Kurt Schlichter is a joke.
He spent months deriding Trump voters as ethically and morally degenerate until he decided to join them. He's just giving Trump the usual back alley behind the dumpster service.
Kurt Schlichter is a joke.
He spent months deriding Trump voters as ethically and morally degenerate until he decided to join them. He's just giving Trump the usual back alley behind the dumpster service.
The premise that there is a coup going on and a coordinated campaign by liberals and their allies in the bureaucracy and media to once and for all ensure their perpetual rule over us is definitely no joke.
We damn well start fighting back or we will lose this country ... we are on the brink.
The premise that there is a coup going on and a coordinated campaign by liberals and their allies in the bureaucracy and media to once and for all ensure their perpetual rule over us is definitely no joke.
We damn well start fighting back or we will lose this country ... we are on the brink.
This isn't a coup, it is a reality TV show with characters and made up drama. The conspiracies, outrage, drama, romance, villians, and heroes are all molded to fit with a narriative. This isn't 'against' the people, it is targeting what the people want, drama, to keep their eyes glued to the media providers who are running the show. Like with most reality shows, none of the characters are who you want them to be, they are playing a role.
When we 'fight back' we have to start with ourselves and what we demand of our information, media, and even government. We want it to entertain us and solve our problems. We created this monster.
You are correct.
Anyone who has watched the "news" lately on the major networks or read the screaming headlines issuing forth daily from the NYT-WaPo Axis knows or ought to know that something both coordinated and unprecedented is happening.
And it ought to scare the hell out of you, because our culture is increasingly made of brittle and dry tinder, just waiting for a match.
I am no big fan of Donald Trump, as anyone here knows. The right reasons, the right time... but the wrong guy. His character and experience, or rather the lack of both have made him the perfect target for a Perfect Storm of Progressive bureaucrats, media mongers, institutionally-funded social justice warriors and congressional staffers, who are all working together to reverse the result of the 2016 election and stop the Republican agenda cold in its tracks.
And that, I am certain, is just for starters.
:amen:
After Obama got elected twice, I'm no longer convinced the American people are capable of governing themselves.
@kevindavis @AbaraXas
Goeorge Soros is behind the scenes pulling strings. Its a coup. His goal, along with the other elites, is to implement a global socialist government.
The premise that there is a coup going on and a coordinated campaign by liberals and their allies in the bureaucracy and media to once and for all ensure their perpetual rule over us is definitely no joke.
We damn well start fighting back or we will lose this country ... we are on the brink.
Exactly why we opposed Trump. We knew this would happen and now we're going to lose badly. The democrats couldn't have chosen a better political suicide bomber than Trump and the "republican agenda" has already been stopped in its tracks both through deliberate action and incompetence of Trump.
I would quibble only with 'coup' as the entrenched are right now fighting to stay entrenched rather than to expand. They must first fight any move by Trump to reduce their power before seeking the next opportunity to expand that power.
But that's quibbling.
What should now be obvious is that there has been no 'Republican agenda.' What should now be obvious is that a President Cruz attempting reform would have been bulldozed like a Corrie.
@driftdriver
Prove it...
Kurt Schlichter is a joke.
He spent months deriding Trump voters as ethically and morally degenerate until he decided to join them. He's just giving Trump the usual back alley behind the dumpster service.
If it's a coup it begs the question which side is Trump on? His twitter feed is the liberal's greatest weapon.
If it's a coup it begs the question which side is Trump on? His twitter feed is the liberal's greatest weapon.
ANY republican elected this cycle would have been treated exactly the same! The left is completely out of power and thus desperate! This a no holds barred war! Make no mistake about that!
Exactly why we opposed Trump. We knew this would happen and now we're going to lose badly. The democrats couldn't have chosen a better political suicide bomber than Trump and the "republican agenda" has already been stopped in its tracks both through deliberate action and incompetence of Trump.
There is no hope of winning a fight for conservatism, constitutionalism or federalism with a man who doesn't care about them. We've already lost and at best we'll only lose a decade.
Does he have proof of just spouting BS without proof???
Kurt Schlichter is a joke.
He spent months deriding Trump voters as ethically and morally degenerate until he decided to join them. He's just giving Trump the usual back alley behind the dumpster service.
This isn't a coup, it is a reality TV show with characters and made up drama. The conspiracies, outrage, drama, romance, villians, and heroes are all molded to fit with a narriative. This isn't 'against' the people, it is targeting what the people want, drama, to keep their eyes glued to the media providers who are running the show. Like with most reality shows, none of the characters are who you want them to be, they are playing a role.
When we 'fight back' we have to start with ourselves and what we demand of our information, media, and even government. We want it to entertain us and solve our problems. We created this monster.
I've said before, there is a symbiotic nature or a parasite/host thing going on.
Now that The relationship has gotten strained, Trump calls them "fake news" and the media finds fault with every little slight, we should remember, the media outnumbers Trump.
The reality is the 'enemy' is centralized authortarian government and the left and right are playing the game together. They aren't battling against the people as though we are an opponent, we are the spoils of war they want. The game is being played like a reality TV show (or wrasslin match) and the battlefield is the media, who can get the most eyes on their story at any time and who can demand from their side a government champion
Demanding a government champion (on either side) in this battle is like rooting for the wrassler you like on the WWE to beat the other guy for you... the point is completely missed that they are all characters.
One can make the argument is the enemy's arm's dealer. Kind of like those guys in Florida who were arming Iraqi insurgents under the guise of working for our own State Department.Just like rasslin', when the show is over, they'll all get their cut.
The reality is the 'enemy' is centralized authortarian government and the left and right are playing the game together. They aren't battling against the people as though we are an opponent, we are the spoils of war they want. The game is being played like a reality TV show (or wrasslin match) and the battlefield is the media, who can get the most eyes on their story at any time and who can demand from their side a government champion.
Demanding a government champion (on either side) in this battle is like rooting for the wrassler you like on the WWE to beat the other guy for you... the point is completely missed that they are all characters.
Yup, I'll agree with you on that. Although I would add, Obama twice, and Trump once (so far). 10294
Still wishing Hillary was elected I see.
You are correct.
Anyone who has watched the "news" lately on the major networks or read the screaming headlines issuing forth daily from the NYT-WaPo Axis knows or ought to know that something both coordinated and unprecedented is happening.
And it ought to scare the hell out of you, because our culture is increasingly made of brittle and dry tinder, just waiting for a match.
I am no big fan of Donald Trump, as anyone here knows. The right reasons, the right time... but the wrong guy. His character and experience, or rather the lack of both have made him the perfect target for a Perfect Storm of Progressive bureaucrats, media mongers, institutionally-funded social justice warriors and congressional staffers, who are all working together to reverse the result of the 2016 election and stop the Republican agenda cold in its tracks.
And that, I am certain, is just for starters.
Kurt Schlichter is a joke.
He spent months deriding Trump voters as ethically and morally degenerate until he decided to join them. He's just giving Trump the usual back alley behind the dumpster service.
Could you anti-Trump people please stop making nasty references. Mystery had to caution people on that dump Trump thread.
Can't we be grownups here.
As for that post by Schlicter, he is exactly right.
The Trump Side has a war cry: "This is a coup against our right to poop ourselves!"
The premise that there is a coup going on and a coordinated campaign by liberals and their allies in the bureaucracy and media to once and for all ensure their perpetual rule over us is definitely no joke.
We damn well start fighting back or we will lose this country ... we are on the brink.
Does he have proof of just spouting BS without proof???
Woe there @Weird Tolkienish Figure hold that mule @Emjay is a lady, due respect, yea, she her politics can be far away from us as where she lives, at times, but this sappy ba$tard Will defend her integrity- for at least a little while, till she really steps off the deep end for which she has not, yet.
If it's a coup it begs the question which side is Trump on? His twitter feed is the liberal's greatest weapon.
Could you anti-Trump people please stop making nasty references. Mystery had to caution people on that dump Trump thread.Don't hold your breath @Emjay
Can't we be grownups here.
Still wishing Hillary was elected I see.
The author is exactly right, the uniparty elites funded by your pal George Soros are attempting to overturn the results of our election. If they succeed America as we know it is finished. We will join the global socialist government and we will be serfs in all but name. Just imagine one big Mexico with a tiny very wealthy ruling class, a small professional middle class that works for the ruling class and a huge impoverished lower class.
I would politely ask you to pull your head out of the sand for a minute. How much proof do you need?? Do you ever recall at anytime, the DEMS and the RINO's state that he will be a one term president and they will make sure of it? Do you ever recall the Clinton campaign stating that the Russians hacked the system (even though not connected to the internet) and that's why she lost? The lies and accusations have never stopped. The attacks are now on a daily basis and I'm not buying into what's being fed to us for a second in order to control us.
If we don't help this President and support him, I sincerely hope that everyone has prepared to some degree or another with; water, food, gold, silver, guns and some ammo.
You see, this is why some of us are pushing for an Article V convention. It's something that hasn't been tried before, and that the administrative state doesn't know how to fight and is terrified of. As for Trump, I wish him well and will be happy to support his actions when he does constitutional, liberty-affirming things. I'll oppose him when he does unconstitutional, liberty-decreasing things. But I'll put most of my efforts into making the things he (and the rest of the federal government) does less important and having less effect on the American people.
All part of the show. Both sides are pretending Trump is something he isn't.
Good lord you Trumpsters are a bunch of little whiny babies. You're worse than your hero.
Woe there @Weird Tolkienish Figure hold that mule @Emjay is a lady, due respect, yea, her politics can be far away from us as where she lives, at times, but this sappy ba$tard Will defend her integrity- for at least a little while, till she really steps off the deep end for which she has not, yet.
Corbe, you are my hero ... until I say something you don't like which I will probably do in the next five minutes. Seriously, I appreciate it.
Corbe, you are my hero ... until I say something you don't like which I will probably do in the next five minutes. Seriously, I appreciate it.
I prefer not to see nasty posts with all sorts of vulgar insinuations. If you think posting gutter stuff is grownup, I have news for you.
It is possible to express yourself without that ... at least it is for me ... you should try it.
PS: I will change my Avatar (more boobs) if you will change yours, I'll admit I'm homophobic.
You are like the biggest whiner on here. Oh poor Trump! Leave him alone. 8888crybaby
Could you anti-Trump people please stop making nasty references. Mystery had to caution people on that dump Trump thread.Myst objected to the "rectum" reference. Need I remind you who made that?
Can't we be grownups here.
As for that post by Schlicter, he is exactly right.
But with true GOP form, you ARE succeeding at alienating a significant portion of the people who might support the President when you need them the most, just like was done with the whole "we don't want you, we don't need you Conservatives" hateful garbage started at the Convention and continued to this day.
perhaps it would be best to reconsider the apparent policy of alienating potential support at every turn. Any time we are even tempted to speak well of something he has done, and there are a few things, even if they have been negated by other members of the administration, we find ourselves once again locked in combat to defend our positions in re our principles.
You aren't exactly winning hearts and minds, there.They were never interested in persuasion. They were interested only in beating refuseniks into submission or pointing their fingers in our face to scream that they "won" and we were all "Losers". That is their be all, end all. And now real life has transcended reality TV and they have run off what would have been natural allies to compete and total indifference or opposition.
When the Democrats take over, and they will if y'all persist, you'll all whine and point the finger at Conservatives, not even realizing you have become just like the Leftists you claim to despise.
Still wishing the Republicans had nominated a Conservative with principle and integrity and the courage to stand on them no matter what.
Myst objected to the "rectum" reference. Need I remind you who made that?
In answer to your question, apparently not. Four months in and the tired canards persist about supporting a Democrat footnote (until she is convicted, which may never happen), and even the allegation that people are anti-trump. I wasn't a fanboi, but his "supporters" are more than enough to turn away the most devout, not to mention folks who were just at the point of giving him a clean slate from the day he was sworn in.
Nope, that is just not good enough, you want total fealty.
That deal just isn't going to happen.
But with true GOP form, you ARE succeeding at alienating a significant portion of the people who might support the President when you need them the most, just like was done with the whole "we don't want you, we don't need you Conservatives" hateful garbage started at the Convention and continued to this day.
That we would not even want to be associated, politically, morally, socially, with such a hateful group just follows with the garbage dumped on us daily, as does some degree of schadenfreude that he who lied his way to the nomination is now getting a similar treatment from the MSM.
Now, we understand that the fate of the country is in his not so ample hands, but perhaps it would be best to reconsider the apparent policy of alienating potential support at every turn. Any time we are even tempted to speak well of something he has done, and there are a few things, even if they have been negated by other members of the administration, we find ourselves once again locked in combat to defend our positions in re our principles.
It is as if you don't want us to have anything good to say, just so you can collectively complain that we don't have anything good to say, and if we happen to have a decent discussion going on one of you jumps in and starts spattering the monkey house glass all over again.
Frankly, it's tedious, and beginning to convince me the purveyors of the tactic are the same.
You aren't exactly winning hearts and minds, there.
When the Democrats take over, and they will if y'all persist, you'll all whine and point the finger at Conservatives, not even realizing you have become just like the Leftists you claim to despise.
What grieves me most is not the nonsense you are all playing at, but that this will destroy the Republic my people, my family, have been involved in for over 100 years before its inception. For that, May Almighty God reward you as you so richly deserve.
Myst objected to the "rectum" reference. Need I remind you who made that?
In answer to your question, apparently not. Four months in and the tired canards persist about supporting a Democrat footnote (until she is convicted, which may never happen), and even the allegation that people are anti-trump. I wasn't a fanboi, but his "supporters" are more than enough to turn away the most devout, not to mention folks who were just at the point of giving him a clean slate from the day he was sworn in.
Nope, that is just not good enough, you want total fealty.
That deal just isn't going to happen.
But with true GOP form, you ARE succeeding at alienating a significant portion of the people who might support the President when you need them the most, just like was done with the whole "we don't want you, we don't need you Conservatives" hateful garbage started at the Convention and continued to this day.
That we would not even want to be associated, politically, morally, socially, with such a hateful group just follows with the garbage dumped on us daily, as does some degree of schadenfreude that he who lied his way to the nomination is now getting a similar treatment from the MSM.
Now, we understand that the fate of the country is in his not so ample hands, but perhaps it would be best to reconsider the apparent policy of alienating potential support at every turn. Any time we are even tempted to speak well of something he has done, and there are a few things, even if they have been negated by other members of the administration, we find ourselves once again locked in combat to defend our positions in re our principles.
It is as if you don't want us to have anything good to say, just so you can collectively complain that we don't have anything good to say, and if we happen to have a decent discussion going on one of you jumps in and starts spattering the monkey house glass all over again.
Frankly, it's tedious, and beginning to convince me the purveyors of the tactic are the same.
You aren't exactly winning hearts and minds, there.
When the Democrats take over, and they will if y'all persist, you'll all whine and point the finger at Conservatives, not even realizing you have become just like the Leftists you claim to despise.
What grieves me most is not the nonsense you are all playing at, but that this will destroy the Republic my people, my family, have been involved in for over 100 years before its inception. For that, May Almighty God reward you as you so richly deserve.
Myst objected to the "rectum" reference. Need I remind you who made that?
In answer to your question, apparently not. Four months in and the tired canards persist about supporting a Democrat footnote (until she is convicted, which may never happen), and even the allegation that people are anti-trump. I wasn't a fanboi, but his "supporters" are more than enough to turn away the most devout, not to mention folks who were just at the point of giving him a clean slate from the day he was sworn in.
Nope, that is just not good enough, you want total fealty.
That deal just isn't going to happen.
But with true GOP form, you ARE succeeding at alienating a significant portion of the people who might support the President when you need them the most, just like was done with the whole "we don't want you, we don't need you Conservatives" hateful garbage started at the Convention and continued to this day.
That we would not even want to be associated, politically, morally, socially, with such a hateful group just follows with the garbage dumped on us daily, as does some degree of schadenfreude that he who lied his way to the nomination is now getting a similar treatment from the MSM.
Now, we understand that the fate of the country is in his not so ample hands, but perhaps it would be best to reconsider the apparent policy of alienating potential support at every turn. Any time we are even tempted to speak well of something he has done, and there are a few things, even if they have been negated by other members of the administration, we find ourselves once again locked in combat to defend our positions in re our principles.
It is as if you don't want us to have anything good to say, just so you can collectively complain that we don't have anything good to say, and if we happen to have a decent discussion going on one of you jumps in and starts spattering the monkey house glass all over again.
Frankly, it's tedious, and beginning to convince me the purveyors of the tactic are the same.
You aren't exactly winning hearts and minds, there.
When the Democrats take over, and they will if y'all persist, you'll all whine and point the finger at Conservatives, not even realizing you have become just like the Leftists you claim to despise.
What grieves me most is not the nonsense you are all playing at, but that this will destroy the Republic my people, my family, have been involved in for over 100 years before its inception. For that, May Almighty God reward you as you so richly deserve.
Way too many people simply do not understand that or refuse to listen.
They are way too caught up in their own rhetoric and dislike of Trump to see the big picture.
The big picture is not Trump...you may not like him but he is not the enemy.
The enemy is the left, enraged at losing an election they KNEW they would win, they are throwing all their resources into damaging or destroying a duly elected President. Whether you voted for him or not... whether you like him or not ... he was elected and he has done nothing to warrant the attacks or the impeachment cries from the left.
I have literally begged all these whiners to tell me what they want. They cannot or they will not.
I can only assume they want to vent whatever the consequences.
They are the "we told you so" people that will do everything they can to make Trump a failed president even if that means giving the globalist Marxist Democrats the House and Senate in 2018 and the presidency in 2020. They are not conservatives nor are they patriots. They are despicable people.
They are the "we told you so" people that will do everything they can to make Trump a failed president even if that means giving the globalist Marxist Democrats the House and Senate in 2018 and the presidency in 2020. They are not conservatives nor are they patriots. They are despicable people.
You should really read the post from @Smokin Joe on reply to what Emjay said. If it applies to anyone here it's you.
They are the "we told you so" people that will do everything they can to make Trump a failed president even if that means giving the globalist Marxist Democrats the House and Senate in 2018 and the presidency in 2020. They are not conservatives nor are they patriots. They are despicable people.
Dear Trump Cult Members,
The "we told you so" people do not have the power or the inclination to make Trump a failed President, only he has that power. When the GOP convention told people like me "There's the door!", we took it seriously - stop blaming us, we were told to leave by Trump and his minions. When your godless fruitcake weaved horrible lies and repeated them (Cruz cheated, Cruz is ineligible, his daddy killed JFK, he;s a Canadian! Look at her Face! Crazy like a child molester! etc etc) until his monkeys believed it, don't blame us for thinking the person making these lies is a liar who shouldn't be trusted.
You were proud that Trump was no conservative, he was a populist! Conservatives were losers! You were proud to be despicable and call yourselves deplorables, remember? Now you want to pretend it was the other way around?
Many wanted to start over with the new administration but the attacks from the Trump Side continued, "Agree with master on all things or you are a traitor and a Democrat!". Do you really think that's how to get people on your side? By attacking them and sliming them and making up new epithets by the hour?
Those bridges were burned, Your side burned them. You didn't want our vote and you still don't want to reach out except to continue attacking us. We'd have to be insane to join you in the cult.
Let the commies and NAZI's fight it out, I'll just buy popcorn, pox on all their houses.
They are the "we told you so" people that will do everything they can to make Trump a failed president even if that means giving the globalist Marxist Democrats the House and Senate in 2018 and the presidency in 2020. They are not conservatives nor are they patriots. They are despicable people.
:bigsilly:
If Trump ends up being a failed president, the only person to blame for that will be him. So far, he seems hellbent on making a failure of it.
Dear Trump Cult Members,
The "we told you so" people do not have the power or the inclination to make Trump a failed President, only he has that power. When the GOP convention told people like me "There's the door!", we took it seriously - stop blaming us, we were told to leave by Trump and his minions. When your godless fruitcake weaved horrible lies and repeated them (Cruz cheated, Cruz is ineligible, his daddy killed JFK, he;s a Canadian! Look at her Face! Crazy like a child molester! etc etc) until his monkeys believed it, don't blame us for thinking the person making these lies is a liar who shouldn't be trusted.
You were proud that Trump was no conservative, he was a populist! Conservatives were losers! You were proud to be despicable and call yourselves deplorables, remember? Now you want to pretend it was the other way around?
Many wanted to start over with the new administration but the attacks from the Trump Side continued, "Agree with master on all things or you are a traitor and a Democrat!". Do you really think that's how to get people on your side? By attacking them and sliming them and making up new epithets by the hour?
Those bridges were burned, Your side burned them. You didn't want our vote and you still don't want to reach out except to continue attacking us. We'd have to be insane to join you in the cult.
Let the commies and NAZI's fight it out, I'll just buy popcorn, pox on all their houses.
Bridges were burned by the NeverTrumpers. And bridges are still being burned by NeverTrumpers. So let me ask you. Do you want a war with Russia? Cause without Trump that is what you will get. Do you like open borders and no enforcement of our immigration laws? Cause without Trump that is what you will get. I could go on. We Trumpsters like Trump BECAUSE OF HIS POLICIES!
Cruz is not a natural born citizen under original intent. Sorry that is just the way it is.
The latest pseudo-scandal is that Trump doesn’t think Mike Flynn did anything wrong, and told James Comey so back in February. So basically, Trump expressed the same view he had of the whole Flynn nonsense to Comey as he has expressed to every interviewer. Comey did nothing, and said nothing (even when testifying to Congress) for nearly three months, because it was nothing. The Russian snipe hunt continued throughout unabated. That off-hand comment was a pretty poor attempt at obstruction of justice since it didn’t obstruct anything – to the limited extent these Russian witch hunts can be confused with “justice” at all.
Very well - and correctly - stated. I willingly want to support the President and I have expressed my approval at times (such as Justice Gorsuch). For some, that is not enough. It is, as you say, tedious and alienating. :patriot:
@Lando LincolnGood article, only that 'guy' is a she: Kelleigh Nelson.
Is there room in that boat for one more?
I think this guy is right!
https://newswithviews.com/stand-up-for-trump-or-lose-america-forever/
Good article, only that 'guy' is a she: Kelleigh Nelson.
Follow links to the Judicial Watch reports on Muller and others, http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/05/russia-special-counsel-mueller-conspired-radical-islamic-groups-fbi-chief/ (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/05/russia-special-counsel-mueller-conspired-radical-islamic-groups-fbi-chief/), for one.
In the two longer reports linked there, many of the links in the references bring back 404s, which I take as evidence that source information has been (and likely still is) being moved (to be inaccessible via those links) or scrubbed by entrenched Obamites and others who might benefit by covering their tracks. As with the MSM, controlling information is key to controlling public perception of what is happening in DC and elsewhere.
There is, and has been, a concerted effort on the part of members of the DNC, the MSM, and others to seriously undermine our government, and this has been conducted in apparent collusion with enemies of the United States, at a minimum, actions have been taken by those inside and outside the government to facilitate operations which could be labeled as subversive, including and down to controlling the language used to describe attempted and actual terrorist actions to reduce the perception of threats.
The threat we face is one of not only Marxists entrenched in and aspiring to the halls of power in DC, but those in the very agencies we trust to be watchdogs for the Republic. Trump needs to clean house, thoroughly, and do so with no compunctions. Otherwise, the extent of the organizations internal to and involved in the subversion of the United States' Government will continue, and quite possibly succeed.
Good article, only that 'guy' is a she: Kelleigh Nelson.
Follow links to the Judicial Watch reports on Muller and others, http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/05/russia-special-counsel-mueller-conspired-radical-islamic-groups-fbi-chief/ (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/05/russia-special-counsel-mueller-conspired-radical-islamic-groups-fbi-chief/), for one.
In the two longer reports linked there, many of the links in the references bring back 404s, which I take as evidence that source information has been (and likely still is) being moved (to be inaccessible via those links) or scrubbed by entrenched Obamites and others who might benefit by covering their tracks. As with the MSM, controlling information is key to controlling public perception of what is happening in DC and elsewhere.
There is, and has been, a concerted effort on the part of members of the DNC, the MSM, and others to seriously undermine our government, and this has been conducted in apparent collusion with enemies of the United States, at a minimum, actions have been taken by those inside and outside the government to facilitate operations which could be labeled as subversive, including and down to controlling the language used to describe attempted and actual terrorist actions to reduce the perception of threats.
The threat we face is one of not only Marxists entrenched in and aspiring to the halls of power in DC, but those in the very agencies we trust to be watchdogs for the Republic. Trump needs to clean house, thoroughly, and do so with no compunctions. Otherwise, the extent of the organizations internal to and involved in the subversion of the United States' Government will continue, and quite possibly succeed.
The swamp does not want to be drained and will do almost anything to keep their cash cow on life support. Most of them don't care about anything except themselves. Duty, honor, & country are quaint concepts in a history book for most of them.@driftdiver
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Dear Trump Cult Members,
The "we told you so" people do not have the power or the inclination to make Trump a failed President, only he has that power. When the GOP convention told people like me "There's the door!", we took it seriously - stop blaming us, we were told to leave by Trump and his minions. When your godless fruitcake weaved horrible lies and repeated them (Cruz cheated, Cruz is ineligible, his daddy killed JFK, he;s a Canadian! Look at her Face! Crazy like a child molester! etc etc) until his monkeys believed it, don't blame us for thinking the person making these lies is a liar who shouldn't be trusted.
You were proud that Trump was no conservative, he was a populist! Conservatives were losers! You were proud to be despicable and call yourselves deplorables, remember? Now you want to pretend it was the other way around?
Many wanted to start over with the new administration but the attacks from the Trump Side continued, "Agree with master on all things or you are a traitor and a Democrat!". Do you really think that's how to get people on your side? By attacking them and sliming them and making up new epithets by the hour?
Those bridges were burned, Your side burned them. You didn't want our vote and you still don't want to reach out except to continue attacking us. We'd have to be insane to join you in the cult.
Let the commies and NAZI's fight it out, I'll just buy popcorn, pox on all their houses.
Bridges were burned by the NeverTrumpers. And bridges are still being burned by NeverTrumpers. So let me ask you. Do you want a war with Russia?
Let the commies and NAZI's fight it out, I'll just buy popcorn, pox on all their houses.
@driftdiver
With respect, I sincerely doubt you know just how true that is!
@Bigun
I spent 10 years in the Air Force and eventually ended up owning my own company. We did govt contracting for about 10 years and still do a little. Its atrocious what goes on with the Govts blessing. The nepotism & favors between govt agencies and large contractors. The blatant disregard by the big contracting companies. I was told by the Dir of Small Business for the Air Force that being a service disabled Veteran company is actually considered a bad thing. That govt buyers prefer not to use our companies. They'll hand million dollar contracts to minority owned companies with no past performance but refuse to even consider a vet.
My COO previously worked for the DoD running around Iraq & Afghanistan. His job was to visit the local business/companies and figure out what they needed. Then the American Taxpayer bought it ( a crane, generator, manufacturing equipment, etc) and then he gave it to them. The stories he has of govt officials ignoring security requirements and wasting our taxes will curl your toes.
They just don't care as long as they get theirs.
So yes its probably worse then I know but what I know is vomit inducing.
@Bigun
I spent 10 years in the Air Force and eventually ended up owning my own company. We did govt contracting for about 10 years and still do a little. Its atrocious what goes on with the Govts blessing. The nepotism & favors between govt agencies and large contractors. The blatant disregard by the big contracting companies. I was told by the Dir of Small Business for the Air Force that being a service disabled Veteran company is actually considered a bad thing. That govt buyers prefer not to use our companies. They'll hand million dollar contracts to minority owned companies with no past performance but refuse to even consider a vet.
My COO previously worked for the DoD running around Iraq & Afghanistan. His job was to visit the local business/companies and figure out what they needed. Then the American Taxpayer bought it ( a crane, generator, manufacturing equipment, etc) and then he gave it to them. The stories he has of govt officials ignoring security requirements and wasting our taxes will curl your toes.
They just don't care as long as they get theirs.
So yes its probably worse then I know but what I know is vomit inducing.
It's a mess that must be cleaned up or we are well and truly SCREWED! :beer:
You can't "clean it up", it has to be eliminated. Big govt is the problem. The complexity is just not manageable to prevent this kind of corruption.:amen: :beer:
We must shrink our govt.
@driftdiverIt isn't just the figureheads, it is the staffers, the bureaucrats, the thousands of fairly high GS numbers running around making six figures a year who do the actual heavy lifting who will resist with every fiber of their being anything that might cost them their jobs.
With respect, I sincerely doubt you know just how true that is!
It isn't just the figureheads, it is the staffers, the bureaucrats, the thousands of fairly high GS numbers running around making six figures a year who do the actual heavy lifting who will resist with every fiber of their being anything that might cost them their jobs.
Good article, only that 'guy' is a she: Kelleigh Nelson.
Follow links to the Judicial Watch reports on Muller and others, http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/05/russia-special-counsel-mueller-conspired-radical-islamic-groups-fbi-chief/ (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/05/russia-special-counsel-mueller-conspired-radical-islamic-groups-fbi-chief/), for one.
In the two longer reports linked there, many of the links in the references bring back 404s, which I take as evidence that source information has been (and likely still is) being moved (to be inaccessible via those links) or scrubbed by entrenched Obamites and others who might benefit by covering their tracks. As with the MSM, controlling information is key to controlling public perception of what is happening in DC and elsewhere.
There is, and has been, a concerted effort on the part of members of the DNC, the MSM, and others to seriously undermine our government, and this has been conducted in apparent collusion with enemies of the United States, at a minimum, actions have been taken by those inside and outside the government to facilitate operations which could be labeled as subversive, including and down to controlling the language used to describe attempted and actual terrorist actions to reduce the perception of threats.
The threat we face is one of not only Marxists entrenched in and aspiring to the halls of power in DC, but those in the very agencies we trust to be watchdogs for the Republic. Trump needs to clean house, thoroughly, and do so with no compunctions. Otherwise, the extent of the organizations internal to and involved in the subversion of the United States' Government will continue, and quite possibly succeed.
Dear Trump Cult Members,
The "we told you so" people do not have the power or the inclination to make Trump a failed President, only he has that power. When the GOP convention told people like me "There's the door!", we took it seriously - stop blaming us, we were told to leave by Trump and his minions. When your godless fruitcake weaved horrible lies and repeated them (Cruz cheated, Cruz is ineligible, his daddy killed JFK, he;s a Canadian! Look at her Face! Crazy like a child molester! etc etc) until his monkeys believed it, don't blame us for thinking the person making these lies is a liar who shouldn't be trusted.
You were proud that Trump was no conservative, he was a populist! Conservatives were losers! You were proud to be despicable and call yourselves deplorables, remember? Now you want to pretend it was the other way around?
Many wanted to start over with the new administration but the attacks from the Trump Side continued, "Agree with master on all things or you are a traitor and a Democrat!". Do you really think that's how to get people on your side? By attacking them and sliming them and making up new epithets by the hour?
Those bridges were burned, Your side burned them. You didn't want our vote and you still don't want to reach out except to continue attacking us. We'd have to be insane to join you in the cult.
Let the commies and NAZI's fight it out, I'll just buy popcorn, pox on all their houses.
It isn't just the figureheads, it is the staffers, the bureaucrats, the thousands of fairly high GS numbers running around making six figures a year who do the actual heavy lifting who will resist with every fiber of their being anything that might cost them their jobs.
And Trump is the first time since Reagan that they feared for their jobs.And that is a good thing (not that they haven't had to fear for them in the meantime, but that they do now). Now he just has to fire the right ones.
Bridges were burned by the NeverTrumpers. And bridges are still being burned by NeverTrumpers. S
So let me ask you. Do you want a war with Russia? Cause without Trump that is what you will get. Do you like open borders and no enforcement of our immigration laws? Cause without Trump that is what you will get. I could go on. We Trumpsters like Trump BECAUSE OF HIS POLICIES!
Cruz is not a natural born citizen under original intent. Sorry that is just the way it is.
This isn't a coup, it is a reality TV show with characters and made up drama. The conspiracies, outrage, drama, romance, villians, and heroes are all molded to fit with a narriative. This isn't 'against' the people, it is targeting what the people want, drama, to keep their eyes glued to the media providers who are running the show. Like with most reality shows, none of the characters are who you want them to be, they are playing a role.
When we 'fight back' we have to start with ourselves and what we demand of our information, media, and even government. We want it to entertain us and solve our problems. We created this monster.
Really? I recall a certain poster saying that anyone who opposed Trump was an enemy worse than the Soviets who must be destroyed..Really? I don't remember anything like that and I have been here all along since 2009.
Dear Trump Cult Members,
The "we told you so" people do not have the power or the inclination to make Trump a failed President, only he has that power. When the GOP convention told people like me "There's the door!", we took it seriously - stop blaming us, we were told to leave by Trump and his minions. When your godless fruitcake weaved horrible lies and repeated them (Cruz cheated, Cruz is ineligible, his daddy killed JFK, he;s a Canadian! Look at her Face! Crazy like a child molester! etc etc) until his monkeys believed it, don't blame us for thinking the person making these lies is a liar who shouldn't be trusted.
You were proud that Trump was no conservative, he was a populist! Conservatives were losers! You were proud to be despicable and call yourselves deplorables, remember? Now you want to pretend it was the other way around?
Many wanted to start over with the new administration but the attacks from the Trump Side continued, "Agree with master on all things or you are a traitor and a Democrat!". Do you really think that's how to get people on your side? By attacking them and sliming them and making up new epithets by the hour?
Those bridges were burned, Your side burned them. You didn't want our vote and you still don't want to reach out except to continue attacking us. We'd have to be insane to join you in the cult.
Let the commies and NAZI's fight it out, I'll just buy popcorn, pox on all their houses.
Best post!
Bridges were burned by the NeverTrumpers. And bridges are still being burned by NeverTrumpers. So let me ask you. Do you want a war with Russia? Cause without Trump that is what you will get. Do you like open borders and no enforcement of our immigration laws? Cause without Trump that is what you will get. I could go on. We Trumpsters like Trump BECAUSE OF HIS POLICIES!You sound like Neville Chamberlain. "We have to appease the Nazis because we can't afford another world war!"
Cruz is not a natural born citizen under original intent. Sorry that is just the way it is.Original intent? I addressed this years ago. Natural-born citizenship under original intent was meaningless. The Marquis de Lafayette, born in France, had the title of Natural Born Citizen handed to him by the state of Virginia three years before the U.S. Constitution was ratified. Under the contemporary definition (a meaningless phrase that can be bestowed on anyone) no one is barred from being a natural born citizen.
You sound like Neville Chamberlain. "We have to appease the Nazis because we can't afford another world war!"
Original intent? I addressed this years ago. Natural-born citizenship under original intent was meaningless. The Marquis de Lafayette, born in France, had the title of Natural Born Citizen handed to him by the state of Virginia three years before the U.S. Constitution was ratified. Under the contemporary definition (a meaningless phrase that can be bestowed on anyone) no one is barred from being a natural born citizen.
You are correct.
Anyone who has watched the "news" lately on the major networks or read the screaming headlines issuing forth daily from the NYT-WaPo Axis knows or ought to know that something both coordinated and unprecedented is happening.
And it ought to scare the hell out of you, because our culture is increasingly made of brittle and dry tinder, just waiting for a match.
I am no big fan of Donald Trump, as anyone here knows. The right reasons, the right time... but the wrong guy. His character and experience, or rather the lack of both have made him the perfect target for a Perfect Storm of Progressive bureaucrats, media mongers, institutionally-funded social justice warriors and congressional staffers, who are all working together to reverse the result of the 2016 election and stop the Republican agenda cold in its tracks.
And that, I am certain, is just for starters.
Well said. I don't think Trump realized just how hard the swamp would resist being drained. There is a massive entrenched cabal in DC that will fight to continue their corruption of the Constitution.
Just now saw Rex Tillerson asked a question in his Riyadh presser about who the "person of interest" is in the WH probe. He said he had no information. Disgusting to watch the media do this sort of thing overseas.
Well said. I don't think Trump realized just how hard the swamp would resist being drained. There is a massive entrenched cabal in DC that will fight to continue their corruption of the Constitution.
Just now saw Rex Tillerson asked a question in his Riyadh presser about who the "person of interest" is in the WH probe. He said he had no information. Disgusting to watch the media do this sort of thing overseas.
Very true. I did not realize it myself.
Trump had huge problems to overcome ... made more difficult by his lack of political experience and his enemies on both sides of the aisle.
I think he has fought the good fight for the most part. And I underestimated the desperation and venom of the evil forces and the press.
I hope he can ride it out and achieve some of his goals.
Demanding a government champion (on either side) in this battle is like rooting for the wrassler you like on the WWE to beat the other guy for you... the point is completely missed that they are all characters.And that's the bottom line cause Stone Cold says so. 888high58888
Yes, the horrors of the Press asking 'questions'.. Oh the humanity...
Interesting that you don't think the venue overseas and the fact that the Secretary of State is not the person to ask about the WH probe is out of line. :shrug:
Nope... That is what you get with a FREE PRESS...
Free press or an arm of the Progressives in a coordinated non-stop attack? What is the point of asking the SOS that question on foreign soil? Pure grandstanding.
Well said. I don't think Trump realized just how hard the swamp would resist being drained. There is a massive entrenched cabal in DC that will fight to continue their corruption of the Constitution.
Tough sh*t!!!!
Trump figured out that the Presidency is hard after winning. Better late than never I suppose.You forget that even before he had the nomination clinched, he asserted he "could make deals" with the GOPe. Well, that may be proving more difficult than he thought. Hubris is a mean mother...
Free press or an arm of the Progressives in a coordinated non-stop attack? What is the point of asking the SOS that question on foreign soil? Pure grandstanding.
It really is a great post. Yuge and bigly.
Dear Trump Cult Members,
:hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:
Here! Here!
Post of the morning!
You, @geronl @bolobaby et al.
Wow. Still sulling and so proud as you retire from the fray because of past hurts and hates.
What about the country?
I was a Trump hater also, but I gave it up when there was no longer any profit or value in it and when I saw the left was using you to try to get rid of a duly elected president.
Whether his voters wore rose-colored glasses or whatever, they wanted our country back from the Obama/Clinton era. And I agree with that.
You all can buy popcorn and sit back and diss the rest of us but you won't be laughing when the country turns socialist.
You, @geronl @bolobaby et al.
Wow. Still sulling and so proud as you retire from the fray because of past hurts and hates.
What about the country?
I was a Trump hater also, but I gave it up when there was no longer any profit or value in it and when I saw the left was using you to try to get rid of a duly elected president.
You all can buy popcorn and sit back and diss the rest of us but you won't be laughing when the country turns socialist.
You, @geronl @bolobaby et al.Yes, what about the Socialists, EmJay? What did you do to fight Socialism today?
Wow. Still sulling and so proud as you retire from the fray because of past hurts and hates.
What about the country?
I was a Trump hater also, but I gave it up when there was no longer any profit or value in it and when I saw the left was using you to try to get rid of a duly elected president.
Whether his voters wore rose-colored glasses or whatever, they wanted our country back from the Obama/Clinton era. And I agree with that.
You all can buy popcorn and sit back and diss the rest of us but you won't be laughing when the country turns socialist.
We're fighting on the battlefield you people have abandoned and want noting to do with. W
That battle takes place on the ground you have abandoned and have no use for.
Yes, the horrors of the Press asking 'questions'.. Oh the humanity...
What about the country?
You are not fighting any battle.
You have nowhere to go because you are living in some utopia of your own making.
The rest of us are fighting here in the real world ...
I don't know what you think you can accomplish by sitting way up there on your high horse deriding those of us in the trenches.
There is no utopia that man has any ability to bring. Tyranny happens when men think they can use politics to achieve it.
You are fighting in vain for that you will never achieve.
Because you are ignorant of the fact that the primary battle is not with the flesh, but spiritual wickedness in high places.
Well said. I don't think Trump realized just how hard the swamp would resist being drained. There is a massive entrenched cabal in DC that will fight to continue their corruption of the Constitution.
I have no problems with the press asking questions. It is their making of the news that I object to!
He's not draining the swamp, he's bathing in it. Half his top people are Goldman Sachs or lobbyists. Tillerson at Exxon was one of the biggest lobbyists in history, getting favors from the government. (That's the definition of the swamp)
The choice of Gorsuch is one bright spot.
That still remains to be seen, actuallyTrue. Here's hoping. ^-^
wrap themselves in the flag and scream about freedom and Constitutional buzzwords
The country elected a low-life scum bucket clown as President, I feel very sorry for it.
Do guys like the author of this piece even have any awareness at all that they basically have gone all Hillary Clinton defender mode, only they're defending Trump.
I mean, there's no way Donald or anyone connected to him could have done anything wrong. Not at all. It's all a vast left wing or DC establishment cabal conspiracy.
I replied to someone over at The Right Scoop blog, which I frequent, who said this was the Swamp fighting back and we need to remember it's us vs. the government.
I politely asked him if "The Swamp" forced Trump to hire guys like Flynn, Page, Manafort, and Stone. Near as I could tell, he never bothered to respond.
How about the Dutch documentary that ran earlier this month that showed numerous connections between Trump and the Russian mob, with testimonies saying "IF he knew this, IF he did this", he's in big trouble. No evidence at this point of a crime by Trump, no. But was that an evil Nancy Pelosi conspiracy? Or maybe it was Chuck Schumer. Perhaps Steny Hoyer or Elijah Cummings or Dick Durbin had nothing better to do.
I become more convinced by the day that the majority of our "conservative" media are as principled and concerned about the things that really matter when it comes to freedom as our "Republican" politicians. They're reactionary crap stirrers who wants everyone to be reactionary with them. They wrap themselves in the flag and scream about freedom and Constitutional buzzwords, but if the Republicans were doing what they say the liberals are doing they would probably think it really neat.
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More than you will ever understand or allow yourself to understand given your replies of late. But that doesn't matter because people like you demanded we get lost and that you do not want to hear what it is we are saying and recommending. You only want to hear smooth and easy things and you do not want to hear about the moral issues of God that you people have rejected as inconsequential.
Do guys like the author of this piece even have any awareness at all that they basically have gone all Hillary Clinton defender mode, only they're defending Trump.
I mean, there's no way Donald or anyone connected to him could have done anything wrong. Not at all. It's all a vast left wing or DC establishment cabal conspiracy.
I replied to someone over at The Right Scoop blog, which I frequent, who said this was the Swamp fighting back and we need to remember it's us vs. the government.
I politely asked him if "The Swamp" forced Trump to hire guys like Flynn, Page, Manafort, and Stone. Near as I could tell, he never bothered to respond.
How about the Dutch documentary that ran earlier this month that showed numerous connections between Trump and the Russian mob, with testimonies saying "IF he knew this, IF he did this", he's in big trouble. No evidence at this point of a crime by Trump, no. But was that an evil Nancy Pelosi conspiracy? Or maybe it was Chuck Schumer. Perhaps Steny Hoyer or Elijah Cummings or Dick Durbin had nothing better to do.
I become more convinced by the day that the majority of our "conservative" media are as principled and concerned about the things that really matter when it comes to freedom as our "Republican" politicians. They're reactionary crap stirrers who wants everyone to be reactionary with them. They wrap themselves in the flag and scream about freedom and Constitutional buzzwords, but if the Republicans were doing what they say the liberals are doing they would probably think it really neat.
Do guys like the author of this piece even have any awareness at all that they basically have gone all Hillary Clinton defender mode, only they're defending Trump.
I mean, there's no way Donald or anyone connected to him could have done anything wrong. Not at all. It's all a vast left wing or DC establishment cabal conspiracy.
That's right. I am on the record here stating there isn't enough evidence to meet the burden of proof - But I am under no illusions that Trump is sainted. I know he's dirty.Yep. But the accusers have to build their case. Those are the rules we go by.
I think folks are going to have a hard time defending him before it's done.
people can whine all they want about bringing Hillary into the equation but she was the other half of the equation.
Don't go invoking moral issues of God. He might not like it.
You are doing nothing and think you are doing something by posting self-righteous posts.
Exactly what are you actually doing?
I thought you were buying popcorn and enjoying it.
But you miss the point ... your three words 'the country elected' have a great deal of significance.
The country made a choice. It was a good choice. people can whine all they want about bringing Hillary into the equation but she was the other half of the equation.
:amen:
Personally, for me, our country needed and needs someone who is going to abide by the Constitution and understands that without God and a reliance on and dedication to Him we're nothing as a people. And when I see God, I'm talking YHVH, not whatever generic "god" someone wants to throw out.
I believe you are indulging in hyperbole of the worst kind.
But have at it if it makes you feel good.
Yep. But the accusers have to build their case. Those are the rules we go by.
Do guys like the author of this piece even have any awareness at all that they basically have gone all Hillary Clinton defender mode, only they're defending Trump.
I mean, there's no way Donald or anyone connected to him could have done anything wrong. Not at all. It's all a vast left wing or DC establishment cabal conspiracy.
I replied to someone over at The Right Scoop blog, which I frequent, who said this was the Swamp fighting back and we need to remember it's us vs. the government.
I politely asked him if "The Swamp" forced Trump to hire guys like Flynn, Page, Manafort, and Stone. Near as I could tell, he never bothered to respond.
How about the Dutch documentary that ran earlier this month that showed numerous connections between Trump and the Russian mob, with testimonies saying "IF he knew this, IF he did this", he's in big trouble. No evidence at this point of a crime by Trump, no. But was that an evil Nancy Pelosi conspiracy? Or maybe it was Chuck Schumer. Perhaps Steny Hoyer or Elijah Cummings or Dick Durbin had nothing better to do.
I become more convinced by the day that the majority of our "conservative" media are as principled and concerned about the things that really matter when it comes to freedom as our "Republican" politicians. They're reactionary crap stirrers who wants everyone to be reactionary with them. They wrap themselves in the flag and scream about freedom and Constitutional buzzwords, but if the Republicans were doing what they say the liberals are doing they would probably think it really neat.
When one sees individuals that were dubbed "leading conservatives" like Rush, Hannity, and many others acting like their left wing counterparts and basically operating as state controlled operatives protecting the president at all costs, I certainly don't personally see the hyperbole.
I recall not that long ago that when it was announced that Trump was inviting Muslim Brotherhood ally and sympathizer Erdogan to the White House that a Facebook friend remarked if Obama was doing that people would be livid. And he would be right. And many of them would have been right to have been livid. Naturally, the people supporting Trump were silent.
Absolutely true. Daring to point that out simply means you are to be decreed an enemy, siding with Hillary and "the coup" and treated as a threat to the Republic by those who have decided to adopt the very same tactics that Obama's acolytes have.'But....But... It's okay when WE do it.'
'But....But... It's okay when WE do it.'
(Sounds familiar, doesn't it?)
Exactly why principles are so important.
Rush lost me years ago when he'd run right up to the brink of the issues with Clinton and stop just short of the finish line. It's like waiting through a long joke and waiting for the punch line.
The joke was on us.
Then, when he said over the air the name of his favorite cigar (which happened to be my favorite cigar, too), the wait time tripled, the price doubled, and I couldn't afford them any more. Grrrrr.
I'll take His Word over your empty words every single time, and I will invoke the moral issues of God as vociferously as our Founders did, if not moreso.
You however, are revealing yourself a living epitome of Isaiah 30:10.
Just like a liberal Leftist. Just like those who defend homosexual marriage, abortion and every other sick and perverted issue out there. Comes someone daring to utter what scripture states, what morality the biblical religions used to profess, and what God's Word plainly says why... THAT'S SELF RIGHTEOUS! And you cannot stand any of that being uttered within your sight.
Apparently your religion is politics and a man whom you place all your hope and faith in.
You have your reward.
Truly.
Pointing to the Truth as a witness.
Because in that Day, you will have no excuse to get angry and exclaim you had no warning.
What book did you get those out of? Cite, please?
From the book of the disciple Thomas.A little more bibliography, please.
A little more bibliography, please.
A little more bibliography, please.
gnostic gospel... Nag Hamadi Codices.I was wondering about all that 'God is in you' part. Sure He is, I invited Him. But that doesn't mean I am Him.
prophets... itching ears,,, all that.
gnostic gospel... Nag Hamadi Codices.
prophets... itching ears,,, all that.
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.htmlThank you for the reference. I have looked a lot of places, and it turns out He was there with me all the way. I do not see where your interpretation gives you the authority to call someone else a "Pharisee", though.
Its from the Gospel of Thomas, fragments of which date as early as the 2nd century...roughly the same as that of the biblical gospels. Its authenticity holds up quite well academically relative to the other 4...and the Jesus Seminar included it in its literary analysis called The Five Gospels. Like the others, it is not itself a path to god or Jesus...it is a "sayings" Gospel rather than a story...but it does call one to seek.
Our modern day Pharisee...knows what god thinks and wants based on his goofy interpretations of a book written and assembled by other Pharisee-like men. And, like the Pharisees, claims to speak for god. Those who disagree are of course ignorant, dangerous and doomed.
You are exactly what Jesus preached against...self righteous, arrogant, not seeking but certain, and full of condemnation. You think Jesus is contained within a book written by men....but YOU are wrong...that book is no more than a clarion call to seek out god, not a road map. God may have cornered the market on "Truth", but you as a man have no claim to it...so stop pretending that you do because you've read a book.
You should listen to Jesus own words before you condemn others...'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
Thank you for the reference. I have looked a lot of places, and it turns out He was there with me all the way. I do not see where your interpretation gives you the authority to call someone else a "Pharisee", though.
Thank you for the reference. I have looked a lot of places, and it turns out He was there with me all the way. I do not see where your interpretation gives you the authority to call someone else a "Pharisee", though.
It's the seared conscience thing that they cannot stand.
Its not my interpretation, its his penchant for telling others they are ignorant if they disagree with HIS interpretation of the bible. His repeated assertions that there is one narrow path is akin to how the Pharisees made the kingdom of god difficult to access...putting obstacles in their road to god. It is an opinion, founded in having read many of Invar's expose's on how he knows what god wants. Who knew god was so involved in daily politics...as Invar asserts...I guess that render to Caesar what is Caesars actually meant "tell Caesar how to govern".How is he putting obstacles in your road to The Almighty? I see him pointing to a path he has found that works.
Nag Hamadi is where a very large stash of early Christian materials was found, much to the glee of archaeologists around the world.
No idea what you mean by "itching ears".
I was wondering about all that 'God is in you' part. Sure He is, I invited Him. But that doesn't mean I am Him.
You make my case again, assuming you know what is in another's conscience....you do not even know what is in your own, but you freely judge that of others. Who does that sound like to you?
Yeah... Gnosticism is a crazy ride on a crazy train.
How is he putting obstacles in your road to The Almighty? I see him pointing to a path he has found that works.
Yeah... Gnosticism is a crazy ride on a crazy train.
Telling others that their politics are out of line with what God wants...or that their politics and beliefs are wrong because they are depending on men rather than god...is twisting god into a tool for his own political argument. It is just wrong to make god your plaything in this way IMHO. My path is firm, but not everyone's is as clear to them and this kind of garbage can be hurtful to people as they seek to find god in their lives. Its not "pointing to a path...that works" that is the problem, its proclaiming that is the ONLY path that can make it hard for others to feel free to find god as they choose. Multiply that kind of arrogance and certainty by millions...and you have real road blocks for many who are "seeking".
Nothing new under the sun. The First Century Church had to deal with it on a massive scale.
It's amazing that in the space of one paragraph you not only condemned me, you condemned Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin and a score of the Founders who made if abundantly clear that the only path to maintaining liberty in this country was one founded in the morality as contained in the scriptures and in the Christian religion you so despise.
A people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.
And here you are declaring that those who urge a people to be reconciled to and be governed by God are the real tyrants.
gnostic gospel... Nag Hamadi Codices.
prophets... itching ears,,, all that.
It's amazing that in the space of one paragraph you not only condemned me, you condemned Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin and a score of the Founders who made if abundantly clear that the only path to maintaining liberty in this country was one founded in the morality as contained in the scriptures and in the Christian religion you so despise.
A people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.
And here you are declaring that those who urge a people to be reconciled to and be governed by God are the real tyrants.
Telling others that their politics are out of line with what God wants...or that their politics and beliefs are wrong because they are depending on men rather than god...is twisting god into a tool for his own political argument. It is just wrong to make god your plaything in this way IMHO. My path is firm, but not everyone's is as clear to them and this kind of garbage can be hurtful to people as they seek to find god in their lives. Its not "pointing to a path...that works" that is the problem, its proclaiming that is the ONLY path that can make it hard for others to feel free to find god as they choose. Multiply that kind of arrogance and certainty by millions...and you have real road blocks for many who are "seeking".We're all adults here. People will look at what @INVAR says and decide for themselves. Where I see your conflict with that is that it conflicts with your philosophy and your little 'g' god. You seem to find that upsetting.
Nothing new under the sun. The First Century Church had to deal with it on a massive scale.
Should this be moved to the Religion Forum?
@mystery-ak
We all want a country ruled by morality and ethics, and yes...with a belief in a god who guides our choices for good.
The issue is that you presume to know how god wants us to behave in our governance of this country. You are wrong. Its really that simple.
We're all adults here. People will look at what @INVAR says and decide for themselves. Where I see your conflict with that is that it conflicts with your philosophy and your little 'g' god. You seem to find that upsetting.
If we are not guided by some fundamental philosophy, in this case, the basic rules YHWH passed to Moses, there will be chaos. I am guided by a philosophy just as you are, and the ten rules you attribute to yahweh were well incorporated into western thought before the birth of Jesus...most cultures have similar moral codes in which murder, theft, envy, caring for fellow citizens, etcetera are held in high regard.Without those ten simple rules, no political or other 'solution' will be just nor will it endure. I agree, the basic moral code of the Ten commandments is a great basis for establishing societal norms
I fail to see where that detracts from the ability of people to choose their own course, should they decide. However, I must note that if those ten rules were followed by those in government, we would likely have far fewer problems, and far more Liberty than we do at present. Nor do I see basing the simplest laws in our culture on those rules as a deficit, certainly most of our laws are. I agree, our legislation is and should be founded in these principles...they are core "truths" that are found in many cultures and religions
You call this "garbage" because you say your path is firm, but The Almighty calls us each to Him as He will. One man's trash is indeed another man's treasure.No, what is garbage, is this declaration of having "the one" path.
It is no less arrogant to assert that only your path which is no path I don't assert mine to be the only path, as there are actually innumerable roads that lead to god, nor is my path "no path"...rather, it is a very clear road steeped in Platonic thought as well as in the words of men like Jesus and Buddha. It would only seem "rambling" to someone who felt their was only one narrow road to god. but the license to ramble about is any exists to the exclusion of the straight path he advocates. Keep to your own path, I'm happy for you on it, just quit proclaiming that every other path is wrong. If you somehow want to argue that its your path to tell everyone they are wrong, than...well...that is what I'm criticizing in this thread
That makes as much sense as advising someone to go out and sin so they better understand God when they finally find Him, when all they had to do was read the directions and follow them.I've not called for anyone to sin, only to seek
If indeed he is to look in himself to find God, who are you to say he did not, and this is the path he found? You will know him by his acts and his words. If he had found god, he would no longer be claiming to have the only path to him.
I'm not calling names here, If your path works and you are sure of the God you found, I pray you have not been led elsewhere. That is between you and Him. Agreed, and I share the same wishes for you.
And everyone here is free to accept or reject as they choose. Agreed
I have not read the book to which you referred, only your quotes from it. That describes a path I tried as a younger man, one which led me away from YHWH. Be careful there, there are many pitfalls and precipices, if that is the path you choose. For me, all else failed. That's why I read the directions. There are many sets of directions, most of which are found not in a book but in our lives, and in the world around us. Be blessed.Again, I'm glad for you that you've found contentment. As have I. In that, we are both very fortunate men.
Lest it be lost in the conversation, this is about using god as a tool to declare your political view correct...or another's incorrect. That is using god, not following him and it is self serving in the extreme. Worse, as I see it, it is frequently used in lieu of reason and a coherent argument for one's positions.
Lest it be lost in the conversation, this is about using god as a tool to declare your political view correct...or another's incorrect. That is using god, not following him and it is self serving in the extreme. Worse, as I see it, it is frequently used in lieu of reason and a coherent argument for one's positions.
And that's different from the Founding Fathers declaring rights given by the Creator?
You mean like when someone quotes pseudepigraphal work, claiming it as Scripture, nay, even the words of the Messiah?
You mean like when someone does that to prove a political point?
You mean like when someone quotes pseudepigraphal work, claiming it as Scripture, nay, even the words of the Messiah?
You mean like when someone does that to prove a political point?
Much like the bible. 800 year old men, guys staying alive inside of whales, entire planets flooded, snakes talking to women, people turning into salt pillars, 2 people populating a planet, people made out of ribs, god ordering the slaughter of children...it goes on and on. By comparison, many of the Gnostic gospels are islands of common sense and sanity...though a number of them are a bit "loopy" in biblical fashion. With gnostic gospels AND the bible, a wise man has to separate the chaff from the wheat.
Lest it be lost in the conversation, this is about using god as a tool to declare your political view correct...or another's incorrect. That is using god, not following him and it is self serving in the extreme. Worse, as I see it, it is frequently used in lieu of reason and a coherent argument for one's positions.How will you resist Islam?
Always remember, it was men who wrote the bible, not god himself. Men also copied and edited each of the books therein. Further, it was a group of men who selected...voted on...and decided what would and would not make it into the New Testament...and a similar process was undertaken in deciding how to interpret much of the doctrine laid forth in the NT. The early church was rife with diverse interpretation, not truly coalescing until well into the 4th century.Someone put it down. But what was kept has stood the test of time. What do you so disagree with?
Thomas claims to be the words of Jesus just as do all the other gospels. It is no more pseudepigraphical than the other 4 gospels. My citing of it was part of plea to NOT use these words in making our political arguments/points. This was an ethical argument, not a political one.
[...] and the specifically used the term creator with equal intention (choosing to avoid a more obvious Christian-centric terminology).
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How will you resist Islam? Easily, with common sense and Platonic reasoning. As well, my belief in Jesus desire for us to love our fellow man precludes accepting MANY of the tenets of Islam.
You do not see scripture as a coherent argument? Some of it, yes. Other parts, such as god directing the slaughter of children and women, not so much.
How about this: If a law allows one to steal from their neighbor, would you see that law as immoral? Yes, by any logic that would be damaging to any society.Would not most people use The Almighty, the God of Moses who carved the rules in stone as as good a reason as any to overturn such a law? (Of course those laws had been around for a long time before Jesus was born. They were given to Moses. Is not that Law the basis for our own? No that you can't eat oysters or bacon, but the big ten?) Even the Code of Hammurabi, much pre-dating Moses, commands citizens not to steal or lie.
Morality did not arrive with Moses, nor was it circumscribed by Ten very true but far from all inclusive commandments
Sure it is. Someone put it down. But what was kept has stood the test of time. What do you so disagree with? As I said, I don't disagree with the Ten Commandments...though I view them more as gods ten guides to leading a good and happy life in a rational society.
BTW, it is a real pain to address comments mired within the quote of the previous poster's comments. Please make the effort to separate your own comments from the previous posts in a way that is easier to quote. Sorry, I answered all the above before reading this one. In future, I will do as you request.
The claims of the Book of Thomas are easily refuted... that is why it is absolutely among the psuedepigrapha. But we have had this argument before. Press me on it, why don't you... Start a thread.
You are not dealing with ill informed people anymore, @Mesaclone . Some of the top Biblical scholars, the best to ever grace FR, are here now. @INVAR , who seems to be the focus of your ire, could tear down the Book of Thomas like the paper shell it is... with his eyes closed and his hands in mittens.
Should this be moved to the Religion Forum?
@mystery-ak
Self aggrandizement and hyperbole...humorous AND a bit of sin. You naughty boy. Let me sin as well, though I'm not a theologian, I do have an MA in Ancient History. As for closed eyes and mittens, that seems to be a good description of Invar's diatribes thus far.
As I'm not a theologian, however, I'll rely much on those who are...Dominic Crossan, Bruce Bawer, Shelby Spong, Elaine Pagels and a host of others...for studies in authenticity and meaning. Further, works such as the Five Gospels received input from...literally...thousands of theologians at universities across the nation, so most of what I'm giving out about Thomas comes well sourced by true experts in this field.
As for refuting Thomas, you apparently don't know that it is a saying gospel...not a story line one. As such, you may disagree with what it asserts are the words of Jesus, but you have no means of refuting it beyond a scientific analysis of the text in its original Coptic version. The earliest fragments of Thomas rival those of any other gospel, by some measures dating earlier than any of the extant 4 gospel fragments. ARE you an expert in this? If so, have at it....present your scientific work on these fragments and their archaeological authenticity. My guess, you're an expert in your own mind.
Easily, with common sense and Platonic reasoning. As well, my belief in Jesus desire for us to love our fellow man precludes accepting MANY of the tenets of Islam.and they will laugh at you while sawing your head off with a dull kitchen knife.
Some of it, yes. Other parts, such as god directing the slaughter of children and women, not so much.Yet in popular fiction there are no qualms about the slaughter of women and children in so many scenarios. Not to mention Dresden, Berlin, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, all not so very long ago and perfectly secularly and Platonically justified. It is the application of Christian (second book, New Testament) beliefs that do not call for such slaughter, and despite 1945 years of that (less time for the book to be compiled, of course) we did it in all our righteousness. You cannot tell me that even today those same secular, rational people wouldn't nuke Pyonyang or Teheran or other cities full of women and children as an expediency. Yet every one of them would have said 'god' is on our side, from those running death camps in Poland to those who raped Nanking, and our own government, too. Sorry, but slaughter is common practice in warfare, whether it is with bullets, the sword, or simply starvation. The Israelites were at war, they vanquished their enemies in such a way as to eliminate reprisal. For the last 60 years we have generally failed to have the resolve to do so, and as such the slaughter of South Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians, ongoing squabbles with the North Koreans, the Somalis (oh, we're importing them), and a host of others have led to a world full of people who want death for America, and who will not have your qualms.
Even the Code of Hammurabi, much pre-dating Moses, commands citizens not to steal or lie.Do you believe in Hell? Do you believe that God, so frustrated with the corruption of His creations would destroy all but a few? That He would punish noncorporeal beings with eternal damnation? If so, the slaughter by the Israelites was nothing. But the Ten Commandments take on more gravity if you believe there is a downside to breaking them, and if no downside, why "Commandments", why not "Suggestions"? Do you believe that two cities and their inhabitants were destroyed (a microcosm of the flood) for their wickedness? They have not been found, yet all other biblical cities have.
Morality did not arrive with Moses, nor was it circumscribed by Ten very true but far from all inclusive commandments. As I said, I don't disagree with the Ten Commandments...though I view them more as gods ten guides to leading a good and happy life in a rational society.
To be clear, I see the bible as having great moral weight...much of it, anyway. Its metaphor, akin to much of greek mythology, conveys valuable lessens in wisdom and ethics.Great moral weight? It remains the all time best seller. As I said, it is the directions. When all else fails (and it will), consult it.
Like I said. Press me on it. Start a thread.
I don't have a Religion section and this thread is the reason why
Lighten up, Francis. Go start a thread of your own if you're that wound up about it.
Jefferson had his own bible in which he cut out the miracles AND the sayings of Jesus he thought bogus. He was a Christian theist, not a fundamentalist in any sense of teh word. So rather than condemn him, I would praise the man. As for Christianity, I condemn only its distortions...and am an avid believer in the words of Jesus (as a guide, check out the Jesus Seminar's analysis of the Five Gospels for what Jesus likely did and did not say).
Who died and appointed you as a Mod?
I don't have a Religion section and this thread is the reason why
and they will laugh at you while sawing your head off with a dull kitchen knife.Yet in popular fiction there are no qualms about the slaughter of women and children in so many scenarios. Not to mention Dresden, Berlin, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, all not so very long ago and perfectly secularly and Platonically justified. It is the application of Christian (second book, New Testament) beliefs that do not call for such slaughter, and despite 1945 years of that (less time for the book to be compiled, of course) we did it in all our righteousness. You cannot tell me that even today those same secular, rational people wouldn't nuke Pyonyang or Teheran or other cities full of women and children as an expediency. Yet every one of them would have said 'god' is on our side, from those running death camps in Poland to those who raped Nanking, and our own government, too. Sorry, but slaughter is common practice in warfare, whether it is with bullets, the sword, or simply starvation. The Israelites were at war, they vanquished their enemies in such a way as to eliminate reprisal. For the last 60 years we have generally failed to have the resolve to do so, and as such the slaughter of South Vietnamese, Cambodians, Laotians, ongoing squabbles with the North Koreans, the Somalis (oh, we're importing them), and a host of others have led to a world full of people who want death for America, and who will not have your qualms. Do you believe in Hell? Do you believe that God, so frustrated with the corruption of His creations would destroy all but a few? That He would punish noncorporeal beings with eternal damnation? If so, the slaughter by the Israelites was nothing. But the Ten Commandments take on more gravity if you believe there is a downside to breaking them, and if no downside, why "Commandments", why not "Suggestions"? Do you believe that two cities and their inhabitants were destroyed (a microcosm of the flood) for their wickedness? They have not been found, yet all other biblical cities have.
Great moral weight? It remains the all time best seller. As I said, it is the directions. When all else fails (and it will), consult it.
I have read the Jesus Seminar thing and it's interesting... not sure I put total faith in it but it's a good read.
LOL! Like I thought.
I'll just leave this here for Christians to mull over, as to the authenticity and continuity of the Book of Thomas with the synoptic Gospels:
Purportedly spoken by our Messiah:(1) Simon Peter said to them: “Let Mary go away from us, for women are not worthy of life.”
(2) Jesus said: “Look, I will draw her in so as to make her male, so that she too may become a living male spirit, similar to you.”
(3) (But I say to you): “Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.” - 114 "gospel" of "Thomas"
http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/bible-versions-and-translations/the-gospel-of-thomas-114-sayings-of-jesus/
Nuff said. Have fun
and they will laugh at you while sawing your head off with a dull kitchen knifeClearly we disagree. Where there is light, there is also darkness, the other side of reward is....?
Yes, as they would to any of us given the chance.
Not to mention Dresden, Berlin, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, all not so very long ago and perfectly secularly and Platonically justified.
Wait, these things happened and were carried out by "Christian" nations, not agnostic ones...so many have died in the name of religion, and so many others because religion was unable to curb the appetites of those who seek power. Not sure what your point is, but that is essentially the history of mankind.
The Israelites were at war, they vanquished their enemies in such a way as to eliminate reprisal.
I agree, this was very normal behavior for the era. However, in the bible god directly orders Israelites to kill women and children in places like Jericho. My point isn't that god actually ordered this, but that man justified their brutality by attributing it to god...an example of why must understand that the bible is not literally true, but is a reflection of men's thoughts in many places, rather than gods.
Do you believe in Hell? Do you believe that God, so frustrated with the corruption of His creations would destroy all but a few? That He would punish noncorporeal beings with eternal damnation?
If there is a hell, than god would have be a savage monster. Punishment to teach is moral. Punishment to set an example in a human lifespan...such as the death penalty...sets an example that may curb other violence. Punishment that is eternal, is cruel beyond comprehension. As such, a god that would do such a thing is a truly evil entity, not worthy of worship or respect. Fortunately, god is not such a monster, and things like hell are the creation of human minds seeking a way to "scare" followers into obedience.
But the Ten Commandments take on more gravity if you believe there is a downside to breaking them
They don't need more gravity, and they truly are meant to help us not to damn us. And yes, they are guidelines...not commands though certainly a culture like the early Israelites would see them as such. But god gives us free will, the greatest gift of all, and while he lets us face the consequences of our choices, he has no need to enforce his "helpful guides" with a "downside".
As for Sodom and Gomorrah, perhaps they were cities that were destroyed by tribal war or even natural disasters. Perhaps they are mostly myth. Archaeologists can make that determination. Its absurd however, to think god would directly kill babies and children...who most certainly lived there...to make some moral point about sin. That would fly in the face of free will and reason...not to mention morality. There is nothing wrong with taking good moral lessons from god....but as I said before..."the kingdom of god is in you, and all around you". You may find god in the bible, and that is good, but he can be found more clearly and more nearly in every atom of every moment in the universe.
Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,Emphasis mine.
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Clearly we disagree. Where there is light, there is also darkness, the other side of reward is....?
Certainly there were women and children in the antediluvian world. Were those not eliminated, too? After all, Noah brought his with him.
You do not believe the Bible, by your statements. You consider a God who would destroy two cities for abomination a "monster", what do you think of Harry Truman? (Actually, more women and children were killed in the Tokyo firestorm). Not to mention the justices who ruled on Roe, facilitating the slaughter of 50,000,000 innocents (and counting).
What suffering hasn't man wrought, that you would malign God?
As for the idea of eternity as punishment, as opposed to reward, might not the absence of reward be a punishment? But that isn't what is written, and that is not an idea confined to the Judeo-Christian writings, either, the concept of eternal punishment (Look at Prometheus) so you would deem all ever considered a deity monsters?
Kinda sketchy way to treat The Creator, dontcha think?
I don't pretend to KNOW His mind, but the first one, right out of the gate pretty much warns us all: Emphasis mine.
Quote(3) (But I say to you): “Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.” - 114 "gospel" of "Thomas"
Jesus saying he'd make Mary the equal of his male disciples....is somehow bad in your view?
Jesus saying he'd make Mary the equal of his male disciples....is somehow bad in your view?
Whoa there, Hoss. How did you make the jump from "every woman who makes herself male" to Jesus making a woman 'male'? Embellish a lot?
Not sure where you're getting an embellishment in there. I simply expressed in plain language what Jesus is saying in that verse. Any other secular scholar reading those phrases would understand it no differently.
You went from a woman doing it (i.e. making herself male) to Jesus doing it.
I have read the Jesus Seminar thing and it's interesting... not sure I put total faith in it but it's a good read.
I'm the OP and I wouldn't mind at all if you closed the thread.
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