Hasn't this been policy since cigar man?
Hasn't this been policy since cigar man?
Mrs. Bush is correct. These children must be without delay, reunited with their parents in their parent's home country.
Hey @Right_in_Virginia the other Mrs. Trump, Melainia, not you,
Mrs. Bush is correct. These children must be without delay, reunited with their parents in their parent's home country.
Why do you waste so much of your time trying to be funny?
Mrs. Bush is correct. These children must be without delay, reunited with their parents in their parent's home country.
How many children were separated from their parents because of your husband's stupid wars, Laura?
Not policy, it's been the lawWell it's hard to tell when dealing with democrats. They consider both the Constitution and laws to be fluid.
anybody with the last name Bush is hurting this country.Now wait a minute, there is that baked bean guy.
These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history. We also know that this treatment inflicts trauma; interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who were not interned.
Mrs. Bush is correct. These children must be without delay, reunited with their parents in their parent's home country.
anybody with the last name Bush is hurting this country.
Absolutely without delay. I think everyone could approve of them being reunited in their own county. Maybe the Bush family can shoulder the burden of taking care of all these children instead of the taxpayer.
I can't stand the Bushes. Screw each and every one of them.
The Bush's were silent for 8 years of Obama. As he brought in our enemies, bowed to foreign Kings, and used tax money to kill unborn babies.
But now they care about the children???
2 wrongs don't make a right.
We are the most or among the most charitable people on earth, it be an earthquake or some calamity hits a part of the world.
This is just to tug at the heartstrings.
We all know what side the Bush's are on.
Yes we do. The Bushes are shameless globalist neocons. No member of the Bush family should ever
try to tell the rest of us right from wrong. How many died due to the Bushes open borders policies
How many died due to the endless wars the Bushes got us into. How many died due to abortion
supported by the Bush women.
It is clear that Bushes are aligned with the DNC with this manufacturer outrage over a policy that
has been in effect for decades. The Bushes have no shame. Hopefully now ever American
conservative will be able to see the Bushes for what they really are. Anti-American globalists.
Shameless. So called Republicans that don't support the laws in our country. These laws are meant to keep people safe. I just watched and interview between CBS and the Border Patrol officer. They shut it down quick when he mentioned the dangers of crossing the border illegally. He mentioned a number of rescues. These people are breaking the law and they are putting those children in danger. Every year they find the remains of people who have drowned in the Rio Grand or died in the desert. These so called "parents" dragging their small children along so that they can make American money and go home to buy beach front property.
Those are the people who are putting children in danger. The children are lucky to make it to a facility where they receive medical attention. Food, water and clean clothing.
And the globalists continue to encourage people to risk their lives crossing northern mexico to enter illegally. Many are murdered, raped, robbed or just die from the desert they are sneaking through.
Those are the people who are putting children in danger. The children are lucky to make it to a facility where they receive medical attention. Food, water and clean clothing.
@TomSea
What are the two wrongs? I see nothing wrong from caring for the children of people arrest for breaking the law.
My perspective is per amnesty, give the parents amnesty, wrong #1, is likely to lead to giving the children amnesty.
Now, in this case, amnesty might not mean giving out citizenship, it could even mean giving these people legal status permanently or temporarily.
Of course, caring for these people is okay in that.
@driftdriver
This issue resonates with Christians who have been supplanted by the alt-right in the GOP. Every picture of a crying child on the border will cost GOP votes, because some Republicans still have human emotions.
This issue resonates with Christians who have been supplanted by the alt-right in the GOP. Every picture of a crying child on the border will cost GOP votes, because some Republicans still have human emotions.
Come on man. Pubs have no heart.
You're right, you got us. Children should be sent along with whoever tries to bring them in. Of course, we don't know if they are coming in with parents or trafficers, but who cares? It's all about how WE feel.It's not a matter of getting you. It's an observation few on this board recognize. Probably don't want to recognize...easier to pretend the other side is rooting for traffickers.
Mrs. Bush is correct. These children must be without delay, reunited with their parents in their parent's home country.
This issue resonates with Christians who have been supplanted by the alt-right in the GOP. Every picture of a crying child on the border will cost GOP votes, because some Republicans still have human emotions.
It's not a matter of getting you. It's an observation few on this board recognize. Probably don't want to recognize...easier to pretend the other side is rooting for traffickers.
Let's see here ... let the bleeding hearts attend a prayer vigil where innocent AMERICAN LEGAL CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, have been either, raped, murdered, kidnapped, or maimed by an illegal alien and let's see how they feel afterwards. Let's see their human emotions then. We're talking toddlers, infants, children, mothers, fathers, brother, sisters from all walks of life; students, nurses, police officers, teachers, homemakers, etc.!
You seem to believe every illegal is evil. I do not. I also don't think every border patriot is complicit in hate crimes against illegals.
"Getting me"? Not sure what that means.I quoted you "You're right, you got us."
And, no, I don't think "the other side" is rooting for traffickers. That's a silly accusation. I think they are woefully ignorant though.Again I quoted your silly accusation "Children should be sent along with whoever tries to bring them in. Of course, we don't know if they are coming in with parents or trafficers, but who cares?"
Enough of them are, to justify having a policy that makes it much more difficult to enter, and to dissuade most from even trying.Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent. We will see.
I quoted you "You're right, you got us."Again I quoted your silly accusation "Children should be sent along with whoever tries to bring them in. Of course, we don't know if they are coming in with parents or trafficers, but who cares?"
I know I'm not writing ideas you want to hear or consider, but really?
Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent. We will see.
You seem to believe every illegal is evil. I do not. I also don't think every border patriot is complicit in hate crimes against illegals.
You seem to believe every illegal is evil. I do not. I also don't think every border patriot is complicit in hate crimes against illegals.
Comments like this do not do your credibility favors. In case you care.
Please don't tell me what I believe. EVERY and yes, I mean EVERY immigrant entering into this country ILLEGALLY IS indeed ILLEGAL. I didn't say that they were all evil. They are ILLEGAL. They should be forbidden from entering this country period; children included. That's why a border wall is needed.
Those that are already here, if caught, should be deported. NO perks. NO benefits. NO jobs. NO medical. Deportation period. I don't care how educated or uneducated they are; they are still illegal. Deport them.
What credibility?
He's had none for quite some time now IMHO.
Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent. We will see.
Please don't tell me what I believe. EVERY and yes, I mean EVERY immigrant entering into this country ILLEGALLY IS indeed ILLEGAL. I didn't say that they were all evil. They are ILLEGAL. They should be forbidden from entering this country period; children included. That's why a border wall is needed.
Those that are already here, if caught, should be deported. NO perks. NO benefits. NO jobs. NO medical. Deportation period. I don't care how educated or uneducated they are; they are still illegal. Deport them.
Comments like this do not do your credibility favors. In case you care.It's sweet of you to be concerned about my credibility @skeeter .
Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. We don't typically rip families apart for misdemeanors.
Hey @Right_in_Virginia the other Mrs. Trump, Melainia, not you, agrees with Laura Bush.
Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. We don't typically rip families apart for misdemeanors.
I hate to pile on. Well actually I do, but in this case I concur. Once left us some time ago. I wish him well in his new skin.@Wingnut
Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent. We will see.
This is the nugget that pisses me off the most.
@corbe At least spell her name right. Melania did not agree with Laura. Her statement was for compassion but not open borders. You either have border control or you don't.
Hell @Emjay the guy that married her can't even spell her name right, on occasion, why are you busting my balls?
Hell @Emjay the guy that married her can't even spell her name right, on occasion, why are you busting my balls?
This issue resonates with Christians who have been supplanted by the alt-right in the GOP. Every picture of a crying child on the border will cost GOP votes, because some Republicans still have human emotions.
I find it Ironic, a girl busting your balls.
Please don't tell me what I believe. EVERY and yes, I mean EVERY immigrant entering into this country ILLEGALLY IS indeed ILLEGAL. I didn't say that they were all evil. They are ILLEGAL. They should be forbidden from entering this country period; children included. That's why a border wall is needed.
Those that are already here, if caught, should be deported. NO perks. NO benefits. NO jobs. NO medical. Deportation period. I don't care how educated or uneducated they are; they are still illegal. Deport them.
You have accidentally stumbled onto a sad truth. If people can be wrongly convinced that children are being systematically abused, they don't like it. And with the media pounding it, how many look for the real truth of the situation.
The truth is that the parents are knowingly putting their children into a situation in which the children have to be separated and kept safe. The children are probably better housed and fed than they have been in their whole lives.
The truth is that the parents are knowingly putting their children into a situation in which the children have to be separated and kept safe. The children are probably better housed and fed than they have been in their whole lives.
@Emjay
I disagree, most Americans realize that even if the cage picture were true it would still be a vast improvement over where those kids came from. At least they are safe and not being beaten or raped.
But unfortunately that was an Obama era pic, today they are housed in dorms with all kinds of fun stuff to do.
@Emjay
I disagree, most Americans realize that even if the cage picture were true it would still be a vast improvement over where those kids came from.
They’re not cages, they’re freedom spaces demarcated by patriot wire
@Once-Ler@driftdiver
You're folks are the ones that called 'em cages
They’re not cages, they’re freedom spaces demarcated by patriot wire
It's sweet of you to be concerned about my credibility @skeeter .
Trump is kidnapping children? Really?
Yes, and throwing them in concentration camps. Keep up, Skeeter.
Yes, and throwing them in concentration camps. Keep up, Skeeter.
...and firing their parents off into the sun.
Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun
But mama, that's where the fun is.
@driftdiver
I quoted you "cage picture." Why can't you follow a conversation?
another runner in the night
Revved up like adouchedeuce.
LOL.
I thought about it but I wasn't sure how I'd clean it up.
Nice job.
LOL.
I thought about it but I wasn't sure how I'd clean it up.
Nice job.
Well the song was written by a douche.
Well the song was written by a douche.
You seem to believe every illegal is evil. I do not. I also don't think every border patriot is complicit in hate crimes against illegals.I don't think every illegal is evil, but I most truly believe they are in no way deserving of being rewarded for breaking the law and cutting in line in front of all the legal immigrants following the rules and waiting years to for their turn.............like my parents and thousands upon thousands like them! These poor souls (Sarcasm) feel they have the right to come into America and leach off of legal immigrants and American citizens because they believe this is their land and we stole it, it's just the Brown version of reparations.
Remember when everyone thought that was the lyric!... :whistle:LOL
Man we are old! :smokin:
Remember when everyone thought that was the lyric!... :whistle:LOL
Man we are old! :smokin:
Oh, yeah, I remember.
The Bushes aren't stupid - they know this whole 'separating children' farce they are willingly weighing in on is DNC political strategy.
Comments like this do not do your credibility favors. In case you care.
Oh, yeah, I remember.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Laura...
Hush your mouth.
Cry me a freaking river. Stupid, smelly illegal aliens need to be kicked out. Period. Enforce the law.
@skeeter
Exactly! They are Dims anyway.The only reason Prescott Sr ran as a Republican was because it was the slot that was open.
BTW,the Bush men ARE stupid to the bone. The smart ones in that family are the wives that give them their marching orders.
@madmaximus
They aren't very stupid because they are obviously smart enough to know they need to escape socialist Mexico if they want to get ahead in life,while it seems a majority of American voters want to make America socialist.
Remember when everyone thought that was the lyric!... :whistle:LOL
Man we are old! :smokin:
Revved up like adouchedeuce.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoncXfYBAVI#)Hey have you got one of those where children that lost a parent to illegals or parents that lost a child to illegals get to talk about it?
No, consider the deuce (SP) bag singing it.
Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent. We will see.
Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. We don't typically rip families apart for misdemeanors.
So if the only known family member is jailed for a 30 day sentence, do we send the child to jail? Or do we separate the child from the family?
Don Surber: Laura Bush shows Democrats are desperate (http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/06/laura-bush-shows-democrats-have-no.html?spref=tw)
This is the nugget that pisses me off the most.Exactly why is separating kids from parents at the border any different than separating kids from a parent sent off to prison?
Exactly why is separating kids from parents at the border any different than separating kids from a parent sent off to prison?
Are you advocating we never send to prison any parent who breaks the law?
You seem to believe every illegal is evil. I do not. I also don't think every border patriot is complicit in hate crimes against illegals.By definition, to be illegal is evil.
You must be new here. :laugh:
Trump thinks kidnapping children is a great deterrent. We will see.Singling out Trump and avoiding what others did is the height of bias.
You know he's not. Can't answer the question?
Cry me a freaking river. Stupid, smelly illegal aliens need to be kicked out. Period. Enforce the law.Welcome to TBR and I like your short, complete sentences. @madmaximus
Welcome to TBR and I like your short, complete sentences.
Every post I have entered has answered this question.
Stop trying to stir up shit.
Every post I have entered has answered this question.You continue to dig, and lack any credibility whatsoever.
Stop trying to stir up shit.
What a pathetic misrepresentation of the reality.
Do you use the same description of children with Child Services when the only known family is in jail?
Is bringing a child with you supposed to be an automatic get-out-of-jail free card?
Remember what? :cool:
Here you go ... I apologize for thinking you read posts.
I do not support keeping the children and their adult sponsors here if they entered this country illegally.
Hopefully you're now both free to move on.
@IsailedawayfromFR
@Sanguine
Exactly why is separating kids from parents at the border any different than separating kids from a parent sent off to prison?
Are you advocating we never send to prison any parent who breaks the law?
@To-Whose-Benefit?
You are equating ME to that weasel and calling me a deuce (douche) bag?
Hey have you got one of those where children that lost a parent to illegals or parents that lost a child to illegals get to talk about it?That is your job.
@IsailedawayfromFR and to follow that line of "thinking" from RiV I guess we should never send a military member with a family on a deployment from here on out because it separates children from their parents.the left has developed a strategy of 'It's to help the children' to establish its new position of destroying this country to its ends.
That is your job.@GtHawk Translation: It is a one way street as the agenda must be followed, at all costs.
the left has developed a strategy of 'It's to help the children' to establish its new position of destroying this country to its ends.
From the killing of "innocent kids" like Police: 8th Grader Shot, Killed After Stealing Car http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car (http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car)
to saying not providing food stamps or health insurance to kids is 'killing kids" are "making them go to sleep hungry"
to the current separation of kids from their parents.
the left has developed a strategy of 'It's to help the children' to establish its new position of destroying this country to its ends.
From the killing of "innocent kids" like Police: 8th Grader Shot, Killed After Stealing Car http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car (http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car)
to saying not providing food stamps or health insurance to kids is 'killing kids" are "making them go to sleep hungry"
to the current separation of kids from their parents.
the left has developed a strategy of 'It's to help the children' to establish its new position of destroying this country to its ends.
From the killing of "innocent kids" like Police: 8th Grader Shot, Killed After Stealing Car http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car (http://www.fox19.com/story/5578088/police-8th-grader-shot-killed-after-stealing-car)
to saying not providing food stamps or health insurance to kids is 'killing kids" are "making them go to sleep hungry"
to the current separation of kids from their parents.
That is your job.Because you can't be bothered to to be honest? Now where is it I can always expect a one sided argument that uses propaganda to support itself?
@txradioguy
Eight years She was too busy babysitting Boy Jorge when they were in the WH to have time to make any public statements.
Even then he was running around kissing men in public when she wasn't around.Bush was First Lady and not one word from her on this issue.
By definition, to be illegal is evil.As good as any other child of God.
Do you believe they are good?
@GtHawk Translation: It is a one way street as the agenda must be followed, at all costs.You're babbling like your leader.
As good as any other child of God.
Because you can't be bothered to to be honest? Now where is it I can always expect a one sided argument that uses propaganda to support itself?http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=116233 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=116233)
As good as any other child of God.
In their own country. We can't have everybody who wants to come here live here.Why?
@Once-Ler
Talk about babbel
God says we are all sinners. So you're saying all these illegals are evil yes even the children.
You're babbling too.
Why?
@Once-Lerno
Just admit, you don't think America should have borders and anyone who wants to should be able to come here and live off those of us who pay taxes.
You really have to ask?I didn't think you had a good answer.
Why?
@INVAR
Some are intent on conquering the country from within.
Some are illiterate - even in their own language.
Some have absolutely zero to offer an American culture and society by their living here.
Some have hostile intents.
Some intend to live off the wealth of everyone else.
Some just want to squat here and have a little fiefdom by themselves.
Some hate liberty.
Some hate Christians.
Some hate our form of Constitutional government.
Some are foreign agents and actors for the purpose of spying or disrupting.
Some are a public health threat.
Many will be a drain on the public and the country.
I didn't think you had a good answer.The answer is we cannot support everyone who wants to come here without raising taxes to ridiculous levels, not to mention the further dilution of our culture with elements that are not compatible with our traditions.
Sounds like "some" Americans. I appreciate the reply and I'll take it as an admission that "some" illegals are not these things.
The answer is we cannot support everyone who wants to come here without raising taxes to ridiculous levels, not to mention the further dilution of our culture with elements that are not compatible with our traditions.Rising taxes are cause by increases in population? Hard working Catholics are not compatible...you could be correct on that one. Not a great answer but heartfelt I'm sure.
Are we really that stupid to assume the lessons of what happens when you let barbarians into your gates and pay for their livelihoods is not going to be visited upon us?
The difference is, we have enough problems with our own natural-born citizenry, we need not facilitate the invasion of third world squatters who will further the strain on our culture and economy seeing as we have open borders to a welfare state.
Which is suicide for a nation to be encouraging and making excuses for.
Does history teach us nothing anymore? Are we really that stupid to assume the lessons of what happens when you let barbarians into your gates and pay for their livelihoods is not going to be visited upon us?
Rising taxes are cause by increases in population? Hard working Catholics are not compatible...you could be correct on that one. Not a great answer but heartfelt I'm sure.
I don't see the world you see. I don't think taxes need to be raised because we import workers. Latinos comprise 16-17% of our population it seems to me laughable that one could claim they dilute our culture. I believe they enhance our culture, and they are very compatible with our traditions. In fact since it is Tuesday I'm gonna go get a couple tacos.
Rising taxes are cause by increases in population? Hard working Catholics are not compatible...you could be correct on that one. Not a great answer but heartfelt I'm sure.
I don't see the world you see. I don't think taxes need to be raised because we import workers. Latinos comprise 16-17% of our population it seems to me laughable that one could claim they dilute our culture. I believe they enhance our culture, and they are very compatible with our traditions. In fact since it is Tuesday I'm gonna go get a couple tacos.
The true problem is the welfare state not immigration.
American history is nearly 200 years of open borders. The true problem is the welfare state not immigration. Reducing immigration will not end American socialism.
American history is nearly 200 years of open borders.
American history is nearly 200 years of open borders. The true problem is the welfare state not immigration. Reducing immigration will not end American socialism.
Rising taxes are cause by increases in population? Hard working Catholics are not compatible...you could be correct on that one. Not a great answer but heartfelt I'm sure.
I don't see the world you see. I don't think taxes need to be raised because we import workers. Latinos comprise 16-17% of our population it seems to me laughable that one could claim they dilute our culture. I believe they enhance our culture, and they are very compatible with our traditions. In fact since it is Tuesday I'm gonna go get a couple tacos.
Can you name one other country on this planet that does not enforce it's borders?
American history is nearly 200 years of open borders.
WRONG.
Start with the 1924 Immigration Act to discover how incorrect such an statement is.
WRONG.
Start with the 1924 Immigration Act to discover how incorrect such an statement is.
No, not true. My family goes way back, and they had to enter legally.
TThese invaders generally cost the "host" nations a great deal, in welfare, increased crime, and in cultural problems due to non-assimilation.
So spare us, the "alt-right," and "racism" bullshit.
The citizens of each nation are entirely reasonable to expect their governments to enforce borders and immigration laws.
Disingenuous. Your family entered legally because it wasn't illegal to enter. No law had been written to exclude them.
Can you name one other country on this planet that does not enforce it's borders?I'm all for enforcing the (I'll use the Trump spelling so you know I'm on your side) boarders against criminals, and terrorists...not janitors and farm laborers.
I'm all for enforcing the (I'll use the Trump spelling so you know I'm on your side) boarders against criminals, and terrorists...not janitors and farm laborers.
Oh, so you can magically tell the difference between a terrorist and a janitor?
WRONG.
Start with the 1924 Immigration Act to discover how incorrect such an statement is.
@Once-Ler
Can we at least agree that having open borders and a welfare state is the height of insanity?
And seeing as how nobody is really interested in dismantling the welfare state, then the only other option would be to drastically reform our immigration system, to the point of dissuading most people from coming here in the first place?
In Truth, the US and much of Europe are under invasion by poorly educated, poor people from Third World shitholes.
The particulars differ, from nation to nation.
The citizens of the richer target nations are NOT racist for opposing said invasions. To the contrary, their ill-conceived "white guilt" plus Judeo-Christian generosity are among the reasons it has gone this far.
TThese invaders generally cost the "host" nations a great deal, in welfare, increased crime, and in cultural problems due to non-assimilation.
So spare us, the "alt-right," and "racism" bullshit.
The citizens of each nation are entirely reasonable to expect their governments to enforce borders and immigration laws.
Or letting in people who want to work, so we can focus on the people who should be excluded.
We have enough people already.says you
Thomas Paine @Thomas1774Paine
5h5 hours ago
We should all listen to #LauraBush on keeping families together. After all, it was her husband who helped reunite the Bin Laden kids with their parents by whisking them out of the United States after 9/11.
says you
OK so from 1776-1924 is 148 years. Add to the fact that the 1924 Immigration Act essentially was to restrict Asians and it brings us to 1965 and the Hart-Cellar Act. When immigration was restricted by skills and family already residing in the USA.
For nearly 200 years you didn't need to speak English or know our civic duties.
Some of the people at TBR may not like what I am about to say, but here it goes....
I don't know where everyone lives who is on TBR, some put there locations, others do not.
What I have noticed is that the people who are the most ardent anti-illegal immigration people on this forum, as much as they put their locations out there, are from the southwest.
Like myself they come from, Texas, or New mexico, Arizona, and California.
There is a reason for that.
No, it is not racism, far from it.
From the time we are born, we are quite familiar with our neighbors, classmates, friends, co-workers and relatives (yes, in many cases) who's origins come from south of our border.
They are part of our lives, from day one.
Spain, then Mexico, controlled these territories before Texas, and then the USA did.
Heck, we would be be shocked if they were not here.
I find it funny now, but growing up, the people here legally with origins from south of the border would make fun of those here illegally, more so than any of us Anglos did.
They had a bit of a resentment, that they were from here, or came in the legal way, while these other did not.
These people still exist, and still don't believe in illegal immigration, but you will not see them on the evening news.
They do not fit the narrative.
No, we are adamantly opposed to it, as we see the damages done daily.
There are post here daily about one crime or another done be someone previously deported, who came back and harmed, or worse, killed someone.
We know that 15% of the Prison population in Texas is comprised of Illegals, as is 15% of our public schools, in our metro areas.
These are expenses paid by us, that needn't be, if we stop illegal immigration,Imagine 15% savings in these areas, by a United States massively in debt.
These aren't all poor asylum seekers looking for a better life.
Were any you aware that most of them have been coached on what to say when they arrive?
We here in the border states know this to be true.
As far as the farmer needing his crops picked?
Some still happens, but modern technology has made most of that a moot point.
No its not racism, or greed, or lack of compassion that drives us to be anti-illegal immigration.
It is seeing how it is destroying families, taken by a DWI or a senseless crime, committed by someone who is not allowed to be here in the first place.
Trust me, the poor illegal immigrant you see today isn't Jose and Maria, crossing the Rio Grande, looking to the new land of the Pharaohs for sanctuary.
I think we would all welcome them. Truly persecuted, we wouldn't we?
It is the schemers who call themselves dreamers who exploit this daily, trained on exactly how to act and what to say when they, only to disappear into the woodwork long before their court date arrives.
Some of the people at TBR may not like what I am about to say, but here it goes....
I don't know where everyone lives who is on TBR, some put there locations, others do not.
What I have noticed is that the people who are the most ardent anti-illegal immigration people on this forum, as much as they put their locations out there, are from the southwest.
Like myself they come from, Texas, or New mexico, Arizona, and California.
There is a reason for that.
No, it is not racism, far from it.
From the time we are born, we are quite familiar with our neighbors, classmates, friends, co-workers and relatives (yes, in many cases) who's origins come from south of our border.
They are part of our lives, from day one.
Spain, then Mexico, controlled these territories before Texas, and then the USA did.
Heck, we would be be shocked if they were not here.
I find it funny now, but growing up, the people here legally with origins from south of the border would make fun of those here illegally, more so than any of us Anglos did.
They had a bit of a resentment, that they were from here, or came in the legal way, while these other did not.
These people still exist, and still don't believe in illegal immigration, but you will not see them on the evening news.
They do not fit the narrative.
No, we are adamantly opposed to it, as we see the damages done daily.
There are post here daily about one crime or another done be someone previously deported, who came back and harmed, or worse, killed someone.
We know that 15% of the Prison population in Texas is comprised of Illegals, as is 15% of our public schools, in our metro areas.
These are expenses paid by us, that needn't be, if we stop illegal immigration,Imagine 15% savings in these areas, by a United States massively in debt.
These aren't all poor asylum seekers looking for a better life.
Were any you aware that most of them have been coached on what to say when they arrive?
We here in the border states know this to be true.
As far as the farmer needing his crops picked?
Some still happens, but modern technology has made most of that a moot point.
No its not racism, or greed, or lack of compassion that drives us to be anti-illegal immigration.
It is seeing how it is destroying families, taken by a DWI or a senseless crime, committed by someone who is not allowed to be here in the first place.
Trust me, the poor illegal immigrant you see today isn't Jose and Maria, crossing the Rio Grande, looking to the new land of the Pharaohs for sanctuary.
I think we would all welcome them. Truly persecuted, we wouldn't we?
It is the schemers who call themselves dreamers who exploit this daily, trained on exactly how to act and what to say when they, only to disappear into the woodwork long before their court date arrives.
At the end of the day what's really sad is that Laura Bush and the open borders folks here in TBR don't give a crap if these kids are with actual family members or human smugglers/sex traffickers.
Because if they truly cares about "the children" they'd want the pervs and the skin peddlers separated from these kids to protect them.
See INS in part water the separation so they would be able to determine in an isolated area AWAY from the "relative" if it was really a relative or if it was someone who's kidnapped them from their real family.
But hey I guess the real health and welfare if these kids doesn't matter as long as you're projecting the right political optics 8n an election year.
And the folks imposing Open Borders on the rest of us can hide behind their gated communities and spare themselves from the consequences.
And the folks imposing Open Borders on the rest of us can hide behind their gated communities and spare themselves from the consequences.
For awhile perhaps.
We know that 15% of the Prison population in Texas is comprised of Illegals, as is 15% of our public schools, in our metro areas.
These are expenses paid by us, that needn't be, if we stop illegal immigration,Imagine 15% savings in these areas, by a United States massively in debt.
You KNOW this, so tell me how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals please.
And the folks imposing Open Borders on the rest of us can hide behind their gated communities and spare themselves from the consequences.I can't even
You KNOW this, so tell me how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals please.
Disingenuous. Your family entered legally because it wasn't illegal to enter. No law had been written to exclude them. My great grandparents emigrated at the beginning of the 20th century. They spoke no English, had no money, and no visa. They gathered in a small but growing Polish community called Steven's Point WI to work on the railroads and lumber mills. Much like the Chinese did 20 years earlier. But Congress passed a law because people said the same racist crap they say about latinos. They don't integrate, they spread disease, they're criminals...so the government excluded Chinese people.
The battle over illegal immigration began to get real traction with voters as Government became the provider for more and more American's substance and Americans became concerned that the gravy train was going to get smaller.
@dfwgator
Apparently illegals can only be janitors. Now who is racist.
From the Texas Department of Public Safety.
Please tell me what an acceptable level is, I am curious to know.
According to DHS status indicators, over 255,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and May 31, 2018, of which over 171,000 were classified as illegal aliens by DHS.
Between June 1, 2011 and May 31, 2018, these 171,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 265,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 495 homicide charges; 29,526 assault charges; 5,264 burglary charges; 33,637 drug charges; 350 kidnapping charges; 14,794 theft charges; 21,674 obstructing police charges; 1,537 robbery charges; 3,107 sexual assault charges; and 2,673 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 110,000 convictions including 219 homicide convictions; 12,244 assault convictions; 2,900 burglary convictions; 16,358 drug convictions; 144 kidnapping convictions; 6,642 theft convictions; 10,508 obstructing police convictions; 929 robbery convictions; 1,528 sexual assault convictions; and 1,167 weapon convictions.
I'd like to think zero, myself, one is too many, in my mind.
https://politics.theonion.com/stephen-miller-furious-at-propublica-for-only-releasing-1826958853QuoteStephen Miller Furious At ProPublica For Only Releasing 7-Minute Recording Of Immigrant Children Sobbing
“It’s unacceptable that this so-called news organization saw fit to foist this total tease of a clip on the American public,†said Miller, who expressed frustration that the audio, in which 10 detained Central American children can be heard crying out for their parents, ended before reaching “the really good stuff.†“Sure, they’re wailing ‘Mami’ and ‘Papa’ so hard they can’t breathe, and I guess the part where that 6-year-old desperately rattles off her aunt’s phone number is kind of satisfying, but ultimately it only conveys a very small fraction of what we’re doing here. I’ve listened to this recording dozens and dozens of times in the past day, and it’s just simply nowhere near enough to scratch the itch. Shame on you, ProPublica.â€
Good grief, Once-ler. Look at San Francisco. When you import a large population with a different culture, you get massive tax increases. Heck, working people can't afford to live in SF now. And, the numbers are very clear - immigrants cost us.
@Once-Ler
Sounds to me like he considers it to be "Music to choke your chicken by",and didn't reach full satisfaction because they cut him off early.
At the end of the day what's really sad is that Laura Bush and the open borders folks here in TBR don't give a crap if these kids are with actual family members or human smugglers/sex traffickers.
Because if they truly cared about "the children" they'd want the pervs and the skin peddlers separated from these kids to protect them.
See INS in part wanted the separation so they would be able to determine in an isolated area AWAY from the "relative" if it was really a relative or if it was someone who's kidnapped them from their real family.
But hey I guess the real health and welfare if these kids doesn't matter as long as you're projecting the right political optics in an election year.
@Once-Ler
We're not importing workers. We are failing to lock the door. Regardless, illegal immigration costs American taxpayers $135 billion a year in govt benefits and includes everything from welfare, food stamps, to medical care.
If you don't think they are dilluting our country and culture then I invite you to visit my area. Where entire towns have transitioned from small farming communities to areas where Spanish is the predominate language and all the business have signs in spanish.
The Onion for years had a great formula - everything they did was really hilarious stuff - but I guess it was just a matter of time before they went all SNL on us and delved into political partisanship.Yeah...you must be a big fan.
Tell me the percentage of illegals locked up in Wisconsin, please, and we'll talk.
FYI, they are not locked up for being here illegally.
Yes, my people has immigrated long before yours did, and they did come legally. Which, by definition, means there were laws governing immigration.
Right now, some of the refugee camps are probably a lot better than where these people are coming from, especially the ones on the road.
Yes. If I lived in Mexico I would send my children to America and guarantee they could be fed. Why does anybody think this will slow down?
If your ancestors emigrated long before my great grand parents then there were no laws governing them and you failed to read my post. I feel like I'm wasting my time here.
You first genius with all the BS facts.
We're a nation of dunces.
We are trillions upon trillions in debt. Our government is cancerously corrupt and borrowing with debt to pay debt to keep operations running.
We have open borders to a welfare state because that same government is intent on replacing the existing citizenry with third-world serfs and we are facilitating our own invasion by barbarians because we emote and no longer think.
Europe has already committed suicide and the fruits are self-evident every single day, while we are right behind them doubling down on stupidity.
It's a national security crisis. Trump should close the border, and end all immigration until a new system can be put in place.
It's a national security crisis.
We're a nation of dunces.
We are trillions upon trillions in debt. Our government is cancerously corrupt and borrowing with debt to pay debt to keep operations running.
We have open borders to a welfare state because that same government is intent on replacing the existing citizenry with third-world serfs and we are facilitating our own invasion by barbarians because we emote and no longer think.
Europe has already committed suicide and the fruits are self-evident every single day, while we are right behind them doubling down on stupidity.
It's a national security crisis. Trump should close the border, and end all immigration until a new system can be put in place.
This is something that needs to be repeated too.
If you had an illegal from Guatemala and a Daesh terrorist from Afghanistan rounded up in the same raid and they're all wearing the same clothing...there is absolutely no way to tell them apart. The terrorists are using our porous Southers border to infiltrate the country.
This is something that needs to be repeated too.
If you had an illegal from Guatemala and a Daesh terrorist from Afghanistan rounded up in the same raid and they're all wearing the same clothing...there is absolutely no way to tell them apart. The terrorists are using our porous Southers border to infiltrate the country.
This kind of thing happens more than people realize.
Here's a link to the latest incident:
www.breitbart.com/.../05/17/pakistani-man-caught-texas-border-lied-fbi (http://www.breitbart.com/.../05/17/pakistani-man-caught-texas-border-lied-fbi)
If your ancestors emigrated long before my great grand parents then there were no laws governing them and you failed to read my post. I feel like I'm wasting my time here.
Yes. If I lived in Mexico I would send my children to America and guarantee they could be fed. Why does anybody think this will slow down?So you would encourage your children to become criminals.
If your ancestors emigrated long before my great grand parents then there were no laws governing them and you failed to read my post. I feel like I'm wasting my time here.
It's a national security crisis. Trump should close the border, and end all immigration until a new system can be put in place.
So you would encourage your children to become criminals.These people are criminals when they come in and remain criminals all the time they are here. This attitude of some that the only law they broke was crossing our border without permission is just asinine. Go into any welfare office in California and see who sits in the majority of seats. The illegals come here and the majority of them leach off American taxpayers, they pop out anchor after anchor because then they can get more money every month. They are schooled by democrats before they even get here on how to work the system and then are walked through it by our government employees, we feed them, clothe them, house them, and give them medical all for free and all at higher levels than we give our own American citizens. I don't know how many times some liberal fool has told me, usually when I make a complaint about an illegal running an illegal unregulated business putting Americans at risk, that they are just trying to make an honest living. How is it making an honest living violating multiple laws? they work under the table and pay no taxes, they file false tax returns and receive cash from those returns far in excess of what an honest American receives.
Great role model you provide.
These people are criminals when they come in and remain criminals all the time they are here. This attitude of some that the only law they broke was crossing our border without permission is just asinine. Go into any welfare office in California and see who sits in the majority of seats. The illegals come here and the majority of them leach off American taxpayers, they pop out anchor after anchor because then they can get more money every month. They are schooled by democrats before they even get here on how to work the system and then are walked through it by our government employees, we feed them, clothe them, house them, and give them medical all for free and all at higher levels than we give our own American citizens. I don't know how many times some liberal fool has told me, usually when I make a complaint about an illegal running an illegal unregulated business putting Americans at risk, that they are just trying to make an honest living. How is it making an honest living violating multiple laws? they work under the table and pay no taxes, they file false tax returns and receive cash from those returns far in excess of what an honest American receives.
They have taken over the fast food industry, and to an extent I don't blame them for that because it's the American teens parents and peers that vilified those entry level positions, but now even if a teen wants to work those jobs they are made to feel so uncomfortable, outsiders, because they don't speak the language of those around them only the the language of their country.
Every industry which employed unskilled or semi skilled employees has been affected by illegal immigration, and not just because of the liberals straw man of low wages. The construction industry has been hard hit in the same manner that started with fast food, and I do know this for a fact because I worked for many years in both, so unless you have the same experience please don't tell me how I'm wrong. My Son in Law runs large construction projects for a major Contractor here in California and sees the same damn thing.
Immigration is not only good for America, it is important, BUT uncontrolled immigration through uncontrolled borders is very very bad for America. And just because every Tom, Dick or Harry from south of our border believes they have the right to enter America any time they want and tap into the wallets of American taxpayers doesn't make it so!
I have told the story before, my parents had to wait for years in war torn Hungary, decimated by the Germans, Americans and even more so by the Russians to come to America. Even then my Dad kept his sense of humor, when the immigration judge asked him why he wanted to go to America he replied " Well Sir, every time I have been on the losing side, for once I want to be on the winning side", the judge smiled and approved my parents. My parents were required to have a financially responsible sponsor before they could immigrate, once here they were required to sign a contract that they would neither seek or accept any government aid. After five years they were American Citizens, read and spoke English the language of their new home, after ten they owned their home outright, they had four children whose births they paid for, not the taxpayer.
Here is the difference with the majority of the illegals coming here, they don't come to be Americans, they continue to give their allegiance to their country of birth as do their children. They from day one are reliant on the taxpayer to support them and their families and continue to milk the taxpayer. They do not want to assimilate, and they are not alone in this, it what the democrats want, the Mexicans and Central Americans don't have to assimilate, we bend over backwards to have everything in their language. The Somalians, Haitians, whatever refuse to assimilate they demand that we become subordinate to their cultures.
Having people of a like background and culture living together is nothing new, German towns, China Towns, Little Italy's and others have always been, the difference is that in the past those people took pride in their culture but wanted very much to be Americans and assimilate and more so for their children to grow up as Americans. Today with the Hispanics and Muslims? NO!
I guess you didn't bother to read my next post, where I put the statistic from the Texas Department of Public Safety.It didn't answer my question "how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals?"
Interesting. You only respond to 1/2 of my post and then complain that you're wasting your time. :shrug:@Sanguine
@Sanguine
Perhaps we are both wasting our time. :beer:
I don't think imported workers cost tax payers, and I agree open borders and welfare state are incompatible. I hope that is the response you've been waiting for.
It didn't answer my question "how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals?"
@Sanguine
Perhaps we are both wasting our time. :beer:
I don't think imported workers cost tax payers, and I agree open borders and welfare state are incompatible. I hope that is the response you've been waiting for.
Sort of. If we were talking about imported, and by implication, needed workers, then yes, we agree. ^-^The problem is under the current rules, even imported workers, let's just be honest and call them legal, very often to say the least are a welfare burden, having children they can't afford paid for by the state and receiving 'aid' to house, feed and provide medical treatment.
The problem is under the current rules, even imported workers, let's just be honest and call them legal, very often to say the least are a welfare burden, having children they can't afford paid for by the state and receiving 'aid' to house, feed and provide medical treatment.
Well, the welfare state isn't going away anytime soon. Pukes and Rats both will see to that.
$87 Trillion in unfunded liabilities with social security, medicade, and other govt entitlement programs.
@dfwgator
America's unfunded liabilities would beg to differ with your statement that welfare won't go away. One way or another it will go away eventually.
$87 Trillion in unfunded liabilities with social security, medicade, and other govt entitlement programs.
Senate (Repuke-Lickin Senate) rejects Trump plan to claw back spending
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending)
Senate (Repuke-Lickin Senate) rejects Trump plan to claw back spending
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/393284-senate-rejects-trump-plan-to-clawback-spending)
When I was a republican I would have argued that 48 GOP Senators voted to cut spending. Now I recognize that it's a ploy where the republicans point at the rats and the rats point at the GOP and nothing gets fixed.
Ok Laura, you happy now?
Now STFU!
Interesting. You only respond to 1/2 of my post and then complain that you're wasting your time. :shrug:
Crocodile Tears,@TomSea
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If neither is getting things done, that's on your back, I know our president is.
Who needs the faux compassion.
We should all answer @Sanguine fully since 80-90% of the time, that just means answering a sentence.
True. I like getting to the point.
The parents are the villains in this piece.As usual.
It didn't answer my question "how much of our workforce is comprised of illegals?"
You know that you can look that information up yourself don't you?
https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs (https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs)
Thank you for the link.
I hope that it helps you see the real and problematic issue of illegal immigration. Many people just don't see the issue because it doesn't affect them. In some cases with businesses and corporations they benefit. All those people do work, and therefore are taking American jobs and driving down our wages. Not only that but they know how to work the system and we end up paying to support their families.
The link reinforces my own opinion which is I have nothing to fear from foreign workers, they are not suppressing my wages. I'm glad so many are working, and I would submit these workers pay for their children's education by renting or paying property tax on a home. I'm sorry we don't agree.
I don't think a wall is going to get built. I think Trump's zero tolerance policy will eventually collapse under the weight of the huge increase in resources needed to incarcerate everybody.
America lost its mind over 2000 separated children. There are millions of illegals and we know Trump blinks when the people get loud. I'm fine with the de facto amnesty of nothing getting changed.
Illegal alien van driver arrested in Minnesota schoolbus tragedy
(http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-Graphics/CottonwoodMinnBusCrashVictims4kids.jpg)
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/21/illegal-alien-bus-driver-arrested-in-minnesota-school-tragedy/ (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/21/illegal-alien-bus-driver-arrested-in-minnesota-school-tragedy/)
The sad legacy of the Obama border orphans
The Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com (http://www.washingtontimes.com)
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Sober-minded patriots who believe America has borders and want to end the rapes, human trafficking and slavery caused by illegal immigration across the U.S.-Mexico line have been doing an awful lot of explaining this week.
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It should also be noted that the media coverage of the border orphans is the most dishonest, unhinged, detestable conspiracy they have ever undertaken.
Finally, these dishonest goons have found their Russian gulags to pin on President Trump.
Read more at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/20/sad-legacy-obama-border-orphans/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/20/sad-legacy-obama-border-orphans/)
In fact, just 2 days ago in Texas, there was that car crash that killed? 4 or 5 illegal alien types, so someone doesn't even have to search these stories out, I think they were in a car chase from law enforcement, those stories are so common, I didn't read about it in full, 3 weeks ago, that truck was found near that Walmart in San Antonio that had people in it in inhumane conditions. All this compassion does is just help out the most unscrupulous criminals smuggle people, criminals that would smuggle people in trucks often with little air to breathe. To those people, we must appear like the dumbest people on earth and the trafficking industry surely has billions in profits made yearly. That is what is inhumane.The crash that killed 5 was caused by an SUV smuggling, so it was not the illegals' fault.
If one wants to solve that problem, one would really have to overhaul the immigration system drastically. The libertarians, as in libertarian party, were for open borders until terrorism showed up, so now, they want some checks on it.
Opiates and other drugs are coming through our borders and waterways, more costs and more human suffering.
At least, we have some who are trying to effectively tackle this problem.
Yes. If I lived in Mexico I would send my children to America and guarantee they could be fed.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,320753.msg1717575.html#msg1717575 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,320753.msg1717575.html#msg1717575)
QuoteThe link reinforces my own opinion which is I have nothing to fear from foreign workers, they are not suppressing my wages.
Cool! We all know the world revolves around you,and what is good for you personally. This is a real load off my mind!QuoteI'm glad so many are working, and I would submit these workers pay for their children's education by renting or paying property tax on a home. I'm sorry we don't agree.
Ok,so you are a professional fool,it's not just a hobby. Thank you for clearing this up.
Does it bother you any if illegal aliens frequently kill Americans?
Perhaps, they should hire people like you who have so much compassion to go tell the families who have lost loved ones over this. Minnesota,
Must make you feel really big.
By the way, I think it is germane to the conversation that your hospitality and compassion does not extend to the most innocent among us, those in the womb, you post articles that show you are just out to get Trump and just like some other Trump haters, brought up some planned parenthood funding that was passed by the Republican controlled Senate and wanted to blame Trump, so you expected him to shut down the government even though Wisconsin Representative Paul Ryan's house passed a bill defunding Planned Parenthood which Trump said he'd signed but the Senate can't fix a flat tire. So, your outrage is really just phony at best.
We have the most pro-life president, but you seem to, as indicated by your signature, just trying to find something to do with racism.
And granting amnesty is going to cost billions and billions, these people will get their accommodations and that will cost millions as well; and in the end, perhaps just sent back home.
And not to worry, @Once-Ler says he would certainly send his kids to the US to become criminals.@IsailedawayfromFR
@IsailedawayfromFRA criminal disobeys laws. You said you would send your kids to the US if you lived in Mexico.
Not to become criminals...try looking at it again and see where your read comprehension failed. Good luck.
A criminal disobeys laws. You said you would send your kids to the US if you lived in Mexico.That's what they said about Frederick Douglass. The law is wrong.
You are the problem - supporting those who disobey our laws.
That's what they said about Frederick Douglass. The law is wrong.
What part of the law is wrong? The part that if the adult can't reasonably show that they are the parent, then the child is not allowed to go with them? Or, the part that if the parent is being taken to jail, the child cannot accompany them? Or, something else entirely?
The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part.
The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part.
Cool! We all know the world revolves around you,and what is good for you personally. This is a real load off my mind!
Ok,so you are a professional fool,it's not just a hobby. Thank you for clearing this up.
The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part.
That's not a part of this law.I might be unable to reply to your post as I don't understand the question.
A criminal disobeys laws. You said you would send your kids to the US if you lived in Mexico.
You are the problem - supporting those who disobey our laws.
That's what they said about Frederick Douglass. The law is wrong.
What part of the law is wrong? The part that if the adult can't reasonably show that they are the parent, then the child is not allowed to go with them? Or, the part that if the parent is being taken to jail, the child cannot accompany them? Or, something else entirely?
The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part.
That's not a part of this law.
I might be unable to reply to your post as I don't understand the question.
Come again?
Why should those who sneak in illegally be given preferences that those who are coming legally don't get?THEY FIGHT!!! /sarc
THEY FIGHT!!! /sarc
I'd submit that the illegals sneaking in would not allowed to legally enter, so why wouldn't they sneak in?
I don't believe you to be dense, so *****rollingeyes*****
"The get back in line and wait 7 years to be refused entry part" is not a part of the law.
I know the law isn't written that way but "get in line, wait 7 years, and we will deny you entry," is the reality of the law.
I know the law isn't written that way but "get in line, wait 7 years, and we will deny you entry," is the reality of the law.
So why wouldn't we do everything we can to prevent them from doing that?I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons.
No, not necessarily. And, even if so, so what? Our country, our rules, our laws.
I'm disappointed. You usually show more integrity than that.
No, not necessarily. And, even if so, so what? Our country, our rules, our laws.
I'm disappointed. You usually show more integrity than that.
So you really are just a complete open borders liberal. Thanks for coming out of the closet on that.
nobody is perfect.
THEY FIGHT!!! /sarcWhy?
I'd submit that the illegals sneaking in would not allowed to legally enter, so why wouldn't they sneak in?
I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons.Open up your own house and let them live there.
1 we have plenty of room.
2 we have jobs they can fill.
3 I have sympathy for their plight.
And, what does that have to do with presenting a deliberately fallacious argument?I again am unsure what you're talking about. I said the law is wrong. It should be changed. You say it's not the law. I disagree. I did not present a deliberately fallacious argument.
Why?
Because it is ILLEGAL.
You may say the law is wrong, but we Americans mostly believe the law to be correct.
Open up your own house and let them live there.
I choose not to do so.
I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons.
1 we have plenty of room.
2 we have jobs they can fill.
3 I have sympathy for their plight.
Not any more so than when an American kills an American, or a human kills another human.
I reject the silly notion that being killed by an illegal is somehow more horrendous than being killed in Chicago by an American hood.
Now this the part where you start babbling about how they're ILLEGAL...as if that term somehow changes the immigrant of today from the immigrants of the past.
And this is the part where I say "do something about it if you don't like it", but if your big issue is crime I suggest you stop focusing your efforts on excluding janitors, crop pickers, and other workers from the US because that is the vast majority of illegals
I feel sorry for you and the pathetic nature of that statement. You clearly feel very small. I think many Trump fans feel that way about themselves.
Stay on topic please. + really crappy psychoanalysis.
Hog wash. They are already here. Arresting, prosecuting and deporting them will cost more than illegals self identifying for amnesty...See DACA.
There is not much left of your argument so have a nice day @TomSea .
Why should those who sneak in illegally be given preferences that those who are coming legally don't get?
Seems then that US policy is anybody within walking distance qualifies for citizenship.
I'm fine with you keeping your home. They can be your neighbors if that helps
I'm fine with you keeping your home. They can be your neighbors if that helpsRepeat: you are indeed the problem with America.
I don't think imported workers cost tax payers.
I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons.
1 we have plenty of room.
2 we have jobs they can fill.
3 I have sympathy for their plight.
I wouldn't prevent them from entering for several reasons.
1 we have plenty of room.
2 we have jobs they can fill.
3 I have sympathy for their plight.
By all means, there is nothing stopping you from using your own money, wealth, time and property to provide for such people out of your own resources.
Your sympathy becomes tyranny when you expect the rest of us to share your sympathy and demand our tax money and efforts go towards assuaging your feelings to make provisions for foreigners.
Respectfully, @Once-Ler 's position seems so extreme, it's like the people wanting to legalize heroin or prostitution and does not appear to be worthy of debate.
Birthplace of Republican party, Ripon Wisconsin.
https://www.loc.gov/item/90705492/ (https://www.loc.gov/item/90705492/)
Madison I thought was thought to be at the forefront of pioneering liberalism in the US, I thought I heard that or somewhere in Wisconsin.
Whatever. There's not much reason to get steamed with such a position, I doubt one can change one's mind.... per free immigration, absolute forgiving of criminal wrongdoing, no borders, no rules.
In fact, just 2 days ago in Texas, there was that car crash that killed? 4 or 5 illegal alien types, so someone doesn't even have to search these stories out, I think they were in a car chase from law enforcement, those stories are so common, I didn't read about it in full, 3 weeks ago, that truck was found near that Walmart in San Antonio that had people in it in inhumane conditions. All this compassion does is just help out the most unscrupulous criminals smuggle people, criminals that would smuggle people in trucks often with little air to breathe. To those people, we must appear like the dumbest people on earth and the trafficking industry surely has billions in profits made yearly. That is what is inhumane.
If one wants to solve that problem, one would really have to overhaul the immigration system drastically. The libertarians, as in libertarian party, were for open borders until terrorism showed up, so now, they want some checks on it.
Opiates and other drugs are coming through our borders and waterways, more costs and more human suffering.
At least, we have some who are trying to effectively tackle this problem.
That is staggeringly clueless. Wow.@Sanguine
You can quit replying to me now. We're done.
@Once-LerI tossed no bigot card at you @TomSea, perhaps you feel some guilt on your own. I hope you have a mirror. I have never said foreigners first...I just haven't told them to go F themselves like President Trump.
Perhaps, next time, your kind toss out the bigot card, it's time for a good look in the mirror. We've got it, foreigners first.
Nice assumption that people here live in Section 8 housing.@txradioguy
"Imported workers" from Mexico and South America by and large have what family they have here stateside on welfare - a burden on taxpayers - while they send a whole lot of cash back home to relatives.
No. We have no room for third world refuse that no one wants whom are sneaking in here for freebies or hostile intentions. A majority have zero to little skill sets and whom have no intentions of assimilating into a distinct American culture, learn our language or BECOME an American.
First of all, we're BROKE. We cannot afford to pay for them to be here and to support them, which is why they are coming here.
Second of all, without insisting that an American culture be adopted and adhered to, we are being forced into adopting foreign culture that is anathema to our foundations and a danger to Constitutional liberty.
Well, the cheap labor without bennies aside, no. Unless they came in the front door with the proper paperwork, they are by law, prohibited from working here in this country.
By all means, there is nothing stopping you from using your own money, wealth, time and property to provide for such people out of your own resources.
Your sympathy becomes tyranny when you expect the rest of us to share your sympathy and demand our tax money and efforts go towards assuaging your feelings to make provisions for foreigners.
Are you really from Madison? If so, what in the sam hell do you know about the illegal immigration problem in the US? Your town is 78% white.@skeeter
Respectfully, @Once-Ler 's position seems so extreme, it's like the people wanting to legalize heroin or prostitution and does not appear to be worthy of debate.
Tom, it's one of those days when the stars and planets align and you and I agree. :beer:
@txradioguy
I live in a modest home in a Madison WI suburb.
@skeeter
Please don't hate me for the color of my skin.
I don't believe illegal workers are a burden.
I believe they work jobs nobody else wants to do.
They are working to pay for rich people to collect Social Security they can't themselves collect.
I believe illegals are afraid of deportation so they don't utilize the police
or other government freebies at as high a rate as Americans.
FAIR says there were 11.9 million illegals in 2010 They estimate the number of illegal aliens in the workforce at 8.5 million jobs. 71.4% The same number the Pew Hispanic Center came up with 71.4%
I believe it is indisputable that a higher percentage of illegals work than Americans.
Who the hell is going to support that lifestyle without the taxpaying workers? That is 8.5 million jobs I don't want to do but I want done right. I want my bank cleaned, and my burger cooked, and my oil changed, my lawn treated by competent workers. but I don't want to pay union wages to get it done. The solution is not to foist basket case Americans on businesses. American businesses don't want to hire the space cases, druggies, or relatives of @Wingnut . People that can't hold a job because they are unreliable. The felons and recently kicked off unemployment. I know this will likely be considered a hate crime by somebody but most employers don't want to hired people with face tattoos or recurring roles on Cops.
Again forcefully stated, but Womp Womp. The relevance of the Constitution to my modern life is almost nil.
If a law is not enforced, is it really a law?
My taxes pay for abortion, war, substandard education, political kickbacks, incompetent bureaucracy, and the lawyers paid to defend that crap...your going to tell me I don't have a voice in this issue because it infringes on your rights?
I'm a tyrant because I voice my opinion and we don't agree. Take a breath.
Of course not. I suppose we could say the same thing about rapists, drug pushers and pedophiles. Sure they have committed crimes, but until you are a victim - you see no 'burden'.
Perhaps after you have a family member killed by an illegal, drunk with no insurance who has been caught and deported several times beforehand - you might think otherwise.
Riiiight. And they also get welfare bennies we citizens are not afforded either.
Since ILLEGALS work for CASH or utilize stolen identities, how are they paying for SoSec exactly????
Tell that to the cops having to deal with MS-13, fatal drunk driving wrecks, hit and runs, home invasions, rapes, murders and other assorted sundry crimes that their population commits at a greater rate than the local populations they have invaded.
They get more free shit at my expense than citizens of this country receive.
11.9??? That's funny right there.
I don't care. They're criminals and should be treated as such.
So much for liberty and sovereignty in your world. Import the barbarians, get conquered from within by them.
Lesson from history.
Well that makes you no different than the Leftists who want it scrapped for Communism or the Populists who dismiss it for pragmatism.
Apparently "laws" only apply to existing American citizens who need to be subjugated and raped by their government, while being replaced by illegal aliens intent on reconquinista.
I'm telling you that when you use government to force me to subsidize those you want provisions given to illegal third world squatters because they are your pet charity - YES, I'm telling you that you are advocating and supporting tyranny. Period. End of sentence.
You're a tyrant because you support using government to put a gun to our heads to pay for an invasion by Mexico and South America. People you want to do shit you don't want to pay for, who are not citizens of this country and have no intentions of assimilating into our culture.
Who are you talking too @TomSea ? It's not yourself. You're debating me right now. You just did. This is a joke, yes?
An observation.
I repeat myself but if one wants to change the laws, go through congress.
It is an extreme view, sometimes, one does not wish to be confrontational.
It's allowing law breaking. We have laws.
Will someone please call the fire dept on this thread and have it put out?
Right! Laura hun fourteen pages in and you have at least one fully racist white bashing supporter of your stupidity.
Will someone please call the fire dept on this thread and have it put out?
Forcefully stated. Prove it and so what? Why do I care if the government gives my tax dollar to an illegal instead of paying the salary of Peter Strzok, the former John McCain, or Rudy Giuliani? I don't believe illegal workers are a burden. I believe they work jobs nobody else wants to do. I believe this because it is a fact. They are working to pay for rich people to collect Social Security they can't themselves collect. I believe illegals are afraid of deportation so they don't utilize the police or other government freebies at as high a rate as Americans.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs (https://www.fairus.org/issue/workforce-economy/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs)
FAIR says there were 11.9 million illegals in 2010 They estimate the number of illegal aliens in the workforce at 8.5 million jobs. 71.4% The same number the Pew Hispanic Center came up with 71.4%
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 (https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000)
The civilian labor force participation rate in 2010 was about 65%. I believe it is indisputable that a higher percentage of illegals work than Americans.
Lots of Americans don't have to work because Uncle Sam provides. Who the hell is going to support that lifestyle without the taxpaying workers? and there are 8.5 illegal million of them. That is 8.5 million jobs I don't want to do but I want done right. I want my bank cleaned, and my burger cooked, and my oil changed, my lawn treated by competent workers. but I don't want to pay union wages to get it done. The solution is not to foist basket case Americans on businesses. American businesses don't want to hire the space cases, druggies, or relatives of @Wingnut . People that can't hold a job because they are unreliable. The felons and recently kicked off unemployment. I know this will likely be considered a hate crime by somebody but most employers don't want to hired people with face tattoos or recurring roles on Cops.
and yet they are already here by the millions, already working by the millions, and many speak better English than my President.
I believe workers pay for themselves.
Again forcefully stated, but Womp Womp. The relevance of the Constitution to my modern life is almost nil.
Well then I guess 8.5 million are not really here. If a law is not enforced, is it really a law?
My taxes pay for abortion, war, substandard education, political kickbacks, incompetent bureaucracy, and the lawyers paid to defend that crap...your going to tell me I don't have a voice in this issue because it infringes on your rights?
I'm a tyrant because I voice my opinion and we don't agree. Take a breath.
You know what you do @Once-Ler All Americans according to you have absolutely nothing to offer employers. They are drug addicts, and welfare cases.....blah, blah, blah. If a corporation can't see that a person is missing their teeth from using too much meth its their problem. Hey, if the guy shows up for work in dark sunglasses there may be a problem? There are drug addict Hispanics too. We just had one didn't show up for work. In jail. Problem is hiring friends and relatives of employee's that don't work themselves. What happened to a good old fashioned interview where you judge the character of the person you intend on hiring. Oh believe me we have had some winners at our company and it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with sloppy management.
Hispanics don't do drugs or use welfare?
All Americans according to you have absolutely nothing to offer employers.I never said that, and I don't believe that. I believe current legal American workers are superior over illegal workers, on average, in every conceivable way. But when the unemployment rate dips below a certain point..I'll go with 5%...The worst 5% of America's workers (Druggies, criminals, insane, sociopaths, losers forced off welfare) compete with the best illegals. I believe American business should not be responsible for employing losers, and I don't think American business employing malfunctioning Americans is a benefit of border security.
They are drug addicts, and welfare cases.....blah, blah, blah.Most of the people currently not retired or employed? Absolutely.
If a corporation can't see that a person is missing their teeth from using too much meth its their problem. Hey, if the guy shows up for work in dark sunglasses there may be a problem?You sound like someone who interviews employees. I am too. I am ashamed of some of the losers...who I knew were loser...that I hired because nobody else applied. Sometimes we would have been better off shutting the company down for the night.
There are drug addict Hispanics too. We just had one didn't show up for work. In jail. Problem is hiring friends and relatives of employee's that don't work themselves. What happened to a good old fashioned interview where you judge the character of the person you intend on hiring. Oh believe me we have had some winners at our company and it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with sloppy management.
Hispanics don't do drugs or use welfare?
Wow someone has so many "I believes" in their post that I thought I was stuck in a warped Steve Martin bit.
There are people that believe the Earth is Flat, that Obama was born in Hawaii, that the moon landings were fake. Believing something doesn't make it true any more than clapping your hands kept Tinkerbell from dying when you were a child.@Quix I got nothing more to say <NOPE> You want a shot?
@Once-Ler
@GtHawk
<NOPE>.@Quix I got nothing more <NOPE> You want a shot?
@GtHawk
Have the balls to ping me when you slander me pu$$y.@Quix I got nothing more to say to this idiot. You want a shot?
that Obama was born in Hawaii,
@GtHawk
Obomber WAS born in Hawaii,and his mother WAS a US Citizen. He is NOT a foreigner,but he IS a traitor. If he WAS a foreigner,he would not and could not be a traitor.
WHY do people obsess over this conspiracy shit? Bathhouse Barry couldn't possibly be a bigger oxygen thief if it were all true,so HOW does it benefit anybody to hold close to BullBarack like it is a dearly loved child?
Focus on what is real. There is plenty of it to focus on.
I have some swampland in Arizona that I think you might be interested in. Or perhaps a bridge in Brooklyn!
@Bigun
Ok,oh,wise one. His mother was living in Hawaii when he was born. Please splain how he managed to be born somewhere else.
Obomber WAS born in Hawaii,and his mother WAS a US Citizen. He is NOT a foreigner,but he IS a traitor.
QuoteWell, adding to the thread-drift - I am convinced His Heinous Barrack I - was the love child of Frank Marshall Davis and Ann Dunham.
I would bet money on it. She married Obama Sr because he needed an American wife to stay in the US,and chances are he paid her money to marry him.QuoteSince her father was FBI assigned to keep tabs on Davis' Communist activities in HI, paying one of his former students from Africa to sign on as the baby daddy and marry his daughter on paper (Obama Sr. already had a wife in Kenya) was done to keep Dunham's job and bennies with the Bureau.
As I wrote above,I believe Obama paid her to marry him so he could stay in the US and continue his education. His family back home had the bucks to pay.
Bathhouse Barry is NEVER going to allow a blood test to be made because he enjoys the status of being the son of African royalty. It's what got him to where he is today.
Being the son of an American criminal,sworn communist, and child molester is not something to brag about on the campaign trail,though.
/thread drift.
Tom, it's one of those days when the stars and planets align and you and I agree. :beer:
@Sanguine
Are you calling someone a liberal?
@Sanguine
Are you calling someone a liberal?
@Bigun
Ok,oh,wise one. His mother was living in Hawaii when he was born. Please splain how he managed to be born somewhere else.
Yes, did everyone miss that bright star that shown over Hawaii when Obama was born?
I would bet money on it. She married Obama Sr because he needed an American wife to stay in the US,and chances are he paid her money to marry him.
As I wrote above,I believe Obama paid her to marry him so he could stay in the US and continue his education. His family back home had the bucks to pay.
Bathhouse Barry is NEVER going to allow a blood test to be made because he enjoys the status of being the son of African royalty. It's what got him to where he is today.
Being the son of an American criminal,sworn communist, and child molester is not something to brag about on the campaign trail,though.
/thread drift.
I often use sarcasm to make a point. I'm declaring this because I want you to know my reply contains no sarcasm.
That was the best reply I have read this hellish week, because I read it, and read it again, and read it again and I still don't think I'm getting some of your argument fully...but I want to.
You have presented your opinion without snark at me. I actually believe you want me to understand your points. Your points are not polished and not edited for clarity, but I have no doubt to your sincerity. I find the honesty of your post courageous because we at TBR have trained each other to attack first and think never.
I never said that, and I don't believe that. I believe current legal American workers are superior over illegal workers, on average, in every conceivable way. But when the unemployment rate dips below a certain point..I'll go with 5%...The worst 5% of America's workers (Druggies, criminals, insane, sociopaths, losers forced off welfare) compete with the best illegals. I believe American business should not be responsible for employing losers, and I don't think American business employing malfunctioning Americans is a benefit of border security. Most of the people currently not retired or employed? Absolutely.You sound like someone who interviews employees. I am too. I am ashamed of some of the losers...who I knew were loser...that I hired because nobody else applied. Sometimes we would have been better off shutting the company down for the night.
Sure they do. I have never said otherwise...I just don't think 12 million illegals are guilty of drugs and welfare fraud because some illegals are.
Again I commend you on your post. I believe you have laid out your honest opinion with class. I appreciate this opportunity to understand you better, and I want you to understand me too. While we don't agree I believe you are good person who wants what is best for your country and your grand children, and I hope you have a nice weekend @Chosen Daughter .
I appreciate that, thank you. No I don't hire anyone. I used to have a management job a long time ago. If I did the hiring we would have people who want to work. And they would have incentive to work because they would be rewarded for hard work. Because more workers isn't better than less workers who actually work. If you can have 1 that does the work of two minimum wage earners for two dollars more you are making a profit. What good does it do to hire a bunch of losers when you end up being the loser?@Chosen Daughter
Employers think they need cheap labor. They need good labor and they have to be willing to pay for it. You have to have good management. Especially for low wage earners because they don't care. They are inexperience, don't care and will take every opportunity to slack off when the boss isn't looking. I hope you won't say that immigrants work hard for low wages. Immigrants are people just like everyone else. No super work force, no super race. (period) Just a workforce of people there to collect a paycheck. No loyalty. Ready to take off at lunch on payday or come back from lunch 20 minutes late because the boss isn't there.
At any rate I get you. I get people who think they are gaining and actually losing. Try negotiating pay for experienced workers. Then you will not have druggies applying.
So on the drug issue. I am not without compassion for the addicts. Of course they don't make good workers. It is sad that we allow cartel to do business on our border bringing drugs in to enslave our population to a life of drug addiction. I have known many parent who did all they could to raise their beautiful children just to have them make one bad choice that will change their lives forever.
I was on the Reservation a couple weeks ago. I saw a young girl ride up on her bicycle going directly to the two guys who I had noticed were very shady. They proceeded to make a drug deal with this young girl and my heart broke. Our hearts need to break for our children. These druggies were someone's son or daughter, sister, brother and friend. Now they are the local drug addict. I always talked to my kids about drugs. I drove the point it only takes one time and then it can become your life. Who you are identified as. Not your name but the drug addict. I want my President to stop the flow of illegal drugs from Mexico. It is said that the Cartels have a swath of land 70 miles into America. Why have we done all of this to our citizens. Why don't we care?
And that right there is all I ever need to know about why you are the way you are.
@Bigun
Ok,oh,wise one. His mother was living in Hawaii when he was born. Please splain how he managed to be born somewhere else.
@sneakypete Nobody knows where Obama was born. Nobody knows who his girlfriends were or what grades he got in college. His entire history is shrouded in mystery and there's a reason for that.
He was able to secure a Hawaiian birth certificate but that's about as difficult for a leftist as swatting a dead fly.
@sneakypete Nobody knows where Obama was born.
@Emjay
I know for a fact he was born where his mother was living. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
And I also know his mother was nobody special back them and had no idea her child would be president one day,so there was no reason for her to hide his birth. Hell,she CELEBRATED the idea of people thinking she was pregnant by a black boyfriend from Africa because it gave her status as a "Free Thinker" with the left.
Although *I* would be willing to bet money the REAL baby daddy was Frank Marshall Davis,a communist revolutionary black,convicted child molester,and bi-sexual. Look at these images and tell me this isn't his daddy!
http://www.google.com/search?q=frank+marshall+davis&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX2Y3utu_bAhVQqlkKHUv0BjkQiR4I4AE&biw=1920&bih=900 (http://www.google.com/search?q=frank+marshall+davis&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjX2Y3utu_bAhVQqlkKHUv0BjkQiR4I4AE&biw=1920&bih=900)
BTW,with an American citizen daddy and American citizen baby mama,what does that make Barry?
Apparently it is very important to you to believe this story which was totally created by Obama.
So, have fun with that.
Knock off the Obama truther/birthcertificate/place of birth stuff. NOW!
This isn't the thread for that.
Well there was that one girlfriend - the dusky lass with the receding hairline.
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Knock off the Obama truther/birthcertificate/place of birth stuff. NOW!
@sneakypete @Emjay neither one of you are going to get the last word in on this, I will, so stop trying.
This isn't the thread for that.
But, Mommy, he started it. Just joking. I'm out.
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*looks around*