While I'm hoping we get some rain out of this, I'm also hoping that it doesn't stall out and dump so much rain that it causes major flooding... :0001:
While I'm hoping we get some rain out of this, I'm also hoping that it doesn't stall out and dump so much rain that it causes major flooding... :0001:
While I'm hoping we get some rain out of this, I'm also hoping that it doesn't stall out and dump so much rain that it causes major flooding... :0001:Well, I need my stock tanks full, so let it rain.
Harvey to Threaten Western Gulf Coast as a Tropical Storm or Hurricane, Then Will Dump Flooding Rain in Texas, Louisiana
https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/tropical-storm-hurricane-harvey-gulf-of-mexico-forecast
Aug 23 2017 08:15 AM EDT
The remnants of what was once Tropical Storm Harvey will become a tropical storm or hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico and will bring dangerous flooding rain to areas near the Texas and Louisiana Gulf Coast into the weekend or early next week.
Right now, clusters of showers and thunderstorms in the southwestern Gulf of Mexico are becoming more organized, and at least a tropical depression appears to be forming....
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I'm afraid that with the position of those two highs, Harvey could stall out on top of us like Allison and Claudette did. I remember with Claudette, the high was northeast of us. Claudette hit us three times bouncing against that high before it finally left the area.
I do NOT like the looks of this.Me neither, and I am about as far from a coast as you can get.
The folks in Meyerland are holding their breath. Where I live, it's highly unlikely that my home will flood, but I won't be able to leave the house because of the street flooding. I hope it doesn't live up to the projected possibilities, but having been through enough of them to understand their effects, I'm getting prepared for five days of rain.
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Tropical Storm Harvey Intermediate Advisory Number 15A
Looking at the radar, this suckers is strengthening rapidly. South Texas Briefers, I'd be preparing rapidly for a possible Cat 2 or 3 storm. Still forecasted as a 1 but this trend is alarming, and I think the models are understating this. (Though I do think the GFS has it as a 3) Hellacious rains are going to slam the rest of us, who are near the coast. Last storm was Ike, 8 years ago, and we are out of practice dealing with this.
NHS already stating expecting 25 inches in some spots. Yikes. Also, the relatively reliable HWRF Model has it as a near Cat 3 storm -952 mb , winds to 110 mph
@mystery-ak
Just my thoughts. Why don't we just keep one ongoing Harvey thread?
Harvey gains momentum, could be bigger hurricane threatening one-third of US refining capacity
Patti Domm | Published 18 Hours Ago | Updated 5 Mins Ago
Here in Corpus Christi, they are predicting a 6-ft storm surge.
Note: Another thread now above the line.
Texas: Tropical Storm Harvey Public Advisory
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,278279.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,278279.0.html)
@mystery-ak
Previous thread with ongoing discussion
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,278093.msg1429522.html#msg1429522
Are you logged in?
I'm unable to open it. Either by clicking here or by going to the home page and clicking on the specified link. :shrug: HELP!
Why doesn't Trump care about Texans? Shouldn't he be there already?
Why doesn't Trump care about Texans? Shouldn't he be there already?
When designing a refinery sited in hurricane territory with history of winds, storm surges, flooding etc., wouldn't it be prudent to provide for the known extreme conditions?
When designing a refinery sited in hurricane territory with history of winds, storm surges, flooding etc., wouldn't it be prudent to provide for the known extreme conditions?
Okay...@AllThatJazzZ....that link doesn't exist anymore...as I merged two threads...use the one in the header
Why doesn't Trump care about Texans? Shouldn't he be there already?
@mystery-ak
I still can't open the one on the first page above the fold.
@Elderberry I'm stuned that you'd think I wasn't logged in. Check out my attached graphic for proof. :tongue2:
We need the rain bad but the Guadalupe/Comal basin here is prone to major flooding if it were to stall out here. I'm pretty high up here, 978 as opposed to -6 in my previous residence (nawlins) but I've seen major flood damage 2 blocks away many times since I moved here in 91.
DNC and the media already colluding on how to pin this on Trump.
Praying for you and all my Texas family. The are on lake Conroe. I have seen pictures of the water up to their back porch but it has never gone higher. I hope it holds this time as well. Harvey forcasted to be a cat 3 by landfall.
I live in an area of the map where red touches orange so it looks like I'm gonna get a lot of much needed rain over the next few days.
I hope everyone in the area weathers the storm without too much trouble.
Guess I'd better get ready for 4$/gallon gas. All you Texas briefers stay safe!
The only good thing out of this would be if Trump acts to allow more refinery construction and to retool the aging ones we already have. Spreading our refining capacity over a larger geographic area (with new construction) couldn't hurt either.
Praying for you and all my Texas family. The are on lake Conroe. I have seen pictures of the water up to their back porch but it has never gone higher. I hope it holds this time as well. Harvey forcasted to be a cat 3 by landfall.
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As the moderator of the Texas board, I am removing this comment as off-topic, inflammatory and stupid.
Here in Corpus Christi, they are predicting a 6-ft storm surge.
My weather app says they're evacuation some areas along the coast.
I know it's not news to you, but that's the most deadly aspect of these stinking storms. Please take every precaution!
We're under a storm surge warning too. Although we're right on the coast (Galveston County), our predicted storm surge is not as threatening as yours.
(@mystery-ak I made it! Thanks for tweaking stuff.)
Holy smokes!!!! Hurricane Hunter plane has found 88kt (96 mph) winds in the NE quadrant. Hold on to your hat.
Wow, this storm seems to be ramping up much quicker and stronger than they had predicted it would!
Yep, hate to throw "C" 's at everyone but this one is conjuring up visions of Carla and Celia.
Holy smokes!!!! Hurricane Hunter plane has found 88kt (96 mph) winds in the NE quadrant. Hold on to your hat. I expect that next full advisory NHC will deem it a Cat 2.
12 noon intermeidate advisory has it as 80 mph Cat 1.
Yep, hate to throw "C" 's at everyone but this one is conjuring up visions of Carla and Celia.
The only good news is that the weather guys tend to hyper-hype events like this. Let's hope that holds true.
Agreed. I really think the 24 hour news cycle has done more harm in hyping than good in protecting. The Weather channel has become the biggest joke on cable TV.
One of the funniest onsite storm coverage I have ever seen was during Rita. Storm reporter was acting (pre-storm) like the wind was bending himself over Cantore style. As he was performing his antics a citizen walked behind him walking his dog and started laughing.
Holy smokes!!!! Hurricane Hunter plane has found 88kt (96 mph) winds in the NE quadrant. Hold on to your hat. I expect that next full advisory NHC will deem it a Cat 2.Now saying could be cat 4 at landfall and may not weaken much within 24 hours after landfall as it won't move very much after landfall
12 noon intermeidate advisory has it as 80 mph Cat 1.
Flexibility training came in handy for the job! LOL
Just for informational purposes you should be aware that storms hitting the Texas gulf coast almost always make a more northward turn before moving inland. This is due to friction as the storm begins to interact with the land mass.
You can look at the actual track of any storm you wish at the link below.
https://coast.noaa.gov/hurricanes/?redirect=301ocm
Now saying could be cat 4 at landfall and may not weaken much within 24 hours after landfall as it won't move very much after landfall
Next QPF model run will shock people (prediction).
The only good news is that the weather guys tend to hyper-hype events like this.
Cat 10! We are all gonna die!888ohnoes
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Seriously, I bet we see 30- 40 inch 7 day projections in spots. Of course weathermen have been wrong huh?
I'd rather they over-hype it. I really hate when things are much worse than they were projected to be. I can deal with over-preparing. This is probably because I nearly made a couple of costly decisions in my younger years, but I went what I considered over and above just to ease my parents' fears. Thank God! If I hadn't, I might not be typing this post right now. And, yes, I had to admit to my parents that they were right. < sigh >
Next QPF model run will shock people (prediction).
I don't mind telling you that this is getting nerve-wracking to me. Whoever mentioned Carla and Celia might have been prescient. Was that you?
At first, we thought this was going to be another Alison, which was bad enough.http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT4+shtml/241805.shtml?
Now, it seems like Alison on Steroids.
This is starting to get serious.
Last I saw was a Cat 3 prediction and moving slightly up the coast from the 7:00 am prediction.
Should be another advisory now, since it is past 1:00 pm central.
I am in Sugar Land, southwest of Houston.
I usually don't get flooded, but I can't go anywhere.
I have to somehow make it around the addicks reservoir issue to get to work.
I usually can't get into North Katy for a while.
Lost a turbo vent and on side of my backyard fence during IKE in 2008, and felt pretty lucky.
Riding out a major hurricane is not something you want to experience.
At first, we thought this was going to be another Alison, which was bad enough.
Now, it seems like Alison on Steroids.
This is starting to get serious.
Last I saw was a Cat 3 prediction and moving slightly up the coast from the 7:00 am prediction.
Should be another advisory now, since it is past 1:00 pm central.
I am in Sugar Land, southwest of Houston.
I usually don't get flooded, but I can't go anywhere.
I have to somehow make it around the addicks reservoir issue to get to work.
I usually can't get into North Katy for a while.
Lost a turbo vent and on side of my backyard fence during IKE in 2008, and felt pretty lucky.
Yeah, but citing was those storms was a little over the top. I think this storm has that capability, but that obviously is not for certain. Best thing is to prepare, and get out if necessary. In my prior working life I was a SHE Mgr. at a petrochemical facility, and part of my responsibilities was supervising emergency management operations, and advisement to plant manager.
Riding out a major hurricane is not something you want to experience.
It was a lot more fun when I was younger and stupid, that's for sure.
Sure was. I have a picture of our hurricane supplies somewhere.
You mean I wasn't the only 20 something Texan yelling "Hurricane Party"?
You mean I wasn't the only 20 something Texan yelling "Hurricane Party"?
Not during Alicia, you weren't!
I rode out Alicia at my sister's. When the eye came over, we went out to check on a neighbor's dog.
I rode out Alicia at my sister's. When the eye came over, we went out to check on a neighbor's dog. They were out of town. The dog was OK, just scared. Its dog house had blown over and into the chain link fence. there was about 6 inches of water in the yard and the dog rode it out under the dog house. It was very eerie going out in the eye.
Updated to a CAT 3.
@thackney you got that flood prevention system set up?
No, we don't expect the Brazos River to rise 50 ft. It is at a near low now.
Texas coastal residents urged to leave in 'strongest possible terms' as Hurricane Harvey intensifies in the Gulf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-coastal-residents-urged-leave-strongest-terms-hurricane/story?id=49401529
Hurricanes...another reason why living in West Texas was/is the safer option. :tongue2:
I hate hearing that. My dogs will NEVER be separated from me in an emergency. I'd rather ride it out and hope for the best than leave my dogs. It breaks my heart to think of how frightened that dog must have been. :nometalk:
I rode out Alicia at my sister's. When the eye came over, we went out to check on a neighbor's dog. They were out of town. The dog was OK, just scared. Its dog house had blown over and into the chain link fence. there was about 6 inches of water in the yard and the dog rode it out under the dog house. It was very eerie going out in the eye.
15 inches of rain. Holy shit.
15 inches of snow is a shit show. Stay safe.
The rainfall shown below is the initial, not total expected. We are in Brazoria County.
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The rainfall shown below is the initial, not total expected. We are in Brazoria County.
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This was just a few years ago. 20 times 3!
You're in Brazoria, and I'm in Ft. Bend.
Hallelujah.
Can't tell you how much I hate seeing this, especially since I'm smack in the deep purple area. I can almost see my house.
8888crybaby
I live in Walker County right on the line between 6-8 and 8-10.
I lived near Ellington/Clear Lake then.
We got about 1 inch of water throughout the house.
We figured it would be worse, so we prepared by putting everything up that we could.
Lost the carpet and a bunch of yellow pages phone books!
The eye came over us, too.
I'm up on the 3" line. Thankfully.
I live in Walker County right on the line between 6-8 and 8-10.Did you ever eat at the New Zion Missionary Baptist Church Barbeque in Huntsville?
You mean I wasn't the only 20 something Texan yelling "Hurricane Party"?
Did you ever eat at the New Zion Missionary Baptist Church Barbeque in Huntsville?
The storm's surge could be life threatening, up to 10 feet, with waves as high as 20 feet above that. Rain is expected to range from 10 to 20 inches, and some areas could receive up to 30 inches. Perilous flash flooding and 115 mph gusts are possible.
"Harvey is expected to landfall around 1 a.m. Saturday, based on the current track," ABC News meteorologist Melissa Griffin said, adding that more time over water could increase the storm's strength. "If it had another day or two, it could be a higher category."
The storm is being compared with not only Hurricane Bret but also the devastating Tropical Storm Allison, which in 2001 punished Houston with 40 inches of rain.
The biggest worry with Hurricane Harvey is that it's expected to stall over southeast Texas, Griffin said.
"When it does make landfall, it is expected to ... not move for several days, which is why we expect the rainfall to be the most devastating," Griffin said. "Some spots could receive over 30 inches."
At a press conference Thursday afternoon, Corpus Chisti's newly elected Mayor Joe McComb told residents not to dismiss Harvey and to heed requests for voluntary evacuations.
"We encourage the residents in low-lying areas as they say, 'to get out of Dodge,'" the mayor said.
McComb stressed that flooding alone could cut off electricity and water from homes in the area. "Go to a family, friend and get to higher ground," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/harvey-expected-make-landfall-major-hurricane/story?id=49397270
I used to fish in that little lake up your way from time to time.
I haven't had time to try it, but will do so when it cools off a bit.
My dogs will be at my side no matter what. We may get a lot of rain but at an elevation where we won't flood. My doggies HATE rain so it may be a bad few days for them.
It's all fun up until the point that you lose power.Especially since it's usually August or September when we get hit.
Only a few hundred times! Unfortunately it is no longer what it once was. The original pitmaster retired and his replacement isn't a pimple so to speak.Been quite while since I've been there, myself.
Especially since it's usually August or September when we get hit.
Let not forget our little friends, the mosquitoes, which will be EVERYWHERE a few days later....
4:00 pm update coming.....
Been quite while since I've been there, myself.
4:00 pm update coming.....
Got potty pads? Mine are bound to get desperate enough to have to resort to them.
Good luck to all in the path of this weather, can I be the first here to bring up AGW? You all live in some interesting and beautiful parts of America, but despite our lunatic government here in California I think disaster wise, I will stick with the occasional earthquake and flood over massive flood, hurricane and tornado! May all affected and their families come through.
At first, we thought this was going to be another Alison, which was bad enough.
Now, it seems like Alison on Steroids.
This is starting to get serious.
Last I saw was a Cat 3 prediction and moving slightly up the coast from the 7:00 am prediction.
Should be another advisory now, since it is past 1:00 pm central.
I am in Sugar Land, southwest of Houston.
I usually don't get flooded, but I can't go anywhere.
I have to somehow make it around the addicks reservoir issue to get to work.
I usually can't get into North Katy for a while.
Lost a turbo vent and on side of my backyard fence during IKE in 2008, and felt pretty lucky.
Good luck to all in the path of this weather, can I be the first here to bring up AGW? You all live in some interesting and beautiful parts of America, but despite our lunatic government here in California I think disaster wise, I will stick with the occasional earthquake and flood over massive flood, hurricane and tornado! May all affected and their families come through safely.
After Rita my lower extremeties looked like measles after all the Fire Ant Bites. Post storm, they apparently have homing devices toward anything dry. Brutal....
We generally get plenty of warning. You get basically none! I think I will stick with the storms!Human nature, we are all more comfortable with what we know.
Hmmmmm......
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It's full of my favorite fish. Crappie.
They'll always be a special place in my heart and a blank space in my mind about Addicks Reservoir, dropped a lot of acid in the late 60's there. Fireworks fights on the 4th of July were the best too. @GrouchoTex
The fillet mignon of Sunfishes.
I drive it 2 times a day (weather permitting)
PARTS OF BRAZORIA COUNTY UNDER MANDATORY EVACUATION ORDERS.
MANDATORY EVACUATION:
Aransas Pass - Mandatory evacuation order issued
Brazoria County - Mandatory evacuation order issued for coastal communities along the Gulf side of the Intracoastal Waterway
Calhoun County - Mandatory evacuation order issued
Matagorda County - Everyone south of FM521 is included in the mandatory evacuation order, including the communities of Palacios, Collegeport, Matagorda, Sargent and Wadsworth.
I'm so old I can remember when Hwy 6 was a two lane blacktop, no shoulders. Sometimes, I still miss Houston, very vibrant City. I spend most my time now, when I go, in the Woodlands.I used to hunt rabbits near 59 south and 6.
After Rita my lower extremeties looked like measles after all the Fire Ant Bites. Post storm, they apparently have homing devices toward anything dry. Brutal....
I'm so old I can remember when Hwy 6 was a two lane blacktop, no shoulders. Sometimes, I still miss Houston, very vibrant City. I spend most my time now, when I go, in the Woodlands.
Very hoity-toity of you!
I heard a Montgomery County press conference (my townhouse is there), tell people to have three to five days of food, fill their cars with gas, and expect power outages and flooding in low lying areas. Some churches have already lined up to to take those who have to leave their homes.
I'm so old I can remember when Hwy 6 was a two lane blacktop, no shoulders. Sometimes, I still miss Houston, very vibrant City. I spend most my time now, when I go, in the Woodlands.
I used to hunt rabbits near 59 south and 6.
There was nothing there, except prison farm nearby.
I used to hunt rabbits near 59 south and 6.
There was nothing there, except prison farm nearby.
New Braunfels ISD is putting off first day of school so the schools can be used as shelters for those evacuating coastal cities.
New Braunfels ISD is putting off first day of school so the schools can be used as shelters for those evacuating coastal cities.
New Braunfels ISD is putting off first day of school so the schools can be used as shelters for those evacuating coastal cities.
Hoity Toit is one of my favorite beer joints here in New Braunfels @Wingnut I knew the meaning of that one,
Thanks, @Freya.
Updated (4 pm) 7 day rainfall map has grown larger but thankfully the worse area have not added more inches.
That's awfully nice. Wonder who coordinated that.I think it is a State Emergency effort.
@Sanguine , some of the nicest people I've met on here are Texans.
Aw, thank you, Freya!
And, you too, @libertybele.
Y'all do realize that no matter how bad this turns out to be (and I pray it's only a tiny fraction of what's predicted), it won't get anywhere near the attention of Sandy or any other disaster that might occur on the East Coast or even the West Coast. This is only Texas, and a red state at that. None of the elite media sources are that interested in investing a bunch of money to cover tragedies that happen in flyover country. If someone told them they could probably locate some illegal aliens victimized by the storm, they'd probably high-tail it down here and fan out to find them.
@Bigun, I'm guessing that you aren't in the mandatory evacuation area? Has it started raining yet?
Good. Y'all stay safe.
You to! Have one on me! :beer:
Just got 5 extra gallons of water and two bottles of wine. Good to go.
Still in the 10-15 inch range here too. Benchmark for my present area was 24 inches back in 1994. Was fine with that rain, so so good so far.
I skipped on the water and doubled up on the Liquor and beer, @Sanguine
My location is similar to @Bigun If I flood, Everyone else washed away hours ago.
They updated again and we are now 20~25".
I skipped on the water and doubled up on the Liquor and beer, @Sanguine
My location is similar to @Bigun If I flood, Everyone else washed away hours ago.
Just got 5 extra gallons of water and two bottles of wine. Good to go.
Just got 5 extra gallons of water and two bottles of wine. Good to go.Bottles of wine? I thought you were getting prepared.
Bottles of wine? I thought you were getting prepared.
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They updated again and we are now 20~25".Yeah, I just read that.
Guess this also means Fresh Gulf Shrimp is about to be non-existent.
My X just called, very concerned, that I moved her on the Guadalupe River in Seguin, She thought it safer to ride out Harvey at my place, I reminded her she lives in a second floor apartment, she may call back tomorrow and explain hanging up on me.
Imagine the good times, riding out the storm with the current and the ex staying at your place. :)
Don't worry, we will have Forrest on it pronto.....
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Everyone stay safe! Godspeed
It looks like I'm out of the hurricane force area and only have to worry about the rains. We made it thru Claudette's 45 inches and Allison's 40 inches without flooding so we should be fine.
I awoke yesterday to discovering that our oldest dog Lola had passed away during the night. It was just her time. She was another stray that we had taken in. The kids think we had her for about 18 years. She was just like the "Traveler's Insurance Dog". All our outside dogs, currently, are females and she ruled the roost. I know that our youngest, Daisy, vies for that spot, but I don't think that her mama, Molly, will go for that.
It looks like I'm out of the hurricane force area and only have to worry about the rains. We made it thru Claudette's 45 inches and Allison's 40 inches without flooding so we should be fine.
I awoke yesterday to discovering that our oldest dog Lola had passed away during the night. It was just her time. She was another stray that we had taken in. The kids think we had her for about 18 years. She was just like the "Traveler's Insurance Dog". All our outside dogs, currently, are females and she ruled the roost. I know that our youngest, Daisy, vies for that spot, but I don't think that her mama, Molly, will go for that.
It looks like I'm out of the hurricane force area and only have to worry about the rains. We made it thru Claudette's 45 inches and Allison's 40 inches without flooding so we should be fine.
I awoke yesterday to discovering that our oldest dog Lola had passed away during the night. It was just her time. She was another stray that we had taken in. The kids think we had her for about 18 years. She was just like the "Traveler's Insurance Dog". All our outside dogs, currently, are females and she ruled the roost. I know that our youngest, Daisy, vies for that spot, but I don't think that her mama, Molly, will go for that.
It looks like I'm out of the hurricane force area and only have to worry about the rains. We made it thru Claudette's 45 inches and Allison's 40 inches without flooding so we should be fine.Sorry to hear of your loss. Stay safe.
I awoke yesterday to discovering that our oldest dog Lola had passed away during the night. It was just her time. She was another stray that we had taken in. The kids think we had her for about 18 years. She was just like the "Traveler's Insurance Dog". All our outside dogs, currently, are females and she ruled the roost. I know that our youngest, Daisy, vies for that spot, but I don't think that her mama, Molly, will go for that.
It looks like I'm out of the hurricane force area and only have to worry about the rains. We made it thru Claudette's 45 inches and Allison's 40 inches without flooding so we should be fine.
I awoke yesterday to discovering that our oldest dog Lola had passed away during the night. It was just her time. She was another stray that we had taken in. The kids think we had her for about 18 years. She was just like the "Traveler's Insurance Dog". All our outside dogs, currently, are females and she ruled the roost. I know that our youngest, Daisy, vies for that spot, but I don't think that her mama, Molly, will go for that.
This will be the President's first natural disaster... a good test.
No snark at all here: i hope he responds well to it.
Doesn't matter what Trump does, the press will find something to complain about.
The good news, is that Texas is in good hands with Governor Abbott.
This will be the President's first natural disaster... a good test.
No snark at all here: i hope he responds well to it.
Doesn't matter what Trump does, the press will find something to complain about.
The good news, is that Texas is in good hands with Governor Abbott.
Doesn't matter what Trump does, the press will find something to complain about.
The good news, is that Texas is in good hands with Governor Abbott.
What do you suppose would be going on at this hour if this was happening in New Jersey?
:shrug:
I don't understand the question.
It looks like I'm out of the hurricane force area and only have to worry about the rains. We made it thru Claudette's 45 inches and Allison's 40 inches without flooding so we should be fine.
I awoke yesterday to discovering that our oldest dog Lola had passed away during the night. It was just her time. She was another stray that we had taken in. The kids think we had her for about 18 years. She was just like the "Traveler's Insurance Dog". All our outside dogs, currently, are females and she ruled the roost. I know that our youngest, Daisy, vies for that spot, but I don't think that her mama, Molly, will go for that.
What is with the rush to buy bottled water. I've gone thru many a hurricane prep and never even thought of buying bottled water. Yes, I made sure I had plenty of water on hand, but I didn't purchase a single bottle of water. Yesterday I made a trip to the hardware and when I checked out the cashier was surprised that I didn't buy any water.
What is with the rush to buy bottled water. I've gone thru many a hurricane prep and never even thought of buying bottled water. Yes, I made sure I had plenty of water on hand, but I didn't purchase a single bottle of water. Yesterday I made a trip to the hardware and when I checked out the cashier was surprised that I didn't buy any water.
LOL! It's crazy! They are going to get more free water than they can possibly use and there they are running out to BUY water!I don't think you would want to drink the flood water....lots of things in there to make you sick. I advised my Texas family to buy a good filter at a sporting good store. Then you can drink the water no matter how dirty or polluted
I don't think you would want to drink the flood water....lots of things in there to make you sick. I advised my Texas family to buy a good filter at a sporting good store. Then you can drink the water no matter how dirty or polluted
I'm not suggesting that anyone go out and dip up water out of their yard and consume that but the water that falls into your container directly from the sky is perfectly fine for that purpose I think!
We've been dealing with things like this forever and we will deal with this one as well!
Yep, not our first rodeo.
(It's actually was [Trump's] third briefing update ... )
Charles Grassley can go to hell for his slam against President Bush today. Bush didn't screw up Katrina. Blanco did.
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Charles Grassley can go to hell for his slam against President Bush today. Bush didn't screw up Katrina. Blanco did.
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I'm really worried about @Victoria33
@Sanguine, @mystery-ak or anyone here who might know her in real life or has her phone number please tell her I'm thinking of her
I'm thinking of all of you. CNN is reporting a tornado in Galveston county
I've lived through Sandy. I know what you guys are going through. Prayers up. :0001:
I'm really worried about @Victoria33
@Sanguine, @mystery-ak or anyone here who might know her in real life or has her phone number please tell her I'm thinking of her
I'm thinking of all of you. CNN is reporting a tornado in Galveston county
I've lived through Sandy. I know what you guys are going through. Prayers up. :0001:
I'm really worried about @Victoria33
Okay folks let's try to keep this thread informational with updates on evacuations, rain amounts, weather conditions etc.
We appreciate all you in harms way to check in when you can and tell us what you are experiencing.
Take care and prayers for you all!
@Freya
I know her personally. She now lives in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area and is in no danger from this storm but she still owns property in Montgomery County which could possibly see some storm damage. Hope that helps.
WTNT64 KNHC 252000
TCUAT4
Hurricane Harvey Tropical Cyclone Update
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092017
300 PM CDT Fri Aug 25 2017
...3 PM CDT POSITION AND INTENSITY UPDATE...
Corpus Christi Naval Air Station recently reported a sustained wind
of 53 mph (85 km/h) with a gust to 64 mph (104 km/h).
A station at Aransas Pass run by the Texas Coastal Observing
Network recently reported a sustained wind of 53 mph (85 km/h) with
a gust to 68 mph (109 km/h).
SUMMARY OF 300 PM CDT...2000 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...27.4N 96.4W
ABOUT 70 MI...110 KM ESE OF CORPUS CHRISTI TEXAS
ABOUT 70 MI...110 KM S OF PORT OCONNOR TEXAS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...120 MPH...195 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 325 DEGREES AT 10 MPH...17 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...943 MB...27.85 INCHES
$$
Forecaster Blake
I'm really worried about @Victoria33
@Sanguine, @mystery-ak or anyone here who might know her in real life or has her phone number please tell her I'm thinking of her
I'm thinking of all of you. CNN is reporting a tornado in Galveston county
I've lived through Sandy. I know what you guys are going through. Prayers up. :0001:
Corpus Christi NAS is advising Sailors and Marines to head for Dallas. They moved
as many planes as they could already.
Friend of mine works at the base hospital...they shut down operations at 1700 yesterday. She and her family headed inland for Midland early this morning.
JRB Carswell is gonna be crowded this weekend.
Flood Warning
TXC091-177-187-261411-
/O.NEW.KEWX.FL.W.0033.170827T1500Z-170828T1707Z/
/NBCT2.1.ER.170827T1500Z.170828T0300Z.170828T1107Z.NO/
311 PM CDT Fri Aug 25 2017
The National Weather Service in Austin/San Antonio has issued a
* Flood Warning for the Comal River At New Braunfels.
* from Sunday morning to Monday afternoon...or until the warning is cancelled.
* At 2:45 PM Friday the stage was 4.2 feet.
* Flood stage is 11.0 feet.
* Minor flooding is forecast.
* Forecast...The river level will rise above flood stage by late Sunday morning
and continue to rise to crest around 13.2 feet by Sunday before midnight.
* Impact...At 15.0 feet...Moderate lowland flooding closes many secondary roads
and streets making them and low bridges dangerous to motorists. The tube
chute at Prince Solms Park is flooded to the walkway across the low dam..
The Comal River is my 'good' neighbor. A block away and 80 feet down the Comal meets the Guadalupe, I can drive out of here anytime, I live on a Bluff. They are expecting up to 12" here.
I'm Ready.
Gonna miss yall if the electricity goes out (no generator).
Take care @corbe
I'm really worried about @Victoria33
@Sanguine, @mystery-ak or anyone here who might know her in real life or has her phone number please tell her I'm thinking of her
I'm thinking of all of you. CNN is reporting a tornado in Galveston county
I've lived through Sandy. I know what you guys are going through. Prayers up. :0001:
(http://egdirdle.ddns.net/pics/4PM-Fri.jpg)
2 days of Rain, how boring. I just Msg'd my X, Current, and asked if we could play that '2 dogs in heat' game again.
Those are helpful, @Elderberry. Thank you.
2 days of Rain, how boring. I just Msg'd my X, Current, and asked if we could play that '2 dogs in heat' game again.
Now full fledged Cat 3
Prayers for all y'all affected by this nasty storm.......
I have just started posting pictures from my own server. Thanks for the feedback that you can even see them.
I'm using Google Earth Pro for these. Its pretty handy.
A Cat 3 is nothing to play around with especially with the storm surge ya'll are supposed to be getting -- stay safe. It is better to leave the area for awhile then being trapped once the storm hits.
If you are in an area affected by storm surge, Get out of there! Otherwise it is getting awfully late to be leaving. Make sure when you leave shelter, that you are improving your survival chances. Make smart decisions. I got caught by a hurricane on the freeway back in 1971? by getting talked into making a move by Big Sis when it was way too late.
Never again.
Is she playing hard to get...or down for it!... :smokin:
She hasn't responded, and to save my Vanity, I just assumed her 'O'phone is dead, again.
She moved back to Texas from Kentucky, she doesn't even Vote, hates politics, she'll be Colorado's problem soon.
The interstates are jammed and backed up for miles. If you haven't left already I'd hunker down and find beer. Lots of beer.
What do you suppose would be going on at this hour if this was happening in New Jersey?Major media with beaches on beaches and such. Too close to NYC to not get that.
More than 700 troops deployed to assist with Harvey threat
At the behest of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, more than 700 members of the Texas Army and Air National Guards, Texas State Guard and the Texas Military Department have been activated and are positioning themselves throughout the state ahead of Hurricane Harvey and its anticipated landfall later this week.
“This is what we train for,” said Brig. Gen. Patrick M. Hamilton, commander of the Domestic Operations Task Force. “And we’re proud to stand beside our civilian partners, first responders and volunteers to serve the citizens of Texas.”
Additional personnel remain on standby to respond as needed.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/more-than-700-troops-depoyed-to-assist-with-harvey-threat
The interstates are jammed and backed up for miles. If you haven't left already I'd hunker down and find beer. Lots of beer.I have 36 beers now, soon to be 35....
This is going to be a big boost the south central TX economy. Building Supplies. Local Carpet, tile, wood selling stores and install companies and undertakers......and the electric company employees get at lot of overtime
When the crying is done there is going to be money to be made. Good times.
Folks
Let us know if you guys need anything
Maybe we can FedEx things to those of our friends affected.
Landfall is beginning now in Rockport.
(Per KTRK TV - Houston)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIE7qIFUQAMmW8H.jpg)
Landfall already? Isn't that about six hours earlier than expected?
I need prayers that my trees hold up. I needed all of them thinned, but especially the big one in the front yard. Tree trimming is costly, so I can't get that done. I've been holding my breath for a couple of years, but it looks like my luck has finally run out. Bummer. I don't want to lose my trees, and I really don't want to lose them + my roof (and perhaps my or my dogs' lives). The high winds and the wet ground are making me nervous. Please pray that they'll hold on.
What do you suppose would be going on at this hour if this was happening in New Jersey?
The center of the storm is still well offshore. Landf a ll likely around midnight.
I need prayers that my trees hold up. I needed all of them thinned, but especially the big one in the front yard. Tree trimming is costly, so I can't get that done. I've been holding my breath for a couple of years, but it looks like my luck has finally run out. Bummer. I don't want to lose my trees, and I really don't want to lose them + my roof (and perhaps my or my dogs' lives). The high winds and the wet ground are making me nervous. Please pray that they'll hold on.
Bumper to
We survived Sandy. We survived Corzime and Christie. We are strong stuff. Maybe not as strong as Texas with the Alamo, but I think we are strong
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIE7qIFUQAMmW8H.jpg)
Bumper to bumper.....turnpike and parkway
We survived Sandy. We survived Corzime and Christie. We are strong stuff. Maybe not as strong as Texas with the Alamo, but I think we are strong
Remember the Alamo!
Seriously, thank you.
You, and all of us, on TBR are strong folks.
Wife just called... being reported on local news that Harvey has made Cat 4...
Wife just called... being reported on local news that Harvey has made Cat 4...Heard that on Weather channel as well.
I'd rather remember San Jacinto since we won that one. :laugh:
I'd rather remember San Jacinto since we won that one. :laugh:
Heard that on Weather channel as well.
Your a Deep Thinker, aren't you @Sanguine?
Uh, yes, that's it. (I would have called it smart-assery, but I like your explanation better.)Local Houston TV news reporting that the Galveston to Bolivar ferry is still running, but not for much longer.
@Freya I love you but that storm wouldn't even have made the news had it happened in Texas. Nothing compared to what is currently headed for Texas. The difference is that we are quite used to dealing with such things and you folks are not.
You may be right. @Bigun but personally, I'm a tough broad. :)
I've seen things in my career as a journalist that still keep me up at night but those were man made. I just hope you and yours are safe from Mother Nature. You are a dear man.
Landfall already? Isn't that about six hours earlier than expected?
I know that's true and I meant absolutely no disrespect.
I know.Im just scared for you all- I feel like I did when the hospice nurse told us dad was going to die.
Helpless. I'm praying it goes down to a category one with less than five- six inches of rain.
CNN is reporting 130 winds when it hits. I'm getting dressed and going to church maybe G- d can hear my prayers better there.
❤️
Port A is one of my favorite places in the world.It never fails that these things move more Northward when they approach land!
Don't worry about us dear! We are Texans! :bighug:
@Freya I believe that yesterday @Victoria33 said she's up in the D/FW area right now and out of the path of the storm.@Freya
@Freya
@txradioguy
Yes, I am north of Dallas. I own a townhouse in Montgomery County, which touches Harris County on the north. I won't know if my townhouse and belongings make it through without damage until roads are open to go there and that will be a number of days based on the information I am getting from the Sheriff's Dept. of Montgomery County. They are sending notices to all of us who are signed up there for notices. They have backup power so their notices are going to keep going to us through and after this storm. Montgomery County could get 15 inches of rain. As I get notices, I will post them here so people who live in the Houston area will know what is going on as what happens to Houston, happens in Montgomery County.
I will get an email from Entergy, my electric company there, if power goes off at my house. That is a given, power is going out.
Port A is one of my favorite places in the world.
I got on my cowboy boots, jeans and Hawaiian shirt mirrored sunglasses and a mobile phone,
I guess I look like some Port Aransas dope dealer who's out on bail Just trying to get home
Hey, I'll be there in 2024 for the APril eclipse! I'll be buying :beer:
I got on my cowboy boots, jeans and Hawaiian shirt mirrored sunglasses and a mobile phone,
I guess I look like some Port Aransas dope dealer who's out on bail Just trying to get home
I got on my cowboy boots, jeans and Hawaiian shirt mirrored sunglasses and a mobile phone,
I guess I look like some Port Aransas dope dealer who's out on bail Just trying to get home
LOL, that would do it!
I got on my cowboy boots, jeans and Hawaiian shirt mirrored sunglasses and a mobile phone,
I guess I look like some Port Aransas dope dealer who's out on bail Just trying to get home
I think I have a picture of you here somewhere!@Wingnut your profile picture does look a bit like Ray Wylie Hubbard.
@Wingnut your profile picture does look a bit like Ray Wylie Hubbard.
:seeya:
LOL. not much gets past you my friend!
Port A is one of my favorite places in the world.
LOL, more does nowadays than I care to admit!
It is a Snake Farm out there. Step lightly.
Landfall is beginning now in Rockport.
Just sounds nasty, purty much is.
I rarely hear people sing the praises of Port Arthur.
Uuuggghhhhh......
Playing him now! Good 'Cane music. don't you think?
Found it!
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jimmy+Buffett+Universal+Studios+Hollywood+fXhG3bGZ1IFl.jpg)
Port Aransas hits low tide at 1 am. High tide at 6:30 am.
LOL. :beer: I wonder if Jimmy and Ray Wylie ever played together?
Don't see how they could have avoided it! :beer: :beer:
Now the fence on the other side of the house has become a casualty of this bloody storm. 8888crybaby
Oh, perfect! Just as I'm typing this, I can hear the neighbor's fence blowing down. :thud:
Now the fence on the other side of the house has become a casualty of this bloody storm. 8888crybaby
Oh, perfect! Just as I'm typing this, I can hear the neighbor's fence blowing down. :thud:
What kind of trees? Some are better at staying upright than others.
Sorry to say this... but as an Insurance adjuster....your Deductible has not been met.
In the front I have an Arizona Ash. In the back, I have a pecan tree (which I hate and want gone) and a tallow (which is basically a weed and grows everywhere down here). All are mature trees and quite large.
I rarely hear people sing the praises of Port Arthur. :tongue2: :silly:
May have met deductible..the fence fell onto the car 8888crybaby
The only one of those you need to worry about is the Pecan! The ash will be fine and you couldn't knock the tallow tree down if you wanted to as there in much more of it below ground than above! I HATE the bloody things!Depends on how old that ash is. People plant them here(used to) because they grow fast. They grow fast because they get so so much more water than growing in Arizona and they quickly grow themselves to death.
Sorry to say this... but as an Insurance adjuster....your Deductible has not been met.
Aw give it another half hour....
Nobody this time of nite will see him knocking down some more fence.
Oh boy, is that your car?
Yes, and there's not a ding in it! PTL!
Depends on how old that ash is. People plant them here(used to) because they grow fast. They grow fast because they get so so much more water than growing in Arizona and they quickly grow themselves to death.@Elderberry
Not from Texas, but the folks in Ingleside say uh-RAN-sus
I was thinking earlier, about parking my car around the corner, replacing the battery with a dead one I have in storage, to cover my tracks, pour some water in the crankcase and call it a night, till I realized there's no bottled water to be had in this town.
I need a new car and all you other people should pay for it.
Not from Texas, but the folks in Ingleside say uh-RAN-sus
Here is someone live-streaming from Portland.I call it stupid, as I used to live in an apartment in Portland and it is very, very exposed to the water.
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1zqKVRbYXWWKB (https://www.periscope.tv/w/1zqKVRbYXWWKB)
Incredible.
Is anyone else watching this?
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1zqKVRbYXWWKB (https://www.periscope.tv/w/1zqKVRbYXWWKB)
I call it stupid, as I used to live in an apartment in Portland and it is very, very exposed to the water.
Is anyone else watching this?
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1zqKVRbYXWWKB (https://www.periscope.tv/w/1zqKVRbYXWWKB)
Feed ended 10 in ago.
Reload page. He's still on.
Reload page. He's still on.
Reload page. He's still on.
If you look that is older footage. Still daylight out
Currently says feed ended 22 min ago.
If you look that is older footage. Still daylight out
Currently says feed ended 22 min ago.
Yes, but sometimes 'stupid' can offer a contribution to the scientific knowledge of others.No need for quotes. He is stupid for endangering his life and those who will likely mimic him. Leave science to scientists.
Call me what you like but just once I would like to see one of these idiot reporters who think they must stand out in the wind and rain in order to report on a storm get knocked on his ass by some flying debris!
Call me what you like but just once I would like to see one of these idiot reporters who think they must stand out in the wind and rain in order to report on a storm get knocked on his ass by some flying debris!
I need prayers that my trees hold up. I needed all of them thinned, but especially the big one in the front yard. Tree trimming is costly, so I can't get that done. I've been holding my breath for a couple of years, but it looks like my luck has finally run out. Bummer. I don't want to lose my trees, and I really don't want to lose them + my roof (and perhaps my or my dogs' lives). The high winds and the wet ground are making me nervous. Please pray that they'll hold on.Prayers up for you, your dogs, and your roof and trees. Stay safe.
I dunno how y'all do it... watching that vid is spooky bad.
I have been caught out here in high winds, but all you have to do is step behind a mountain and sit it out...
Call me what you like but just once I would like to see one of these idiot reporters who think they must stand out in the wind and rain in order to report on a storm get knocked on his ass by some flying debris!I wouldn't wish that on anyone, I worked a job in the California desert once when the wind kicked up to 60 and 70 mph gusts and the metal decking flying off the structure scared the bejeezus out of me and was the only time that job got shut down due to weather.
I need prayers that my trees hold up. I needed all of them thinned, but especially the big one in the front yard. Tree trimming is costly, so I can't get that done. I've been holding my breath for a couple of years, but it looks like my luck has finally run out. Bummer. I don't want to lose my trees, and I really don't want to lose them + my roof (and perhaps my or my dogs' lives). The high winds and the wet ground are making me nervous. Please pray that they'll hold on.
Fell asleep. Just woke up. Going to go on my knees and pray....don't want to look at the pictures of those weathermen/weather people?Not just any WW2 vet either.
I just want them to stay alive., please G-d?
Please don't let people die in this. Harvey is the name of Jimmy Stewart's rabbit. Please keep people safe. Rabbits wouldn't kill anyone. Especially if they belong to a WW II veteran.
Still my favorite...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW0M-DvkEn8
ROFLMFAO!!!
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy! Where is OSHA?
@Bigun ! How the heck are you? Any word from anyone? I just got off the phone with my mom . I have a second cousin in Dallas with a toddler and a newborn. I'm going to try to text her now.
I'm so glad you are ok. I'm crying, but I'm just an old softie,
@Elderberry , you ok too?
Alright you Texans... How do y'all say Aransas? sas=saw like in Arkansas? Or is it actually Aransas?
I think Elderberry is right. This one is about 35 years old. It's full and fat and has a beautiful but somewhat overgrown canopy. I will hate when I have to get rid of it.
Bigun, tallows are a PITA, but I have a soft spot for them because they're great climbing trees. I climbed a hundred of them in my youth (and a few in my post youth). Also, they're beautiful in the fall. I didn't plant it. Tallows tend to plant themselves. All things considered, I'd rather not have it, but I rather not have the pecan more. All this is moot since I can't afford to get rid of them anyway. :shrug:
Arizona Ash Tree Lifespan
Overview
The Arizona ash tree has several common names: velvet ash, Modesto ash, leather leaf ash, smooth ash, Tumi ash, Fresno and Standley ash. It is a fast-growing deciduous tree native to North America, reaching heights and widths of up to 30 feet. The Arizona ash is hardy in USDA zones 7 and 8.
Life Expectancy
Generally the Arizona ash has a life expectancy of approximately 20 to 30 years. Its life expectancy is directly related to its structural integrity. The poor structural integrity is due to the many upright trunks that the tree develops. The trunks all stem from the main trunk, and they all originate from the same location on the main trunk, which makes the tree weak. The weakening of the tree then leads to a shorter life expectancy; instead of living from 20 to 30 years it may only live from about 15 to 20 years. On the other hand, if the tree is maintained well through pruning, and you have used braces or cables to support any branches that are showing signs of stress, weakness or overload, the Arizona ash tree can have a life expectancy of up to 50 years.
Limb Failure
When a tree has several trunks growing out of the same point on the main trunk, it creates a stress point due to the heaviness of the limbs and branches. This stress and weight creates a weak point in the tree, and can cause limb failure/limb breakage. What happens is that these limbs begin to break at that point of stress/overload. Once a limb breaks off the site of the break begins to decay, and this makes the tree even weaker. When main limbs are lost, the canopy or crown of the tree is diminished due to the loss of branches--the tree is no longer aesthetically pleasing, and it no longer provides the shade that it once did.
Computer models are all over the place. Who knows where it will really go.
(https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/09L_tracks_latest.png)
Computer models are all over the place. Who knows where it will really go.
(https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/09L_tracks_latest.png)
Tried to sleep in this morning but the top 15 feet of an old Hackberry just came crashing down on the back of my House, I have a Metal Roof, only damage appears to be the back screen door. Never liked that tree. My dogs are still under the bed. The winds aren't that strong here, gust of 35 mph but it was apparently water soaked and old, like me. I'll fix some coffee now and be thankful.
Or how strong@thackney - how are you holding up? I see up to 30 inches forecast for your neck of the woods.
(https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/09L_intensity_latest.png)
Hmm, Franklin's Barbecue in Austin suffered a fire in their smokehouse, apparently caused by wind-blown embers. Heavy damage, and the restaurant is closed for an unknown amount of time.Seems the worst has finally arrived. Downhill after that one.
Just heard Victoria is completely without electricity.
Local station in Austin (KXAN) has a reporter on the ground in Rockport. He and his crew were there through the night in a hotel, and gave live reports last night while Harvey was hitting the town. This morning he's reporting that recovery efforts have started there, many buildings have been heavily damaged or destroyed, all communications are down, but so far... no reports of fatalities (yet.)
They've narrowed it down to Texas.
PORT ARANSAS, Texas -- No one should consider returning or visiting Port Aransas until further notice given the amount of destruction in the area, the mayor said.
The city's police chief told Mayor Charles Bujan the Pioneer Trailer Park, located at 120 Gulfwind Drive, is a "100-percent loss" and a search and rescue operation is underway this Saturday morning. Crews only are beginning to realize the extent of damage as they are just entering city limits.
There is an extensive amount of debris and utility poles down across roadways entering the city.
"We are in the process now of pushing down 361 ... We had to send heavy maintenance equipment in before the police to clear the highway," Bujan said.
While speaking with 3 News during a live interview, Bujan provided a number of fatalities. That information has not yet been verified, and 3 News cannot yet pass it along as fact.
Mayor: Port Aransas trailer park a '100-percent' loss, search and rescue starts
http://www.kiiitv.com/weather/hurricane/port-aransas-trailer-park-a-100-percent-loss-search-and-rescue-underway/467644031 (http://www.kiiitv.com/weather/hurricane/port-aransas-trailer-park-a-100-percent-loss-search-and-rescue-underway/467644031)
Mayor: Port Aransas trailer park a '100-percent' loss, search and rescue starts
Here it is:
(http://www.khou.com/img/resize/content.khou.com/photo/2016/06/09/AquaDam%20home1_1465518635828_2861498_ver1.0.JPG?preset=534-401)
I wasn't happy to be greeted by this development this morning. It's getting larger as the storms go through. I've walked the house and not found another one yet, but we'll see how things look after Harvey moves on to parts north. I don't wish him on anyone, but I do want him the hell outta here!
Don't mean to sound whiny. Especially in contrast to the folks on down the coast. I've so been there and done that more times than I care to recount. It makes my heart break to hear what they're enduring. BTW, as much as I hate hurricanes, I hate them even more when then come in during the night.
This may be Thackney's house.I do not see his tractor anywhere. Hope it is beyond the barrier.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/19/article-1388660-0C25E69700000578-339_964x592.jpg)
At 400 PM CDT (2100 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Harvey was
located by Doppler radar near latitude 29.1 North, longitude 97.6
West. Harvey has been nearly stationary and little motion is
anticipated during the next few days.
Maximum sustained winds have decreased to near 65 mph (100 km/h)
with higher gusts. Additional weakening is expected during the
next day or two.
Tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 115 miles (185 km)
from the center.
@thackney - how are you holding up? I see up to 30 inches forecast for your neck of the woods.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Okay so far, but looks like we are going to flood out. We spent the day getting horse, cows and dogs relocated. Everything personal and important to us is moved upstairs. Some problems with the aquadam means I couldn't put it up again in time. I needed to replace the connectors between the main tubes. Lesson learned.
May not happen until Monday, may not happen God willing. We really caught a break today between bands in our area. Ground water has had some chance to run off.
We are prepared, expecting the worst, hoping for lots of wasted time preparing.
CNN just reported one death. I hope that is the only one.
I'm wondering if I should write to Sen Cruz and the other senator. I need to look him up and see what we can do to help our Texan friends.
Or call the Red Cross
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/26/hurricane-harvey-victims-here-is-what-can-do-to-help.html
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/08/hurricane_harvey_2017_how_to_h.html
@mystery-ak can we do a hyperlink to the above hyperlink on the front page? There are a few other places with news articles on how to help via google as well.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Okay so far, but looks like we are going to flood out. We spent the day getting horse, cows and dogs relocated. Everything personal and important to us is moved upstairs. Some problems with the aquadam means I couldn't put it up again in time. I needed to replace the connectors between the main tubes. Lesson learned.
May not happen until Monday, may not happen God willing. We really caught a break today between bands in our area. Ground water has had some chance to run off.
We are prepared, expecting the worst, hoping for lots of wasted time preparing.
Current predictions are for the Brazos to reach something over 52 feet in coming days. Hope that won't hurt you too badly.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Okay so far, but looks like we are going to flood out. We spent the day getting horse, cows and dogs relocated. Everything personal and important to us is moved upstairs. Some problems with the aquadam means I couldn't put it up again in time. I needed to replace the connectors between the main tubes. Lesson learned.
May not happen until Monday, may not happen God willing. We really caught a break today between bands in our area. Ground water has had some chance to run off.
We are prepared, expecting the worst, hoping for lots of wasted time preparing.
52.5 is basically the same point we reached last year. We did have some flow through us from upstream flooding, going across us to the river 5 miles away. We think that made it a bit worse where we are than the actual river.
(http://water.weather.gov/resources/hydrographs/rost2_hg.png)
But this was us last year:
(http://www.khou.com/img/resize/content.khou.com/photo/2016/06/09/AquaDam%20home1_1465518635828_2861498_ver1.0.JPG)
Won't Harvey sitting around here also prevent these swollen river basins from draining back into the Gulf?
We've got one of those feeder bands training over Sugar Land now. Been raining hard for a while.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Okay so far, but looks like we are going to flood out. We spent the day getting horse, cows and dogs relocated. Everything personal and important to us is moved upstairs. Some problems with the aquadam means I couldn't put it up again in time. I needed to replace the connectors between the main tubes. Lesson learned.
May not happen until Monday, may not happen God willing. We really caught a break today between bands in our area. Ground water has had some chance to run off.
We are prepared, expecting the worst, hoping for lots of wasted time preparing.
We've got one of those feeder bands training over Sugar Land now. Been raining hard for a while.
I needed to replace the connectors between the main tubes. Lesson learned.
Pouring down like crazy in Houston now.
I always recommend:I agree, and from time in a flood in 79, they provided the most help 24/7. I doubt that has changed.
http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/
Highest percentage of your donated dollar goes to actual help.
Pouring down like crazy in Houston now.
Praying for you thackney
I got this link from Senator Cruz' webpage.
It's really good.
https://interactives.dallasnews.com/2017/hurricane-harvey-live-coverage/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter
I'm going to my local Red cross tomorrow to see what I can do for my friends in Texas. Give blood, clothes, what ever.
That's a nice site. Thank you, Freya.
4 inches an hour right now with a predicted 22-28 more inches in the next 24 hours.
Just reported 3 miles south of me, over 9 inches an hour.
FITTINGS? Fittings are what's holding you back?
You're a bright boy @thackney , surely there is something that can be done!
prayers up, man. I sure hope it works out!
Harvey spawns 'catastrophic' flooding in southeastern Texas
CNN, Aug 27, 2017, Updated 8:31 AM ET
Catastrophic" flooding paralyzed Houston and other deluged towns in southeastern Texas early Sunday as Tropical Storm Harvey pummeled and drenched residents and first responders.
More than 1,000 people had been rescued overnight due to record flooding in the sprawling Houston area, according to meteorologist Jeff Lindner with Harris County's Flood Control District.
"Stay put," the National Weather Service advised.
More (with maps and video) : http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/27/us/harvey-landfall/
Made it thru Day1 OK. The 3 rain gauges closest to me show for the last 24hrs;
16.44 19.72 20.52
I'm in the neighborhood directly north of Hobby Airport.
Just heard from my son. House is 5 feet under water. He managed to drive his family to higher ground.
AllThatJazz, you're going to have to update your avatar after all of this.
@Elderberry @thackney @AllThatJazzZ Prayers for you all.
yes. I've been sitting here losing my mind for the last three hours or so.
Just heard from my son. House is 5 feet under water. He managed to drive his family to higher ground.I am glad they are safe, sorry about the house, and will remember them in my prayers.
Just heard from my son. House is 5 feet under water. He managed to drive his family to higher ground.
I am glad they are safe, sorry about the house, and will remember them in my prayers.
Are they still on the island?
Thank you for the prayers.They made it, that is the important part. Most else can be replaced, albeit some things like photos and mementos will be lost, still, the important part is that they are safe.
They got out with the shirt on their backs, but they're all alive which is all that matters. I was afraid they were not as I wanted them to get on the roof as opposed to driving, but it seems it worked out fine for them.
Does everyone have flood insurance?.......my heart breaks for all of you.
I've been in my home since 1985. It was in the flood plain when we bought it, so we had flood insurance. After drainage improvements we were no longer in the flood zone and I dropped flood insurance. That was 15 years ago, or so. It has never flooded. ( I hope I can make the same statement next week)
I had the county wrong. They are in Brazoria county not Galveston. They used to live in Galveston County.
I tried to get them to come up here a few days ago, but the wife refused to leave as she didn't want to be stuck on the Gulf Freeway for 16 hours as they were the last time they did evacuate.
I had the county wrong. They are in Brazoria county not Galveston. They used to live in Galveston County.
I tried to get them to come up here a few days ago, but the wife refused to leave as she didn't want to be stuck on the Gulf Freeway for 16 hours as they were the last time they did evacuate.
They made it, that is the important part. Most else can be replaced, albeit some things like photos and mementos will be lost, still, the important part is that they are safe.
Does everyone have flood insurance?.......my heart breaks for all of you.
Hope that little dude brought an umbrella so she don't get wet...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp5foT32tKM
Yup after the nightmare Rita evacuation no one wants to evacuate any more. I told my friends to wait an see what Rita was going to do. So I didn't evacuate and I missed the 36 hr road trip to Dallas. The media hyped Rita so badly that people north of Houston were evacuating, mass hysteria. Rain coming down hard again here on Galveston Bay.
Heard that and my heart went up in my throat. OMG! I'm watching Channel 11.
Rita was the most terrible traffic jam I ever was in. 19 hours to get from Houston to Austin.
Yup after the nightmare Rita evacuation no one wants to evacuate any more. I told my friends to wait an see what Rita was going to do. So I didn't evacuate and I missed the 36 hr road trip to Dallas. The media hyped Rita so badly that people north of Houston were evacuating, mass hysteria. Rain coming down hard again here on Galveston Bay.
All I care about is that they are okay. He's having fun giving me a hard time for giving him a hard time for wasting money on that "stupid monster truck" he put together that just sits in the driveway. It served him well today. ;)
Heh heh... when the river floods up here, they call in the redneck boys, because their trucks are about the only thing that can get in through the high water to move livestock and goods... Folks get out on boats easy enough, but stuff and critters are another thing altogether.well, down here near the coast, almost everyone has a fishing boat parked in the drive. Lots of good ways to vacate you and the neighbors if needed. Not good for many possessions, but it will save your life.
Glad the boy had a mud truck sitting in the driveway...
Heh heh... when the river floods up here, they call in the redneck boys, because their trucks are about the only thing that can get in through the high water to move livestock and goods... Folks get out on boats easy enough, but stuff and critters are another thing altogether.
Glad the boy had a mud truck sitting in the driveway...
Me too. I'll never cast aspersions on that truck again. LOL
well, down here near the coast, almost everyone has a fishing boat parked in the drive. Lots of good ways to vacate you and the neighbors if needed. Not good for many possessions, but it will save your life.
Checking in.
I moved into my house last month, in La Porte, last month and have to give huge kudos to the city for their drainage system. We received about 15" of rain in 8/9 hours and the ditch in front of the house never flowed over into the street, and right now it only has about 6" of water sitting in it. My son and his family live a few miles from my old house, they are safe & dry but can't get out of the neighborhood.
My brother & I own property in Aransas Pass (it's in the county, not the city proper) and our mother lives there. Thankfully the stubborn old lady listed to the evacuation order and headed North to stay with my brother. After seeing pictures and videos from the area, I'm afraid that she will not have a home to go back to. My brother & SIL are threating to take away her keys because she is itching to go home. My brother and nephew plan to head down there mid-week to see if the place is still standing, the problem they are going to run into is keeping our mother away ~ once that woman makes up her mind about something it is difficult to change it.
Rita was the most terrible traffic jam I ever was in. 19 hours to get from Houston to Austin.
I blame the media.
The media was criminal in their hyping of Rita, Those of us that needed to evacuate couldn't because all the highways were jammed with folks that did not need to evacuate. If you are inland and on high ground (15' or more elevation) there is no reason for you to evacuate. When Ike came around I told my friends to get out. But after Rita they stayed until there was 3 feet of water in their house. The media has the blood of everyone that died on the road evacuating Rita on their hands.
The media was criminal in their hyping of Rita, Those of us that needed to evacuate couldn't because all the highways were jammed with folks that did not need to evacuate. If you are inland and on high ground (15' or more elevation) there is no reason for you to evacuate. When Ike came around I told my friends to get out. But after Rita they stayed until there was 3 feet of water in their house. The media has the blood of everyone that died on the road evacuating Rita on their hands.
As you remember, Rita came on the heels of Katrina, and a lot of people panicked after seeing those images of New Orleans. I had to convince my family here in Sugar Land that we didn't need to go anywhere. Of course, Rita moved over to the Sabine River, and we were fine.
I've gotten Ike and Rita mixed up in my mind. I remember the news saying on every report that it was heading straight for Houston. I was plotting its course from every NOAA Bulletin and could see a gradual arc to the east. But on the news it was always reported, heading straight for Houston. From all the news reports my wife and daughter wanted to leave. I would show them the freeway gridlock via the TXDOT cameras. I told them if we decided we must leave, we would go Southwest down to Corpus. But we stayed put. We have never evacuated. From Carla to today.We lived in La Marque during Carla. My dad worked as a meteorologist at Galveston airport and had to stay through it, but we didn't stay. We had a foot of water in our house when we returned.
I've gotten Ike and Rita mixed up in my mind. I remember the news saying on every report that it was heading straight for Houston. I was plotting its course from every NOAA Bulletin and could see a gradual arc to the east. But on the news it was always reported, heading straight for Houston. From all the news reports my wife and daughter wanted to leave. I would show them the freeway gridlock via the TXDOT cameras. I told them if we decided we must leave, we would go Southwest down to Corpus. But we stayed put. We have never evacuated. From Carla to today.
Yes I remember and Katrina did not even hit New Orleans. It was corrupt elected Democrats that caused the damage to New Orleans not Katrina. A levy was not properly maintained and the neither was the pumping equipment. But Katrina gets the blame, easy scapegoat.I worked in New Orleans and moved right before Katrina.
I've gotten Ike and Rita mixed up in my mind. I remember the news saying on every report that it was heading straight for Houston. I was plotting its course from every NOAA Bulletin and could see a gradual arc to the east. But on the news it was always reported, heading straight for Houston. From all the news reports my wife and daughter wanted to leave. I would show them the freeway gridlock via the TXDOT cameras. I told them if we decided we must leave, we would go Southwest down to Corpus. But we stayed put. We have never evacuated. From Carla to today.
Yes I remember and Katrina did not even hit New Orleans. It was corrupt elected Democrats that caused the damage to New Orleans not Katrina. A levy was not properly maintained and the neither was the pumping equipment. But Katrina gets the blame, easy scapegoat.
Watching perhaps the worst tragedy in Texas history unfold. Before it's over nothingng else will even come close.
I think it will be pretty tough to top Galveston 1900.
Maybe some of those Katrina folks that came in '05 to Houston temporally.... will return home now.
Maybe some of those Katrina folks that came in '05 to Houston temporally.... will return home now.
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We nicknamed some of those folks "Katridiots".
It may seem cruel, but some came over and just continued street ways.
Not all,of course but some did.
They invaded texas like the moslem asylum seekers are doing today.....
They took over some apartment complexes not far from me.
Katridiots or moslems? ;)
Our Police Force locked the doors to the Red Cross and posted official stationary at all the Hotels/Motels: if your from Katrina go south another 20 miles to San Antonio. They caught a lot of heat for that. Results were outstanding!
Watching perhaps the worst tragedy in Texas history unfold. Before it's over nothingng else will even come close.
Tropical Storm Harvey: What to expect from the historic storm
ABC News, Aug 27, 2017, 3:01 PM ET, Morgan Winsor
Sunday through Monday
Harvey will head back toward the coastline and interact with the warm waters of the Gulf Coast early next week. Earlier forecast models indicated the storm could re-emerge briefly over the Gulf of Mexico and then make a second landfall in northeastern Texas or Louisiana. However, the latest track shows Harvey sticking to land, but coming close enough to the water to draw in some moisture, which will fuel additional rainfall.
This means areas that were already hit hard along the Texas coast should expect even more rain and wind, setting the stage for potentially catastrophic flooding and storm surge. Rainfall in some areas in Houston could reach as much as 40 to 50 inches.
"This is a very bad scenario to be dealing with," ABC News meteorologist Daniel Manzo said Saturday. "This will lead to staggering prolific amounts of rain."
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Tuesday through Wednesday
Harvey will then take off northeast, moving further inland into Texas, but staying west of Houston.
Remember, the storm is an evolving system and its track could change.
More: http://abcnews.go.com/US/tropical-storm-harvey-expect-historic-storm/story?id=49435050
@CatherineofAragon
@Freya
@txradioguy
@roamer_1
@INVAR
I expect my townhouse in Conroe, Montgomery County, that backs up to Harris County (Houston), has six feet of water or more inside the first floor, hopefully not the second floor but that is possible, as the drainage in my small backyard can't fast enough get rid of that much water coming down and the water from the townhomes on the right of me, also flows through my draining system, down through the townhomes on my left. They have to be all flooded likely up to the ceiling of the first floor and maybe the second floor, too. There are 60+ townhomes there. At least I am not there, I am north of Dallas.
We are watching the rescue of people in boats in Houston, and it looks like "The Walking Dead" with the rescuers moving slowly in the water pushing the boats, moving like Zombies in "Walking Dead".
My little Yorkie, Prissy, will have surgery on her left back leg knee tomorrow morning, Monday. They will let us see her before they close on Monday but said she will be drowsy. At least she will know we are there. They will keep her overnight until Tuesday, to keep her on a pain drip. We will get her sometime Tuesday. Then, she will have to sit with us or be in the pink cage I got for her as they don't want her running or jumping for two weeks.
Prissy is my concern now as I can't do anything about the townhouse and there is no idea when roads will be clear enough to get to Conroe.
I have a dear friend who lives in Corpus Christi and he called me today as he thought I was likely in Conroe. He said they never lost power in Corpus and the Corpus area is not bad. He teaches in Del Mar University there and says classes will resume tomorrow, Monday. He said it was Rockport to their north that got the mass of destruction. Rockport is mostly gone with nothing functioning.
I expect all the oil refining/chemical refining plants in Texas City are ruined. If you live in northern states up the east cost, your gasoline and natural gas goes through pipelines from these plants in Texas City, which is on the Galveston Bay shoreline. Freya, that includes New Jersey.
The 20+ inches of rain is bad for those plants, but the major damage is going to be caused by the San Jacinto River flooding coming from where I lived in Coldspring, Texas. The San Jacinto River dam is there. It is that freshwater the gasoline/natural gas plants use in their systems. The water from that river is intentionally directed to those plants. The plants will be destroyed by that mass of river water coming to them.
When 911 happened, I saw military helicopters going over my house and I wondered where they were all going. They were going to the San Jacinto River dam in that county. The military protected that dam for a number of days. I later found out that was because that water was essential to those plants, and if the dam was blown up, the water going downstream to those plants, would wipe them out. Well, the dam wasn't blown up then but now the massive flooding of that river is as though the dam was blown up now. Water is over flowing the dam and so much rain is coming down into the river besides what is coming over the dam, into that river, the plants are being destroyed. My guess is it will be months to years before those plants can start again. The employees can't even get there as their homes are flooded and they are displaced from those homes and who knows when they can live in their houses again.
This is not being covered in the news due to right now people's lives hang in the balance, will they live or die right now because they can't be rescued.
First responders put out call for citizens with boats
Galveston News, Aug 27, 2017, KEVIN M. COX/The Daily News
Galveston County and several cities are requesting assistance from experienced boaters willing to help with the large number of high water rescues waiting to be made across the area.
Please contact these departments directly if you can help:
Galveston County Sheriff's Office:
League City Police Department:
Dickinson Police Department:
Santa Fe Police Department:
More information: http://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_230fa080-d4a9-5e02-b690-a6748a5033d1.html
OMG! They are now saying that Harvey may dump an unprecedented 50 inches of rain.
Tropical Storm Claudette: The 'Mother Lode' of floods
In July 1979 Claudette dumped 43 inches on Alvin in one day
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-weather/article/Remembering-Tropical-Storm-Claudette-The-Mother-6295177.php (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-weather/article/Remembering-Tropical-Storm-Claudette-The-Mother-6295177.php)
Claudette continued to bounce off of a high north of us, so it hit us 3 times before it left the area.
They are saying Harvey may come back to hit parts of TX and Louisiana. I pray they are wrong and I pray that somehow Harvey leaves and dissipates sooner rather than later.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/27/us/harvey-landfall/index.html
I was working at Austin State Hospital during Katrina and well remember the "mental" patients we housed. Some were quite demanding and dissatisfied with the service, the service that took us away from our actual patients.
I have tears too ... unbelievable what TX is going through. Predicting rain still for the next several days.
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Drudge has this list of rain totals (so far) on his site for anyone interested.
http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/nfdscc1.html
132 inches sounds biblical to me.
Dammit. OK, I've got to figure out how to volunteer. My neighbors are going to need some help.
@Sanguine if you can find out how people from out of state can help let me know. I have some clothes that are practically new because of all the weight I lost. I'm also donating blood tomorrow
I just made a donation to the Red Cross
@Victoria33
Glad you are safe. Best wishes for Prissy and fast healing.
The info on the San Jacinto River dam is chilling. I, too, fear that it will take years to recover. I am sending a donation to the Salvation Army. Someone mentioned that was the best place to donate.
Heard that our place down South is intact, just some damage to the store room roof.
Check out this beauty from TOS. They should be ashamed
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3581021/posts?page=78
That is great! A lot of Rockport was hammered, I feared much worse.
My house sits about 3/4 the way up on a hill and is roughly 400 feet above sea level. If it gets water in it the roof is leaking!
Check out this beauty from TOS. They should be ashamed
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3581021/posts?page=78
Check out this beauty from TOS. They should be ashamed
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3581021/posts?page=78
Dickinson is devastated. Just learned some family members (elderly) are waiting to be rescued. 8888crybaby
A hill in Houston? I don't believe it!
btw, what is it looking like at Hobby? This would be a good time to park a vehicle in their parking deck.
napscoordinator is in dire need of throttling.Never happen, at least on the site,there has been a group
You and me both.
Check out this beauty from TOS. They should be ashamed
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3581021/posts?page=78
@Freya
Thanks. You have a heart the size of Texas. I've been watching all the water rescues in Houston on Fox26Houston.com/live. And there are thousands in the surrounding areas that need help.
@TheMom - you've been my thoughts. I know you've had the year from Hades. I'm glad to see your post. ❤️
Check out this beauty from TOS. They should be ashamed
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3581021/posts?page=78
Napscoordinator has always been a scumbag.
Houston mayor defends decision not to issue evacuation order
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/houston-mayor-defends-decision-not-issue-evacuation-order-201504169--abc-news-topstories.html
@Sanguine if you can find out how people from out of state can help let me know. I have some clothes that are practically new because of all the weight I lost. I'm also donating blood tomorrow
I just made a donation to the Red Cross
Houston mayor defends decision not to issue evacuation order
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/houston-mayor-defends-decision-not-issue-evacuation-order-201504169--abc-news-topstories.html
Houston Hit by ‘Catastrophic Flooding’ From Hurricane Harvey, Hundreds Rescued
NBC News, Aug 27 2017, 4:36 pm ET
HOUSTON — Rescuers were answering thousands of calls from people trapped in Houston early Sunday, officials said, as torrential rain from deadly Hurricane Harvey caused “catastrophic flooding” in the city and across southeast Texas.
"This event is unprecedented & all impacts are unknown & beyond anything experienced," the National Weather Service said Sunday morning.
Heavy rain continued to pour over Houston early Sunday afternoon, with some downtown areas knee-deep in water, and shut down portions of highways flooded with as much as 10 feet of water.
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Two kayakers try to beat the current pushing them down an overflowing Brays Bayou along S. Braeswood in Houston, Texas on Aug. 27
More: https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/hurricane-harvey/hurricane-harvey-houston-hit-catastrophic-flooding-n796341
There's what, 6.75 million people in the Houston metropolitan area? I'm not sure how you do an evacuation like that unless you start the week prior. How long would that take? And, where would they all go, assuming they had a way to go?
Houston mayor defends decision not to issue evacuation order
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/houston-mayor-defends-decision-not-issue-evacuation-order-201504169--abc-news-topstories.html
Houston mayor defends decision not to issue evacuation order
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/houston-mayor-defends-decision-not-issue-evacuation-order-201504169--abc-news-topstories.html
Even NYC has evacuation plans but everyone knows that's fantasy. I think the mayor is right.
I can't imagine when Harvey was predicted to be a Cat 3 meaning that devastating damage is likely and added to that they predicted a 12-15 ft. storm surge; which in itself devastating he did nothing. Having been through several hurricanes, him not encouraging people to evacuate is unacceptable. Even before it hit land it was upgraded to a Cat 4 meaning that catastrophic damage is likely, then they announced a higher storm surge and up to 30 inches of rain. At that point (if there was time to get out) to not to declare a mandatory evacuation is absolutely unacceptable. He stated that sometimes the evacuation makes things worse. B.S. He and his team of people weren't properly prepared and rather than make some type of attempt to get the people out ahead of the storm, he did nothing. Meanwhile, these people are still getting pummeled with rain and rising water. This makes me angry. It's not like TX has never had a hurricane or two to deal with and he should have known!
On the lighter side; obviously a dog in TX knew it was time to head out (bag of dog food in mouth).
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https://www.rt.com/viral/401059-otis-hurricane-harvey-dog/
I disagree. They knew the storm was coming. The national guard was called in. You start announcements to evacuate and you start sending in buses, school buses, whatever you may have available; you open up the expressway and roadways to go one way on a path out -- you take people to the closest area that is figured to be safe and you put them up in their shelters, hotels, arenas, schools, etc. It's been done in other parts of the country. So instead of evacuating people he left people in harms way with no way to get out. They are now stuck with rising water and additional rain fall for days. Yes, no one knew it was going to be a Cat 4 with this much rain and a higher than expected storm surge, but when you have a Cat 3 coming at you, you don't just sit there and do nothing! It boils down to they were absolutely unprepared - shame on them!
You say you have been thru several hurricanes. Then you should know that evacuations are only declared for the population living in areas affected by storm surge. This storm was not predicted to strike Houston so the surge in the local area was to be minimal. Houston is some miles from the gulf and storm surge only affects a small population, even with a direct strike. Evacuations are not to be taken lightly. Evacuations can also cause more deaths than shelters in place. Just look at the deaths that have taken place in prior evacuations. Homes flood even by tropical depressions. Mandatory Evacuation? Get Real!
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@libertybele, anyone who wanted to evacuate could have. I didn't even consider evacuating (due to my location), but if I had, I wouldn't have known which way to go since the storm was predicted to be a threat all the way from Central Texas to Louisiana. The coastal communities would have to be the first to leave. Galvestonians could only leave via one Interstate (I-45) because the other ways off the island were slow (ferry) or ill-advised because of where the storm was headed (San Luis Pass). Then you work inland from there. Hitchcock, Santa Fe, La Marque, Texas City, Dickinson, League City, Webster, Clear Lake, etc. Eventually you can let Houstonians evacuate. There simply wasn't enough time for such an evacuation. Perhaps if there had been a couple of weeks to corral the citizens, there may have been a way. I'm with Mayor Turner on this. I was ineligible to vote for him since I'm not in Harris County, but had I been eligible, I would not have. But he's right on this.
Here in FL many of us live in flood zones so of course storm surge is always a concern. However, the initial concern is always the strength (winds) of the hurricane itself and as a rule the storm surge generally follows. Yep, Huston is miles inland, and I am certainly not an expert, but I find it hard to believe that with the storm surge that was first predicted, they didn't have a clue that Huston could be in trouble. The forecasters have wind models and storm surge models and go through the various scenarios. Yes, mandatory evacuation -- I've seen it several times. Does everyone comply? Of course not. Yes the evacuations are given ahead of time and we've evacuated a couple of times only to be relieved that a hurricane didn't hit or wasn't as strong as predicted. I'd rather go through the headache and time of boarding up my home and heading out than being sorry I didn't leave and stuck in a home that has been demolished and having rising waters and no where to go. No plan is perfect and hurricanes are absolutely unpredictable; but it is better to overestimate the strength and damage coming than under estimate it.
I didn't realize that Mayberry was in Flurida.
Dickinson is devastated. 8888crybaby
I can't imagine when Harvey was predicted to be a Cat 3 meaning that devastating damage is likely and added to that they predicted a 12-15 ft. storm surge; which in itself devastating he did nothing. Having been through several hurricanes, him not encouraging people to evacuate is unacceptable. Even before it hit land it was upgraded to a Cat 4 meaning that catastrophic damage is likely, then they announced a higher storm surge and up to 30 inches of rain. At that point (if there was time to get out) to not to declare a mandatory evacuation is absolutely unacceptable. He stated that sometimes the evacuation makes things worse. B.S. He and his team of people weren't properly prepared and rather than make some type of attempt to get the people out ahead of the storm, he did nothing. Meanwhile, these people are still getting pummeled with rain and rising water. This makes me angry. It's not like TX has never had a hurricane or two to deal with and he should have known!My sister tells me that stupid mayor put out messages to directly contradict the Governor. maybe BLM doesn't mater to him?
Hard to imagine we have this much more rain yet to come:
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Things have changed around here. The Brazos was previously forecast to peak at 55 feet here. The new forecast is 59 feet on Tuesday and our levee is at 58 feet. Sigh. If things don't change, we will be bugging out tomorrow, but I'm not sure how we are expected to get out. Said there would be proposed evacuation routes. As long as I'm with hubby and my doggies, I can deal. I'm finding out what is important and what isn't. God will provide.
Things have changed around here. The Brazos was previously forecast to peak at 55 feet here. The new forecast is 59 feet on Tuesday and our levee is at 58 feet. Sigh. If things don't change, we will be bugging out tomorrow, but I'm not sure how we are expected to get out. Said there would be proposed evacuation routes. As long as I'm with hubby and my doggies, I can deal. I'm finding out what is important and what isn't. God will provide.
God be with you. We evacuated from Rosharon to a friends camping trailer in their driveway in Sienna Plantation, Missouri City. The 59 ft @ Richmond is going to put more than the Sienna Levees were designed to hold (100 year flood design). So we may be evacuating again tomorrow. The 59 ft is expected Tuesday evening. I understand Greatwood Levees won't hold up to that either.
@GrouchoTex I read earlier that Addicks Reservoir is full and they are beginning to release water from it, you heard that?
@GrouchoTex I read earlier that Addicks Reservoir is full and they are beginning to release water from it, you heard that?@corbe
God be with you. We evacuated from Rosharon to a friends camping trailer in their driveway in Sienna Plantation, Missouri City. The 59 ft @ Richmond is going to put more than the Sienna Levees were designed to hold (100 year flood design). So we may be evacuating again tomorrow. The 59 ft is expected Tuesday evening. I understand Greatwood Levees won't hold up to that either.
Apparently New Orleans didn't learn their lesson from Katrina... there's a story on Fox talking about how they are preparing for floods from Harvey amid pump failures. *****rollingeyes*****
@thackney
How are you holding out?
http://www.houstonpress.com/news/how-addicks-and-barker-reservoirs-are-handling-tropical-storm-harvey-9740819 (http://www.houstonpress.com/news/how-addicks-and-barker-reservoirs-are-handling-tropical-storm-harvey-9740819)
Releasing from Addicts first. 2AM Monday morning.
Barker release a day later.
Releases into Buffalo Bayou.
Still have power and no flooding, but I can't get out.
For those of you familiar with the area, I am about a mile north of the old Imperial Sugar plant.
@GrouchoTex
We got the animals out yesterday. We got out this morning. Worried we may have to evac again hunting higher ground and open places to stay.
As it is I am not able to get far off my hill in any direction.
Apparently New Orleans didn't learn their lesson from Katrina... there's a story on Fox talking about how they are preparing for floods from Harvey amid pump failures.
That's bad... All except the hill part...
@GrouchoTex
We got the animals out yesterday. We got out this morning. Worried we may have to evac again hunting higher ground and open places to stay.
@GrouchoTex
How does W. Airport Blvd. look?
@GrouchoTex
We got the animals out yesterday. We got out this morning. Worried we may have to evac again hunting higher ground and open places to stay.
Last I heard, not good from 59 going east.
Death Toll Rises to 5, Worst is Still to Come as Historic Houston Flooding Continues
Weather.com; Aug 27, 2017, 09:30 PM EDT
Catastrophic flooding from Tropical Storm Harvey that has left at least five dead continued to deluge Houston Sunday, prompting thousands of water rescues and placing a strain on available rescue assets.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has activated 3,000 national and state guard members after Harvey dumped more than two feet of rain on Houston metro, causing historic flooding from rainfall that has been characterized by the National Weather Service as "beyond anything experienced before."
After a break earlier this evening, a heavy band of rain capable of dumping 2 to 3 inches per hour will impact the Houston metro area through 1-2 a.m. local time, according to weather.com meteorologist Brian Dongan. A flash flood emergency is in effect until 1:15 a.m. as catastrophic flash flooding continues.
Lots more: https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/hurricane-harvey-houston-texas-flooding
What about near Dairy-Ashford?
As Harvey floods rise in Texas, Cajun Navy is 'on the way'
NOLA Times-Picayune, Aug 27, 2017, 8:37 PM
Members of the Cajun Navy volunteer groups are stepping up to assist flood-stricken residents, as people bound for Texas post on Facebook that help is on the way.
Although unofficial and organized through several online groups, the Cajun Navy is comprised of grassroots volunteers who came to be known by a collective name after the Louisiana Flood of 2016 prompted hundreds of leisure boat owners to band together and perform search and rescue operations.
Tropical Storm Harvey continues to inundate southeast Texas, and the growing need for water rescues has prompted volunteer rescuers into action. Online posts from Facebook and Twitter display how volunteers are mobilizing to reach flood-affected Texans on Sunday (Aug. 27).
Sharing a post about the Cajun Navy on his Twitter account, Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards sent his best wishes with the volunteers. "Good luck to the #CajunNavy headed to help our neighbors in Texas," he wrote.
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More: http://www.nola.com/hurricane/index.ssf/2017/08/cajun_navy_goes_to_texas.html
I posted several charity organization links on the forum page for those interested.
God Speed to all.
My sister tells me that stupid mayor put out messages to directly contradict the Governor. maybe BLM doesn't mater to him?
(https://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_34/2134036/170827-hurricane-harvey-se-111a_f7fdb70d0229c622915f52659227cf2d.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg)That picture is just a few blocks from where I used to live in Houston prior to moving out 2 years ago.
God be with you. We evacuated from Rosharon to a friends camping trailer in their driveway in Sienna Plantation, Missouri City. The 59 ft @ Richmond is going to put more than the Sienna Levees were designed to hold (100 year flood design). So we may be evacuating again tomorrow. The 59 ft is expected Tuesday evening. I understand Greatwood Levees won't hold up to that either.We all wish you well @thackney and you have a place to return to when the waters recede.
Apparently New Orleans didn't learn their lesson from Katrina... there's a story on Fox talking about how they are preparing for floods from Harvey amid pump failures. *****rollingeyes*****
...hmm...did some back tracking. Harvey developed into a tropical storm on August 17 -- it actually weakened into a tropical wave on August 19 -- it redeveloped on August 23 to hurricane strength and by the next day Harvey intensified, and reached Cat. 4 strength and on the eve of August 25 hit Rockport. Hurricanes are unpredictable. Once Harvey became a hurricane it moved and strengthened at incredible speed -- the people roughly had a day or a day and a half at best to prepare and evacuate. Not a whole lot of time at all. The governor encourage people to get out. If indeed the major discouraged people that is an atrocity; that would be like encouraging people to stay in a burning building because along the escape route they may encounter other burning buildings.
HOUSTON: Flooding along key city bayou hits ‘catastrophic’ levels
American Statesman, Aug 28, 2017
1:15 a.m. update: The Army Corps of Engineers began to open two far west Harris County dams hours ahead of schedule, which will eventually add a torrent of water — tens of thousands of gallons of water per second — onto an already flooded major city bayou.
Officials in Harris County opened the Addicks and Barker dams at 11:59 p.m., releasing 800 cubic feet of water per second, per second into a swollen Buffalo Bayou, which has already spilled over its banks and into neighborhoods across Houston. That relative trickle will build to a gusher over the next 6 to 8 hours, eventually topping out at 8,000 cubic feet of water — roughly 60,000 gallons — of water flowing into the bayou every second.
The Corps opened both dams far earlier than the 2 a.m. opening initially planned for Addicks and nearly 12 hours before the 11 a.m. time initially scheduled for Barker.
“There’s just the changing weather conditions,” said Army Corps of Engineers spokesman Randy Cephus, pinning the dramatic timetable change to heavy rains to the north. “More recent modeling led us to make this decision at this time.”
At an earlier news conference, Harris County officials said the influx of additional water into the bayou would only amount to a marginal increase in the amount of water already flowing.
More: http://www.statesman.com/weather/hurricanes/houston-flooding-along-key-city-bayou-hits-catastrophic-levels/prtx1Xazhy56VkDci4jLZN/
This is a veary good tool for those in Fort Bend County.
Interactive Map for Evacuation Zones
http://fbcoem.org/map-for-evacuation-zones-mapa-de-zonas-de-evacuacion/
No, 1.5 days to evacuate 6.75 million people? Not possible. Even if all of them had reliable cars, and they were sitting them, all packed and fueled up, they wouldn't have been able to evacuate before the hurricane hit. Would they have been safer stuck in the middle of a massive traffic jam when it hit? It's not simply encountering a burning building; it's winds and flooding.
Last report I heard said there were 14 pumps down. Seriously, how IS this possible????
Last report I heard said there were 14 pumps down. Seriously, how IS this possible????
Hey folks, am back. Relocated to one of the other residences. Didn't want the cabin fever associated with 20- 40 inches of rain.
Now..... Is everyone ready for the best news in days on this sorry storm. Check out the dry air intrusion (Yellow) into the storm. Hopefully this will squeeze out the P out the Preciptable potential of this sucker. Sure not out of the woods, but some nice glimmers.
I'm afraid that one man's blessing may be another man's curse as the bulk of the rain looks like it's leaving our area and heading to Louisiana.
I'm afraid that one man's blessing may be another man's curse as the bulk of the rain looks like it's leaving our area and heading to Louisiana.
East and north of here are flooded.**nononono*
With the addicks and Barker reservoirs, and the Brazos river issues. South, west and northwest will be flooded too.
Releasing water from addicks and barker now.
Last report I heard said there were 14 pumps down. Seriously, how IS this possible????Possible because of Democrats. They'd rather spend money removing historical monuments.
Hey folks, am back. Relocated to one of the other residences. Didn't want the cabin fever associated with 20- 40 inches of rain.
Now..... Is everyone ready for the best news in days on this sorry storm. Check out the dry air intrusion (Yellow) into the storm. Hopefully this will squeeze out the P out the Preciptable potential of this sucker. Sure not out of the woods, but some nice glimmers.
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Prayers for those in TX and those especially in Houston ....
Lord God, we pray for relief for those impacted by Harvey and ask that further rainfall is minimal in Houston and the surrounding areas. We ask for protection for those who have lost their homes, for those affected by flooding, and for those who will be affected in the days ahead.
Please bless and protect the first responders, agencies and volunteers working to rescue and bring hope to South Texas.
In Jesus Name,
Amen
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Saw were a Buc-ess let emergency personnel in to stay the night. And they can eat and drink on Buc-ess.
Don't know where this is tho.
I just saw a Facebook post on the wife's phone the Beltwat 8 and Memorial drive collapsed. Can anyone confirm?
I just saw a Facebook post on the wife's phone the Beltwat 8 and Memorial drive collapsed. Can anyone confirm?
We have evacuated to a local high school. All is well.Glad you are safe. Prayers for all affected.
We have evacuated to a local high school. All is well.
East and north of here are flooded.
With the addicks and Barker reservoirs, and the Brazos river issues. South, west and northwest will be flooded too.
Releasing water from addicks and barker now.
Governor Abbott has activated total Texas Guard- 12000 strong!
**nononono*
We have evacuated to a local high school. All is well.
We have evacuated to a local high school. All is well.
Governor Abbott has activated total Texas Guard- 12000 strong!
Governor Abbott has activated total Texas Guard- 12000 strong!
Yup my son-in-law just got called by the 1SG and was told to get his butt to Lubbock...it's all hands on deck to go down there and help out.
Convoy from Lubbock. Damn long ride.
Convoy from Lubbock. Damn long ride.
Yup my son-in-law just got called by the 1SG and was told to get his butt to Lubbock...
That picture is just a few blocks from where I used to live in Houston prior to moving out 2 years ago.Braeswood, is where the Astrodome was. Used to be the Fluor Houston Bldg., which had the entire basement flooded late 70s/early 80s.
Tell me about it, my daughter just started at Tech and it seems the drive back to Dallas takes forever.
I did it (Keller-Lubbock) every 6 weeks for 12 years. Never found a decent route.... and I think I tried all 2 of them! :shrug: Well 3.... ifin you count the times I had to go to Amarillo 1st!
I think they might have finally opened a third route...but I'm not sure. I drove to Austin from Midland once a month for my Guard drills.
Longest military I had to drive in was from Ft. Stewart Georgia to West Palm Beach Florida after Hurricane Andrew...painful doesn't begin to describe it LOL!
We have evacuated to a local high school. All is well.
**nononono*
@Bigun
Stay safe...my friend, I'm hoping to have a beer with you and your best in 2024
Maybe we should plan a briefer get together at the eclipse!
Are they serving lunch in the cafeteria?
Seriously. You have food and stuff?
I brought some granola bars and they are passing out snacks like chips, crackers, etc and some fruit. Don't feel like eating, though.Keep your strength up. You don't need to get sick on top of other things.
I brought some granola bars and they are passing out snacks like chips, crackers, etc and some fruit. Don't feel like eating, though.
Just got the call. My shop is closed until the day after Labor Day.
It's in Katy, and none of us can get there.
Governor Abbott has activated total Texas Guard- 12000 strong!
We made a second evacuation, out of Sienna Plantation and into higher ground in Missouri City, Quail Valley.
Maybe we should plan a briefer get together at the eclipse!
We made a second evacuation, out of Sienna Plantation and into higher ground in Missouri City, Quail Valley.
Braeswood, is where the Astrodome was. Used to be the Fluor Houston Bldg., which had the entire basement flooded late 70s/early 80s.
Question: Don't they have historic flooding maps of lowest lying areas, which could have been evacuated?
Seems like the Houston is another dumb ass.......
We made a second evacuation, out of Sienna Plantation and into higher ground in Missouri City, Quail Valley.Hope it is far enough...
Braeswood, is where the Astrodome was. Used to be the Fluor Houston Bldg., which had the entire basement flooded late 70s/early 80s.
Question: Don't they have historic flooding maps of lowest lying areas, which could have been evacuated?
Seems like the Houston is another dumb ass.......
Disagree.
More died during the evacuation of Rita than during this once in a lifetime event, so far, at least.
How would you go about evacuating 6.5 million residents safely?
Disagree.The idea of picking the most flood prone areas is that you evacuate by area, with the most vulnerable areas evacuated first.
More died during the evacuation of Rita than during this once in a lifetime event, so far, at least.
How would you go about evacuating 6.5 million residents safely?
The idea of picking the most flood prone areas is that you evacuate by area, with the most vulnerable areas evacuated first.
If an area flooded in a lesser event, they go out first.
If it didn't, they go later.
Hopefully, that way mass panic can be avoided and the evacuation can be stretched out some while getting those most likely to be flooded out relocated first.
You have to understand the size and length of this thing.I heard one guy talking about a 'thousand year event', and that says a lot. Is the whole town inundated or are there some high areas in Houston that are still above the floods (aside from interchanges and overpasses)?
Places that haven't flooded before, and weren't expected to, are seeing water.
Coast was evacuated before landfall.
Warning was issued for people to get out of areas that are prone to flooding.
We are seeing flooding everywhere.
I heard one guy talking about a 'thousand year event', and that says a lot. Is the whole town inundated or are there some high areas in Houston that are still above the floods (aside from interchanges and overpasses)?
It sounds like the warnings to evacuate were staged to some extent, just that the storm was underestimated.
I think they might have finally opened a third route...but I'm not sure. I drove to Austin from Midland once a month for my Guard drills.Poplar Bluff, MO to Fort Stewart for AT is a LONG drive. Worse part was going down hill after Chattanooga with a bunch of old semi rigs (M55 tractor trucks).
Longest military I had to drive in was from Ft. Stewart Georgia to West Palm Beach Florida after Hurricane Andrew...painful doesn't begin to describe it LOL!
Poplar Bluff, MO to Fort Stewart for AT is a LONG drive. Worse part was going down hill after Chattanooga with a bunch of old semi rigs (M55 tractor trucks).
The idea of picking the most flood prone areas is that you evacuate by area, with the most vulnerable areas evacuated first.
If an area flooded in a lesser event, they go out first.
If it didn't, they go later.
Hopefully, that way mass panic can be avoided and the evacuation can be stretched out some while getting those most likely to be flooded out relocated first.
I heard one guy talking about a 'thousand year event', and that says a lot. Is the whole town inundated or are there some high areas in Houston that are still above the floods (aside from interchanges and overpasses)?
It sounds like the warnings to evacuate were staged to some extent, just that the storm was underestimated.
No, the whole town is not inundated. But yes there are large areas that are. The Houston metroplex is 1,660 sq. miles. And this storm has affected much more than Houston. I do not know the percentage of inundated areas, but it has affected a lot of people and their homes and businesses.Just from what I could catch, the devastation and flooding cover a massive area. Short of aerial shots, I don't think people will be able to comprehend it, if then. There is a lot of land between Downtown and the coast, and that's just part of the affected area, going clear around to Corpus Christi and east into Louisiana. The storm isn't over yet, either.
You have to understand the size and length of this thing.
Places that haven't flooded before, and weren't expected to, are seeing water.
Coast was evacuated before landfall.
Warning was issued for people to get out of areas that are prone to flooding.
We are seeing flooding everywhere.
Most of the greater Houston area is above the flooding. Lots of areas have the roads out blocked. Lots of pockets of low elevation or bottled-necked draining have flooded. Very widespread. Dayton (NE of Houston) has now recorded 40 inches of rain.
http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/nfdscc1.html
The Harris County Flood Warning System. Says it will let you check flood stage and bayou levels not just in Houston but in the entire area.Connection failed to load, and I won't load up their server with multiple requests. Other people need that data far more than I do.
https://www.harriscountyfws.org/GageDetail
I get that. In the same light hurricanes are very unpredictable -- the meteorologists/scientists, etc., have all kinds of computer models that the use to project the path and size of the storm. After hurricane Charley they began to calculate the storm surge separately. I find it hard to believe that with the size and intensity of this storm and while predicting it would make its way along the coast and possibly the coast of Louisiana that they didn't know that they had a monster storm headed their way. Yes it intensified very rapidly, but they should have begun evacuating when they realized it was barreling towards the coast at an unprecedented speed. The mayor of Huston needs his butt handed to him. If it were true that they didn't know how big it was going to be, how in the world were they able to predict that the storm was going to linger, the amount of rainfall it would bring, the amount of storm surge and the possibility it may go out into the Gulf and come back? They knew. The governor tried to evacuate, and the mayor of Huston ignored him and he and his cronies mocked the governor.There was a high pressure ridge to the NW, and a high to the NE, the storm was headed into that pocket of high pressure, so stalling near the coast was pretty much predictable. Sure, the weathermen screw it up from time to time, but this one was not too hard to see coming, even if the intensity was unprecedented.
There was a high pressure ridge to the NW, and a high to the NE, the storm was headed into that pocket of high pressure, so stalling near the coast was pretty much predictable. Sure, the weathermen screw it up from time to time, but this one was not too hard to see coming, even if the intensity was unprecedented.
It is a tough call, though and I won't second-guess anyone until I find out they knew more in time to do something about it.
A massive evacuation will cost everyone in lost revenue, probably kill a certain number of people just in traffic accidents, and expose a lot of businesses and homes to looters, so that has the onus of being a serious political liability if it proves unnecessary. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Connection failed to load, and I won't load up their server with multiple requests. Other people need that data far more than I do.
Exactly. I don't think it's possible without a good week's worth of warning.
100 % correct
Can be 2nd guessed, no matter which way it went.
At any rate, praying for those in Huston and the surrounding area and prayers for all those going in for the rescues.
@Sanguine
@GrouchoTex
Y'all are right.
What I envision when people talk of a mandatory or even wide-spread evacuation of Houston is I-45 in Rita except on the south side of Houston. You have absolutely got to let the coastal areas get through Houston first (can anyone say "storm surge?"), and that in itself is a logistical nightmare. Not until those areas have dispersed should Houston even consider implementing an official evacuation.
As someone who has inhabited the coastal towns most of my life, I'm a little concerned about all the insistence that Houston should have called for an official evacuation. If hurricanes moved more predictably and gave us more time to plan and scoot out of harm's way, this wouldn't really be a discussion. But they don't, and that's just the nature of the beast. In truth, Houston is where we always evacuated to when running from these storms. Now you say we can't seek safety from the storm surge in Houston? I'm not on board with that, and I'm not happy that this whole thing seems to have political roots.
I have property on the bank of the Trinity north of Dayton in Dayton Lakes. It'll be a good while before I'll be able to make it back up there. River's out of its banks.
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=HGX&gage=LBYT2 (http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=HGX&gage=LBYT2)
Braeswood, is where the Astrodome was. Used to be the Fluor Houston Bldg., which had the entire basement flooded late 70s/early 80s.Ever watch the building going on near beaches after they get hit by hurricanes? Happens again and again wherever you look.
Question: Don't they have historic flooding maps of lowest lying areas, which could have been evacuated?
Seems like the Houston is another dumb ass.......
Keeping all of my fellow Texans that are being affected by this storm in my prayers.What I am hoping is that people , instead of going outside in a bad element, relearn card games and talking to each other without outside disturbances like television cell phones or emails.
Be safe and don't try to be a hero.
We made a second evacuation, out of Sienna Plantation and into higher ground in Missouri City, Quail Valley.That is your old stomping ground, as I recall. Mine too.
What I am hoping is that people , instead of going outside in a bad element, relearn card games and talking to each other without outside disturbances like television cell phones or emails.
Help is coming in from many places, far away.
https://www.facebook.com/FDNY/posts/10155501008945729
The New York Task Force-1 team is a compilation of FDNY and NYPD members, all from Special Operations. We're being deployed from New York City to Texas to help in rescue and recovery. We are set to stage in San Antonio and we're going to await orders depending on the severity of the damage. We are set up for all types of rescues, including swiftwater rescues. We have a compilation of tools that include boats, motors, dry suits, rescue equipment for collapsed structures, rope equipment for confined spaces, and a large compilation of Haz-Mat equipment and tools. We're also supplied with a large, self-sufficient cache of food and supplies that make us sustainable for up to 72 hours in a row. I believe we're ready to face any danger," says FDNY Battalion Chief Jack Flatley, Task Force Leader of New York City’s elite Urban Search and Rescue Team (USAR) NY Task Force-1, which was deployed in the early hours of Sunday, August 27, to assist those affected by Hurricane Harvey. The team is comprised of FDNY and NYPD members trained to respond to catastrophic events, and it has been activated in the past to assist with emergency response throughout the world, including Hurricane Katrina and the 2010 earthquake in Haiti. In 2016, the team rescued/removed over 100 people affected by Hurricane Matthew in North Carolina. FDNY Rescue Paramedic Silvana Uzcategui says, "We are trained to save lives before patients are extricated from natural or man-made disasters. Our role in Texas is to provide medical care, to take care of civilians and the task force members. We're in the disaster zone. We're expecting torrential rains, winds, floods, and chaotic conditions. We're ready for it.
That is your old stomping ground, as I recall. Mine too.
Peace be with you, bro.
I heard one guy talking about a 'thousand year event', and that says a lot. Is the whole town inundated or are there some high areas in Houston that are still above the floods (aside from interchanges and overpasses)?The highest I heard was five hundred. What is mostly happening is that basically Houston is flat. It has massive drainage in its Bayous which are cement lined to transport lots of rainwater, but the deluge going on has overwhelmed them. The tributaries going into the Bayous are backed up which are then backing up storm sewers into the streets.
It sounds like the warnings to evacuate were staged to some extent, just that the storm was underestimated.
The highest I heard was five hundred. What is mostly happening is that basically Houston is flat. It has massive drainage in its Bayous which are cement lined to transport lots of rainwater, but the deluge going on has overwhelmed them. The tributaries going into the Bayous are backed up which are then backing up storm sewers into the streets.
Also, neighborhoods not flooded are trapped by nearby streets that have water over them so people cannot move out anyway.
Brazos County Judge Robert Hebert told reporters the forecast crest represented a high not seen in at least 800 years.
"What we're seeing is the most devastating flood event in Houston's recorded history," said Steve Bowen, chief meteorologist at reinsurance company Aon Benfield.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/28/reuters-america-update-3-houston-crippled-by-catastrophic-flooding-with-more-rain-on-the-way.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/28/reuters-america-update-3-houston-crippled-by-catastrophic-flooding-with-more-rain-on-the-way.html)
Just to give you an idea of how big of an area is affected:Well they say everything is bigger in Texas, unfortunately that got applied to this damn storm. Continued prayers for all those affected, Man and Beast.
You could fit the area of the city limits of Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia and Baltimore and still not cover all of Houston city limits.
.....And Houston is not the only area affected.
Let face facts.
We live on a volatile planet.
Full of beauty and wonder, but it can be a violent place.
Before insurance people moved. After the Government stepped in...people rebuilt and rebuiltYet, where are you 100 percent safe, anywhere?
... bottom line is we have a whole lot of people needing help and a state that has been devastated. I feel that the mayor put more in jeopardy than was needed and he should accept blame for going against the recommendations of the governor of the State.Agreed!
At any rate, praying for those in Huston and the surrounding area and prayers for all those going in for the rescues.
Before insurance people moved. After the Government stepped in...people rebuilt and rebuiltThat happened when 5K beach cottages suddenly became worth multiples of that. Hurricane would wipe them out, Insurance would pay on current market value. Rebuild, as the real estate price keeps going up and wait for the next storm...
Agreed!
Yet, where are you 100 percent safe, anywhere?
Maybe if you are a liberal on a college campus, you can get a safe space, but that's about it.
Not sure of your tone. Could be you agree. Could be you don't... That being said...Risk is Risk. Why should the Gov Underwrite it.
https://spacecityweather.com/addressing-the-zombie-hurricane-harvey-scenario/ (https://spacecityweather.com/addressing-the-zombie-hurricane-harvey-scenario/)
Today, there has been a lot of chatter on social media about the potential for the remnants of Harvey to move offshore into the Gulf of Mexico by around Monday, whereupon it might strengthen into a hurricane again and make a second landfall over Houston. This is obviously a scary scenario, but frankly it’s not one we’re losing too much sleep about here. The main threat for Houston remains heavy rains and inland flooding. But let’s discuss this anyway, because we’ve had a lot of questions regarding it.
For readers who been with us a few days, you’ll recall that we’ve been discussing the “Euro special” scenario since Thursday. The idea is that a drifting Harvey would wander southeast this weekend, and move back over the Gulf of Mexico. That seems increasingly likely to occur, although it’s far from locked in. Even with the European model, which has most consistently held to this solution, only about two-thirds of the ensemble members have the storm offshore on Tuesday.
While the center may move offshore for a day or two, the fact remains that Harvey no longer has an inner core, and what remains of it will deteriorate further while it is over land Sunday and at least part of Monday. This, along with its proximity to land, should limit intensification. In the official National Hurricane Center forecast released Sunday afternoon, hurricane scientists predicted that it may attain 45 mph winds offshore, but was not likely to strengthen further.
We do agree on this.
:beer:
Not sure what my tone is either, but I'd figure it's off key.
Lets sing off key together! :beer: Know any sea shanties? **nononono*
Lets sing off key together! :beer: Know any sea shanties? **nononono*Why don't you guys try this one?
Sorry, @libertybele and @Smokin JoeI wasn't saying whether the Mayor should have ordered people out or not. People do ignore mandatory evac orders, too.
I agree with both of you on a lot of things, but not this.
Information was provided and people made their choice, as it should be.
We are conservatives, right?
We embrace the ability of people to have the freedom to make their own decisions, without Government interference, even if that means they have the right to choose poorly.
Private property rights and individual rights are still a tenet of what makes us unique as a nation.
Lets sing off key together! :beer: Know any sea shanties? **nononono*Who's that knocking at my door?
I wasn't saying whether the Mayor should have ordered people out or not. People do ignore mandatory evac orders, too.
The implications of predicting natural events are much the same for any urban area or event, be that a storm, an earthquake, or a volcanic eruption. Predict it, and there will be a certain number of people who get killed in the panic to evacuate, ordered or otherwise. Businesses will shut down, people leave, and those businesses will be even more susceptible to looters than they would be otherwise, ditto upscale (or for that matter, ANY) homes.
If you are right, and the prediction comes to pass, there will be devastation.
If you are wrong, and it doesn't, the death and destruction will be laid at your doorstep, along with any loss of revenue from the interruption in business.
It's why geologists don't usually predict volcanic eruptions or earthquakes, except in a general way. And why mayors might be slow to call for evacuation. The only way you are a 'good guy' is if the worst case comes to pass and you predict it or nothing happens and you didn't call for evacuation. Any other combination of events and you are the lame duck.
People are allegedly educated, so provide the information, even assign likelyhood of adverse events, and let them act accordingly. Short of a volunteer brown water navy, picking people off of rooftops by helo gets expensive, as does providing shelter for the masses. Far cheaper to let them haul themselves and their stuff out of harm's way.
People have a right to be stupid, but that doesn't mean we have to subsidize it. If an area is extremely high risk, maybe the owner won't be able to get insurance. It's up to them to rebuild on their dime or sell the land for a park after getting paid for the previous dwelling by the insurance company that will no longer underwrite it.
You want that beach house on the cape, don't come crying to me when the hurricane hits to pay to rebuild it. Especially at six figures or more. So that's where I am coming from. People are ultimately responsible for their own fate.
@CatherineofAragon
@roamer_1
@INVAR
@txradioguy
@Freya
About Governor Abbott and the mayor of Houston and the county judge of Harris County.
Abbott made it clear today that evacuation orders are not determined by him. It is the responsibility of the Houston mayor and county judge regarding evacuation. Both the county judge and mayor agreed. That is the beginning and ending of it. If the citizens of Houston don't want the mayor, they can vote for someone else next time. If they don't want the county judge, they can vote for someone else next time.
I lived a few blocks from Hwy. 45 in Conroe. Days before Rita Hurricane, the evacuation order was made that people had to leave Galveston and Houston. I saw cars stopped on 45 all the way through Conroe. Whoever was in charge, had put barriers at every exit. No car was allowed to exit in Conroe - they were forced to stay on that highway They were not moving, period. Cars ran out of gas and littered the highway. They could be dying from no water but they could not get off that highway due to the barriers.
After people died on the highway, the next hurricane was Ike. No demand was made to evacuate due to how bad the Rita evacuation was.
Changes were made by Gov. Perry after Rita. Refueling trucks were stationed on the exit highways to give free gas to anyone who ran out of gas. Contra flow lanes were designated if evacuation had to happen.
With this present hurricane that blew up within one/two days, no forced evacuation could happen. Millions cannot get out in one day. Had there been more days of notice, the more vulnerable could have been taken out first in buses, then the next group could go out and so on, supported by the gasoline trucks.
The mayor of Houston doesn't seem to be very bright, but with only really just one day to evacuate people, it was not going to happen if he was the brightest tack in the box.
All manner of emergencies and how to deal with them is in my freaking book. Be sure you get one before North Korea sends a nuke into our atomosphere and explodes it, creating an NEMP (Nuclear Electromagnetic Pulse). Now, I have to get back to writing the Index at the back of the freaking book.
Two more mandatory evacuations announced due to levee issues.
Applause! Applause! Applause! Applause! Applause!
They must know where the lowest areas are and just ask those to evacuate, not the entire city. You would also think cities like this would have a massive fleet of shallow water boats ready to go.
Well they say everything is bigger in Texas, unfortunately that got applied to this damn storm. Continued prayers for all those affected, Man and Beast.
They must know where the lowest areas are and just ask those to evacuate, not the entire city. You would also think cities like this would have a massive fleet of shallow water boats ready to go.
Now that something we havn't heard much about "Beast". The numbets of pets and livestock that must have been affected by this must be huge.
Probably unnecessary... Unlike back east, out west, every redneck boy for miles around has a shallow water boat (read bass boat, duck boat), not to mention small craft from the beaches...
All you'd have to do is send out a call, and promise beer, pulled pork sammiches, and a place to bunk up at the end of the day, and they'll all come a'runnin... Or Texas ain't as much like the Rockies as I think it is (which can't be true)
Just say no to big government.
You may feel free to purchase and donate a massive fleet of shallow water boats, if you like.
Should California be mandated to install fire sprinklers, in all the forest, to keep the dangers from forest fires down?
So where did I say anything about mandates?
And why is it you have fire stations and firefighting equipment if you want to say no to "big government" on basic equipment to address the reoccurring threats you have?
You have resources on hand for the sort of natural threats your area faces at your own areas expense. No less, no more.
Now that something we havn't heard much about "Beast". The numbets of pets and livestock that must have been affected by this must be huge.Pets, livestock and all the earthbound creatures of the wild that couldn't possibly escape what was happening, nature will have a huge vacum to fill once the waters recede.
It is pretty much the truth here. Most of the rescues you are seeing on TV are done by other residents, and people with boats coming in from out of the area with boats.
FYI, we prefer smoked Beef Brisket over pulled pork any day, and every Texan knows this.
@GrouchoTex
I figured so... Knew it to be so... and I only called y'all on the carpet as a matter of form. Western / Southern folks are much the same everywhere, and Texas is both... Even if you do bend your hats funny ;)
LOL! I ain't had pig in my mouth since my birthday 5 years ago.
Round here, if bad stuff happens, emergency and rescue is normally based out of the fairgrounds, and of course, the facilities are geared for fairgrounds fare, so that's what you get. 'Pulled Pork Sammiches' would merely be symbolic of that fare, though largely present therein.
I tend toward beef, elk, and venison...
As for hats, I'll quote Lyle Lovett.
It never complains
It never cries
It looks so good
And it fits just right
You said the city should have a massive fleet of shallow boats.
What does that suggest?
How massive?
At whose expense?
Tax, mandate, or fine people who don't own boats in flood prone areas?
= big government.
I get it.
Everyone is reacting to the horror they are seeing, and basically saying " someone should do something ".
It is understandable.
This is unprecedented.
We can all 2nd guess this, but this isn't normal, by any stretch of the imagination.
The loss of life has been remarkably low, considering.
Something is going right in all of this.
@GrouchoTex
That's it... I think it's the wind down there... That'd be why all y'all taco the sides up, or do that Oklahoma curl...
Up here a Gus style hat (also called a Montana crease), and the brim is laid wide and bent front and back... Keeps the snow off of ya. Wind ain't as much a thing.
Shallow water flat bottom boats are cheap and last a long time in storage. Not exactly a large expense for something that seems to happen often enough to justify them. Who should pay for it, the people who live there. People who live in snow country pay for snow equipment. People who live in fire country pay for forest fire equipment including aircraft that fight fire. It comes with where you choose to live. It is incumbent on the community to prepare for what nature dishes out in a foreseeable way in their area - and not the rest of the country. And no, I don't want to mandate any of this. Some things are just common sense or suffer the consequences. Their choice.
My two cents:
First of all, this isn't something that came out of nowhere. Last Wednesday when Harvey was still a tropical depression, reports were warning of up to 30 inches of rain for the Texas coast including Houston. So for those who say there was no time because Harvey became a Cat 3 hurricane in less than 30 hrs, this is a non-issue. It was never hurricane winds that threatened Houston. It was always the rain.
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By Friday, the warning had surpassed 40 in. Every indication showed that the storm would stall and dump "biblical" amounts of rain.
Now for the politics of it. It was the mayor's office that chose to politicized the non-evacuation. After the Governor issued his Friday statement, “You don’t want to put yourself in a situation where you could be subject to a search and rescue.", the director of Harris County Emergency Services mocked the Governor's advice by tweeting in all-caps that "LOCAL LEADERS KNOW BEST".
Bottom line, if the weather people are telling you for three days that the flood of a century is coming, and you happen to live in low elevation areas, then you have no business listening to any official telling you to SIP in an area that is going to be under water soon.
Of course none of this takes away from the seriousness of this tragedy. But when the mayor's office decides to use this event to score some political points against the governor, then they deserve being called out on it.
Made it thru Day3 OK. 43.6 inches of rain so far. Rain has been continuous but not heavy torrents.
We understand all of that. However, we still have people in mortal peril, and now is not the time to start pointing fingers and apportioning blame.
Fair enough. Not meaning to assess blame. Just saying that city officials can't have it both ways.
btw, Georgians are mobilizing to send supplies. This disaster will leave a testimony of the goodness of people coming together to help each other. It may be just what America needed."And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. . . . Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Made it thru Day3 OK. 43.6 inches of rain so far. Rain has been continuous but not heavy torrents.
Only 25.62" at my house and still ok. Probably could find aroute to get me off my hill today if I needed to.
@thackney, I hope you're doing OK today.
Thank you. Brazos River rising is backing up creeks & bayous flooding area around us. I pray we won't have to evac a 3rd time. Now we would have to take 92 yr old in wheel chair.
Made it thru Day3 OK. 43.6 inches of rain so far. Rain has been continuous but not heavy torrents.
Thank you. Brazos River rising is backing up creeks & bayous flooding area around us. I pray we won't have to evac a 3rd time. Now we would have to take 92 yr old in wheel chair.Brazos river expected to crest today at record level.
Made it thru Day3 OK. 43.6 inches of rain so far. Rain has been continuous but not heavy torrents.@Elderberry
An already-swollen reservoir west of downtown Houston overtopped its spillway Tuesday, sending an "uncontrolled release" of Harvey's floodwaters into nearby neighborhoods, and putting the besieged city into "uncharted territory," officials said.
Thank you. Brazos River rising is backing up creeks & bayous flooding area around us. I pray we won't have to evac a 3rd time. Now we would have to take 92 yr old in wheel chair.@thackney
Brazos river expected to crest today at record level.
99 closed between 59 and 90a due to structural integrity of the bridge.
It was under repair before the storm came.
April 2016,tax day flood, I had to stop and pull over for 8 hours just south of the barker reservoir.
Yesterday, they were pulling people out with boats in that same neighborhood.
60 miles NE, Kingwood has water rescues.
60 miles SW Dickerson had the same.
Folks, this thing is huge.
Just got a news alert on my phone that officials in Brazoria County are saying that the levee there has been breached.
Hope no one here is in that area. Prayers for the people affected.
Lest I be repetitive, you are all in our prayers.
@musiclady
Ma'am in times such as this there is no such thing as being repetitive when it comes offering prayers.
This is so devastating, I am fighting tears as I read. May God protect the people of Texas. Property can be rebuilt. It's the people who matter in situations like this.
btw, I was looking for Ft. Knox on our map of Texas. Where is it in relation to Houston and NO?
About 1000 miles NE in Kentucky.
This is so devastating, I am fighting tears as I read. May God protect the people of Texas. Property can be rebuilt. It's the people who matter in situations like this.
btw, I was looking for Ft. Knox on our map of Texas. Where is it in relation to Houston and NO?
Oh, THAT Ft. Knox I know about! (Son did Basic Training there).
I thought he was talking about Texas. ^-^
We're actually getting very gloomy weather and some rain all the way up here in Ohio from this storm.
Amen
My apologies...sadly I'm not in my beloved home state right now...I'm at the Ft. Knox in Kentucky...we'll be feeling the wrath of whatever is left of Harvey by this weekend.
Sorry to make you worry unnecessarily.
Oh, THAT Ft. Knox I know about! (Son did Basic Training there).
I thought he was talking about Texas. ^-^
We're actually getting very gloomy weather and some rain all the way up here in Ohio from this storm.
I need a reminder as to how to shrink that photo. I didn't know it was that large. Sorry!
About 1000 miles NE in Kentucky.
The water imagery maps are showing some good deep dry air infusion again. I think once we get past the next 24 hours, things are going to improve drastically.
@Elderberry
What area are you in, if you don't mine sharing that?
FYI, watching rainfall totals for the local are last night.
The LOWEST total was 22+ inches
I'm in the neighborhood directly north of Hobby Airport. As far as I know, none of the houses in the subdivision got flooded. But we are surrounded by water.
I'm in the neighborhood directly north of Hobby Airport. As far as I know, none of the houses in the subdivision got flooded. But we are surrounded by water.
Glad you are hanging in there. In Medina we got less than an inch of rain total. I learned that our little town had 48 inches of rain in 1978 from Amelia and I can't imagine. I know what 9 inches in one day did here a couple of years ago. Stay safe.
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Thank you!
@CatherineofAragonBy their fruits shall ye know them.
@mystery-ak
Joel Osteen, (and I say the faker supposed evangelist) at his Lakewood church in Houston that can hold 16,000 people won't open the church to those who need shelter. I hope no one gives him another penny.
His spokesman says, "It's not our unwillingness, it's just practicality. It's been a safety issue for us. Lakewood Church has a heart for this city. The church would collect baby food and formula, and both baby and adult diapers for the city on Tuesday, and that the church would host people displaced by the storm once other shelters fill to capacity. He did not immediately respond to a request for comment."
The truth is, this so called pastor doesn't want his pretty church messed up with wet people fleeing for their lives. Just wait, his next sermon will be his crying for the poor people flooded out. A pox on him.
By their fruits shall ye know them.@Smokin Joe
9 inches in a day would wipe out a lot of roads out there. I just love the Medina area. I hunted a couple of years on Clark Creek Rd off of 337. I would love to find me a place out there.
Rain is still slow and steady, but not a direct threat. Still have power, but the cable tv is becoming spotty. Still high and dry inside, but our neighborhood is blocked in - some reports of back routes being "passable", but that can change on a dime as many waterways have not yet crested and the rain is continuing. Not going to risk it.
290 is open to Austin, if you can get to 290. We're staying put since we're in no danger.
From a friend of mine in between Tomball and Spring:
I just heard that a Houston Police Officer drown in the flood waters in his patrol car. **nononono*
A few years ago, my car was actually caught in a flood... I open the car door and water flowed in over the door onto the floor. Not a fun experience.
@CatherineofAragon
@mystery-ak
Joel Osteen, (and I say the faker supposed evangelist) at his Lakewood church in Houston that can hold 16,000 people won't open the church to those who need shelter. I hope no one gives him another penny.
His spokesman says, "It's not our unwillingness, it's just practicality. It's been a safety issue for us. Lakewood Church has a heart for this city. The church would collect baby food and formula, and both baby and adult diapers for the city on Tuesday, and that the church would host people displaced by the storm once other shelters fill to capacity. He did not immediately respond to a request for comment."
The truth is, this so called pastor doesn't want his pretty church messed up with wet people fleeing for their lives. Just wait, his next sermon will be his crying for the poor people flooded out. A pox on him.
Damn.
I live off Route 16 just north of town. We have 13 acres and are about a mile in from the river. We have a huge population of blackbuck antelope and axis deer- escapees from the game ranches-that are taking habitat from whitetail. Lots of wild turkey as well.Not much for antelope, but are axis deer good eating?
Take care.
I've been in one flood and had to wade through the water waist deep.I was in Grand Forks in '79 (third highest crest, ever, though it took the flood of '93 to get them to make infrastructure permanent). I had a lab student who was a pilot, and somewhere around here I have a slide of water with an I-29 interchange (overpass), more water, another interchange, etc. that I took from the air.
Around Yellowstone one year, they had a big snow melt or something. It was unreal, the water came up above tall pines in low lying areas.
I drove thru some of the flooding during Claudette in my 68 Chevy PU. I had previously sealed the ignition with silicone grease. The water filled up in the cab up to the trans hump. Water was burbling up onto the hood. I slipped the clutch like crazy to keep my R's up to keep the water from choking off the exhaust. I had to drive it bare footed with my pants legs rolled up.I drove down a back street in Grand Forks in '79 in my Dodge Coronet, and as the water got deeper, I drove more slowly until I came up behind a barricade. Those guys chewed me out until I pointed out there was no barricade at the other end of that very long street. When I opened the door, water ran out...but for the most part I maintained cabin integrity. The high water mark on the outside was almost to the door handles.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/348414-osteen-opens-doors-of-megachurch-to-flooding-victims-afterLuke 17:3
Pastor Joel Osteen opens megachurch to flooding victims after criticism
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
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Crap... is that a newer storm projection? Last one had Cameron as landfall and a more NE than NNE progression. This track just exaberates the flooding in SE TexasYep, it looks like the center has shifted its track northward, rather than NE.
Crap... is that a newer storm projection? Last one had Cameron as landfall and a more NE than NNE progression. This track just exaberates the flooding in SE Texas
Just my 2 cents...but if you have to move someone in a wheel chair...better to do it when you think you have to and have an escape route...rather than when you have to move and the route is under water.
But hopefully it won't come to any of that.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/348414-osteen-opens-doors-of-megachurch-to-flooding-victims-after
Pastor Joel Osteen opens megachurch to flooding victims after criticism
Exactly. Water over the road out about 3" now. No problem with our 4x4 but tomorrow maybe be 2 ft.
We got him into a nursing home. My wife and I will figure something out, maybe go volunteer at the church and beg a spot to sleep.
@CatherineofAragon
@mystery-ak
Joel Osteen, (and I say the faker supposed evangelist) at his Lakewood church in Houston that can hold 16,000 people won't open the church to those who need shelter. I hope no one gives him another penny.
His spokesman says, "It's not our unwillingness, it's just practicality. It's been a safety issue for us. Lakewood Church has a heart for this city. The church would collect baby food and formula, and both baby and adult diapers for the city on Tuesday, and that the church would host people displaced by the storm once other shelters fill to capacity. He did not immediately respond to a request for comment."
The truth is, this so called pastor doesn't want his pretty church messed up with wet people fleeing for their lives. Just wait, his next sermon will be his crying for the poor people flooded out. A pox on him.
Crap... is that a newer storm projection? Last one had Cameron as landfall and a more NE than NNE progression. This track just exaberates the flooding in SE Texas
And now for a Story 180 degrees from the Osteen story:
(Maybe I should do the Monty Python thing and say,"And now, for something completely different").
My wife and I gathered up some things to donate to the local shelters that have opened up in Sugar Land.
Kempner High school turned people away with donations, unless they had Materesses and pet supplies, they had enough of everything else.
The Methodist church only needed mattresses.
The Catholic Church took all we had, and there were a lot of people there, supplies stacking up.
A room for clothes, a room for food, a room for towels and bedding, and a room for cleaning supplies, etc.
I am really proud of my neighbors.
Not likely because of conscience, but rather to keep himself popular.@mystery-ak
(Sorry, but I'm an Osteen cynic. *****rollingeyes*****)
URGENT
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Harvey, now forecasted to make landfall as major hurricane. To add to injury notice that the storm is forecasted to be within a 100 or so miles of itself for 4-5 days. Precip projections may be historical.
In case you haven't seen the video on this page, be sure to watch it.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/29/rescued-woman-goes-off-on-cnn-for-hurricane-harvey-coverage-video/
In case you haven't seen the video on this page, be sure to watch it.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/29/rescued-woman-goes-off-on-cnn-for-hurricane-harvey-coverage-video/
Only 0.2 inches of rain in the last 3 hours, for a total of 44.80 inches here.
@mystery-ak
Yes, he is only opening it as he now thinks, with the bad publicity, people will give him less money. I think I would swim out rather than go to his fancy church. Or, I would go there and rub my wet, dirty clothes on the sanctuary podium where he expounds his fake religion of wealth.
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Looks like it is heading for Sabine Pass.
Some thoughts...
John Osteen would never have considered keeping Lakewood closed in such a catastrophic event. He'd have been the first one to open his doors. I'm saddened to the core that I don't see any evidence of the man John Osteen was in his son, Joel.
I mentioned that Joel Osteen's father was Claude.
My mistake.
Claude Osteen was Major league pitcher.
John Osteen was Joel's dad.
I get that backwards, every now and again.
I never viewed Osteen as a spiritual leader, but more of a motivational speaker. He tells a good joke every now and then, but I never hear any real substance to what he preaches.
There is this strange yellow light in the sky now. I wonder what it could be?
Just read that if it was cold enough Texas would have 40 feet of snow
I was unaware of the enhanced status of looting in an Emergency Declaration area.
14 people in Houston county arrested on looting charges
By Josh Delk - 08/29/17 05:58 PM EDT
Fourteen people in the Houston area have been arrested on looting charges area over the past 48 hours as Hurricane Harvey floods the region.
If convicted, the defendants will face steeper punishments since the acts were committed during a crisis, according to a prosecutors' statement provided to NBC News.
The offenders, who were arrested by the Houston Police Department and the Harris County Sheriff's Office for allegedly looting residential and commercial properties during and after Harvey, will be subject to a Texas law that mandates increased punishments for crimes committed in a disaster area, the statement said.
http://thehill.com/homenews/348465-14-people-in-houston-area-arrested-on-looting-charges (http://thehill.com/homenews/348465-14-people-in-houston-area-arrested-on-looting-charges)
I was unaware of the enhanced status of looting in an Emergency Declaration area.
14 people in Houston county arrested on looting charges
By Josh Delk - 08/29/17 05:58 PM EDT
Fourteen people in the Houston area have been arrested on looting charges area over the past 48 hours as Hurricane Harvey floods the region.
If convicted, the defendants will face steeper punishments since the acts were committed during a crisis, according to a prosecutors' statement provided to NBC News.
The offenders, who were arrested by the Houston Police Department and the Harris County Sheriff's Office for allegedly looting residential and commercial properties during and after Harvey, will be subject to a Texas law that mandates increased punishments for crimes committed in a disaster area, the statement said.
http://thehill.com/homenews/348465-14-people-in-houston-area-arrested-on-looting-charges (http://thehill.com/homenews/348465-14-people-in-houston-area-arrested-on-looting-charges)
I was unaware of the enhanced status of looting in an Emergency Declaration area.
14 people in Houston county arrested on looting charges
By Josh Delk - 08/29/17 05:58 PM EDT
Fourteen people in the Houston area have been arrested on looting charges area over the past 48 hours as Hurricane Harvey floods the region.
If convicted, the defendants will face steeper punishments since the acts were committed during a crisis, according to a prosecutors' statement provided to NBC News.
The offenders, who were arrested by the Houston Police Department and the Harris County Sheriff's Office for allegedly looting residential and commercial properties during and after Harvey, will be subject to a Texas law that mandates increased punishments for crimes committed in a disaster area, the statement said.
http://thehill.com/homenews/348465-14-people-in-houston-area-arrested-on-looting-charges (http://thehill.com/homenews/348465-14-people-in-houston-area-arrested-on-looting-charges)
Looting stories are either being kept under wraps or are few in number. :pondering:
They are few because the thugs know it won't be tolerated.
Just posted this same article. Good to hear that they might get "life" for looting here in TX. I'd prefer a bullet between the eyes, but "life" will do.
Thugs are flooded, too.
It rains on the just and the unjust alike.
There is this strange yellow light in the sky now. I wonder what it could be?
Trump?
They are few because the thugs know it won't be tolerated.
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What's it doing now?
What's it doing now?Projected path for tuesday?
Easier for the just to shoot the unjust as they can't run fast in deep water....saith the Lord
Trump?
So sayeth the flock!That's what I say Flock the looters!
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT4+shtml/292354.shtml (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT4+shtml/292354.shtml)
DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
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At 700 PM CDT (0000 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Harvey was
estimated near latitude 28.7 North, longitude 93.9 West. Harvey has
been moving toward the east near 6 mph (9 km/h) during the past few
hours, however, a north-northeastward motion is expected to resume
later tonight and this general motion should continue through
tomorrow. On the forecast track, the center of Harvey is expected
to move inland over the northwestern Gulf Coast within the tropical
storm warning area early Wednesday.
That's what I say Flock the looters!
Our little adventure: About 4:30 yesterday, an announcement was made that everyone with pets would be moved to a newly opened shelter and to meet at the cafeteria in entrance to load up in some busses. It was a big hassle schlepping everything to the opposite side of the building, but the shelter was crowded and some of the guests were already acting questionable. My sister told me this morning that a volunteer told her that things got a bit wild there, so I'm really happy that we left.
While waiting to load up, I was interviewed by ITV4. After talking to the Red Cross rep, who said that we would be on the next bus, I ask where the new shelter was. It was a jr high that I could see in the distance. I told her we drove in, and we would get ourselves there, and hubby brought the car around and we loaded up and let ft.
This new shelter was not ready at all. There was only one Red Cross rep there and and a few volunteers. The first shelter had food (pizza brought in) while the second only had snacks and water and a late night hot dog (a piece of bread with a cold hot dog). I can survive, not complaining. The first shelter had cots, and the second one had none. The surrounding community did bring in a ton of blankets, dry clothes, some pillows, and some air mattresses. We ended up trying to get some sleep on the floor with a blanket above and below and a pillow.
This morning's breakfast was granola bars. I overheard the lone Red Cross rep on his celll phone asking for food to be brought in as there wasn't going to be enough to feed the crowd (which were quite well behaved, btw). He said that he had called every restaurant in Richmond and Rosenberg and he couldn't find one that was opened Meanwhile, new evacuees were still arriving.
I thought OK we gotta get out of Dodge. Some of my friends in my neighborhood had mad it to San Antonio and Austin just fine using Waze, so we took off for my Dad's house without incident.
We have a bed tonight and spaghetti! But the best part is that this morning the forecast for the Brazos dropped from 59 feet to 57.5, which puts it below the elevation of our levee and re-classifiesus from mandatory to voluntary evacuation. They are still not recommending that we return, but we feel relieved and hopeful.
Our little adventure: About 4:30 yesterday, an announcement was made that everyone with pets would be moved to a newly opened shelter and to meet at the cafeteria in entrance to load up in some busses. It was a big hassle schlepping everything to the opposite side of the building, but the shelter was crowded and some of the guests were already acting questionable. My sister told me this morning that a volunteer told her that things got a bit wild there, so I'm really happy that we left.Good to hear and good that you are with family! I hope your home is safe and you can return soon.
While waiting to load up, I was interviewed by ITV4. After talking to the Red Cross rep, who said that we would be on the next bus, I ask where the new shelter was. It was a jr high that I could see in the distance. I told her we drove in, and we would get ourselves there, and hubby brought the car around and we loaded up and let ft.
This new shelter was not ready at all. There was only one Red Cross rep there and and a few volunteers. The first shelter had food (pizza brought in) while the second only had snacks and water and a late night hot dog (a piece of bread with a cold hot dog). I can survive, not complaining. The first shelter had cots, and the second one had none. The surrounding community did bring in a ton of blankets, dry clothes, some pillows, and some air mattresses. We ended up trying to get some sleep on the floor with a blanket above and below and a pillow.
This morning's breakfast was granola bars. I overheard the lone Red Cross rep on his celll phone asking for food to be brought in as there wasn't going to be enough to feed the crowd (which were quite well behaved, btw). He said that he had called every restaurant in Richmond and Rosenberg and he couldn't find one that was opened Meanwhile, new evacuees were still arriving.
I thought OK we gotta get out of Dodge. Some of my friends in my neighborhood had mad it to San Antonio and Austin just fine using Waze, so we took off for my Dad's house without incident.
We have a bed tonight and spaghetti! But the best part is that this morning the forecast for the Brazos dropped from 59 feet to 57.5, which puts it below the elevation of our levee and re-classifiesus from mandatory to voluntary evacuation. They are still not recommending that we return, but we feel relieved and hopeful.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/MIATWDAT.shtml (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/MIATWDAT.shtml)
Tropical Weather Discussion
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
759 PM EDT Tue Aug 29 2017
Tropical Storm Harvey has a fairly broad low-level exposed center
located over the Gulf of Mexico near 29N94W. Associated deep
convection is displaced NE of the center over the upper Texas and
extreme SW Louisiana coasts. Feeder bands east of the center
continue to produce isolated moderate convection over the north
central Gulf, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the western
Florida panhandle. Catastrophic inland flooding is forecast to
continue over Texas and Louisiana over the next few days. Of
interest, a preliminary report from a Texas rain gauge has broken
the Texas tropical cyclone rainfall record. A surface trough
traverses N Florida and the NE Gulf from 30N80W to 28N83W.
Divergent upper level winds are located east of the trough axis
over the Gulf of Mexico and Florida N of 26N. Harvey is expected
to drift slowly NE along the middle and upper coasts of Texas
through tonight, then move inland over SW Louisiana on Wednesday.
I was unaware of the enhanced status of looting in an Emergency Declaration area.There are good, practical reasons for this steeper punishment.
14 people in Houston county arrested on looting charges
By Josh Delk - 08/29/17 05:58 PM EDT
Fourteen people in the Houston area have been arrested on looting charges area over the past 48 hours as Hurricane Harvey floods the region.
If convicted, the defendants will face steeper punishments since the acts were committed during a crisis, according to a prosecutors' statement provided to NBC News.
The offenders, who were arrested by the Houston Police Department and the Harris County Sheriff's Office for allegedly looting residential and commercial properties during and after Harvey, will be subject to a Texas law that mandates increased punishments for crimes committed in a disaster area, the statement said.
http://thehill.com/homenews/348465-14-people-in-houston-area-arrested-on-looting-charges (http://thehill.com/homenews/348465-14-people-in-houston-area-arrested-on-looting-charges)
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=2 (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=2)
Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
800 PM EDT Tue Aug 29 2017
For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:
A low pressure area is located just west of the Cabo Verde Islands.
This system continues to become better organized, and any
significant increase in the associated thunderstorm activity would
result in the formation of a tropical depression within the next day
or two. The low is forecast to move generally west-northwestward at
15 to 20 mph over the tropical Atlantic during the next several
days. Heavy rain is possible over portions of the northwestern Cabo
Verde Islands for a few more hours.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...90 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...90 percent.
I'm seeing lots of twinkling lights in the sky over my house tonight. Can anone explain what that is?
Our little adventure: About 4:30 yesterday, an announcement was made that everyone with pets would be moved to a newly opened shelter and to meet at the cafeteria in entrance to load up in some busses. It was a big hassle schlepping everything to the opposite side of the building, but the shelter was crowded and some of the guests were already acting questionable. My sister told me this morning that a volunteer told her that things got a bit wild there, so I'm really happy that we left.
While waiting to load up, I was interviewed by ITV4. After talking to the Red Cross rep, who said that we would be on the next bus, I ask where the new shelter was. It was a jr high that I could see in the distance. I told her we drove in, and we would get ourselves there, and hubby brought the car around and we loaded up and let ft.
This new shelter was not ready at all. There was only one Red Cross rep there and and a few volunteers. The first shelter had food (pizza brought in) while the second only had snacks and water and a late night hot dog (a piece of bread with a cold hot dog). I can survive, not complaining. The first shelter had cots, and the second one had none. The surrounding community did bring in a ton of blankets, dry clothes, some pillows, and some air mattresses. We ended up trying to get some sleep on the floor with a blanket above and below and a pillow.
This morning's breakfast was granola bars. I overheard the lone Red Cross rep on his celll phone asking for food to be brought in as there wasn't going to be enough to feed the crowd (which were quite well behaved, btw). He said that he had called every restaurant in Richmond and Rosenberg and he couldn't find one that was opened Meanwhile, new evacuees were still arriving.
I thought OK we gotta get out of Dodge. Some of my friends in my neighborhood had mad it to San Antonio and Austin just fine using Waze, so we took off for my Dad's house without incident.
We have a bed tonight and spaghetti! But the best part is that this morning the forecast for the Brazos dropped from 59 feet to 57.5, which puts it below the elevation of our levee and re-classifiesus from mandatory to voluntary evacuation. They are still not recommending that we return, but we feel relieved and hopeful.
@thackney
Riverstone subdivision was on Channel 13 just now.
Water rescue.
Please be careful.
Good News, I hope when you return it is well.
We made it to our church. Not a shelter but we are sleeping here tonight with some other staff members. We found a restaurant open and felt half normal for a bit.
God bless you and all affected. Just on weather channel catastrophic rain in southeast Texas. Beaumont, Orange and Port Arthur. Harvey isn't finished with Texas yet.
@txradioguyWhile I expect to see prices rise there, they are up 20 cents per gallon here, too (North Dakota). That indicates the entire fuel supply will be affected, although the most critical shortages will be in areas affected by the storm, partly because rescue efforts will consume a lot of what is available in the local market. Expect gasoline prices there to go up sharply until resupply can be worked out.
@mystery-ak
IF YOU LIVE IN TEXAS:
Bob, the geologist who retired from Exxon/Mobil, says since all the oil refinery plants along the Texas coast that process gasoline are shut down, the gasoline being used now is our reserves. Bob knows where all the reserves are in Texas and Louisiana.
In Texas, trucks deliver gasoline to gas stations. Refineries are shut down so no trucks can get gasoline from there to your area; they are having to get it from our reserves. As of yesterday, a gallon of gasoline was 30 cents higher than it was the day before yesterday. in other words, gasoline is less available than it was before this disaster. You might as well fill up now before the prices go any higher, which could be today. Bob got gasoline yesterday because he said it will get scarce due to refineries not able to function.
This disaster affects all of us in Texas.
@txradioguy
Water and food can't be delivered to shelters or stores. Food trucks can't get there and they wouldn't go anyway because they have to have fuel in the devastated areas and there are no gasoline stations working due to no power and gasoline trucks can't get there to renew their gasoline even if they had power.
Sewage isn't working so toilets are backing up - no way to get rid of human waste.
There are no medicines available in the affected areas and people couldn't get them anyway since they have no transportation.
The above problems are going to be known starting today after this many days have passed since power went off and water covers everything.
Estimates are 10,000 people in shelters and more arriving all the time.
There is disease in the flood water and thousands are going through this contaminated water. People who were in the water are going to get sick.
Many years ago, I lived in League City, Texas, and League City doesn't exist anymore - aerial view shows nothing but water. Those years ago, Clear Creek flooded and flooded our subdivision. Our house was higher than the rest and we didn't flood. we got in the water to help some friends to get them to our house. All their clothes in their house were soaked with flood water. I washed every bit of their clothes, handling them saturated with flood water. My washer/dryer worked for days to clean all their clothes. Then, League City put out a directive - every person who was in flood water needed to get a tetanus shot. A place was set up to give us our shot.
We have heard nothing from officials about disease in this Harvey water now - there is sewage in this water. No call for people to get shots. This will be the second round of disaster, people getting sick.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/port-arthur-texas-conditions-dire-residents-in-survival-mode/
40 inches in one day in Port Arthur. The shelter flooded.
@txradioguy
Water and food can't be delivered to shelters or stores. Food trucks can't get there and they wouldn't go anyway because they have to have fuel in the devastated areas and there are no gasoline stations working due to no power and gasoline trucks can't get there to renew their gasoline even if they had power.
Sewage isn't working so toilets are backing up - no way to get rid of human waste.
There are no medicines available in the affected areas and people couldn't get them anyway since they have no transportation.
The above problems are going to be known starting today after this many days have passed since power went off and water covers everything.
Estimates are 10,000 people in shelters and more arriving all the time.
There is disease in the flood water and thousands are going through this contaminated water. People who were in the water are going to get sick.
Many years ago, I lived in League City, Texas, and League City doesn't exist anymore - aerial view shows nothing but water. Those years ago, Clear Creek flooded and flooded our subdivision. Our house was higher than the rest and we didn't flood. we got in the water to help some friends to get them to our house. All their clothes in their house were soaked with flood water. I washed every bit of their clothes, handling them saturated with flood water. My washer/dryer worked for days to clean all their clothes. Then, League City put out a directive - every person who was in flood water needed to get a tetanus shot. A place was set up to give us our shot.
We have heard nothing from officials about disease in this Harvey water now - there is sewage in this water. No call for people to get shots. This will be the second round of disaster, people getting sick.
Wil end up there may be more rain in BPT area than any where else in the state. Though remote, my digs piney woods north of Beaumont okay at this point.Glad to hear you are safe and secure.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/port-arthur-texas-conditions-dire-residents-in-survival-mode/
40 inches in one day in Port Arthur. The shelter flooded.
Harvey battered Port Arthur Tuesday, dumping more than 26 inches of rain in 24 hours, an all-time daily record for rainfall. More than three and a half feet of rain has fallen on Port Arthur since Saturday.
https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/harvey-flood-port-arthur-texas-shelter (https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/harvey-flood-port-arthur-texas-shelter)
This is absolutely horrific, there are still people who rescuers can't get to and I don't think people realize that even after the flood waters recede, those affected by the flood are going to continue to be displaced and devastated for a long time. Recovery isn't going to happen overnight or even in months. This is going to take years.People don't understand because they have a hard time conceiving of a situation where contractors will be overwhelmed, with tens of thousands of structures needing remediation, and an invasion of scam artists along with the reputable contractors will make it hard to sort out who will do quality work.
I look back at what we went through with Charley. Charley was a cake walk in comparison. Harvey is the monster of all storms.
I will continue to pray for TX for a long time.
@thackney, I hope you're doing OK today.
We are safe.
Harvey rainfall grand total 26. 20 inches at my house. Nothing compared to other places.That's still a sh*tload of rain. I know, there are places that nearly doubled that. I wonder how many people have taken a tape measure and realized just how much water that is?
We are safe.Glad to hear it!
That's still a sh*tload of rain. I know, there are places that nearly doubled that. I wonder how many people have taken a tape measure and realized just how much water that is?
We are safe.
Indeed it is and this area is going to be in recovery mode for guite some time. Thankfully we suffered no real damage here.I am glad you are safe, too.
I am glad you are safe, too.
Thank you! I'm hoping to be able to get off my hill today and see what I can do to help my neighbors.:patriot:
@txradioguy
@mystery-ak
IF YOU LIVE IN TEXAS:
Bob, the geologist who retired from Exxon/Mobil, says since all the oil refinery plants along the Texas coast that process gasoline are shut down, the gasoline being used now is our reserves. Bob knows where all the reserves are in Texas and Louisiana.
In Texas, trucks deliver gasoline to gas stations. Refineries are shut down so no trucks can get gasoline from there to your area; they are having to get it from our reserves. As of yesterday, a gallon of gasoline was 30 cents higher than it was the day before yesterday. in other words, gasoline is less available than it was before this disaster. You might as well fill up now before the prices go any higher, which could be today. Bob got gasoline yesterday because he said it will get scarce due to refineries not able to function.
This disaster affects all of us in Texas.
It's already affecting us here in Kentucky too...gas has jumped .30 cents a gallon since Sunday.
Bit of humor out of the flood zone this morning. Watching tv this morning and saw the replay of a rescue that happened somewhere last night. There is a female reporter riding along in the boat and the rescue includes an 80 year old man and several companions frm a nursing home. When the old guy gets seated in the boat he pulls out his flask, pours a shot and passes it to one of his buds. This repeats several times and the female reporter comments about how touching it is to see him sharing his water with the others. The salty coon ass skipper politly tells her that he doesn't think that it's water they are drinking.
The rise in gas is pennies ... the rise that we're going to see in insurance premiums is dollars; like hundreds of dollars and I anticipate that you will start to see insurance companies pull out of TX like they have done in FL. Premiums for flood insurance will rise dramatically.
So...we were thinking of selling our home before all this happened and I hate to give up our property on the water ... but we're certainly not getting any younger and after Harvey pummeling TX and it appears that another storm is on its way; I now know we're making the right decision.
:silly: Way too funny! God Bless him! If anybody deserves a drink it's those that are enduring the hell that Harvey doled out.
I seriously doubt you'll see insurance companies pull out of Texas. If they haven't after some of the hurricane's and tornadoes we've had hit the state in the past...I don't see them doing it now.Why would they?
Houston: Brace yourselves for scam artists. Use reputable, verifiable sources with references. Check the Better Business Bureau. Take pictures of the people you hire. Document everything. Hide your valuables. I'm sure some of y'all have more suggestions to add. Bottom line: be skeptical!! Be thorough!!
And if you leave stuff in your car, hide it in the trunk or under the seats. If people see a gym bag or anything remotely valuable, they will bust your window to grab it. Be smart.
It's a real shame this has to be put out but...Bears repeating.
Houston: Brace yourselves for scam artists. Use reputable, verifiable sources with references. Check the Better Business Bureau. Take pictures of the people you hire. Document everything. Hide your valuables. I'm sure some of y'all have more suggestions to add. Bottom line: be skeptical!! Be thorough!!
And if you leave stuff in your car, hide it in the trunk or under the seats. If people see a gym bag or anything remotely valuable, they will bust your window to grab it. Be smart.
Because it's Texas, baby!
@libertybeleIt isn't unusual for the price to spike to unusually high levels in situations like this in the affected area ($5/gallon) which discourages people from purchasing gas they don't really need. This has been seen before, and while there was howling about price gouging, there remained some gas supply for running pumps and generators and the like.
You said, "The rise in gas is pennies ..."
The point of my post was there WON'T BE MUCH GASOLINE, and getting it to your gas station is "iffy", not that the price is going up. If you can fill your car now while the station still has gasoline, do it.
Overall, it will take a couple weeks of longer for the refineries which have shut down to re start, possibly longer depending on damage and how long it takes for the water to go down.@Smokin Joe
@libertybele
You said, "The rise in gas is pennies ..."
The point of my post was there WON'T BE MUCH GASOLINE, and getting it to your gas station is "iffy", not that the price is going up. If you can fill your car now while the station still has gasoline, do it.
@Smokin Joe
@Victoria33
Joe, you are wrong on this one. I lived 15/20 miles from Texas City for 20 years and that is where the refineries are on the Galveston Bay.
The refineries are flooded out AND there are NO employees to go to work there. The employees are in shelters with no home to go to. There is no food in any store in that area as the food stores are flooded out and no one knows how long it will take to open even one store when it is rebuilt. There is no drinkable water in that area since water sources are contaminated.
No gasoline is coming out of Texas for a long time.
@Smokin JoeThank you for correcting my time frame. I guess "or longer" was more accurate, but that is longer than I had thought. I figured the refiners would be pumping out and getting things back on line as soon as possible, but as you have pointed out there are serious complications for the workforce, too. From the time they are ready to start up, it will take a week to get things up and running again, and that is after all is repaired and cleaned up and the crews are back on the job.
Joe, you are wrong on this one. I lived 15/20 miles from Texas City for 20 years and that is where the refineries are on the Galveston Bay.
The refineries are flooded out AND there are NO employees to go to work there. The employees are in shelters with no home to go to. There is no food in any store in that area as the food stores are flooded out and no one knows how long it will take to open even one store when it is rebuilt. There is no drinkable water in that area since water sources are contaminated.
No gasoline is coming out of Texas for a long time.
@Smokin Joe
Joe, you are wrong on this one. I lived 15/20 miles from Texas City for 20 years and that is where the refineries are on the Galveston Bay.
The refineries are flooded out AND there are NO employees to go to work there. The employees are in shelters with no home to go to. There is no food in any store in that area as the food stores are flooded out and no one knows how long it will take to open even one store when it is rebuilt. There is no drinkable water in that area since water sources are contaminated.
No gasoline is coming out of Texas for a long time.
Heard on the radio this morning, there are reports of gas stations in San Antonio that are completely out of gas. Also reports of gas stations around Austin that have some grades of gas but are out of other grades (premium grade, mostly.)No ethanol premium is best for fueling boat motors, chainsaws, generators, pumps, and other small engines, especially older ones. Ethanol, especially in older fuel systems, causes problems which can wreck the engine, or at least the fuel pump, injection and carburetors.
ExxonMobil refineries are damaged in Hurricane Harvey, releasing hazardous pollutants
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/08/29/exxonmobil-refineries-damaged-in-hurricane-harvey-releasing-hazardous-pollutants/?utm_term=.a500ca2e2cbd
ExxonMobil refineries are damaged in Hurricane Harvey, releasing hazardous pollutantsThanks, @libertybele !
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/08/29/exxonmobil-refineries-damaged-in-hurricane-harvey-releasing-hazardous-pollutants/?utm_term=.a500ca2e2cbd
The idle refineries have a capacity of 3.2 million barrels a day, equal to a third of Gulf coast capacity and 17.6 percent of total U.S. refining capacity. Further closures are likely as the storm moves east into Louisiana, where there is another 1.65 million barrels a day of oil refining capacity.
The logjam of tankers and trucks was adding to woes. Valero, which had closed its two refineries in the Corpus Christi area, said it was looking to reopen the facilities but that damaged pipeline, port and transportation infrastructure could delay re-openings.
Bloomberg News reported that Marathon said it was closing its Galveston Bay refinery because it was running out of crude, which could not be delivered because of port closures.
Gasoline prices for September delivery also rose amid signs that the Gulf’s woes could spread. The Colonial Pipeline, the main link between the heart of the nation’s oil and gas industry and consumers in the northeast, said that supplies of refined petroleum products from the Houston area had been disrupted.
No ethanol premium is best for fueling boat motors, chainsaws, generators, pumps, and other small engines, especially older ones. Ethanol, especially in older fuel systems, causes problems which can wreck the engine, or at least the fuel pump, injection and carburetors.
It may be best,but very hard to find in my neck of the woods(now swamp). I've been running 87 Octane E10 gasoline in all my small engines with nary a problem. I just keep the gas fresh.Most I know have had problems with small engines which run E10. I think part of the problem stems from those engines being subject to temperature changes in humid environments causing absorbtion of moisture in the fuel tanks, corrosion in fuel systems, and the ethanol being incompatible with the rubber parts in older fuel systems. When I ran 4 stroke engines dry, I had less trouble with E10, but it generally isn't good for chainsaws and the like (two stroke engines). There are additives, but I have two places I can get 91 octane E0 here, for roughly 30 cents more a gallon than 89 octane E10. For me, it has been worth the extra.
I'd buy E0, but its not available. Not many places more humid than Houston. I run 3 two cycle engines every week along with my four cycle lawn mower. All I use is pump 87 octane and a good two cycle oil. No additives. I just keep the gas fresh. Or the alcohol will absorb water and settle out of the fuel. No damage to tanks, fuel lines, or carburetors. I also have 4 chainsaws I periodically run. I dump the fuel out of those after each use, because I don't know when I'll run them again. I've heard the bugaboo about gasahol in small engines, but personally, I haven't seen it.Consider yourself fortunate. It may be that we are a long way from the blend point, too, but I (and others I know) have had plenty of problems that went away with E0.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that it is you who is wrong here. There are many refineries in Texas other than the ONE (BP)at Texas city. Gasoline is flowing out of Texas in copious quantities as we speak and more production capacity will be back on line very quickly.@Bigun
@Bigun
I didn't mean just the ones in Texas City, I meant all of them in South Texas, including Beaumont and Port Arthur and Louisiana near the coast. You are the one who is wrong but believe what you want as you usually do. I won't respond to you again about this I am glad you didn't flood.
@Smokin Joe
Joe, you are wrong on this one. I lived 15/20 miles from Texas City for 20 years and that is where the refineries are on the Galveston Bay.
The refineries are flooded out AND there are NO employees to go to work there. The employees are in shelters with no home to go to. There is no food in any store in that area as the food stores are flooded out and no one knows how long it will take to open even one store when it is rebuilt. There is no drinkable water in that area since water sources are contaminated.
No gasoline is coming out of Texas for a long time.
Thanks, @libertybele !I'll say even more.
From that article:
Two things are likely from this, an increase in refined products prices, and decrease in crude prices for the short term (weeks to months).
Considering the magnitude of the event, chemical releases from submerged automobiles likely compare with the releases from the refineries, and may dwarf those refinery releases. (admittedly, I have no numbers for the latter, and the chemicals involved are different.
@Smokin JoePlease demonstrate this is not just a radical opinion but offer some real proof it is true.
Joe, you are wrong on this one. I lived 15/20 miles from Texas City for 20 years and that is where the refineries are on the Galveston Bay.
The refineries are flooded out AND there are NO employees to go to work there. The employees are in shelters with no home to go to. There is no food in any store in that area as the food stores are flooded out and no one knows how long it will take to open even one store when it is rebuilt. There is no drinkable water in that area since water sources are contaminated.
No gasoline is coming out of Texas for a long time.
You are flat wrong on this. I'm in this business and in the area. The Refinery and Petrochem industry isn't that knocked down. I have several friends working there now.
Entergy Corp. restored electricity to the three plants in Port Arthur, owned by Motiva, Total Petrochemicals USA Inc. and Valero Energy Corp., which account for 1.08 million barrels a day of refining capacity.
Motiva is a refining and marketing joint venture of Saudi Refining Inc., a subsidiary of Saudi Arabian Oil Co., and Shell Oil Co., a unit of Royal Dutch Shell Plc.
Kimberly Windon, a spokeswoman for Shell in Houston, didn’t immediately respond to an e-mail asking for comment on the Motiva refinery’s status. She said yesterday that “we will bring our units back online only when it is safe to do so.”
You are flat wrong on this. I'm in this business and in the area. The Refinery and Petrochem industry isn't that knocked down. I have several friends working there now.
I am going to post this here once. This is for future reference for those that live in a "zone". This is not for Houston, cuz it is too late for the poor bastards. So, If you are reading this, take note and copy this.
WTF to do before a major storm hits you and The Government will step in to help you rebuild. . What do you need to do? As a former disaster assistance worker, I can tell you FEMA and Small Business Administration( SBA provides low interest loans to home owners affected by a disaster) will need your deed (found in closing documents), a copy of your flood insurance, a copy of home owners insurance, your social security numbers, your drivers license. Two years copies of your tax returns. A copy of your most recent pay stub. If your own a business 3 years tax returns or copies since your business started if less than 3 years. If you own a business provide your most recent financial papers. Car registrations and if you own a manufactured home registration of that home. Other things birth certificates, marriage licenses. Put them in a box you can easily carry away with you if you have to evacuate.
That is all.
Questions ... why do they need tax returns and pay stubs?? Sounds like means testing?
Good info to know. Thank you.
To show source of income for repayment of the loan.
Exactly. To show qualification for repayment
Oops -- didn't see the SBA -- next time I'll read through it again, before asking a stupid question. :shrug:
Hey. No problem. I need to add. Car titles. Take them too.
@thackney
Thanks for the report. Your location is listed as "Houstonish" so I'm glad you're okay.
I see reports of Motiva in Port Arthur "shutting down". Do you know whether they're moving units into circulation or completely shutting down? I don't trust the MSM to report this correctly.
I ask because I know someone at Motiva who evidently can't be reached, and I'm wondering whether he's lost in the confusion or is in danger.
I am South-Southwest of Houston. I used to be 5 miles from the Brazos River, I am now two miles into it.
Before my dad passed he put all that in a safety deposit box for me for just this reason. Fire, flood, tornado, or death, so my next of kin or lawyer can get it if I can't.
When members of the Travis County sheriff’s office dive team watched parts of Houston drowning in floodwaters Sunday, they wanted to get on the road immediately to start saving lives 180 miles away.
But only Wednesday – after the department got a formal “mutual aid request” – did Sheriff Sally Hernandez approve mobilizing the first crew to respond, angering many inside the department who felt handcuffed by their inability to do what they are trained to do.
...
By contrast, Williamson County Sheriff Robert Chody waited for no formal request or approval. After a quick text message exchange with Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, he put a water rescue team of four deputies on the road Sunday afternoon and by Wednesday had sent 10 deputies to Houston.
“He (Acevedo) said, ‘Send them,’” said Chody, who also was in Houston on Wednesday to help with rescues and to check on his crews. He said Williamson County deputies had helped rescue more than 100 people since Sunday evening.
Heard this article discussed on the radio this morning:
HURRICANE HARVEY: With Houston swamped, Travis rescue boats sat idle (http://www.mystatesman.com/news/state--regional/hurricane-harvey-with-houston-swamped-travis-rescue-boats-sat-idle/gZVixxXTgLHgv18VE9aVmM/)
excerpts...
Much more at the link above. As I was listening to the discussion about this story this morning, it occurred to me that a large part of the difference between the response to Hurricane Harvey in Houston and Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans is that Texas has more people like Robert Chody in positions of authority, while New Orleans and Louisiana had more people like Sally Hernandez in positions of authority.
Austin is full of liberal wusses. I was very happy to leave it behind.
So am I! I'm in Williamson County now. ^-^
Almost not far enough away!
I am South-Southwest of Houston. I used to be 5 miles from the Brazos River, I am now two miles into it.
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Our home, I think, or at least quite close
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FITTINGS? Fittings are what's holding you back?
You're a bright boy @thackney , surely there is something that can be done!
prayers up, man. I sure hope it works out!
@thackney
So sorry for your loss. Words fail.
Yes, these pictures were the worse for me. We had already accepted all this and have been at peace, just moving forward as we can. These hurt to look at.
@thackney
That's terrible. I don't know what to say. I know its tearing at you wanting to go in and see your home. Please let me know if I can help in any way.
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Our home, I think, or at least quite close
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Yes, these pictures were the worse for me. We had already accepted all this and have been at peace, just moving forward as we can. These hurt to look at.I'm glad you had time to mitigate the damage somewhat by moving things upstairs, but sincerely wish you didn't have the other problems to contend with.
I hate to say I'm glad I got even more water in the house, but I'm glad we chose well to concentrate our efforts getting the important belongings on the second floor and evacuating the animals.
Yeah... there's some solace in that it wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference anyway...
But I like the way you think out of the box and see (plan) forward... seeking solutions before the fact... That platitude wouldn't have comforted me much, in that no solution was found. Even if no solution was possible. It'd just rub me all wrong.
Either way, sure sorry for your loss. I know all the good stuff is fine, and everyone is out of harm's way, but from the look of things, you have a dang rough row to hoe for the next year or so... There ain't no doubt about it. :shrug:
It is going to be a while. They have predicted the Brazos @ FM1462 has peaked and is vvveeeeerrrrryyyyy slowly receeding. Down 4" Woo Hoo!!!! It will likely be a week before the water is out of the house.
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=HGX&gage=ROST2
Prayers up for you and yours.
Thank y'all for the kind words and prayers.
@thackney
I guess at this point it won't matter if the AquaDam is holding water in as things recede, eh?
Hang in there.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/08/this-is-probably-the-worst-us-flood-storm-ever-and-ill-never-be-the-same/ (https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/08/this-is-probably-the-worst-us-flood-storm-ever-and-ill-never-be-the-same/)Wow.
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Wow.
For the folks out there who haven't completely wrapped their heads around those rainfall amounts, grab a tape measure and stand next to it and mark where 40 inches comes up to on you.
That's how much rain fell in places. Imagine that in your yard...neighborhood, and more coming at you from uphill, and you'll start to get a clue what people down there are facing.
Now, not everyone is facing that, but water moves down hill, and the lower you are, the deeper it will get.
Everyone down there has my prayers.
Wow.
For the folks out there who haven't completely wrapped their heads around those rainfall amounts, grab a tape measure and stand next to it and mark where 40 inches comes up to on you.
Devastating news earlier today, y'all. In checking on a former classmate (a total luddite) to see how they survived the storm, we found out that she's suffering from stage 4 cancer and is on hospice. It jolted me and helped put things in perspective.
We've known each other since elementary school. I'm stunned, heartbroken and still trying to process the news.
And those down river, that water from upstream is still coming at them. We still have places where the water is still rising as the water continues to grow away from the river.
Harvey is on his way to give us a big wet kiss.
There's already flash flood and tornado warnings for Nashville just south of us.
Texans helping out National Guard LMTV
I was just sent this
@thackney
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3582254/posts
It is going to be a while. They have predicted the Brazos @ FM1462 has peaked and is vvveeeeerrrrryyyyy slowly receeding. Down 4" Woo Hoo!!!! It will likely be a week before the water is out of the house.
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=HGX&gage=ROST2
Yep that was last year. Randy was the seller and we were the buyer.
Brazoria County officials are warning that roughly 200 square miles of the county will be inundated with water from the Brazos River, which is projected to continue rising through Friday
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The water has receded at my son's home in Brazoria county to the point that the water was completely out of his home late yesterday evening. They were able to get everything out of it that was salvageable and let it dry out overnight.
I also noticed that I made a typo of "5" feet on one of my posts here on the first day of the flood when it should have been "2" feet. The water did rise higher over the next few days, but I don't know how much higher. So... the water has thus far receded in his area at least 2 feet.
From looking at the map, I think they're about 12 miles from the Brazos. I was hopeful that drop might help you a bit, but I'm guessing that it doesn't since he's much farther from the river than you. I'm so sorry, @thackney . I can't begin to imagine what you must be going through in this mess.
Current predictions for the Brazos River at West Columbia, is to continue rising until Wednesday. This is downstream of us.
@thackney, please excuse this question if it's too intrusive, but do they give any estimates as to when you might be able to go back?
The best prediction is the Brazos River prediction at Rosharon, FM1462. I suspect we need to get close to 51 ft before I can get to the house.Wow...that's such slow recession.
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=hgx&gage=rost2&prob_type=stage&source=hydrograph
The best prediction is the Brazos River prediction at Rosharon, FM1462. I suspect we need to get close to 51 ft before I can get to the house.
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=hgx&gage=rost2&prob_type=stage&source=hydrograph
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/08/this-is-probably-the-worst-us-flood-storm-ever-and-ill-never-be-the-same/ (https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/08/this-is-probably-the-worst-us-flood-storm-ever-and-ill-never-be-the-same/)
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Heading back to Corpus tomorrow.
Do you know what damages you have? What shape the city is in??
I've felt badly for those on down the coast because the coverage of Houston and then the Golden Triangle area has kind of sucked up all the media oxygen. At least, I think so. It's hard to know how things are being covered across the country being here in the Houston market. But it does seem like y'all didn't get the attention you should have because of the dynamic nature of the events up here.
Give us an update when you can.
Heading back to Corpus tomorrow.Prayers up for y'all.
Yes, ditto that.@Sanguine
@Sanguine
Gov. Abbott said today gasoline trucks are coming from New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Louisiana to north Texas so we have gasoline. He said if you see these trucks, pull over so they get to north Texas faster.
I have a dear friend in Corpus Christi. Spoke to him earlier this week and he said it wasn't that bad there when it came in. The house wasn't flooded and they have power. He said they were much better off than the rest of southeast Texas. It was Rockport that was devastated. Now, it is most of southeast Texas that is terrible for people to try to live.
Water and food is getting scarce in some places. This is not over. Trucks bring food to every grocery store in your area. If they can't get there, no food arrives. If the grocery store is flooded out, it can't open to sell the food. If people can't get their money out of a bank/flooded ATMs, they have no money to buy the food which isn't there in a store that is closed due to flooding. Our lives are connected to this which is connected to that which is connected to that which is connected to that.
I hope this terrible happening never happens again to any part of this country.
Water and food is getting scarce in some places. This is not over. Trucks bring food to every grocery store in your area. If they can't get there, no food arrives. If the grocery store is flooded out, it can't open to sell the food. If people can't get their money out of a bank/flooded ATMs, they have no money to buy the food which isn't there in a store that is closed due to flooding. Our lives are connected to this which is connected to that which is connected to that which is connected to that.
@ElderberryNormalcy bias, defined. "That can't possibly happen here!"
Don't know why you would be afraid of the truth. Storing extra food/water for an emergency is much better than being fearful.
Satellite Imagery of Harvey Flooding after the storm.
https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/harvey/index.html
Satellite Imagery of Harvey Flooding after the storm.Doesn't appear to be all after the storm, as my old neighborhood in Braeswood which flooded seems to be dry in picture.
https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/harvey/index.html
Doesn't appear to be all after the storm, as my old neighborhood in Braeswood which flooded seems to be dry in picture.
Normalcy bias, defined. "That can't possibly happen here!"@Smokin Joe
The only problem with stores of food and water is that they can get contaminated, too. The problem with not having them is that you do without. We keep both on hand, and we're about as far from salt water as you can get in North America. (140 miles from the geographic center of North America)
Satellite Imagery of Harvey Flooding after the storm.
https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/harvey/index.html
Ingleside and Aransas Pass are marked over. Hope to see it for myself later today.
Standing right beside you?
Doesn't appear to be all after the storm, as my old neighborhood in Braeswood which flooded seems to be dry in picture.
Let this sink in for a minute.....Hundreds and hundreds of small boats pulled by countless pickups and SUVs from across the South are headed for Houston. Almost all of them driven by men. They're using their own property, sacrificing their own time, spending their own money, and risking their own lives for one reason: to help total strangers in desperate need.
Most of them are by themselves. Most are dressed like the redneck duck hunters and bass fisherman they are. Many are veterans. Most are wearing well-used gimme-hats, t-shirts, and jeans; and there's a preponderance of camo. Most are probably gun owners, and most probably voted for Trump.
These are the people the Left loves to hate, the ones Maddow mocks. The ones Maher and Olbermann just *know* they're so much better than.
These are The Quiet Ones. They don't wear masks and tear down statues. They don't, as a rule, march and demonstrate. And most have probably never been in a Whole Foods.
But they'll spend the next several days wading in cold, dirty water; dodging gators and water moccasins and fire ants; eating whatever meager rations are available; and sleeping wherever they can in dirty, damp clothes. Their reward is the tears and the hugs and the smiles from the terrified people they help. They'll deliver one boatload, and then go back for more.
When disaster strikes, it's what men do. Real men. Heroic men. American men. And then they'll knock back a few shots, or a few beers with like-minded men they've never met before, and talk about fish, or ten-point bucks, or the benefits of hollow-point ammo, or their F-150.
And the next time they hear someone talk about "the patriarchy", or "male privilege", they'll snort, turn off the TV and go to bed.
In the meantime, they'll likely be up again before dawn. To do it again. Until the helpless are rescued. And the work's done.
They're unlikely to be reimbursed. There won't be medals. They won't care. They're heroes. And it's what they do.
Taken from a well spoken dude just like most of us.
Got this over IM... can't source it, but...Thanks for passing that on, @roamer_1 ! SO true!
There's such a difference here... between Harvey and Katrina... I know some of it is optics - I know the attitude described above was present all over Mississippi, and Louisiana and all over the South after Katrina. And that media focus was almost entirely on NO... But this stuff just makes me so proud of all y'all. Harvey hadn't even quit yet, and y'all were out there helping each other... Texans were already heading toward the damage before the rain even quit... And the South came arunnin... the Cajun Navy... and the lower midwest...
I know y'all are getting drug through a knothole backwards, I know it hurts. But there ain't nothin I have ever seen that shows such can-do spirit, such a strong willed, good attitude in the face of the worst sort of adversity... Such an inbuilt desire - a near instinct - to do right by your fellow man... There is not a better example of why you damn well better not mess with Texas.
The rescue folks just come a'runnin. and the logistics folks - food, housing, lodging for the rescue folks just step right on up... It just amazes me and gives me hope in the goodness of men toward each other. Thank you Texas, for showing folks how it's done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU_hznRUPqQ&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=3K3A4eVEP6s
The City of Beaumont announced late Saturday afternoon that six water pumps were in place refilling the city's water plant, which is treating the water before pumping it out to homes that have been without clean water for days.
"There will be periodic interruptions in water service as well as changes in water pressure throughout the plant startup process," Beaumont Mayor Becky Ames wrote in a statement. "Once water pressure is restored, it is imperative to follow the guidelines of the boil water notice."
12 News Now has a comprehensive set of instructions posted here for what to do once your water is restored.
Mayor Ames said utilities staff have been working around the clock since Aug. 31 to restore water to Beaumont residents. The mayor thanked ExxonMobil, Echo Construction, and Jefferson County Drainage District 6 for their cooperation in working to restore water -- adding Tiger Industries responded quickly with pumps and extended new lines to the plant.
FEMA has established a “Rumor Control” website:Who runs that web site? CNN? Does anyone really believe what the Feds feed the public? I worked for them for 40 years and saw first hand how they manipulate information to suit their own goals, not that of the taxpayers.
https://www.fema.gov/hurricane-harvey-rumor-control
@thackney @Elderberry @Bigun @Elderberry @LadyLiberty
How are y'all doing? Prayers continue for you. Please update your status. Hope I didn't leave anyone out who is in the affected area.
@thackney @Elderberry @Bigun @Elderberry @LadyLiberty
How are y'all doing? Prayers continue for you. Please update your status. Hope I didn't leave anyone out who is in the affected area.
@thackney @Elderberry @Bigun @Elderberry @LadyLiberty
How are y'all doing? Prayers continue for you. Please update your status. Hope I didn't leave anyone out who is in the affected area.
@thackney @Elderberry @Bigun @Elderberry @LadyLiberty@austingirl
How are y'all doing? Prayers continue for you. Please update your status. Hope I didn't leave anyone out who is in the affected area.
I may have to order one of these:
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https://warrior12.com/shop/texas-crusader-storm-crus-ah144/
To quote what an old black man told me at the shelter "God gives, even when he takes."
Thanks, @roamer_1, that choked me up a bit.
Corpus Christi looks good. Lots of billboards blown out. A scattering of privacy fences blown over. A few collapsed buildings or toppled awnings. But otherwise OK.
Ingleside is a different matter. It got slammed hard. Uprooted trees all over the place. Telephone poles leaning awkwardly against buildings. Roofs blown off houses. Power lines down everywhere.
But the most noticeable thing of all is the spirit of Texans coming together and dealing with the situation. No one complaining. No one whining about losing everything. No one asking when the government is going to do something. Instead, a society of people waking up to the day, seeing challenges, and tackling those challenges. People with chainsaws going from yard to yard trimming limbs and branches and piling them up by the street, drivers yielding the right of way at intersections missing their traffic lights and signs, and everyone giving way to power crews working the daylight hours through the holiday weekend to restore power to everyone.
And everywhere you see groups assembling on roadsides to give away free BBQ, food, supplies, clothes, or anything else people could need.
I am strongly considering moving here and taking a job at one of the local chemical plants. Texas Exceptionalism rocks!
Corpus Christi looks good. Lots of billboards blown out. A scattering of privacy fences blown over. A few collapsed buildings or toppled awnings. But otherwise OK.
Ingleside is a different matter. It got slammed hard. Uprooted trees all over the place. Telephone poles leaning awkwardly against buildings. Roofs blown off houses. Power lines down everywhere.
But the most noticeable thing of all is the spirit of Texans coming together and dealing with the situation. No one complaining. No one whining about losing everything. No one asking when the government is going to do something. Instead, a society of people waking up to the day, seeing challenges, and tackling those challenges. People with chainsaws going from yard to yard trimming limbs and branches and piling them up by the street, drivers yielding the right of way at intersections missing their traffic lights and signs, and everyone giving way to power crews working the daylight hours through the holiday weekend to restore power to everyone.
And everywhere you see groups assembling on roadsides to give away free BBQ, food, supplies, clothes, or anything else people could need.
I am strongly considering moving here and taking a job at one of the local chemical plants. Texas Exceptionalism rocks!
Thanks for the report. I've tossed around the idea of moving to TX as well.
That's right. You're not from Texas. Texas wants you anyway. (For the Lyle Lovett fans.) C'mon down! Help us keep Texas red. 888high58888
That's right. You're not from Texas. Texas wants you anyway. (For the Lyle Lovett fans.) C'mon down! Help us keep Texas red. 888high58888
We need all the good people we can get! I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as soon as I could. Maybe it's a bumper
sticker, but it's true. :seeya:
I've visited the Dallas/Ft. Worth area years ago and like the area. Any areas you would recommend? Looking for something a little more remote and definitely not along the southern border. Any suggestions would be welcome.
The uncertainty is over. Still under mandatory evacuation but the began to allow residents in between 7am to 7pm.
16 inches inside the house, now down to 12". Probably not until Friday until the water is lower than the slab foundation.
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@thackney
That's a real shame. How far did you have to boat in to get to your place?
The water is down far enough I could park in shallow water on the road by the house.
About 32 inches deep at the driveway. Since the ditches are about 5 ft deep and 40 ft wide, you have to know where the drive is.
State troopers will not allow anyone in with a boat or high profile truck. They don't want people visiting other properties and cannot patrol everyone.
I've visited the Dallas/Ft. Worth area years ago and like the area. Any areas you would recommend? Looking for something a little more remote and definitely not along the southern border. Any suggestions would be welcome.
@libertybeleAnd it is far outside of Bexar County and San Antonio's ridiculous taxes too. Less than 2 months to go until time to head south for the Winter on the west side of SA.
I lived in Austin but it is so liberal and crowded that I couldn't take it anymore. I live in a tiny little town, Medina, in the Hill Country. It is beautiful. We have 13 acres in a "subdivision" that used to be a cattle ranch years ago. There are about 12 homeowners. We have a vet, a hardware store, post office, and a couple of cafes. Sidewalks roll up about 5PM.
It is about 15 miles to Bandera, the Cowboy Capital of Texas, 60 miles from San Antonio (where the growth is insane), and 25 miles from Kerrville which is known for a folk festival and has a lot of retirees. I'm rather partial to the area. ^-^
The uncertainty is over. Still under mandatory evacuation but the began to allow residents in between 7am to 7pm.@thackney I am so sorry about the damage to your home. May God grant you strength as you start to work on your house.
16 inches inside the house, now down to 12". Probably not until Friday until the water is lower than the slab foundation.
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And it is far outside of Bexar County and San Antonio's ridiculous taxes too. Less than 2 months to go until time to head south for the Winter on the west side of SA.
The uncertainty is over. Still under mandatory evacuation but the began to allow residents in between 7am to 7pm.
16 inches inside the house, now down to 12". Probably not until Friday until the water is lower than the slab foundation.
@thackney
Unnngh. That looks like SO much work. I don't think most people have any idea how much work that is...
But, glad you saw it coming...
Hows the shop? you'll need your tools before just about everything else...
The uncertainty is over. Still under mandatory evacuation but the began to allow residents in between 7am to 7pm.watch for snakes opening those doors and drawers. You do not need more surprises and to be visiting hospitals
16 inches inside the house, now down to 12". Probably not until Friday until the water is lower than the slab foundation.
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I've visited the Dallas/Ft. Worth area years ago and like the area. Any areas you would recommend? Looking for something a little more remote and definitely not along the southern border. Any suggestions would be welcome.This seems weird with the massive flooding that happened in Texas, but Texas will likely have big problems of water supply in years to come. I am from Austin and there and the Hill County is really pretty, but water resources is slim. Just not much rain water takes place. The DFW area does have a number of lakes supplying water, but with increased growth, even that may not be enough in years to come.
This seems weird with the massive flooding that happened in Texas, but Texas will likely have big problems of water supply in years to come. I am from Austin and there and the Hill County is really pretty, but water resources is slim. Just not much rain water takes place. The DFW area does have a number of lakes supplying water, but with increased growth, even that may not be enough in years to come.
I wound up retiring in an area of Texas around Tyler which does have more rain, so water problems are more limited. The further East one goes and South, the more the rain.
Garage is a little lower with more water.
Ugh. I hope you got all the power tools up off the floor. You're gonna need em. I Sure feel sorry for ya man. That's a mess. And not a little one.
Nope, didn't even touch the garage. The last few hours were in panic mode, making sure what we got out with while we still could get the trucks out.
Last night I had my brother FedEx me utility knives and gloves from Ohio. I searched 4 stores in our immediate area. I hope to have a tear out party on Saturday, if the water drop cooperates.
I dunno what I'd do with my tools sunk. Hard put to even start without a sawbox full of tools in the truck...
Better take a ride up to OK and find a home depot while you have the time. I'll bet you'll be hard pressed to find a skill saw or a screwdriver for a long time locally...
Can you just cut the lower 4 ft off the walls, or is it a total gut?
I'll bet driers are like hens teeth too.
@libertybele
I lived in Austin but it is so liberal and crowded that I couldn't take it anymore. I live in a tiny little town, Medina, in the Hill Country. It is beautiful. We have 13 acres in a "subdivision" that used to be a cattle ranch years ago. There are about 12 homeowners. We have a vet, a hardware store, post office, and a couple of cafes. Sidewalks roll up about 5PM.
It is about 15 miles to Bandera, the Cowboy Capital of Texas, 60 miles from San Antonio (where the growth is insane), and 25 miles from Kerrville which is known for a folk festival and has a lot of retirees. I'm rather partial to the area. ^-^
Everyone, thank you again for the thoughts and prayers. We need them.
You have them @thackney I'm so sorry you have to go through this.
I'm in West Texas.... What is this thing called "rain" of which you speak? :laugh:It's that four letter word they have down Houston ways.
It's that four letter word they have down Houston ways.
I was born in Big Spring, you know the place that used to have a spring?
@libertybele
I lived in Austin but it is so liberal and crowded that I couldn't take it anymore. I live in a tiny little town, Medina, in the Hill Country. It is beautiful. We have 13 acres in a "subdivision" that used to be a cattle ranch years ago. There are about 12 homeowners. We have a vet, a hardware store, post office, and a couple of cafes. Sidewalks roll up about 5PM.
It is about 15 miles to Bandera, the Cowboy Capital of Texas, 60 miles from San Antonio (where the growth is insane), and 25 miles from Kerrville which is known for a folk festival and has a lot of retirees. I'm rather partial to the area. ^-^
Ditto that.
...still praying for those affected by Harvey.
As am I. And for those in the path of Irma.
@thackney
When you have time, please give us a status report. Hope you are staying strong.
On the way to get a shower. Been digging out wet carpet, insulation and sheetrock,. A loooooonnnnngggg way to go.
On the way to get a shower. Been digging out wet carpet, insulation and sheetrock,. A loooooonnnnngggg way to go.
Some friends and a large group from my church made such a difference this weekend. They got out all the wet carpet and nearly all the sheetrock.
We have a large amount of built-in cabinets. I finally lined up a contractor to finish the tear-out, including a fireplace, extended brick hearth, tub, tile, shower. They likely will save the kitchen granite but no promises.
Once we get that out, the heavy-duty mold prevention treatment, we can likely start living upstairs as the reconstruction begins.
Some friends and a large group from my church made such a difference this weekend. They got out all the wet carpet and nearly all the sheetrock.It always gets worse before it gets better, but it sounds like y'all made substantial progress.
We have a large amount of built-in cabinets. I finally lined up a contractor to finish the tear-out, including a fireplace, extended brick hearth, tub, tile, shower. They likely will save the kitchen granite but no promises.
Once we get that out, the heavy-duty mold prevention treatment, we can likely start living upstairs as the reconstruction begins.
Sounds like some serious progress. Hopefully that lifts your spirits a bit.
lifted me a lot. Friday, with the help of a friend, we cleared the entryway and the dining room. I was devastated. We had worked our butts off and was just watching the mold grow everywhere else. Barely a dent in the work to be done and soooo much water still saturating so many places.
Saturday, exhausted, but the tide had turned. And with knowledge the rest would be completed this week. We had built-in cabinets in 8 different rooms.
Some friends and a large group from my church made such a difference this weekend. They got out all the wet carpet and nearly all the sheetrock.
We have a large amount of built-in cabinets. I finally lined up a contractor to finish the tear-out, including a fireplace, extended brick hearth, tub, tile, shower. They likely will save the kitchen granite but no promises.
Once we get that out, the heavy-duty mold prevention treatment, we can likely start living upstairs as the reconstruction begins.
Some friends and a large group from my church made such a difference this weekend. They got out all the wet carpet and nearly all the sheetrock.
We have a large amount of built-in cabinets. I finally lined up a contractor to finish the tear-out, including a fireplace, extended brick hearth, tub, tile, shower. They likely will save the kitchen granite but no promises.
Once we get that out, the heavy-duty mold prevention treatment, we can likely start living upstairs as the reconstruction begins.
Once we get that out, the heavy-duty mold prevention treatment, we can likely start living upstairs as the reconstruction begins.
Sounds like a great gain! So by now you know... Is it 'living upstairs' till Turkey Day, Christmas, or worse?
I would bet worse. From past experience with friends 9 months for that much rebuild during hundreds of thousands of homes be rebuilt is optimistic.
We took on $120K of damage during Rita. It was about 5 or 6 months before some semblance of normalcy.
The biggest challenge is competing for contractor resources.
Initial assessment by the Flood Adjuster was we would max out our $250k policy, and the $50k for contents.
I would bet worse. From past experience with friends 9 months for that much rebuild during hundreds of thousands of homes be rebuilt is optimistic.
I see down thread your estimated costs... And that you will bottom out your insurance. I am very sorry for your losses. Lets hope for a wonderful 4th of July christening, eh?
This too shall pass, brother, it surely will.
It is still early in the process. Some of the content loss is a bit of hoarder mentality in the garage, extra appliances, duplication of tools, etc. Receiving value but not replacing will help balance some of that.
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It will work out. This isn't a devastation loss for us, just a large change and process to go through. We will manage.
Oh, I am sure you will... It's just gonna be a giant PIA. That is nothing against your fortitude and management.
A bug in your ear: It might be that you could get with your neighbors and buy truckloads from up north... A handy guy like you might turn your bottom line toward the green. Availability and lower prices... Jussayin.
My wife and I are already in agreement, we will take our time. We can walk on concrete and use a crockpot, we don't have to rush building everything. Try to get what we want rather than getting something fast.
http://www.kxxv.com/story/36358190/air-force-planes-to-spray-harris-county-for-mosquitoes (http://www.kxxv.com/story/36358190/air-force-planes-to-spray-harris-county-for-mosquitoes)
Harris County officials say Air Force Reserve cargo planes will be spraying much the county beginning Thursday to combat the mosquito threat left by Harvey's heavy rains and floodwaters.
Modified C-130 planes from Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio are to spray about 600,000 acres in roughly the northern and southern thirds of the county.
The county says the aerial spraying operation supplements similar mosquito-fighting efforts being made on the ground.
The insecticide being used is Dibrom, which officials say is Environmental Protection Agency approved and routinely used to combat mosquito-borne disease.
Harris County Public Health Executive Director Dr. Umair Shah says the goal is to reduce the effects of mosquitoes on recovery efforts and address the possibility of a future increase in mosquito-borne disease.
Air Force planes to spray Harris County for mosquitoes
Brazoria County has been "warning" us that military aircraft are being used for mosquitoes.
I initially thought the mosquitoes had got so bad they were using Puff the Magic Dragon.
They said Modified C-130.
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I know that the mosquitoes are pretty brutal at my house, which was to be expected after a storm of this magnitude.The air force has sprayed the environs around the confluence of the Little Muddy River and the Missouri River up here. Mosquitoes vicious enough to be noted in Lewis and Clark's journals are still nasty critters in these parts, and it
Brazoria County has been "warning" us that military aircraft are being used for mosquitoes.Just want to take a moment to wish you and all the others affected good luck in all the work and remodel, as for the aircraft I had just moved into my new home and no told me I was center of the flight path for Joint Forces Training Base Los Alamitos, the first time a C-130 oh so slowly and so low you could count the rivets drifting overhead it was quite an experience for us and the dogs but became normal very quickly. Once again good luck going forward.
I initially thought the mosquitoes had got so bad they were using Puff the Magic Dragon.
Just want to take a moment to wish you and all the others affected good luck in all the work and remodel, as for the aircraft I had just moved into my new home and no told me I was center of the flight path for Joint Forces Training Base Los Alamitos, the first time a C-130 oh so slowly and so low you could count the rivets drifting overhead it was quite an experience for us and the dogs but became normal very quickly.
Ah that's nuttin 'Hawk. I live a few miles away from the bombing range where the tested the Original MOAB back in ought 2 or 3.. The oldtimes still talk about the day the AF dropped that bad boy!I know but I live in a very urban area, closest I came to what you get was when I worked near El Toro before they shut it down and there were the monthly practices and the fighter pilots had a party hitting the after burners and rattling windows, somehow there were always a few that accidently did that, but no bombs (http://i39.tinypic.com/2djwk04.jpg)
“My dog shook for 15 minutes,” Santa Rosa County resident Stephanie McBride told the Daily News at the time. “The house, a little bit.”
Every WED they still Bomb the heck out of the Area, Rattles the windows and scares the birds. The best is when the A-10's play war. Cool as heck!.. The sounds of freedom!
Ah that's nuttin 'Hawk. I live a few miles away from the bombing range where the tested the Original MOAB back in ought 2 or 3.. The oldtimes still talk about the day the AF dropped that bad boy!I got to see A-10s working out a little when I was in Nevada. AWESOME planes!
“My dog shook for 15 minutes,” Santa Rosa County resident Stephanie McBride told the Daily News at the time. “The house, a little bit.”
Every WED they still Bomb the heck out of the Area, Rattles the windows and scares the birds. The best is when the A-10's play war. Cool as heck!.. The sounds of freedom!
I know but I live in a very urban area, closest I came to what you get was when I worked near El Toro before they shut it down and there were the monthly practices and the fighter pilots had a party hitting the after burners and rattling windows, somehow there were always a few that accidently did that, but no bombs
I got to see A-10s working out a little when I was in Nevada. AWESOME planes!
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/09/reporters_compare_harvey_and_irma_s_impacts.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/09/reporters_compare_harvey_and_irma_s_impacts.html)
Irma May Have Been the Bigger Storm, but the Damage From Harvey’s Storm Surge Will Last for Years
Hurricane Harvey and Hurricane Irma are the only Category 4 Atlantic storms to ever hit the United States in the same year—let alone the same two weeks. Their landfalls turned the past few weeks into an emotional maelstrom of displacement, property damage, and conversations about climate change. While the full impact of the two storms is still being tallied up, journalists who were on the scene to cover both believe the back-to-back disasters also serve as a testament to the overwhelming damage water can do to our homes, and lives.
Despite a swirl slightly less imposing than Irma’s, Harvey punched above its weight. The storm killed more than 70 people and caused billions of dollars in damage. “It just looked a lot worse, just an ongoing crisis in Houston,” says Jorge Ribas, a video journalist for the Washington Post who covered both Harvey and Irma. “That’s not to diminish what happened here with Irma, but … when we were in Lumberton, Texas, we were driving in boats and the water was at the top of stop signs, you know, covering street signs. I’ve never seen anything like that.”
No one else has, either. Current calculations suggest Hurricane Harvey dumped an unprecedented 27 trillion gallons of water on Texas and Louisiana. Parts of Houston received almost 53 inches of rain, breaking a record for rainfall in the continental United States and forcing the National Weather Service to rewrite its color-coding system. And weeks after the storm, things just keep getting worse: The storm water has been slow to drain and is getting dirtier by the day.
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I can see where someone needs to figure out why everything is draining so slowly.
I can see where someone needs to figure out why everything is draining so slowly.
That much stagnant water is going to make for some serious health problems.
The concept is wrong. It isn't draining slowly. It is draining a massive amount. Fast flows with massive volumes still take a while.Just too much to drain off quickly, not some issue that can be addressed. Well, that 50 inches (plus) in places is an inconceivable amount of water coming down. Most folks couldn't envision that much snow, much less rain.
Houston ship channels flows were so massive and fast flowing it shut down ship traffic.
Just too much to drain off quickly, not some issue that can be addressed. Well, that 50 inches (plus) in places is an inconceivable amount of water coming down. Most folks couldn't envision that much snow, much less rain.
Anyone know how most of the plants fared along the HSC? Hopefully, only tank farms were impacted.
I didn't find a status on just the ship channel plants, but I did find this site that gives an overall plant status.
https://www.petrochemwire.com/Frames/Events/Storm/HarveyUpdate.html (https://www.petrochemwire.com/Frames/Events/Storm/HarveyUpdate.html)
I didn't find a status on just the ship channel plants, but I did find this site that gives an overall plant status.
https://www.petrochemwire.com/Frames/Events/Storm/HarveyUpdate.html (https://www.petrochemwire.com/Frames/Events/Storm/HarveyUpdate.html)
Anyone know how most of the plants fared along the HSC? Hopefully, only tank farms were impacted.
The Trinity is a trickle up here by me. I am assuming they have slowed the flow to give y'all a break. I'll have to take some snaps on my next ride and upload them.
Mosquitoes are crazy up here too. Too much standing water. As bad as it is here, I can't imagine the swarm down south.
@thackney I feel terrible for what you are going through. :(
The Trinity is a trickle up here by me. I am assuming they have slowed the flow to give y'all a break. I'll have to take some snaps on my next ride and upload them.
Mosquitoes are crazy up here too. Too much standing water. As bad as it is here, I can't imagine the swarm down south.
@thackney I feel terrible for what you are going through. :(
How far up the Trinity are you?
Cowtown.
How far up the Trinity are you?
AH! WAY up! I'm near prison city.
What does it look like down there?
I think it's still a little above normal but nothing serious. If Harvey had delivered the amount of rain up where you are that he did down here the people downstream would have been in REAL trouble!
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/09/reporters_compare_harvey_and_irma_s_impacts.htmlSeems this reporter has never covered a hurricane.
Irma May Have Been the Bigger Storm, but the Damage From Harvey’s Storm Surge Will Last for Years
Seems this reporter has never covered a hurricane.Precisely. Storm Surge is almost always salt or brackish water. Rain is fresh, and the resultant flooding is as well. Different sort of damage, really, as the salt water is far more corrosive, and much harder on plant life as a rule.
It was not the storm surge, but the rains which caused most of the damage in Harvey. Rain does not equal Storm Surge
FITTINGS? Fittings are what's holding you back?
You're a bright boy @thackney , surely there is something that can be done!
prayers up, man. I sure hope it works out!
30" diameter flexible, sealing fittings~10 ft long.
Duct tape isn't going to cut it. Nor is there time at this point.
God be with you. We evacuated from Rosharon to a friends camping trailer in their driveway in Sienna Plantation, Missouri City. The 59 ft @ Richmond is going to put more than the Sienna Levees were designed to hold (100 year flood design). So we may be evacuating again tomorrow. The 59 ft is expected Tuesday evening. I understand Greatwood Levees won't hold up to that either.
@roamer_1
Going through this old thread, remembering conversations from two years ago....
(I do have the replacement connectors now. And had we installed them back then, it would have overtopped the AquaDam by about 6 inches, 12 inches above the rating where it starts to float)
Later that night, the first of our three evacuations.