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Title: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 26, 2015, 01:04:06 pm
WDBJ (http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/law-enforcement-investigating-incident-at-bridgewater-plaza/34923086?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_WDBJ7)

MONETA, Va. - 
Law enforcement is on scene following an incident at Bridgewater Plaza. The incident happened during a WDBJ7 live report.

Deputies from Franklin County and Bedford County are on scene.

Bridgewater Plaza is on Smith Mountain Lake.

Check back soon for more updates.
_____________________________________
Brent Watts ‏@wattsupbrent  · 15m15 minutes ago 
Update: Allison Parker and photographer Adam Ward have been killed in the shooting at Bridgewater Plaza at SML.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 26, 2015, 01:05:16 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD_DFx2SqJM

Video of shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD_DFx2SqJM
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 26, 2015, 01:08:37 pm
Holy moly..
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 26, 2015, 01:10:08 pm
CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/26/us/virginia-shooting-wdbj/)


(CNN)—An apparently routine live TV interview went horribly wrong in Virginia on Wednesday morning.

Two WDBJ employees -- a reporter and a photographer -- were shot to death while reporting on a feature story Wednesday morning, the CNN affiliate in Virginia reported.

They were reporter Alison Parker and photographer Adam Ward, the station said.

The crew from WDBJ was involved in the shooting during a live interview at Bridgewater Plaza near Moneta.

Video circulated on social media showed a WDBJ reporter scream as what appeared to be gunshots were fired.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 26, 2015, 01:19:17 pm
TV Reporter, Cameraman Killed After Gunman Opens Fire in Virginia
Aug 26, 2015, 8:57 AM ET
By MEGHAN KENEALLY, ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/tv-reporter-cameraman-killed-gunman-opens-fire-virginia/story?id=33327920)
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A shooting on live television has left a reporter and a cameraman dead, according to their news station.

Alison Parker, 24, and Adam Ward, 27, were killed during a live news segment this morning in Moneta, Virginia, according to their station, WDBJ-TV, a CBS affiliate serving the Roanoke-Lynchburg television market.

The Franklin County sheriff confirmed that it is considered an active-shooter situation and the suspect, who is believed to be male, is not in custody at this time.

The incident was reported at 6:45 a.m. and schools in the surrounding area have been placed on lock down, according to a Facebook post from Bedford County Public Schools.

The shooting itself took place at Bridgewater Plaza, a recreational facility with shops, restaurants, a mini golf course and boat rentals.

The station is owned by Schurz Communications of South Bend, Indiana.
(http://www.wdbj7.com/image/view/-/34924608/highRes/1/-/maxh/480/maxw/640/-/c91ayi/-/alison-adam-jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 26, 2015, 01:30:55 pm
I just heard the shooter has not yet been captured.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: alicewonders on August 26, 2015, 01:31:01 pm
http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/virginia/2015/08/26/tv-crew-involved--shooting--moneta/32389729/


TV crew killed in shooting near Roanoke

MONETA, Va. (WVEC) -- Two employees of WDBJ-TV were killed early Wednesday during a shooting at a shopping center near Smith Mountain Lake in Franklin County.

A tweet from station personnel said a reporter and photographer were killed-- reporter Alison Parker and photographer Adam Ward.

Update: Allison Parker and photographer Adam Ward have been killed in the shooting at Bridgewater Plaza at SML.

The shooting happened during a live broadcast.

The Roanoke Times says Franklin County Sheriff's Department spokesman Phillip Young says there was an active shooter report at Bridgewater Plaza around 6:45 a.m.

Media in the area report three people have been injured and dozens of state and local authorities are on the scene for the investigation.


The situation has forced Bedford County schools to go on lockdown. A post on its Facebook page said. "We have placed all schools on perimeter lockdown status following a shooting in Franklin County this morning. This is a precautionary measure suggested by law enforcement. We will continue to provide updates as they become available. The safety of our students and our staff will reside above anything else this morning."

Meantime, VDOT is reporting a high-priority incident on Route 122 in the vicinity of Dovetail Road near Bridgewater Plaza. Both north and south through lanes are closed.

Stay with 13News Now for the latest developments.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: alicewonders on August 26, 2015, 01:32:42 pm
Sorry, I posted this before I saw the other posting.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 26, 2015, 01:33:32 pm
It's okay, the threads are merged.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: ABX on August 26, 2015, 01:34:10 pm
I just heard the shooter has not yet been captured.

From the video, it happened very quickly and  I didn't see other people around beyond the victims and the person they were reporting. The shooter could have been in and out quickly.

I'm not one to throw speculation out there too quickly as to motive, after all, there are a lot of people who are just nuts out there, but if you want to get attention to a cause (eg Isis types), going after reporters would be one way.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 26, 2015, 01:35:39 pm
From the video, it happened very quickly and  I didn't see other people around beyond the victims and the person they were reporting. The shooter could have been in and out quickly.

I'm not one to throw speculation out there too quickly as to motive, after all, there are a lot of people who are just nuts out there, but if you want to get attention to a cause (eg Isis types), going after reporters would be one way.

Good point.  They said he was 'white'....... but that certainly doesn't rule out Islam, since it's not a race, but a 'religion.'
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: massadvj on August 26, 2015, 01:40:07 pm
Which news outlet will be the first to report that the perp was an angry white male former Tea Partier and current Trump supporter expressing his anger at the media?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 26, 2015, 01:40:45 pm
TMZ adds:
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... Vicki Gardner, the woman Alison was interviewing, was shot in the back. She's in surgery right now.

Alison was engaged to Chris Hurst, a co-anchor at the station -- and Adam was engaged to a producer named Melissa Ott. It appears she was actually the producing the newscast at the time of the shooting. ..
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz3jvc3Is4E

The fiance tweets (with photo):
Chris Hurst ‏@chrishurstwdbj  · 17m17 minutes ago 
We didn't share this publicly, but @AParkerWDBJ7 and I were very much in love. We just moved in together. I am numb.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 26, 2015, 01:43:15 pm
From the video, it happened very quickly and  I didn't see other people around beyond the victims and the person they were reporting. The shooter could have been in and out quickly.

I'm not one to throw speculation out there too quickly as to motive, after all, there are a lot of people who are just nuts out there, but if you want to get attention to a cause (eg Isis types), going after reporters would be one way.

Watch as the media gets a reality check and coverage starts changing with a new sense of enlightenment.

The news cycle will be thick with this story, for sure. Feel awful about those young folks senselessly cut down.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 26, 2015, 01:43:38 pm
Which news outlet will be the first to report that the perp was an angry white male former Tea Partier and current Trump supporter expressing his anger at the media?

So why'd you do it?  :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Relic on August 26, 2015, 01:44:21 pm
We are a very sick society.  **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 26, 2015, 01:45:21 pm
Which news outlet will be the first to report that the perp was an angry white male former Tea Partier and current Trump supporter expressing his anger at the media?
No matter what, it will give rise to more calls for banning firearms.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 26, 2015, 01:46:17 pm
We are a very sick society.  **nononono*

Indeed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Bigun on August 26, 2015, 01:55:02 pm
No matter what, it will give rise to more calls for banning firearms.

No doubt about that!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 26, 2015, 02:09:29 pm
Which news outlet will be the first to report that the perp was an angry white male former Tea Partier and current Trump supporter expressing his anger at the media?

I'm still waiting for them to backtrack from the claim that James Holmes was a Tea Partier (when he was actually an Obama campaign worker).

They'll report it.  They'll find out it's a lie.  And then they'll keep silent.

It's what they always do.....
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 02:39:40 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNVjotAUAAAVmfl.jpg)


(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/cheats/2015/08/26/tv-crew-killer-dressed-in-black/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48019977.cached.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 02:40:33 pm
Slain Cameraman Photographed Killer; Suspected to Be Disgruntled Employee

The governor of Virginia said the gunman who shot and killed two TV journalists is a disgruntled former employee of the Roanoke station. Terry McAullife said the suspect is driving on I-81 and he believes police will arrest him immediately. The suspect was dressed all in black. Cameraman Adam Ward captured the man approaching as he fired at him and reporter Alison Parker. The shooter has not yet been identified. According to WDBJ station manager Jeffrey A. Marks, it appears that the cameraman was shot first, and Parker was shot while running away.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/08/26/tv-crew-killer-dressed-in-black.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 02:43:20 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNV5xTpXAAA2_G3.jpg)
People magazine ‏@people 2m2 minutes ago

Boyfriend of slain #WDBJ reporter Alison Parker speaks out in heartbreaking Tweets http://peoplem.ag/ZgwKEJQ 
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 02:46:30 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNV666KUwAA2_56.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 02:47:06 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNV64NtU8AAjYWW.png)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: alicewonders on August 26, 2015, 02:48:56 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNVjotAUAAAVmfl.jpg)


(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/cheats/2015/08/26/tv-crew-killer-dressed-in-black/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48019977.cached.jpg)

Amazing that the cameraman was able to capture that image of the shooter.  What a tragedy!

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 02:49:02 pm
WCSH 6 ‏@WCSH6 4m4 minutes ago

From Augusta Co. Sheriff:  Suspect is Lester Lee Flanagan, Reportedly driving 2009 Silver or Gray Ford Mustang – VA tags WZE8846
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 26, 2015, 02:55:23 pm
Amazing that the cameraman was able to capture that image of the shooter.  What a tragedy!

He, in doing this, captured his own killer.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: famousdayandyear on August 26, 2015, 02:57:59 pm
WCSH 6 ‏@WCSH6 4m4 minutes ago

From Augusta Co. Sheriff:  Suspect is Lester Lee Flanagan, Reportedly driving 2009 Silver or Gray Ford Mustang – VA tags WZE8846

Live broadcast from Virginia State Police:
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/5431/web
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: alicewonders on August 26, 2015, 02:58:56 pm
WCSH 6 ‏@WCSH6 4m4 minutes ago

From Augusta Co. Sheriff:  Suspect is Lester Lee Flanagan, Reportedly driving 2009 Silver or Gray Ford Mustang – VA tags WZE8846

He'll probably end up killing himself before he can be captured.  Despicable cowards are like that.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: famousdayandyear on August 26, 2015, 03:02:25 pm
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/5431/web


Note:  Mustang found at Roanoke Airport; suspect still at large
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: alicewonders on August 26, 2015, 03:10:41 pm
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/5431/web


Note:  Mustang found at Roanoke Airport; suspect still at large

Thanks Famous.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: famousdayandyear on August 26, 2015, 03:11:57 pm
From VA SP scanner:

Disregard Mustang--found abandoned at Roanoke Airport.
Now BOL cream or silver Charger occupied 2X
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: famousdayandyear on August 26, 2015, 03:16:33 pm
BOL:  Updated

VGM5384   Silver Chevrolet Sonic
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 03:30:31 pm
http://gawker.com/alleged-wdbj-gunman-posts-video-of-on-air-shooting-1726645000?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Alleged WDBJ Gunman Posts Video of On-Air Shooting
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 03:32:09 pm
Beau Berman WTAE
9 mins ·

Suspect Vester Flanagan (aka Bryce Williams) was just live-tweeting & posted 2 videos of the shooting.
Twitter account now suspended.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: famousdayandyear on August 26, 2015, 03:34:17 pm
Via VSP scanner:

Suspect eastbound on 66 (east of I81)

2015 Chevrolet Sonic silver in color VGM5485
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: famousdayandyear on August 26, 2015, 03:39:48 pm
Dispatch now issuing DISREGARD  Suspect and Vehicle
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: alicewonders on August 26, 2015, 03:40:49 pm
http://gawker.com/alleged-wdbj-gunman-posts-video-of-on-air-shooting-1726645000?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Alleged WDBJ Gunman Posts Video of On-Air Shooting

OMG! 

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: truth_seeker on August 26, 2015, 03:43:30 pm
Shooter be black disgruntled former employee.

Deceased reporterette apparently made racist remarks, which station did not act upon to satisfaction of murderer.

Shep Smith Fox says shooter has shot himself.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 03:46:00 pm

Scott McClellan
‏@bamasevere

Sources state that #WDBJ shooter Vester Flanagan has shot himself.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 26, 2015, 03:46:44 pm
Deceased reporterette apparently made racist remarks, which station did not act upon to satisfaction of murderer.
They probably weren't the least bit racist - only among the perpetually offended.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 03:48:06 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/26/vester-l-flanagan-idd-by-va-police-as-person-of-interest-in-wdbj-double-murder/

Racial Motive Suspected: VA Police ID Person-Of-Interest In WDBJ Double Murder
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 03:48:55 pm
Reuters Live ‏@ReutersLive 4m4 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: Alleged shooter of two Virginia journalists has shot himself: local ABC affiliate





Fox News trying to confirm this
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Lando Lincoln on August 26, 2015, 03:49:37 pm
Shooter be black disgruntled former employee.

Deceased reporterette apparently made racist remarks, which station did not act upon to satisfaction of murderer.

Shep Smith Fox says shooter has shot himself.

The media will be breathless for days.  Racism.  Violent gun death.  Perpetrator as the victim.  Lovers.  Hillary news moved to the back for awhile.  Pandering politicians next.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 26, 2015, 03:58:04 pm
(http://libertynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Screen-Shot-2015-08-26-at-10.09.18-AM-750x350.png)
Shooter

Quote
... CNN has now confirmed that authorities are actively searching for Vester L. Flanagan who has used the name Bryce Williams and was previously fired from WDBJ one year ago. ...
Liberty News (http://libertynews.com/2015/08/update-authorities-searching-for-former-wdbj-employee-vester-l-flanagan-in-connection-with-shooting/)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EdinVA on August 26, 2015, 03:59:07 pm
Man suspected of fatally shooting 2 journalists in Moneta, Va. has committed suicide

MONETA, Va. (WSET/AP/WJLA) — The man suspected of fatally shooting 2 journalists in Moneta, Va. has committed suicide, WDBJ reports.

http://wjla.com/news/local/active-shooter-reported-in-moneta-va
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 04:08:54 pm
Here is a link to the shooter's own video....PLEASE DO NOT POST IT HERE

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2015/shooter-posts-video-of-shooting-warning-very-graphic-found-at-redflagnewscom
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mrclose on August 26, 2015, 04:10:16 pm
A picture of the killer (middle) with, I believe are the the two victims.


(http://i61.tinypic.com/2zno9l4.jpg)

Correction

The white guy in the picture is the female reporters fiancé.
Not the cameraman.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Bigun on August 26, 2015, 04:12:04 pm
No matter what, it will give rise to more calls for banning firearms.

http://therightscoop.com/ugh-democrat-virginia-gov-exploits-shooting-calls-for-more-gun-control-before-suspect-in-custody/ (http://therightscoop.com/ugh-democrat-virginia-gov-exploits-shooting-calls-for-more-gun-control-before-suspect-in-custody/)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 04:44:48 pm
Juliet Huddy ‏@JulietHuddyTV 7m7 minutes ago

FNC:  VA police - suspect hospitalized in critical. Shot himself.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EC on August 26, 2015, 04:58:00 pm
Time for the ER teams to go on their break, isn't it?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 06:27:28 pm
After Shooting, Alleged Gunman Details Grievances in ‘Suicide Notes’

http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 26, 2015, 06:30:52 pm
After Shooting, Alleged Gunman Details Grievances in ‘Suicide Notes’

http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339

Quote
“Yes, it will sound like I am angry...I am. And I have every right to be. But when I leave this Earth, the only emotion I want to feel is peace....”

Sorry, Vester.    Peace is not what you're going to be feeling........
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2015, 06:37:04 pm
Fox reporting he died about 12:30pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 26, 2015, 07:09:08 pm
http://therightscoop.com/ugh-democrat-virginia-gov-exploits-shooting-calls-for-more-gun-control-before-suspect-in-custody/ (http://therightscoop.com/ugh-democrat-virginia-gov-exploits-shooting-calls-for-more-gun-control-before-suspect-in-custody/)

Punk McCauliffe didn't miss a beat, did he??
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: flowers on August 26, 2015, 07:22:08 pm
Let us see how they treat this  story now? It turns out he was gay. Gay full of hate. Obviously a mentally sick man.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 26, 2015, 07:27:43 pm
Let us see how they treat this  story now? It turns out he was gay. Gay full of hate. Obviously a mentally sick man.

I was wondering how they were going to cover it too, flowers.

It's obviously going to be the fault of guns and white people and not the fault of the actual perp, or those who didn't help him get treatment for his mental illness, but how are they going to warp the 'gay' angle?

They'll think of a way......
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Lando Lincoln on August 26, 2015, 07:36:59 pm
I was wondering how they were going to cover it too, flowers.

It's obviously going to be the fault of guns and white people and not the fault of the actual perp, or those who didn't help him get treatment for his mental illness, but how are they going to warp the 'gay' angle?

They'll think of a way......

Yes, there will be those who link this guy's victimhood to anger, and then to the availability of guns.  All and everything will have someone else a the root cause.  Also watch for the investigative reports of the secret hateful, privileged lives of the dead innocents. 

God, I hate this.  I am not a cynical person by nature.  Never have been.  But I am sure thinking cynical things.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 26, 2015, 07:41:55 pm
Yes, there will be those who link this guy's victimhood to anger, and then to the availability of guns.  All and everything will have someone else a the root cause.  Also watch for the investigative reports of the secret hateful, privileged lives of the dead innocents. 

God, I hate this.  I am not a cynical person by nature.  Never have been.  But I am sure thinking cynical things.

I know exactly what you mean, Lando.

But we've been beaten bloody by our political enemies, and we'd be fools if we didn't react cynically to their motives and their agenda.

They WILL make guns, and the dead reporter the perps, and let the gay murderer off the hook.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Scottftlc on August 26, 2015, 07:50:09 pm
This is another example of Obama's success at solving the issues of race in America.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Bigun on August 26, 2015, 07:51:59 pm
Punk McCauliffe didn't miss a beat, did he??

Nope! Not a one!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 26, 2015, 08:05:44 pm
And now a little something to make your head explode:
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...   At the White House, press secretary Josh Earnest said President Obama is disappointed and frustrated that people who oppose common sense steps to reduce gun violence have great sway over Congress.

“I think the president has also been disappointed that our political system has not responded in the way that he would like,” Earnest told reporters at the daily press briefing. “There are clear majorities in both the Democratic and Republican parties — according to many polls — for these policies. There are even some polls that indicate that there are clear majorities of gun owners that support some of these common sense steps. And yet we haven’t seen Congress take this action.”

"We have got to do something about gun violence in America," the Democratic frontrunner said. "There is so much evidence that if guns weren't readily available, if we had universal background checks ... that maybe we could prevent this kind of carnage."

Campaigning in Iowa, an emotional Hillary Clinton also called for stricter gun laws in the wake of Wednesday's tragedy.

Americans for Responsible Solutions — the gun reform group co-founded by former Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords — released a statement condemning the shooting:
Quote
We are horrified to learn that two young journalists were murdered this morning doing the jobs they loved. As they worked on a beautiful summer morning, they were murdered by an armed assailant. While we don’t yet know all the details of what happened this morning, we know that an attack like this on journalists is an affront to the values we all share.”

Our country has a gun violence problem, and shootings like these are far too common in our country. Many times, they happen behind close doors, in homes and schools and movie theaters. But this time, the horror unfolded live and on air, for all to see. Our thoughts and prayers are with those whose loved ones were taken from them this morning, with their colleagues at WDBJ7 in Roanoke, and with all Virginians as they mourn this shocking loss.
Link to story at Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/cbs-journalists-shot-killed-live-broadcast-130723506.html)

 :#@$%:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 26, 2015, 08:06:02 pm
This is another example of Obama's success at solving the issues of race in America.

Ah, yes............ the 'post-racial' America we were promised....   **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Bigun on August 26, 2015, 08:08:12 pm
And now a little something to make your head explode:Link to story at Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/cbs-journalists-shot-killed-live-broadcast-130723506.html)

 :#@$%:

Spoons make people fat don't they?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EdinVA on August 26, 2015, 08:10:44 pm
Spoons make people fat don't they?

Nah, it is the sofa's they don't get off of.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 27, 2015, 12:27:04 am
Excerpts from the murderer's manifesto:

“What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them."

 He says has suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work
 He says he has been attacked by black men and white females
 He talks about how he was attacked for being a gay, black man
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: olde north church on August 27, 2015, 02:03:07 am
Excerpts from the murderer's manifesto:

“What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them."

 He says has suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work
 He says he has been attacked by black men and white females
 He talks about how he was attacked for being a gay, black man

Damn, all he need was to be a cripple and he really would have been f*cked!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Oceander on August 27, 2015, 02:05:29 am
Nah, it is the sofa's they don't get off of.


:silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: ABX on August 27, 2015, 02:14:57 am
Excerpts from the murderer's manifesto:

“What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them."

 He says has suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work
 He says he has been attacked by black men and white females
 He talks about how he was attacked for being a gay, black man

Sounds like he mostly suffered from being a whiny little b****.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: rangerrebew on August 27, 2015, 08:56:31 am
Media 'conflicted' since TV shooter is black
Limbaugh: 'Journalists lives matter. Hands up! I'm on the air!'
Published: 16 hours ago

 

Radio host Rush Limbaugh said the national news media will be conflicted in their reporting on Wednesday’s slaughter of a Virginia news crew live on the air because the shooter was a black man, and his victims were white.

The shooter has been identified as Vester Flanagan, 41, who also went by the professional name of Bryce Williams. The victims are reporter Alison Parker, 24, and photographer Adam Ward, 27, who were gunned down during a live broadcast from the Bridgewater Plaza in Moneta, Virginia.

“A reporter of color is the shooter. Now there’s a conflict. Now what do they (the media) do?” asked Limbaugh on his national broadcast Wednesday. “If you take out the color [of the individuals involved] … you might not even hear about it.”

Read the main story: Gunman dead after slaughtering TV news crew

“He sued another TV station for racism a decade before he was asked to leave the Virginia station amid claims of racial bias,” Limbaugh noted. “So there’s clearly race as a motivation.”

image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2015/08/alison-parker-adam-ward-600.jpg
Shooting victims Alison Parker and Adam Ward

Shooting victims Alison Parker and Adam Ward

Limbaugh, who called the slaying “horrible” and “a despicable thing,” said the incident may make some in the media rethink their opposition to carrying guns for their own protection.

“Journalists may want to consider arming themselves as they go out now,” he explained. “Journalists’ lives matter … ‘Hands up! I’m on the air!’”

Limbaugh said because virtually everything in the news becomes politicized, this tragedy will be as well.

“I guarantee you there are probably investigative reporters trying to tie this to some political group with which they do not agree, like the tea party,” he said.

image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2014/10/rush-limbaugh-left-hand-600.jpg
Rush Limbaugh

Rush Limbaugh

Limbaugh also noted the shooter “actually videotaped himself committing this crime. He had his cell-phone camera in one hand, his gun in the other.”

So, what do YOU think? Sound off in today’s WND Poll: Has Obama helped race relations in America?

He then reportedly posted the video of the crime online.

“You want to talk about the ugly underbelly of social media,” said Limbaugh, “this is taking it to a level that nobody has ever dreamed of.”

“I don’t think we’ve ever seen anything like this. It may be an all-time first.”

Flanagan died after shooting himself.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/limbaugh-media-conflicted-since-tv-shooter-is-black/#cF8jIHM5iIbwfHht.99
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: rangerrebew on August 27, 2015, 09:14:47 am
EXCLUSIVE: 'He was the human tape recorder': How TV murderer was criticized by bosses for appalling journalistic standards and reprimanded for wearing an Obama badge to report on elections

    Vester Flanagan's appalling track record as a reporter brought to light in court papers relating to his bid to sue WDBJ for wrongful termination
    Flanagan scored 1 out of 5 in series of categories in performance review and was told his reports were confusing and 'lean on facts'
    One document called him 'the human tape recorder' for never challenging press releases or interviewees
    Flanagan told the judge he wanted a jury made up solely of African American women, and FBI and Department of Justice investigations
    Case was dismissed after CBS affiliate in Moneta, VA, issued detailed rebuttal 

By Ben Ashford In Roanoke, Virginia

Published: 17:36 EST, 26 August 2015 | Updated: 22:41 EST, 26 August 2015



Warped TV reporter Vester Lee Flanagan exasperated bosses with his 'stiff and nervous' delivery, his inability to use a teleprompter - and by wearing a President Obama badge during an election report, Daily Mail Online can reveal.

Management at WDBJ dubbed the failed newsman the 'human tape recorder' because he frequently parroted what interviewees had told him rather than doing his own journalism.

Flanagan, 41, clashed repeatedly with photojournalists, belittling them in public and intimidating them with his violent temper, according to internal reports.

He was also censured for wearing an Obama sticker while recording a segment at a polling booth during the 2012 US Presidential Election - a clear breach of journalistic impartiality.

The complaints are outlined in court papers seen by Daily Mail Online that include a scathing performance review carried out prior to his termination in Feb 2013.



Despicable: The video he posted showed him taking his former colleagues' life. Alison Parker, 24, and Adam Ward, 27, were broadcasting a live report. He also shot the woman being interviewed, Vicki Gardner


Damning: The letter which warned him that his conduct, by wearing an Obama badge as he reported on the presidential election, put him on the verge of termination

The station filed the documents to rebutt a wrongful termination claim which he had brought, claiming he was the victim of discrimination because he was black and gay. The station won the case.

Flanagan earned a dismal 1 out of 5 score in several categories for his poor communication skills and a failure to show respect to colleagues.

The veteran multimedia journalist was also criticized for missing deadlines and producing reports that were 'lean on facts' and left viewers confused.

Flanagan shot dead two of his ex-coworkers during a live TV segment Wednesday morning before committing suicide.

Viewers of the small CBS affiliate in Moneta, Virginia, watched as he gunned down 24-year-old reporter Alison Parker at close range before turning the weapon on cameraman Adam Ward, 27.

After carrying out the shocking on-air execution he fled in a rental car and committed suicide, but not before tweeting a list of complaints and a chilling first-person video of the killings.

Those complaints echoed a May 2014 court filing in which Flanagan sued the station in Roanoke General District Court, seeking unpaid wages and damages for alleged discrimination.

In a sometimes-rambling account of his time at WDBJ Flanagan accused co-workers of racially harassing him by placing a watermelon around the office.

'The watermelon would appear, then disappear, then appear and disappear, then appear and disappear again only to appear again,' he wrote in a May 2014 letter to presiding Judge Francis Burkart.

Adam Ward was the videographer for CBS affiliate WDBJ in Roanoke, Virginia before his life was cut tragically short

Flanagan also claimed he was assaulted by a photographer, subjected to a hostile working environment and wrongfully terminated.

He demanded a jury comprised entirely of African American women and independent investigations by the FBI and Justice Department.

'I realize this is the ultimate "David vs. Goliath" scenario ... however I am neither intimidated or fearful,' he added.

Burkart dismissed the case in July 2014 after a detailed rebuttal from WDBK bosses who argued there was not a 'single allegation of fact' to support Flanagan.

Furthermore they submitted pages and pages of complaints and internal emails detailing Flanagan's poor news judgment, flawed delivery and fiery temper.


'Your on air performance ... continues to be stiff and nervous,' News director Dan Dennison told Flanagan in a December 2012 email.

'You hold onto scripts with both hands; even when you have a teleprompter in the studio and never refer to them .

'This is an unnecessary crutch. Given your level of experience doing live television, our expectation is that your on-air performance should be better.'

Dennison also slammed Flanagan, who reported under the name Bryce Williams, for acting like a 'human tape recorder' and taking press releases and interviewees on face value.

'Your job as a news reporter is to dig for the truth and the facts,' he said. 'You have a tendency to repeat instead of report on many stories which leads to thinly sourced material and a lack of substance.'

Dennison also wrote to Flanagan in November 2012 to admonish him for wearing an Obama badge while reporting on voters hitting the poll booths for the US election.

'It has come to my attention that while standing in line on Tuesday, preparing to vote, you were wearing a President Obama sticker on your clothing.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3212142/The-human-tape-recorder-TV-murderer-criticized-bosses-appalling-journalistic-standards-reprimanded-wearing-Obama-badge-report-elections.html#ixzz3k0NDUyza
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Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: olde north church on August 27, 2015, 10:01:29 am
Sounds like he mostly suffered from being a whiny little b****.

Well, that goes without saying.  It's their world, we're just the extras.  Black, fat and gay is no way to go through life.  Creator forgive me for what I have thought.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 27, 2015, 10:34:15 am
Absolutely incredible, yet puzzling, that the United Kingdom's Daily Mail do a much better and more professional job of reporting American news.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: olde north church on August 27, 2015, 10:58:54 am
Definitely a "must read".  It's a shame the American press isn't worth a bucket of warm hamster spit.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: olde north church on August 27, 2015, 12:30:36 pm
About a victim ...

The on-air shooting deaths of a TV news crew rattled the nation Wednesday, and it hit close to the B.A.S.S. family. One of the people shot, Vicki Gardner, has worked closely with B.A.S.S. at several tournaments on Smith Mountain Lake in Virginia.


http://www.bassmaster.com/news/shooting-affects-bass-family
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: rangerrebew on August 27, 2015, 12:30:56 pm
Black, Gay Reporter Murders Straight, White Journalists — Media Blame the Gun
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by Ben Shapiro26 Aug 201513,022
On Wednesday, America met a deeply evil human being: Vester Lee Flanagan II, also known as reporter Bryce Williams.

Williams murdered two people while they were live on air on WDBJ in Virginia: reporter Alison Parker, and cameraman Adam Ward. After the murders, he went on the run – and while he was on the run, he tweeted out his rationale for the killings, accusing Parker of making “racist comments” and Ward of going “to hr on me after working with me one time!!!” He then posted video to his Facebook and Twitter pages of himself shooting both at point-blank range.

Williams is black. Parker and Ward were white.

Williams is gay. Parker and Ward were straight.

None of which would be relevant, except that Williams specifically cited his identity as a factor in the killings. In a 23-page rambling letter sent to ABC News, Williams wrote that the Charleston church shooting in June should have provoked a race war: “Why did I do it? I put a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…What sent me over the top was the church shooting…You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!” According to ABC News, he claimed he had “suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work,” that he had “been attacked by black men and white females,” and that he had been “attacked for being a gay, black man.”

Williams marinated in his self-appointed victimhood status. He filed a lawsuit against his Tallahassee, Florida employer, WTWC – a lawsuit settled out of court. He filed a complaint with the with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission against WDBJ after his firing – a complaint the EEOC dismissed. According to WDBJ station manager Jeff Marks, Williams was “an unhappy man” with a “reputation as someone who had been difficult to work with… looking out for people to say things that he could take offense to.”

Had a white straight man killed a black gay man, released first-person tape of the shooting, and then unleashed a manifesto about being victimized by affirmative action and anti-religious bigotry from homosexuals, the media would never stop covering the story. They’d be eager to report that shooter’s motives with all the attendant politically correct hullaballoo about the racism and homophobia of the United States more broadly. We would hear about white supremacy (reprehensible Black Lives Matter leader Deray McKesson actually jumped the gun, thinking the shooter was white, and tweeted, “Whiteness will explain away nearly anything”).

We would hear excoriations of the Republican presidential candidates for their failures to stand with the Black Lives Matter movement–and their opposition to same-sex marriage. In similar circumstances, the entire political and media establishment determined that the Confederate flag was somehow to blame for Dylan Storm Roof’s brutal slaying of nine people at a historically black church; just last week, the media tried to blame Donald Trump’s anti-immigration stance for two thugs beating up a Hispanic homeless man in Boston.

But Bryce Williams’ self-described victim status, even while murdering innocents, will merit no rethinking of the divisive politics in which he apparently bathed. We won’t have a conversation about whether pushing a perennial picture of victimhood for blacks and gays in the most black-friendly, gay-friendly country on the planet could drive supposed victims to violence. We won’t talk about whether the Democratic Party’s takeover by the Black Lives Matter crew has encouraged some people to believe that only black lives matter, since only black lives are in danger – and even then, only some black lives matter, namely those killed by white people. Instead, we will be assured that Bryce Williams is an outlier by the same people who blamed Sarah Palin for Jared Lee Loughner shooting Gabrielle Giffords.

It is true that statistical outliers should not be used to club entire movements into submission. But leftists protesting at the linkage between Williams and their favored political causes have no ground on which to stand – they consistently blame conservatives for outlier events with no statistical basis. Moreover, Williams’ violence is part of a larger trend, not of black men killing white people (that still happens disproportionately, but the numbers are down), but of black men using supposed American racism as a rationale for violence more generally, and of gay people using supposed American homophobia as a rationale for violation of others’ rights.

Some in the media are actually going beyond delinking Williams from his politics – they’re defending Williams’ perverse worldview, questioning whether evil, racist, homophobic America created him. Columnist WonderWomanist at Gawker wrote, “I can understand him being frustrated with racial discrimination at his job but it was not worth throwing his life over… RIP to the victims even though they may have been racist.”

Kay Steiger at ThinkProgress took Williams’ self-serving narrative at face value: “One part of the document included the phrase ‘Suicide Note for Friends and Family’ and detailed discrimination he experienced as a gay, black man.”

But most of the the media will swivel to gun control, following the lead of the White House and Hillary Clinton, both of whom called for heavier gun control laws – even as both push for the release of criminals from prisons, a crackdown on law enforcement, and a racially divisive narrative of the country pitting black against white, all for political gain.

All of these policies will do nothing to stop Bryce Williamses — in fact, they will make Bryce Williamses more common. Teaching Americans that they aren’t victims would be a great way of battling evil – most victims aren’t evil, but virtually all evil people think they are victims, and thus justify their violence. But teaching Americans that they aren’t victims would undercut the Democratic message that all minorities are victims, and thus require bigger government. And that message, and its attendant political success, must take precedence over the building of a more inclusive, more understanding country.
 
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/26/black-gay-reporter-murders-straight-white-journalists-media-blame-the-gun/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EdinVA on August 27, 2015, 12:34:47 pm
Definitely a "must read".  It's a shame the American press isn't worth a bucket of warm hamster spit.

So the question that needs to be asked is, with all the warning signs why was his police record not updated to reflect his potential for violence?
Was it because he was not white or gay or both?
Who dropped the ball and cleared his purchase of a firearm?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 27, 2015, 12:54:58 pm
http://www.newsmax.com/PrintTemplate.aspx/?nodeid=672107


Newsmax
Father of Slain TV Reporter Vows to Fight for Tougher Gun Laws
Wednesday, August 26, 2015 09:53 PM

By: Greg Richter

Andy Parker, the father of WDBJ-TV reporter Alison Parker, who was shot to death Wednesday morning along with cameraman Adam Ward during a live broadcast in Virginia, said he will fight to keep "crazy people" from getting guns.

Parker appeared Wednesday night on Fox News Channel's "The Kelly File"  with his daughter's fiance, Chris Hurst, who also works at the station.

Parker admitted that after a day of rollercoaster emotions, "anger is starting to creep in."

"He was a crazy man that got a gun," Parker said.

The two appeared only on "The Kelly File," and said they did so only because Alison Parker was a journalist herself who liked to tell the story of others, and she would have wanted them to tell hers.

Her father got emotional when he said that he understands his daughter's death is a big story now, but will have faded from the headlines in a week.

"But you mark my words, my mission in life —  and I talked to the governor today … I told him, 'I'm going to do something, whatever it takes, to get gun legislation to shame people, to shame legislators into doing something about closing loopholes in background checks and making sure crazy people don't get guns.'"

Hurst said he has reported on mental health issues and doesn’t want people with such problems to not get help just because the man – a former reporter at the station – had mental health problems.

"What happened behind us was clearly wrong. But there had been ample time beforehand where many, many other things went wrong," Hurst said.


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 27, 2015, 01:03:42 pm
Shapiro nails it.

America is a far, far, worst place specifically because seven years ago a black liberation theology socialist was mindlessly handed the presidency just to assuage liberal white guilt.

Affirmative-action ain't what it's cracked up to be.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Bigun on August 27, 2015, 01:08:35 pm
Shapiro nails it.

America is a far, far, worst place specifically because seven years ago a black liberation theology socialist was mindlessly handed the presidency just to assuage liberal white guilt.

Affirmative-action ain't what it's cracked up to be.

 :amen:  No doubt about it!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 27, 2015, 01:36:46 pm
Shapiro nails it.

America is a far, far, worst place specifically because seven years ago a black liberation theology socialist was mindlessly handed the presidency just to assuage liberal white guilt.

Affirmative-action ain't what it's cracked up to be.

Indeed!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 02:00:28 pm
 
Here's a brother with a different perspective...

Virginia Shooting Gunman Kills Reporter on LIVE TV EXPOSED! (GUN CONTROL SCAM) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1fi6Fpr1hk)

Published on Aug 26, 2015

"Everyone has the story about the shooting on live TV as Bryce Williams AKA Lester Flanagan kills a television reporter and her cameraman on WDBJ Virginia local news. This video will prove its fake and it's only a scam by the government to start a race war, enforce gun control laws & bring forth martial law."


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: massadvj on August 27, 2015, 02:51:09 pm
Perhaps we should now demand that the rainbow flag be outlawed in remembrance of these two innocent people who were slaughtered under the cloak of its bigotry.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 27, 2015, 02:54:08 pm

Here's a brother with a different perspective...

Virginia Shooting Gunman Kills Reporter on LIVE TV EXPOSED! (GUN CONTROL SCAM) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1fi6Fpr1hk)

Published on Aug 26, 2015

"Everyone has the story about the shooting on live TV as Bryce Williams AKA Lester Flanagan kills a television reporter and her cameraman on WDBJ Virginia local news. This video will prove its fake and it's only a scam by the government to start a race war, enforce gun control laws & bring forth martial law."

Would have liked some warning about this disturbing video. I mean, really. Just horrible. An atrocious act like this deliberately captured on video and uploaded to YouTube? ....hey, some of us can't handle seeing a random act of...stupid drivel!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: alicewonders on August 27, 2015, 03:11:40 pm
Perhaps we should now demand that the rainbow flag be outlawed in remembrance of these two innocent people who were slaughtered under the cloak of its bigotry.

 :word:

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 27, 2015, 04:33:33 pm
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/26/black-gay-reporter-murders-straight-white-journalists-media-blame-the-gun/

by Ben Shapiro26 Aug 2015

On Wednesday, America met a deeply evil human being: Vester Lee Flanagan II, also known as reporter Bryce Williams.

Williams murdered two people while they were live on air on WDBJ in Virginia: reporter Alison Parker, and cameraman Adam Ward. After the murders, he went on the run – and while he was on the run, he tweeted out his rationale for the killings, accusing Parker of making “racist comments” and Ward of going “to hr on me after working with me one time!!!” He then posted video to his Facebook and Twitter pages of himself shooting both at point-blank range.

Williams is black. Parker and Ward were white.

Williams is gay. Parker and Ward were straight.

None of which would be relevant, except that Williams specifically cited his identity as a factor in the killings. In a 23-page rambling letter sent to ABC News, Williams wrote that the Charleston church shooting in June should have provoked a race war: “Why did I do it? I put a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…What sent me over the top was the church shooting…You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!” According to ABC News, he claimed he had “suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work,” that he had “been attacked by black men and white females,” and that he had been “attacked for being a gay, black man.”

Williams marinated in his self-appointed victimhood status. He filed a lawsuit against his Tallahassee, Florida employer, WTWC – a lawsuit settled out of court. He filed a complaint with the with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission against WDBJ after his firing – a complaint the EEOC dismissed. According to WDBJ station manager Jeff Marks, Williams was “an unhappy man” with a “reputation as someone who had been difficult to work with… looking out for people to say things that he could take offense to.”

Had a white straight man killed a black gay man, released first-person tape of the shooting, and then unleashed a manifesto about being victimized by affirmative action and anti-religious bigotry from homosexuals, the media would never stop covering the story. They’d be eager to report that shooter’s motives with all the attendant politically correct hullaballoo about the racism and homophobia of the United States more broadly. We would hear about white supremacy (reprehensible Black Lives Matter leader Deray McKesson actually jumped the gun, thinking the shooter was white, and tweeted, “Whiteness will explain away nearly anything”).

We would hear excoriations of the Republican presidential candidates for their failures to stand with the Black Lives Matter movement–and their opposition to same-sex marriage. In similar circumstances, the entire political and media establishment determined that the Confederate flag was somehow to blame for Dylan Storm Roof’s brutal slaying of nine people at a historically black church; just last week, the media tried to blame Donald Trump’s anti-immigration stance for two thugs beating up a Hispanic homeless man in Boston.

But Bryce Williams’ self-described victim status, even while murdering innocents, will merit no rethinking of the divisive politics in which he apparently bathed. We won’t have a conversation about whether pushing a perennial picture of victimhood for blacks and gays in the most black-friendly, gay-friendly country on the planet could drive supposed victims to violence. We won’t talk about whether the Democratic Party’s takeover by the Black Lives Matter crew has encouraged some people to believe that only black lives matter, since only black lives are in danger – and even then, only some black lives matter, namely those killed by white people. Instead, we will be assured that Bryce Williams is an outlier by the same people who blamed Sarah Palin for Jared Lee Loughner shooting Gabrielle Giffords.

It is true that statistical outliers should not be used to club entire movements into submission. But leftists protesting at the linkage between Williams and their favored political causes have no ground on which to stand – they consistently blame conservatives for outlier events with no statistical basis. Moreover, Williams’ violence is part of a larger trend, not of black men killing white people (that still happens disproportionately, but the numbers are down), but of black men using supposed American racism as a rationale for violence more generally, and of gay people using supposed American homophobia as a rationale for violation of others’ rights.

Some in the media are actually going beyond delinking Williams from his politics – they’re defending Williams’ perverse worldview, questioning whether evil, racist, homophobic America created him. Columnist WonderWomanist at Gawker wrote, “I can understand him being frustrated with racial discrimination at his job but it was not worth throwing his life over… RIP to the victims even though they may have been racist.”

Kay Steiger at ThinkProgress took Williams’ self-serving narrative at face value: “One part of the document included the phrase ‘Suicide Note for Friends and Family’ and detailed discrimination he experienced as a gay, black man.”

But most of the the media will swivel to gun control, following the lead of the White House and Hillary Clinton, both of whom called for heavier gun control laws – even as both push for the release of criminals from prisons, a crackdown on law enforcement, and a racially divisive narrative of the country pitting black against white, all for political gain.

All of these policies will do nothing to stop Bryce Williamses — in fact, they will make Bryce Williamses more common. Teaching Americans that they aren’t victims would be a great way of battling evil – most victims aren’t evil, but virtually all evil people think they are victims, and thus justify their violence. But teaching Americans that they aren’t victims would undercut the Democratic message that all minorities are victims, and thus require bigger government. And that message, and its attendant political success, must take precedence over the building of a more inclusive, more understanding country.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 27, 2015, 04:35:53 pm
Report: LGBT Rainbow Hate-Flag Found In WDBJ Killer’s Virginia Apartment

by John Nolte27 Aug 2015

The Daily Telegraph has learned that “police reportedly confiscated a gay pride flag” from the apartment of Vester Lee Flanagan Wednesday. In an apparent hate crime, Flanagan is the 41 year-old black journalist who murdered two white Virginia reporters on live television Wednesday morning before turning his gun on himself.

In a manifesto faxed to ABC News,  Flanagan, an Obama-supporter, claimed that his motive involved a “race war.” Flanagan was black and gay and apparently angered by the fact that he had been a victim of racism and homophobia at the hands of “black men and white women.”

Both of Flanagan’s intended victims were straight.

The gay pride rainbow flag reportedly found in Flanagan’s apartment is seen by many as a symbol of anti-Christian hate.

After a white racist terrorist in South Carolina murdered nine innocent black churchgoers, photos of the racist with the Confederate Flag resulted in a media frenzy to ban the flag.

Like the Confederate flag, the provocative gay pride flag, a symbol of religious oppression, has flown on government property.

The Confederate Flag has since been taken down in South Carolina.

Thus far, other than a mention in the Telegraph, the media has not reported on the fact that Flanagan might have owned the LGBT rainbow hate-flag.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 27, 2015, 04:40:14 pm
This guy went through all the required "background checks" and nothing popped up to warrant denying him a gun purchase. Maybe background checks don't work at all. How is one to predict that a person without the requisite red flags, whether domestic violence or a criminal records, someday will snap or that maybe he just has been biding his time?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 04:51:56 pm
 
Time-stamp problems noted at the 5:10 mark of the video.
 

WDBJ Virginia Shooting: Freemason-Illuminati Media HOAX!  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gYyVXMF88&feature=youtu.be)

Published on Aug 26, 2015

"CBS All Seeing Eye Lucifer's Supercollider Broadcasting Network's partnership with The Department of Homeland Security hoax-scheme on the population, trying to incite race wars in America. I will give them credit, this one was inventive, but still a HOAX."

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 05:03:34 pm
 
Another take on it...

Shooting Blanks Proof: Virginia Bridgewater "Killing" Is Hoax. Anti 2nd Amend & Race War Propaganda  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oMVfPIGtew)

Published on Aug 26, 2015

"The last staged event was Charleston a white man killing blacks. Now it's a black man "killing" a white. The Gnostic hierarchy stirs up both race war sides, in the hope all guns are confiscated."

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: andy58-in-nh on August 27, 2015, 05:13:44 pm

Another take on it...

Shooting Blanks Proof: Virginia Bridgewater "Killing" Is Hoax. Anti 2nd Amend & Race War Propaganda  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oMVfPIGtew)

Published on Aug 26, 2015

"The last staged event was Charleston a white man killing blacks. Now it's a black man "killing" a white. The Gnostic hierarchy stirs up both race war sides, in the hope all guns are confiscated."

When exactly did mental illness replace baseball as the national pastime?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 05:15:33 pm

When exactly did mental illness replace baseball as the national pastime?

Looks like "Today at 01:13:44 PM"...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EdinVA on August 27, 2015, 05:20:02 pm
This guy went through all the required "background checks" and nothing popped up to warrant denying him a gun purchase. Maybe background checks don't work at all. How is one to predict that a person without the requisite red flags, whether domestic violence or a criminal records, someday will snap or that maybe he just has been biding his time?

I would have thought that when the police were called to "escort" him out of the office when he was fired because they were afraid for their lives that something would have been noted in his police record.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 05:30:14 pm
Quote

Time-stamp problems noted at the 5:10 mark of the video.

WDBJ Virginia Shooting: Freemason-Illuminati Media HOAX!  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gYyVXMF88&feature=youtu.be)


The time-stamp problem is that the frame used to show the gunman's face has a 6:00 am time-stamp on it when the alleged shooting took place at 6:46 am per the video.

Never mind that the camera 'falling' to the ground and allegedly capturing the gunman's face at 6:46 never actually shows a picture of his face.

Also never mind the pretty lady running away squealing after taking 3 shots to the chest...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: andy58-in-nh on August 27, 2015, 05:39:37 pm
Looks like "Today at 01:13:44 PM"...

 :silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 27, 2015, 06:03:49 pm
The time-stamp problem is that the frame used to show the gunman's face has a 6:00 am time-stamp on it when the alleged shooting took place at 6:46 am per the video.

Never mind that the camera 'falling' to the ground and allegedly capturing the gunman's face at 6:46 never actually shows a picture of his face.

Also never mind the pretty lady running away squealing after taking 3 shots to the chest...

Dan, when I responded to the video you posted I thought you were just having fun with it. You're telling me you believe the shooting to be a hoax?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 06:09:41 pm
Dan, when I responded to the video you posted I thought you were just having fun with it. You're telling me you believe it is a hoax?


Time-stamp problems noted at the 5:10 mark of the video.

WDBJ Virginia Shooting: Freemason-Illuminati Media HOAX!  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gYyVXMF88&feature=youtu.be)


The time-stamp problem is that the frame used to show the gunman's face has a 6:00 am time-stamp on it when the alleged shooting took place at 6:46 am per the video.

Never mind that the camera 'falling' to the ground and allegedly capturing the gunman's face at 6:46 never actually shows a picture of his face.

Also never mind the pretty lady running away squealing after taking 3 shots to the chest...


Notice that the 'shooter' has the gun raised and ready to shoot... but the cameraman isn't focused on the 'interview'... so he lowers it until the cameraman is ready...

Never mind that this is early in the morning and in a secluded area with no witnesses...

Virginia CBS shooting Hoax Video  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awke1TWlZh0)



Another take on it...

Shooting Blanks Proof: Virginia Bridgewater "Killing" Is Hoax. Anti 2nd Amend & Race War Propaganda  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oMVfPIGtew)

Published on Aug 26, 2015

"The last staged event was Charleston a white man killing blacks. Now it's a black man "killing" a white. The Gnostic hierarchy stirs up both race war sides, in the hope all guns are confiscated."


Here's a brother with a different perspective...

Virginia Shooting Gunman Kills Reporter on LIVE TV EXPOSED! (GUN CONTROL SCAM) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1fi6Fpr1hk)

Published on Aug 26, 2015

"Everyone has the story about the shooting on live TV as Bryce Williams AKA Lester Flanagan kills a television reporter and her cameraman on WDBJ Virginia local news. This video will prove its fake and it's only a scam by the government to start a race war, enforce gun control laws & bring forth martial law."

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 06:28:28 pm

Notice that the 'shooter' has the gun raised and ready to shoot... but the cameraman isn't focused on the 'interview'... so he lowers it until the cameraman is ready...

Never mind that this is early in the morning and in a secluded area with no witnesses...

Virginia CBS shooting Hoax Video  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awke1TWlZh0)

Notice that the reporter is wearing a dark top and is allegedly shot in the chest.  Coincidence? Or meant to explain the inability to see bullet holes and blood from the alleged shooting.

Also notice that the gunman's video cuts off while she is still running away squealing... remember there is no one else around... no video of his 'victims' laying dead and bloody?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 08:02:45 pm

BBC journalists covering Virginia shooting 'threatened by police,' forced to delete footage (http://www.rt.com/usa/313642-police-journalists-virginia-shooting/)

"White House reporter Tara McKelvey and videojournalist Fraz Strasser were among the first to arrive at the scene on I-66, where Bryce Williams – also known as Vester Flanagan – crashed his vehicle and shot himself hours after killing journalists Alison Parker and Adam Ward during a live news broadcast in Virginia."

"Strasser tweeted that he and McKelvey were told the footage “could be evidence,” and that they were forced to delete it. He added that a cop by the name of Officer Clark threatened to tow their car because it was apparently illegally parked."


Comments section has some interesting statements...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 27, 2015, 08:28:35 pm
I'll have some fun here to add to your conspiracy theory.....

What kind of father would go on camera and with a steady non-wavering emotion...(remember, his beautiful daughter of 24 yrs has been murdered less than 12 hours previously) state that he was determined to become the John Walsh-type leader on gun control.

....meanwhile, the decease woman's boyfriend/roommate in the same video, without grief gives out the website address for cash donations to enforce gun control.

Does seem very icky.....   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EdinVA on August 27, 2015, 08:32:37 pm
I'll have some fun here to add to your conspiracy theory.....

What kind of father would go on camera and with a steady non-wavering emotion...(remember, his beautiful daughter of 24 yrs has been murdered less than 12 hours previously) state that he was determined to become the John Walsh-type leader on gun control.

....meanwhile, the decease woman's boyfriend/roommate in the same video, without grief gives out the website address for cash donations to enforce gun control.

Does seem very icky.....   :shrug:

Not you too....  **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 08:38:11 pm
I'll have some fun here to add to your conspiracy theory.....

What kind of father would go on camera and with a steady non-wavering emotion...(remember, his beautiful daughter of 24 yrs has been murdered less than 12 hours previously) state that he was determined to become the John Walsh-type leader on gun control.

....meanwhile, the decease woman's boyfriend/roommate in the same video, without grief gives out the website address for cash donations to enforce gun control.

Does seem very icky.....   :shrug:

Kinda like Robbie Parker's big smile at Sandy Hook before adjusting his mood when it was time to appear on camera...

Sandy Hook School Shooting Hoax Fraud Robbie Parker Actor Exposed Smiling Laughing then Fake Crying (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMINqFGNr-w)

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 27, 2015, 08:39:22 pm
oy.....
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 27, 2015, 08:43:13 pm
I'm kidding....I'm kidding....    :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 08:49:15 pm
Not you too....  **nononono*

Shooter raises the gun too early, lowers it and waits for the cameraman to frame the 'interview' and then 'shoots'.

Little female reporter squealing and running after 3 point-blank shots to the chest?  How about laying on the ground gurgling and spewing blood?

Video frame of the 'killer' time-stamped 6:00 am when the 'shooting' happened at 6:46 am?

BBC reporters ordered by the cops to delete video tape because it might be 'evidence'?

This one was particularly sloppy even by zombie standards.

Dude, wake up.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 27, 2015, 08:51:09 pm
Shooter raises the gun too early, lowers it and waits for the cameraman to frame the 'interview' and then 'shoots'.

Little female reporter squealing and running after 3 point-blank shots to the chest?  How about laying on the ground gurgling and spewing blood?

Video frame of the 'killer' time-stamped 6:00 am when the 'shooting' happened at 6:46 am?

BBC reporters ordered by the cops to delete video tape because it might be 'evidence'?

This one was particularly sloppy even by zombie standards.

Dude, wake up.

Cui bono?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: flowers on August 27, 2015, 08:53:26 pm
A wig, license plates, six Glock magazines and a 'to do' list: The 'getaway kit' found in Vester Flanagan's crashed rental car after he committed suicide

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3213342/A-wig-license-plates-six-Glock-magazines-list-items-Vester-Flanagan-s-crashed-rental-car-committed-suicide.html

Quote
The man wanted in the on-air shootings of a local television reporter and videographer was carrying extra license plates, a wig, sunglasses and a hat when police tried to pull over his rental car.

A search warrant return for the car driven by Vester Flanagan on Wednesday in Fauquier County shows an inventory of the contents of the silver Chevrolet Sonic sedan. Police obtained the warrant and searched the car after they tried to pull Flanagan over. He ran off the road and shot himself, dying a short time later at a hospital.

Flanagan was traveling with a Glock pistol with multiple magazines and ammunition (video of the attack shows he shot with a Glock). He carried a white iPhone, as well as letters, notes, cards and a to-do list. It's not clear what the to-do list said.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 08:57:11 pm
A wig, license plates, six Glock magazines and a 'to do' list: The 'getaway kit' found in Vester Flanagan's crashed rental car after he committed suicide

All 'found' by the same police who ordered a BBC crew to delete videotape because it might be 'evidence'?

You're told what they want you to believe... not what really existed...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: flowers on August 27, 2015, 08:59:42 pm
Shooter raises the gun too early, lowers it and waits for the cameraman to frame the 'interview' and then 'shoots'.

Little female reporter squealing and running after 3 point-blank shots to the chest?  How about laying on the ground gurgling and spewing blood?

Video frame of the 'killer' time-stamped 6:00 am when the 'shooting' happened at 6:46 am?

BBC reporters ordered by the cops to delete video tape because it might be 'evidence'?

This one was particularly sloppy even by zombie standards.

Dude, wake up.
Fake video so dad and boyfriend in on it?  2 newscasters aren't dead?  Perp not dead?  Or just a fake video Dan?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: flowers on August 27, 2015, 09:02:33 pm
Anyone here have the link to the original video? I cannot find a working link.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EdinVA on August 27, 2015, 09:06:15 pm

OK, I'll byte......

Shooter raises the gun too early, lowers it and waits for the cameraman to frame the 'interview' and then 'shoots'.
   Second thoughts?

Little female reporter squealing and running after 3 point-blank shots to the chest?  How about laying on the ground gurgling and spewing blood?
??? got me

Video frame of the 'killer' time-stamped 6:00 am when the 'shooting' happened at 6:46 am?
   Guy is like most of us and cannot set the time right on his stuff?

BBC reporters ordered by the cops to delete video tape because it might be 'evidence'?
   If very expensive camera has evidence, it gets confiscated?



Dude, wake up.
  I am awake, at least I was... :)


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EC on August 27, 2015, 09:25:54 pm
Oh, FFS!!!!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 27, 2015, 09:29:01 pm
OK. I must put up a little resistance here, Dan. I worked in video production running a camera. When you're doing a segment, the talent is intently focused on what is (from the camera man's perspective) in front of the camera. Someone could walk behind the talent and make bunny ears, and she wouldn't notice. Think of their attention being narrowly focused, like being in an opaque bubble.

The shooter was perpendicular to the camera-talent angle. None of them, cameraman or talent, would have noticed anyone walking up because everyone is self-conscious in front of the camera (and in the case of the cameraman, he's looking through the viewfinder) – until the sound of that first shot.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 09:32:55 pm
Shooter raises the gun too early, lowers it and waits for the cameraman to frame the 'interview' and then 'shoots'.
   Second thoughts?

If you watch the videos, he is standing right next to the cameraman.  Close enough to touch him for several seconds and the guy never notices?  The reporter and the interviewee are just beyond his reach and none of them see him?  There is no one else there.  It's not like they are on a busy street.  It's deserted and this guy (whom they know) just walks up, stands there, raises his gun, lowers his gun, waits, raises it again and starts 'shooting'?

Quote
Little female reporter squealing and running after 3 point-blank shots to the chest?  How about laying on the ground gurgling and spewing blood?
??? got me

Exactly, would never happen.

Quote
Video frame of the 'killer' time-stamped 6:00 am when the 'shooting' happened at 6:46 am?
   Guy is like most of us and cannot set the time right on his stuff?

If you watch the video you would know that the video frame of the alleged 'shooter' that is time-stamped 6:00 am is allegedly from the same videotape time-stamped 6:46 am when the 'shooting' allegedly happened.

Quote
BBC reporters ordered by the cops to delete video tape because it might be 'evidence'?
   If very expensive camera has evidence, it gets confiscated?

Why would police order reporters to delete 'evidence'?  Didn't fit the official story?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 27, 2015, 09:38:02 pm


Quote

    Little female reporter squealing and running after 3 point-blank shots to the chest?  How about laying on the ground gurgling and spewing blood?
    ??? got me


Exactly, would never happen.


That's what's puzzling to me too. 

And the perp said he used "hollow-point" bullets.  Yet, no entry wounds or blood.

Very strange, indeed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 09:39:02 pm
OK. I must put up a little resistance here, Dan. I worked in video production running a camera. When you're doing a segment, the talent is intently focused on what is (from the camera man's perspective) in front of the camera. Someone could walk behind the talent and make bunny ears, and she wouldn't notice. Think of their attention being narrowly focused, like being in an opaque bubble.

If you watch the videos, one of them shows her glancing sideways at the alleged 'shooter'.  There are no other people there, he walks up down a long walkway and stands right next to them, close enough to tough the cameraman, raises the gun, lowers it, waits, raises it again and the 'shoots'.

Quote
The shooter was perpendicular to the camera-talent angle. None of them, cameraman or talent, would have noticed anyone walking up because everyone is self-conscious in front of the camera (and in the case of the cameraman, he's looking through the viewfinder) – until the sound of that first shot.

If you watch the videos, he was standing right next to the cameraman, almost directly in front of the interviewee.  The reporter glances at him.  Huge black guy that she knew from the station.  Fired one year before.  Raises the gun, realizes the camera isn't on the interview, lowers it, waits for the cameraman, raises it again and 'shoots'.

Lady with 3 shots to the chest squeals and runs away rather than falling and spewing blood.



Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 09:41:34 pm
That's what's puzzling to me too. 

And the perp said he used "hollow-point" bullets.  Yet, no entry wounds or blood.

Very strange, indeed.

That's why she was wearing the dark sweater.  So that the lack of blood or bullet-holes would not be a problem.

Shot 3 times in the chest with hollow-points yet she can run away squealing?

I don't think so...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 27, 2015, 09:45:35 pm
I'm not gonna start arguing the details of this, Dan. I'm still fired up over Trump and birthright citizenship.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 27, 2015, 09:48:22 pm
I'm not gonna start arguing the details of this, Dan. I'm still fired up over Trump and birthright citizenship.

OK w/ me.

I was just pointing out how your rationalizations didn't make sense in terms of actually watching the video...


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: truth_seeker on August 27, 2015, 10:00:52 pm
Gourmet Dan, the Contrary Man.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 27, 2015, 10:22:31 pm
Gourmet Dan, the Contrary Man.

Conspiracy theorists are ingenuous in a Rube Goldberg kind of way.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Lando Lincoln on August 27, 2015, 10:49:02 pm
It was LBJ.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 27, 2015, 10:59:50 pm
Quote
Little female reporter squealing
"Little"?  :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 27, 2015, 11:14:20 pm
Anyone here have the link to the original video? I cannot find a working link.

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2015/shooter-posts-video-of-shooting-warning-very-graphic-found-at-redflagnewscom (http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2015/shooter-posts-video-of-shooting-warning-very-graphic-found-at-redflagnewscom)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:07:50 am
http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2015/shooter-posts-video-of-shooting-warning-very-graphic-found-at-redflagnewscom (http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2015/shooter-posts-video-of-shooting-warning-very-graphic-found-at-redflagnewscom)

Not any different than the ones I posted.  Nobody's playing games with the videos.  There really was no one else around, a long walk up to the 'interview', plays with the zoom, walks up real close, raises the gun, oops too soon, lowers the gun, stands there waiting several seconds for the cameraman, close enough to reach out and touch the guy, then 'shoots' the reporter 3 times in the chest at point-blank range with hollow-point bullets, she runs away squealing...

Utter nonsense...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: olde north church on August 28, 2015, 01:09:54 am
Not any different than the ones I posted.  Nobody's playing games with the videos.  There really was no one else around, a long walk up to the 'interview', plays with the zoom, walks up real close, raises the gun, oops too soon, lowers the gun, stands there waiting several seconds for the cameraman, close enough to reach out and touch the guy, then 'shoots' the reporter 3 times in the chest at point-blank range with hollow-point bullets, she runs away squealing...

Utter nonsense...

The false flag peeps are all over FB re:  this.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 01:13:40 am
Not any different than the ones I posted.  Nobody's playing games with the videos.  There really was no one else around, a long walk up to the 'interview', plays with the zoom, walks up real close, raises the gun, oops too soon, lowers the gun, stands there waiting several seconds for the cameraman, close enough to reach out and touch the guy, then 'shoots' the reporter 3 times in the chest at point-blank range with hollow-point bullets, she runs away squealing...

Utter nonsense...

But most of us have real lives and no time for this nonsense.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:15:06 am
 
This is the one where she actually looks over at the 'shooter' at the 2:14 mark before he raises the gun the first time.  He then lowers the gun and waits several seconds standing within arms reach, waiting for the cameraman to get the camera rolling before he 'shoots'.

There is literally no one else around at 6:46 a.m. and she looks over at her former co-worker who was fired a year ago and has just walked up to the 'interview.  The camera isn't even rolling yet.  The cameraman is fiddling with it, that's why the 'shooter' has to lower the gun the first time.

This is beside the 6:00 am time stamp problem for the alleged video frame identifying the 'shooter' from a 6:46 am video.


Time-stamp problems noted at the 5:10 mark of the video.
 

WDBJ Virginia Shooting: Freemason-Illuminati Media HOAX!  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gYyVXMF88&feature=youtu.be)

Clearly staged from the beginning...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:16:27 am
But most of us have real lives and no time for this nonsense.

Is that why you do have time for this nonsense?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:24:00 am
The false flag peeps are all over FB re:  this.

And for good reason... that's exactly what it is... and very badly done at that...


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 01:28:42 am
And for good reason... that's exactly what it is... and very badly done at that...

Has anyone spoken to the interviewee?   The poor lady who was shot once in the back and is now in stable condition in the hospital?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:37:40 am
 
Other people are starting to notice...

Very Serious Problems with the WDBJ Shooting Story (http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-liberal/2015/08/very-serious-problems-with-the-wdbj-shooting-story-2512144.html?currentSplittedPage=1)

Some excerpts...

"Something that very few people seem to be asking is, to me, the most obvious: how did Vester Lee Flanagan know where they were going to be for the promo shoot?"

"What I intend to show here is the fact that Mr. Flanagan was a bit early on his cue and hit his mark before he was supposed to, so he simply stepped back, waited, and then made his entrance again. This might actually be one of the main reasons they don’t want you watching that video."

"What we have here is someone entering a scene, hitting his mark early, stepping as if he made an entrance onstage too soon and jumped back in the wings hoping no one would notice. Then, he waits, and resumes his entrance. The others take no notice of him, but that’s ridiculous. Of course they would notice him. How could they not notice him. He’s a large man with a gun pointed at them 4 feet away."

"So why is it that he was so concerned about making sure the shooting aspect of the scene was on live TV? I thought he wanted to go “boom!!!”"

"He waited because the “shock and awe” aspect of the shooting was all about being live on TV. That’s how it worked. How it was scripted to work. Like the second plane hitting the South Tower 15 minutes after one hit the North Tower. Cameras were all there filming the burning building for live TV broadcasts and here comes another plane to slam into the other tower. Shock and awe."

"In this case, the shooter not only left the scene, he drove more than 3 hours away, “hundreds of miles”, in morning traffic, on his way to DC from the look of it. Why would he do that?"

"We have been told that law enforcement figured out what car the shooter was in (somehow) and tracked him for “hundreds of miles” on interstate 81. Did they track him to the Fed Ex where he supposedly faxed his “manifesto”? They would have had to, right? He did that two hours after the shooting. Why didn’t they stop him then?"

"Then we are told there was a chase and a “crash” after which, the shooter took his own life with a handgun in a rental car. Below is a picture of that ‘crash’ and the rental car. Does that look like a ‘crash’ to you? There aren’t even tracks or skid marks in the soft grass behind the car, which apparently hit absolutely nothing. Seems to me he pulled off the road in complete control and someone… got out.. possibly disappearing in the woods?"

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 01:41:24 am
Has anyone spoken to the interviewee?   The poor lady who was shot once in the back and is now in stable condition in the hospital?

Cui bono?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 01:42:01 am
It's plausible that he followed them from the time they left the station for the interview...he had a rental car.

What I'm wondering is how he got a rental car.

Did you see the interior of his apartment?  Cat feces and urine...not one thing/picture/art on any walls....no bedding on the mattress.

Seems to me that being broke and out of work drove his jealousy over the edge.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:43:29 am
It's plausible that he followed them from the time they left the station for the interview...he had a rental car.

How would he know they were leaving the station before 6 am for an interview?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 01:43:58 am
Cui bono?

Everyone's?

After all...she didn't shoot herself in the back, did she?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 01:44:52 am
How would he know they were leaving the station before 6 am for an interview?

Because he'd done that same routine himself when he did the young lady's job.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:45:36 am
Seems to me that being broke and out of work drove his jealousy over the edge.

'Over the edge' and 'out of control' but possessing the presence of mind to stand there and wait until the camera was rolling live?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:46:00 am
Because he'd done that same routine himself when he did the young lady's job.

Every day?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 01:47:42 am
Everyone's?

After all...she didn't shoot herself in the back, did she?
WTF does that mean?  There is a charge leveled.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:49:09 am
WTF does that mean?  There is a charge leveled.

I thought you had a 'real life' and 'no time for this nonsense'?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 01:49:26 am
'Over the edge' and 'out of control' but possessing the presence of mind to stand there and wait until the camera was rolling live?

Planning the executions is one matter.  Thus, his desire to make sure the production crew in the studio was seeing it happen "live".

I'm just saying that a person would have to be crazy to even get to the planning stage, let alone carry out the murders.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 01:52:33 am
I thought you had a 'real life' and 'no time for this nonsense'?

Come on Dan...you are the conspiracy lover no?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:56:57 am
Planning the executions is one matter.  Thus, his desire to make sure the production crew in the studio was seeing it happen "live".

I'm just saying that a person would have to be crazy to even get to the planning stage, let alone carry out the murders.

Yeah, big black guy standing within arms-reach waits for the camera to roll even though he risks ruining the whole live 'execution' if anybody notices him.

Funny thing is, he is noticed, the reporter looks at him and everybody just waits for the 'scene' to start...


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 01:57:11 am
WTF does that mean?  There is a charge leveled.

LOL!  You don't do so well in this type of venue when it comes to carrying a conversation, do you?

I was trying to disprove the conspiracy theory together with Gourmet Dan...it's my belief this was no hoax.

Showing an interview with the survivor's family, or the surgeon's involved, etc., would dispel this entire conspiracy, IMO.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:59:28 am
Come on Dan...you are the conspiracy lover no?

C'mon bk, I thought you had a 'real life' and 'no time for this nonsense'?

Now apparently you don't and you do... and you yourself have become the object of your lame attempt at insult...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 02:01:20 am
LOL!  You don't do so well in this type of venue when it comes to carrying a conversation, do you?

I was trying to disprove the conspiracy theory together with Gourmet Dan...it's my belief this was no hoax.

Showing an interview with the survivor's family, or the surgeon's involved, etc., would dispel this entire conspiracy, IMO.

Ok..good..I hope?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 02:02:58 am
Showing an interview with the survivor's family, or the surgeon's involved, etc., would dispel this entire conspiracy, IMO.

Not any more than showing an interview with the victim's fiance and father by Megyn "The Tool" Kelly... who were quick with the web address and the call for more 'gun control'... that would be the first thing I would do if my daughter was murdered... give Megyn an interview and call for more gun control...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 28, 2015, 02:09:05 am
Not any more than showing an interview with the victim's fiance and father by Megyn "The Tool" Kelly... who were quick with the web address and the call for more 'gun control'... that would be the first thing I would do if my daughter was murdered... give Megyn an interview and call for more gun control...

I know everyone grieves differently and this father is probably still in shock...but jeeeez..he's on every channel that will give him a mic....if this was my son or daughter I would be prostrate  in bed heavily sedated......

btw I am not the least bit interested in the conspiracy theories....unless there is a grassy knoll involved.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 02:09:45 am
I was trying to disprove the conspiracy theory together with Gourmet Dan...it's my belief this was no hoax.

Seems to me that you have to make a lot of assumptions and excuses to explain-away all of the anomalies...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 02:13:03 am
I know everyone grieves differently and this father is probably still in shock...but jeeeez..he's on every channel that will give him a mic....if this was my son or daughter I would be prostrate  in bed heavily sedated......

He's on every channel that will give him a mic for a reason... Bammy would never waste a good crisis... esp one he has manufactured himself...

Quote
btw I am not the least bit interested in the conspiracy theories....unless there is a grassy knoll involved.

I'm really wondering just what it would take for some of you to recognize that you're being played...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 02:14:41 am
Not any more than showing an interview with the victim's fiance and father by Megyn "The Tool" Kelly... who were quick with the web address and the call for more 'gun control'... that would be the first thing I would do if my daughter was murdered... give Megyn an interview and call for more gun control...

Beg your pardon?  Maybe tomorrow you will consider us worthy too?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 02:15:29 am
Beg your pardon?  Maybe tomorrow you will consider us worthy too?

Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: famousdayandyear on August 28, 2015, 02:32:58 am
I have watched the video, and the woman doing the interview seems to me to have been shot at (almost) point blank range.  Are there any ballistics experts (considering the weapon is a 9mm SA) that can explain why she was able to turn and run after the first round that must have entered her upper torso?  Some sort of adrenaline "flight" reaction?

I would have thought the first round would have caused her to drop.
(I do not want to be inconsiderate, but this is my question)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 02:35:57 am
I know everyone grieves differently and this father is probably still in shock...but jeeeez..he's on every channel that will give him a mic....if this was my son or daughter I would be prostrate  in bed heavily sedated......

btw I am not the least bit interested in the conspiracy theories....unless there is a grassy knoll involved.

Amen, Myst!

I'd be in a fetal position and totally inconsolable.  And when you add the boyfriend telling the camera the website that handles donations, you'd think this was the Jerry Lewis Telethon.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 02:41:10 am
I have watched the video, and the woman doing the interview seems to me to have been shot at (almost) point blank range.  Are there any ballistics experts (considering the weapon is a 9mm SA) that can explain why she was able to turn and run after the first round that must have entered her upper torso?  Some sort of adrenaline "flight" reaction?

I would have thought the first round would have caused her to drop.
(I do not want to be inconsiderate, but this is my question)

Same here, 'famous'!   :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: famousdayandyear on August 28, 2015, 02:46:05 am
This whole scenario is beginning to smell stinky to me.  I listened to the VA state police scanner the whole time, and it sounded, pretty scripted to me.  For instance, at the conclusion, dispatch said:  "Disregard"  which means  there has been some mistake or miscommunication. 

Usually, dispatch says:  "In custody", meaning "slow down", perp is in our control now.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 02:47:42 am
This whole scenario is beginning to smell stinky to me.  I listened to the VA state police scanner the whole time, and it sounded, pretty scripted to me.  For instance, at the conclusion, dispatch said:  "Disregard"  which means  there has been some mistake or miscommunication. 

Usually, dispatch says:  "In custody", meaning "slow down", perp is in our control now.

Do you realize how many people would have to be "in on it"?

It would be impossible to control the hoax from being exposed.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: famousdayandyear on August 28, 2015, 02:55:20 am
Do you realize how many people would have to be "in on it"?

It would be impossible to control the hoax from being exposed.

Yep, you're right.  I just can't erase these two anomalies from my thoughts about this terrible event.  But I try to imagine if I were shot at close range, I might look down to where the wound may be before I ran.
Silly, I know.  (But then I would be drawing my weapon if I happened to be carrying)

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 05:12:43 am
Yeah, big black guy standing within arms-reach waits for the camera to roll even though he risks ruining the whole live 'execution' if anybody notices him.

Funny thing is, he is noticed, the reporter looks at him and everybody just waits for the 'scene' to start...

I explained that to you, Dan. When the camera is about to roll or is rolling, talent blocks out the extraneous and focuses on the interview. The big black guy could walk up stark naked and they wouldn't notice. They are busy getting the interview. They're focused. Hyper focused. Camera lighting also reduces the eyes accommodation and thus visual cues.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: rangerrebew on August 28, 2015, 07:57:06 am
Vester Lee Flanagan: Inside the home of gunman Bryce Williams where he prepared for murder
The Telegraph is given exclusive video and pictures showing the Virginia gunman's home, with cat urine all over the kitchen floor and the discovery of sex toys


By Ruth Sherlock, Roanoke, video edited by Charlotte Krol

4:00PM BST 27 Aug 2015

The Telegraph has obtained exclusive pictures and video footage from inside the apartment of Vester Lee Flanagan, revealing details of the gunman’s life in the days before he murdered Alison Palmer and Adam Ward.

The images, accompanied with testimony from a source familiar with the investigation into shooting, paint the most detailed picture yet to have emerged into the life of the former journalist who shot his two colleagues at point blank range on Wednesday morning.

 
Flanagan prepared for the murder by dumping personal "documents" into several waste bins around the area, the source told the Telegraph.

But he left behind an apartment filled with his personal effects, including photographs of himself during his days as a television journalist and posters that appear to be of male pin-ups.

MORE

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11827256/Vester-Lee-Flanagan-Inside-the-home-of-gunman-Bryce-Williams-where-he-prepared-for-murder.html
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Bigun on August 28, 2015, 10:45:15 am
(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Gay_Flag_Ban_Shooting.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: olde north church on August 28, 2015, 11:27:09 am
I explained that to you, Dan. When the camera is about to roll or is rolling, talent blocks out the extraneous and focuses on the interview. The big black guy could walk up stark naked and they wouldn't notice. They are busy getting the interview. They're focused. Hyper focused. Camera lighting also reduces the eyes accommodation and thus visual cues.

And what happens to the those involved, they just live the rest of their lives as protected witnesses or just chalked up as another victims of violent crime?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: massadvj on August 28, 2015, 11:38:30 am
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/59693960.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 28, 2015, 12:08:57 pm
The comments that became a reporter’s death sentence
By Marisa Schultz and Frank Rosario
August 28, 2015 | 1:01am
NY Post (http://nypost.com/2015/08/28/reporters-everyday-comments-deemed-racist-by-on-air-killer/)
Quote
ROANOKE, Va. — The words are a part of everyday conversation — “swinging” by an address and going out in the “field.”

But in the twisted mind of Virginia gunman Vester Lee Flanagan II, they were pure racism — and saying them became a death sentence for Alison Parker.

The 24-year-old white reporter, who was murdered on live TV along with her cameraman, used the phrases as an intern at ­WDBJ TV in Roanoke in 2012, according to an internal complaint filed by Flanagan, who was black.

“One was something about ‘swinging’ by some place; the other was out in the ‘field,’ ” said the Jan. 21 report by assistant news director Greg Baldwin, which refers to Parker as Alison Bailey (her middle name).

Parker was never disciplined over the remarks, but Flanagan never forgot them.

Hours after gunning her and Adam Ward down during their broadcast Wednesday, Flanagan revealed in tweets that the comments were still fresh on his mind.

“Alison made racist comments,” Flanagan posted as he was on the run from cops.

“They hired her after that??” he wrote.

But colleagues said that it was all in Flanagan’s head and that Parker was as far from racist as they come.

“That’s how that guy’s mind worked. Just crazy, left-field assumptions like that,” Ryan Fuqua, a video editor at WDBJ, told The Post.

“[Those words are] just common, everyday talk. [But] that was his MO — to start s- -t,” Fuqua ­explained. “He was unstable. One time, after one of our live shots failed, he threw all his stuff down and ran into the woods for like 20 minutes.”

Flanagan made the accusations a month before he was fired in February 2013. The document was part of his unsuccessful discrimination lawsuit against the television station.

Trevor Fair, a 33-year-old cameraman at WDBJ for six years, said that the words Parker used are commonplace but that they would routinely set off Flanagan.

“We would say stuff like, ‘The reporter’s out in the field.’ And he would look at us and say, ‘What are you saying, cotton fields? That’s racist,’ ” Fair recounted.

“We’d be like, ‘What?’ We all know what that means, but he took it as cotton fields, and therefore we’re all racists.”

“This guy was a nightmare,” Fair said. “Management’s worst nightmare.”

Flanagan assumed everything was a jab at his race, even when a manager brought in watermelon for all employees.

“Of course, he thought that was racist. He was like, ‘You’re doing that because of me.’ No, the general manager brought in watermelon for the entire news team. He’s like, ‘Nope, this is out for me. You guys are calling me out because I’m black.’ ”

Flanagan even declared that ­7-Eleven was racist because it sold watermelon-flavored Slurpees.

“It’s not a coincidence, they’re racist,” he allegedly told Fair.

 A black former classmate of Parker at James Madison University was stunned by the allegations, saying Parker was kind to people of all races during their time at the Harrisonburg, Va., school.

“When I took [my journalism] job, she recommended me,” Jessica Albert told The Associated Press. “She did that for me, so she’s definitely not a racist.”

Meanwhile, authorities revealed Thursday that Flanagan planned on getting away after the murders, and that suicide was a last resort.

Inside the rental car where he killed himself during a police pursuit, cops found a briefcase with three license plates, a wig, a shawl, an umbrella, sunglasses, a black hat, and a to-do list.

Cops also discovered a Glock 19 pistol with multiple magazines and ammunition, a white iPhone, several letters and notes, a “powder residue” and “bodily fluids.”

Police identified Flanagan as a person of interest in the murders when he sent an unnamed friend a text message “making reference to having done something stupid,” according to a Virginia State Police search-warrant affidavit.

At Flanagan’s house in Roanoke, cops found evidence that he was a self-absorbed slob who indulged in gay porn in his spartan living space.

They found unwashed sex toys, cat feces and several pictures of himself on his refrigerator, according to the Daily Mirror.

Prior to their search, officers entered the residence through the balcony, fearing Flanagan might have left booby traps.

Images obtained by the British newspaper show that his home — just 500 yards from the WDBJ studios — had little furniture aside from a leather couch and chair.

A neighbor said Flanagan was often “rude and arrogant” and that would throw cat feces at apartment doors during disputes.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: olde north church on August 28, 2015, 12:12:46 pm
I really don't want to be crude but is "Flanagan", the shooter, one of those "Black Irish" I hear so much about?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: massadvj on August 28, 2015, 12:29:02 pm
But colleagues said that it was all in Flanagan’s head and that Parker was as far from racist as they come.
“That’s how that guy’s mind worked. Just crazy, left-field assumptions like that,” Ryan Fuqua, a video editor at WDBJ, told The Post.
“[Those words are] just common, everyday talk. [But] that was his MO — to start s- -t,” Fuqua ­explained. “He was unstable. One time, after one of our live shots failed, he threw all his stuff down and ran into the woods for like 20 minutes.”
Flanagan made the accusations a month before he was fired in February 2013. The document was part of his unsuccessful discrimination lawsuit against the television station.
Trevor Fair, a 33-year-old cameraman at WDBJ for six years, said that the words Parker used are commonplace but that they would routinely set off Flanagan.
“We would say stuff like, ‘The reporter’s out in the field.’ And he would look at us and say, ‘What are you saying, cotton fields? That’s racist,’ ” Fair recounted.
“We’d be like, ‘What?’ We all know what that means, but he took it as cotton fields, and therefore we’re all racists.”
“This guy was a nightmare,” Fair said. “Management’s worst nightmare.”
Flanagan assumed everything was a jab at his race, even when a manager brought in watermelon for all employees.
“Of course, he thought that was racist. He was like, ‘You’re doing that because of me.’ No, the general manager brought in watermelon for the entire news team. He’s like, ‘Nope, this is out for me. You guys are calling me out because I’m black.’ ”
Flanagan even declared that ­7-Eleven was racist because it sold watermelon-flavored Slurpees.


Thank you, Al Sharpton and the Democrat Party, where no accusation of racism is too absurd.



Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 12:35:05 pm
(https://www.teachengineering.org/collection/cub_/lessons/cub_images/cub_simp_machines_lesson05_figure1.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EC on August 28, 2015, 12:38:03 pm
I have watched the video, and the woman doing the interview seems to me to have been shot at (almost) point blank range.  Are there any ballistics experts (considering the weapon is a 9mm SA) that can explain why she was able to turn and run after the first round that must have entered her upper torso?  Some sort of adrenaline "flight" reaction?

I would have thought the first round would have caused her to drop.
(I do not want to be inconsiderate, but this is my question)

Short answer - people are tougher than you give them credit for. They can take an incredible amount of damage in a short space of time and just keep going, especially if the going is in the direction "the hell out of here."

Peope take time to die. Bleeding out takes two minutes at the very minimum - and that's with a leg removed at the upper thigh so the femoral is completely unobstructed. Sudden intense injuries don't kick in the pain receptors either - the body basically thinks "we can hurt later." Anyone who has been in an accident will tell you that.
And bullets are not exactly magic. The only way to guarantee someone will drop first bullet is to use a round (bullet or shell) big enough to remove a leg.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Bigun on August 28, 2015, 12:54:38 pm
Short answer - people are tougher than you give them credit for. They can take an incredible amount of damage in a short space of time and just keep going, especially if the going is in the direction "the hell out of here."

Peope take time to die. Bleeding out takes two minutes at the very minimum - and that's with a leg removed at the upper thigh so the femoral is completely unobstructed. Sudden intense injuries don't kick in the pain receptors either - the body basically thinks "we can hurt later." Anyone who has been in an accident will tell you that.
And bullets are not exactly magic. The only way to guarantee someone will drop first bullet is to use a round (bullet or shell) big enough to remove a leg.

Or make sure the bullet takes out the brain or brain stem.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 12:58:48 pm
What struck me was how the guy in the hoax video kept repeating: where the shells at? where the shells at? where the shells at?

They eject at a high rate of speed. The camera's refresh rate is pretty good but not as good as a human eye.

And even if the rounds were blanks, they still need to eject to clear the chamber for the next "blank" cartridge.

Why am I even arguing this? This is silly.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EdinVA on August 28, 2015, 01:07:10 pm
Why am I even arguing this? This is silly.

 :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Lando Lincoln on August 28, 2015, 01:07:27 pm
I've changed my mind about this. It was Castro operatives. Had to be.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: alicewonders on August 28, 2015, 01:26:35 pm
I've changed my mind about this. It was Castro operatives. Had to be.

Was there a grassy knoll nearby?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: alicewonders on August 28, 2015, 01:28:01 pm
I really don't want to be crude but is "Flanagan", the shooter, one of those "Black Irish" I hear so much about?

Doesn't Vester Lee Flanagan II sound like a fake name?  Weird.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 01:30:25 pm
Doesn't Vester Lee Flanagan II sound like a fake name?  Weird.

Ever notice how serial killers and mass shooters always have a middle name, and it's usually Lee?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: massadvj on August 28, 2015, 01:33:21 pm
Doesn't Vester Lee Flanagan II sound like a fake name?  Weird.

I did a little investigating and founf 45 points of similarity between this killing and the Kennedy assassination.  For example, both killers have the word "Lee" in their names, both killers have three full names, and have exactly the same number of syllables in their names.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: alicewonders on August 28, 2015, 01:33:56 pm
Ever notice how serial killers and mass shooters always have a middle name, and it's usually Lee?

I have.

My middle name is Lea (pronounced Lee)...........

 :whistle:

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: andy58-in-nh on August 28, 2015, 01:34:26 pm
Ever notice how serial killers and mass shooters always have a middle name, and it's usually Lee?

Or Wayne.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 01:37:00 pm
I did a little investigating and founf 45 points of similarity between this killing and the Kennedy assassination.  For example, both killers have the word "Lee" in their names, both killers have three full names, and have exactly the same number of syllables in their names.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.

 :laugh:   I'm liking the direction this 'conversation' is headed.....
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 01:40:11 pm
I did a little investigating and founf 45 points of similarity between this killing and the Kennedy assassination.  For example, both killers have the word "Lee" in their names, both killers have three full names, and have exactly the same number of syllables in their names.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.

Lee Harvey Oswald....5 syllables

Vester Lee Flanagan....6 syllables

....back to the drawing board. ^-^
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 01:40:58 pm
:laugh:   I'm liking the direction this 'conversation' is headed.....

Yes, it's good to laugh a little...
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: massadvj on August 28, 2015, 01:45:27 pm
Lee Harvey Oswald....5 syllables

Vester Lee Flanagan....6 syllables

....back to the drawing board. ^-^

Someone actually counted?  I'll take that as a victory.  What you failed to consider is that the second "a" in Flanagan is silent. 

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:45:33 pm
I explained that to you, Dan. When the camera is about to roll or is rolling, talent blocks out the extraneous and focuses on the interview. The big black guy could walk up stark naked and they wouldn't notice. They are busy getting the interview. They're focused. Hyper focused. Camera lighting also reduces the eyes accommodation and thus visual cues.

It was 6:46 am, no one else is around and a big black guy walks up to your 'interview'... they probably felt the walkway shaking from this guy walking up... there was literally no one else around... the guy raises a gun practically in your face... the camera wasn't rolling... that's why the 'shooter' lowered the gun and waited for the cameraman to start shooting... , you look at him but you don't 'notice'... he's standing close enough to touch the camera man but you don't 'notice'?

That's B.S.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 01:49:55 pm
It was 6:46 am, no one else is around and a big black guy walks up to your 'interview'... they probably felt the walkway shaking from this guy walking up... there was literally no one else around... the guy raises a gun practically in your face... the camera wasn't rolling... that's why the 'shooter' lowered the gun and waited for the cameraman to start shooting... , you look at him but you don't 'notice'... he's standing close enough to touch the camera man but you don't 'notice'?

That's B.S.

I fear you may be alone on this one, Dan. But you've never been one to back down. Stay thirsty, my friend.  :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 01:53:18 pm
(http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/fytpA9nZX3w/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 01:55:18 pm
I fear you may be alone on this one, Dan. But you've never been one to back down. Stay thirsty, my friend.  :beer:

Why would you be afraid to hold a minority position AC?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 01:55:49 pm
Yes, it's good to laugh a little...

Can we talk about that fake moon landing next??    ^-^
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 01:58:16 pm
Why would you be afraid to hold a minority position AC?

Sorry, I don't think it's a minority position. More like an outlier position.

But, that's not what I said. I said you don't back down. I was giving you a complement.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: andy58-in-nh on August 28, 2015, 02:02:19 pm
I did a little investigating and founf 45 points of similarity between this killing and the Kennedy assassination.  For example, both killers have the word "Lee" in their names, both killers have three full names, and have exactly the same number of syllables in their names.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.

Not only that, but there was a grassy knoll right beside the shooting site, a woman with an open umbrella on a clear day, and I'm pretty sure I saw E. Howard Hunt and George Bush standing across the street, disguised as bums.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 02:03:11 pm
I really don't want to be crude but is "Flanagan", the shooter, one of those "Black Irish" I hear so much about?

H - A - double R - I - G- A - N  spells Flanagan.


(Sorry... but there's always a song in my head......)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 02:04:08 pm
Sorry, I don't think it's a minority position. More like an outlier position.

So why would you be afraid to hold an outlier position AC?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 02:04:43 pm
Sorry, I don't think it's a minority position. More like an outlier position.

But, that's not what I said. I said you don't back down. I was giving you a complement.

That was obvious, ac.  Persistence can be a virtue.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 02:06:13 pm
H - A - double R - I - G- A - N  spells Flanagan.


(Sorry... but there's always a song in my head......)

I remember a TV show from the 60s that had that musical theme. Is that from where you recall it?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 02:07:57 pm
So why would you be afraid to hold an outlier position AC?

No. If I believe in something, I fight for it. But, I can't get on this hoax bandwagon because I don't believe it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 02:11:08 pm
I remember a TV show from the 60s that had that musical theme. Is that from where you recall it?

It was the theme song of an old show (Harrigan and Sons?), but I remember it better from the movie "Yankee Doodle Dandy" with James Cagney playing George M. Cohan. (It was a Cohan song.......... and I can sing every word!)  I also have the sheet music for it.

I love songs from the late 19th and early 20th centuries.   I'm kinda weird that way.  ^-^
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 02:13:12 pm
I remember a TV show from the 60s that had that musical theme. Is that from where you recall it?

I remember now. The show was called Harrigan. H-A-double R-I---G-A-N-spells Harrigan, was the theme song.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 02:13:49 pm
Beat me to the punch. You know your music!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 02:19:21 pm
H - A - double R - I - G- A - N  spells Flanagan.


(Sorry... but there's always a song in my head......)

 :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 02:23:39 pm
No. If I believe in something, I fight for it. But, I can't get on this hoax bandwagon because I don't believe it.

I think what you did was to reveal just how much the 'normalcy bias' affects your opinions.  You and your social group don't believe that gov't and media would conspire to produce a fake on-air shooting to advance the gun-control agenda, so you don't believe it when it happens.   

Think about it.  Nobody really gets killed, participants get well paid for their efforts, a concept they all believe in (gun-control) gets advanced in society and everybody feels all warm and fuzzy.  No harm, no foul.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EdinVA on August 28, 2015, 02:24:05 pm
It was the theme song of an old show (Harrigan and Sons?), but I remember it better from the movie "Yankee Doodle Dandy" with James Cagney playing George M. Cohan. (It was a Cohan song.......... and I can sing every word!)  I also have the sheet music for it.

I love songs from the late 19th and early 20th centuries.   I'm kinda weird that way.  ^-^

20th century... plz don't say it that way... makes my knees hurt.. :)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 02:28:55 pm
I remember now. The show was called Harrigan. H-A-double R-I---G-A-N-spells Harrigan, was the theme song.

Just checked it out.  It was Harrigan and Son about a father and son lawyer team, and Pat O'Brien played the father.

I'm pretty sure I watched the show, but it actually was on the air more than 50 years ago, so it's a faded memory.  ^-^
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 02:30:18 pm
I think what you did was to reveal just how much the 'normalcy bias' affects your opinions.  You and your social group don't believe that gov't and media would conspire to produce a fake on-air shooting to advance the gun-control agenda, so you don't believe it when it happens.   

Think about it.  Nobody really gets killed, participants get well paid for their efforts, a concept they all believe in (gun-control) gets advanced in society and everybody feels all warm and fuzzy.  No harm, no foul.

Reminds me of 'Doubting Thomas'...who Jesus asked to come and put his hands into his wounds.

If you saw the bodies, would you change your mind?  Or, in your opinion, would they be wax figures?   
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 02:34:16 pm
Reminds me of 'Doubting Thomas'...who Jesus asked to come and put his hands into his wounds.

If you saw the bodies, would you change your mind?  Or, in your opinion, would they be wax figures?   

Reminds me of Jim Jones followers who drank the Kool-Aid because they were told that's what they should do.

You seriously don't think that your gov't and media would fake an on-air shooting where nobody actually gets hurt to advance the gun-control agenda.

Recognizing that they absolutely would do that shouldn't be difficult...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 02:34:43 pm
Reminds me of 'Doubting Thomas'...who Jesus asked to come and put his hands into his wounds.

If you saw the bodies, would you change your mind?  Or, in your opinion, would they be wax figures?   

I have a feeling that Dan could even go to an open casket funeral viewing and still think it was a one-world-government hoax with the 'victims' being given a drug to make them look dead.......    **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 02:36:01 pm
I don't buy into ancient aliens, either.

But, how to explain Bernie Sanders, then?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 02:37:06 pm
I don't buy into ancient aliens, either.

But, how to explain Bernie Sanders, then?

It was his recording of "This Land is Your Land" that catapulted him to fame....     

Have you heard it?  It's splendid!  :smokin:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 02:38:48 pm
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Sir Winston Churchill
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 02:41:00 pm
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Sir Winston Churchill

Churchill would know.  He was pretty notorious for getting fixated on something.  Never conspiracies though.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 02:42:06 pm
I don't buy into ancient aliens, either.

Your gov't has a huge incentive to stage something like this.  They definitely want to disarm Americans and eliminate the 2A.

You didn't even see the reporter fall down.  She ran off after allegedly taking 3 hollow-points in the chest at point-blank range.

Father and fiance immediately give an interview promoting gun-control and a website.  White Hut immediately agrees.

BBC crew is ordered by police to delete video because it might be 'evidence'.

Ask yourself why you need to believe that this 'shooting' is true.  Because it was 'live' and on TV?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: andy58-in-nh on August 28, 2015, 02:47:43 pm
I don't buy into ancient aliens, either.

But, how to explain Bernie Sanders, then?

Socialists in Space.
 
Boldly going where no person of indeterminate sexual preference has gone before.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 02:52:12 pm
I don't buy into ancient aliens, either.

But, how to explain Bernie Sanders, then?

Socialists in Space.
 
Boldly going where no person of indeterminate sexual preference has gone before.

At last we get to the two best arguments against this being a staged event...


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 02:55:29 pm
At last we get to the two best arguments against this being a staged event...

Dan, I'm trying to be polite here. I respectfully decline to entertain the notion that this was a staged event.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 02:58:07 pm
Dan, I'm trying to be polite here. I respectfully decline to entertain the notion that this was a staged event.

Yes, I know you do.

You refuse to consider that your gov't and media might stage an event designed to encourage further erosion of your constitutional right to defend yourself.

You apparently have no other reason for doing so other than it was on T.V. and you trust the media...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: EC on August 28, 2015, 03:00:54 pm
(http://static.coleparmer.com/large_images/06275SE02.jpg)

Here. You've run out.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 03:01:09 pm
Dan, I'm trying to be polite here. I respectfully decline to entertain the notion that this was a staged event.

ac............ it might be helpful for you to know that Dan thinks the British lost our Revolutionary War because of a one world government order.

He's not going to be dissuaded from this hoax thing, no matter what is said to refute it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 03:01:53 pm
And he's going to continue to attack you for disagreeing with him......
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 03:07:21 pm
Here. You've run out.

Ah, here's another one who trusts the gov't and media to always tell him the truth because it has trained him to believe everything he sees on T.V.

Makes excuses to support the official narrative even though he never saw any blood or anyone even fall down.

Swallows the entire story without realizing just how much he 'believes' happened that he didn't actually see happen because it was 'live T.V.'.

Ridicules anyone who points these things out to him...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: alicewonders on August 28, 2015, 03:11:07 pm
I'm certainly up for conspiracy theories - but, like the Sandy Hook theory - I just don't think they could get away with something like this for very long.  To pull it off, it would have to have been put together long ago - to establish these "actors" in long-held jobs, schoolmates, neighbors, family, etc.  Especially in a place like a small town outside of Roanoke, Va.  People know everybody in these places - you can't just come in with a new cast of characters and act like they've been around for awhile.

Now, if you ask me if I think a person that is being counseled and/or medicated by a mental health professional with an agenda - if they would be capable of planting a seed of violence in a disturbed person's psyche for the purpose of instigating a violent event which could be used to sound the battle cry against guns - or to stir up racial hate.........

I've been open to that theory for a long time.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: andy58-in-nh on August 28, 2015, 03:11:17 pm
Yes, I know you do.

You refuse to consider that your gov't and media might stage an event designed to encourage further erosion of your constitutional right to defend yourself.

You apparently have no other reason for doing so other than it was on T.V. and you trust the media...

Conspiracies fail - always - because of math, as much as due to essential human nature. For each proposed plan, the number of people who would need to be involved, permanently purchased, and perfectly coopted far exceeds the marginal propensity for any one of them to talk about it, or be caught in a lie and found out.
 
And as time goes on, that number increases, as evidence inadvertantly leaks out and also, as human nature militates against keeping any secret for very long.
 
Besides, in this case you only have to see the parents of the murdered girl to know that they are not faking anything. 
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: aligncare on August 28, 2015, 03:11:43 pm
I like Dan. We agree on a couple of issues. But, I can't go where he insists I go. I'll do a great big mia culpa should I be proven wrong ... but, I'm not going there!
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 03:16:58 pm
I like Dan. We agree on a couple of issues. But, I can't go where he insists I go. I'll do a great big mia culpa should I be proven wrong ... but, I'm not going there!

I'm not insisting that you go anywhere.

Lots of things that really happened have never been proven.

If you want to believe that your gov't and media tell you the truth about alleged events that benefit them while eroding your constitutional rights because of what they told you you saw (not what you actually saw) on T.V., you are certainly free to do that.

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 03:21:38 pm
Besides, in this case you only have to see the parents of the murdered girl to know that they are not faking anything.

Her father has been pimping gun-control since the day this happened.  How convenient.

He's also an actor having appeared on Broadway from '79 to '85.  Andy Parker (https://www.linkedin.com/in/parkerandy)

Better hurry before he edits his LinkedIn profile...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 03:25:17 pm
I like Dan. We agree on a couple of issues. But, I can't go where he insists I go. I'll do a great big mia culpa should I be proven wrong ... but, I'm not going there!

He's not 'insisting' you go there, but he's basically calling you stupid and gullible if you don't.

No way to win this, or break even.  He's a true believer in whatever group he belongs to.....
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 03:29:07 pm
To pull it off, it would have to have been put together long ago - to establish these "actors" in long-held jobs, schoolmates, neighbors, family, etc.  Especially in a place like a small town outside of Roanoke, Va.  People know everybody in these places - you can't just come in with a new cast of characters and act like they've been around for awhile.

All you really need is a small cast of characters who agree to accept lots of money to play a role to advance an agenda they already agree with and then relocate.

The father obviously was a gun-control advocate before this 'happened'.  He didn't find a website to advocate gun-control in his spare time on the day his daughter gets 'killed' because he was bored.

You guys really need to step back and look at how you rationalize what you were told happened.  You didn't see any shell-casings come out of the gun, you didn't see anybody get shot because she was wearing a dark sweater, you didn't see any blood, you didn't even see anybody fall down.  The video frame of the 'killer' was taken from video made at 6:00 am while the alleged shooting 'happened' at 6:46 am.

You believe this happened because the T.V. says it happened... no other reason...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 28, 2015, 03:40:47 pm
 :facepalm2:
Don't know what else to say.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 03:59:57 pm
:facepalm2:
Don't know what else to say.

Me either.

The father's an actor who is ready with his gun-control schtick, the picture of the alleged perp has an earlier time-stamp, you don't see anybody fall down, you don't see any blood, you don't see any shell casings, the police make the BBC delete their footage.

You don't seem to understand that you believe certain crucial details in spite of the fact that you didn't actually see them and there are plenty of anomalies.  I think the time-stamp issue alone should convince you that something is very wrong here.


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: truth_seeker on August 28, 2015, 04:18:30 pm
Here is a site with all the claims, that Dan repeats. Dan really should make attributions for his claims, instead of leaving the false idea they are his original work.

Along the way the conspiracy author calls Wolf Blitzer a Zionist, refers to Hillary Clinton, and mentions vaccines. So the conspiracy claims are full of political content. I didn't read far enough to see the Build-a-Burgers, One-Worlders, etc. but I bet it is there too.

http://authenticenlightenment.com/2015/08/27/virginia-journalist-false-flag-hoax-shooting-hits-an-all-time-low-serious-fakery/
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 04:24:34 pm
 
Reuters just posted on Yahoo that Slain Virginia TV journalists shot both in head and body (http://news.yahoo.com/virginia-television-journalists-shot-heads-bodies-medical-examiner-150707364.html).

Wow... shot in the head and still managed to run away.  She was tough.

Wake up people...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: flowers on August 28, 2015, 05:04:17 pm

Reuters just posted on Yahoo that Slain Virginia TV journalists shot both in head and body (http://news.yahoo.com/virginia-television-journalists-shot-heads-bodies-medical-examiner-150707364.html).

Wow... shot in the head and still managed to run away.  She was tough.

Wake up people...
In the video after the screen goes dark you can hear gunshots, maybe he shot them in the head as they lay on the ground?  I will say Dan I find it strange she gets shot 3 times and is still moving. I also find it strange if this was a conspiracy why not have the shooter a white tea party type guy?   
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: flowers on August 28, 2015, 05:06:16 pm
I also will say that I know dear hunters who shoot a deer in the chest and it can run for quite a ways.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 05:10:50 pm
In the video after the screen goes dark you can hear gunshots, maybe he shot them in the head as they lay on the ground?  I will say Dan I find it strange she gets shot 3 times and is still moving. I also find it strange if this was a conspiracy why not have the shooter a white tea party type guy?

She wasn't just moving, she was running away.  This forces you to add another rationalization to the list of what you saw that must be reconciled to what you are being told.  That was my point.

As for requiring a different scenario to qualify for conspiracy status... just add that rationalization to the list too...


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 05:14:20 pm
I also will say that I know dear hunters who shoot a deer in the chest and it can run for quite a ways.

Then she was the only one.  The camera man and the interviewee didn't run even after the shooting started.  That was the brother's point in the first video I posted.  He said he has been in and around gunfights and he said you don't run when you are shot in the chest and you don't wait around once the shooting starts.

Add that rationalization to the list too...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 05:15:10 pm
In the video after the screen goes dark you can hear gunshots, maybe he shot them in the head as they lay on the ground?  I will say Dan I find it strange she gets shot 3 times and is still moving. I also find it strange if this was a conspiracy why not have the shooter a white tea party type guy?

Good point.  Maybe Dan's wrong.  Maybe it is a conspiracy of homo hating right-wingers.  ^-^
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 05:24:07 pm
Good point.  Maybe Dan's wrong.  Maybe it is a conspiracy of homo hating right-wingers.  ^-^

Trick da black man on da down-lo agin, did dey?

I hate when dat happen...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: flowers on August 28, 2015, 05:30:02 pm
Why have the shooter a angry gay black man?  Much better to have white, tea party type.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 05:32:26 pm
Why have the shooter a angry gay black man?  Much better to have white, tea party type.

Actually... much, much better to have a white, tea-party type shoot black reporters on live TV... but there's always tomorrow...

Point being... once you start requiring certain scenarios before you will consider comparing what you can actually see vs what you are being told... you'll never see the obvious...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: flowers on August 28, 2015, 05:54:16 pm
TV gunman wore body armor and missed several times as he opened fire: Lone survivor who walked to an ambulance after being shot in the back describes horrific attack

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3214189/The-shooter-wore-body-armor-missed-times-walked-ambulance-New-details-horror-shooting-lone-survivor-escaped-death-centimeters.html

Quote
The sole survivor of Wednesday's disturbing on-air execution of two journalists in Virginia says she couldn't see the shooter approaching, because of the camera's lights, and that she was well enough to walk to the ambulance after suffering a gunshot wound in the back.

Vicki Gardner, the executive director of the Smith Mountain Lake Regional Chamber of Commerce, was being interviewed live by WDBJ reporter Alison Parker at approximately 6:45am that morning when shots rang out.

Parker and her cameraman Adam Ward were killed in the shooting, while gunman Vester Lee Flanagan II, a disgruntled former employee of the station who was fired two years ago, later committed suicide.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 05:56:38 pm
TV gunman wore body armor and missed several times as he opened fire: Lone survivor who walked to an ambulance after being shot in the back describes horrific attack

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3214189/The-shooter-wore-body-armor-missed-times-walked-ambulance-New-details-horror-shooting-lone-survivor-escaped-death-centimeters.html

If someone barges in and finishes this witness off I will believe Dan.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: flowers on August 28, 2015, 06:23:46 pm
When Will ABC News Release the Full Vester Flanagan Manifesto?

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/08/28/when-will-abc-release-full-vester-flanagan-manifesto/?print=1

Quote
Two days ago, ABC News reported that Vester Flanagan, the murderer of two WDBJ employees, sent a 23-page faxed manifesto to ABC News.  ABC reported bits and pieces of the manifesto.

Yet we still haven’t seen the full document.  ABC hasn’t made it available. Why?

John Nolte and others have been busy hammering away at the racial hypocrisy of many in the media after treating Flanagan’s crimes very differently from Dylann Roof’s.  Unquestionably, they were both racially motivated.  But you’d never know that from reading the headlines in the Washington Post or other mouthpieces that enable the (one way) racial grievance industry.

Some of them are particularly dishonest brokers when it comes to reporting on the racist motives of evil wrongdoers.  Nolte:

    A CBS report never mentioned the shooter’s racial comments at all. The piece did tiptoe around the shooter’s problems with race in two paragraphs, but never actually stated his race rhetoric seen in the explicit terms revealed in his manifesto.

    Then, a piece in the Chicago Tribune called the killer “off kilter” and “bizarre” but steered clear of fully reporting on his racist ideas.

    One reporter, The Washington Post’s Dave Weigel, even took to Twitter to wring his hands over the reporting of Flanagan’s racist manifesto, saying to Breitbart’s John Nolte, “Do you worry at all that the ‘race war’ story does what the killer wanted?”

    To be sure, Weigel was far less worried about stirring racial strife when he wrote a Bloomberg piece dissecting the racial motives of Charleston killer Dylann Roof.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 28, 2015, 06:24:17 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3213821/The-inoffensive-everyday-phrases-used-anchor-Alison-Parker-earned-death-sentence-Flanagan-deemed-racist.html?ito=social-facebook

The inoffensive everyday phrases used by reporter Alison Parker that earned her a death sentence because Flanagan deemed them 'racist'

    Parker used phrases like 'swinging' and 'field' while she interned at WDBJ
    Colleagues said they were commonplace, but Flanagan thought otherwise
    Staff said his assumptions were 'crazy' and he was a 'nightmare' coworker
    When someone brought a watermelon to work, he thought that was racist
    He believed the fruit was placed in a 'strategic location' to harass him 

By Wills Robinson For Dailymail.com

Published: 01:10 EST, 28 August 2015 | Updated: 06:11 EST, 28 August 2015



Innocuous phrases Alison Parker used every day to describe her job may have led to her death, simply because Vester Lee Flanagan thought they were racist.

The 24-year-old TV reporter who was shot and killed by the disgruntled ex-employee on Wednesday somehow angered him by using terms like 'swinging' by an address or going out into the 'field' while she was an intern at WDBJ.

It sheds further light on the murderer's erratic behavior, details of which have emerged since he callously gunned down Parker and cameraman Adam Ward live on breakfast TV.

Flanagan, 41, clashed repeatedly with photojournalists, belittling them in public and intimidating them with his aggressive and violent temper, before he was fired in 2013.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3213821/The-inoffensive-everyday-phrases-used-anchor-Alison-Parker-earned-death-sentence-Flanagan-deemed-racist.html#ixzz3k8SYhdrU

Title: Virginia On-Air Shooting: Survivor's Harrowing Tale of Facing Down Gunman
Post by: mystery-ak on August 28, 2015, 06:39:55 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-air-shooting-survivors-harrowing-tale-facing-gunman/story?id=33371882

Virginia On-Air Shooting: Survivor's Harrowing Tale of Facing Down Gunman
Aug 28, 2015, 7:15 AM ET
By TOM LIDDY and DAN GOOD

 The woman who survived the on-air shooting that left two journalists dead in Virginia earlier this week gave her husband a harrowing account of the fusillade.

Tim Gardner told ABC News that his wife, Vicki, the executive director of the Smith Mountain Lake Regional Chamber of Commerce, was able to walk to the ambulance herself even though she had a bullet in her back.

Vicki Gardner, who woke up from a medically induced coma Thursday afternoon after her second surgery, told her husband she could not see the shooter, allegedly Vester Lee Flanagan, approaching because of the lights of the camera.

continued
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 06:54:06 pm
Anyone on this forum who blindly trusts the media and believes everything they see on TV as Dan is accusing us all of, please stand up...



Anyone??



Someone???



No one?????




(That's what I thought.  Not a gullible fool among us.  Sorry, Dan.  Your conspiracy is what's foolish.  Not the rest of us).
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 07:02:15 pm
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The sole survivor of Wednesday's disturbing on-air execution of two journalists in Virginia says she couldn't see the shooter approaching, because of the camera's lights, and that she was well enough to walk to the ambulance after suffering a gunshot wound in the back.

Well, we know this is a lie because the video shows the camera man pointing his camera off the side of the walkway when the 'shooter' walks up directly in front of her.  When people start making excuses that can be easily proven wrong, you know somebody is trying to hold a larger story together.


TV gunman wore body armor and missed several times as he opened fire: Lone survivor who walked to an ambulance after being shot in the back describes horrific attack

According to the DM, this woman was shot seriously enough that she had to have a kidney and part of her colon removed... yet she could walk to the ambulance?  Kinda like the reporter shot 3 times in the chest with hollow-point bullets is able to run away?

Those are some tough women around them parts...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 07:03:44 pm
When Will ABC News Release the Full Vester Flanagan Manifesto?

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/08/28/when-will-abc-release-full-vester-flanagan-manifesto/?print=1

Yeah, that's the one he faxed from the FedEx office 2 hours into the 3 hour police pursuit...   :silly:

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: truth_seeker on August 28, 2015, 07:09:38 pm
Some brains do NOT have the wiring to grasp probabilities hooked up.

Therefore any events, from highly probable to highly improbable are equal to them.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 07:14:01 pm
If someone barges in and finishes this witness off I will believe Dan.

I spend all this time trying to teach you how to think for yourself and you say that under certain circumstances you will "believe Dan".

This is incredibly disappointing bk...


Title: Re: Virginia On-Air Shooting: Survivor's Harrowing Tale of Facing Down Gunman
Post by: truth_seeker on August 28, 2015, 07:50:17 pm
How did they arrange for the nurses, surgeons, husband, news bureau and the victim herself, to participate in the controversy?

Promise them all lifetime supplies of vaccine free "nut burgers" from "Build-a-burger?"
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2015, 08:04:25 pm
Three little words...."Line of Sight".

Does anybody here thing the full Manifesto that the media MAY release hasn't been edited/scrubbed?  You won't find anything in there that doesn't fit the Left's agenda.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: flowers on August 28, 2015, 08:10:54 pm
Three little words...."Line of Sight".

Does anybody here thing the full Manifesto that the media MAY release hasn't been edited/scrubbed?  You won't find anything in there that doesn't fit the Left's agenda.
To bad he didn't send it to the Daily Mail.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 08:12:40 pm
I spend all this time trying to teach you how to think for yourself and you say that under certain circumstances you will "believe Dan".

This is incredibly disappointing bk...

It was a joke Dan.  Should have left a smiley.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 08:15:03 pm
It was a joke Dan.  Should have left a smiley.

It didn't need a smiley.

The joke was self-evident.  :patriot:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 08:32:34 pm
It was a joke Dan.  Should have left a smiley.

Me too... shoulda used a /sarc tag...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: rangerrebew on August 28, 2015, 08:32:34 pm
- The PJ Tatler - http://pjmedia.com/tatler -
- The PJ Tatler - http://pjmedia.com/tatler -

When Will ABC News Release the Full Vester Flanagan Manifesto?

Posted By J. Christian Adams On August 28, 2015 @ 5:40 am In Politics | 39 Comments

Two days ago, ABC News reported that Vester Flanagan, the murderer of two WDBJ employees, sent a 23-page faxed manifesto to ABC News.  ABC reported bits and pieces of the manifesto.

Yet we still haven’t seen the full document.  ABC hasn’t made it available. Why?

John Nolte and others have been busy hammering away at the racial hypocrisy of many in the media after treating Flanagan’s crimes very differently from Dylann Roof’s.  Unquestionably, they were both racially motivated.  But you’d never know that from reading the headlines in the Washington Post or other mouthpieces that enable the (one way) racial grievance industry.

Some of them are particularly dishonest brokers when it comes to reporting on the racist motives of evil wrongdoers.  Nolte:

    A CBS report never mentioned the shooter’s racial comments at all. The piece did tiptoe around the shooter’s problems with race in two paragraphs, but never actually stated his race rhetoric seen in the explicit terms revealed in his manifesto.

    Then, a piece in the Chicago Tribune called the killer “off kilter” and “bizarre” but steered clear of fully reporting on his racist ideas.

    One reporter, The Washington Post’s Dave Weigel, even took to Twitter to wring his hands over the reporting of Flanagan’s racist manifesto, saying to Breitbart’s John Nolte, “Do you worry at all that the ‘race war’ story does what the killer wanted?”

    To be sure, Weigel was far less worried about stirring racial strife when he wrote a Bloomberg piece dissecting the racial motives of Charleston killer Dylann Roof.

It’s understandable, perhaps, that some of them simply lack the courage to confront evil motives in whatever color they come.  Others have been conditioned to believe that racial wrongdoing is a one-way street.  The worst are handmaidens of the ethnic front groups who view racial strife as the means to power and cash.  But no race is free from racially motivated bad actors.

Until ABC News releases the full text of Flanagan’s hate manifesto, the public won’t get the full story of what motivated and animated him.  Perhaps that provides a clue as to what might be in it and why ABC News, so far, has decided to hide the manifesto.
 
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: ABX on August 28, 2015, 09:01:29 pm
Considering they haven't, there must be a lot in there that doesn't fit the narrative they want to create.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a yet discovered copy somewhere on the web. Someone like him would most likely blog or rant on forums. Maybe a deep dive at DU would turn up something.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Paladin on August 28, 2015, 10:15:24 pm
Ok, the article explained one of them, because I didn't have a clue.

"'We would say stuff like, "The reporter's out in the field." And he would look at us and say, "What are you saying, cotton fields? That's racist".'

I am still left wondering about "swinging", however. Anyone know or can give an educated guess? Was it something sexual given his past as a male prostitute?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: ABX on August 28, 2015, 10:17:12 pm
Ok, the article explained one of them, because I didn't have a clue.

"'We would say stuff like, "The reporter's out in the field." And he would look at us and say, "What are you saying, cotton fields? That's racist".'

I am still left wondering about "swinging", however. Anyone know or can give an educated guess? Was it something sexual given his past as a male prostitute?

Maybe related to 'swingers'? I don't know if that is a term in gay circles like it is in straight ones. (and I'm not about to Google 'gay, swingers' to find out).
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 10:19:25 pm
Ok, the article explained one of them, because I didn't have a clue.

"'We would say stuff like, "The reporter's out in the field." And he would look at us and say, "What are you saying, cotton fields? That's racist".'

I am still left wondering about "swinging", however. Anyone know or can give an educated guess? Was it something sexual given his past as a male prostitute?

Lynchings?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 10:22:41 pm
How did this guy ever get hired in the first place?  Was he really the best they could do for EEOC?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 28, 2015, 10:23:09 pm
The shooter claimed to have used hollow points. We don't know for a fact that he did.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 28, 2015, 10:36:58 pm
The shooter claimed to have used hollow points. We don't know for a fact that he did.

That's true... we don't know for a fact that anyone got shot at all... some believe that they did because they believe the media when it says they did...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 28, 2015, 10:45:23 pm
Whatever. Do you also believe there was no attack on Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 10:47:09 pm
That's true... we don't know for a fact that anyone got shot at all... some believe that they did because they believe the media when it says they did...

Or that anyone walked on the moon of course.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mystery-ak on August 28, 2015, 10:49:22 pm
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,178707.msg705063.html#msg705063
Virginia On-Air Shooting: Survivor's Harrowing Tale of Facing Down Gunman

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Tim Gardner told ABC News that his wife, Vicki, the executive director of the Smith Mountain Lake Regional Chamber of Commerce, was able to walk to the ambulance herself even though she had a bullet in her back.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 11:01:02 pm
Whatever. Do you also believe there was no attack on Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941?


I'll bet he thinks that no plane flew into the Pentagon on 9/11 and that Bush caused the WTC to collapse too......
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 28, 2015, 11:02:01 pm
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,178707.msg705063.html#msg705063
Virginia On-Air Shooting: Survivor's Harrowing Tale of Facing Down Gunman

btw, he seems to be a strong proponent of the 2nd Amendment.

Guess he didn't get the memo about the hoax thing before he found out his wife almost died.........
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 28, 2015, 11:12:55 pm

I'll bet he thinks that no plane flew into the Pentagon on 9/11 and that Bush caused the WTC to collapse too......

I remember that.  People (and not only on the left) were claiming there was no plane flown into the Pentagon.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 29, 2015, 12:53:36 am
I remember that.  People (and not only on the left) were claiming there was no plane flown into the Pentagon.

Remember that extremists think THAT was a government hoax too.


And that all the people who died on that flight were just hidden away somewhere by the government.

Like Barbara Olsen..........

(Nutcases, IMO.....)
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 29, 2015, 01:04:09 am
Remember that extremists think THAT was a government hoax too.


And that all the people who died on that flight were just hidden away somewhere by the government.

Like Barbara Olsen..........

(Nutcases, IMO.....)

Yes....Barbara Olsen was one of the best..Her story I think has yet to be told if if ever will be.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on August 29, 2015, 02:13:32 am
Ok, the article explained one of them, because I didn't have a clue.

"'We would say stuff like, "The reporter's out in the field." And he would look at us and say, "What are you saying, cotton fields? That's racist".'

I am still left wondering about "swinging", however. Anyone know or can give an educated guess? Was it something sexual given his past as a male prostitute?

"I'm going to need that tape by 8PM...We'll be at Hamburger Hamlet...Swing by..."

Whatchoo mean???   Like the monkey you think I am, etc..  Are you calling me a monkey, Beyotch?

It's really easy.

And then "working out in the field".....She referred to all the crews and people thereon, as working the field if you're out and about the city for live shots.

He thought that was racist...somebody white telling him he's "in the field".

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

But I gotta admit....the watermelon went too far. 

Come on, man!   Really?   Watermelon  ??? 

 :silly: :silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 29, 2015, 02:32:37 am
Yes....Barbara Olsen was one of the best..Her story I think has yet to be told if if ever will be.

But according to the conspiracy kooks, Barbara isn't dead.  The government just has her hidden somewhere.

I'll bet Ted doesn't think that. **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 29, 2015, 08:00:51 pm
Whatever. Do you also believe there was no attack on Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941?

Whatever.  Do you also believe that the Reichstag fire was set by the communists because the Nazis said it was?

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 29, 2015, 08:04:10 pm
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Tim Gardner told ABC News that his wife, Vicki, the executive director of the Smith Mountain Lake Regional Chamber of Commerce, was able to walk to the ambulance herself even though she had a bullet in her back.

Those are some tough women...  One ran away after 3 hollow-point bullets to the chest requiring a shot to the head to finish her off.  The other walked to the ambulance after taking a shot in the back that required the removal of a kidney and part of her colon.

The only wimp was the guy who fell down immediately and died on the spot...    :silly:


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 29, 2015, 08:12:41 pm

Slain Reporter's Father Fears For His Safety As He Takes Up Gun Control Activism (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/andy-parker-gun-control-alison-parker_55e0af1be4b0b7a96338e827)

""I don't own a gun. We don't have a gun in our family," Parker said. "I'm probably going to have to get one. Sad to say, but I -- unfortunately, that's just the world we live in.""

So... the guy pushing gun-control thinks he needs a gun to protect himself... but you don't...

He also styles himself as the 'John Walsh' of the gun-control movement.  How heroic...     :silly:


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 29, 2015, 08:17:30 pm
 
Police Order BBC Journalists To Delete Footage Of Virginia Shooter’s Car Crash (http://www.activistpost.com/2015/08/police-order-bbc-journalists-to-delete-footage-of-virginia-shooters-car-crash.html?utm_content=buffer3492b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)

"BBC journalists Franz Strasser and Tara McKelvey were reporting from the scene of the crash when one of the officers approached the pair and ordered them to delete their footage. “Just at the scene of the suspects [sic] shooting on I-66. Police told me to delete footage or lose camera,” Strasser tweeted. “Reason for confiscating camera was that it was evidence. Threatened to tow the car because it was illegally parked,” he said in a follow-up tweet about an hour later."

Now why would the police insist on deleting 'evidence' if everything is as you are being told.

Reason?  Because it doesn't fit the narrative you are being fed...      :silly:


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: flowers on August 31, 2015, 08:17:12 pm
EXCLUSIVE: Virginia killer Vester Lee Flanagan wrote letters to rant about lack of sex and his days as gay escort

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/exclusive-virginia-killer-wrote-notes-sex-life-article-1.2342431

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Vester Lee Flanagan lamented shortly before gunning down two journalists on live TV that his glory days as a $2,000-a-night male escort were behind him, stunning new documents reveal.

The typed and handwritten letters, as well as photographs, driver’s licenses and student IDs, were shown to the Daily News by one of Flanagan’s close friends, Robert Avent, who says he spoke to the calm and collected killer moments before he committed suicide as cops closed in on him last Wednesday.

The notes provide a new window into the megalomaniacal madman’s mental state as he made the decision to exact revenge for an unsuccessful career filled with perceived racial slights.

LUPICA: ANDY PARKER TAKES ON AMERICA'S SHAME -- GUN VIOLENCE

In the stream-of-consciousness-style letters Flanagan, 41, is alternately cheery, reflective, apologetic for any hurt he caused Avent and eager to reveal the “raw truth” that racist gunman Dylann Roof’s massacre of nine black churchgoers inspired his own decision to kill.

“I do NOT wanna get old ... HELL NO!!!” Flanagan wrote.

“Please keep working out player ... when the heads stop turning, it’s AWFUL!!!”

Avent, who is straight, said he was not any part of Flanagan’s life as an escort.

“He didn’t hit on me. We were just friends and roommates. I didn’t participate in any of that,” Avent told The News.

Flanagan, apparently obsessed about his fading looks, recalled his life as a sex worker in the package to Avent.

'WE ARE NO LONGER A CIVILIZED NATION': PARENTS OF SLAIN REPORTER ALISON PARKER BARE ANGUISH, ANGER AT DAUGHTER'S GUN DEATH

“I totally CANNOT score right now ...,” Flanagan wrote. “And this is from a man who used to be paid hundreds an HOUR to sleep with men...one was a hot YOUNG guy in SF...he once asked, ‘Can I f--- you?’ He offered to give me $1,000...I playfully said, ‘No.’ Well, he gave me 2k.”
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on August 31, 2015, 08:23:07 pm
What a sick man.......
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on August 31, 2015, 09:52:17 pm
But banning guns is the solution ...

 :thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on August 31, 2015, 11:26:51 pm
 
Is The Virginia Shooting Hoax Blowing Up In The MSM’s Face? (http://www.activistpost.com/2015/08/is-the-virginia-shooting-hoax-blowing-up-in-the-msms-face.html)

"The latest discovery is that Alison Parker’s alleged fiancé Chris Hurst, who has only eight social media photos of him with Alison, is probably just her “TV” boyfriend. A guy named Daniel Wulz has been outed by facial recognition as her real-world boyfriend."

Watch the videos.

That Andy Parker is quite an actor... except that he can't cry on-cue...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: bkepley on August 31, 2015, 11:36:49 pm

Is The Virginia Shooting Hoax Blowing Up In The MSM’s Face? (http://www.activistpost.com/2015/08/is-the-virginia-shooting-hoax-blowing-up-in-the-msms-face.html)

"The latest discovery is that Alison Parker’s alleged fiancé Chris Hurst, who has only eight social media photos of him with Alison, is probably just her “TV” boyfriend. A guy named Daniel Wulz has been outed by facial recognition as her real-world boyfriend."

Watch the videos.

That Andy Parker is quite an actor... except that he can't cry on-cue...

Today a man was convicted for murder who can prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt (in his mind) that the Jews are the one's you should fear.  What do you think?
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on September 01, 2015, 02:22:32 am
What a sick man.......

Yes.  He certainly had issues.

Guess there's nothing worse than a temperamental African-American Queen going through a mid-life crisis.   :whistle: 

They're burying the fact that the murders were racially motivated...and building up the crazy gay psycho persona.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: mountaineer on September 01, 2015, 01:13:37 pm
He Fires Two Shots at Her So She Curls Up in a Ball and Prays. After the Third She Hears…
By Amanda Ghessie (2 days ago) | Culture
IJ Review (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/407190-fires-two-shots-curls-ball-prays-third-hears/?author=ag&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=crime&utm_term=ijamerica)


When Tim Gardner turned on the news Wednesday morning he may have been prepared to see his wife’s face on camera. But, he by no means anticipated witnessing the terrifying moment when a gunman opened fire on live TV.

Now, he’s speaking out about what his wife, Vicki Gardner, experienced on that tragic day as she was being interviewed on WDBJ: “He [Vester Lee Flanagan] shot three times at my wife and she was trying to dodge everything,” Tim tells ABC 7. “He missed twice and then she dove to the ground and curled up in a ball.”

Vicki’s colleague, Troy Keaton, relays that as Vicki was hunched in a ball on the ground, she prayed. Then, Flanagan shot again. This time, the bullet hit her in the back, grazing her spine.

Apparently, he tried to shoot several more times, but the gun misfired and she heard it clicking. When Vicki realized she was safe, she walked to an ambulance with the bullet in her back and called her husband:   “When she called me she told me she had been shot in the back and that she was lucky to be alive,” Tim tells CNN.

Vicki has already undergone two surgeries for her injuries. Though the road to recovery will be long, she is incredibly thankful that she survived:  “’I know Vicki,’ says Keaton. ‘She’s going to make something good out of this.’”

As we continue to pray for Vicki Gardner’s speedy recovery, we also keep the family and friends of Alison Parker and Adam Ward in our thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on September 01, 2015, 01:34:31 pm
Now, he’s speaking out about what his wife, Vicki Gardner, experienced on that tragic day as she was being interviewed on WDBJ: “He [Vester Lee Flanagan] shot three times at my wife and she was trying to dodge everything,” Tim tells ABC 7. “He missed twice and then she dove to the ground and curled up in a ball.”

With all that shooting at her, you would think the gunman would remember how many people he shot.

Yet he called his friend and said that he killed 2 people... not 3... (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216957/When-heads-stop-turning-s-AWFUL-TV-gunman-complained-lack-sex-lamented-glory-days-2-000-night-prostitute-suicide-letter.html)

"'And he said, "I shot and killed two people." Just like that, in a normal voice,' Avent said."

How did he know that he didn't kill Vicki?  Maybe he was watching the news as he fled?

Let the rationalization begin...

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on September 01, 2015, 01:38:01 pm
With all that shooting at her, you would think the gunman would remember how many people he shot.

Yet he called his friend and said that he killed 2 people... not 3... (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216957/When-heads-stop-turning-s-AWFUL-TV-gunman-complained-lack-sex-lamented-glory-days-2-000-night-prostitute-suicide-letter.html)

"'And he said, "I shot and killed two people." Just like that, in a normal voice,' Avent said."

How did he know that he didn't kill Vicki?  Maybe he was watching the news as he fled?

Let the rationalization begin...

Look like you're the only one that needs to do a little "rationalization", Dan!       :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on September 01, 2015, 01:39:24 pm
He Fires Two Shots at Her So She Curls Up in a Ball and Prays. After the Third She Hears…
By Amanda Ghessie (2 days ago) | Culture
IJ Review (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/407190-fires-two-shots-curls-ball-prays-third-hears/?author=ag&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=crime&utm_term=ijamerica)


When Tim Gardner turned on the news Wednesday morning he may have been prepared to see his wife’s face on camera. But, he by no means anticipated witnessing the terrifying moment when a gunman opened fire on live TV.

Now, he’s speaking out about what his wife, Vicki Gardner, experienced on that tragic day as she was being interviewed on WDBJ: “He [Vester Lee Flanagan] shot three times at my wife and she was trying to dodge everything,” Tim tells ABC 7. “He missed twice and then she dove to the ground and curled up in a ball.”

Vicki’s colleague, Troy Keaton, relays that as Vicki was hunched in a ball on the ground, she prayed. Then, Flanagan shot again. This time, the bullet hit her in the back, grazing her spine.

Apparently, he tried to shoot several more times, but the gun misfired and she heard it clicking. When Vicki realized she was safe, she walked to an ambulance with the bullet in her back and called her husband:   “When she called me she told me she had been shot in the back and that she was lucky to be alive,” Tim tells CNN.

Vicki has already undergone two surgeries for her injuries. Though the road to recovery will be long, she is incredibly thankful that she survived:  “’I know Vicki,’ says Keaton. ‘She’s going to make something good out of this.’”

As we continue to pray for Vicki Gardner’s speedy recovery, we also keep the family and friends of Alison Parker and Adam Ward in our thoughts and prayers.

I can't imagine the terror in this woman's heart as she lay on the ground, shot.

btw, her husband believes strongly in the 2nd amendment, and has spoken out about it.

Guess he missed the memo about the 'hoax.'   :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on September 01, 2015, 01:40:10 pm
Look like you're the only one that needs to do a little "rationalization", Dan!       :laugh:

Wow.  Ain't that the truth.  I've never seen such 'dug in' rationalization anywhere!   :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: GourmetDan on September 01, 2015, 01:57:52 pm
Look like you're the only one that needs to do a little "rationalization", Dan!       :laugh:

Actually, I'm the only one pointing out how the actual statements don't match the facts and therefore require rationalization.  You must rationalize how Flanagan knew he didn't kill 3 people... but that only 2 were 'dead'...

                                 (http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/GourmetDan/means_zps4a55d6f8.jpg)

Title: Pittsburgh TV reporter shot with paintgun while doing live shot
Post by: mountaineer on September 03, 2015, 11:32:21 am
From a "TV insider" type of website:
Quote
Pittsburgh Reporter Shot with Paintball Gun
September 01, 2015/   Scott Jones   


Yesterday, FTVLive told you that a new crew from WPXI in Pittsburgh was shot at by some idiot(s) with a paintball gun.

Sources tell FTVLive that the Reporter hit in paintball attack was Jennifer Tomazic (pictured). The Photographer who was with her was Moe Jetter. Word is that Jetter quickly intervened alerting Jennifer it was a paintball that she was hit with.

Our source says that initially, Tomazic did not know what hit her. She was heard over her mic in the control room: "I'm hit, I'm hit." She had just raised the microphone to give a mic check when the shots came from a passing car around 4:30 a.m. moments before a Pittsburgh schools back-to-school story.

Since the attack, WPXI management has made some policy changes.  Live shots are now per the Reporter and Photographer's judgment call. There is now a no-knock policy on doors that has also been implemented.

Interestingly, WPXI has made no mention of the paintball incident, either on the air, or on their website.

Now, you could argue that the station is not mentioning the attack as to stop some copycat, but the station covered 3 other attacks ( No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3) in the past on people that were not affiliated with the station.

It seems that if you are going to cover the others, it seems you should do the same when it involves your station.
FTVLive (http://www.ftvlive.com/todays-news/2015/9/1/pittsburgh-reporter-shot-with-paintball-gun), with photo and internal links.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: Paladin on September 07, 2015, 05:30:29 am
Ok, the article explained one of them, because I didn't have a clue.

"'We would say stuff like, "The reporter's out in the field." And he would look at us and say, "What are you saying, cotton fields? That's racist".'

I am still left wondering about "swinging", however. Anyone know or can give an educated guess? Was it something sexual given his past as a male prostitute?

Ok, got it and the explanation is as nutty as his claim about going out into the field.

Per Jim Goad at "Taki Magazine".

"He was also certain that when they referred to “swinging by” a residence to cover a story, this was an obvious allusion to lynching."

Congratulations to BKKepley who guessed (?) it was related to "lynching". (pg 11, post #258)


Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: DCPatriot on September 07, 2015, 10:13:49 am
Ok, got it and the explanation is as nutty as his claim about going out into the field.

Per Jim Goad at "Taki Magazine".

"He was also certain that when they referred to “swinging by” a residence to cover a story, this was an obvious allusion to lynching."

Congratulations to BKKepley who guessed (?) it was related to "lynching". (pg 11, post #258)

Disagree.

IMO, it's more a mode of transportation chimpanzees use in a jungle.  They swing on vines from tree to tree so that they can escape predators.

Now if they told him "We're just going to hang around the office....."    :whistle:

Title: Re: BREAKING: Shooting during live TV report in Virginia; reporter and cameraman dead
Post by: musiclady on September 08, 2015, 12:22:14 am
Adam Ward was a huge Virginia Tech Hokies fan, and tonight at the Ohio State game (GO BUCKEYES!!) they are doing a tribute to the slain cameraman.

Hundreds attended his funeral, and his parents wore Hokie colors,  and Adam, himself, had a Va Tech hat on.....

http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/roanoke/hundreds-crowd-funeral-for-adam-ward-hear-of-his-joy/article_eee9ab47-f19a-5b1a-9c2f-6d436dc1f555.html (http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/roanoke/hundreds-crowd-funeral-for-adam-ward-hear-of-his-joy/article_eee9ab47-f19a-5b1a-9c2f-6d436dc1f555.html)

How sad that this fine young man was killed by a maniac.

(And he IS dead).