and poorly educated people who were more likely to get on welfare than on someone's payroll.

Today English isn't even required to take the oath of citizenship...they will administer it to you in your native tongue and the part about defending your new country is optional thanks to Obama.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 20, 2018, 06:11:06 pm
I guess you didn't bother to read my next post, where I put the statistic from the Texas Department of Public Safety.

It didn't answer my question "how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals?"
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 20, 2018, 06:19:52 pm
Interesting.  You only respond to 1/2 of my post and then complain that you're wasting your time.   :shrug:
@Sanguine
Perhaps we are both wasting our time. :beer:
I don't think imported workers cost tax payers, and I agree open borders and welfare state are incompatible.  I hope that is the response you've been waiting for.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 20, 2018, 06:25:06 pm
@Sanguine
Perhaps we are both wasting our time. :beer:
I don't think imported workers cost tax payers, and I agree open borders and welfare state are incompatible.  I hope that is the response you've been waiting for.

Well, the welfare state isn't going away anytime soon.  Pukes and Rats both will see to that.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 20, 2018, 06:27:17 pm
It didn't answer my question "how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals?"

A moot point, as none of the workforce is supposed to be illegal.
An online search found PEW research saying 5.1 percent as of 2012, or 8.1 million
Odd that they would know that, since they are illegal.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 20, 2018, 06:46:16 pm
@Sanguine
Perhaps we are both wasting our time. :beer:
I don't think imported workers cost tax payers, and I agree open borders and welfare state are incompatible.  I hope that is the response you've been waiting for.

Sort of.  If we were talking about imported, and by implication, needed workers, then yes, we agree.  ^-^
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GtHawk on June 20, 2018, 07:27:00 pm
Sort of.  If we were talking about imported, and by implication, needed workers, then yes, we agree.  ^-^
The problem is under the current rules, even imported workers, let's just be honest and call them legal, very often to say the least are a welfare burden, having children they can't afford paid for by the state and receiving 'aid' to house, feed and provide medical treatment.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 20, 2018, 08:26:15 pm
The problem is under the current rules, even imported workers, let's just be honest and call them legal, very often to say the least are a welfare burden, having children they can't afford paid for by the state and receiving 'aid' to house, feed and provide medical treatment.

Oh, I know.  It was a very narrowly-defined point of agreement.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: driftdiver on June 20, 2018, 08:34:43 pm
Well, the welfare state isn't going away anytime soon.  Pukes and Rats both will see to that.

@dfwgator
America's unfunded liabilities would beg to differ with your statement that welfare won't go away.  One way or another it will go away eventually.

$87 Trillion in unfunded liabilities with social security, medicade, and other govt entitlement programs.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 20, 2018, 08:40:37 pm

$87 Trillion in unfunded liabilities with social security, medicade, and other govt entitlement programs.

It only 'goes away' when the entire economic system collapses under the weight - Coward-Piven by another means.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 20, 2018, 08:41:21 pm
@dfwgator
America's unfunded liabilities would beg to differ with your statement that welfare won't go away.  One way or another it will go away eventually.

$87 Trillion in unfunded liabilities with social security, medicade, and other govt entitlement programs.

Senate (Repuke-Lickin Senate) rejects Trump plan to claw back spending

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 20, 2018, 09:00:44 pm
Senate (Repuke-Lickin Senate) rejects Trump plan to claw back spending

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending)

Shouldn't have signed the damned thing.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 20, 2018, 09:11:00 pm
Senate (Repuke-Lickin Senate) rejects Trump plan to claw back spending

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending)

When I was a republican I would have argued that 48 GOP Senators voted to cut spending.  Now I recognize that it's a ploy where the republicans point at the rats and the rats point at the GOP and nothing gets fixed.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 20, 2018, 09:15:55 pm
When I was a republican I would have argued that 48 GOP Senators voted to cut spending.  Now I recognize that it's a ploy where the republicans point at the rats and the rats point at the GOP and nothing gets fixed.

Yep.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 20, 2018, 09:24:54 pm
Ok Laura, you happy now?

Now STFU!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 20, 2018, 09:33:06 pm
Crocodile Tears,

Schumer rejected the deal... it's all false compassion because these people are not consistent on the issues, where are these great displays of compassion for domestic matters?

And as they said, Obama did the same thing, this is just political football and political theater.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Crocodile_tears_for_Syria.png/800px-Crocodile_tears_for_Syria.png)

If neither is getting things done, that's on your back, I know our president is.

Who needs the faux compassion.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 20, 2018, 09:41:21 pm
Ok Laura, you happy now?

Now STFU!

https://twitter.com/laurawbush

She has not tweeted since.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 20, 2018, 10:16:52 pm
Interesting.  You only respond to 1/2 of my post and then complain that you're wasting your time.   :shrug:

We should all answer @Sanguine fully since 80-90% of the time, that just means answering a sentence.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 20, 2018, 10:35:20 pm
Crocodile Tears,

<snip>

If neither is getting things done, that's on your back, I know our president is.

Who needs the faux compassion.
@TomSea
I applaud the President for recognizing his policy was unpopular, swallowing his pride, and reversing course.  I think it shows him to be a stronger leader and smarter than I thought.  People make mistakes.  Smart people recognize their mistakes.  Wise people correct them and learn from them.  Hopefully President Trump's base recognizes this was a lost battle and the reversal was the best course of action.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 21, 2018, 02:11:18 am
We should all answer @Sanguine fully since 80-90% of the time, that just means answering a sentence.

True.  I like getting to the point.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Emjay on June 21, 2018, 05:21:34 am
True.  I like getting to the point.

If we're still talking about the children, I saw that border agent that some CNN babe was gonna lead to the slaughter and he was so down to earth and honest.  But he did point out the horror that these parents put their children through.  Omigosh.  They give the girls birth control pills because they fully expect them to be raped along the way.  These 'parents' also know that the kids may not make the arduous journey.

The parents are the villains in this piece.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 05:45:22 am
The parents are the villains in this piece.
As usual.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df1SSJpUYAAyYB9.jpg)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 21, 2018, 05:55:31 am
It didn't answer my question "how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals?"

You know that you can look that information up yourself don't you?

https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs (https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 06:07:22 am
You know that you can look that information up yourself don't you?

https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs (https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs)

Thank you for the link.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 21, 2018, 06:34:33 am
Thank you for the link.

I hope that it helps you see the real and problematic issue of illegal immigration.  Many people just don't see the issue because it doesn't affect them.  In some cases with businesses and corporations they benefit.  All those people do work, and therefore are taking American jobs and driving down our wages.  Not only that but they know how to work the system and we end up paying to support their families.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 07:46:24 am
I hope that it helps you see the real and problematic issue of illegal immigration.  Many people just don't see the issue because it doesn't affect them.  In some cases with businesses and corporations they benefit.  All those people do work, and therefore are taking American jobs and driving down our wages.  Not only that but they know how to work the system and we end up paying to support their families.

The link reinforces my own opinion which is I have nothing to fear from foreign workers, they are not suppressing my wages.  I'm glad so many are working, and I would submit these workers pay for their children's education by renting or paying property tax on a home.  I'm sorry we don't agree. 

I don't think a wall is going to get built.  I think Trump's zero tolerance policy will eventually collapse under the weight of the huge increase in resources needed to incarcerate everybody.

America lost its mind over 2000 separated children.  There are millions of illegals and we know Trump blinks when the people get loud.  I'm fine with the de facto amnesty of nothing getting changed.

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 21, 2018, 08:45:48 am
The link reinforces my own opinion which is I have nothing to fear from foreign workers, they are not suppressing my wages.  I'm glad so many are working, and I would submit these workers pay for their children's education by renting or paying property tax on a home.  I'm sorry we don't agree. 

I don't think a wall is going to get built.  I think Trump's zero tolerance policy will eventually collapse under the weight of the huge increase in resources needed to incarcerate everybody.

America lost its mind over 2000 separated children.  There are millions of illegals and we know Trump blinks when the people get loud.  I'm fine with the de facto amnesty of nothing getting changed.

Does it bother you any if illegal aliens frequently kill Americans? Perhaps, they should hire people like you who have so much compassion to go tell the families who have lost loved ones over this. Minnesota,

Michelle Malkin:


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Illegal alien van driver arrested in Minnesota schoolbus tragedy

(http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-Graphics/CottonwoodMinnBusCrashVictims4kids.jpg)

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/21/illegal-alien-bus-driver-arrested-in-minnesota-school-tragedy/ (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/21/illegal-alien-bus-driver-arrested-in-minnesota-school-tragedy/)

Must make you feel really big.

By the way, I think it is germane to the conversation that your hospitality and compassion does not extend to the most innocent among us, those in the womb, you post articles that show you are just out to get Trump and just like some other Trump haters, brought up some planned parenthood funding that was passed by the Republican controlled Senate and wanted to blame Trump, so you expected him to shut down the government even though Wisconsin Representative Paul Ryan's house passed a bill defunding Planned Parenthood which Trump said he'd signed but the Senate can't fix a flat tire. So, your outrage is really just phony at best.

We have the most pro-life president, but you seem to, as indicated by your signature, just trying to find something to do with racism.

And granting amnesty is going to cost billions and billions, these people will get their accommodations and that will cost millions as well; and in the end, perhaps just sent back home.

Your way as with others soft on the borders, means organized crime flourishes, you don't put up a nobel defense at all but rather disingenuous arguments.

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    The sad legacy of the Obama border orphans
    The Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com (http://www.washingtontimes.com)

    ...

    Sober-minded patriots who believe America has borders and want to end the rapes, human trafficking and slavery caused by illegal immigration across the U.S.-Mexico line have been doing an awful lot of explaining this week.

    ....

    It should also be noted that the media coverage of the border orphans is the most dishonest, unhinged, detestable conspiracy they have ever undertaken.

    Finally, these dishonest goons have found their Russian gulags to pin on President Trump.


    Read more at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/20/sad-legacy-obama-border-orphans/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/20/sad-legacy-obama-border-orphans/)

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321159.msg1718729.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321159.msg1718729.html#new)

From the editorials since apparently,  it seems some are selective with their information.

Does it bother people with a conscience that that Asian gal was probably adopted by loving parents, came from China or wherever to be killed by someone with no right in this country.

Yeah, tell me about compassion.

@Once-Ler


Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 21, 2018, 09:45:45 am
In fact, just 2 days ago in Texas, there was that car crash that killed? 4 or 5 illegal alien types, so someone doesn't even have to search these stories out, I think they were in a car chase from law enforcement, those stories are so common, I didn't read about it in full,  3 weeks ago, that truck was found near that Walmart in San Antonio that had people in it in inhumane conditions. All this compassion does is just help out the most unscrupulous criminals smuggle people, criminals that would smuggle people in trucks often with little air to breathe. To those people, we must appear like the dumbest people on earth and the trafficking industry surely has billions in profits made yearly. That is what is inhumane.

If one wants to solve that problem, one would really have to overhaul the immigration system drastically.  The libertarians, as in libertarian party, were for open borders until terrorism showed up, so now, they want some checks on it.

Opiates and other drugs are coming through our borders and waterways, more costs and more human suffering.

At least, we have some who are trying to effectively tackle this problem.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 21, 2018, 11:50:40 am
In fact, just 2 days ago in Texas, there was that car crash that killed? 4 or 5 illegal alien types, so someone doesn't even have to search these stories out, I think they were in a car chase from law enforcement, those stories are so common, I didn't read about it in full,  3 weeks ago, that truck was found near that Walmart in San Antonio that had people in it in inhumane conditions. All this compassion does is just help out the most unscrupulous criminals smuggle people, criminals that would smuggle people in trucks often with little air to breathe. To those people, we must appear like the dumbest people on earth and the trafficking industry surely has billions in profits made yearly. That is what is inhumane.

If one wants to solve that problem, one would really have to overhaul the immigration system drastically.  The libertarians, as in libertarian party, were for open borders until terrorism showed up, so now, they want some checks on it.

Opiates and other drugs are coming through our borders and waterways, more costs and more human suffering.

At least, we have some who are trying to effectively tackle this problem.
The crash that killed 5 was caused by an SUV smuggling, so it was not the illegals' fault.
The Latest: SUV in fatal Texas crash suspected of smuggling
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321068.msg1717623.html#msg1717623 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321068.msg1717623.html#msg1717623)

And not to worry, @Once-Ler says he would certainly send his kids to the US to become criminals.
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Yes.  If I lived in Mexico I would send my children to America and guarantee they could be fed. 
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,320753.msg1717575.html#msg1717575 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,320753.msg1717575.html#msg1717575)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: aligncare on June 21, 2018, 01:37:29 pm
(https://image.ibb.co/hPgmcy/PRESIDENTS_THREE_AMIGOES.jpg)

CBO numbers just in. Clinton Bush Obama report transformation of America on track till sidelined by the TRUMP train.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 21, 2018, 03:27:20 pm
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The link reinforces my own opinion which is I have nothing to fear from foreign workers, they are not suppressing my wages.


Cool! We all know the world revolves around you,and what is good for you personally. This is a real load off my mind!

Quote
I'm glad so many are working, and I would submit these workers pay for their children's education by renting or paying property tax on a home.  I'm sorry we don't agree. 

Ok,so you are a professional fool,it's not just a hobby. Thank you for clearing this up.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 06:08:44 pm
Does it bother you any if illegal aliens frequently kill Americans?

Not any more so than when an American kills an American, or a human kills another human.

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Perhaps, they should hire people like you who have so much compassion to go tell the families who have lost loved ones over this. Minnesota,

I reject the silly notion that being killed by an illegal is somehow more horrendous than being killed in Chicago by an American hood.

Now this the part where you start babbling about how they're ILLEGAL...as if that term somehow changes the immigrant of today from the immigrants of the past.

And this is the part where I say "do something about it if you don't like it", but if your big issue is crime I suggest you stop focusing your efforts on excluding janitors, crop pickers, and other workers from the US because that is the vast majority of illegals

Quote
Must make you feel really big.

I feel sorry for you and the pathetic nature of that statement.  You clearly feel very small.  I think many Trump fans feel that way about themselves.

Quote
By the way, I think it is germane to the conversation that your hospitality and compassion does not extend to the most innocent among us, those in the womb, you post articles that show you are just out to get Trump and just like some other Trump haters, brought up some planned parenthood funding that was passed by the Republican controlled Senate and wanted to blame Trump, so you expected him to shut down the government even though Wisconsin Representative Paul Ryan's house passed a bill defunding Planned Parenthood which Trump said he'd signed but the Senate can't fix a flat tire. So, your outrage is really just phony at best.

We have the most pro-life president, but you seem to, as indicated by your signature, just trying to find something to do with racism. 

Stay on topic please.  + really crappy psychoanalysis.

Quote
And granting amnesty is going to cost billions and billions, these people will get their accommodations and that will cost millions as well; and in the end, perhaps just sent back home.

Hog wash.  They are already here.  Arresting, prosecuting and deporting them will cost more than illegals self identifying for amnesty...See DACA.

There is not much left of your argument so have a nice day @TomSea .
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 06:12:40 pm
And not to worry, @Once-Ler says he would certainly send his kids to the US to become criminals.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Not to become criminals...try looking at it again and see where your read comprehension failed.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 21, 2018, 08:32:07 pm
@IsailedawayfromFR
Not to become criminals...try looking at it again and see where your read comprehension failed.  Good luck.
A criminal disobeys laws. You said you would send your kids to the US if you lived in Mexico.

You are the problem - supporting those who disobey our laws.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 08:35:32 pm
A criminal disobeys laws. You said you would send your kids to the US if you lived in Mexico.

You are the problem - supporting those who disobey our laws.
That's what they said about Frederick Douglass.  The law is wrong. 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 21, 2018, 08:43:21 pm
That's what they said about Frederick Douglass.  The law is wrong.

What part of the law is wrong?  The part that if the adult can't reasonably show that they are the parent, then the child is not allowed to go with them?  Or, the part that if the parent is being taken to jail, the child cannot accompany them?  Or, something else entirely?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 09:34:25 pm
What part of the law is wrong?  The part that if the adult can't reasonably show that they are the parent, then the child is not allowed to go with them?  Or, the part that if the parent is being taken to jail, the child cannot accompany them?  Or, something else entirely?

The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 21, 2018, 09:42:21 pm
The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part.

@Once-Ler

So,in your alleged mind,there should be no legal penalties for invading our nation?

Or is it that you are one of those "We iz de wurld.......,we iz de chil-runs...." peep-puls?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 21, 2018, 09:56:44 pm
The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part.

That's not a part of this law.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on June 21, 2018, 09:59:52 pm


Cool! We all know the world revolves around you,and what is good for you personally. This is a real load off my mind!

Ok,so you are a professional fool,it's not just a hobby. Thank you for clearing this up.

Reminds me of another me, me, me type here who got all pushed out of shape because Now they'd have to pay more for a "Streaming Player" imported from China when Trump first went after those crooks in that TPP hosing we've been getting.

You know, "I have a Right to spend my (and everyone else's) money anywhere I want", so screw the rest of America's money and interests.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Bigun on June 21, 2018, 10:06:21 pm
The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part.

Why should those who sneak in illegally be given preferences that those who are coming legally don't get?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 10:30:44 pm
That's not a part of this law.
I might be unable to reply to your post as I don't understand the question.
A criminal disobeys laws. You said you would send your kids to the US if you lived in Mexico.

You are the problem - supporting those who disobey our laws.
That's what they said about Frederick Douglass.  The law is wrong. 
What part of the law is wrong?  The part that if the adult can't reasonably show that they are the parent, then the child is not allowed to go with them?  Or, the part that if the parent is being taken to jail, the child cannot accompany them?  Or, something else entirely?
The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part.
That's not a part of this law.

Come again?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 21, 2018, 10:33:28 pm
I might be unable to reply to your post as I don't understand the question.
Come again?

I don't believe you to be dense, so  *****rollingeyes*****

"The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part" is not a part of the law. 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 10:34:11 pm
Why should those who sneak in illegally be given preferences that those who are coming legally don't get?
THEY FIGHT!!! /sarc

I'd submit that the illegals sneaking in would not allowed to legally enter, so why wouldn't they sneak in?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Bigun on June 21, 2018, 10:36:11 pm
THEY FIGHT!!! /sarc

I'd submit that the illegals sneaking in would not allowed to legally enter, so why wouldn't they sneak in?

So why wouldn't we do everything we can to prevent them from doing that?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 10:36:33 pm
I don't believe you to be dense, so  *****rollingeyes*****

"The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part" is not a part of the law.

I know the law isn't written that way but "get in line, wait 7 years, and we will deny you entry," is the reality of the law.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 21, 2018, 10:39:28 pm
I know the law isn't written that way but "get in line, wait 7 years, and we will deny you entry," is the reality of the law.

No, not necessarily.  And, even if so, so what?  Our country, our rules, our laws.

I'm disappointed.  You usually show more integrity than that.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Bigun on June 21, 2018, 10:41:13 pm
I know the law isn't written that way but "get in line, wait 7 years, and we will deny you entry," is the reality of the law.

So you really are just a complete open borders liberal.   Thanks for coming out of the closet on that.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 10:43:16 pm
So why wouldn't we do everything we can to prevent them from doing that?
I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons. 
1 we have plenty of room.
2 we have jobs they can fill.
3 I have sympathy for their plight.

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: skeeter on June 21, 2018, 10:43:33 pm
No, not necessarily.  And, even if so, so what?  Our country, our rules, our laws.

I'm disappointed.  You usually show more integrity than that.

Careful. Some people think 'our laws' is code for 'I hate brown people'. /s

Or, the stick thrown hits the dog who yelps. Or something.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 10:44:23 pm
No, not necessarily.  And, even if so, so what?  Our country, our rules, our laws.

I'm disappointed.  You usually show more integrity than that.

nobody is perfect.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 10:46:11 pm
So you really are just a complete open borders liberal.   Thanks for coming out of the closet on that.

Your welcome.  This is the 1,785th time I outed myself. 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 21, 2018, 10:46:28 pm
nobody is perfect.

And, what does that have to do with presenting a deliberately fallacious argument?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 21, 2018, 10:48:37 pm
THEY FIGHT!!! /sarc

I'd submit that the illegals sneaking in would not allowed to legally enter, so why wouldn't they sneak in?
Why?

Because it is ILLEGAL.

You may say the law is wrong, but we Americans mostly believe the law to be correct.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 21, 2018, 10:49:53 pm
I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons. 
1 we have plenty of room.
2 we have jobs they can fill.
3 I have sympathy for their plight.
Open up your own house and let them live there.

I choose not to do so.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 10:53:30 pm
And, what does that have to do with presenting a deliberately fallacious argument?
I again am unsure what you're talking about.  I said the law is wrong.  It should be changed.  You say it's not the law.  I disagree.  I did not present a deliberately fallacious argument.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 10:55:21 pm
Why?

Because it is ILLEGAL.

You may say the law is wrong, but we Americans mostly believe the law to be correct.

Thanx for explaining that America
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 21, 2018, 10:57:00 pm
Open up your own house and let them live there.

I choose not to do so.

I'm fine with you keeping your home.  They can be your neighbors if that helps
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 21, 2018, 10:58:05 pm
I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons. 
1 we have plenty of room.
2 we have jobs they can fill.
3 I have sympathy for their plight.

That is staggeringly clueless.  Wow. 

You can quit replying to me now.  We're done.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 21, 2018, 11:15:00 pm
Not any more so than when an American kills an American, or a human kills another human.

I reject the silly notion that being killed by an illegal is somehow more horrendous than being killed in Chicago by an American hood.

Now this the part where you start babbling about how they're ILLEGAL...as if that term somehow changes the immigrant of today from the immigrants of the past.

And this is the part where I say "do something about it if you don't like it", but if your big issue is crime I suggest you stop focusing your efforts on excluding janitors, crop pickers, and other workers from the US because that is the vast majority of illegals

I feel sorry for you and the pathetic nature of that statement.  You clearly feel very small.  I think many Trump fans feel that way about themselves.

Stay on topic please.  + really crappy psychoanalysis.

Hog wash.  They are already here.  Arresting, prosecuting and deporting them will cost more than illegals self identifying for amnesty...See DACA.

There is not much left of your argument so have a nice day @TomSea .

@Once-Ler

Perhaps, next time, your kind toss out the bigot card, it's time for a good look in the mirror. We've got it, foreigners first.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 21, 2018, 11:47:51 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgOHvh1VAAILjPs.jpg)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: aligncare on June 22, 2018, 12:35:15 am
Why should those who sneak in illegally be given preferences that those who are coming legally don't get?

Seems then that US policy is anybody within walking distance qualifies for citizenship.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on June 22, 2018, 12:42:09 am
Seems then that US policy is anybody within walking distance qualifies for citizenship.

The illegals shouldn't become citizens ... they would automatically fall to the bottom of the swamp.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 22, 2018, 01:02:00 am
I'm fine with you keeping your home.  They can be your neighbors if that helps

Nice assumption that people here live in Section 8 housing.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on June 22, 2018, 01:04:16 am
I'm fine with you keeping your home.  They can be your neighbors if that helps
Repeat: you are indeed the problem with America.

We citizens will protect our homeland from despicable people like you.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 22, 2018, 01:31:44 am
I don't think imported workers cost tax payers.

"Imported workers" from Mexico and South America by and large have what family they have here stateside on welfare - a burden on taxpayers - while they send a whole lot of cash back home to relatives.

I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons. 
1 we have plenty of room.

No.  We have no room for third world refuse that no one wants whom are sneaking in here for freebies or hostile intentions.  A majority have zero to little skill sets and whom have no intentions of assimilating into a distinct American culture, learn our language or BECOME an American. 

First of all, we're BROKE.  We cannot afford to pay for them to be here and to support them, which is why they are coming here.

Second of all, without insisting that an American culture be adopted and adhered to, we are being forced into adopting foreign culture that is anathema to our foundations and a danger to Constitutional liberty.

2 we have jobs they can fill.

Well, the cheap labor without bennies aside, no.   Unless they came in the front door with the proper paperwork, they are by law, prohibited from working here in this country.


3 I have sympathy for their plight.

By all means, there is nothing stopping you from using your own money, wealth, time and property to provide for such people out of your own resources.

Your sympathy becomes tyranny when you expect the rest of us to share your sympathy and demand our tax money and efforts go towards assuaging your feelings to make provisions for foreigners.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: skeeter on June 22, 2018, 01:43:16 am
I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons. 
1 we have plenty of room.
2 we have jobs they can fill.
3 I have sympathy for their plight.

Are you really from Madison? If so, what in the sam hell do you know about the illegal immigration problem in the US? Your town is 78% white.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2018, 01:43:18 am
Respectfully, @Once-Ler 's  position seems so extreme, it's like the people wanting to legalize heroin or prostitution and does not appear to be worthy of debate.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Axeslinger on June 22, 2018, 01:44:45 am
By all means, there is nothing stopping you from using your own money, wealth, time and property to provide for such people out of your own resources.

Your sympathy becomes tyranny when you expect the rest of us to share your sympathy and demand our tax money and efforts go towards assuaging your feelings to make provisions for foreigners.

^^^THIS!!!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2018, 01:50:18 am
Birthplace of Republican party, Ripon Wisconsin.
https://www.loc.gov/item/90705492/ (https://www.loc.gov/item/90705492/)

Madison I thought was thought to be at the forefront of pioneering liberalism in the US, I thought I heard that or somewhere in Wisconsin.

Whatever. There's not much reason to get steamed with such a position, I doubt one can change one's mind.... per free immigration, absolute forgiving of criminal wrongdoing, no borders, no rules.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 22, 2018, 01:50:24 am
Respectfully, @Once-Ler 's  position seems so extreme, it's like the people wanting to legalize heroin or prostitution and does not appear to be worthy of debate.

Tom, it's one of those days when the stars and planets align and you and I agree.  :beer:
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: skeeter on June 22, 2018, 02:07:12 am
Birthplace of Republican party, Ripon Wisconsin.
https://www.loc.gov/item/90705492/ (https://www.loc.gov/item/90705492/)

Madison I thought was thought to be at the forefront of pioneering liberalism in the US, I thought I heard that or somewhere in Wisconsin.

Whatever. There's not much reason to get steamed with such a position, I doubt one can change one's mind.... per free immigration, absolute forgiving of criminal wrongdoing, no borders, no rules.

It goes to credibility. I just wanna know how seriously to take his opinion.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2018, 02:22:51 am
Birth of labor movement, Wisconsin;
http://www.projectwisconsin.com/the-birth-of-the-labor-movement/ (http://www.projectwisconsin.com/the-birth-of-the-labor-movement/)

On the other hand, Governor Scott Walker is one of the best governors in the nation, Evangelical but I don't think initially at least, he understood the immigration issue. We are all wired differently. He's been a public servant too, so I think a busy man, not fully formulated on his views.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 22, 2018, 02:51:24 am
In fact, just 2 days ago in Texas, there was that car crash that killed? 4 or 5 illegal alien types, so someone doesn't even have to search these stories out, I think they were in a car chase from law enforcement, those stories are so common, I didn't read about it in full,  3 weeks ago, that truck was found near that Walmart in San Antonio that had people in it in inhumane conditions. All this compassion does is just help out the most unscrupulous criminals smuggle people, criminals that would smuggle people in trucks often with little air to breathe. To those people, we must appear like the dumbest people on earth and the trafficking industry surely has billions in profits made yearly. That is what is inhumane.

If one wants to solve that problem, one would really have to overhaul the immigration system drastically.  The libertarians, as in libertarian party, were for open borders until terrorism showed up, so now, they want some checks on it.

Opiates and other drugs are coming through our borders and waterways, more costs and more human suffering.

At least, we have some who are trying to effectively tackle this problem.

I am calling this the post of the day.  Why?  Because it is the truth and truth is hard to come by these days.  I saw the story about the chase.  I also have seen stories about semi's filled with illegals boiling to death inside.  Is that humane?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on June 22, 2018, 04:33:54 am
And here I was thinking I'd dodged the jabberwocky by exercising my IGNORE button, only to have so many others give it Bill Board status by quoting it and feeding it the spotlight.

Pssst. If you just ignore it, eventually it will go away.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2018, 07:14:01 am
That is staggeringly clueless.  Wow. 

You can quit replying to me now.  We're done.
@Sanguine
I accept your surrender.  Great insult.  Wow.

You are responding to my response to @IsailedawayfromFR so you can quit replying to me first.  You're done.  I'll keep posting.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2018, 07:20:29 am
@Once-Ler

Perhaps, next time, your kind toss out the bigot card, it's time for a good look in the mirror. We've got it, foreigners first.
I tossed no bigot card at you @TomSea, perhaps you feel some guilt on your own.  I hope you have a mirror.  I have never said foreigners first...I just haven't told them to go F themselves like President Trump.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2018, 07:24:26 am
Nice assumption that people here live in Section 8 housing.
@txradioguy
I live in a modest home in a Madison WI suburb.  We have first generation Latinos in our neighborhood.  Some are no doubt illegal.  I made no such assumption, and I don't think they got here on welfare.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2018, 09:44:28 am
"Imported workers" from Mexico and South America by and large have what family they have here stateside on welfare - a burden on taxpayers - while they send a whole lot of cash back home to relatives.

Forcefully stated.  Prove it and so what?  Why do I care if the government gives my tax dollar to an illegal instead of paying the salary of Peter Strzok, the former John McCain, or Rudy Giuliani?  I don't believe illegal workers are a burden.  I believe they work jobs nobody else wants to do.  I believe this because it is a fact.  They are working to pay for rich people to collect Social Security they can't themselves collect.  I believe illegals are afraid of deportation so they don't utilize the police or other government freebies at as high a rate as Americans. 

https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs (https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs)

FAIR says there were 11.9 million illegals in 2010  They estimate the number of illegal aliens in the workforce at 8.5 million jobs.  71.4%  The same number the Pew Hispanic Center came up with 71.4%

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 (https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000)

The civilian labor force participation rate in 2010 was about 65%.  I believe it is indisputable that a higher percentage of illegals work than Americans. 

Lots of Americans don't have to work because Uncle Sam provides.  Who the hell is going to support that lifestyle without the taxpaying workers?  and there are 8.5 illegal million of them.  That is 8.5 million jobs I don't want to do but I want done right.  I want my bank cleaned, and my burger cooked, and my oil changed, my lawn treated by competent workers.  but I don't want to pay union wages to get it done.  The solution is not to foist basket case Americans on businesses.  American businesses don't want to hire the space cases, druggies, or relatives of @Wingnut .  People that can't hold a job because they are unreliable.  The felons and recently kicked off unemployment.  I know this will likely be considered a hate crime by somebody but most employers don't want to hired people with face tattoos or recurring roles on Cops.

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No.  We have no room for third world refuse that no one wants whom are sneaking in here for freebies or hostile intentions.  A majority have zero to little skill sets and whom have no intentions of assimilating into a distinct American culture, learn our language or BECOME an American.

and yet they are already here by the millions, already working by the millions, and many speak better English than my President. 

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First of all, we're BROKE.  We cannot afford to pay for them to be here and to support them, which is why they are coming here.

I believe workers pay for themselves.

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Second of all, without insisting that an American culture be adopted and adhered to, we are being forced into adopting foreign culture that is anathema to our foundations and a danger to Constitutional liberty.

Again forcefully stated, but Womp Womp.   The relevance of the Constitution to my modern life is almost nil. 

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Well, the cheap labor without bennies aside, no.   Unless they came in the front door with the proper paperwork, they are by law, prohibited from working here in this country.

Well then I guess 8.5 million are not really here.  If a law is not enforced, is it really a law?

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By all means, there is nothing stopping you from using your own money, wealth, time and property to provide for such people out of your own resources.

My taxes pay for abortion, war, substandard education, political kickbacks, incompetent bureaucracy, and the lawyers paid to defend that crap...your going to tell me I don't have a voice in this issue because it infringes on your rights? 

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Your sympathy becomes tyranny when you expect the rest of us to share your sympathy and demand our tax money and efforts go towards assuaging your feelings to make provisions for foreigners.

I'm a tyrant because I voice my opinion and we don't agree.  Take a breath.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2018, 09:48:12 am
Are you really from Madison? If so, what in the sam hell do you know about the illegal immigration problem in the US? Your town is 78% white.
@skeeter
Please don't hate me for the color of my skin.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2018, 09:51:50 am
Respectfully, @Once-Ler 's  position seems so extreme, it's like the people wanting to legalize heroin or prostitution and does not appear to be worthy of debate.

Who are you talking too @TomSea ?  It's not yourself.  You're debating me right now.  You just did.   This is a joke, yes?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2018, 09:53:17 am
Tom, it's one of those days when the stars and planets align and you and I agree.  :beer:

I love bringing people together.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 22, 2018, 01:30:46 pm
@txradioguy
I live in a modest home in a Madison WI suburb.   

And that right there is all I ever need to know about why you are the way you are. 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: skeeter on June 22, 2018, 01:40:41 pm
@skeeter
Please don't hate me for the color of my skin.

Oh I don't hate you Onesler. I always get a kick out of folks like you who wag their fingers at those of us who don't appreciate the hard working illegal alien as you do, when your only contact with them is the very occasional smiling busboy or the distant, drive-by glimpse of one nailing shingles on a neighbors roof.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 22, 2018, 02:02:23 pm
I don't believe illegal workers are a burden.

Of course not.  I suppose we could say the same thing about rapists, drug pushers and pedophiles.  Sure they have committed crimes, but until you are a victim - you see no 'burden'.

Perhaps after you have a family member killed by an illegal, drunk with no insurance who has been caught and deported several times beforehand - you might think otherwise.

I believe they work jobs nobody else wants to do. 

Riiiight.  And they also get welfare bennies we citizens are not afforded either.

They are working to pay for rich people to collect Social Security they can't themselves collect.

Since ILLEGALS work for CASH or utilize stolen identities, how are they paying for SoSec exactly????

I believe illegals are afraid of deportation so they don't utilize the police

Tell that to the cops having to deal with MS-13, fatal drunk driving wrecks, hit and runs, home invasions, rapes, murders and other assorted sundry crimes that their population commits at a greater rate than the local populations they have invaded.

or other government freebies at as high a rate as Americans.

They get more free shit at my expense than citizens of this country receive.

FAIR says there were 11.9 million illegals in 2010  They estimate the number of illegal aliens in the workforce at 8.5 million jobs.  71.4%  The same number the Pew Hispanic Center came up with 71.4%

11.9???  That's funny right there.


I believe it is indisputable that a higher percentage of illegals work than Americans.

I don't care.  They're criminals and should be treated as such.

Who the hell is going to support that lifestyle without the taxpaying workers?  That is 8.5 million jobs I don't want to do but I want done right.  I want my bank cleaned, and my burger cooked, and my oil changed, my lawn treated by competent workers.  but I don't want to pay union wages to get it done.  The solution is not to foist basket case Americans on businesses.  American businesses don't want to hire the space cases, druggies, or relatives of @Wingnut .  People that can't hold a job because they are unreliable.  The felons and recently kicked off unemployment.  I know this will likely be considered a hate crime by somebody but most employers don't want to hired people with face tattoos or recurring roles on Cops.

So much for liberty and sovereignty in your world.  Import the barbarians, get conquered from within by them.

Lesson from history.

Again forcefully stated, but Womp Womp.   The relevance of the Constitution to my modern life is almost nil.

Well that makes you no different than the Leftists who want it scrapped for Communism or the Populists who dismiss it for pragmatism.

If a law is not enforced, is it really a law?

Apparently "laws" only apply to existing American citizens who need to be subjugated and raped by their government, while being replaced by illegal aliens intent on reconquinista.

My taxes pay for abortion, war, substandard education, political kickbacks, incompetent bureaucracy, and the lawyers paid to defend that crap...your going to tell me I don't have a voice in this issue because it infringes on your rights?

I'm telling you that when you use government to force me to subsidize those you want provisions given to illegal third world squatters because they are your pet charity - YES, I'm telling you that you are advocating and supporting tyranny.  Period.  End of sentence.

I'm a tyrant because I voice my opinion and we don't agree.  Take a breath.

You're a tyrant because you support using government to put a gun to our heads to pay for an invasion by Mexico and South America.   People you want to do shit you don't want to pay for, who are not citizens of this country and have no intentions of assimilating into our culture.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2018, 08:52:15 pm
Of course not.  I suppose we could say the same thing about rapists, drug pushers and pedophiles.  Sure they have committed crimes, but until you are a victim - you see no 'burden'.

Perhaps after you have a family member killed by an illegal, drunk with no insurance who has been caught and deported several times beforehand - you might think otherwise.

You equate 12 million illegals as rapists, drug pushers and pedophiles.  ridiculous.

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Riiiight.  And they also get welfare bennies we citizens are not afforded either.

You believe illegals get more welfare than Americans. ridiculous

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Since ILLEGALS work for CASH or utilize stolen identities, how are they paying for SoSec exactly????

https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/amnesty-breaking-social-security-bank (https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/amnesty-breaking-social-security-bank)

When illegal aliens use a fake or stolen SSN, 6.2 percent of their earnings are sent to SSA to be credited to the workers' SSN account in the SSTF. 5 An equal amount is paid into the system by the employer. But if the SSA cannot match that worker with an SSN account (when the SSN is fake, or it is stolen, or the worker is using a different name and birth date) the funds are assigned to the Earnings Suspense Fund (ESF) and the employer and worker are notified of the mismatch. As the U.S. Department of Justice explains, “After SSA processes wage reports submitted by employers, the agency tries to resolve name/SSN discrepancies by sending no-match letters to employees, employers and self-employed individuals to inform them when a reported name or SSN does not match SSA's records.” 6

For a legal worker, this notification leads normally to a correction of the mistake, and the funds are moved from the ESF to the SSTF. For an illegal alien worker, the employer and worker may simply ignore the notification, or the employer may ask the employee to provide corrected data. That may lead to the illegal alien simply supplying a new fake SSN, with the withheld funds remaining in the ESF.

The Government Accountability Office stated in Congressional testimony in 2006 that “...the ESF, which contained roughly 250 million records as of December 2004, appears to include an increasing number of records associated with probable unauthorized work” mostly from workers employed in “...eating and drinking establishments and construction.” 7

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Tell that to the cops having to deal with MS-13, fatal drunk driving wrecks, hit and runs, home invasions, rapes, murders and other assorted sundry crimes that their population commits at a greater rate than the local populations they have invaded.

You again equate 12 million illegals with violent criminals.  I'm seeing a pattern

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They get more free shit at my expense than citizens of this country receive.

Boldly stated.  Prove it.

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11.9???  That's funny right there.

That is from a link a border patriot passed my way.  Do you have a link from even more biased source you want to introduce?

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I don't care.  They're criminals and should be treated as such.

So much for liberty and sovereignty in your world.  Import the barbarians, get conquered from within by them.

Lesson from history.

History guides my perspective, but it is the history of 80 years ago that I see being repeated.

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Well that makes you no different than the Leftists who want it scrapped for Communism or the Populists who dismiss it for pragmatism.

Apparently "laws" only apply to existing American citizens who need to be subjugated and raped by their government, while being replaced by illegal aliens intent on reconquinista.

I'm telling you that when you use government to force me to subsidize those you want provisions given to illegal third world squatters because they are your pet charity - YES, I'm telling you that you are advocating and supporting tyranny.  Period.  End of sentence.

The mad tyrant Once-Ler does have a nice ring to it.

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You're a tyrant because you support using government to put a gun to our heads to pay for an invasion by Mexico and South America.   People you want to do shit you don't want to pay for, who are not citizens of this country and have no intentions of assimilating into our culture.

Thanx for your reply.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2018, 09:03:17 pm
Again, an extreme viewpoint is to allow lawbreaking. We are a Republic. If one wants to change the laws, go through congress, not force your personal views on the population. Also, without a doubt, open open open borders encourages organized crime. The whole system would need to be overhauled.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 22, 2018, 09:05:00 pm
Who are you talking too @TomSea ?  It's not yourself.  You're debating me right now.  You just did.   This is a joke, yes?

An observation.

I repeat myself but if one wants to change the laws, go through congress.

It is an extreme view,  sometimes, one does not wish to be confrontational.

It's allowing law breaking. We have laws.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 22, 2018, 09:20:37 pm
An observation.

I repeat myself but if one wants to change the laws, go through congress.

It is an extreme view,  sometimes, one does not wish to be confrontational.

It's allowing law breaking. We have laws.

Go through the congress that can't pass Obamacare repeal, border funding, DACA solution, or regular appropriation bills...they can't pass spending bills...it's kind of their job I think. 

So when the law is wrong, and congress abdicates their responsibility, where do you turn?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on June 22, 2018, 11:31:21 pm
Will someone please call the fire dept on this thread and have it put out?

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 23, 2018, 12:24:58 am
Will someone please call the fire dept on this thread and have it put out?

Right!  Laura hun fourteen pages in and you have at least one fully racist white bashing supporter of your stupidity. 
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 23, 2018, 02:08:26 am
Right!  Laura hun fourteen pages in and you have at least one fully racist white bashing supporter of your stupidity.

@Chosen Daughter

White bashing?  Please point to one post with white bashing.  You won't cause you can't.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 23, 2018, 02:20:41 am
Will someone please call the fire dept on this thread and have it put out?

 000hehehehe
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 23, 2018, 02:32:43 am
Forcefully stated.  Prove it and so what?  Why do I care if the government gives my tax dollar to an illegal instead of paying the salary of Peter Strzok, the former John McCain, or Rudy Giuliani?  I don't believe illegal workers are a burden.  I believe they work jobs nobody else wants to do.  I believe this because it is a fact.  They are working to pay for rich people to collect Social Security they can't themselves collect.  I believe illegals are afraid of deportation so they don't utilize the police or other government freebies at as high a rate as Americans. 

https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs (https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs)

FAIR says there were 11.9 million illegals in 2010  They estimate the number of illegal aliens in the workforce at 8.5 million jobs.  71.4%  The same number the Pew Hispanic Center came up with 71.4%

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 (https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000)

The civilian labor force participation rate in 2010 was about 65%.  I believe it is indisputable that a higher percentage of illegals work than Americans. 

Lots of Americans don't have to work because Uncle Sam provides.  Who the hell is going to support that lifestyle without the taxpaying workers?  and there are 8.5 illegal million of them.  That is 8.5 million jobs I don't want to do but I want done right.  I want my bank cleaned, and my burger cooked, and my oil changed, my lawn treated by competent workers.  but I don't want to pay union wages to get it done.  The solution is not to foist basket case Americans on businesses.  American businesses don't want to hire the space cases, druggies, or relatives of @Wingnut .  People that can't hold a job because they are unreliable.  The felons and recently kicked off unemployment.  I know this will likely be considered a hate crime by somebody but most employers don't want to hired people with face tattoos or recurring roles on Cops.

and yet they are already here by the millions, already working by the millions, and many speak better English than my President. 

I believe workers pay for themselves.

Again forcefully stated, but Womp Womp.   The relevance of the Constitution to my modern life is almost nil. 

Well then I guess 8.5 million are not really here.  If a law is not enforced, is it really a law?

My taxes pay for abortion, war, substandard education, political kickbacks, incompetent bureaucracy, and the lawyers paid to defend that crap...your going to tell me I don't have a voice in this issue because it infringes on your rights? 

I'm a tyrant because I voice my opinion and we don't agree.  Take a breath.

You know what you do @Once-Ler   All Americans according to you have absolutely nothing to offer employers.  They are drug addicts, and welfare cases.....blah, blah, blah.  If a corporation can't see that a person is missing their teeth from using too much meth its their problem.  Hey, if the guy shows up for work in dark sunglasses there may be a problem?  There are drug addict Hispanics too.  We just had one didn't show up for work.  In jail.  Problem is hiring friends and relatives of employee's that don't work themselves.  What happened to a good old fashioned interview where you judge the character of the person you intend on hiring.  Oh believe me we have had some winners at our company and it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with sloppy management.

Hispanics don't do drugs or use welfare?

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 23, 2018, 04:29:00 am
You know what you do @Once-Ler   All Americans according to you have absolutely nothing to offer employers.  They are drug addicts, and welfare cases.....blah, blah, blah.  If a corporation can't see that a person is missing their teeth from using too much meth its their problem.  Hey, if the guy shows up for work in dark sunglasses there may be a problem?  There are drug addict Hispanics too.  We just had one didn't show up for work.  In jail.  Problem is hiring friends and relatives of employee's that don't work themselves.  What happened to a good old fashioned interview where you judge the character of the person you intend on hiring.  Oh believe me we have had some winners at our company and it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with sloppy management.

Hispanics don't do drugs or use welfare?

I often use sarcasm to make a point.  I'm declaring this because I want you to know my reply contains no sarcasm.

That was the best reply I have read this hellish week, because I read it, and read it again, and read it again and I still don't think I'm getting some of your argument fully...but I want to.

You have presented your opinion without snark at me.  I actually believe you want me to understand your points.  Your points are not polished and not edited for clarity, but I have no doubt to your sincerity.  I find the honesty of your post courageous because we at TBR have trained each other to attack first and think never.

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All Americans according to you have absolutely nothing to offer employers.
I never said that, and I don't believe that.  I believe current legal American workers are superior over illegal workers, on average, in every conceivable way.  But when the unemployment rate dips below a certain point..I'll go with 5%...The worst 5% of America's workers (Druggies, criminals, insane, sociopaths, losers forced off welfare) compete with the best illegals.  I believe American business should not be responsible for employing losers, and I don't think American business employing malfunctioning Americans is a benefit of border security.
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They are drug addicts, and welfare cases.....blah, blah, blah. 
   Most of the people currently not retired or employed?  Absolutely.
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If a corporation can't see that a person is missing their teeth from using too much meth its their problem.  Hey, if the guy shows up for work in dark sunglasses there may be a problem?
You sound like someone who interviews employees.  I am too.  I am ashamed of some of the losers...who I knew were loser...that I hired because nobody else applied.  Sometimes we would have been better off shutting the company down for the night.
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There are drug addict Hispanics too.  We just had one didn't show up for work.  In jail.  Problem is hiring friends and relatives of employee's that don't work themselves.  What happened to a good old fashioned interview where you judge the character of the person you intend on hiring.  Oh believe me we have had some winners at our company and it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with sloppy management.

Hispanics don't do drugs or use welfare?

Sure they do.  I have never said otherwise...I just don't think 12 million illegals are guilty of drugs and welfare fraud because some illegals are.

Again I commend you on your post.  I believe you have laid out your honest opinion with class.  I appreciate this opportunity to understand you better, and I want you to understand me too.  While we don't agree I believe you are good person who wants what is best for your country and your grand children, and I hope you have a nice weekend @Chosen Daughter .
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GtHawk on June 23, 2018, 06:21:46 am
Wow someone has so many "I believes" in their post that I thought I was stuck in a warped Steve Martin bit. There are people that believe the Earth is Flat, that Obama was born in Hawaii, that the moon landings were fake. Believing something doesn't make it true any more than clapping your hands kept Tinkerbell from dying when you were a child.

There is a simple immutable fact ILLEGAL immigrants cost honest legal taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, through social programs, education, legal and penal system and lives. Anybody that believes otherwise is still enamored with Tinkerbell and living in fantasy.........................or a socialist.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 23, 2018, 06:30:10 am
Wow someone has so many "I believes" in their post that I thought I was stuck in a warped Steve Martin bit.

@GtHawk
<NOPE>
Quote
There are people that believe the Earth is Flat, that Obama was born in Hawaii, that the moon landings were fake. Believing something doesn't make it true any more than clapping your hands kept Tinkerbell from dying when you were a child.
@Quix I got nothing more to say <NOPE> You want a shot?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: GtHawk on June 23, 2018, 06:37:59 am

@GtHawk
<NOPE>.@Quix I got nothing more <NOPE>  You want a shot?
@Once-Ler
I'm an idiot? You're the talking out of his ass about how illegals don't cost us hundreds of millions of dollars and compare their leaching off the taxpayer from the first day they arrive to legal residents and Citizens who have worked to pay into the social programs they use.  Maybe they can start trucking the illegals out of California up to you, since you are so woefully inexperienced in life with them. You sir<NOPE>!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Quix on June 23, 2018, 08:26:10 am

@GtHawk
Have the balls to ping me when you slander me pu$$y.@Quix I got nothing more to say to this idiot.  You want a shot?

Looks like you've done an admirable job.

I'm increasingly trying to obey the Biblical injunction in the NT to avoid fruitless arguments.

This exchange seems like a prime candidate to practice such restraint--as uncommon as that might have been for me in the past. LOL.

It is obvious, to me, that the globalist oligarchy is increasingly energetic and aggressive in stirring up hostility and other negative emotions, actions and diatribes against POTUS TRUMP and his efforts to expose and punish the outrageous evil and evil doers.

Folks who fail to realize that are likely to be deluded and remain in serious blindness and ignorance.

Nevertheless, I think the evidence is building strongly that God is serious about using TRUMP to trash said evil doers and to release their human trafficked victims--particularly the children.

The MSM noise is charitably described as 'noise.' It is idiotic blathering by the stooges of the oligarchy--who are actually the stooges of hell. It is typically outrageous brazen flaunting of gross and extreme hypocrisy.

Why anyone would think that such gross hypocrisy has anything to offer honorable persons, is mystifying, to me.

But then, propagandistic lobotomizing has a number of sad results.

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 23, 2018, 12:29:18 pm
that Obama was born in Hawaii,



@GtHawk

Obomber WAS born in Hawaii,and his mother WAS  a US Citizen. He is NOT a foreigner,but he IS a traitor. If he WAS a foreigner,he would not and could not be a traitor.

WHY do people obsess over this conspiracy shit? Bathhouse Barry couldn't possibly be a bigger oxygen thief if it were all true,so HOW does it benefit anybody to hold close to BullBarack like it is a dearly loved child?

Focus on what is real. There is  plenty of it to focus on.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Bigun on June 23, 2018, 01:21:07 pm
@GtHawk

Obomber WAS born in Hawaii,and his mother WAS  a US Citizen. He is NOT a foreigner,but he IS a traitor. If he WAS a foreigner,he would not and could not be a traitor.

WHY do people obsess over this conspiracy shit? Bathhouse Barry couldn't possibly be a bigger oxygen thief if it were all true,so HOW does it benefit anybody to hold close to BullBarack like it is a dearly loved child?

Focus on what is real. There is  plenty of it to focus on.

I have some swampland in Arizona that I think you might be interested in.  Or perhaps a bridge in Brooklyn!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 23, 2018, 01:23:37 pm
I have some swampland in Arizona that I think you might be interested in.  Or perhaps a bridge in Brooklyn!

@Bigun

Ok,oh,wise one. His mother was living in Hawaii when he was born. Please splain how he managed to be born somewhere else.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Bigun on June 23, 2018, 01:27:32 pm
@Bigun

Ok,oh,wise one. His mother was living in Hawaii when he was born. Please splain how he managed to be born somewhere else.

That's the story but even if it's true he is still not an American as his father was a British subject and the law at the time was that the child's nationality followed the fathers.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: INVAR on June 23, 2018, 01:36:53 pm

Obomber WAS born in Hawaii,and his mother WAS  a US Citizen. He is NOT a foreigner,but he IS a traitor.

Well, adding to the thread-drift - I am convinced His Heinous Barrack I - was the love child of Frank Marshall Davis and Ann Dunham.

Since her father was FBI assigned to keep tabs on Davis' Communist activities in HI, paying one of his former students from Africa to sign on as the baby daddy and marry his daughter on paper (Obama Sr. already had a wife in Kenya) was done to keep Dunham's job and bennies with the Bureau.

 /thread drift.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 23, 2018, 03:27:04 pm
Quote
Well, adding to the thread-drift - I am convinced His Heinous Barrack I - was the love child of Frank Marshall Davis and Ann Dunham.

I would bet money on it. She married Obama Sr because he needed an American wife to stay in the US,and chances are he paid her money to marry him.

Quote
Since her father was FBI assigned to keep tabs on Davis' Communist activities in HI, paying one of his former students from Africa to sign on as the baby daddy and marry his daughter on paper (Obama Sr. already had a wife in Kenya) was done to keep Dunham's job and bennies with the Bureau.

As I wrote above,I believe Obama paid her to marry him so he could stay in the US and continue his education. His family back home had the bucks to pay.

Bathhouse Barry is NEVER going to allow a blood test to be made because he enjoys the status of being the son of African royalty. It's what got him to where he is today.

Being the son of an American criminal,sworn communist, and child molester is not something to brag about on the campaign trail,though.

 /thread drift.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: TomSea on June 23, 2018, 03:29:50 pm
Tom, it's one of those days when the stars and planets align and you and I agree.  :beer:

@Sanguine

Are you calling someone a liberal?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Silver Pines on June 23, 2018, 03:59:58 pm
@Sanguine

Are you calling someone a liberal?

Lmao

#whyeventry
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Sanguine on June 23, 2018, 05:37:42 pm
@Sanguine

Are you calling someone a liberal?

OK, Tom, my curiosity wins out - how is anything I said anything about liberals or leftists?

#whyeventry  HT @CatherineofAragon
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: dfwgator on June 23, 2018, 05:39:28 pm
@Bigun

Ok,oh,wise one. His mother was living in Hawaii when he was born. Please splain how he managed to be born somewhere else.

Yes, did everyone miss that bright star that shown over Hawaii when Obama was born?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 23, 2018, 06:21:34 pm
Yes, did everyone miss that bright star that shown over Hawaii when Obama was born?

@dfwgator

LOL!
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Emjay on June 23, 2018, 06:56:57 pm
I would bet money on it. She married Obama Sr because he needed an American wife to stay in the US,and chances are he paid her money to marry him.

As I wrote above,I believe Obama paid her to marry him so he could stay in the US and continue his education. His family back home had the bucks to pay.

Bathhouse Barry is NEVER going to allow a blood test to be made because he enjoys the status of being the son of African royalty. It's what got him to where he is today.

Being the son of an American criminal,sworn communist, and child molester is not something to brag about on the campaign trail,though.

 /thread drift.

Hey @sneakypete , you may be crazy but I totally agree with you.

If the press had any interest in this at all, it would be confirmed tomorrow.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 24, 2018, 01:19:33 am
I often use sarcasm to make a point.  I'm declaring this because I want you to know my reply contains no sarcasm.

That was the best reply I have read this hellish week, because I read it, and read it again, and read it again and I still don't think I'm getting some of your argument fully...but I want to.

You have presented your opinion without snark at me.  I actually believe you want me to understand your points.  Your points are not polished and not edited for clarity, but I have no doubt to your sincerity.  I find the honesty of your post courageous because we at TBR have trained each other to attack first and think never.
I never said that, and I don't believe that.  I believe current legal American workers are superior over illegal workers, on average, in every conceivable way.  But when the unemployment rate dips below a certain point..I'll go with 5%...The worst 5% of America's workers (Druggies, criminals, insane, sociopaths, losers forced off welfare) compete with the best illegals.  I believe American business should not be responsible for employing losers, and I don't think American business employing malfunctioning Americans is a benefit of border security.   Most of the people currently not retired or employed?  Absolutely.You sound like someone who interviews employees.  I am too.  I am ashamed of some of the losers...who I knew were loser...that I hired because nobody else applied.  Sometimes we would have been better off shutting the company down for the night.
Sure they do.  I have never said otherwise...I just don't think 12 million illegals are guilty of drugs and welfare fraud because some illegals are.

Again I commend you on your post.  I believe you have laid out your honest opinion with class.  I appreciate this opportunity to understand you better, and I want you to understand me too.  While we don't agree I believe you are good person who wants what is best for your country and your grand children, and I hope you have a nice weekend @Chosen Daughter .

I appreciate that, thank you.  No I don't hire anyone.  I used to have a management job a long time ago.  If I did the hiring we would have people who want to work.  And they would have incentive to work because they would be rewarded for hard work.  Because more workers isn't better than less workers who actually work.  If you can have 1 that does the work of two minimum wage earners for two dollars more you are making a profit.  What good does it do to hire a bunch of losers when you end up being the loser?

Employers think they need cheap labor.  They need good labor and they have to be willing to pay for it.  You have to have good management.  Especially for low wage earners because they don't care.  They are inexperience, don't care and will take every opportunity to slack off when the boss isn't looking.  I hope you won't say that immigrants work hard for low wages.  Immigrants are people just like everyone else.  No super work force, no super race. (period)  Just a workforce of people there to collect a paycheck.  No loyalty.  Ready to take off at lunch on payday or come back from lunch 20 minutes late because the boss isn't there.

At any rate I get you.  I get people who think they are gaining and actually losing.  Try negotiating pay for experienced workers.  Then you will not have druggies applying.

So on the drug issue.  I am not without compassion for the addicts.  Of course they don't make good workers.  It is sad that we allow cartel to do business on our border bringing drugs in to enslave our population to a life of drug addiction.  I have known many parent who did all they could to raise their beautiful children just to have them make one bad choice that will change their lives forever.

I was on the Reservation a couple weeks ago.  I saw a young girl ride up on her bicycle going directly to the two guys who I had noticed were very shady.  They proceeded to make a drug deal with this young girl and my heart broke.  Our hearts need to break for our children.  These druggies were someone's son or daughter, sister, brother and friend.  Now they are the local drug addict.  I always talked to my kids about drugs.  I drove the point it only takes one time and then it can become your life.  Who you are identified as.  Not your name but the drug addict.  I want my President to stop the flow of illegal drugs from Mexico.  It is said that the Cartels have a swath of land 70 miles into America.  Why have we done all of this to our citizens.  Why don't we care?
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 24, 2018, 01:44:00 am
I appreciate that, thank you.  No I don't hire anyone.  I used to have a management job a long time ago.  If I did the hiring we would have people who want to work.  And they would have incentive to work because they would be rewarded for hard work.  Because more workers isn't better than less workers who actually work.  If you can have 1 that does the work of two minimum wage earners for two dollars more you are making a profit.  What good does it do to hire a bunch of losers when you end up being the loser?

Employers think they need cheap labor.  They need good labor and they have to be willing to pay for it.  You have to have good management.  Especially for low wage earners because they don't care.  They are inexperience, don't care and will take every opportunity to slack off when the boss isn't looking.  I hope you won't say that immigrants work hard for low wages.  Immigrants are people just like everyone else.  No super work force, no super race. (period)  Just a workforce of people there to collect a paycheck.  No loyalty.  Ready to take off at lunch on payday or come back from lunch 20 minutes late because the boss isn't there.

At any rate I get you.  I get people who think they are gaining and actually losing.  Try negotiating pay for experienced workers.  Then you will not have druggies applying.

So on the drug issue.  I am not without compassion for the addicts.  Of course they don't make good workers.  It is sad that we allow cartel to do business on our border bringing drugs in to enslave our population to a life of drug addiction.  I have known many parent who did all they could to raise their beautiful children just to have them make one bad choice that will change their lives forever.

I was on the Reservation a couple weeks ago.  I saw a young girl ride up on her bicycle going directly to the two guys who I had noticed were very shady.  They proceeded to make a drug deal with this young girl and my heart broke.  Our hearts need to break for our children.  These druggies were someone's son or daughter, sister, brother and friend.  Now they are the local drug addict.  I always talked to my kids about drugs.  I drove the point it only takes one time and then it can become your life.  Who you are identified as.  Not your name but the drug addict.  I want my President to stop the flow of illegal drugs from Mexico.  It is said that the Cartels have a swath of land 70 miles into America.  Why have we done all of this to our citizens.  Why don't we care?
@Chosen Daughter
Thanx for your reply
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 24, 2018, 02:06:06 am
your welcome.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 24, 2018, 06:14:15 am
Mexico’s involvement in the illicit drug trade in the United States:
•Marijuana: Mexico is the number one foreign supplier of marijuana to the United States, and marijuana is thought to be the top revenue generator for Mexican drug cartels.
•Cocaine: Mexico does not produce cocaine, however, Mexican cartels move Columbian cocaine through South and Central America and into the United States. An estimated 93 percent of cocaine headed to the US from South America moves through Mexico.
•Methamphetamine: Mexico remains the biggest foreign supplier of methamphetamine to the United States, and Mexican drug cartels set up labs to manufacture meth on both sides of the border, controlling labs in Southern California as well as domestically.
•Heroin: While Asia and the Middle East remain the biggest producers of heroin, Mexican black-tar and brown heroin is on the rise. In fact, 39 percent of heroin identified under the DEA’s Heroin Signature Program (HSP) in 2008 came from Mexico, making Mexico the source country for many of the heroin abusers west of the Mississippi River.[14]


It is no surprise then that the top five districts sentencing drug trafficking offenders were on or near the SWB in 2013:
•Western District of Texas: 1,587 sentenced drug trafficking offenders
•Southern District of California: 1,426 sentenced drug trafficking offenders
•Southern District of Texas: 1,279 sentenced drug trafficking offenders
•District of Arizona: 1,162 sentenced drug trafficking offenders
•District of Puerto Rico: 687 sentenced drug trafficking offenders[15]


?Methamphetamine trafficking


The popular stimulant drug made from the ephedrine or pseudoephedrine found in cold medications and manufactured into illegal methamphetamine in illicit laboratories may have initially been primarily trafficked by motorcycle gangs up and down the West Coast but concentrated in California. Mexican drug cartels are now heavily involved, and organized crime syndicates both manufacture and distribute the finished product as well as secure the main ingredients for domestic production in numerous smaller labs around the country. Superlabs produce larger quantities of meth at a time and are generally controlled by Mexican drug cartels, regardless of the side of the border on which the labs reside.Legislation regarding the controlled status and sale of pseudoephedrine and ephedrine products has caused drug traffickers to get more creative in the ways they obtain the main ingredient in meth. The Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act in 2005, required retailers to keep pseudoephedrine products behind the counter and to register sales.[16] Traffickers began sending buyers to multiple retail outlets in the same day to buy small and legal amounts of pseudoephedrine, a process called “smurfing,” which they then used in clandestine labs to produce meth.Meth seizures line graphMeth can be “cooked” virtually anywhere; however, rural and smaller labs are prevalent across the Midwest and around the United States as well. Domestic meth production may be on the rise, as meth can be cut with many common products including anhydrous ammonia, one of the main ingredients used in fertilizer by farmers.Meth labs are highly volatile as cutting meth uses highly flammable and explosive materials. From 2007-2009, the number of domestic meth lab incidents rose from 596 to 966 across the country, especially in the South and the Midwest.[17] Oregon, Mississippi, and several cities have passed laws making pseudoephedrine only available with a prescription, and in Oregon, meth lab incidents decreased from 400 in 2004 to just 20 in 2008.[18]Prices of meth have dropped 70 percent between 2007 and 2012 while purity has increased. Meth seizures at the border have jumped from just over 2,000 kilograms to more than 10,000 kilograms.[19] With the help tutorials on the Internet, small meth labs have sprung up around the country, although estimates report that 90 percent of the meth for sale on the streets in the United States is still made in Mexico.

https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/drug-addiction/drug-trafficking-by-the-numbers/#gref (https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/drug-addiction/drug-trafficking-by-the-numbers/#gref)

That's a whole lot of cost to Americans.

Biggest one is that these pushers are targeting our children.  If liberals care about children they should care about these numbers.  I am sure that they know someone who's child is a victim of these numbers.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7MQme3efd3Ajw4I2W_FoGKPQ-IHN_ka75R2kLNFVRH6hnTDpZ)


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It costs America because the drug addicts are not employable.  So they also are welfare, or they are living in front of buildings and under freeways in our cities.  Robbing our homes to buy more Mexican drugs.  And the cities want to tax employers to pay for the homeless.  They talk about the problem of the homeless but won't get to the root of it, which is drugs.  As the link says most coming from Mexico

Mexican drugs cause children and infants to become victims of parents who can't and don't take care of them.


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPjZeu457lth8IAw3xWBFT0IPqBe6laWV035Xx_biKW5PVr-V4)

But we just go along with no action on border security.  Why is it so hard to fund a wall and border security when the cost, human and financial is so big?

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Chosen Daughter on June 24, 2018, 06:44:31 am
And Laura does it break your heart that children are orphans in our country due to illegal drug trafficking from Mexico?

“We’re losing the battle, not winning it. The children are the biggest victims,” Shumlin said. “We’ve lost babies to parents who beat them, strangle them, bang their heads against the floor, sexually abuse them. And it’s happening because of opioid addiction.”

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/states-struggling-drug-addiction-fueled-crisis-foster-care (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/states-struggling-drug-addiction-fueled-crisis-foster-care)

It should since Jeb became vocal on his own struggles with his daughter.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeb-bush-blames-mexicans-for-his-daughter-s-drug-addiction-a6798091.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeb-bush-blames-mexicans-for-his-daughter-s-drug-addiction-a6798091.html)

Can't make the connection?  Support secured borders please.  Think about the American children.

I found this excellent video of Jeb Bush talking about the issue of drug abuse and drug deaths.  The toll it takes on families from all walks of life.  We need to care about Americans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTRQ_JJG6sE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTRQ_JJG6sE)

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: txradioguy on June 25, 2018, 02:10:16 pm
And that right there is all I ever need to know about why you are the way you are.

@Wingnut it certainly explains a lot.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Emjay on June 25, 2018, 05:40:37 pm
@Bigun

Ok,oh,wise one. His mother was living in Hawaii when he was born. Please splain how he managed to be born somewhere else.

@sneakypete Nobody knows where Obama was born.  Nobody knows who his girlfriends were or what grades he got in college.  His entire history is shrouded in mystery and there's a reason for that.

He was able to secure a Hawaiian birth certificate but that's about as difficult for a leftist as swatting a dead fly.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: skeeter on June 25, 2018, 05:53:02 pm
@sneakypete Nobody knows where Obama was born.  Nobody knows who his girlfriends were or what grades he got in college.  His entire history is shrouded in mystery and there's a reason for that.

He was able to secure a Hawaiian birth certificate but that's about as difficult for a leftist as swatting a dead fly.

Well there was that one girlfriend - the dusky lass with the receding hairline.

(https://bellalu0.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/obama-boyfriend1.png)
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2018, 06:24:14 pm
@sneakypete Nobody knows where Obama was born. 

 

@Emjay

I know for a fact he was born where his mother was living. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

And I also know his mother was nobody special back them and had no idea her child would be president one day,so there was no reason for her to hide his birth. Hell,she CELEBRATED the idea of people thinking she was   pregnant by a black boyfriend from Africa because it gave her status as a "Free Thinker" with the left.

Although *I* would be willing to bet money the REAL baby daddy was Frank Marshall Davis,a communist revolutionary black,convicted child molester,and bi-sexual. Look at these images and tell me this isn't his daddy!

http://www.google.com/search?q=frank+marshall+davis&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX2Y3utu_bAhVQqlkKHUv0BjkQiR4I4AE&biw=1920&bih=900 (http://www.google.com/search?q=frank+marshall+davis&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX2Y3utu_bAhVQqlkKHUv0BjkQiR4I4AE&biw=1920&bih=900)

BTW,with an American citizen daddy and American citizen baby mama,what does that make Barry?

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Emjay on June 25, 2018, 06:42:36 pm
@Emjay

I know for a fact he was born where his mother was living. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

And I also know his mother was nobody special back them and had no idea her child would be president one day,so there was no reason for her to hide his birth. Hell,she CELEBRATED the idea of people thinking she was   pregnant by a black boyfriend from Africa because it gave her status as a "Free Thinker" with the left.

Although *I* would be willing to bet money the REAL baby daddy was Frank Marshall Davis,a communist revolutionary black,convicted child molester,and bi-sexual. Look at these images and tell me this isn't his daddy!

http://www.google.com/search?q=frank+marshall+davis&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX2Y3utu_bAhVQqlkKHUv0BjkQiR4I4AE&biw=1920&bih=900 (http://www.google.com/search?q=frank+marshall+davis&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX2Y3utu_bAhVQqlkKHUv0BjkQiR4I4AE&biw=1920&bih=900)

BTW,with an American citizen daddy and American citizen baby mama,what does that make Barry?

Apparently it is very important to you to believe this story which was totally created by Obama.

So, have fun with that.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: MOD3 on June 25, 2018, 06:47:20 pm
Ok people enough with the Obama truther distractions on this thread.  We have a section where you can argue Conspiracy Theories.

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Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2018, 06:49:25 pm
Apparently it is very important to you to believe this story which was totally created by Obama.

So, have fun with that.

@Emjay

And it is apparently very important to you to not believe your lying eyes or what the record states because you love a good conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: MOD3 on June 25, 2018, 06:53:50 pm
Knock off the Obama truther/birthcertificate/place of birth stuff. NOW!

@sneakypete @Emjay neither one of you are going to get the last word in on this, I will, so stop trying.

This isn't the thread for that.

Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 25, 2018, 06:56:43 pm
Knock off the Obama truther/birthcertificate/place of birth stuff. NOW!

This isn't the thread for that.

Well there was that one girlfriend - the dusky lass with the receding hairline.

(https://bellalu0.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/obama-boyfriend1.png)


Cn we discuss his boyfriend before he hooked up with some one with a bigger package?


Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: Emjay on June 25, 2018, 07:06:11 pm
Knock off the Obama truther/birthcertificate/place of birth stuff. NOW!

@sneakypete @Emjay neither one of you are going to get the last word in on this, I will, so stop trying.

This isn't the thread for that.

But, Mommy, he started it.  Just joking.  I'm out.
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: MOD3 on June 25, 2018, 07:28:03 pm
But, Mommy, he started it.  Just joking.  I'm out.

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*looks around*
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: WingNot on June 25, 2018, 07:48:22 pm
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*looks around*

Double Dog Dare!   LOL
Title: Re: Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on June 26, 2018, 12:21:17 am
If ever a thread deserved to be locked/hosed out, . . . . this is it.


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