The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Wingnut on October 20, 2016, 07:20:04 am
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Conway walked away.
Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway left an interview at the end of Wednesday’s presidential debate after she tried excusing Donald Trump’s shocking assertion that he might not accept an election loss.
In a two-minute talk with CNN’s Dana Bash, Conway initially said Trump would accept the results of the election “because he’s going to win the election.”
Trump — who has been saying for months that the election is “rigged” against him — never said during the debate he would accept the Nov. 8 outcome. Instead, he said he will keep American voters “in suspense” until he sees the results.
Pressed on how she apparently put words in Trump’s mouth, Conway fell back on citing the tumultuous 2000 election, when Al Gore contested George W. Bush’s victory after a series of recounts.
“We have extraordinary experiences,” Conway said.
“You have to listen to everything that he said. In fairness, he’s talking about a big, corrupt system, and Americans agree with that,” she added.
Gore did retract his concession to Bush during the 2000 fallout, but also ultimately accepted his loss. Gore — or any other presidential candidate in modern history — never refused to accept election results weeks before an election.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/kellyanne-conway-walks-tv-interview-debate-article-1.2837451
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Next year he'll deny he ever ran for President.
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Next year he'll deny he ever ran for President.
When you win you can't lose.
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Next year he'll deny he ever ran for President.
Imagine he wins nomination in 2020 and runs against Hillary. I can picture the debate:
"Hillary: My opponent ran for President in 2016.
Trump: Wrong!
Hillary: You didn't run for President in 2016?
Trump: Wrong!"
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Trump: Wrong!"
I'm thinking that Trump could revive The McLaughlin Group in the wake of John McLaughlin's passing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koFlWXgX52E
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She explained it, she then walked away.
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Next year he'll deny he ever ran for President.
Hillary Clinton appreciates your support.
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Next year he'll deny he ever ran for President.
No denying the Christians slaughtered under the terms of the Texas Conservative.
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NY Daily News; Democratic-sympathizing press.
We know the Democratic Primary process was rigged.
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NY Daily News; Democratic-sympathizing press.
We know the Democratic Primary process was rigged.
@TomSea
I thought it was very nice of Hillary to tell the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, etc, that it takes 4 minutes to from order to launch. Anyone else giving that info away would be in jail, I sure the FBI will get right on that.
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NY Daily News; Democratic-sympathizing press.
We know the Democratic Primary process was rigged.
I guess you have short term memory when the Media gave Trump billions of free coverage during the primary..
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The bottom line may well be for many that Donald Trump lacks the common sense to be President. He had his best debate performance last night (so did Clinton), but the headlines this morning are all about the softball question he was asked and missed.
You don't go saying in advance that you may not respect the results of the election. Pence and Ivanka Trump weren't that stupid - each said, sure, the results of the election will be respected. That's the most sacred thing about this nation - our two centuries-plus tradition of the peaceful transfer of power. We accept the results of the peoples' plebicite and assume the mantle of loyal opposition while biding our time until the next election. That's America, in all its fundamental decency and fairness.
Trump's a bonehead, playing to his fever-swamp base while relieving himself on the people, rejecting our judgment, and disrespecting our Constitutional republic and its traditions.
All the more reason for CONSERVATIVES to reject this un-American, dangerous clown. As bad as four years of Hillary Clinton will be, we will survive with the fabric of our nation intact. Trump's the far greater danger, because he lacks a basic respect for Reagan's shining city.
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The bottom line may well be for many that Donald Trump lacks the common sense to be President. He had his best debate performance last night (so did Clinton), but the headlines this morning are all about the softball question he was asked and missed.
You don't go saying in advance that you may not respect the results of the election. Pence and Ivanka Trump weren't that stupid - each said, sure, the results of the election will be respected. That's the most sacred thing about this nation - our two centuries-plus tradition of the peaceful transfer of power. We accept the results of the peoples' plebicite and assume the mantle of loyal opposition while biding our time until the next election. That's America, in all its fundamental decency and fairness.
Trump's a bonehead, playing to his fever-swamp base while relieving himself on the people, rejecting our judgment, and disrespecting our Constitutional republic and its traditions.
All the more reason for CONSERVATIVES to reject this un-American, dangerous clown. As bad as four years of Hillary Clinton will be, we will survive with the fabric of our nation intact. Trump's the far greater danger, because he lacks a basic respect for Reagan's shining city.
:amen:
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I guess you have short term memory when the Media gave Trump billions of free coverage during the primary..
They are just going through the grief stages after failing Donald so badly. They sense his disappointment in failing to bring dissenters to heel. It clouds their thinking. I suspect they will be blurting out a lot of nonsensical things to try saving face.
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The bottom line may well be for many that Donald Trump lacks the common sense to be President. He had his best debate performance last night (so did Clinton), but the headlines this morning are all about the softball question he was asked and missed.
You don't go saying in advance that you may not respect the results of the election. Pence and Ivanka Trump weren't that stupid - each said, sure, the results of the election will be respected. That's the most sacred thing about this nation - our two centuries-plus tradition of the peaceful transfer of power. We accept the results of the peoples' plebicite and assume the mantle of loyal opposition while biding our time until the next election. That's America, in all its fundamental decency and fairness.
Trump's a bonehead, playing to his fever-swamp base while relieving himself on the people, rejecting our judgment, and disrespecting our Constitutional republic and its traditions.
All the more reason for CONSERVATIVES to reject this un-American, dangerous clown. As bad as four years of Hillary Clinton will be, we will survive with the fabric of our nation intact. Trump's the far greater danger, because he lacks a basic respect for Reagan's shining city.
I strongly disagree. Our country will not survive 4 years of Clinton. Her comments last night confirmed my fears of a Hillary presidency. When the question during the debate was asked of the candidates as to how they would replace justices and how they viewed the Constitution, Hillary's answer was extremely troubling. She stated that she would place justices to the SCOTUS that would rule according to the 'will of the people'. That is NOT the function of the Supreme Court. The function of the Supreme Court is NOT to make or rewrite laws, but to interpret the law according to the Constitution. It is up to the courts to determine whether the law violates or adheres to the Constitution. There are a many things lacking about Trump. Most I think would agree with that statement. However, the issue really boils down to will our Republic survive four years under Clinton? The landmass of the USA will more than likely remain intact (barring a nuclear strike) but the demographics will change dramatically, the SCOTUS will change dramatically and our rights under the Constitution will change dramatically. Our Republic as we now know it will forever be changed under Clinton.
Secondly, her dream is for open borders for the entire western hemisphere! Will our country survive the massive influx of Muslim immigrants or will Sharia law prevail? Will our country survive the economic impact of mass migration, open borders and amnesty? Certainly, it would be foolish to think that this mass immigration would not have an extreme negative impact on our country. Europe is a prime example. Since they have allowed Muslim refugees into their country, murders, beatings, rapes and other crimes against their citizenry have escalated dramatically.
Third, her part in arming Syrian rebels and the rise of ISIS should not be blatantly disregarded and ignored. IF you think that allowing immigrants from areas of known terrorists into this country will not invite ISIS into this country, you are mistaken. It is absolute lunacy and puts a target on every American's back.
No. We will not survive 4 years of Clinton.
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No. We will not survive 4 years of Clinton.
Then people better make plans for building a new country after the collapse. Preferably one where the people that destroyed this one (Liberals/Trump supporters) are banned from entry.
Or figure out how to survive under the Red Queen because thems da' choices. Trump is not an option.
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No. We will not survive 4 years of Clinton.
They do not believe you they think they can elect (ineligible) Ted Cruz in 2020 and everything will be alright. They can not see that by not electing Trump now means the end of the USA by 2020.
Elect Trump and we live to fight another day, do not elect Trump and there is no point in participating elections any longer. For conservatives it's game over under President Hillary.
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They do not believe you they think they can elect (ineligible) Ted Cruz in 2020 and everything will be alright. They can not see that by not electing Trump now means the end of the USA by 2020.
Elect Trump and we live to fight another day, do not elect Trump and there is no point in participating elections any longer. For conservatives it's game over under President Hillary.
1: He's eligible
2: We arent going to elect Trump.
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Then people better make plans for building a new country after the collapse. Preferably one where the people that destroyed this one (Liberals/Trump supporters) are banned from entry.
It won't be the Trump supporters that get purged, for a hint have a look at NeverTrumper Paul Ryan facebook page.
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No denying the Christians slaughtered under the terms of the Texas Conservative.
Christians killed while W was President?
Outside of 9/11 I'm thinking you're just blowing stuff out of your fourth point of contact with such a wild statement like that.
Can you back it up with a credible link?
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It won't be the Trump supporters that get purged, for a hint have a look at NeverTrumper Paul Ryan facebook page.
I guess time will tell. Tumblrina and Reddit warriors are notoriously pathetic in the real world.
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1: He's eligible
2: We arent going to elect Trump.
The fact that you think the son of a Cuban born in Canada is eligible under original intent, tells me all I need to know about your intellectual abilities and your conservative boifides.
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They do not believe you they think they can elect (ineligible) Ted Cruz in 2020 and everything will be alright. They can not see that by not electing Trump now means the end of the USA by 2020.
Your lack of knowledge on the Constitution is almost as stunning as your lack of knowledge of all things military.
Elect Trump and we live to fight another day, do not elect Trump and there is no point in participating elections any longer. For conservatives it's game over under President Hillary.
So lets pretend for a second that your Orange Jesus stumble (bleep)'s his way into the White House.
And once there turns out to be the Liberal NY Dem we all tried to warn you he is and he does nothing of what you're praying he actually does.
What then? Are you and the rest of the Trumpkins here gonna admit you were wrong or just like you do now...find excuses to not blame him for what he does?
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Christians killed while W was President?
Outside of 9/11 I'm thinking you're just blowing stuff out of your fourth point of contact with such a wild statement like that.
Can you back it up with a credible link?
He's trying to blame the war solely on GWB. He forgets (intentionally) Muslims have been killing Christians since Muslims became a thing.
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The fact that you think the son of a Cuban born in Canada is eligible under original intent, tells me all I need to know about your intellectual abilities and your conservative boifides.
And the fact that his mother wans and is an American citizen therefore making Ted eligible under U.S. law shows us that your intellectual abilities are severely lacking.
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Your lack of knowledge on the Constitution is almost as stunning as your lack of knowledge of all things military.
So lets pretend for a second that your Orange Jesus stumble (bleep)'s his way into the White House.
And once there turns out to be the Liberal NY Dem we all tried to warn you he is and he does nothing of what you're praying he actually does.
What then? Are you and the rest of the Trumpkins here gonna admit you were wrong or just like you do now...find excuses to not blame him for what he does?
No, they will wholly adopt his liberalism and start marching. History is what it is.
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C'mon, folks, stop with the fever-swamp talk. President Hillary must be opposed by the Congress, and she will attain the Presidency without any mandate of her own. (That's how it goes when the only justification for your candidacy is the other guy's worse.)
Of course we will survive the next four years. Of course we must respect the results of the election. Of course we must redouble our efforts to protect the Constitution and the rights of the people. And in the end, we will.
I continue to believe in Reagan's shining city - in the words of Walt Whitman, a city invincible.
I dream'd in a dream, I saw a city invincible to the
attacks of the whole of the rest of the earth;
I dream'd that was the new City of Friends;
Nothing was greater there than the quality of robust
love—it led the rest;
It was seen every hour in the actions of the men of
that city,
And in all their looks and words.
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They do not believe you they think they can elect (ineligible) Ted Cruz in 2020 and everything will be alright. They can not see that by not electing Trump now means the end of the USA by 2020.
Elect Trump and we live to fight another day, do not elect Trump and there is no point in participating elections any longer. For conservatives it's game over under President Hillary.
Always with the "end of America." I've heard this for the last 20 years.
The Trumpkins are responsible for saddling us for the only candidate who can't beat Hillary.
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I guess time will tell. Tumblrina and Reddit warriors are notoriously pathetic in the real world.
Yep.
He's sitting here shouting instead of getting his ass out of the chair and knocking on doors.
But, that would be a real world solution to his butthurt, and might expose him to mean words to his face. :shrug:
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He's trying to blame the war solely on GWB. He forgets (intentionally) Muslims have been killing Christians since Muslims became a thing.
He's not gonna get away with selling that particular line of BS when I'm around. While he was back here tossing out "neo con this...illegal war that"...I was actually there.
I can tell you he's full of sh*t. The Caldonean Christians were protected and not harassed while W was in office and had competent people running things in the Pentagon.
The slaughter started happening once the currant occupant of the Oval Office gave the MoBros the green light to destroy the ME.
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No, they will wholly adopt his liberalism and start marching. History is what it is.
And that just tells me they were Libs to begin with.
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He's not gonna get away with selling that particular line of BS when I'm around. While he was back here tossing out "neo con this...illegal war that"...I was actually there.
I can tell you he's full of sh*t. The Caldonean Christians were protected and not harassed while W was in office and had competent people running things in the Pentagon.
The slaughter started happening once the currant occupant of the Oval Office gave the MoBros the green light to destroy the ME.
My kid was over there. She also worked with two SECDEFs. He won't sell that shit to me either.
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No, they will wholly adopt his liberalism and start marching. History is what it is.
yes history is what it is. History shows you've been wrong on the last 3 election cycles. You have gotten pretty good at losing.
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And the fact that his mother wans and is an American citizen therefore making Ted eligible under U.S. law shows us that your intellectual abilities are severely lacking.
Until the 1930s when Congress pasted a law allowing mothers to pass on citizenship Ted Cruz would not even be a citizen of the USA. If a law passed by Congress makes you a citizen you are BY DEFINITION A NATURALIZED CITIZEN not a natural born citizen. This is my last word on this topic, I do not enjoy arguing with fools.
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And that just tells me they were Libs to begin with.
I've been saying it all along.
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yes history is what it is. History shows you've been wrong on the last 3 election cycles. You have gotten pretty good at losing.
Actually I called the last 3 cycles perfectly. I know that upsets you.
I WANTED a different outcome. But I CALLED them 100% dead on. INCLUDING how mewling liberals would scream for liberals to save them. Which you did.
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1: He's eligible
2: We arent going to elect Trump.
True. Cruz is eligible. Whether or not he will be re-elected to the Senate in 2018 with a Clinton presidency is highly unlikely. The number of DEM voters will far exceed the number of GOP voters. I predict TX will turn blue.
I don't like Trump. I think he is unfit to be president, lacks the knowledge and the decorum to president and I think he is a male chauvinist pig. Cruz is right however, Trump is the only one standing between Hillary and the White House. Yes, there still is the chance voting 3rd party may deny either one of them the presidency.
I am not trying to persuade you to vote for someone you don't believe in, nor am I supporting Trump. I am simply laying out things as I see them unfolding.
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C'mon, folks, stop with the fever-swamp talk. President Hillary must be opposed by the Congress, and she will attain the Presidency without any mandate of her own. (That's how it goes when the only justification for your candidacy is the other guy's worse.)
Of course we will survive the next four years. Of course we must respect the results of the election. Of course we must redouble our efforts to protect the Constitution and the rights of the people. And in the end, we will.
I continue to believe in Reagan's shining city - in the words of Walt Whitman, a city invincible.
Keep dreaming. IF we don't retain our majority in Congress who is going to oppose Hillary?? Do you honestly think after amnesty is granted and the influx of Muslim immigrants takes hold that we will continue to hold the majority in the House during the midterms in 2018? You do realize that we stand to lose the House and the Senate in this election don't you?
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True. Cruz is eligible. Whether or not he will be re-elected to the Senate in 2018 with a Clinton presidency is highly unlikely. The number of DEM voters will far exceed the number of GOP voters. I predict TX will turn blue.
I don't like Trump. I think he is unfit to be president, lacks the knowledge and the decorum to president and I think he is a male chauvinist pig. Cruz is right however, Trump is the only one standing between Hillary and the White House. Yes, there still is the chance voting 3rd party may deny either one of them the presidency.
I am not trying to persuade you to vote for someone you don't believe in, nor am I supporting Trump. I am simply laying out things as I see them unfolding.
To me, this election is very simple. They all are. And it comes down to basic truths in life.
If you want something, you do not get it by doing the opposite of whats needed.
Nothing is free. Freedom isn't free. Pain is often required.
There is no case in recorded history of empowering evil resulting in a good outcome.
Clintons beliefs are unAmerican.
Trumps beliefs are unAmerican in a different way.
Third parties exist with more and better options than Trump or Clinton
The logical course of action in light of the above truths is to vote for Third parties/others that are not unAmerican/Evil. Every year some mewling party shill or liberal coward tells us the end of the world is nigh. Bullshit. It the world ends, it ends. It will do so without saying I helped it intentionally down a path to destruction.
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Keep dreaming. IF we don't retain our majority in Congress who is going to oppose Hillary?? Do you honestly think after amnesty is granted and the influx of Muslim immigrants takes hold that we will continue to hold the majority in the House during the midterms in 2018? You do realize that we stand to lose the House and the Senate in this election don't you?
Even IF we keep the house and senate, who in either of those has the power and will to oppose her?
Ryan? Mccain? Mcconnell?
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To me, this election is very simple. They all are. And it comes down to basic truths in life.
If you want something, you do not get it by doing the opposite of whats needed.
Nothing is free. Freedom isn't free. Pain is often required.
There is no case in recorded history of empowering evil resulting in a good outcome.
Clintons beliefs are unAmerican.
Trumps beliefs are unAmerican in a different way.
Third parties exist with more and better options than Trump or Clinton
The logical course of action in light of the above truths is to vote for Third parties/others that are not unAmerican/Evil. Every year some mewling party shill or liberal coward tells us the end of the world is nigh. Bullshit. It the world ends, it ends. It will do so without saying I helped it intentionally down a path to destruction.
So you advocate burning down the entire country because we don't have a perfect candidate??
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Then people better make plans for building a new country after the collapse. Preferably one where the people that destroyed this one (Liberals/Trump supporters) are banned from entry.
Or figure out how to survive under the Red Queen because thems da' choices. Trump is not an option.
This country will collapse under Hillary in the aspect that our rights under the Constitution will be gone and the acceptance and impact of Sharia law will be the new normal. So...do you really think our Republic can be rebuilt under those circumstances? I certainly don't. Trump is going to lose this election and I believe Hillary will be our next president. Living in Hillary's America is going to be a complete nightmare and people will be madly scrambling figuring out how to survive.
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Even IF we keep the house and senate, who in either of those has the power and will to oppose her?
Ryan? Mccain? Mcconnell?
This I totally agree with you on.
Which is why I and many others pushed for voting for conservatives over 'win no matter what' liberals. Are you starting to see where you screwed up yet?
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This country will collapse under Hillary in the aspect that our rights under the Constitution will be gone and the acceptance and impact of Sharia law will be the new normal. So...do you really think our Republic can be rebuilt under those circumstances? I certainly don't. Trump is going to lose this election and I believe Hillary will be our next president. Living in Hillary's America is going to be a complete nightmare and people will be madly scrambling figuring out how to survive.
Sure it will be a nightmare. But thats what lesser evil voters ensured. Now it has to collapse into hell before we can rebuild. America isn't the first empire to fall because it's own people killed it from within and it won't be the last.
The land mass is not going to simply vanish. Eventually enough people will rise out of their bondage and reestablish a free country.
I didn't make the rules. I just understand the history of the planet.
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So you advocate burning down the entire country because we don't have a perfect candidate??
Not at all. You ensured the country will burn down by electing cowards and liberals. I'm just pointing out that sane people should not help you do it.
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This I totally agree with you on.
Which is why I and many others pushed for voting for conservatives over 'win no matter what' liberals. Are you starting to see where you screwed up yet?
You continue to be dillusional.
You condemn good enough in the search for perfect. Cruz is a pretty good candidate but not perfect in your eyes. Nobody is good enough in your eyes, except maybe yourself.
There are two choices, Trump or Hillary. Thats it. Choosing not to vote is a failure to do ones duty to the country and will make things a little bit worse. It doesn't send a message, it doesn't teach the party a lesson, it doesn't advance conservatism, it only hurts.
Period, the time for your argument is during the primaries.
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Not at all. You ensured the country will burn down by electing cowards and liberals. I'm just pointing out that sane people should not help you do it.
Each and every person can either make the country a little bit better or a little bit worse. Someone will be elected and someone will be President. The only two people that are choices are Hillary and Trump. Both incredibly bad choices but one of them will be our next President. Period end of story.
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You continue to be dillusional.
You condemn good enough in the search for perfect. Cruz is a pretty good candidate but not perfect in your eyes. Nobody is good enough in your eyes, except maybe yourself.
There are two choices, Trump or Hillary. Thats it. Choosing not to vote is a failure to do ones duty to the country and will make things a little bit worse. It doesn't send a message, it doesn't teach the party a lesson, it doesn't advance conservatism, it only hurts.
Period, the time for your argument is during the primaries.
You have blurted out that nonsense as far back as I can remember. It's still nonsense. You need a new script. Yours got us where we are.
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Sure it will be a nightmare. But thats what lesser evil voters ensured. Now it has to collapse into hell before we can rebuild. America isn't the first empire to fall because it's own people killed it from within and it won't be the last.
The land mass is not going to simply vanish. Eventually enough people will rise out of their bondage and reestablish a free country.
I didn't make the rules. I just understand the history of the planet.
Agreed. A Hillary presidency will bring about the next civil war, and is just around the corner. It will result in the demise of this country. The re-establishment of another free country (revolution) I don't think will happen for quite awhile; certainly not during my lifetime anyways.
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Each and every person can either make the country a little bit better or a little bit worse. Someone will be elected and someone will be President. The only two people that are choices are Hillary and Trump. Both incredibly bad choices but one of them will be our next President. Period end of story.
My ballot says there are more than two options. Has a space for a write in too. Trump has earned my scorn, not my vote. As has Hillary. So they will not get it.
It's that simple, you cannot change it and lying about our choices only makes you look foolish.
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There are two choices, Trump or Hillary. Thats it. Choosing not to vote is a failure to do ones duty to the country and will make things a little bit worse. It doesn't send a message, it doesn't teach the party a lesson, it doesn't advance conservatism, it only hurts.
Hurts? Hurts who?
If I don't vote, then I don't vote for Trump. So that hurts him and the Republican Party? I'm also not voting for Hillary. So that helps Trump and the GOP.
You and others with your "not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary" line of BS are foolish.
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You have blurted out that nonsense as far back as I can remember. It's still nonsense. You need a new script. Yours got us where we are.
So theres a 3rd candidate with a chance of winning?
Losing is not a winning strategy.
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So theres a 3rd candidate with a chance of winning?
Losing is not a winning strategy.
I'm not interested in a liberal winning. Nor will I help one win. If that means losing, so be it. The responsibility for that liberal's actions will be on you.
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My ballot says there are more than two options. Has a space for a write in too. Trump has earned my scorn, not my vote. As has Hillary. So they will not get it.
It's that simple, you cannot change it and lying about our choices only makes you look foolish.
Lying? Nobody else has a chance of winning. The other two top out at about 7% in the polls COMBINED. All they can do is take votes away from one of the other two.
You like voting for losers. Thats why you have no hope of ever backing a winner. Why would anyone listen to and be persuaded by your message of losing?
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Lying? Nobody else has a chance of winning. The other two top out at about 7% in the polls COMBINED. All they can do is take votes away from one of the other two.
You like voting for losers. Thats why you have no hope of ever backing a winner. Why would anyone listen to and be persuaded by your message of losing?
You did say definitively there were two choices did you not? My ballot, which I have in hand shows four choices and a write in.
Now since your definitive statement stands in direct contradiction to the ballot in my hand, yes, you are absolutely lying.
You can OPINE that there are two choices that in YOUR OPINION can only win. But you didn't do that.
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Keep dreaming.
Yes, I'll keep dreaming, like Walt Whitman:
I dream'd in a dream, I saw a city invincible to the
attacks of the whole of the rest of the earth;
I dream'd that was the new City of Friends;
Nothing was greater there than the quality of robust
love—it led the rest;
It was seen every hour in the actions of the men of
that city,
And in all their looks and words.
Sorry, LB, I'm simply not a pessimist by nature, not when it comes to the resiliency and greatness of this nation. When the election's over, I'll continue to advocate for Reagan's vision, which was, let's not forget, largely achieved with the help of a Congress led by the opposite party.
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You did say definitively there were two choices did you not? My ballot, which I have in hand shows four choices and a write in.
Now since your definitive statement stands in direct contradiction to the ballot in my hand, yes, you are absolutely lying.
You can OPINE that there are two choices that in YOUR OPINION can only win. But you didn't do that.
I said two choices with a chance of winning. Perhaps I should talk S L O W E R
Show me another Presidential election where ANY candidate who was polling less than 8% 3 weeks before the election ended up winning.
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The fact that you think the son of a Cuban born in Canada is eligible under original intent, tells me all I need to know about your intellectual abilities and your conservative boifides.
Irrational and incorrect thinking like this is what lead us to having Trump as a candidate. If anyone thinks they understand "original intent" then they are fooling themselves.
@Norm Lenhart
@jpsb
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Lying? Nobody else has a chance of winning. The other two top out at about 7% in the polls COMBINED. All they can do is take votes away from one of the other two.
You like voting for losers. Thats why you have no hope of ever backing a winner. Why would anyone listen to and be persuaded by your message of losing?
I don't know if you were lucid enough to see the debate last night, but your boy Donny said there is only one person with a chance of winning. He said it is a rigged game and the will lose because of it.
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I said two choices with a chance of winning. Perhaps I should talk S L O W E R
Show me another Presidential election where ANY candidate who was polling less than 8% 3 weeks before the election ended up winning.
Still only your opinion because you can't predict the future. Instead of typing slower, you should take a civics and history class.
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Irrational and incorrect thinking like this is what lead us to having Trump as a candidate. If anyone thinks they understand "original intent" then they are fooling themselves.
@Norm Lenhart
@jpsb
People like this are great bellweathers. There's a huge chance that the opposite of what they say turns out to be true. I rarely see it fail.
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Yes, I'll keep dreaming, like Walt Whitman:
Sorry, LB, I'm simply not a pessimist by nature, not when it comes to the resiliency and greatness of this nation. When the election's over, I'll continue to advocate for Reagan's vision, which was, let's not forget, largely achieved with the help of a Congress led by the opposite party.
Jazz, I'm not being pessimistic but realistic. Even with your Reaganist vision; exactly how do you see anything gets accomplished with the Constitution ignored by the SCOTUS tilted to the left a DEM majority in both Houses and millions of additional DEMS eligible to vote? Many of the new voters won't know Reagan's America, nor the patriotism that was the very core of his success.
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Jazz, I'm not being pessimistic but realistic. Even with your Reaganist vision; exactly how do you see anything gets accomplished with the Constitution ignored by the SCOTUS tilted to the left a DEM majority in both Houses and millions of additional DEMS eligible to vote? Many of the new voters won't know Reagan's America, nor the patriotism that was the very core of his success.
LB, that's why I quoted Whitman's poem. I'm not worried about new immigrants. All my grandparents were immigrants. The idea and promise of America is infectious. It can't be killed by Hillary Clinton.
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Lying? Nobody else has a chance of winning. The other two top out at about 7% in the polls COMBINED. All they can do is take votes away from one of the other two.
You like voting for losers. Thats why you have no hope of ever backing a winner. Why would anyone listen to and be persuaded by your message of losing?
The time for conservatives/republicans to fight it out between themselves was the primaries. Anyone that voted in the GOP primaries but does not vote GOP in general is a fraud. A spoiled brat, your typical teenage girl is more mature then these NeverTrumpers.
Voting for some irrelevant third party candidate makes you irrelevant and nobody pays any attention to folks that make themselves irrelevant.
All chiefs (I know better than you) and no Indians never won a battle. Making good the enemy of prefect never advanced an agenda. Politics is the art of the practical, not a science.
Democrats are vastly better at politics than we are. Democrats stick together no matter what, Republicans run for cover at the first hint of trouble. Until we learn discipline and stand by our candidate even if we are less then trilled with him, we will continue to lose ground to the Rats. Sadly there is no more ground to lose. Hillary means the end of America, Trump means we live to fight another day.
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I don't know if you were lucid enough to see the debate last night, but your boy Donny said there is only one person with a chance of winning. He said it is a rigged game and the will lose because of it.
The 'game' was over when they handed Trump the nomination. Voting districts have been redrawn and favor the DEMS and the DEMS have outnumbered the GOP in registering new voters. Hillary Clinton will be the first female president. She has been lying, cheating, manipulating, and fighting her entire life to achieve the presidency. NOTHING (other than an act of God) is going to stop her. NOTHING.
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The time for conservatives/republicans to fight it out between themselves was the primaries. Anyone that voted in the GOP primaries but does not vote GOP in general is a fraud. A spoiled brat, your typical teenage girl is more mature then these NeverTrumpers.
Voting for some irrelevant third party candidate makes you irrelevant and nobody pays any attention to folks that make themselves irrelevant.
All chiefs (I know better than you) and no Indians never won a battle. Making good the enemy of prefect never advanced an agenda. Politics is the art of the practical, not a science.
Democrats and vastly better at politics than we are. Democrats stick together no matter what, Republicans run for cover at the first hint of trouble. Until we learn discipline and stand by our candidate even if we are less then trilled with him, we will continue to lose ground to the Rats. Sadly there is no more ground to lose. Hillary means the end of America, Trump means we live to fight another day.
Donald is disappointed by your disloyalty. You failed him. You could not bring us to heel.
You were disloyal to Donald. Feel his disappointment flow through you. Feel his sadness. Do the right thing.
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The time for conservatives/republicans to fight it out between themselves was the primaries. Anyone that voted in the GOP primaries but does not vote GOP in general is a fraud. A spoiled brat, your typical teenage girl is more mature then these NeverTrumpers.
Voting for some irrelevant third party candidate makes you irrelevant and nobody pays any attention to folks that make themselves irrelevant.
All chiefs (I know better than you) and no Indians never won a battle. Making good the enemy of prefect never advanced an agenda. Politics is the art of the practical, not a science.
Democrats and vastly better at politics than we are. Democrats stick together no matter what, Republicans run for cover at the first hint of trouble. Until we learn discipline and stand by our candidate even if we are less then trilled with him, we will continue to lose ground to the Rats. Sadly there is no more ground to lose. Hillary means the end of America, Trump means we live to fight another day.
It seems that you are forgetting that there is a chance that a 3rd party candidate could deny either Trump or Hillary the majority needed to secure the White House. In that event, the House selects the president from the 3 candidates with the greatest number of electoral votes. Right now McMullin is winning in Utah. Johnson could win New Mexico. There is a possibility that voting 3rd party could actually throw the election to the House. There are some who are willing to take that chance.
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Irrational and incorrect thinking like this is what lead us to having Trump as a candidate. If anyone thinks they understand "original intent" then they are fooling themselves.
@Norm Lenhart
@jpsb
Until the 1930s when Congress pasted a law allowing mothers to pass on citizenship Ted Cruz would not even be a citizen of the USA. Did you get that? Cruz would not even be citizen of the USA until the 1930's. Now how is someone that would not even be a citizen under orginal intent and Natural Born Citizen. This I've got to hear.
If a law passed by Congress makes you a citizen you are BY DEFINITION A NATURALIZED CITIZEN.
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The time for conservatives/republicans to fight it out between themselves was the primaries.
Wake up. Conservatives are not fighting with you GOP'ers. We are letting you hang yourself with your loser candidate all on your own.
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Then people better make plans for building a new country after the collapse. Preferably one where the people that destroyed this one (Liberals/Trump supporters) are banned from entry.
Or figure out how to survive under the Red Queen because thems da' choices. Trump is not an option.
We can build a wall to keep all the liberal/Trumpanzee's from entering.
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The 'game' was over when they handed Trump the nomination. Voting districts have been redrawn and favor the DEMS and the DEMS have outnumbered the GOP in registering new voters. Hillary Clinton will be the first female president. She has been lying, cheating, manipulating, and fighting her entire life to achieve the presidency. NOTHING (other than an act of God) is going to stop her. NOTHING.
To Paraphrase a recent movie, Hillary's not the president America needs, but she's the president America deserves.
Time to hunker down folks. Its gonna be a bumpy ride.
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We can build a wall to keep all the liberal/Trumpanzee's from entering.
And make them pay for it.
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Donald is disappointed by your disloyalty. You failed him. You could not bring us to heel.
You were disloyal to Donald. Feel his disappointment flow through you. Feel his sadness. Do the right thing.
Hillary appreciates your support.
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It seems that you are forgetting that there is a chance that a 3rd party candidate could deny either Trump or Hillary the majority needed to secure the White House. In that event, the House selects the president from the 3 candidates with the greatest number of electoral votes. Right now McMullin is winning in Utah. Johnson could win New Mexico. There is a possibility that voting 3rd party could actually throw the election to the House. There are some who are willing to take that chance.
It's a small chance, but one I'm willing to vote for. And besides, my vote against Trump is, IMO, a vote to help save conservatism. I want conservatism to reflect Reagan's optimistic vision, not Trump's racialist nihilism.
There is a positive good to Trump being soundly repudiated by patriots of all stripes.
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Until the 1930s when Congress pasted a law allowing mothers to pass on citizenship Ted Cruz would not even be a citizen of the USA. Did you get that? Cruz would not even be citizen of the USA until the 1930's. Now how is someone that would not even be a citizen under orginal intent and Natural Born Citizen. This I've got to hear.
If a law passed by Congress makes you a citizen you are BY DEFINITION A NATURALIZED CITIZEN.
Flailing does not lessen the disappointment Donald feels toward your disloyalty. You need to atone. Atone for the sin of disappointing Donald.
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Hillary appreciates your support.
It's too late. You failed to bring us to heel. Yet you still use the same failed tactics that caused Donald to lose face.
You caused Donald to lose more face. His disappointment grows in you. You must atone for your disloyalty.
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It seems that you are forgetting that there is a chance that a 3rd party candidate could deny either Trump or Hillary the majority needed to secure the White House. In that event, the House selects the president from the 3 candidates with the greatest number of electoral votes. Right now McMullin is winning in Utah. Johnson could win New Mexico. There is a possibility that voting 3rd party could actually throw the election to the House. There are some who are willing to take that chance.
First there are rules for who can be elected by Congress and wining one state does not make you eligible to be elected to president by Congress. At least that is my recollection. But we are now in a post constitutional USA so one never knows. But even if, there is no way the Congress would not either Hillary or Trump.
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First there are rules for who can be elected by Congress and wining one state does not make you eligible to be elected to president by Congress. At least that is my recollection. But we are now in a post constitutional USA so one never knows. But even if, there is no way the Congress would not either Hillary or Trump.
Make your mind up disloyal one. If we are post Constitutional then where Ted Cruz was born isn't a problem.
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Flailing does not lessen the disappointment Donald feels toward your disloyalty. You need to atone. Atone for the sin of disappointing Donald.
Once again you bring nothing to the conservation but idiocy.
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Until the 1930s when Congress pasted a law allowing mothers to pass on citizenship Ted Cruz would not even be a citizen of the USA. Did you get that? Cruz would not even be citizen of the USA until the 1930's. Now how is someone that would not even be a citizen under orginal intent and Natural Born Citizen. This I've got to hear.
If a law passed by Congress makes you a citizen you are BY DEFINITION A NATURALIZED CITIZEN.
@jpsb
Thanks for making my point. Ted Cruz is a US citizen. Therefore he is eligible to serve as President.
Clearly the framers of the Constitution had no clue what they were talking about when it came to that one special class of citizen known as a Natural Born Citizen which only applied to the President. For if they had got it right in the first; there would not have been hundreds (thousands even) of legal challenges, laws, court cases, SCOTUS decisions and more to redefine this vague and unclear concept over the last couple of centuries.
"Original Intent" my Obama.
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Make your mind up disloyal one. If we are post Constitutional then where Ted Cruz was born isn't a problem.
Correct, I am happy to see you admit the Constitution means nothing to you. I however still belief in our Constitution which is why I always include "under original intent". Original intent is very important otherwise you have a living document that means whatever the folks in power want it to mean.
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Once again you bring nothing to the conservation but idiocy.
Do the right thing. Atone for disappointing Donald. Kill your router. Hunt it down with dogs. REMEMBER it was the tool you used to broadcast your disloyalty to Donald.
Do IiiiiTTTTttttt......
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Correct, I am happy to see you admit the Constitution means nothing to you. I however still belief in our Constitution which is why I always include "under original intent". Original intent is very important otherwise you have a living document that means whatever the folks in power want it to mean.
Flailing again will not blind people to your contradiction. Or your disloyalty to Donald.
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@jpsb
Thanks for making my point. Ted Cruz is a US citizen. Therefore he is eligible to serve as President.
Our constitution gives Congress authority over naturalization. Natural Born Citizens (NBC) are not naturalized citizens there is no law that makes them a citizen. Since Cruz became a citizen via an act of Congress he is a naturalized citizen and thus under original intent not a NBC.
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Our constitution gives Congress authority over naturalization. Natural Born Citizens (NBC) are not naturalized citizens there is no law that makes them a citizen. Since Cruz became a citizen via an act of Congress he is a naturalized citizen and thus under original intent not a NBC.
Make up your mind disloyal one. You just told us we are post Constitutional. The constitution is no longer in effect. Nothing it says matters now. you said so.
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But we are now in a post constitutional USA so one never knows.
If we are truly in a post constitutional USA, as you claim, what difference does it make if Trump or Hillary wins?
Why bother fighting for Trump? Why bother fighting against Clinton?
If you are correct, it is all wasted energy.
I do not believe it myself, but I see that we have moved that direction.
A Trump or Clinton presidency may make the move complete.
Neither have shown me anything to prove otherwise.
If you are correct that it has happened, why bother?
Are you thinking Trump will be a more benevolent dictator than Clinton?
Is this your logic?
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Hillary appreciates your support.
Are you paid to keep lying like this, or do you do it for free?
And if you're paid, who is dumb enough to waste their money with someone who is so ineffective in persuading people to vote for Trump? (you)
The more you post, the less support Trump gets.
Maybe you should take a break, and let the next troll take over......... whoever is in line behind you.
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If we are truly in a post constitutional USA, as you claim, what difference does it make if Trump or Hillary wins?
Why bother fighting for Trump? Why bother fighting against Clinton?
If you are correct, it is all wasted energy.
I do not believe it myself, but I see that we have moved that direction.
A Trump or Clinton presidency may make the move complete.
Neither have shown me anything to prove otherwise.
If you are correct that it has happened, why bother?
Are you thinking Trump will be a more benevolent dictator than Clinton?
Is this your logic?
Trump has released names of judges he would consider for the Supreme Court all are conservatives that believe in original intent. For that alone Trump deserves our votes.
Put enough original intent judges in the courts and we might be able to return to a constitutional republic.
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Are you paid to keep lying like this, or do you do it for free?
And if you're paid, who is dumb enough to waste their money with someone who is so ineffective in persuading people to vote for Trump? (you)
The more you post, the less support Trump gets.
Maybe you should take a break, and let the next troll take over......... whoever is in line behind you.
He's scared. He is scared that he has to face the rest of his life knowing he failed Donald. That he was disloyal. So he flails as you say, ineffectively with the same tired lines that led to this failure.
And all the while, Donald sees. He looks down from the heaven of Trump Tower and he sees that his minion was disloyal. A failure.
Donald has lost face.
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Trump has released names of judges he would consider for the Supreme Court all are conservatives that believe in original intent. For that alone Trump deserves our votes.
Put enough original intent judges in the courts and we might be able to return to a constitutional republic.
Sesame Street releases lists of numbers and write songs around them. Trump releases lists of names someone else wrote.
Bert/Ernie 2016 FTW
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Are you paid to keep lying like this, or do you do it for free?
And if you're paid, who is dumb enough to waste their money with someone who is so ineffective in persuading people to vote for Trump? (you)
The more you post, the less support Trump gets.
Maybe you should take a break, and let the next troll take over......... whoever is in line behind you.
I realize I'll never make NeverTrumpers see the light but I do enjoy making them feel the beat. BTW have you visited Paul Ryans facebook page yet?
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Trump has released names of judges he would consider for the Supreme Court all are conservatives that believe in original intent. For that alone Trump deserves our votes.
Put enough original intent judges in the courts and we might be able to return to a constitutional republic.
Yet he has also put out policies like federally paid maternity leave, stop-and-frisk, tightening libel laws against the press, and others that an original intent justice would strike down.
Do you really believe he will nominate a judge off of his list that would strike down his proposals?
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Trump has released names of judges he would consider for the Supreme Court all are conservatives that believe in original intent. For that alone Trump deserves our votes.
Put enough original intent judges in the courts and we might be able to return to a constitutional republic.
And with Obama packing the courts with lifetime appointments right now...what makes you think anyone on that list will get approved?
The Congressional leadership has showed ZERO interest in fighting the Dems over the last 14 years.
And you're assuming that his list was anything other than just a way to try and get votes. He doesn't have a track record of keeping his word.
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I realize I'll never make NeverTrumpers see the light but I do enjoy making them feel the beat. BTW have you visited Paul Ryans facebook page yet?
When I want to feel the beat I play youtube in the background. Right now I'm listening to Earthside
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu62Q1N64zc
But lately I have been listening to Synthwave like Dance with the Dead, The Midnight and Paradise Walk.
Generally feeling the beat is not what one associates with politics. But thats just Donald speaking through your disloyalty and causing you confusion.
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Hillary appreciates your support.
I'm not the guy you should be lashing out at.
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He's scared. He is scared that he has to face the rest of his life knowing he failed Donald. That he was disloyal. So he flails as you say, ineffectively with the same tired lines that led to this failure.
And all the while, Donald sees. He looks down from the heaven of Trump Tower and he sees that his minion was disloyal. A failure.
Donald has lost face.
See I post substantive, intelligent, logical arguments supporting my views and you post dribble.
If you want this site to be successful you might occasionally try to do the same. I know it will be hard for you, and be sure to have a friend, if you have any, review for you before you post it.
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I'm not the guy you should be lashing out at.
Sorry @skeeter that comment was meat for Norm
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See I post substantive, intelligent, logical arguments supporting my views and you post dribble.
If you want this site to be successful you might occasionally try to do the same. I know it will be hard for you, and be sure to have a friend, if you have any, review for you before you post it.
See, you don't. At all. you post monotonous diatribes about how everyone is a hillary supporter, have no freaking clue as to history or civics and generally make a fool of yourself. I'm just pointing it out lest anyone be as confused as you are.
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Sorry @skeeter that comment was meat for Norm
And I'll be happy to make a sammich out of it.
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Yet he has also put out policies like federally paid maternity leave, stop-and-frisk, tightening libel laws against the press, and others that an original intent justice would strike down.
Do you really believe he will nominate a judge off of his list that would strike down his proposals?
He put that list out there so now he owns it. There would be hell to paid if the nominated someone not on that list, pure hell.
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He put that list out there so now he owns it. There would be hell to paid if the nominated someone not on that list, pure hell.
From who? You? What are you gonna do? Try drowning him in your tears of sadness?
Edit: Were you sick the day he said that everything he said prior to the election was merely negotiation tactics? You are being negotiated.
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From who? You? What are you gonna do? Try drowning him in your tears of sadness?
More buffoonery from Norm but hey that is what he is good at.
When the GOP was posed to pass amnesty the GOP base light up the phone lines in DC, they gave the reps an earful. Amnesty did not pass. I think something similar would happen should Trump nominate someone not on his list. However I have no doubt Trump will in fact nominate off that list.
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From who? You? What are you gonna do? Try drowning him in your tears of sadness?
Edit: Were you sick the day he said that everything he said prior to the election was merely negotiation tactics? You are being negotiated.
He must have missed the part too about Rob Manafred saying that Trump says what will get the biggest cheer from the crowd.
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More buffoonery from Norm but hey that is what he is good at.
When the GOP was posed to pass amnesty the GOP base light up the phone lines in DC, they gave the reps an earful. Amnesty did not pass. I think something similar would happen should Trump nominate someone not on his list. However I have no doubt Trump will in fact nominate off that list.
That call to arms was done by conservative talk radio and Fox News.
With a couple of exceptions...Conservative Talk Radio and Fox News are in the tank for Trump.
You don't seriously think they'll suddenly turn against him after they've invested so much to get him to where he is do you?
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He put that list out there so now he owns it. There would be hell to paid if the nominated someone not on that list, pure hell.
He owns "the wall", too, but that has been repeatedly modified in the last year, to the point it could mean anything anyone wants it to mean.
I think Trump will only nominate justices that suit his agenda, and some of his agenda, as noted before, falls outside the constitution.
So, either his not shooting straight on his agenda, or he is not shooting straight on his supreme court nomination list.
Which one is it?
It can't be both.
Which one is most important to Trump, as he is the nominee?
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That call to arms was done by conservative talk radio and Fox News.
With a couple of exceptions...Conservative Talk Radio and Fox News are in the tank for Trump.
You don't seriously think they'll suddenly turn against him after they've invested so much to get him to where he is do you?
"They" have not invested in him,"they" have invested in the issues he has brought to the campaign. Supreme Court Justices being one of the more important issues means yes they would raise hell if he broke his word on judicial appointments.
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That call to arms was done by conservative talk radio and Fox News.
With a couple of exceptions...Conservative Talk Radio and Fox News are in the tank for Trump.
You don't seriously think they'll suddenly turn against him after they've invested so much to get him to where he is do you?
He doesn't think outside the moment. Things exist in a vacuum for Trumps backers. Trump speaks and it is so. Reality, history and common sense cannot intrude.
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"They" have not invested in him,"they" have invested in the issues he has brought to the campaign. Supreme Court Justices being one of the more important issues means yes they would raise hell if he broke his word on judicial appointments.
That post is exactly what I mean about reality and history not intruding on you.
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The bottom line may well be for many that Donald Trump lacks the common sense to be President. He had his best debate performance last night (so did Clinton), but the headlines this morning are all about the softball question he was asked and missed.
You don't go saying in advance that you may not respect the results of the election. Pence and Ivanka Trump weren't that stupid - each said, sure, the results of the election will be respected. That's the most sacred thing about this nation - our two centuries-plus tradition of the peaceful transfer of power. We accept the results of the peoples' plebicite and assume the mantle of loyal opposition while biding our time until the next election. That's America, in all its fundamental decency and fairness.
Trump's a bonehead, playing to his fever-swamp base while relieving himself on the people, rejecting our judgment, and disrespecting our Constitutional republic and its traditions.
All the more reason for CONSERVATIVES to reject this un-American, dangerous clown. As bad as four years of Hillary Clinton will be, we will survive with the fabric of our nation intact. Trump's the far greater danger, because he lacks a basic respect for Reagan's shining city.
I see no law or custom that says Americans must accept the results of a presidential election when it involves widespread voter fraud and corruption I sure as hell won't nor will I accept the legitimacy of any presidential candidate and government that cheats their way in to office with massive voter fraud and subversion like O'keefe described
somebody needs to send Hillery and her lackeys in the MSM
this little reminder of what can happen when Americans get fed up with democratic voter fraud and voter suppression
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm
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"They" have not invested in him,"they" have invested in the issues he has brought to the campaign.
No the conservative media...like you...has done everything it can to promote the myth of Trump the Savior. Hiding his flaws weaknesses and explaining away every single gaffe and eff up he's made.
Supreme Court Justices being one of the more important issues means yes they would raise hell if he broke his word on judicial appointments.
Well then continue to keep your subjective outrage beanie on because IF Trump gets elected he's not going to put anyone on that list on a federal bench anywhere in the U.S. that they don't currently occupy.
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I see no law or custom that says Americans must accept the results of a presidential election when it involves widespread voter fraud and corruption I sure as hell won't nor will I accept the legitimacy of any presidential candidate and government that cheats their way in to office with massive voter fraud and subversion like O'keefe described
somebody needs to send Hillery and her lackeys in the MSM
this little reminder of what can happen when Americans get fed up with democratic voter fraud and voter suppression
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm
Too bad you don't realize that Donny is playing you like a fiddle with his talk of rigged elections.
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I realize I'll never make NeverTrumpers see the light but I do enjoy making them feel the beat. BTW have you visited Paul Ryans facebook page yet?
Feel the beat by telling outright lies??
What happened to your conscience, j? Did it disappear when you swallowed the "Trump is god" pill whole? Did it disappear when you disavowed any conservatism you once had?
When did telling lies become OK with you??
And when will you realize that your lies aren't getting any Trump converts, but just making you look like a dishonest fool?
btw, who's the puppet master giving you your marching orders? (whoever it is, is really stupid).
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He doesn't think outside the moment. Things exist in a vacuum for Trumps backers. Trump speaks and it is so. Reality, history and common sense cannot intrude.
Trump is the word. And His word is YUUUUGE.
**nononono*
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I see no law or custom that says Americans must accept the results of a presidential election when it involves widespread voter fraud and corruption I sure as hell won't nor will I accept the legitimacy of any presidential candidate and government that cheats their way in to office with massive voter fraud and subversion like O'keefe described
somebody needs to send Hillery and her lackeys in the MSM
this little reminder of what can happen when Americans get fed up with democratic voter fraud and voter suppression
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29)
http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm (http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm)
You could take this more seriously if Trump wasn't:
a) a moron
b) running 7 points behind in the polls.
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Too bad you don't realize that Donny is playing you like a fiddle with his talk of rigged elections.
I want to see these keyboard Bravehearts enforce their will. How do they plan on ignoring the results from a federal prison? Because they would quickly find themselves incarcerated or dead if they took part in the one way to actually 'ignore the results' of an election. Violence.
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Trump is the word. And His word is YUUUUGE.
**nononono*
Yes but Donald is disappointed in his minions failure to bring us to heel. they were disloyal to him. Donald will abandon them. They will suffer being separated from the holy light of Trump Tower.
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I see no law or custom that says Americans must accept the results of a presidential election when it involves widespread voter fraud and corruption I sure as hell won't nor will I accept the legitimacy of any presidential candidate and government that cheats their way in to office with massive voter fraud and subversion like O'keefe described
somebody needs to send Hillery and her lackeys in the MSM
this little reminder of what can happen when Americans get fed up with democratic voter fraud and voter suppression
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm
Although I cringed when he said that last night he is right. Why announce/concede before all the votes are counted...if it is a close race. The MSM acts like this is unprecedented which is far from the case.
I agree with Joe Scarborough on this
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,230620.0.html
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Although I cringed when he said that last night he is right. Why announce/concede before all the votes are counted...if it is a close race. The MSM acts like this is unprecedented which is far from the case.
I agree with Joe Scarborough on this
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,230620.0.html
He shouldn't concede prior. I agree.
The PROBLEM is he is trial ballooning the deligtimizing of an election before the election even starts. He is planting the seed that if he loses, it's automatically a rigged election.
The logical result of that is violent revolution.
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That post is exactly what I mean about reality and history not intruding on you.
You know Norm, unlike you there are people that care about issues. Yes really, lots of them.
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Trump's a bonehead . . .
That is the perfect word.
He's many things, but "bonehead" describes how he so-often acts.
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First there are rules for who can be elected by Congress and wining one state does not make you eligible to be elected to president by Congress. At least that is my recollection. But we are now in a post constitutional USA so one never knows. But even if, there is no way the Congress would not either Hillary or Trump.
Obviously you either didn't read what I wrote, or you don't understand. IF a 3rd party nominee denies both Hillary and Trump the majority needed (270) to win the election then the election is decided by the House....
Article II of the Constitution:
...The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President.
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Too bad you don't realize that Donny is playing you like a fiddle with his talk of rigged elections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY)
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He shouldn't concede prior. I agree.
The PROBLEM is he is trial ballooning the deligtimizing of an election before the election even starts. He is planting the seed that if he loses, it's automatically a rigged election.
The logical result of that is violent revolution.
What a lot of people (the presstitues especially) forget is that Trump correctly explained how elections are rigged.
And that is through the media lies and manipulations. Through the pro-Clinton support. Through the outright hatred of anything good and decent.
Would it be a fair assumption that the media support adds 10 percent to Hillary in the polls? 15 percent? Even more?
Norm, when that violent revolution does come. Let us not forget who the first targets must be. Who must first be paid back.
@Norm Lenhart
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Obviously you either didn't read what I wrote, or you don't understand. IF a 3rd party nominee denies both Hillary and Trump the majority needed (270) to win the election then the election is decided by the House....
Article II of the Constitution:
...The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President.
I understood you, my recollection is that a candidate for president has to have won more than one state to be eligible to be considered by Congress. Now I might be wrong on that but that is my recollection. So IIRC then only Hillary and Trump would be eligible to be elected by Congress under your scenario. Perhaps someone that knows the 14th and additional following on legislation can straighten me out if I am wrong. And no Norm I am not talking about you or any other NeverTrumper.
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What a lot of people (the presstitues especially) forget is that Trump correctly explained how elections are rigged.
And that is through the media lies and manipulations. Through the pro-Clinton support. Through the outright hatred of anything good and decent.
Would it be a fair assumption that the media support adds 10 percent to Hillary in the polls? 15 percent? Even more?
Norm, when that violent revolution does come. Let us not forget who the first targets must be. Who must first be paid back.
@Norm Lenhart
BTW.....
DONALD TRUMP
I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking anything now I will look at it at the time. What I've seen, what I've seen it so bad. First of all the media is so dishonest and so corrupt and the pile on is so amazing that the New York Times actually wrote an article about it that they don't even care. It's so dishonest and they poison the minds of the voters but unfortunately for them I think the voters are seeing through it.
Does anybody know (have a link) to the NYT article Trump is talking about?
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@TomSea
I thought it was very nice of Hillary to tell the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, etc, that it takes 4 minutes to from order to launch. Anyone else giving that info away would be in jail, I sure the FBI will get right on that.
That's already common knowledge in the the corriders of power.
Try harder.
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Obviously you either didn't read what I wrote, or you don't understand. IF a 3rd party nominee denies both Hillary and Trump the majority needed (270) to win the election then the election is decided by the House....
Article II of the Constitution:
...The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President.
Mostly correct, though the HOR chooses from the top three, not five (the section you quote being superseeded by tyhe 12th Ammendment).
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BTW.....
Does anybody know (have a link) to the NYT article Trump is talking about?
Just talking to myself here. Carry on.
Mebbe this is the article? http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/magazine/anatomy-of-a-media-conspiracy.html?_r=0
Or this.... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/17/business/media/criticism-of-the-news-media-takes-on-a-more-sinister-tone.html
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You know Norm, unlike you there are people that care about issues. Yes really, lots of them.
The problem is that you are like a soldier expecting to equipped with a full loadout and led by George Patton, then Cindy Sheehan shows up with recordings of "Give peace a chance".
Category error on your part. Putting the cart before the horse...Trump supporters have quite literally made every mistake that can be made. Your entire battle plan revolves around the wrong problem and you cannot be shown your error no matter how many facts prove it is in fact an error.
You can keep bulling ahead lying about hillary supporters, which there are none of here...you can keep screaming MAGA! while your guy backtracks on his whole string of ephermeral promises. In the end, you will fail. You will not get what you want whether Trump wins or not because you chose a fraud as toyr standard bearer.
fortunately you'll never have that opportunity for disappointment because he is going to lose.
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That's already common knowledge in the the corriders of power.
Try harder.
Hell, anyone who ever practiced "Duck and Cover" knows that too.
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Kellyanne Conway walks away from TV interview while trying to explain Trump’s refusal
Refusal to do what?
Grab her pu$$y?
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Mostly correct, though the HOR chooses from the top three, not five (the section you quote being superseeded by tyhe 12th Ammendment).
Thank you for pointing that out and correction noted.
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Kellyanne Conway walks away from TV interview while trying to explain Trump’s refusal
Refusal to do what?
Grab her pu$$y?
??? Headline is indeed misleading.
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I understood you, my recollection is that a candidate for president has to have won more than one state to be eligible to be considered by Congress. Now I might be wrong on that but that is my recollection. So IIRC then only Hillary and Trump would be eligible to be elected by Congress under your scenario. Perhaps someone that knows the 14th and additional following on legislation can straighten me out if I am wrong. And no Norm I am not talking about you or any other NeverTrumper.
I've never heard of such. Perhaps you are thinking of the rule that you have (had?) to have won at least eight states to win the Republican nomination?
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Too bad you don't realize that Donny is playing you like a fiddle with his talk of rigged elections.
@txradioguy
The talking heads on TV are making super mistakes about how elections are run. I am going somewhere today, but tomorrow I will write an article about the laws passed in 2000 after the Florida fiasco, and every state must follow these laws. I watched them go into effect in Texas, I worked teaching those new laws and the other laws pertaining to elections. I will write about the 2000 new laws and the other laws already on the books about how elections happen - the structure of election laws to bring about valid and fair elections.
It will be a long article because explaining laws takes time and I want all of you to understand them so you know the TV talking heads don't know jack about elections. If they would bother to bring in just one Secretary of State's official who has the responsibility to run state elections, they would get some true information.
Some of the subjects covered tomorrow will be:
1. The process to determine whether a person wanting to be a registered voter is a citizen or a non-citizen. How non-citizens think they are registered but find out they are not.
2. How dead people's names get off the voter registration roll.
3. How someone looks like he/she is voting a valid ballot but he/she is not - yet. Provisional Ballot.
4. How mail-in/absentee ballots are verified and counted.
5. How military ballots are determined to be valid by date, and counted. (This was a major problem in Florida in 2000. The election judge didn't know the law.)
6. All you ever want to know about electronic voting machines: how they work, how they are put into service, how they are kept safe from tampering.
7. How voting districts lines are determined.
8. Law requiring automatic re-count of ballots.
Plus, other voting laws. Using Trump's word, this post of mine tomorrow as a thread, will be a BIGGLY election law thread.
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mrpotatohead @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe
@Gov Bean Counter @EC @Oceander
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Kellyanne Conway walks away from TV interview while trying to explain Trump’s refusal
Refusal to do what?
Grab her pu$$y?
LOL. Well she works for Donny so one can never tell what they're in to.
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The 'game' was over when they handed Trump the nomination. Voting districts have been redrawn and favor the DEMS and the DEMS have outnumbered the GOP in registering new voters. Hillary Clinton will be the first female president. She has been lying, cheating, manipulating, and fighting her entire life to achieve the presidency. NOTHING (other than an act of God) is going to stop her. NOTHING.
Voting districts are handled after each census at a state level. 2010 was the last time it happened. In 2010, the states that had population growth were governed by Republicans. They determined how their states new districts were created.
You are completely wrong on this.
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Until the 1930s when Congress pasted a law allowing mothers to pass on citizenship Ted Cruz would not even be a citizen of the USA. Did you get that? Cruz would not even be citizen of the USA until the 1930's. Now how is someone that would not even be a citizen under orginal intent and Natural Born Citizen. This I've got to hear.
If a law passed by Congress makes you a citizen you are BY DEFINITION A NATURALIZED CITIZEN.
Those borne of naturalized citizens are native borne, not naturalized.
His mother is the naturalized citizen, thus he is native born.
:facepalm2:
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Next year he'll deny he ever ran for President.
Especially since he has made many comments that he doesn't like losers.
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That's already common knowledge in the the corriders of power.
Try harder.
@Wingnut
@HonestJohn
OK but first I'll note that a lot of you NeverTrumper really are for Hillary. She gives away national security secrets and you defend her.
Hillary Clinton divulged Top Secret nuclear security intelligence to tens of millions of worldwide television audience viewers Wednesday night during the third presidential debate, according to high-ranking Department of Defense personnel.
http://truepundit.com/pentagon-hillary-clinton-should-be-arrested-for-leaking-top-secret-nuclear-intelligence-on-national-tv/
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That's already common knowledge in the the corriders of power.
Try harder.
OTOH, kudos to the young lady for keeping it this close. Trump is a buffoon.
Poker wise she was dealt 5 consecutive 2-7 off suited hands.
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Voting districts are handled after each census at a state level. 2010 was the last time it happened. In 2010, the states that had population growth were governed by Republicans. They determined how their states new districts were created.
You are completely wrong on this.
Not completely wrong. Here in FL we have R control of state government and redistricting that in some cases favors the Ds. Also keep in mind the courts (including federal) will have their say.
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Hell, anyone who ever practiced "Duck and Cover" knows that too.
Really duck and cover taught you that it takes 4 minutes from the time the president orders a launch until the weapons are launched. I did duck and cover as a child and I did not know that.
Question, do you think that the nuclear response time is classified?
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I've never heard of such. Perhaps you are thinking of the rule that you have (had?) to have won at least eight states to win the Republican nomination?
No, I just remember reading that a few months ago. But I will take your correction and thank you for correcting me.
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Question, do you think that the nuclear response time is classified?
Nuclear response time is not classified. You WANT your opponents to know just how fast your response will be if they try something.
WHICH part of the triad has the 4 minutes response time IS classified.
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Voting districts are handled after each census at a state level. 2010 was the last time it happened. In 2010, the states that had population growth were governed by Republicans. They determined how their states new districts were created.
You are completely wrong on this.
First of all; you have no links to back up what you are stating. No. The actual redistricting in some states wasn't settled until this year. ??? So only Republican governed states had population growth? Perhaps you might be thinking of economic growth?
https://ballotpedia.org/Redistricting_in_North_Carolina
http://redistricting.lls.edu/
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Too bad you don't realize that Donny is playing you like a fiddle with his talk of rigged elections.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvOaapMUsAAyL2s.jpg:small)
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Trump's choice of words in this scenario didn't help. He should have stated if he lost the election he would concede period. He still would have the right to a recount in certain circumstance and the right to question the validity of certain practices in different precincts. However, he has to have reason. If he has reason now, he should have people working and watching to ensure a fair election. I personally have seen voter fraud and voter intimidation.
It was recently reported that a postal worker enjoys ripping up early voting ballots. If that isn't fraud or election rigging, then what is it? If dead people voting isn't rigging the election, then what is?
There is no way to absolutely guarantee 100% that voter fraud, misplacement of absentee ballots, overseas ballots, etc., doesn't happen.
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@txradioguy
The talking heads on TV are making super mistakes about how elections are run. I am going somewhere today, but tomorrow I will write an article about the laws passed in 2000 after the Florida fiasco, and every state must follow these laws. I watched them go into effect in Texas, I worked teaching those new laws and the other laws pertaining to elections. I will write about the 2000 new laws and the other laws already on the books about how elections happen - the structure of election laws to bring about valid and fair elections.
It will be a long article because explaining laws takes time and I want all of you to understand them so you know the TV talking heads don't know jack about elections. If they would bother to bring in just one Secretary of State's official who has the responsibility to run state elections, they would get some true information.
Some of the subjects covered tomorrow will be:
1. The process to determine whether a person wanting to be a registered voter is a citizen or a non-citizen. How non-citizens think they are registered but find out they are not.
2. How dead people's names get off the voter registration roll.
3. How someone looks like he/she is voting a valid ballot but he/she is not - yet. Provisional Ballot.
4. How mail-in/absentee ballots are verified and counted.
5. How military ballots are determined to be valid by date, and counted. (This was a major problem in Florida in 2000. The election judge didn't know the law.)
6. All you ever want to know about electronic voting machines: how they work, how they are put into service, how they are kept safe from tampering.
7. How voting districts lines are determined.
8. Law requiring automatic re-count of ballots.
Plus, other voting laws. Using Trump's word, this post of mine tomorrow as a thread, will be a BIGGLY election law thread.
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mrpotatohead @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe
@Gov Bean Counter @EC @Oceander
@Victoria33 looking forward to reading it and then bookmarking it for use in the future.
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@txradioguy
The talking heads on TV ... a BIGGLY election law thread.
@Jazzhead @INVAR @Cripplecreek @CatherineofAragon @skeeter @jmyrlefuller @Suppressed @Night Hides Not @Norm Lenhart @catfish1957 @Fantom @sinkspur @libertybele @LMAO @RAT Patrol @bigheadfred @bilo @musiclady @Chosen Daughter @Bigun @mystery-ak @mrpotatohead @Emjay @XenaLee @Sanguine @Once-Ler @txradioguy @kartographer @Smokin Joe @montanajoe
@Gov Bean Counter @EC @Oceander
I look forward to reading it @Victoria33.
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Then people better make plans for building a new country after the collapse. Preferably one where the people that destroyed this one (Liberals/Trump supporters) are banned from entry.
Or figure out how to survive under the Red Queen because thems da' choices. Trump is not an option.
As the reality finally sinks in on the trumpers, they get gloomy and mean. This is a great country and public opinion will not allow Hillary to completely open borders. Remember, Hillary does not give a darn about muslims unless they donate to her. She has no ideological dog in that fight like Obama does.
In fact, she has no grandiose ideas she wants to implement. Her big idea was getting to be president, a job she worked and sacrificed for. I don't expect her to have an agenda. I do expect her to be in favor of every liberal idea advanced but I don't expect her to advance any herself.
I was watching Miracle (the movie with Kurt Russell about the American hockey team winning the Olympics) and at the beginning of the movie they showed all this newsreel footage of what was going on in the country.
Jimmy Carter was president. We had gas lines and we had American Embassy in Iran overthrown and hostages taken. We had a totally ineffectual president. The country was demoralized. We can come back from Hillary.
I just hope we can come back from Trump.
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Really duck and cover taught you that it takes 4 minutes from the time the president orders a launch until the weapons are launched. I did duck and cover as a child and I did not know that.
Question, do you think that the nuclear response time is classified?
No it's not classified.
It has been published before:
Here:
Why a ‘nuclear mutiny’ against a President Donald Trump would likely fail
http://globalnews.ca/news/2862433/why-a-nuclear-mutiny-against-a-president-donald-trump-would-likely-fail/
And Here:
Is Launch Under Attack Feasible?
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/launch-under-attack-feasible/
And Here:
Our Nuclear Procedures Are Crazier Than Trump.
http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/launch-under-attack-feasible/
Each one give much more info on our lauch procedure than anything Hil said.
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Thanks, @Victoria33. As a former Judge of Elections, I'm sure I'll enjoy it!
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Although I cringed when he said that last night he is right. Why announce/concede before all the votes are counted...if it is a close race. The MSM acts like this is unprecedented which is far from the case.
I agree with Joe Scarborough on this
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,230620.0.html
Shes going to cheat her way into the White House as sure as the sun sets in the west
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Shes going to cheat her way into the White House as sure as the sun sets in the west
How is that any different from what Trump has tried to do?
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How is that any different from what Trump has tried to do?
Because it's different! Because reasons!
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How is that any different from what Trump has tried to do?
Because she's efficient and organized as opposed to Trump who isn't.
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As the reality finally sinks in on the trumpers, they get gloomy and mean. This is a great country and public opinion will not allow Hillary to completely open borders. Remember, Hillary does not give a darn about muslims unless they donate to her. She has no ideological dog in that fight like Obama does.
In fact, she has no grandiose ideas she wants to implement. Her big idea was getting to be president, a job she worked and sacrificed for. I don't expect her to have an agenda. I do expect her to be in favor of every liberal idea advanced but I don't expect her to advance any herself.
I was watching Miracle (the movie with Kurt Russell about the American hockey team winning the Olympics) and at the beginning of the movie they showed all this newsreel footage of what was going on in the country.
Jimmy Carter was president. We had gas lines and we had American Embassy in Iran overthrown and hostages taken. We had a totally ineffectual president. The country was demoralized. We can come back from Hillary.
I just hope we can come back from Trump.
Hillary does have an agenda; Saul Alinsky style. Her dream is to have open border for the entire Western Hemisphere. ..."“My dream,” she said, “is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders.” (In other words, open borders and open trade for the entire hemisphere—all of the countries in North and South America.) My viewpoint as to what is going to happen to this country once Hillary's America take's hold is in stark contrast to yours. With allowing open borders and hundreds of thousands of Muslim 'refugees' into this country, in compliance with U.N. expectations, public opinion will be much different because of the influence of those brought in. Those immigrants combined with the illegals already here and those that continue to pour over our borders will back her and current American citizens will be in the minority; our rights under the Constitution will be changed. Sharia law has already been challenged in court, our children are being indoctrinated and Dearborn, Michigan has a Muslim city council. That has all taken place without the massive Muslim migration that she plans...without a GOP majority, and the millions of additional DEM voters, who is going to stop her? Conservatives will be on her list of terrorists; remember that TEA has already been the target of the IRS. Again, who is going to stop her?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/10/14/newt-gingrich-hillarys-dangerous-dream-open-borders.html
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/01/29/lawsuit-public-school-forced-my-child-to-convert-to-islam.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/sharia-law-usa-states-ban_n_3660813.html?
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C'mon, folks, stop with the fever-swamp talk. President Hillary must be opposed by the Congress, and she will
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Of course we will survive the next four years. Of course we must respect the results of the election. Of course we must redouble our efforts to protect the Constitution and the rights of the people. And in the end, we will.
That's right, I'll tell you what.
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So you advocate burning down the entire country because we don't have a perfect candidate??
You are never going to even come close to a perfect candidate unless you start voting for something a helluva lot closer to perfect than where we are. Period.
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This country will collapse under Hillary in the aspect that our rights under the Constitution will be gone and the acceptance and impact of Sharia law will be the new normal.
Not a chance in hell of that happening. The states would rebel. At least the Western states would, and I doubt that the South would be far behind them.
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You condemn good enough in the search for perfect.
You've got to be kidding me. Trump is the new definition of 'good enough'? ROTFLMAO!!!
There are two choices, Trump or Hillary. Thats it.
Not true.
Choosing not to vote is a failure to do ones duty to the country and will make things a little bit worse.
It is not now, nor never will be my duty to vote for a NYC liberal. I still fail to see how voting for liberalism helps Conservatism in any way at all.
That is, without a doubt, a damnable lie.
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@txradioguy
It will be a long article because explaining laws takes time and I want all of you to understand them so you know the TV talking heads don't know jack about elections. If they would bother to bring in just one Secretary of State's official who has the responsibility to run state elections, they would get some true information.
Some of the subjects covered tomorrow will be:
@Victoria33
Sounds like an awesome article. Looking forward to reading it!
Can you make sure to ping @AbaraXas and myself to it so it can be featured and publicized please.
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It won't be the Trump supporters that get purged, for a hint have a look at NeverTrumper Paul Ryan facebook page.
If Trump had as much support as you claim he'd win and the rest would be moot. Every one of your purgers only shrinks what you needed to win but you're too blind to realize that. Remember the brilliance of "we don't need you", the Trump train is coming? Well you laid the tracks over a cliff without a bridge. Enjoy the ride while it lasts, its almost over.
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C'mon, folks, stop with the fever-swamp talk. President Hillary must be opposed by the Congress, and she will attain the Presidency without any mandate of her own. (That's how it goes when the only justification for your candidacy is the other guy's worse.)
Of course we will survive the next four years. Of course we must respect the results of the election. Of course we must redouble our efforts to protect the Constitution and the rights of the people. And in the end, we will.
I continue to believe in Reagan's shining city - in the words of Walt Whitman, a city invincible.
Of course we will survive. We just won't be the same country.
Me - I can see what we will become and I'm deeply concerned. You continue to believe in all that unicorn poop and maybe that will get you through.
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Of course we will survive. We just won't be the same country.
We've never been the same country have we? Were we the same country in 1876 that we were in 1776? Or 1934? Or 1945? or 1969?
The only constant is change.
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We've never been the same country have we? Were we the same country in 1876 that we were in 1776? Or 1934? Or 1945? or 1969?
The only constant is change.
That's right, it's all relative and the Constitution is a living document.
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That's right, it's all relative and the Constitution is a living document.
I never said that.
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I never said that.
I know, you shied away from it. As if not saying it means it won't happen.
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I know, you shied away from it. As if not saying it means it won't happen.
Change is inevitable. You either accept that or deny it. Nothing lasts forever.
Of course, that doesn't mean we lose our "roots".
The GOP has been doing the same playbook for 25 years and have won the popular vote ONCE. One single time.
It's sort of like listening to your favorite song, it gets worn out after a while.
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Change is inevitable. You either accept that or deny it. Nothing lasts forever.
Of course, that doesn't mean we lose our "roots".
The GOP has been doing the same playbook for 25 years and have won the popular vote ONCE. One single time.
It's sort of like listening to your favorite song, it gets worn out after a while.
Now, that's where I part ways with you - there will be pain, it will be severe, and you can pretend otherwise all you want, but we're not talking about some sort of airy-fairy harmless change.
I have children and grandchildren. I hate to see what is being done to them.
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Now, that's where I part ways with you - there will be pain, it will be severe, and you can pretend otherwise all you want, but we're not talking about some sort of airy-fairy harmless change.
I have children and grandchildren. I hate to see what is being done to them.
:shrug: If it takes pain to change things, then that's what it takes. Reagan wasn't elected until the stagnation of the 70's made it clear that change was needed. The same will have to happen to liberalism. Millenials won't wake up until they feel the pain IMO. Then things will change.
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:shrug: If it takes pain to change things, then that's what it takes. Reagan wasn't elected until the stagnation of the 70's made it clear that change was needed. The same will have to happen to liberalism. Millenials won't wake up until they feel the pain IMO. Then things will change.
Wingnut, change is more often bad than good. That's why it is feared.
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@Victoria33
Sounds like an awesome article. Looking forward to reading it!
Can you make sure to ping @AbaraXas and myself to it so it can be featured and publicized please.
@EC
I have both of you on the list. I am in the process of writing now.
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Wingnut, change is more often bad than good. That's why it is feared.
@Sanguine
Did you mean WTF.
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@Sanguine
Did you mean WTF.
Sorry! I'll go get more coffee. I should know better than to post when I'm a quart low.
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@EC
I have both of you on the list. I am in the process of writing now.
@Victoria33 I also would welcome a ping @corbe
With your permission I will send a copy to my County Election Judge, she already knows I won't be there this election (doing the Mail thing), told her I'd be embarrassed that people would assume I'm voting for Trump, as she is.
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Sorry! I'll go get more coffee. I should know better than to post when I'm a quart low.
(http://imworld.aufeminin.com/story/20150402/coffee-meme-632181_w600h600.jpg)
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(http://imworld.aufeminin.com/story/20150402/coffee-meme-632181_w600h600.jpg)
I like that. I'm stealing it.
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@Victoria33 I also would welcome a ping @corbe
With your permission I will send a copy to my County Election Judge, she already knows I won't be there this election (doing the Mail thing), told her I'd be embarrassed that people would assume I'm voting for Trump, as she is.
@corbe
Have put your name on the list to notify. I am still writing - can you say "book length"?
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@corbe
Have put your name on the list to notify. I am still writing - can you say "book length"?
@Victoria33 , just making sure you have me on the list. Thanks for doing this.
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I like that. I'm stealing it.
:seeya:
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@Victoria33 , just making sure you have me on the list. Thanks for doing this.
@Sanguine
You are on the list and I am writing the last part of this monster post. I need an adult beverage when I finish this.