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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 02:17:31 am
Female IDF tank crews ran down dozens of Hamas terrorists on October 7 Channel 12 interviews soldiers from all-woman company within mixed-gender battalion who say there was no time for fear or hesitation, battled terrorists for 17 hours By ToI Staff Today, 1:03 am
When a group of young Israeli women were woken up at 6:30 a.m. on October 7, they had no idea they would be making history as the first female armored crews in Israel, and perhaps the world, to participate in active battle.
In an interview with Channel 12 this week, the combat soldiers spoke of thundering along main roads to get to some of the 20 southern Israeli communities that came under massive assault that morning, running down terrorists, and securing breaches on the border with the Gaza Strip.
One of the officers in the unit, identified as Hagar, told Channel 12: “[My commander] comes into our room at 6:30 a.m., wakes me up and tells us that there’s a terrorist infiltration. We didn’t really understand the enormity of the event.”
more https://www.timesofisrael.com/female-idf-tank-crews-ran-down-dozens-of-hamas-terrorists-on-october-7/
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Post by: Timber Rattler on November 26, 2023, 02:17:58 am
As expected, the Israeli government and Biden regime are getting strung along by Hamas. The Gaza goal post moving has commenced.
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 26, 2023, 02:33:44 am
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 02:34:32 am
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/25/23/78236929-12791041-Irish_girl_Emily_Hand_was_held_by_Hamas_for_50_days_and_had_her_-m-2_1700955501530.jpg) Clutching a teddy bear, Irish nine-year-old Emily Hand was reunited with her devoted father today after being held by Hamas for 50 days
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/26/02/78240123-12791041-image-m-2_1700964290035.jpg) Emily is pictured arriving in a convoy transporting Israeli hostages released by Hamas
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Post by: libertybele on November 26, 2023, 02:39:49 am
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 26, 2023, 04:28:18 am
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Post by: SZonian on November 26, 2023, 10:58:10 am
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Post by: Elderberry on November 26, 2023, 12:39:15 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · Even with a ceasefire, #Hamas continues its psychological warfare on Israel
'Two days of hostage releases and Two days that it didn't happen according to plan...Hamas is using any method in its arsenal to drag on this process' Our @Ariel_oseran says
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Post by: Elderberry on November 26, 2023, 12:41:10 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts
#UPDATE: During the IDF operation in Jenin overnight 5 terrorists were killed, 21 were arrested, an explosives laboratory was destroyed - and an airstrike targeted an armed terrorist squad that endangered the Israeli forces. (Kann)
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Post by: Elderberry on November 26, 2023, 12:43:47 pm
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN·
'The hostages have been selected. There's a selection that was operated the same as in Auschwitz. There are hostages, people to be killed, and people to be raped' Frmr. IDF intelligence officer Raphael Jerusalmy discusses the psychological warfare carried out by #Hamas
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Post by: Elderberry on November 26, 2023, 12:47:16 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
'We shouldn't look at the tiny, minute details of what is happening every day, it's a bigger picture. Hamas is trying to position itself...they want to be seen as an equal partner to Israel and, then it wants to be seen as being reliable'
Defense commentator @Rimanero breaks down the #Hamas strategy at play in the 4-day ceasefire with Israel
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Post by: mountaineer on November 26, 2023, 01:29:17 pm
In response to the Irish PM's tonedeaf and idiotic reference to one of the child hostages as "lost ... now found," Irish MMA fighter Conor McGregor writes:
Conor McGregor @TheNotoriousMMA She was abducted by an evil terrorist organization. What is with you and your government and your paid for media affiliates constantly down playing / attempting to repress horrific acts that happen to children. You are a disgrace. The day after a stabbing of children in Ireland, NOT ONE PAPER HAD IT ON THEIR FRONT COVER. We will not forget. 7:13 AM · Nov 26, 2023
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 02:28:35 pm
Sullivan: US expects at least one American hostage will be released from Hamas Sunday by Lauren Sforza - 11/26/23 8:35 AM ET
National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said the United States expects at least one American hostage being held by militant group Hamas to be released Sunday.
“At least one American will be released today. I cannot confirm who it will be, or that it will absolutely happen because until we see that American out of Gaza, in safety and ultimately in the hands of their loved ones, we won’t have full confirmation,” Sullivan told CBS’s Margaret Brennan on Sunday’s “Face the Nation.”
Fifty hostages are expected to be released during the four-day truce between Israel and Hamas, but so far, no Americans have been freed. Twenty-four hostages were released on Friday in the first wave of hostages planned to be released by Hamas and an additional 17 were released on Saturday, including a 9-year-old Israeli-Irish girl who was believed to be dead.
more https://thehill.com/homenews/4327562-sullivan-us-expects-at-least-one-american-hostage-will-be-released-from-hamas-sunday/
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 02:48:45 pm
Hamas to release 3 American hostages Sunday, including 4-year-old orphan: report By Social Links for Isabel Keane Published Nov. 26, 2023, 8:21 a.m. ET
Three Americans — including a 4-year-old whose parents were slain by Hamas — are are expected to be among 13 hostages released by Gaza Sunday, marking the first time US citizens would be released since a delicate cease-fire was struck up between the terror organization and Israel.
Two unidentified women and Abigail Mor Edan, a young girl who turned 4 alone in captivity on Friday after becoming an orphan in the deadly Oct. 7 incursion, were set to be freed, senior US officials told CNN.
President Biden on Friday had expressed hope that the young Israeli-American girl would be among those released this weekend, telling reporters, “I’m keeping my fingers crossed.”
Abigail had been snatched by Hamas after fleeing her home on Kibbutz Kfar Aza where her father Roy Edan, 43, a photojournalist, and mother, Smadar Edan, were killed during the Oct. 7 attack.
Her older siblings, 6 and 10, were able to escape after hiding in a closet for 14 hours.
more https://nypost.com/2023/11/26/news/abigail-edan-and-2-other-american-hostgaes-expected-to-be-freed-by-hamas/
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 02:56:41 pm
3 hours ago Senior Hamas commander in charge of northern Gaza killed in war: reports By Richard Pollina
Members of Hamas confirmed Ahmed al-Ghandour, the commander of the terrorist organization's North Gaza brigade, has died during the war, according to reports.
"Al Ghandour (Abu Anas) is the member of the military council and the commander of the North Brigade," Al Qassam Brigades wrote in a statement published on their Telegram channel, according to Reuters.
It is unclear if Al Ghandour was killed during the truce between Israel and Hamas, which is now entering its third day on Sunday.
With Post wires
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 02:57:11 pm
12 hours ago Qatar hopes to extend Israel-Hamas truce beyond four days: spox By Miles Schachner
Qatar, which has helped mediate the hostage and cease-fire deal between Israel and Hamas, is hoping to extend the four-day truce, Qatari Foreign Affairs Ministry spokesperson Majed Al-Ansari told CNN Saturday.
Al-Ansari said that he hoped consecutive days of successful hostage releases could bode well for an extension.
"What we are hoping for is that the momentum that has carried from the releases of these two days and from this agreement of four days will allow us to extend the truce beyond these four days and therefore get into more serious discussions about the rest of the hostages," Al-Ansari said.
The spokesman also noted Qatar has been fielding concerns from both sides about the execution of the deal.
"Within this kind of mediation, you're always going to find both sides saying that the other side did not abide by the agreement," Al-Ansari added.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 26, 2023, 03:08:02 pm
The attack should have resumed yesterday when Hamas reneged, demanding more "supplies."
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Post by: Lando Lincoln on November 26, 2023, 03:19:02 pm
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Post by: Elderberry on November 26, 2023, 03:30:40 pm
Unmaking of the UN
Cliff May is founder and president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) and a columnist for the Washington Times. He is a veteran reporter, foreign correspondent, and editor for the New York Times and other publications. Cliff’s current column is “The unmaking of the United Nations” (at FDD, where it is posted with links). Cliff has kindly given us his permission to post his column on Power Line. He writes:
United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres observed last month that Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack on Israelis “did not happen in a vacuum.” He’s not wrong.
But what he neglected to mention are the multiple ways the U.N. encouraged Hamas’s orgy of mass murder, rape, and child-stealing; the U.N.’s efforts to demonize and delegitimize Israel; and its campaign to make Israel an international scapegoat, whipping boy, and pariah.
I’d trace this campaign back to 1975, when the Soviet Union led the U.N. General Assembly to adopt a resolution calling Zionism “a form of racism.”
U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Daniel Patrick Moynihan rose to declare that “this is a lie” and to denounce that “the abomination of antisemitism has been given the appearance of international sanction,” and to state unequivocally that the United States “does not acknowledge, it will not abide by, it will never acquiesce in this infamous act.”
Ambassador Moynihan understood that, prior to 1948, Zionism was the movement in support of self-determination for the Jewish people in part of their ancestral homeland which had been, for millennia, under the rule of foreign empires.
Since Israel’s declaration of independence, Zionism has meant supporting Israel’s right not to be annihilated. And let’s acknowledge the obvious: The disestablishment of Israel would require genocide.
In 1991, the U.N. underwent a moment of sanity: 111 nations voted to revoke the “Zionism is racism” resolution, with only 25 nations, “mostly Islamic and hard-line Communists,” as The New York Times reported, “voting against.”
That reflected “the shifting political currents of recent years, the Persian Gulf war in particular, which split the Arab and Islamic worlds, and the changes in the former Soviet bloc, fostered by the collapse of Communism.”
Before long, however, the Jew-haters were back. On September 22, 2001, the U.N. staged an “anti-racism” conference in Durban, South Africa that morphed into a festival of Jew-hatred.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 03:44:02 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 25m 13 Hostages have reportedly been Handed-Over to the International Red Cross in Southern Gaza this morning and are now on their way to the Rafah Border Crossing with Egypt.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 03:44:25 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 03:58:20 pm
9 minutes ago Biden administration won't rule out conditions on Israel aid By Ryan King
President Joe Biden’s top security advisor refused to rule out the possibility of imposing conditions on aid to Israel Sunday after the president toyed with the idea on Friday.
“I thought the President really couldn’t have been clearer when he answered the question,” National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan told NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, repeatedly declining to give a straight answer.
“Is he open to it?,” host Kristen Welker demanded.
“He is going to continue to focus on what is going to generate results,” Sullivan replied, declining to clarify or rule out the notion.
Last year the US gave $148 million to the West Bank and Gaza, less than a 20th of the aid it dolled out to Israel.
more https://nypost.com/2023/11/26/news/key-biden-administration-refuses-to-rule-out-conditioning-aid-to-israel/
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 04:03:39 pm
Family Members: Hostages Ate Poorly, Slept on Benches; Waited up to Two Hours for Bathroom Joel B. Pollak
Family members of released Israeli hostages told reporters Sunday that the hostages had been forced to sleep on benches during their seven-week captivity; that they had to endure waits of up to two hours for the bathroom; and that they were sometimes denied food.
Adva Adar, granddaughter of freed Holocaust survivor Yaffa Adar, 85; and Merav Mor Raviv, cousin of Keren Munder, 54, spoke to reporters in a press conference organized by MediaCentral Jerusalem.
Adar said that her grandmother had counted the days of her captivity, and that she had lost weight during her time as a hostage.
Raviv added:
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They were eating, but not regularly, and not all the time. Keren told me that there were days that they didn’t get food, only pita bread or things like that. They lost — Keren and her mom, Ruthie, lost, each one of them, around, between six to eight kilos, and they are not that tall. They ate a lot of rice and bread …. I know that she told me that when they wanted to go to the bathroom, how they had to knock on the door, and sometimes, and then they were waiting [for] it to be opened, and sometimes they were waiting one and-a-half hours, or two hours, to go to the bathroom. And they told me that they were sleeping on [a] kind of benches in a reception room, that you have three chairs combined as a bench, they had to sleep on that kind of, to spend their night on the bench.
Raviv added that the hostages looked as if they had lost weight, even though most were said to be in good physical condition.
A masked Hamas terrorist is heard on a propaganda video ordering Israeli hostages to “keep waving” as they are loaded onto a Red Cross van during Saturday’s second release.
The release, which was delayed due to Hamas objections, saw thirteen Israelis — eight children and five children — and four Thai farmworkers released after 50 days of being held in captivity.
Hamas has produced videos of the first two releases that aim to show a humanitarian side of the organization, after the brutal murders and kidnappings of the October 7 attack shocked the world. But the mask has slipped at key moments in the videos.
In one video, Israeli mother Sharon Avigdori, 52, and her daughter Noam Avigdori, 12, are seen being walked to a Red Cross vehicle. A masked Hamas terrorist tells them, in English, “Bye now.” As they are seated (0:17), he orders gruffly: “Keep waving.”
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 04:32:01 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 10m Initial Reports that the Egyptian Army had entered the Gaza Strip earlier this morning in order to Facilitate today’s Hostage Release due to the Movement of the Israel Defense Force in Gaza being Limited in the Ceasefire Agreement.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 04:34:08 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 04:37:27 pm
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 25m Israeli Air Force has thousands of targets for attack across Gaza for next stages in war, says ex-IDF intel chief Yadlin via @N12News
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 05:06:28 pm
2 minutes ago 39 Palestinian hostages to be freed Sunday: report By Post Staff
Thirty-nine Palestinian prisoners were expected to be released by Israel on Sunday as part of the hostage exchange, said intermediary Qatar, according to CNN.
The Palestinian terror group Hamas on Sunday released 17 hostages -- including 4-year-old American Abigail Edan -- who it abducted from Israel during its slaughter there Oct. 7.
Abigail was the first US citizen to be freed in the exchanges that have occurred over the past few days.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 05:10:55 pm
Dem Sen. Murphy: Civilian Death Toll in Gaza ‘Unacceptable’
Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the level of civilian harm inside Gaza was “unacceptable and is un unsustainable.”
Murphy was in Israel on Oct 7th with his family...he scrambled to get them out of there and was really critical of Hamas...he has now softened his stance since he is safe and back in the US...another POS
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 06:26:38 pm
Oh brother..do they really believe this.... *****rollingeyes*****
Murphy was in Israel on Oct 7th with his family...he scrambled to get them out of their and was really critical of Hamas...he has now softened his stance sine he is safe and back in the US...another POS
I notice he didn't allow any of the hundreds of Americans stranded in Israel to hop aboard his chartered flight to safety.
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Post by: Hoodat on November 26, 2023, 06:33:37 pm
Oh brother..do they really believe this.... *****rollingeyes*****
WWII brought about the end of the Third Reich and the Japanese Empire. It will take a war to bring about the end of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad, one that those parties have already started. If you insist on calling it WWIII, so be it.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 26, 2023, 06:40:24 pm
WWII brought about the end of the Third Reich and the Japanese Empire. It will take a war to bring about the end of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad, one that those parties have already started. If you insist on calling it WWIII, so be it.
I read the tweet and all I see is buzzword-gobbledegook. Reminds me of that unfortunate Beauty Contestant trying to answer a vaguely political question some years ago.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 06:41:25 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 06:45:35 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 40m #BREAKING: According to reports, Hamas is prepared to release another 20-40 Israeli hostages if Israel extends the ceasefire- that is set to end tomorrow- another 2-4 days.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 06:46:53 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF As of now, 13 released hostages are in Israeli territory.
12 of the released hostages are being accompanied by ISA and IDF special forces to the Hatzerim Base, while an additional civilian landed at a hospital a short while ago.
4 additional released hostages are on their way to the Rafah Crossing. Last edited 11:06 AM · Nov 26, 2023 ·
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 06:48:37 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 06:49:34 pm
During the first two hostage releases Fox had non stop coverage...3rd release not so much... :shrug:
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 08:12:39 pm
8 minutes ago More than 120 truckloads of humanitarian aid and supplies enter Gaza By Alex Oliveira
More than 120 truckloads of supplies and humanitarian aid entered the Gaza Strip Sunday, according to Egyptian authorities.
The trucks were carrying food, water, cooking gas, fuel, and medical supplies, according to CNN, and were headed to northern Gaza.
They are part of the cease-fire deal negotiated between Israel and Hamas, in which the terror group agreed to release 50 hostages in return for a four-day truce, the release of 150 Palestinian prisoners, and truckloads of supplies.
The aid was delivered through the United Nations and Palestinian Red Crescent Society, Egyptian officials said.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 08:13:51 pm
The family of Abigail Mor Edan, a 4-year-old American-Israeli girl who was released by Hamas terrorists on Sunday, released a statement expressing their "gratitude" towards the world leaders who made the young girl's release possible.
Liz Hirsh Naftali and Noa Naftali - Abigail's great aunt and cousin, respectively - issued the statement on Sunday. Edan's mother and father were killed by Hamas terrorists on October 7.
"We hoped and prayed today would come," the statement began. "There are no words to express our relief and gratitude that Abigail is safe and coming home."
The relieved family members issued special thanks to President Biden and Qatari negotiators for securing Abigail's return.
"Thank you to President Biden and his dedicated team; thank you to the Qatari government and other informal actors who are involved in securing Abigail’s release and reuniting other hostages with their loved ones," the statement continued. "Today’s release proves that it’s possible. We can get all hostages back home. We have to keep pushing."
"We will continue to stand with the families of all the hostages still held captive, and we remain committed as ever to securing their safe and swift return," the Naftalis added. Posted by Andrea Vacchiano
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 08:15:16 pm
Biden has mentioned Abigail Mor Edan's name than his own granddaughter..
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 08:21:04 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 1h Hamas had reportedly Accepted the Terms provided by Israel that in order to Extend the Ceasefire, they will have to Release at least 10 Hostages from the Gaza Strip every day.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 08:21:35 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 1h #BREAKING: Hamas officially confirms its intention to extend the current ceasefire by releasing additional hostages, Israel reportedly will not agree to a rate of less than 10 hostages released per day.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 08:51:41 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 6s Senior IDF officer estimates: Hamas chiefs hiding in bunkers up to 70-80 meters below ground, built with special cement for extra protection; Israel needs to fully destroy Hamas tunnel network, which is larger & deeper than expected, he says. via @WallaNews
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 26, 2023, 08:57:23 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 6s Senior IDF officer estimates: Hamas chiefs hiding in bunkers up to 70-80 meters below ground, built with special cement for extra protection; Israel needs to fully destroy Hamas tunnel network, which is larger & deeper than expected, he says. via @WallaNews
They expected it was large and deep. They found more than that?
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 09:45:23 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 18m Senior Hamas official to Al Jazeera: We are working to locate more abductees and if we succeed - we will notify the parties to allow the extension of the ceasefire. (Channel 12)
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Post by: Elderberry on November 26, 2023, 09:52:41 pm
Report: U.S. and Western-Funded Palestinian Schools Celebrated October 7 Massacre
Legal Insurrection by Vijeta Uniyal 11/26/2023
In 2022, the Biden admin pledged $344 million for terror-infested Palestinian agencies. This years the funding is set to rise.
A newly released report by an Israeli education watchdog uncovered that the U.S. and western government-funded Palestinian schools ‘celebrated’ the brutal killing, maiming and raping of hundreds of innocent Israeli in the Hamas’s October 7 massacre.
Palestinian schools, many of them run by the PLO-controlled Palestinian Authority (PA), cheered the Hamas’ terrorist attack that killed more than 1200 Israeli and other nationals—including women, children, and elderly, an investigative report published by IMPACT-se, an Israeli NGO monitors school education, reveals.
“While the civilized world has reacted with horror to the atrocities committed by terrorists on 7 October, who massacred around 1,400 Israelis – mainly civilians – as documented in this report, at least 11 schools in the West Bank which are operated by the PA have openly and publicly celebrated the massacre,” the reported found.
The study concluded “that the next generation of Palestinians are being desensitized to violence and death, to see Jews and Israelis as inhuman creatures, and to perceive their own death in battle as an utmost goal. In light of this, one cannot escape the conclusion that should the status quo of Palestinian education continue, the next atrocity is all but assured.”
These Palestinian schools receive millions of dollars each years from the U.S. and its western allies. President Joe Biden restored the funding for the Palestinians in 2021, reversing a Trump-era decision. In 2022, the Biden administration pledged $344 million for terrorist and jihadist-infested Palestinian agencies. This years the funding is expected to rise again.
Following are some of the disturbing findings of the report (Read the full PDF report here (https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/Education-for-Terrorism-in-Palestinian-Schools.pdf)):
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 10:33:17 pm
8 minutes ago Netanyahu says extending ceasefire in return for more hostages 'would be welcome' while doubling down on Hamas' destruction after speaking with Biden By Alex Oliveira
Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu said watching the return of hostages released by Hamas throughout the weekend simply "stirs the soul" in a video statement released after speaking with President Biden Sunday.
"There is also an outline that says that it is possible to release an additional ten hostages each day. That would be welcome," said, who also vowed to continue Israel's mission to eradicate the terror group once the cease-fire lifts.
"At the same time, I also told President Biden that at the end of the outline, we will go back to realizing our goals with full force: eliminating Hamas, ensuring that Gaza will not go back to being what it was and, of course, releasing all of our hostages."
Fifty-eight hostages have been released by Hamas since the four-day cease-fire with Israel began Friday morning. The terror group agreed to return 50 hostages taken in its October 7 attack, while Israel agreed to hand over 150 Palestinian prisoners.
Hamas was given the opportunity to extend the cease-fire one day for every 10 additional hostages released.
Among the hostages freed Sunday was 4-year-old Israeli-American Abigail Mor Edan, who was orphaned when her parents were murdered while protecting her on October 7.
"What a joy it is to see her with us, but, on the other hand, how sad it is that she is returning to a reality in which she has no parents," Netanyahu said, explaining that he and Biden discussed her situation on their call.
"She has no parents -- but she has an entire nation that embraces her, and we will take care of all her needs."
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 10:34:17 pm
31 minutes ago Elon Musk to meet with Netanyahu, Israeli president and families of hostages By Ronny Reyes
Elon Musk will meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday, along with Israeli President Isaac Herzog and the families of those taken hostage by Hamas.
Herzog's office said that the meeting with the owner of X will be primarily focused on the rise of antisemitism around the world since the war with Hamas began.
"In their meeting, the president will emphasize the need to act to combat rising antisemitism online,” Herzog's office said in a statement.
It comes after Musk had been widely criticized for appearing to endorse an antisemitic conspiracy theory which accuses Jews of facilitating mass migration of minorities to the West.
Musk and X have also been accused by the liberal watchdog group Media Matters for America of promoting neo-Nazi and antisemitic content on the platform, a claim Musk has vehemently denied.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 10:42:05 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 45m #BREAKING: A U.S. Navy warship responded to a distress from the chemical tanker Central Park that had been seized earlier today, officials tell Reuters. The chemical tanker is now safe. (Reuters)
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 10:45:31 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 53m Hamas would be willing to release more women and children in order to prolong the ceasefire, afterwards they would release elderly men, followed by the bodies of deceased hostages. Hamas has so far ruled out releasing Israeli men during the temporary cease-fire. (WSJ)
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 26, 2023, 10:48:36 pm
Footage of the transfer of 17 hostages freed from Hamas Sunday appeared to show Israeli-American survivor Abigail Mor Edan.
A child resembling Abigail -- who turned 4-years-old in captivity on Friday -- was seen in the back of a Red Cross Landcruiser as a convoy transferring the hostages as part of a ceasefire deal made its way through a crowd to safety in Israel.
The young girl was orphaned when her parents were gunned down while protecting her from Hamas terrorists on October 7. Abigail was trapped beneath her father's dead and bloodied body, and crawled to a neighbor's house before finally being captured. Her older siblings, 6 and 9, managed to escape.
Abigail is the first American hostage taken by Hamas in their October attack on Israel to be released.
Her tragic story, and her enduring survival, has become a touchpoint for Americans and Israelis alike.
"I have just spoken with President Biden with great emotion, also about little Avigail, of course," Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday. "What a joy it is to see her with us, but, on the other hand, how sad it is that she is returning to a reality in which she has no parents."
"She has no parents -- but she has an entire nation that embraces her and we will take care of all her needs."
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 01:03:11 am
Israel-Hamas war: Hostage Elma Avraham remains in critical condition after 'significant neglect'
Israeli doctors say that Elma Avraham, the 84-year-old Israeli hostage who was rushed to a hospital after being released by Hamas on Sunday, remains in critical condition.
In a statement, Soroka Medical Center CEO Dr. Shlomi Codish said that the elderly woman was "significant[ly]" neglected by her Hamas captors.
"[Avraham] is treated in an emergency department after significant medical neglect for the past several weeks while being held by Hamas," Codish said. "She is currently in unstable condition with risk to her life and will be admitted to our intensive care unit and we hope we will able to stabilize it and improve her condition."
"Soroka Medical Center has been at the forefront of treating casualties of the horrible events of October 7th...it is horrific that we now need to continue to care for elderly patients held in underground tunnels for seven weeks with total medical neglect and disregard for their care, which is a miracle," the doctor added.
Fox News Digital's Dana Karni contributed to this report. Posted by Andrea Vacchiano
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 01:05:08 am
The Prime Minister of Israel's office has released footage of a kidnapped family arriving back in Israel after being in Hamas captivity for over six weeks.
Shoshan Haran, 67, Adi Shoham, 38, 8-year-old Nave Shoham and 3-year-old Yahel Shoham were all taken captive by Hamas terrorists at the beginning of the Israel-Hamas war.
The four family members were part of the hostage group that were released on Saturday night. They were four of 13 Israelis who were freed at that time.
The video shows Nave and Yahel smiling and playing with toys in the Israeli facility. The beaming family members were also seen holding hands as they were escorted by military personnel. Posted by Andrea Vacchiano
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 01:06:40 am
(https://a57.foxnews.com/livenews.foxnews.com/images/2023/11/1440/810/280a4db3153c4fccd58d4e62113cc22e.jpg?tl=1&ve=1) Maayan Zin embraced 15-year-old daughter Dafna and 8-year-old daughter Ela after the hostage ordeal.
Israeli officials have released a photo of Maayan Zin embracing her 15-year-old daughter Dafna and 8-year-old daughter Ela after the two children were held captive by Hamas.
The girls were released by Hamas on Sunday. Their mother released a statement thanking the family's supporters and expressing happiness that she reunited with her daughters.
"After a long period in which I lived in terrible uncertainty, my daughters are finally with me," Zin's statement read. "These were 51 days in which I lived between despair and hope, between pain and optimism, and I am happy that now I am here with them. The girls are returning to a new and complex situation, and now we have a period of recovery that will take time."
Zin also said that she felt "a joy mixed with sadness."
"Joy for my daughters who are here and sadness for those who have not yet returned," the mother added. "My heart will not be whole again until everyone returns home safely.”
Fox News Digital's Dana Karni contributed to this report.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 01:10:42 am
What we know about the 14 Israeli hostages released by Hamas on Sunday By Social Links for Alex Oliveira Published Nov. 26, 2023, 7:28 p.m. ET
Hamas released 17 more hostages Sunday, including nine children and an 84-year-old mother of five who Israel said is in life-threatening condition.
Sunday’s group of 14 Israeli citizens and three Thai nationals brings the total freed since the four-day ceasefire with Israel began Thursday to 58.
Among those released was the first American citizen to be freed during the cease-fire: a girl who turned 4 years old in captivity and whose parents were murdered by the terror group during its October 7 attack on Israel.
A Russian-Israeli was also freed — the first Israeli adult male to be released during the cease-fire. He was working as a sound engineer at the Tribe of Nova music festival when it was overwhelmed by Hamas.
In return for the hostages, Israel agreed to hand over dozens of Palestinian prisoners and send truckloads of humanitarian aid into Gaza.
The cease-fire deal allowed for Hamas to extend the truce one day for every 10 additional hostages released.
These are the 14 Israelis freed Sunday:
more with photos https://nypost.com/2023/11/26/news/what-we-know-about-the-14-israeli-hostages-released-by-hamas-on-sunday/
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 01:19:50 am
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 1h Important to Note that 2 Naval Vessels of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Navy were also in the Area to receive the Distress Message but appear to have Ignored the Call.
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Post by: SZonian on November 27, 2023, 01:46:54 am
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 1h Important to Note that 2 Naval Vessels of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Navy were also in the Area to receive the Distress Message but appear to have Ignored the Call.
Since they were captured, maybe they'll be of some intel use. Doubtful, but just maybe. My gut instinct though when reading that "...only Warning Shots were Fired by Naval Personnel." Disgusting! Should have been "shoot to kill" orders. Those vermin have absolutely no "protection" under International Law or the Law of Armed Conflict. They should have been destroyed.
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Post by: catfish1957 on November 27, 2023, 01:50:46 am
:bkmk:
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Post by: Smokin Joe on November 27, 2023, 02:34:44 am
Since they were captured, maybe they'll be of some intel use. Doubtful, but just maybe. My gut instinct though when reading that "...only Warning Shots were Fired by Naval Personnel." Disgusting! Should have been "shoot to kill" orders. Those vermin have absolutely no "protection" under International Law or the Law of Armed Conflict. They should have been destroyed.
You can't know if they have any intel value if you can't question them. :shrug:
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Post by: Elderberry on November 27, 2023, 11:58:28 am
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN ·
WATCH: More than 50 days after the massacre, new footage emerges of Hamas terrorists attacking a gas station minimarket, first attempting to find and kill the employees who successfully escaped, and then choosing to raid the shelves instead
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Post by: Elderberry on November 27, 2023, 11:59:04 am
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com ·
IDF plans to expand Gaza assault once ceasefire ends; army says only small number of Palestinians returned to northern Gaza, where Israeli forces prepare to destroy remaining Hamas strongholds. via @Haaretz
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Post by: Elderberry on November 27, 2023, 11:59:52 am
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN ·
Israel is seeing an unprecedented level of solidarity from its Arab citizens in the wake of the indiscriminate Hamas massacre
Now, lawmakers must seize this moment to amend the Nationality Law and solidify that feeling of unity
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Post by: Elderberry on November 27, 2023, 12:01:11 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com ·
Israeli doctors: Freed Hamas hostages suffer from malnutrition, not given required medicine for chronic illnesses; 84-year-old Alma Avraham fighting for her life. via @WallaNews & @ynetalerts
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Post by: Elderberry on November 27, 2023, 12:02:48 pm
Trey Yingst @TreyYingst·
TODAY: @elonmusk visited Kfar Aza with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Last week, Musk announced that “X Corp will be donating all revenue from advertising & subscriptions associated with the war in Gaza to hospitals in Israel and the Red Cross/Crescent in Gaza.”
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Post by: Elderberry on November 27, 2023, 12:04:25 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN·
'Eventually, I believe #Hamas leadership will try to negotiate and trade their lives, and their safe exit from Gaza for out hostages, especially for our soldiers,'
@cisorgil's David Shimoni talks about a possible future change in Hamas' equation to release more hostages
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Post by: Elderberry on November 27, 2023, 12:07:10 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
'Eventually, I believe #Hamas leadership will try to negotiate and trade their lives, and their safe exit from Gaza for out hostages, especially for our soldiers,'
@cisorgil's David Shimoni talks about a possible future change in Hamas' equation to release more hostages
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 01:36:43 pm
Family of Russian-Israeli Hostage: He Escaped Hamas, Was Recaptured by Palestinian Civilians
The aunt of Roni Krivoi, 25, a Russian-Israeli who was one of the hostages released Sunday by Hamas terrorists, told an Israeli radio station Monday that he had escaped and hidden for four days in Gaza before being caught again by Palestinian civilians.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/11/27/family-of-russian-israeli-hostage-he-escaped-hamas-was-recaptured-by-palestinian-civilians/
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Post by: mountaineer on November 27, 2023, 01:42:08 pm
So Hamas is violating the hostage release agreement. Surprise.
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Aviva Klompas @AvivaKlompas CNN is reporting that there are several ongoing issues with the list of hostages set to be released today. One issue is that there are no mothers on today's list and the agreement stipulated that children would be released with their mothers. 8:27 AM · Nov 27, 2023
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Post by: Hoodat on November 27, 2023, 02:25:37 pm
Family of Russian-Israeli Hostage: He Escaped Hamas, Was Recaptured by Palestinian Civilians
The aunt of Roni Krivoi, 25, a Russian-Israeli who was one of the hostages released Sunday by Hamas terrorists, told an Israeli radio station Monday that he had escaped and hidden for four days in Gaza before being caught again by Palestinian civilians.
Captured by Palestinian civilians and handed right back over to Hamas. 'Innocents' my ass.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 02:42:15 pm
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 8m Hamas using ceasefire to move hostages to new hideouts in Gaza, CNN reports. This may enable Israel to monitor movements, detect new clues. Next stage of war may include more hostage-rescue ops.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 02:44:53 pm
Trey Yingst reposted Jennifer Griffin @JenGriffinFNC · 12h Two senior U.S. officials tell me that Houthi forces fired two ballistic missiles at the USS Mason this evening in the Gulf of Aden following the Navy’s arrest of 5 gunmen who tried to hijack the MV Central Park. The U.S. Navy successfully rescued the vessel.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 02:46:34 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 57m About 10,000 people living in the United States have reported for Israeli military duty after receiving draft notices, part of a larger mobilization of 360,000 troops. (WaPo)
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 02:50:16 pm
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i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 4m · 🔴 Egypt reports the ceasefire will be extended by two days, and will include the release of 20 Israeli hostages and 60 terrorists
Trey Yingst reposted Jennifer Griffin @JenGriffinFNC · 12h Two senior U.S. officials tell me that Houthi forces fired two ballistic missiles at the USS Mason this evening in the Gulf of Aden
I remember a time not too long ago when firing at US ships on the open seas was considered to be an act of war.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 04:19:58 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 50m ❗️Hostage release back on track: 9 children, 2 mothers expected to be freed today; families in Israel updated. via @N12News
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 04:20:35 pm
You can't know if they have any intel value if you can't question them. :shrug:
Well okay I see your point, but they're pirates so afterwards can they be hung from the tower or taken well out to sea and made to walk the plank? :whistle:
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 05:15:12 pm
Well okay I see your point, but they're pirates so afterwards can they be hung from the tower or taken well out to sea and made to walk the plank? :whistle:
The Russians had the right idea about Piracy: Let them go in the middle of an ocean in a leaky lifeboat, then watch the radar as the blip disappears into the water.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 05:21:36 pm
Israel continues 'complex' efforts to rescue hostages
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 06:36:42 pm
Hamas released 11 Israeli citizens to the International Red Cross on Monday in the fourth exchange of the terrorist group's ongoing cease-fire with Israel.
The exchange comes hours after Israel and Hamas agreed to a two-day extension to the current cease-fire, which was set to expire Monday, according to the Wall Street Journal. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office has expressed openness to extending the cease-fire by one day for every 10 Israeli hostages released.
Hamas released 58 hostages over the first three days of the cease-fire, including 40 Israeli citizens. In exchange, Israel released roughly 150 Palestinian criminals held in Israeli prisons. Posted by Anders Hagstrom
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 06:36:50 pm
Trey Yingst @TreyYingst · 8m Wow. Israeli media reports that Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in Gaza, met with some of the hostages, according to a woman who was released.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 06:37:29 pm
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post · 23m · The Bibas family, which includes Ariel, 4, and Kfir, ten months old, are not in Hamas custody, the IDF said on Monday. They are being held in the Khan Younis area by a different Palestinian group.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 06:38:25 pm
Jennifer Griffin @JenGriffinFNC 12h Two senior U.S. officials tell me that Houthi forces fired two ballistic missiles at the USS Mason this evening in the Gulf of Aden following the Navy’s arrest of 5 gunmen who tried to hijack the MV Central Park. The U.S. Navy successfully rescued the vessel.
More about that from this reporter:
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Jared Szuba @JM_Szuba Just now: Pentagon initially assesses the five individuals detained by the USS Mason in aftermath of attempted hijacking of M/V Central Park are Somali 11:12 AM · Nov 27, 2023
Jared Szuba @JM_Szuba “We know that they’re not Houthi,” @PentagonPresSec Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder tells reporters 11:14 AM · Nov 27, 2023
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Post by: Smokin Joe on November 27, 2023, 08:38:31 pm
Well okay I see your point, but they're pirates so afterwards can they be hung from the tower or taken well out to sea and made to walk the plank? :whistle:
Keel haul them, for all I care.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 09:19:10 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 09:20:01 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF IDF and ISA forces are currently accompanying 11 released hostages inside Israeli territory. After they undergo an initial medical assessment, our forces will accompany them until they are reunited with their families.
The IDF, together with the entire Israeli security establishment, will continue operating until all the hostages are returned home.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 09:20:48 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 09:26:19 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 8m Director of Gaza's Shifa hospital under arrest in Israel on charges of aiding enemy during wartime, providing service to terror organization. via @avishaigrinzaig
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 09:44:09 pm
American military forces stationed in Iraq and Syria have been attacked for the 74th time since October 17, officials say.
The latest incident happened at Patrol Base Shaddadi in Syria. Officials say that no injuries or damage have been reported.
The attacks began as the Israel-Hamas war escalated in mid-October. Iran-backed militant groups have been targeting American bases with a mix of one-way drones and rockets.
38 of the attacks happened to American forces in Syria, while the other 36 have happened in Iraq.
Fox News Digital's Liz Friden contributed to this report. Posted by Andrea Vacchiano
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 10:17:03 pm
'Squad' silent after anti-Israel group points finger at Palestinians in Gaza hospital blast
Human Rights Watch concluded Sunday that the Oct. 17 explosion at al-Ahli Arab Hospital “resulted from an apparent rocket-propelled munition, such as those commonly used by Palestinian armed groups, that hit hospital grounds.”
A human rights organization with a long history of anti-Israel statements and behavior has belatedly acknowledged that “evidence points to [a] misfired rocket” by Palestinian terrorists causing a Gaza hospital explosion last month — drawing silence from far-left members of Congress who blamed the Jewish state for the blast.
Human Rights Watch concluded Sunday that the Oct. 17 explosion at al-Ahli Arab Hospital “resulted from an apparent rocket-propelled munition, such as those commonly used by Palestinian armed groups, that hit hospital grounds.”
“While misfires are frequent, further investigation is needed to determine who launched the apparent rocket and whether the laws of war were violated,” the organization said in a report released Sunday.
“Squad” Reps. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) immediately blamed the Israel Defense Forces for the hospital blast, citing death counts shared by the Hamas-controlled Gaza Ministry of Health and demanding a cease-fire.
more https://nypost.com/2023/11/27/news/squad-silent-after-group-blames-palestinians-in-hospital-blast/
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 10:18:18 pm
Hamas Will Not Release 10-month-Old Israeli Baby; Transferred to Other Terrorists
The Palestinian terrorist group Hamas is refusing to release an infant Israeli hostage, Kfir Bibas, who was nine months old at the time of his abduction, among the 50-70 hostages it is letting go as part of a four-to-six-day “pause” in the fighting.
Hamas Will Not Release 10-month-Old Israeli Baby; Transferred to Other Terrorists
The Palestinian terrorist group Hamas is refusing to release an infant Israeli hostage, Kfir Bibas, who was nine months old at the time of his abduction, among the 50-70 hostages it is letting go as part of a four-to-six-day “pause” in the fighting.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 10:24:38 pm
8 minutes ago Nine children — including 3-year-old twins — among 11 hostages freed by Hamas on Monday By Ronny Reyes
Hamas freed 11 more Israeli hostages — nine children and two mothers — Monday, Israel said.
The Israeli military confirmed that the nearly dozen kidnap victims had been handed over to the Red Cross and are back in Israel.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/11/hostages-sharon-aloni-cunio-34-72909697-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all) Hostages Sharon Aloni-Cunio, 34, and twins Emma and Yuli Cunio, 3, are handed over by Hamas terrorists to members of the International Committee of the Red Cross at an unknown location in the Gaza Strip, in this screengrab taken from video released Monday, Nov. 27.via REUTERS
The hostages were expected to be freed in exchange for 33 Palestinian prisoners from Israel.
The newly freed hostages were identified as Sharon Cunio, 33, and her 3-year-old twins, Emma and Yuli; Karina Engel, 51, and her two daughters, Mika, 18, and Yuval, 10; 16-year-old Amit Shani; brother and sister Sahar, 16, and Erez Calderon, 12; and brothers Or, 16, and Yigil Yaakov, 12, the Times of Israel reported.
They will undergo medical assessments, with Israeli soldiers set to escort them until they are finally reunited with their families after being trapped in Gaza for seven weeks, the IDF said.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 27, 2023, 10:55:54 pm
Hamas' military wing put out chilling imagery Monday showing its masked terrorists exchanging waves goodbye with their Israeli kidnapping victims after handing them over to the Red Cross.
I feel certain Hamas didn't want it coming out that they killed an 84 year old. So they just released when she was close to death.
No, they simply exchanged her while she was still worth something, knowing they wouldn't get anything at all for her in a few days time. Hamas has no qualms about killing 84-year-old women.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 12:37:13 am
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 52m #BREAKING: Reports of emergency phone lines in Israel for police, fire and rescue services being down, possible cyber attack
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 12:41:58 am
It’s hard to believe Hamas. I won’t believe anything until we see proof of life.
IDF Arabic spokesman Avichay Adraee announced that Hamas transferred the Bibas family, including the children, to another terrorist group.
Hamas kidnapped Jordan and Shiri Bibas with their sons Ariel, 4, and Kfir, ten months, from Kibbutz Nir Oz.
Kfir is the youngest Hamas hostage.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 28, 2023, 01:04:24 am
Israel struck a deal with Musk to limit Starlink in Gaza, minister says
NBC by Kevin Collier https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-hostages-rcna126751#rcrd26687 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-hostages-rcna126751#rcrd26687)
Elon Musk has struck a deal with Israel that will formally limit use of potential Starlink satellite internet terminals in Gaza, the company's minister of communications, Shlomo Karhi, said today.
Palestinians in Gaza have experienced severe telecommunications blackouts since the war began, with the area's largest internet provider citing Israel's bombing campaigns and fuel and electricity embargoes as the reasons. All broadband internet and phone calls in Gaza are routed through Israeli infrastructure.
Thanks to its fast speeds and ease of use, Starlink, owned by Musk's company SpaceX, is widely regarded as some of the most effective satellite internet to deploy to conflict zones.
Musk had initially claimed back in October that Starlink “will support connectivity to internationally recognized aid organizations in Gaza.” But Khari, whose office approves internet licensing in Israel, said at the time that "Israel will use all means at its disposal" to stop that deployment.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 28, 2023, 02:12:53 am
OSINTdefender @sentdefender
Elon Musk stated during a Visit today to Israel in which met with Isreali Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Isaac Herzog, while also Touring the Towns near the Border with Gaza that were Razed during the Hamas Surprise Attack on October 7th that, “There is No Choice but to Kill those who Insist on Murdering Civilians.”
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 02:50:49 am
8 minutes ago Israel receives list of additional Hamas hostages to be released By Reuters
Israel's government has received a list of hostages held by Hamas in Gaza who are expected to be released on Tuesday under an extended truce deal with the terrorist group, Israel's Army Radio reported, citing the Israeli prime minister's office.
The Axios news website reported the list contained 10 hostages.
There was no immediate comment from the prime minister's office.
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Post by: 240B on November 28, 2023, 02:52:27 am
It’s hard to believe Hamas. I won’t believe anything until we see proof of life.
So far, Hamas is only giving up hostages which are in relatively good condition. This way they can claim, "see ... we treated them well." The young women and children who have been repeatedly raped, beaten, tortured, and starved, will likely NEVER be handed over. Hamas will claim that they cannot find them or that they never had them.
Like the NAZIs before them, Hamas will attempt to eliminate any and all evidence of atrocities committed against the hostages by killing them and disposing of the bodies. Like the NAZIs, Hamas does not want prisoners on international news describing the sick and sadistic things Hamas did to them.
They will only release hostages who are relatively healthy or dead. The hostages being tortured and abused will never be released except by Israeli forces. Hamas will try to hide and cover up their perverted treatment of prisoners.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 28, 2023, 12:25:38 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN 'This clearly helps the other side, but as difficult as it is, the army and practically everyone in Israel understands this is a prize worth paying, for the reward that Israel is getting'
Our @jregevi24news breaks down how the extended ceasefire will benefit #Hamas and make the operation in #Gaza harder for the IDF
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Post by: Elderberry on November 28, 2023, 12:27:33 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · IDF calls on the Red Cross to visit hostages that remain in #Gaza
'The anger here is towards the double standard of these organizations, on the one hand criticizing Israel for everything happening in Gaza and on the other hand not helping at all' Our @jregevi24news says
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Post by: Elderberry on November 28, 2023, 12:30:42 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'No sane human being can watch these images and not get emotional'
Our @ariel_oseran breaks down how #Hamas is using psychological warfare to sway international public opinion, evident in their propaganda videos of hostage releases
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Post by: Elderberry on November 28, 2023, 12:34:18 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'I think there is no other choice but to continue the war'
Col. (Ret.) Dr. Jacques Neriah breaks down the two main issues at hand, the release of hostages and the eradication of #Hamas, and how it relates to the threat of #Hezbollah
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Post by: Elderberry on November 28, 2023, 12:34:53 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Palestinian prisoner released in hostage deal was returned to Gaza despite his objections; he wanted to stay in Israeli jail, where he got a salary from Palestinian Authority; his wishes were ignored & he was sent back to Rafah. via @avishaigrinzaig
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Post by: Elderberry on November 28, 2023, 12:38:48 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Terminating Gaza Terror Threat
Some Hamas terrorists & weapons will likely survive the Gaza war. Israel’s strategic mission is to terminate the terror threat posed by Gaza, in 4 steps, as follows:
1. Demolish Hamas strength: Eliminate numerous terrorists, destroy weapons & tunnels. Gaza's military power will be severely degraded.
2. Gaza buffer zone: Terrorists will no longer be able to freely access the border, collect intel, plant bombs
3. Stronger defenses: Israel will bolster forces & military hardware near Gaza. Intel doctrine will change. Invading Israel will be harder.
4. Ongoing action: lDF will bomb or raid emerging terror sites, preventing Hamas from rebuilding & regrouping.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 02:02:40 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 24m · Gaza terrorists breach ceasefire: Several Israeli soldiers wounded after 3 explosive devices detonated in northern Gaza, shots fired at troops; IDF forces return fire. via @N12News
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 02:03:34 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 1h Horrors of Hamas captivity: 12-year-old Israeli hostage was beat up by residents after abduction to Gaza, forced to watch videos of 7 October massacre; crying Israeli children were threatened with gun to stop. via @N12News
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 02:04:45 pm
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 4h 1. Demolish Hamas strength: Eliminate numerous terrorists, destroy weapons & tunnels. Gaza's military power will be severely degraded. 2. Gaza buffer zone: Terrorists will no longer be able to freely access the border, collect intel, plant bombs
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 4h 3. Stronger defenses: Israel will bolster forces & military hardware near Gaza. Intel doctrine will change. Invading Israel will be harder. 4. Ongoing action: lDF will bomb or raid emerging terror sites, preventing Hamas from rebuilding & regrouping.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 02:07:20 pm
US warns Israel over next phase of military operation into southern Gaza by Laura Kelly - 11/28/23 5:00 AM ET
The Biden administration is issuing urgent warnings to Israel over the next phase of its military operation in Gaza, saying a campaign in the south of the strip must not be carried out to the same level of destruction as took place in the north of the territory.
The administration is proposing that Israel agrees to “areas of deconfliction,” to include United Nations facilities and shelters that would not be subject to active military fighting, a senior administration official said in a call with reporters Monday night.
“You cannot have the sort of scale of displacement that took place in the north, replicated in the south,” the official said, as part of a call discussing efforts to scale up humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.
The majority of the population of Gaza, more than 2 million people, are now concentrated in the center and south of the strip. The entire enclave is a mere 141 square miles.
They were displaced by Israel’s assault against Hamas in the north — by air and a ground incursion — carried out in response to the group’s unprecedented terrorist attack against Israel on Oct. 7.
more https://thehill.com/policy/international/4329857-us-warns-israel-military-operation-southern-gaza/
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Post by: Elderberry on November 28, 2023, 02:10:33 pm
Elon Musk Meets With Benjamin Netanyahu In Israel: “It is one thing to kill civilians accidentally, it is another to revel in the killing of civilians. It’s just evil.”
Legal Insurrection 11/27/2023
Netanyahu and Musk “agreed on the clear lesson — there is no chance for peace or security as long as Hamas exists.”
Elon Musk has been under fire of late for supposed antisemitic comments (that weren’t) that outraged the left . . . who are currently holding pro-Hamas rallies, singing songs about the decimation of Israel and the genocide of Jews the world over, cheering the rape and slaughter of defenseless Jewish women and children, and hunting down, even killing, Jews on American soil. So yeah, not buying their faux outrage over fake claims of Musk’s supposed antisemitism.
If there were any doubt, however, Musk’s trip to Israel and long meeting with Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu put it to rest.
The ever-fabulous Ed Morrissey reports:
Elon Musk made a fact-finding trip to Israel this weekend after taking criticism for a tweet response that critics called anti-Semitic, and ended up discovering the obvious. After touring some of the areas attacked on October 7, the self-professed Chief Twit had a one-on-one with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss the implications of the massacres in southern Israel.
They agreed on the clear lesson — there is no chance for peace or security as long as Hamas exists.
. . . . However, Netanyahu goes much farther than that in the clip above of the X/Spaces/Live Chat event; Netanyahu thinks the Gazans can be rehabilitated from their insane levels of Jew-hatred as well. He credits the governments involved in the Abraham Accords for deep cultural changes that allow for old hatreds to be suppressed and eventually ended. Netanyahu foresees their assistance in helping to transform Gaza, especially its mosques and schools, similar to what took place in Germany and Japan after World War II.
Musk appears to be genuinely moved by his visit to one of the sites of the October 7th massacre and by his viewing of Hamas tapes as they gleefully raped, murdered, and terrorized innocent citizens who had been just going about their lives.
Elon Musk Meets With Benjamin Netanyahu In Israel: “It is one thing to kill civilians accidentally, it is another to revel in the killing of civilians. It’s just evil.”
A few points to add to that.
(1) Palestians have had plenty of warning to get out during and since. (2) It is still a hard cold fact that recent polling showed that 75% of Palestenians support Hamas. In my book they are much an enemy as the Hamas feral animal scum. (3) Attrocities of this nature and close proximity could not be hidden from view. They are complicit as far as I am concerned.
In the old days, they used call this collateral damage. From my POV, if you want do avoid getting shot, you don't get at near the line of site of the gun. i.e. my sympathy level for them, is pretty darned low.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 28, 2023, 02:20:26 pm
Daughter of critically ill freed hostage tears into Red Cross: ‘She was medically neglected’
The Times Israel
Elma Avraham (Courtesy)
The daughter of elderly Gaza hostage Elma Avraham, who is in critical condition after being released by terrorists yesterday as part of the ongoing hostage deal, holds an impassioned press conference tearing into the Red Cross for failing to take care of her mother.
Speaking from Beersheba’s Soroka Medical Center, where the 84-year-old is hospitalized in life-threatening condition, Tali Amano describes the appalling condition in which Hamas returned Avraham, after failing to provide her with her daily medications for over 50 days.
“My mother didn’t deserve to return like this,” she says. “My mother was medically neglected. The Red Cross refused to bring her her medications. She arrived with a heart rate of 40 bpm and a body temperature of 28 degrees Celsius, on the verge of losing consciousness and injured all over.
“She was abandoned twice — once on October 7, and a second time by all the organizations that should have saved her,” Amano charges.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 02:29:35 pm
Hamas gives 10-month-old Israeli hostage to separate Palestinian terror group: ‘More psychological torture’
By Social Links for Kenneth Garger Published Nov. 28, 2023, 2:28 a.m. ET
A 10-month-old Israeli boy — the youngest hostage captured by Hamas — and his family have been handed off to another Palestinian terror group in what one relative decried as “just more psychological torture.”
An Arabic spokesman for the Israel DF, Avichay Adraee, revealed Monday night that the Bibas family — including infant Kfir, his 4-year-old brother, Ariel, and their parents — were being held captive in the southern city of Khan Younis following the disturbing move.
“In Hamas prison, infants under one-year-old who have not seen the light of day for more than 50 days are detained,” Adraee wrote in a post to X.
“Hamas treats them as if they were spoils and sometimes hands them over to other terrorist organizations in the Gaza Strip.
“For example, the Bibas family, the two red-haired children ‘The Reds,’ who were kidnapped from their home in Nir Oz by a member of the Hamas terrorist organization and are being held in the Khan Yunis area by one of the Palestinian factions,” he wrote.
more https://nypost.com/2023/11/28/news/hamas-gives-10-month-old-israeli-hostage-to-separate-palestinian-terror-group-more-psychological-torture/
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Post by: Elderberry on November 28, 2023, 02:41:32 pm
Biden is the primary obstacle to Israeli victory
JNS by Caroline B. Glick 11/27/2023
The time has come to discuss the Biden administration’s relationship with Israel. With each passing day, two things become obvious. First, Israel cannot fight the war without U.S. resupply of the Israel Defense Forces. As a consequence, Israel is beholden to the administration’s directives. And second, if Israel follows the Biden administration’s directives, it will lose the war.
Israel’s dependence on the United States was stated bluntly by retired IDF Maj. General Yitzhak Brick in an interview earlier this week.
“All of our missiles, the ammunition, the precision-guided bombs, all the airplanes and bombs, it’s all from the U.S. The minute they turn off the tap, you can’t keep fighting. You have no capability. … Everyone understands that we can’t fight this war without the United States. Period.”
Brick went on to explain that President Joe Biden’s demand that Israel permit “humanitarian aid” to enter Gaza means that he is demanding that Israel keep Hamas fully supplied with food, water and fuel.
His demand that Israel minimize Palestinian civilian casualties endangers IDF soldiers and renders the expansion of the ground offensive into central and southern Gaza, where the bulk of Hamas’s force is now located, almost impossible to carry out. Brick suggested various forms of long-term tunnel warfare and other suggestions for how the IDF may be able to defeat Hamas over time while operating within the constraints that Biden and his top advisors are dictating.
It is hard to judge whether Brick’s suggestions are workable without access to situational intelligence about conditions on the ground in southern Gaza. At a minimum, it is clear that Biden’s preference for the lives of civilians in Gaza over the lives of IDF soldiers on the ground ensures that far more soldiers will be killed in the fighting than would otherwise. Three weeks ago, the administration began demanding that Israel limit (or cancel entirely) its pre-ground battle aerial bombings. Consequently, in the week that preceded this week’s “humanitarian pause,” the IDF’s battle losses were overwhelmingly the consequence of sniper fire from Hamas terrorists hiding in buildings that the air force did not destroy before the battles, due to U.S. pressure.
Then there is the issue of the hostages. Israel is duty-bound to the hostages, their families and Israeli society as a whole to rescue them. There are two ways to do this. Israel can bow to Hamas’s demands, as it is presently doing by suspending its offensive, and endangering Israel’s soldiers and civilians by permitting Hamas to rebuild and reorganize its forces, and by releasing terrorists from its prisons and retuning them to Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria. Or it can renew its military operation, locate the hostages and rescue them itself. Clearly, the second option is preferable.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 02:42:11 pm
Father describes how his young daughter Emily Hand survived Hamas captivity
By Clarissa Ward, Brent Swails and Rachel Clarke, CNN
Updated: 9:21 AM EST, Tue November 28, 2023
Source: CNN
Emily Hand had to run from house to house, forced to move by Hamas as Israeli forces attacked Gaza, her father Thomas Hand told CNN.
“That’s terrifying. Being pulled, dragged, pushed … under gunfire probably,” he said on Tuesday.
It’s one of the details that his daughter is slowly sharing of what happened after she was kidnapped on October 7 and taken to Gaza, a place she now calls “the box.”
“She’s coming out slowly, little by little,” Hand said.
“We’ll only know what she really went through as she opens up,” he told CNN. “I want to know so much information … but you have to let them, when they are ready, come out with it.”
more https://lite.cnn.com/2023/11/28/middleeast/thomas-hand-emily-hostage-intl/index.html
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 03:04:54 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF Over the last hour, 3 explosive devices were detonated adjacent to IDF troops in 2 different locations in northern Gaza, violating the framework of the operational pause.
In one of the locations, terrorists also opened fire at the troops, who responded with fire. A number of soldiers were lightly injured during the incidents.
IDF troops were located in positions as per the framework of the operational pause.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 03:06:46 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 03:09:14 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 2h CIA Director William J. Burns arrived in Qatar today for secret meetings with Israel’s spy chief and Qatar’s prime minister aimed at brokering an expansive deal between Israel and Hamas, to now include men and military personnel for a longer multi-day deal. (WaPo)
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 03:10:38 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 3h The U.S. is asking Israel to take greater care to protect civilians and limit damage to infrastructure if it launches an offensive in southern Gaza to avoid further displacements that would overwhelm humanitarian efforts. (Ynet)
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 04:22:25 pm
First Medical Reports on Released Hamas Hostages Are in, and They Aren't Good Bonchie 2–3 minutes
The first reports about the medical conditions of the hostages released from Hamas captivity are out, and they aren't good.
The news comes on the heels of several dozen hostages being released as part of a rolling ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas. The halt in hostilities is expected to last as long as the terrorist government continues to release those they took captive on October 7th as planned. Israel has vowed to resume military action to destroy Hamas once the ceasefire ends.
As to the condition of the hostages that have been returned, initial reports show signs of starvation and malnutrition.
Hamas is known to possess a vast reserve of food, hoarded by stealing from international aid shipments. That some of the hostages went days without food would suggest that was an active choice made by Hamas, not a result of simply not having enough supply. The terrorist government has attempted to use psychological warfare throughout the war, specifically in relation to the hostages themselves. Some of those who were released hadn't even been told their family members were murdered by Hamas on October 7th.
more https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/11/27/first-medical-reports-on-released-hamas-hostages-are-in-and-they-arent-good-n2166859
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Post by: DCPatriot on November 28, 2023, 04:26:55 pm
First Medical Reports on Released Hamas Hostages Are in, and They Aren't Good Bonchie 2–3 minutes
The first reports about the medical conditions of the hostages released from Hamas captivity are out, and they aren't good.
The news comes on the heels of several dozen hostages being released as part of a rolling ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas. The halt in hostilities is expected to last as long as the terrorist government continues to release those they took captive on October 7th as planned. Israel has vowed to resume military action to destroy Hamas once the ceasefire ends.
As to the condition of the hostages that have been returned, initial reports show signs of starvation and malnutrition.
Hamas is known to possess a vast reserve of food, hoarded by stealing from international aid shipments. That some of the hostages went days without food would suggest that was an active choice made by Hamas, not a result of simply not having enough supply. The terrorist government has attempted to use psychological warfare throughout the war, specifically in relation to the hostages themselves. Some of those who were released hadn't even been told their family members were murdered by Hamas on October 7th.
more https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/11/27/first-medical-reports-on-released-hamas-hostages-are-in-and-they-arent-good-n2166859
What did they expect?
At the actual battlefield level, Hamas are just a bunch of resistance fighters, compared to an organized professional military like IDF
They don't have the facilities, nor the inclination to ensure the health of all the hostages while they are scurrying.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 04:29:06 pm
Aunt Says Hamas Tortured Israeli Child Hostages, Threatened at Gunpoint
Joel B. Pollak 28 Nov 2023
The aunt of an Israeli child hostage recently freed by Hamas as part of a deal with Israel told French television that the terrorists had beaten the children, forced them to watch videos of atrocities at gunpoint, and threatened them with guns when they cried.
Deborah Cohen, the aunt of Eitan Yahalomi, 12, who is a dual French-Israeli citizen, told French TV outlet BFMTV on Tuesday (translated from French): “Eitan apparently saw horrors over there [in Gaza]. … Hamas forced Eitan to watch a horror film [of October 7], that no one could [bear to] watch … Every time that a child cried over there, they threatened [the child] with a gun to be quiet.” She added that child hostages had been beaten when they arrived in Gaza after being kidnapped by Hamas.
Eitan Yahalomi was abducted during the October 7 terror attack from Kibbutz Nir Oz, along with his father Ohad, who remains a hostage. Nir Oz was one of the hardest hit communities in the attack, with a quarter of the population murdered or kidnapped as hostages. All of the eleven Israeli hostages released in the fourth and final planned release Monday were women and children who were separated from their husbands and fathers, who are still being held as hostages in Gaza by the terrorist organization.
Yahalomi’s account adds to growing evidence that Israeli hostages were abused in captivity. Other accounts have mentioned being deprived of food, water, and medicine, and being unable to see light or use the bathroom.
In addition, reports are beginning to emerge about long-term psychological harm to the child hostages caused by Hamas.
Thomas Hand, the father of nine-year-old Emily Hand, who was thought dead before being confirmed as a hostage and later released, spoke to CNN on Tuesday, saying that his daughter would not speak above a whisper and was crying herself to sleep:
“It was only when she stepped back that I could see her face was chiseled, like mine, whereas before it was chubby, girly, a young kid face.”
“The most shocking, disturbing part of meeting her was she was just whispering, you couldn’t hear her. I had to put my ear on her lips,” he says. “She’d been conditioned not to make any noise.”
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“Last night she cried until her face was red and blotchy, she couldn’t stop. She didn’t want any comfort, I guess she’s forgotten how to be comforted,” Hand says. “She went under the covers of the bed, the quilt, covered herself up and quietly cried.”
The Red Cross has not visited the hostages and is being faulted by relatives of the hostages for failing to provide them with needed medicines or to advocate for their welfare.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 04:40:42 pm
8 minutes ago
Three IDF soldiers captured by Hamas terrorists have been confirmed dead, the Times of Israel reports.
Staff Sgt. Tomer Yaakov Ahimas, 20, Sgt. Kiril Brodski, 19, and Sgt. Shaked Dahan, 19, were confirmed to have been killed on October 7.
395 IDF troops have been killed since October 7, out of over 1,200 total Israelis murdered by Hamas terrorists.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 04:54:03 pm
Blinken returning to Israel amid hopes for cease-fire extension by Miranda Nazzaro - 11/28/23 8:55 AM ET
Secretary of State Antony Blinken is expected to return to Israel this week amid hopes for an extended cease-fire.
The trip will mark his third visit to the region since the war between Israel and the militant group Hamas broke out last month.
During the visit, Blinken will “discuss Israel’s right to defend itself consistent with international humanitarian law, as well as continued efforts to secure the release of remaining hostages, protect civilian life during Israel’s operations in Gaza, and accelerate humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza,” the State Department said in a statement.
He is also expected to discuss the future of a Palestinian state in post-conflict Gaza and preventing a wider escalation of the conflict, the department added.
Blinken’s visit comes as the first extension of a temporary truce between the groups is set to expire. Israel and Hamas agreed to extend the pause in fighting in Gaza for an additional two days Monday to facilitate the release of additional hostages and prisoners.
Under the initial four-day cease-fire, which was set to expire Monday, Hamas released four rounds of hostages, mostly women and children taken during the group’s Oct. 7 surprise assault in southern Israel. more https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4330483-blinken-israel-hopes-cease-fire-extension/
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 04:57:31 pm
2 minutes ago 85-year-old Holocaust survivor kidnapped by Hamas terrorists released from hospital By Ronny Reyes
Yafa Adar, the 85-year-old grandmother who was seen kidnapped by Hamas in a golf cart, has finally been released from the hospital following her seven weeks in captivity.
Adar, a Holocaust survivor who was among the first group released by Hamas on Friday, was discharged from Israel's Wolfson Medical Center on Tuesday.
She was seen in good health receiving flowers as she shook the hands of the medical staff applauded her quick recovery.
Her family had noted that Adar had lost a significant amount of weight after being kidnapped from Kibbutz Nir Oz on Oct. 7.
Adar, a founder of Kibbutz Nir Oz, is now returning to her family's side as they anxiously await news of her grandson, Tamir, 38, who remains in captivity in Gaza.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 05:08:35 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 59m IDF confirms: handover of 10 Israeli hostages to Red Cross in Gaza is underway. via @N12News
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 05:09:47 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 05:13:17 pm
14 minutes ago Fifth round of hostages released to Red Cross By Ronny Reyes
More hostages being held by Hamas have been released to the Red Cross as part of the latest round of an extended truce agreement between the terrorist group and Israel.
The Red Cross is processing the hostages, estimated at 10, on Tuesday morning, with the IDF set to transfer the group to Israel, according to the local N12 News outlet.
The release comes after Qatari officials, who are leading the negotiations between Israel and Hamas, said that 20 hostages would be released in the span of 48 hours.
With Tuesday's release, 79 hostages in Gaza have been freed so far, with Israeli officials estimating that about 160 others remain in captivity.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office added that it had sent a list of 50 Palestinian prisoners that could be freed in exchange for more hostages and an extension of the truce agreement.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 06:12:13 pm
48 min(s) ago UN 'downplayed' Hamas violence to perpetuate image of Israel as 'the aggressor': Israeli professor
Israel is attempting to get the United Nations to recognize and condemn Hamas’ sexual crimes against Israeli women and girls, allegedly perpetrated during the Hamas-led terror attack on Oct. 7.
During a meeting at the U.N. in Geneva on Monday, Israeli officials attempted to raise awareness of the alleged sexual violence against women and urged the international body – which often condemns global injustices and human rights violations – not to keep quiet about the issue.
Ruth Halperin-Kaddari, an associate professor at the Bar-Ilan University, who spoke at the event, told Reuters that the U.N. rights bodies have "downplayed" and "minimized" sexual violence to perpetuate Israel as "the aggressor" in the current conflict.
"Among the war crimes and the crimes against humanity that Hamas committed on October 7th were also sexual crimes, sexual assaults, rapes, that were part, that were a systematic part of their attack, of the massacre and we are expecting a strong condemnation," she said. "We expected recognition of that. We expected a clear and loud statement that says that there is no justification for using the bodies of women as a weapon of war. None of this came until now."
The professor said she was "deeply concerned, because of the complete lack of acknowledgment, of recognition by United Nations bodies and entities and by the international human rights world, lack of recognition that indeed Hamas committed horrific sexual crimes against women, against women and girls, on October 7th in Israel."
Posted by Anders Hagstrom
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 06:22:11 pm
Hamas Held Israeli Child Hostage Alone for 16 Days: Grandmother
Hamas terrorists held an Israeli child hostage alone for 16 days, according to the child’s grandmother, commenting after his release Monday night.
Eitan Yahalomi, 12, was tortured during his confinement — beaten, forced at gunpoint to watch videos of Hamas atrocities, and threatened with death when he and other children cried.
As Breitbart News reported Tuesday:
Deborah Cohen, the aunt of Eitan Yahalomi, 12, who is a dual French-Israeli citizen, told French TV outlet BFMTV on Tuesday (translated from French): “Eitan apparently saw horrors over there [in Gaza]. … Hamas forced Eitan to watch a horror film [of October 7], that no one could [bear to] watch … Every time that a child cried over there, they threatened [the child] with a gun to be quiet.” She added that child hostages had been beaten when they arrived in Gaza after being kidnapped by Hamas.
Now, Yahalomi’s grandmother, Esther Yahalomi, is speaking out, according to the Times of Israel:
Esther Yahalomi, the grandmother of the recently freed tween, says his first 16 days as a hostage were the toughest because he was left completely alone.
“A month ago they moved him to a group of people from Nir Oz, and it was much easier for him there. His caregiver from preschool was there, and he was able to see familiar faces,” she tells Hebrew-language media outside the Tel Aviv hospital where he is recuperating.
She added that Eitan had lost weight and was having trouble speaking since his release.
Another hostage, Elma Avraham, 84, was reportedly expected to survive Tuesday after being rushed to intensive care upon her release. Her family said that the Red Cross had failed to make an effort to ensure she had her medications while in captivity.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 06:47:56 pm
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 29m Reminder: Hamas had YEARS to prepare for war. A few days of ceasefire won't change the strategic picture. There's no magic bullet. Hamas can't stop an IDF assault, before or after the ceasefire.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 06:49:17 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 3h War Cabinet member Benny Gantz clarifies: "After the ceasefire, the fire will be renewed. The war cabinet is united - we are preparing to expand the ground operation"
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 06:53:07 pm
Reminder: Hamas had YEARS to prepare for war. A few days of ceasefire won't change the strategic picture. There's no magic bullet. Hamas can't stop an IDF assault, before or after the ceasefire.
Another reminder: Israel had 56 YEARS to prepare for peace. Continued IDF assault won't change the strategic picture. Israel now must prepare its citizens for the prospect of peace or perpetual, active war.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 07:11:18 pm
No Americans released.....Guess the families didn't buy Hunter's art...hate to be flippant... 9999hair out0000
You literally speak truth here...the American's family payed Biteme a bribe, and Hamas followed through. Are there no depths the Biteme Crime Family will not plumb?
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 07:15:56 pm
No Americans released.....Guess the families didn't buy Hunter's art...hate to be flippant... 9999hair out0000
It is amazing how many of the Israelis killed or taken hostage were die-hard far-far-Left-way out-pro-Palestinian Leftists. Israel has or 'had' a large pro-Palestinian 'peacenik' movement. From what I read, Hamas captured a lot of them. I am sure many of hostages are yelling, "What are you doing? I'm on your side!" These hostages would be in the pro-Palestinian marches in America if the situation was different.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 28, 2023, 07:18:19 pm
Another reminder: Israel had 56 YEARS to prepare for peace. Continued IDF assault won't change the strategic picture. Israel now must prepare its citizens for the prospect of peace or perpetual, active war.
So to be clear....we need the Peace that Hamas will allow. The Peace of the Dead.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 07:18:42 pm
It is amazing how many of the Israelis killed or taken hostage were die-hard far-far-Left-way out-pro-Palestinian Leftists. Israel has or 'had' a large pro-Palestinian 'peacenik' movement. From what I read, Hamas captured a lot of them. I am sure many of hostages are yelling, "What are you doing? I'm on your side!" These hostages would be in the pro-Palestinian marches in America if the situation was different.
Exactly...well said..
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Post by: DCPatriot on November 28, 2023, 07:26:10 pm
This indicates to me that your life came down to who the squad leader or battalion chief was, and that not everyone was an animal/savage, when it came to prisoners/hostages.
They don't even like dogs, and yet allowed her to keep him for 2 months?
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 07:28:28 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 07:31:06 pm
2 minutes ago
The 12 hostages released by Hamas have returned to Israel, the IDF confirmed.
The hostages, which include nine Israeli adult women, one teen girl, and two Thai nationals are undergoing medical assessment and could be reunited with their families soon.
The IDF asked for “patience and sensitivity" out of respect for the hostages and their relatives.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 07:34:35 pm
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 28, 2023, 07:51:23 pm
I guess I am supposed to think the Pallies are not so bad, releasing these people, but I don't. I must not be the in the targeted group of people, like the UN pukes.
Word is now getting out the Pallies abused these people. Who is going to call released hostages "liars?"
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 28, 2023, 07:58:09 pm
The Palestinians have been very clear about something during the entire existence of modern Israel: They want all Jews (and pretty much everybody else) dead. In their view, this is non-negotiable. Peace between the Jews and the Pallies is only possible if all Jews are dead everywhere in the world.
This is called, "The Peace of the Dead." Can't make war from a grave.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 08:04:16 pm
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/11/Screen-Shot-2023-11-28-at-21944-PM-2.jpg?quality=90&strip=all) Israeli hostages are pictured in the halfway station welcome building in Rafah, Egypt.
The Palestinians have been very clear about something during the entire existence of modern Israel: They want all Jews (and pretty much everybody else) dead. In their view, this is non-negotiable. Peace between the Jews and the Pallies is only possible if all Jews are dead everywhere in the world.
This is called, "The Peace of the Dead." Can't make war from a grave.
Under Netanyahu's long premiership, Hamas has been a partner in negotiations and the preferred governing body in Gaza. Do Bibi's choices sound like a guy who actually believes Gazans/Hamas only live to kill Jews?
Israel could turn this into a true victory by leading regional negotiations on changing the status quo between Israel and the Palestinians. This, however, will take more courage and smarts than does war ----
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 09:15:24 pm
Under Netanyahu's long premiership, Hamas has been a partner in negotiations and the preferred governing body in Gaza. Do Bibi's choices sound like a guy who actually believes Gazans/Hamas only live to kill Jews?
Israel could turn this into a true victory by leading regional negotiations on changing the status quo between Israel and the Palestinians. This, however, will take more courage and smarts than does war ----
Not to seem biased, but have you ever changed a Muslim's mind about anything that "is written"? Have you even tried? I don't mean showtimes or which line to get in, I'm talking more deeply held philosophies, or even simply procedures.
Some things, like killing "infidels", are simply not negotiable.
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Post by: berdie on November 28, 2023, 09:37:57 pm
I guess I am supposed to think the Pallies are not so bad, releasing these people, but I don't. I must not be the in the targeted group of people, like the UN pukes.
Word is now getting out the Pallies abused these people. Who is going to call released hostages "liars?"
The hostages should never have been there at all. Period, end of story. The Palies are not the good guys
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Post by: berdie on November 28, 2023, 09:40:59 pm
Another reminder: Israel had 56 YEARS to prepare for peace. Continued IDF assault won't change the strategic picture. Israel now must prepare its citizens for the prospect of peace or perpetual, active war.
Tell me how a nation prepares for "peace" when there is active military action against them. I hazard to guess that Israel would be happy with a "you leave me alone and I'll do the same" policy.
I could be wrong, but I could see the populace of Israel fighting for their country. Unlike what we might face here.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 09:59:34 pm
14 minutes ago Marco Rubio and Jacky Rosen hold closed-press Senate screening of Oct. 7 footage By Miles Schachner
Senators Marco Rubio (R-Fla) and Jacky Rosen (D-Nev) held a private screening of the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel Tuesday for the Senate, according to multiple reports.
About 40 Democrats and Republicans watched the footage, which ran for 47 minutes and was intended to show Senators the barbarity of Hamas, Rosen said.
"On Oct. 7, Hamas launched the worst terrorist attack in Israel’s history — the single deadliest day for the Jews since the Holocaust. Given the effort by some individuals and organizations around the world to distort and deny what happened that day, it was important that, as policymakers, we bear witness to the full extent of the atrocities committed by Hamas,” Rosen said, according to the Jewish News Syndicate.
“The one thing that struck me was how proud and gleeful these people were with what they were doing to civilians, children, people sitting at home having breakfast and kids at a rave party,” Rubio added.
“I thought that my colleagues would want to see it. That’s why I held the viewing, for them to get clear insight into what happened.”
Israeli Ambassador to the United States Michael Herzog was also in attendance and spoke to the group prior to the screening.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 10:00:01 pm
24 minutes ago IDF: Still no final death toll from Oct. 7 Hamas attack weeks later By Caitlin Doornbos
WASHINGTON -- More than seven weeks after Hamas terrorists attacked southern Israel on Oct. 7, authorities still have not confirmed the exact number of casualties, the Israel Defense Forces say.
Though current estimates indicate that around 1,200 people were killed and 5,400 were injured in the atrocity, IDF Lt. Col. Amnon Shefler told reporters at the Israeli embassy the true total is unknown "because of the conditions of the bodies," many of which were burned and mutilated beyond all recognition.
Shefler added that 51 of the 69 hostages released from Gaza so far are Israelis, with about 180 captives still being held.
Prior to the current pause in fighting taking effect Nov. 24, Shefler said, Hamas was launching 5,000 rockets per day into Israel.
Despite the halt, Shefler said, there have been violations of the negotiated terms by Hamas, with three IDF soldiers injured in a Monday skirmish.
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Post by: libertybele on November 28, 2023, 10:24:47 pm
Hamas Held Israeli Child Hostage Alone for 16 Days: Grandmother
Hamas terrorists held an Israeli child hostage alone for 16 days, according to the child’s grandmother, commenting after his release Monday night.
Eitan Yahalomi, 12, was tortured during his confinement — beaten, forced at gunpoint to watch videos of Hamas atrocities, and threatened with death when he and other children cried.
As Breitbart News reported Tuesday:
Deborah Cohen, the aunt of Eitan Yahalomi, 12, who is a dual French-Israeli citizen, told French TV outlet BFMTV on Tuesday (translated from French): “Eitan apparently saw horrors over there [in Gaza]. … Hamas forced Eitan to watch a horror film [of October 7], that no one could [bear to] watch … Every time that a child cried over there, they threatened [the child] with a gun to be quiet.” She added that child hostages had been beaten when they arrived in Gaza after being kidnapped by Hamas.
Now, Yahalomi’s grandmother, Esther Yahalomi, is speaking out, according to the Times of Israel:
Esther Yahalomi, the grandmother of the recently freed tween, says his first 16 days as a hostage were the toughest because he was left completely alone.
“A month ago they moved him to a group of people from Nir Oz, and it was much easier for him there. His caregiver from preschool was there, and he was able to see familiar faces,” she tells Hebrew-language media outside the Tel Aviv hospital where he is recuperating.
She added that Eitan had lost weight and was having trouble speaking since his release.
Another hostage, Elma Avraham, 84, was reportedly expected to survive Tuesday after being rushed to intensive care upon her release. Her family said that the Red Cross had failed to make an effort to ensure she had her medications while in captivity.
The horror of Hamas continues to strike. Yes, it is a good thing that hostages are being released. Life is certainly better than death; but how are they gong to live with the brutality that was inflicted upon them? Both the physical and psychological drama.
Hamas is in the country and yes I keep pointing it out -- I'm worried and afraid. Especially because no one knows where they are (the evils in gov't may know) and no one is doing a dang thing about it.
There is even a group who vowed to 'interrupt' the lighting of the Christmas tree in NYC -- what is being done to avert that? Will that be the first showdown of many?
535 members of Congress do nothing and protests for pro-Palis continue. :thud:
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 11:09:59 pm
16 minutes ago Who are the newly released Hamas hostages? By Ronny Reyes
Hamas released 12 additional hostages from captivity Tuesday — including an 84-year-old grandmother of 20 and the daughter of Holocaust survivors who taught Israelis Arabic to try and help improve relations with her Gazan neighbors.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/11/clara-marman-mia-leimberg-gabriela-72953298.jpg?quality=90&strip=all) Hamas released 12 additional hostages from captivity Tuesday, including Gabriela Leimberg, 59, and her daughter Mia, 17; Ditza Heiman, 84; Tamar Metzger, 78; Noralin Agojo, 60; Ada Sagi, 75; Merav Tal, 53; Rimon Kirscht, 36; Ophelia Roitman, 77; and Clara Merman, 63.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 11:11:32 pm
24 minutes ago
National Security Council spokesman John Kirby was just asked aboard Air Force One about delays in securing the release of Americans held hostage by Hamas in the Gaza Strip.
"There's no indication at all that Hamas is trying to use leverage or something to keep Americans from getting out," Kirby responds. "There's no indication that Hamas is trying to play some sort of game here in terms of the Americans.
"I mean, I think it's important to remember a couple of things: One, the pool of Americans is pretty small and the pool of Americans that qualify right now — women and children — is smaller still. Number two, we can't just assume that Hamas has ready access to everybody in a moment's notice, or that all of the Americans are being held by Hamas, and certainly not that they're in the same place. So we don't have perfect visibility on where they are.
"We know Hamas can get to all the hostages if it wants to, and it has the ability to do that. We will keep pressing to get these Americans out as much as we."
The Biden administration has previously estimated that nine US citizens and one green card holder are being held captive. One American, 4-year-old Abigail Edan, was released over the weekend.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 28, 2023, 11:44:10 pm
I hazard to guess that Israel would be happy with a "you leave me alone and I'll do the same" policy.
I think after 56 yeas of this "Groundhog Day" war both sides should be happy with "you leave me alone and I'll do the same" policy. It's called the State of Israel and the State of Palestine.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 11:45:19 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 11:50:03 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 3h Mossad director Barnea told his three counterparts in the talks in Doha today that Israel won't agree to any discussion on a new hostage deal before the current one is fully implemented and all women & children who are held hostage are released. (Axios)
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 28, 2023, 11:52:38 pm
This sounds like something Biden's Admin dreamed up
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 3h Lots of reports tonight about talks on a mega-deal: Release of all Israeli hostages in Gaza in exchange for massive release of Palestinian terrorists, plus long ceasefire; some Israeli ministers say no way.
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Post by: Bigun on November 29, 2023, 12:04:47 am
I guess I am supposed to think the Pallies are not so bad, releasing these people, but I don't. I must not be the in the targeted group of people, like the UN pukes.
Word is now getting out the Pallies abused these people. Who is going to call released hostages "liars?"
How is anyone supposed to get along with people who only want to see you dead?
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 29, 2023, 12:07:14 am
I think after 56 yeas of this "Groundhog Day" war both sides should be happy with "you leave me alone and I'll do the same" policy. It's called the State of Israel and the State of Palestine.
Do you think creating a State of Palestine would automatically change the mindset of the Palestinian people? @Right_in_Virginia
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Post by: 240B on November 29, 2023, 12:17:16 am
Do you think creating a State of Palestine would automatically change the mindset of the Palestinian people? @Right_in_Virginia
No it would not. It would only embolden them and make them even more violent and extreme. The Arabs will never be satisfied with anything. Even if Israel were to 'move out', so to speak, the PLO, Hamas, and Hezbollah would all start fighting and killing each other for dominance. Not to mention, Iran, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Yemen all sending in troops to stake out their own piece of territory.
Without Israel to focus all the hate, the entire Middle East would be at war and on fire. Contrary to Western mindset, Muslims kill 10X more other Muslims each year than so-called 'Infidels'.
The only thing that imposes relative calm on the entire region is Israeli strength and power. Anything that weakens Israel simultaneously weakens the calm status quo in the M.E.
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 29, 2023, 12:19:34 am
No it would not. It would only embolden them and make them even more violent and extreme. The Arabs will never be satisfied with anything. Even if Israel were to 'move out', so to speak, the PLO, Hamas, and Hezbollah would all start fighting and killing each other for dominance. Not to mention, Iran, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Yemen all sending in troops to stake out their own piece of territory.
Without Israel to focus all the hate, the entire Middle East would be at war and on fire. Contrary to Western mindset, Muslims kill 10X more other Muslims each year than so-called 'Infidels'.
The only thing that imposes relative calm on the entire region is Israeli strength and power. Anything that weakens Israel simultaneously weakens the calm status quo in the M.E.
That pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter.
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Post by: Hoodat on November 29, 2023, 12:23:44 am
Do you think creating a State of Palestine would automatically change the mindset of the Palestinian people? @Right_in_Virginia
A State of Palestine has existed for the last 17 years. On Oct 7, the government of that State launched an unprovoked attack against a neighboring country. Nothing short of 'unconditional surrender' is acceptable at this point. Never again.
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Post by: DCPatriot on November 29, 2023, 12:28:04 am
Do you think creating a State of Palestine would automatically change the mindset of the Palestinian people? @Right_in_Virginia
I certainly don't. And wouldn't accept the occasional "lone wolf" attack on a group or a woman while you're trying to domesticate the species to live alongside Israel.
It's like expecting former pitbull fighters to become guard dogs for toddlers.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
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Post by: DCPatriot on November 29, 2023, 12:30:11 am
A State of Palestine has existed for the last 17 years. On Oct 7, the government of that State launched an unprovoked attack against a neighboring country. Nothing short of 'unconditional surrender' is acceptable at this point. Never again.
The [sick] thing here...public empathy would favor the surrendering Hamas soldiers and leadership.
Do they realize that? Or, even care? :shrug:
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 29, 2023, 12:41:00 am
Well, maybe it's time to inaugurate a State of Palestine free of all Israeli controls and interference. This hasn't existed in 56 years.
There was no Palestine 56 years ago. There was only Egyptian Gaza, Jordan, and Syria.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 29, 2023, 12:52:21 am
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · Following Hamas’s breach of the ceasefire on Tuesday
Maj. Gen. (Res.) @eitan_dangot , former Coordinator of Government Activities in the Palestinian Territories, IDF, describes how should the Israeli military prepare for future violations and the return to battle
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Post by: Elderberry on November 29, 2023, 01:01:31 am
Following the 1918 fall of the Ottoman Empire during World War I, Palestine typically referred to the region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Much of this land is now part of present-day Israel.
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Post by: corbe on November 29, 2023, 01:04:51 am
I've read throughout these almost 10K posts (8 Threads) and I find it remarkable that @Right_in_Virginia doesn't seem to give Israel a break. Being that Trump's Daughter has converted to the Jewish Faith and that his Son-in-Law was primarily responsible for the breakthrough Abraham Accords. It perplexes me.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 01:16:43 am
White House: We Oppose Israel Fighting Hamas in South Gaza Without ‘Accounting for All’ Displaced Palestinians
The White House said Tuesday that it opposes Israel’s plan to attack Hamas terrorists in the southern portion of the Gaza Strip unless it can provide an “accounting” for all of the internally displaced Palestinian civilians in the war.
White House National Security Council Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby spoke to reporters on Air Force One, and said: “We don’t support southern operations, unless or until the Israelis can show that they’ve accounted for all the internally displaced people of Gaza.”
Asked whether that meant the White House was abandoning support for Israel’s goal of eliminating Hamas, Kirby replied that Israel had the “right and responsibility to eliminate this terrorist threat.”
But he also said that there was an “added burden on Israel” to “account” for “the extra innocent life that is now in south Gaza” as a result of Israel Defense Forces (IDF) operations in the northern Gaza Strip. Israel has not yet completed its operations in northern Gaza, though it has taken key parts of Gaza City. It says it will continue fighting until Hamas is no longer a military threat.
Kirby said that the White House hoped for further “pauses” in fighting, beyond the six days already agreed to (through mediation by Egypt and Qatar), during which Hamas released a few dozen hostages in return for over 150 Palestinian terror convicts.
The White House placed no burden whatsoever on Hamas, Palestinian leaders, or Arab countries in supporting Palestinian civilians.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 01:19:12 am
Dem Sen. Warner: Israel Should Have ‘Constraints’ and Should Release Some Money to Palestinian Authority
On Tuesday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports,” Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) stated that Israel should have “some constraints” if fighting Hamas resumes and they should “release some of the funds that go to the Palestinian Authority.” Warner said, “I do think we need our Israeli partners — and they are our partners — to go it, when the — if the violence starts again — and I hope that we can keep this pause going as long as possible to get as many of these hostages out as possible, that there are some constraints, because Israel has been losing the hearts and minds of people, not only in the region, but around the world. One of the things that I would strongly urge our Israeli partners is to release some of the funds that go to the Palestinian Authority. I have been worried, even in advance of October 7, that you could have the Palestinian Security Services simply all quit on the West Bank and you would have chaos at an unprecedented level and a second front start [in] this war. And the fact that none of those funds and none of these people have been paid since October 7 is a real challenge. That would be a sign of good faith, I think, from Israel.”
The [sick] thing here...public empathy would favor the surrendering Hamas soldiers and leadership.
Do they realize that? Or, even care? :shrug:
Israel wants the land without the people because they will dilute the Israeli Jewish majority ---- And as time is proving, this is unsustainable.
To keep the land and not the people requires: targeted genocides or open air prisons. A third possiblity is formal annexation of land and people and Israel simply accepts it's an apartheid nation and refuses to alter its Basic Laws.
There is no positive outcome for Israel.
But, there is a different way --- apparently and unfortunately, not enough blood has yet spilled to consider it.
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Post by: bigheadfred on November 29, 2023, 01:21:43 am
Reading through some older articles and recent polling suggest there is no popular majority that wants long term peace with Israel. That would include recent polling showing 75% of Palestinians (polled) supported the Oct.7 attack.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 01:22:14 am
a few seconds ago G7 foreign ministers urge Hamas to free all hostages, extend cease-fire By Miles Schachner
The G7 foreign ministers of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Britain, the US and the High Representative of the European Union have called for the unconditional release of all hostages held captive by Hamas and the facilitated departure of foreign nationals from Gaza, per a statement released by the US State Department.
Additionally, the G7 said it supported a longer extension of the current pause in fighting.
“We remain steadfast in our commitment to work with all partners in the region to prevent the conflict from escalating further,” the statement said.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 29, 2023, 01:25:04 am
I've read throughout these almost 10K posts (8 Threads) and I find it remarkable that @Right_in_Virginia doesn't seem to give Israel a break.
I want to give Israel more than a break, I want to give her the chance her secure future needs.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 01:42:32 am
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post · 19m Women who were abducted from Israeli territory and held hostage by Hamas in Gaza were kept in cages, according to a report by Israeli media.
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Post by: libertybele on November 29, 2023, 01:58:51 am
Israel wants the land without the people because they will dilute the Israeli Jewish majority ---- And as time is proving, this is unsustainable.
To keep the land and not the people requires: targeted genocides or open air prisons. A third possiblity is formal annexation of land and people and Israel simply accepts it's an apartheid nation and refuses to alter its Basic Laws.
There is no positive outcome for Israel.
But, there is a different way --- apparently and unfortunately, not enough blood has yet spilled to consider it.
Biblically, Israel remains standing.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on November 29, 2023, 02:09:33 am
Tell me how a nation prepares for "peace" when there is active military action against them. I hazard to guess that Israel would be happy with a "you leave me alone and I'll do the same" policy.
I could be wrong, but I could see the populace of Israel fighting for their country. Unlike what we might face here.
While there may be many here who would not fight for their country, I would think a larger number would fight to keep their homes, neighborhoods, or communities. Fighting somewhere else might be abstract, and even something unreal to the average person, but let things get real in their neighborhood, and they would do what they could or run like hell.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 29, 2023, 02:42:38 am
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post · 19m Women who were abducted from Israeli territory and held hostage by Hamas in Gaza were kept in cages, according to a report by Israeli media.
Like a jail?
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Post by: mountaineer on November 29, 2023, 02:53:22 am
Israel wants the land without the people because they will dilute the Israeli Jewish majority ---- And as time is proving, this is unsustainable.
To keep the land and not the people requires: targeted genocides or open air prisons. A third possiblity is formal annexation of land and people and Israel simply accepts it's an apartheid nation and refuses to alter its Basic Laws.
There is no positive outcome for Israel.
But, there is a different way --- apparently and unfortunately, not enough blood has yet spilled to consider it.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 29, 2023, 12:22:45 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · U.S concerned over displacement of Gazans
'In U.S' eyes, the departure of Hamas leadership, perhaps ending its control over Gaza could be seen as a success. For Israel that's a major failure,' explains @jregevi24news
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Post by: Elderberry on November 29, 2023, 12:27:21 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'We have the green light from the U.S and EU to continue with this operation. The objective remains the same... Hamas should not be in power in Gaza... This operation has to be the last one concerning Hamas,' says Frmr. IDF intelligence officer Raphaël Jerusalmy
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Post by: Elderberry on November 29, 2023, 12:32:42 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · IDF adjusting battle plans in Gaza in effort to surprise Hamas once fighting resumes, @MaarivOnline reports.
Quote Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Israeli forces in Gaza get new shoulder-fired missiles shipped from US ahead of renewal of fighting; missiles will be used to destroy Hamas hideouts & terror squads traveling in cars; troops also equipped with upgraded Negev machine guns. via @ynetalerts
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Post by: Elderberry on November 29, 2023, 01:50:30 pm
White House grapples with internal divisions on Israel-Gaza
Washington Post by Yasmeen Abutaleb and John Hudson 11/26/2023
The Hamas attacks and Israeli reaction have roiled the Biden team like no other issue during his presidency
Earlier this month, a group of about 20 distressed White House staffers requested a meeting with President Biden’s top advisers, as Israel’s war in Gaza entered its sixth week.
The diverse group of staffers had three main issues they wanted to discuss with White House Chief of Staff Jeff Zients, senior adviser Anita Dunn and deputy national security adviser Jon Finer: They wanted to know the administration’s strategy for curbing the number of civilian deaths, the message it plans to send on the conflict and its postwar vision for the region.
Zients, Dunn and Finer listened respectfully, but some participants felt they fell back on familiar talking points, said a White House official familiar with the meeting, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a private exchange. The administration had to be careful not to criticize Israel in public so it could influence its leaders in private, the advisers said. U.S. officials were pushing Israel to minimize civilian casualties. And the president and his top aides were advocating for a two-state solution once the conflict was over.
The previously unreported meeting of officials underscores how Biden’s handling of what is arguably the biggest foreign policy crisis of his presidency is dividing a White House that has prided itself on running a disciplined and united operation. The Israel-Gaza war has roiled the administration more than any other issue in Biden’s first three years in office, according to numerous aides and allies inside and outside the White House, as staffers agonize over their positions on highly emotional issues.
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Post by: mountaineer on November 29, 2023, 02:09:20 pm
Victoria Freeman @v_j_freeman Hamas killed the 91yr old founder of kibbutz Kissufim, attached her body to a rope & dragged it around behind a motorbike. They “diced” up the body of her 80yr old neighbour with a spade. Details like this are why Israel is united in resolve
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 02:09:31 pm
Report: Negotiators in Qatar Have Divided Hostages into Groups, Like Cattle
Negotiators in Doha, Qatar, over the release of further groups of Israeli hostages have divided them into groups and categories — like cattle, much as Nazis divided Jews into different groups at concentration camps and death camps in the Second World War.
This humiliating exercise, itself a public relations victory for Hamas, will enable the terror organization to demand different prices for each group — far more than the three Palestinian terror convicts for every woman and child in the first six exchanges.
The result is a process that looks more like bartering over goods in a Middle Eastern bazaar than a discussion about human beings — all of whom were kidnapped in a terror attack, and all of whom are being held in violation of international law, without Red Cross visits.
The description of negotiations between Hamas, Qatar, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and the Israeli Mossad was published by Washington Post columnist David Ignatius on Tuesday evening.
Ignatius wrote:
The negotiators agreed on five categories of Israeli hostages for future releases, the knowledgeable source said. The five groups are: men too old for reserve military duty, female soldiers, male reservists, active-duty male soldiers, and the bodies of Israelis who died before or during captivity. The total is well over 100, but the source said he couldn’t provide a precise number as yet.
Hamas has expressed “willingness to negotiate on all five categories,” the source said. He added that parameters of the exchange — such as how many Gaza captives would be freed each day, how many Palestinian prisoners would be exchanged for each Israeli, and how much humanitarian assistance would be sent into Gaza — haven’t been worked out.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/11/28/report-negotiators-in-qatar-have-divided-hostages-into-groups-like-cattle/
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Post by: mountaineer on November 29, 2023, 02:16:35 pm
If only we could eliminate the UN ... completely.
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Israel in UN/Geneva🇮🇱🇺🇳 | #BringThemHome @IsraelinGeneva This is Israeli kid Ido Avigal. He was 5 years old when he was killed in 2021, in his house in Sderot, during a major Hamas rockets barrage. Hamas killed Ido. But today, the Palestinian Delegation presented an exhibition @UNGeneva, which included Ido as a Palestinian child supposedly killed by Israel in Gaza. This is despicable. We call on @UN_Valovaya to immediately remove this exhibition, which spreads misinformation and is part of a propaganda campaign. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAF7cYmWIAEOJTX?format=jpg&name=small)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAF7csEWwAA46rT?format=jpg&name=large) 4:48 AM · Nov 29, 2023
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 02:37:13 pm
Turkish President Erdogan calls Israel PM Netanyahu the 'butcher of Gaza'
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan , who has been a vocal critic of Israel since the war against Hamas started, is now calling Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu the “butcher of Gaza.”
Erdogan on Wednesday also reiterated that his government would ensure that Israel is held accountable for its military actions before international courts, accusing Netanyahu of committing “one of the worst atrocities” of the century, according to the Associated Press.
“With the murders he committed in Gaza, Netanyahu is firing up antisemitism and endangering the security of the people of Israel and of all Jewish people,” Erdogan reportedly said. “Immigrants living in [Western] countries are paying the price for the irresponsible rhetoric of Western leaders that demonize Palestinians.”
Turkey in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas terrorist attack on October 7 had denounced the violence and condemned deaths caused by the group, but as Israel rolled out its response, Erdogan shifted his support and started to refer to Hamas as "freedom fighters."
Israel’s Foreign Ministry previously has said that "Erdogan’s attempt to defend a terrorist organization and his inflammatory statements won’t change the horrors seen by the world that proves Hamas is ISIS."
Fox News’ Peter Aitken and Reuters contributed to this report. Posted by Greg Norman
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 02:38:40 pm
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas calls for international conference to end Israel-Hamas war
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Wednesday has called for an international conference to resolve the Israel-Hamas war.
He said Palestinians are ready to work with the international community on a “serious political process” that leads to an independent state in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem, territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war, according to the Associated Press.
He also again called for a halt to the war in Gaza.
Abbas’ Palestinian Authority administers parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank.
Hamas drove his forces out of Gaza when it seized power there in 2007.
The war between Israel and Hamas, which began on Oct. 7 following a surprise terrorist attack in southern Israel, is now in its 53rd day.
The Associated Press contributed to this report. Posted by Greg Norman
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 03:02:39 pm
3 hours ago Hamas, Israel consider new Gaza truce parameters including release of men: report By Reuters
Israel and Hamas were on Wednesday considering the parameters of a potential new phase of the Gaza truce deal that includes Hamas releasing hostages who are men or military personnel, not only women and children, a source briefed on the negotiations said.
The leaders of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Israel’s Mossad met Qatar’s prime minister in Doha on Tuesday to discuss the possible new phase and what might be needed to reach a ceasefire lasting more than a handful of days, the source told Reuters.
Qatari negotiators had met Hamas officials ahead of the meeting to gauge their willingness to agree to the new parameters.
The outcome of the discussion between Qatar and Hamas was unclear.
CIA Director William Burns was in Doha “for meetings on the Israel-Hamas conflict including discussions on hostages”, a US official said on condition of anonymity. The official did not elaborate.
more https://nypost.com/2023/11/29/news/hamas-israel-consider-new-gaza-truce-parameters-including-release-of-men/
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Post by: 240B on November 29, 2023, 03:10:28 pm
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas calls for international conference to end Israel-Hamas war
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Wednesday has called for an international conference to resolve the Israel-Hamas war.
He said Palestinians are ready to work with the international community on a “serious political process” that leads to an independent state in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem, territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war, according to the Associated Press.
He also again called for a halt to the war in Gaza.
Abbas’ Palestinian Authority administers parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank.
Hamas drove his forces out of Gaza when it seized power there in 2007.
The war between Israel and Hamas, which began on Oct. 7 following a surprise terrorist attack in southern Israel, is now in its 53rd day.
The Associated Press contributed to this report. Posted by Greg Norman
This is all right on schedule. It is a part of a tired old plan which has played out dozens of times. Arabs commit an atrocity against Israeli civilians. Israel retaliates. Arabs call for immediate temporary ceasefire, often while still attacking Israel. The U.N. and International groups side with the Arabs. Eventually Israel agrees to a ceasefire. Arabs immediately call for a cessation of hostilities, often while still attacking Israel. International negotiators get involved and side with the Arabs as they always do.
The ceasefire leads to a loss of momentum and will by Israel. This ends the initiative. Everything settles down into status quo and the Arabs get away with it. Arabs 'win' and claim victory. Which only emboldens the terrorists to do it again, and again, and again after that.
It is like watching a rerun for the tenth time. No doubt Abbas will promise peace forever and sign another bullshit 'treaty' which will be discarded before the ink dries. No doubt international groups and the U.N. will promise "monitoring" which always amounts to nothing at all since the monitors support the Arab cause. In many cases the so-called 'international monitors' are complicit with the Arabs and aid in preparing them for the next battle with weapons and munitions.
However, I hope this time will be different. I believe Hamas went way too far this time for the standard playbook to apply.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 03:26:22 pm
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i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 3m 🔴Hamas says it has handed over two Russian-Israeli hostages to the Red Cross ‘in response to the efforts of Russian President Putin’
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 03:39:40 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 2h ❗️Israel’s military chiefs expect to resume Gaza war on Saturday, Dec. 2; IDF controls estimated 45% of Gaza Strip at this point; buffer zone on Israel-Gaza border already in effect. via @WallaNews
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 03:44:15 pm
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Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 19m Israeli Defense Minister Galant in a sharp message: "If anyone has any doubts - very soon we will continue the ground operation across the entire Gaza Strip". (Yisroel Hayom)
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Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 1h JUST IN: US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken set to join the Israeli War Cabinet meeting in Israel tomorrow as the temporary ceasefire may be winding down
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Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 1h Red Cross officials have not yet been allowed to visit hostages that Hamas is holding in Gaza, in violation of an agreement struck between Israel and Hamas which stipulated that the Red Cross would be able to visit the hostages by the end of the fourth day of the truce. (CNN)
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Post by: DB on November 29, 2023, 03:48:57 pm
Israel didn't attack Gaza. Gaza was independent and chose this path. Israel doesn't want the people because the "people" keep killing Israelis.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 03:58:27 pm
7 minutes ago Netanyahu vows war will continue after truce expires, says Israel will fight 'until the end' By David Spector
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed that the war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip would resume after the expiration of the truce in a video statement.
"From the start of the war I set three goals," Netanyahu said, "Eliminating Hamas, returning all of our hostages, and ensuring that Gaza will never again go back to being a threat to the State of Israel. These three goals still stand."
Netanyahu went on to say he had been asked if Israel would resume its war effort against Hamas after this stage of hostage returns has been completed.
"There is no situation in which we do not go back fighting until the end," the Israeli PM declared.
Netanyahu said that the war enjoyed the support of his entire government, the military, and the Israeli people.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 04:02:06 pm
a minute ago
The youngest Israeli hostage held by Hamas, his 4-year-old brother and their mom were killed by Israeli bombing on the Gaza Strip, the terror group’s military arm said Wednesday without evidence.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/11/403113983_10161628816291474_3540108272430069171_n.jpg?quality=90&strip=all) The Bibas family - Kfir, 10 month, Ariel, 4, Shiri, 32 and Yarden. Hamas said, without evidence, the children and their mother were killed in captivity by IDF forces.Yifat Zailer / Facebook
The youngest Israeli hostage held by Hamas, his 4-year-old brother and their mom were killed by Israeli bombing on the Gaza Strip, the terror group’s military arm said Wednesday without evidence.
Israel said it’s looking into the Al Qassam Brigades Telegram announcement about the deaths of 10-month-old Kfir Bibas, 4-year-old Ariel, and 23-year-old Shiri Silverman-Bibas.
“The terrorist organization Hamas continues to act in a cruel and inhuman manner,” the IDF said in a statement.
“IDF representatives spoke with the members of the Bibas family, informed them of the claim, and are accompanying them at this time. The IDF is examining the reliability of the information.”
“The responsibility for the safety of all the hostages in the Gaza Strip rests fully with the terrorist organization Hamas. Hamas endangers the hostages, including nine children. Hamas is required to immediately return them to Israel,” the statement continued.
The three had been abducted along with patriarch Yarden from their home in Kibbutz Nir Oz on Oct. 7, and the redheaded photogenic youngsters, known affectionately as “The Reds,” had become something of a symbol of the terror attack’s brutality.
On Tuesday, Israeli officials announced that Hamas had handed the family over to another Palestinian faction and said they were being held in Khan Younis, a city in the southern Gaza Strip.
Despite repeated pleas from extended relatives and IDF officials alike, the Bibas family was not on the list of hostages expected to be released Wednesday, according to CNN.
Hamas has released more than 80 of its some 240 hostages since a temporary truce was brokered last week.
more https://nypost.com/2023/11/29/news/hamas-claims-kfir-bibas-mother-and-brother-killed-in-captivity/
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 04:20:10 pm
4 minutes ago Israeli hostage's mother slams 'Uber service' Red Cross, blasts agency for not visiting captives By David Spector
Israeli hostage Hersh Goldberg-Polin's mother, Rachel Goldberg slammed the Red Cross for failing to visit the captives in a press conference, the Times of Israel reports.
Goldberg's son had his arm blown off during the Hamas massacre of the Supernova rave on October 7 before being kidnapped by Hamas terrorists.
Goldberg said that she believes her son was treated in a Gaza hospital after he was abducted since the terrorists believed the hostages were worth more alive than dead.
However, Goldberg-Polin would require antibiotics post-surgery and its an open question whether he is receiving proper medical treatment.
Goldberg blasted the Red Cross for not visiting and providing medical care to the captives, saying the agency is nothing more than an "Uber service” for released hostages.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 04:56:08 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 05:04:52 pm
a minute ago Israeli hostages reunite with families in heartwarming photos By Elizabeth Karpen
Heartwarming photos of newly released Israeli hostages reuniting with their families have emerged.
Many photos showed the families in tears, hugging their loved ones following their captivity as Hamas hostages.
So far, Hamas has released 80 of the presumed 240 hostages.
Out of the 61 Israelis released so far, the majority have been women and children. The remainder of the hostages have mostly been foreign workers or foreign citizens.
It is assumed that there are 160 hostages still held by Hamas, 100 of them Israelis.
A fifth release of hostages is expected to happen Wednesday.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/11/eitan-yehlomi-released-week-captivity-72992155.jpg?quality=80&strip=all) Eitan Yehlomi, released this week from captivity, was visited by the stars of the Hapoel Beer Sheeva Footbal Club.
You mean the land that Israel gave up multiple times? That land? Israel already won that land fair and square in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973. And each and every time, they gave that land back to the Palestinians. Stop posting lies on this forum.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 06:05:45 pm
The Lebanon Option: How Qatar Could End the War by Evacuating Hamas
Joel B. Pollak 29 Nov 2023
CIA chief William Burns has been in Doha, Qatar, for talks with the emirate, which represents the Hamas terrorist organization in international diplomacy. David Barnea, head of Israel’s intelligence agency, Mossad, has been there with him for talks this week.
There is little chance that these high-level spy chiefs would be in Qatar simply to negotiate about hostages, though that may be part of the talks. Rather, it is likely that Burns is looking for a longer-term solution that would end the war without losing the war.
A simple ceasefire is out of the question. Ending the fighting now — or prolonging it with endless promises of hostage releases by Hamas — would allow the terror group to survive, continuing a threat to Israel from Gaza and giving Hamas a massive victory.
But there is another option: a ceasefire that involves Hamas’s complete departure from Gaza. That is the solution that helped to end the First Lebanon War in 1982, when the entire Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) left Lebanon for Tunisia.
That war began in similar circumstances to the current one. For years, PLO guerillas had launched raids into Israel, and had shelled Israeli communities with Soviet-made Katyusha rockets. There was no Iron Dome then; civilians were in constant danger.
Israel invaded Lebanon in June 1982, rapidly moving into Beirut (and becoming bogged down in the pre-existing rivalries between factions in Lebanon that had already been fighting for many years).
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/11/29/the-lebanon-option-how-qatar-could-end-the-war-by-evacuating-hamas/
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 06:11:56 pm
33 minutes ago Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei calls for Palestinians to vote on whether Jews can remain in Israel By David Spector
Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei called on Palestinians to hold a popular vote on whether Jews can remain in the Holy Land.
"Some are deceitfully claiming that Iran says all Jews & Zionists should be thrown into the sea. No, we never said that. We say a popular vote should be the determining factor," the Muslim cleric said in a post on X.
Khamenei went on to say a "government formed by the Palestinians" will determine whether "foreigners" can remain in Israel.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 06:15:18 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 40m Hamas crimes: Israeli women freed from captivity lost on average 8-15 kg of their body weight; some children deliberately separated from parents, held alone, beat up; based on international law definitions, Israeli hostages were tortured. via @Nadav_Eyal
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 06:16:46 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 17m #BREAKING: Israel and Hamas agree to extend truce for two more days. (AP)
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Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 3h Israeli Defense Minister Galant in a sharp message: "If anyone has any doubts - very soon we will continue the ground operation across the entire Gaza Strip". (Yisroel Hayom)
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 06:32:28 pm
a minute ago More hostages freed from Hamas, one American included on list: reports By Ronny Reyes
More Hamas hostages were freed Wednesday, the final day of an extended truce agreement with Israel – with at least one American included in the latest exchange, according to reports.
The Palestinian Islamic Jihad, an ally of Hamas said it has handed over the sixth wave of hostages, estimated at 12, who will receive medical screenings from the Red Cross before being transferred to Israeli hospitals.
At least one American hostage is expected among the dozen, CNN reported.
Also included in the group were two women with Russian-Israeli citizenship, Yelena Trupanob and Irena Tati, who were freed as a gesture to thank Russian President Vladimir Putin, I24 News reported.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 06:44:26 pm
4 minutes ago US Navy warship shoots down drone launched by Iran-backed Houthis from Yemen: officials By Associated Press
A U.S. Navy warship sailing near the Bab el-Mandeb Strait shot down a drone launched from Yemen, a U.S. official said Wednesday, in the latest in a string of threats from Iranian-backed Houthi rebels.
The official said according to initial reports, USS Carney, a Navy destroyer, deemed the drone — an Iranian-made KAS-04 — to be a threat and shot it down over water in the southern Red Sea as the ship was moving toward the strait. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a military operation not yet made public.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 06:52:30 pm
You mean the land that Israel gave up multiple times? That land? Stop posting lies on this forum.
Stop posting while drunk.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 07:11:17 pm
3 minutes ago Israeli troops kill 3 terrorists in Gaza after they violated truce: IDF By David Spector
3 terrorists were killed by IDF forces after they broke the terms of the truce agreed to by Israel and Hamas according to Israeli military spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari.
The terrorists posed a threat to Israeli troops, Hagari claimed.
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Post by: mountaineer on November 29, 2023, 07:17:35 pm
You mean the land that Israel gave up multiple times? That land? Israel already won that land fair and square in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973. And each and every time, they gave that land back to the Palestinians. Stop posting lies on this forum.
Yes, each time any land given back to the Palis has been a disaster.
Hamas attacked, behead infants, raped, brutalized, tortured and murdered Israelis and others. There is no escaping that fact.
It IS the worst attack on modern day Israel.
Hamas is here. Palis are orchestrating and rallying. Don't you see a problem with any of this @Right_in_Virginia ?
As for the Biblical implications that I mentioned earlier -- Israel remains standing while other nations are wiped out.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 29, 2023, 07:24:31 pm
There is also no such thing as "transphobia," yet here we are.... 9999hair out0000
:yowsa: **nononono*
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 07:45:15 pm
8 minutes ago Freed Thai hostage details barbaric conditions, says Jewish captives beaten with electrical wire By David Spector
A newly freed Thai national who was taken captive by Hamas detailed the harsh conditions Hamas terrorists inflicted upon their captives.
The former hostage said that there was almost nothing to eat beyond a pita per day, or a can of tuna that had to be split between four people, the Times of Israel reports.
“We were with Israelis, and they were guarded all the time,” the man said.
“The Jews who were held with me were treated very harshly, sometimes they were beaten with electric cables," the ex-captive claimed.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 29, 2023, 07:50:06 pm
Hamas is here. Palis are orchestrating and rallying. Don't you see a problem with any of this @Right_in_Virginia ?
Of course I do @libertybele It cuts through my heart --- I have friends and loved ones living in Northern and Southern Israel. I want an end to this for once and for all ---- and continuing the destructive Israeli/Palestinian "relationship" is not good enough. It's time to break apart Israelis and Palestinians for real and for good.
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As for the Biblical implications that I mentioned earlier -- Israel remains standing while other nations are wiped out.
I don't see your connection between the two.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 08:22:10 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 35m Israeli defense source: IDF will renew fighting in Gaza tomorrow morning if Hamas fails to submit list of more hostages for release; Hamas must return over 20 women & children in current stage before Israel agrees to discuss more deals. via @ynetalerts
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 29, 2023, 08:31:39 pm
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Post by: Elderberry on November 29, 2023, 09:29:06 pm
Hen Mazzig @HenMazzig
This is insane!
One of the released Israeli kidnapped kids, who was held for almost 50 days in the attic of a house, says he was held by an UNRWA teacher.
This teacher is a father of 10 children, who locked the hostage in the attic, didn’t provided him with any food or his medicine.
Another hostage was held captive by a a Gazan DOCTOR who continued to provide care to children in the hospital, but not the Israeli kid.
Teachers, Doctors, UNWRA staff, they're all under Hamas' control. They were there at the massacre on October 7th, and took part in holding hundreds of hostages, including women and children, captive.
Source: Israeli channel 12
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Post by: Elderberry on November 29, 2023, 09:32:10 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · ‘The hostage deal is being orchestrated by Hamas in order to survive’
Rami Igra, former Head of Mossad MIA Unit says Hamas ‘doesn’t really want anybody out of jail, they want to go back to October 6th until they decide to do another 7th of October’
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 09:42:18 pm
11 minutes ago American among 10 Israeli, 4 Thai nationals freed from Hamas captivity: IDF By David Spector
The IDF confirmed that 10 Israeli hostages and four Thai nationals have been released by Hamas.
Included in the list is Raya Rotem, whose daughter, Hila Rotem was released separately days ago in violation of the deal agreed to by Israel and Hamas.
Also on the list is Maya Regev's brother Itay.
Maya, 21, was released by Hamas Saturday night, she was shot in the leg and taken captive during Hamas' October 7 music festival massacre.
Dual US-Israeli citizen Liat Atzili was also released.
The full list is:
1. Raaya Rotem, 54, Kibbutz Bari 2. Raz Ben Ami, 57, Kibbutz Bari 3. Yarden Roman, 36, Kibbutz Bari 4. Liat Atzili, 59, Nahal Oz 5. Moran Stela Yanai, 40, Beer Sheva 6. Liam Or, 18, Kibbutz Ra'im 7. Itay Regev, 18, Herzliya 8. Ofir Engel, 17, Kibbutz Ramat Rachel 9. Amit Shani, 16, Kibbutz Bari 10. Gali Tarshantsky, 13, Kibbutz Bari
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 09:43:45 pm
43 minutes ago Iran says US 'must face its consequences' for Israel support By David Spector
Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian threatened that the United States "must face its consequences,” for its support of Israel in an interview with the New York Times.
Abdollahian said he believes that the US does not "want the war to spread," but does want it to "intensify."
He warned that if the US "continues its military, political and financial support of Israel," it would face "consequences."
The Iranian FM accused Israel of carrying out attacks on "Palestinian civilians."
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 09:52:52 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 8m #BREAKING: Biden warned Netanyahu Israel can't operate in southern Gaza the way it did in the north. Bibi responded an operation in the south is necessary to achieve Israel's goal of destroying Hamas and the Israeli public opinion won't accept stopping the IDF operation. (Axios)
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 09:53:27 pm
Of course I do @libertybele It's time to break apart Israelis and Palestinians for real and for good.
How would that happen without destroying Israel? The "Palestinians" (Arabs in Gaza) and their Arab friends don't want Israel to exist!
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 10:05:51 pm
a few seconds ago Israel will release 16 Palestinian minors and 14 women from prison: Qatar By Miles Schachner
As part of Israel's end of the hostage deal with Hamas, it will release 30 more Palestinian prisoners late Wednesday night, the Times of Israel reported, via a Qatar foreign ministry spokesperson.
The spokesman said 16 Palestinian minors and 14 women will be freed.
Israel also freed 30 Palestinian prisoners late Tuesday night.
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Post by: 240B on November 29, 2023, 10:21:41 pm
Of course I do @libertybele It cuts through my heart --- I have friends and loved ones living in Northern and Southern Israel. I want an end to this for once and for all ---- and continuing the destructive Israeli/Palestinian "relationship" is not good enough. It's time to break apart Israelis and Palestinians for real and for good.
@Right_in_Virginia You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you. No matter what Israel gives up, no matter what Israel does to 'help' the Arabs, the Arabs will still ALWAYS attack and kill Jews. It is in their DNA.
Your proposed 'solution' is simplistic, childish, and extremely naïve.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 29, 2023, 10:41:22 pm
Hamas Releases American Hostage Whose Family Purchased Hunter Biden’s Art
Breitbart by Wendell Husebø 28 Nov 2023
Hamas released on Sunday four-year-old hostage Abigail Mor Edan, whose great aunt is a reported buyer of Hunter Biden’s artwork and a big donor to Democrats.
The release of Abigail suggests that her connections to the White House may have motivated the Biden administration to lobby Hamas to prioritize her release over other American hostages.
Abigail was among 17 hostages freed on the third day of the ceasefire, and Hamas still holds nine Americans hostage, the White House said Monday.
Abigail’s great-aunt, Liz Hirsh Naftali, reportedly purchased Hunter Biden’s art and was placed on the Commission for the Preservation of America’s Heritage Abroad by President Biden.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you. No matter what Israel gives up, no matter what Israel does to 'help' the Arabs, the Arabs will still ALWAYS attact kill Jews. It is in their DNA.
It's time to annihilate Hamas and their fellow Jew-hating Muslims. Alas, I don't think that's possible, but I wish that's what would happen.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 11:03:28 pm
3 minutes ago Biden: American hostage Liat Benin is 'safe in Egypt' By Miles Schachner and Steven Nelson
President Biden said Liat Benin, an American hostage held captive by Hamas, is out of the Gaza Strip.
"She is safe in Egypt just across the border," the President said in a White House pool.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/11/itay-regev-new-group-israeli-73008073-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all) Itay Regev, one of the freed hostages.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 11:08:35 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 4m The ceasefire between Israel and Hamas will officially end in exactly 6 hours - at 7:00am local time. Talks continue now for an additional 2 days of calm and further release of hostages, no agreement has been reached as of yet.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 11:31:26 pm
3 minutes ago Blinken arrives in Israel for talks on Hamas truce, aid By Miles Schachner
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived in Tel Aviv on Wednesday for talks with Israeli officials on the hostage deal with Hamas, the hostages still in captivity, and the provision of aid to the Gaza Strip.
The visit is Blinken's third time visiting Israel since its war with Hamas began on Oct. 7, following the brutal surprise attack on Israel.
14 hostages held by Hamas were released on Wednesday and 97 total civilians have been released over the past week.
About 145 hostages are estimated to still be in captivity in Gaza.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 29, 2023, 11:35:26 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts #BREAKING: The War Cabinet meeting ended moments ago, no word yet as to whether there is an extension to the ceasefire. US Secretary of State Blinken just landed in Israel for urgent consultations.
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts #UPDATE: The War Cabinet has reconvened after a short break, Hamas has yet to deliver a list of hostages to be released tomorrow signifying a continuation of the ceasefire that is set to expire in less than 6 hours. It is currently 1:28am in Israel.
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Post by: mountaineer on November 29, 2023, 11:51:41 pm
Blinken arrives in Israel for talks on Hamas truce, aid
:silly: :silly: :silly: Oh, that will help. *****rollingeyes*****
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Post by: Elderberry on November 29, 2023, 11:55:47 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF 🇮🇱
76 years ago on Nov. 29, the @UN General Assembly adopted Resolution 181.
On that day, the international community recognized the right of Israel to exist as an established state.
76 years later, the IDF remains committed to the defense of all Israelis.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 29, 2023, 11:57:13 pm
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post · 43m A UN commission of inquiry investigating war crimes on both sides of the Israel-Hamas conflict will focus on sexual violence by Hamas in the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel.
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Post by: Hoodat on November 30, 2023, 12:01:29 am
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post · 43m A UN commission of inquiry investigating war crimes on both sides of the Israel-Hamas conflict will focus on sexual violence by Hamas in the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel.
No they will not. Everything the U.N. says is a lie. Iran, the prisoner rape capitol of the world, is head of the U.N. Human Rights committee. I am sure Iran is very concerned about Hamas raping Israeli women. Especially since Hamas works for Iran. No conflict there ...
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Post by: Hoodat on November 30, 2023, 12:02:29 am
@Right_in_Virginia You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you. No matter what Israel gives up, no matter what Israel does to 'help' the Arabs, the Arabs will still ALWAYS attact kill Jews. It is in their DNA.
Your proposed 'solution' is simplistic, childish, and extremely naïve.
But, Israel is 56 years past victory in 1967 without certifying the outcome. Since '67 Israel has lived through more wars and intifadas, and a steady degradation of global stature and support. Hell, in the '90s Israel even assassinated a PM and military hero of the "67 War for agreeing to a peace process (a process) with the Palestinians.
Fast forward to Netanyahu's return to the premiership in 2009 and his 13 years of the doctrine of "managing" the conflict with the Palestinians and not resolving it. Benjamin Netanyahu chose to keep Hamas just strong enough, and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank just weak enough, to argue no political pact with the Palestinians was possible.
Yet, on Oct 7 "third world subhuman animals" sucker-punched Netanyahu's managing doctrine in the most public, hurtful, atrocious and humiliating ways possible.
What else has to happen to Israel before it becomes safe to ask: "Is this 13 year old Israeli management doctrine" working --- is there a better way to secure peace, prosperity and safety?"
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Post by: libertybele on November 30, 2023, 12:02:59 am
Of course I do @libertybele It cuts through my heart --- I have friends and loved ones living in Northern and Southern Israel. I want an end to this for once and for all ---- and continuing the destructive Israeli/Palestinian "relationship" is not good enough. It's time to break apart Israelis and Palestinians for real and for good.
I don't see your connection between the two.
I believe that we are in end times - conflicts are mentioned in the Bible - Revelations - Israel still stands while other nations perish.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on November 30, 2023, 12:10:08 am
How do you live next to a neighbor who wants to burn down your house and murder your family?
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Post by: berdie on November 30, 2023, 12:37:51 am
I keep waiting for the gen pop Palestinians who have been displaced for no reason of their own to rise up against Hamas. This is the perfect time. The Israeli army would support them. Of course, I realize that they may beaten down so badly that they have forgotten how to fight.
Whatever the case, if they choose to remain human chattels...so be it.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 30, 2023, 01:02:02 am
Mosab Hassan Yousef @MosabHasanYOSEF
After the successful release of the most vulnerable group of hostages, Israel must give Hamas a timeframe to release the remaining hostages. If they fail Israel must execute Hamas mass murderers in Israeli prisons. No exception, Sheik Hassan Yousef is included.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 30, 2023, 12:17:32 pm
Pierre Klochendler @P_Klochendler
Jerusalem shooting terror attack - Everything happens so quickly in Israel. At 07:38a, 2 east Jlem terrorists armed with an M16 assault rifle and a pistol open fire at a bus station, killing 3 Israelis, wounding 4 severely, 1 moderately, 1 lightly. Within seconds, they're killed by a reserve soldier and a civilian. The reserve soldier was returning to the Gaza front after a 12-hr leave (the ceasefire on the Gaza front was extended at the last mn at 06:40a for 24 hr, one hr before the shooting attack). At 08:10a, a half-hr after the terror attack, all the wounded have already been evacuated to hospts. The quick rescue services response is due to the Magen David Adom HQ being located mns away from the bus stop. At 10a, less than three hrs after the attack, the highway to Tlv is open, people are waiting for their bus at the bus stop. The blood has been washed.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 30, 2023, 12:20:11 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
'All of us here in Israel, wherever we are, we are the targets of these terrorists, and we have to defend ourselves'
Frmr. IDF intelligence officer Raphaël Jerusalmy breaks down Thursday's terror attack that killed three
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Post by: Elderberry on November 30, 2023, 12:25:22 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com
Senior Israeli officials: Gaza ceasefire is nearing its end. via @N12News
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Jerusalem terrorists were killed by soldier on break from Gaza fighting; he was heading back to Gaza and used his IDF rifle to eliminate the assailants. via @carmeldangor
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Post by: Elderberry on November 30, 2023, 12:26:43 pm
i24NEWS English reposted Ariel Oseran @ariel_oseran
The Shin Bet identifies the terrorists who carried out the shooting attack in Jerusalem as brothers from East Jerusalem, affiliated with Hamas.
The two are Murad (38) and Ibrahim (30) Nimer, residents of Tzur Baher. Both were imprisoned in recent years for terrorist activities.
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Post by: Elderberry on November 30, 2023, 12:29:26 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · · ⚠️TRIGGER WARNING ⚠️
WATCH: 2 terrorists open fire at a Jerusalem bus stop Thursday morning, killing 3 and wounding 6 others
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Post by: Elderberry on November 30, 2023, 01:15:20 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'Two hours after the shooting attack, everything is back to some sort of abnormal normalcy'
Our @P_Klochendler reports from the scene of Thursday's attack in Jerusalem, where school children have decorated the bus stop with signs of encouragement and buses have begun operating
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Post by: Elderberry on November 30, 2023, 01:46:47 pm
Israel Derezzes Hamas, Hezbollah Tron
Here’s a story I’m covering just for the “What the hell?” factor.
The Tron blockchain has overtaken Bitcoin as the cryptocurrency network most favored by groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah, which are designated as terror organizations by the U.S., U.K. and other jurisdictions, Reuters reported on Monday.
There has been a sharp rise in cryptocurrency seizures from Tron wallets since 2021 and a decline in those from Bitcoin wallets, Reuters’ analysis found.
Israel has made 87 such seizures from Tron wallets this year, two-thirds of the total number going back to July 2021. These include 39 from wallets the country said in June were owned by Lebanon-based Hezbollah and 26 in July from Hamas ally Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
“Earlier it was Bitcoin and now our data shows that these terrorist organizations tend to increasingly favor Tron,” Mriganka Pattnaik, CEO of blockchain analysis firm Merkle Science, said.
The things that jump out at me are:
Evidently there’s a cryptocurrency called “Tron,” because nothing says “Cool” quite like a 41 year old Disney movie.
• Hezbollah and Hamas have been using it, because financing an illegal terrorist network across international borders is one of the few use cases for the anonymous transactions that cryptocurrency currently supports. But that doesn’t seem to matter, since…
• Israel was still able to seize the money, which seems to suggest that whole “anonymous, untraceable” appeal of cryptocurrency has some fairly sizeable holes in it.
• Why did Team Jihad move from Bitcoin to Tron? Probably because it’s popular with paymaster Iran.
• Tron evidently is worth about 10 cents per coin, which seems slightly higher than the going rate for Dogecoin right now. Bitcoin is somewhere around $38,000.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 02:21:41 pm
Hamas Has Only Used 10 Percent of Its Arsenal, Iran Says Tehran-backed group equipped to resume hostilities on Israel
Adam Kredo November 29, 2023
Hamas has only used 10 to 12 percent of its military arsenal during its two-month long war with Israel, according to an Iranian official, indicating the Tehran-backed terror group will have no problem resuming missile strikes on the Jewish state if a tenuous ceasefire agreement expires in the coming days.
"I met in Beirut with a group from Islamic Jihad and Hamas leaders, and they have reassured me that so far they have used only 10 to 12 percent of the capabilities and forces they have inside Gaza," Iranian foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian was quoted as saying this week following meetings in Qatar, which provides safe haven for Hamas’s leadership.
"Approximately 90 percent of the Palestinian capabilities, forces, and weapons are still held by them and have not been used so far," Amir-Abdollahian added, according to a translation of his remarks performed by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), a group that tracks jihadist rhetoric. "Therefore, they are in a good place."
more https://freebeacon.com/national-security/hamas-has-only-used-10-percent-of-its-arsenal-iran-says/
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 02:44:13 pm
Hamas says its militants killed three people at Jerusalem bus stop
By Ibrahim Dahman and Eyad Kourdi, CNN
Updated: 9:03 AM EST, Thu November 30, 2023
Source: CNN
Hamas said the attackers behind a Jerusalem bus stop shooting that killed three people on Thursday were members of its military wing, Al-Qassam Brigades.
Seven people were also injured after the two attackers, identified by Hamas as two brothers, opened fire on a group of people in Jerusalem, authorities said.
The shooting in Jerusalem comes amid a truce between Israel and Hamas which has seen a pause in the fighting and the release of Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners.
The pause was extended for another day on Thursday under a last-minute deal and Egypt said that talks are ongoing to prolong the truce further.
The attackers were killed by two soldiers and a civilian, Jerusalem District Commander Doron Turgeman said on Thursday.
more https://lite.cnn.com/2023/11/30/middleeast/hamas-jerusalem-bus-stop-shooting-intl/index.html
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 03:17:06 pm
18 minutes ago Hamas Jerusalem terrorist attack victims identified, includes rabbi, pregnant woman, and school principal By David Spector
The three people killed in a Hamas terrorist attack at a Jerusalem bus stop were identified and will be buried later today, Haaretz reports.
Rabbinical court judge Rabbi Elimelech Wasserman, 73, Israeli girl's school principal Hanna Ifergan, 67, and teacher Liviya Dickman, 24, -- who was pregnant with her first child -- were all killed when two Palestinian gunmen opened fire at a bus stop in East Jerusalem.
Six were wounded in the attack, which Hamas took credit for.
The terrorists Murad Nemer, 38, and Ibrahim Nemer, 30, were brothers, they were shot dead at the scene.
Israeli National Security Minister Ben Gvir called for an immediate resumption of fighting against Hamas, saying Israel must stop signing "deals with the devil" in a post on X.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 03:18:18 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 03:24:28 pm
a minute ago Two Israeli hostages released to the Red Cross By Ronny Reyes
Two more hostages held by Hamas have been handed over to the Red Cross in Gaza Thursday morning, officials say.
“According to the information provided by the Red Cross, two Israeli hostages were transferred to them and are on their way to Israeli territory,” the IDF said in a statement.
At least 10 hostages are expected to be released today, including two Russian citizens, Hamas said.
The seventh wave of exchanging hostages for Palestinian prisoners comes after Israel and Hamas agreed to extend their temporary truce for one more day just minutes before it was set to expire overnight.
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Post by: 240B on November 30, 2023, 03:42:16 pm
Mia Schem's mother broke down crying the moment she was informed her daughter had been freed from Hamas captivity in a heartwarming video.
Mia was abducted by terrorists during their October 7 desert rave near the Gaza border she had attended.
Mia's mother Keren Schem had tried to reach her when news of the attack broke but couldn't get through, according to The Times of Israel.
A friend of Mia's later shared a text she received from her earlier in the morning which read "They are shooting at us, come save us.”
Mia was the subject of a disturbing video released by Hamas, in which she said she'd been operated on in a Gaza hospital while in captivity.
In the video Keren could be seen crying as she's informed of her daughter's release on the phone before running and hugging a relative in their bedroom.
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Post by: 240B on November 30, 2023, 04:36:50 pm
Famous for bombing Kindergartens, Buses, Pizzerias, and Malls ... (https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/a0e5Vq/aPXnlJ36_700w_0.jpg)
Received Nobel Peace Prize
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Post by: 240B on November 30, 2023, 04:44:02 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 06:52:47 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 18m IDF chief tells Blinken massive ground assault in Gaza will continue for more than a few weeks, @WallaNews reports; Blinken warns about growing international pressure.
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 40m Hamas puts forces in Gaza on alert in case Israel resumes assault; Mossad trying to extend ceasefire by 1 day to free more hostages; IDF ready to renew attacks immediately if efforts fail. via @N12News
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Post by: mountaineer on November 30, 2023, 07:02:47 pm
Barak Ravid @BarakRavid Scoop: Blinken warns Israeli war cabinet that the longer Gaza war goes on in the current intensity, the more international pressure on the U.S. and Israel will grow. Story: https://t.co/m0R54Vd77R 1:41 PM · Nov 30, 2023
Marina Medvin 🇺🇸 @MarinaMedvin Biden is trying to stop Israel from destroying Hamas because his party has too many terror enthusiasts as voters. 9 Americans remain hostage in Gaza. 1:52 PM · Nov 30, 2023
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 07:03:17 pm
Newly freed Israeli hostage Mia Schem reunites with family in heartwarming video
24 minutes ago Newly freed Israeli hostage Mia Schem reunites with family in heartwarming video By David Spector
Newly released heartwarming video shows the moment recently freed Israeli hostage Mia Schem tearfully reunites with her family after 55 days of being held as a Hamas captive.
Schem was freed Thursday after the Israel-Hamas truce deal was extended at the last minute.
Schem can be seen hugging her mother Keren for the first time since her abduction as the two break down in tears.
The woman, who is a French-Israeli dual national, was abducted by Hamas terrorists from the Supernova desert rave on October 7.
She appeared in a disturbing hostage video released by the terrorist group in which she said that she had gotten surgery on her arm while being held prisoner in Gaza.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 07:44:40 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 07:45:50 pm
Hamas releases propaganda video regarding the Bibas family Today, 9:00 pm
Hamas releases a propaganda video regarding the Bibas family. The video appears to show that Yarden Bibas is alive.
All four members of the Bibas family — Yarden, his wife Shiri and their sons Ariel, 4, and baby Kfir — were abducted to Gaza on October 7, but Yarden was abducted separately from the rest of his family.
Hamas yesterday issued an unverified claim that Shiri, Ariel and Kfir had been killed in an Israeli bombardment; the IDF said it was looking into the “cruel” claim.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 09:08:46 pm
Bullshit...
40 minutes ago Jerusalem bus stop shooting 'technically' didn't violate truce: White House By David Spector
The Hamas terrorist attack at a Jerusalem bus stop that killed three people, including a rabbi and pregnant woman, didn't "technically" violate the truce since the attack didn't take place in Gaza, according to White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby.
"I don't want to get -- I'm not, I'm not a lawyer here. This attack happened in Jerusalem. Pauses in the fight were specific to Gaza," Kirby said at a press conference.
The White House spokesman went on to say the terrorist attack was "a stark reminder of who [Israel is] facing."
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 09:10:10 pm
Kirby says US working 'by the hour' to extend Israel-Hamas cease-fire
White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said Thursday that the U.S. is working "by the hour" to extend the Israel-Hamas cease-fire.
"We're going to continue our efforts with Israel, with Qatar, obviously, with Egypt to support and extend this pause as much as we can and to help secure the release of all the hostages held by Hamas terrorists," Kirby said at the White House press briefing.
"I know one of the first questions I'm going to get is what are the chances of an extension? And I just can't tell you that right now, except to tell you that we're working at it literally by the hour to see if we can get this seventh day turned into an eighth and ninth and tenth and beyond," Kirby continued.
"But all I can do is tell you where we are right now, and we're glad that we got a seventh day out of this. The IDF, the Israeli Defense Forces, have noted that at least at the time that I came out here, two hostages had made their way back. I don't know if there'll be more. We certainly hope they'll be more," he added. Posted by Greg Norman
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 09:11:47 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 1h U.S. officials said they expected that Israel’s military campaign would resume as Israeli forces seek to root out Hamas and begin to move southward in Gaza. The focus now among U.S. officials has been on working with Israel on tactics that ensure minimal civilian casualties.-WSJ
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 09:13:59 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 1m 🔴Red Cross says 6 Israeli Hostages were received and on the way to Israel
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on November 30, 2023, 09:36:42 pm
How magnanimous of Hamas to give back the hostages they kidnapped on October 7th.
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Could Hamas be a contender for the next Nobel Peace Prize?
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 10:02:12 pm
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Post by: 240B on November 30, 2023, 10:05:03 pm
Blinken wants to restrain Israel because the National Socialist American Workers Party (Democrats) has become openly antisemitic and pro-Hamas terrorists. Biden is trying to play both sides. He wants Jews to believe he is pro-Israel. He wants the National Socialists to believe he is with Hamas.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 30, 2023, 10:07:03 pm
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In the West Bank, Release of Prisoners Deepens Support for Hamas Some people in the West Bank, where frustration with the Palestinian Authority has been simmering for years, believe Hamas and other armed groups are the only ones they can trust to protect them. NY Times, Nov 29, 2023
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 10:07:47 pm
31 minutes ago Six Israeli hostages ID'd as they are transported out of Gaza: photos By Miles Schachner
According to information released by the Red Cross, six Israeli hostages are on their way toward Israeli territory, the IDF said Thursday.
The six freed hostages were identified as siblings Bilal and Aisha Ziyadne, Ilana Gritzewsky, Nili Margalit; Shani Goren and Sapir Cohen, per Tal Schneider of Times of Israel
The bus holding the hostages arrived at the Rafah welcome center in Egypt, where the rest of the hostages have been transferred out of the Gaza Strip.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/11/newest-group-israeli-hostages-released-73057536.jpg?quality=80&strip=all) The hostages wait in the processing facility at the Rafah border crossing.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 10:11:42 pm
Hamas releases video of Yarden Bibas after claiming IDF strike killed mom, kids By Social Links for Ronny Reyes Published Nov. 30, 2023, 4:08 p.m. ET
Hamas has released a propaganda video of Israeli hostage Yarden Bibas — one day after the terror group claimed his wife and two young children were killed in an IDF airstrike.
The chilling video was uploaded on social media and features the 34-year-old father in tears as his captors inform him that his children, 10-month-old Kfir Bibas and 4-year-old Ariel, have been killed along with his wife and wife, Shiri Silverman-Bibas, 32.
Bibas goes on to blame the death of his wife and children on Israel, pleading with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to allow their bodies to be returned to Israel.
Hamas claimed in a statement released with the video that it had offered to release the bodies of Shiri and her children to the IDF, but that the Israeli military allegedly refused.
IDF Spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari refuted the claims and reiterated that Hamas’ testimony regarding the fate of the Bibas family has not been verified.
“The Hamas terrorist organization presented harsh documentation of Yarden Bibas,” Hagari said of the latest propaganda video. “Our hearts are with the entire Bibas family. We will continue to return all our captives.
Jerusalem bus stop shooting 'technically' didn't violate truce: White House By David Spector
Reminder: the fighting in the West Bank didn't stop; ---- it escalated.
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With the world’s eyes on Gaza, attacks are on the rise in the West Bank, which faces its own war Associated Press, Nov 20, 2023
QUSRA, West Bank (AP) — When Israeli warplanes swooped over the Gaza Strip following Hamas militants’ deadly attack on southern Israel, Palestinians say a different kind of war took hold in the occupied West Bank.
Overnight, the territory was closed off. Towns were raided, curfews imposed, teenagers arrested, detainees beaten, and villages stormed by Jewish vigilantes.
With the world’s attention on Gaza and the humanitarian crisis there, the violence of war has also erupted in the West Bank. Israeli settler attacks have surged at an unprecedented rate, according to the United Nations. The escalation has spread fear, deepened despair, and robbed Palestinians of their livelihoods, their homes and, in some cases, their lives.
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Post by: libertybele on November 30, 2023, 10:26:40 pm
And what about American hostages????? :patriot:
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 10:46:05 pm
18 minutes ago Hamas 'willing to extend truce': report By Miles Schachner
Hamas is “willing to extend the truce” with Israel, according to an AFP source.
“The mediators are currently making strong, intense and continuous efforts for an additional day in the truce and then working to extend it again for other days,” the anonymous source said.
The truce, which is now in its seventh day, has resulted in dozens of Israeli hostages returning to Israel and the release of over 200 Palestinian prisoners as humanitarian aid flows into Gaza.
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 10:47:28 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 10:54:28 pm
Surrender: Blinken Tells Israel It Lacks ‘Credit’ to Defeat Hamas
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Israel that it lacks “credit” to conduct the kind of military campaign necessary to defeat Hamas, saying that the Biden administration would not tolerate large-scale bombing over months in southern Gaza.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/11/30/surrender-blinken-tells-israel-it-lacks-credit-to-defeat-hamas/
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Post by: mystery-ak on November 30, 2023, 10:58:41 pm
Uncle: Hamas Branded Nephews on Motorcycle Exhaust Pipe to Prevent Them from Running Away
Hamas terrorists branded some Israeli child hostages by forcing their legs against the exhaust pipes of motorcycles so that they would be burned and would be recognizable if they tried to run away, according to a report in the Israeli media on Thursday.
Surrender: Blinken Tells Israel It Lacks ‘Credit’ to Defeat Hamas
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Israel that it lacks “credit” to conduct the kind of military campaign necessary to defeat Hamas, saying that the Biden administration would not tolerate large-scale bombing over months in southern Gaza.
Obviously Obama and his staff still believe they are the ones running this war and calling the shots. When they say, "the Biden Administration" will not tolerate, they are openly signaling that Biden himself is out of the loop. He is in the basement eating pudding and watching Wheel of Fortune while the shadow government makes policy.
These directives are being formulated and pushed forward by the people behind the scenes who are actually running America, such as Obama and his former staff among others. Unfortunately, many of these people are anti-America and anti-Israel.
I doubt Israel is overly concerned about what Obama wants when it comes to dealing with Hamas. Hamas is a deadly threat to the nation of Israel. It must be destroyed at any cost. Obama/Blinken cannot change this fact.
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Post by: 240B on November 30, 2023, 11:37:00 pm
Hamas releases video of Yarden Bibas after claiming IDF strike killed mom, kids
That is a readymade open-ended excuse for Hamas. All the dead hostages they torture and murder Hamas will claim were killed by IDF bombing. And of course, international media will believe an publish terrorist propaganda without a second thought. The media will forget to mention how and why the hostages were in Gaza to begin with. Hamas is always to blame for creating the situation in the first place.
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Post by: Hoodat on November 30, 2023, 11:42:49 pm
White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said Thursday that the U.S. is working "by the hour"on behalf of Hamasto extend the Israel-Hamas cease-fire.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 12:58:30 am
24 minutes ago Israel reportedly knew Hamas had a plan to attack for over a year By Miles Schachner
Israeli officials had viewed Hamas' Oct. 7 plan for a terrorist attack for over a year, per a report from the New York Times.
Military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as "aspirational," the outlet said, and thought it would be too difficult for Hamas to carry out.
The document reviewed by the Israeli military was approximately 40 pages, nicknamed the "Jericho Wall."
It outlined the specifics of Hamas' invasion that killed 1,200 people, the deadliest day in Israel's history.
Hamas followed the plan outlined in the document with precision, following the instructions in the document that called for a barrage of rockets, drones to knock out security cameras and machine guns on the border and gunmen to flood into the country.
“It is not yet possible to determine whether the plan has been fully accepted and how it will be manifested,” a military assessment of the document read.
It is unclear whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reviewed the document, the report said.
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Post by: libertybele on December 01, 2023, 01:07:25 am
24 minutes ago Israel reportedly knew Hamas had a plan to attack for over a year By Miles Schachner
Israeli officials had viewed Hamas' Oct. 7 plan for a terrorist attack for over a year, per a report from the New York Times.
Military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as "aspirational," the outlet said, and thought it would be too difficult for Hamas to carry out.
The document reviewed by the Israeli military was approximately 40 pages, nicknamed the "Jericho Wall."
It outlined the specifics of Hamas' invasion that killed 1,200 people, the deadliest day in Israel's history.
Hamas followed the plan outlined in the document with precision, following the instructions in the document that called for a barrage of rockets, drones to knock out security cameras and machine guns on the border and gunmen to flood into the country.
“It is not yet possible to determine whether the plan has been fully accepted and how it will be manifested,” a military assessment of the document read.
It is unclear whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reviewed the document, the report said.
I wonder how accurate this story is? Per a report from the NY times isn't specific enough. So, if, they knew for over a year and didn't act?? Wow. Also, why wouldn't Bibi review the document?
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 01:24:13 am
I take everything the NYT prints with a grain of salt...and they hate Bibi as it is..Mossad dropped the ball is what I have read including our CIA..
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 01:57:36 am
Hamas burned child hostages with motorcycle exhaust pipes to ‘mark’ them, drugged them to keep them complacent: family By Alex Oliveira
Children taken hostage by Hamas were “marked” by their captors with burns from searing-hot motorcycle exhaust pipes, family of recently released child hostages have revealed.
“They told us stories about what they went through inside Gaza. The stories are horrible,” said Yaniv Yaakov, the uncle of 12-year-old Yagil and 16-year-old Or, two boys freed this week as part of Israel’s ceasefire deal with Hamas.
“Each child that was taken by Hamas was taken on a motorbike and they took every child, took his leg and put it on the exhaust of that motorbike, so they have a burn so they will be marked if they run, if they escape, so they can find them,” Yaakov said during an interview, according to the Times of Israel.
His nephews and other children held captive by the terrorists were also frequently moved from place to place, and drugged to keep them complacent.
more https://nypost.com/2023/11/30/news/hamas-burned-child-hostages-with-motorcycle-exhaust-pipes-to-mark-them-drugged-them-to-keep-them-complacent-families/
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Post by: GtHawk on December 01, 2023, 03:21:22 am
Hamas burned child hostages with motorcycle exhaust pipes to ‘mark’ them, drugged them to keep them complacent: family By Alex Oliveira
Children taken hostage by Hamas were “marked” by their captors with burns from searing-hot motorcycle exhaust pipes, family of recently released child hostages have revealed.
“They told us stories about what they went through inside Gaza. The stories are horrible,” said Yaniv Yaakov, the uncle of 12-year-old Yagil and 16-year-old Or, two boys freed this week as part of Israel’s ceasefire deal with Hamas.
“Each child that was taken by Hamas was taken on a motorbike and they took every child, took his leg and put it on the exhaust of that motorbike, so they have a burn so they will be marked if they run, if they escape, so they can find them,” Yaakov said during an interview, according to the Times of Israel.
His nephews and other children held captive by the terrorists were also frequently moved from place to place, and drugged to keep them complacent.
more https://nypost.com/2023/11/30/news/hamas-burned-child-hostages-with-motorcycle-exhaust-pipes-to-mark-them-drugged-them-to-keep-them-complacent-families/
Every one of the animals Israel is trading for the hostages should be RFID tagged so that precision munitions can find them when this is over. And every one of the terrorist leaders living in Qatar should be taken out, along with any of their replacements...ad infinitum.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 03:40:48 am
Noah Pollak @NoahPollak · 6h The Blinken visit, where he scolded and threatened Israel, makes something very clear: Israel must quickly and dramatically increase domestic munitions production. Relying on America when Democrats are in charge is a serious national security problem.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 03:40:55 am
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Post by: Elderberry on December 01, 2023, 12:22:57 pm
Trey Yingst @TreyYingst · 6h The ceasefire is over. Israeli jets are striking Gaza. Heavy clashes reported at different areas along the strip.
Trey Yingst @TreyYingst From the IDF:
“Hamas violated the operational pause, and in addition, fired toward Israeli territory. The IDF has resumed combat against the Hamas terrorist organization in the Gaza Strip.”
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Post by: Elderberry on December 01, 2023, 12:24:22 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 2h At this point Israel seems to be sticking to airstrikes to soften targets, IDF ground forces have yet to start to extend their advances further into the Gaza Strip as Qatari mediators claim talks are ongoing to try and have another ceasefire and hostage release deal agreed upon.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 01, 2023, 12:29:57 pm
i24NEWS English reposted Ariel Oseran @ariel_oseran
The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says 32 people were killed and dozens injured in Israeli airstrikes across the strip since the end of the ceasefire.
Many strikes were reportedly in Khan Younis in south Gaza. This video is from Al-Qarara, one of the neighborhoods ordered by the IDF to evacuate.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 01, 2023, 12:30:23 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
Sounds of heavy shelling and exchange of fire from the Gaza strip heard in the city of Sderot — @GuyAz is on location
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Post by: Elderberry on December 01, 2023, 12:40:25 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 24m #BREAKING: As hostilities have been renewed Israeli will reportedly no longer allow any trucks with fuel or equipment to enter the Gaza Strip from Egypt. (Reuters)
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Post by: Elderberry on December 01, 2023, 12:44:57 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · Is the American pressure working against prolonging the ceasefire?
'In the Middle East wars are fought between ceasefires... The U.S wants us to fight a war that does not coincide with what's happening on the ground,' @JerusalemCenter 's Dr. Jacques Neriah tells @laura_i24
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Post by: Elderberry on December 01, 2023, 01:27:51 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender ·
Since the End of the Ceasefire earlier this morning and the Resumption of Combat Operations in the Gaza Strip, both Hamas and Hezbollah have begun Rocket Barrages once again against Towns in Southern and Northern Israel.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 02:35:30 pm
Van Hollen: I’ve Pushed Biden to Get ‘Commitments’ from Israel They’ll Fight Hamas How Biden Wants
On Thursday’s broadcast of CNN International’s “State of the Race,” Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) said that he has been pushing the Biden administration to get “commitments” from the Israeli government that they’ll fight Hamas the way the Biden administration wants them to.
more https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/11/30/van-hollen-ive-pushed-biden-to-get-commitments-from-israel-theyll-fight-hamas-how-biden-wants/
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Post by: mountaineer on December 01, 2023, 02:41:01 pm
While islamic terrorists continue to pour across the U.S. borders in the guise of "migrants": U.S. is set to impose visa bans on ‘Israeli extremist settlers’ involved in West Bank violence. https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1730577841866076501
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Post by: Elderberry on December 01, 2023, 02:49:33 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Did people really think Israel will not renew the war vs. Hamas?
A good time to note the following:
Release of 81 Israeli hostages: Permanent
7-day Gaza ceasefire: Temporary
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · IDF bombed over 200 Gaza targets today; more than 50 rockets fired at Israel; army plans to restart ground assault in "surprising" ways. via @N12News
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Post by: Elderberry on December 01, 2023, 02:52:23 pm
i24NEWS English reposted Pierre Klochendler @P_Klochendler
Gaza border, Southern Israel - JUST NOW! Trail of rocket fire towards Ashdod in Israel. Some 50 rockets strikes since the break of the ceasefire at 05:42 am, and per the IDF, over 200 air, artillery and navy strikes on Hamas targets, including launching pads, command centers and IEDs
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Post by: Elderberry on December 01, 2023, 02:57:11 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · Following #Hamas’ violation of the pause, combat has resumed in the Gaza Strip
'The question is what would be the next phase of the ground incursion into the south?... The exchange of hostages will come with credible military pressure on the enemy,' says Lt. Col. (Res.) @da64
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 04:00:15 pm
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post · 36m White House: US continues work to extend humanitarian pause after Israel-Hamas truce collapses
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 04:00:54 pm
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post · 1h Hamas has no regrets over October 7, 'war of liberation' is coming - official
Osama Hamden, a senior official in Hamas, insisted that Hamas did not regret the October 7 attack and that a larger “war of liberation is coming.”
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 04:07:46 pm
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 12m Success rate of IDF protection system for armored vehicles much higher than expected, @MakorRishon reports; army also uses new model for rapid evacuation of wounded troops, deploys doctors on front lines. All of this helped minimize Israeli death toll in Gaza.
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 1h Did people really think Israel will not renew the war vs. Hamas? A good time to note the following: Release of 81 Israeli hostages: Permanent 7-day Gaza ceasefire: Temporary
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 04:58:39 pm
32 minutes ago
Three Israelis kidnapped by Hamas have died, including a mother of four who was a kindergarten teacher, Israeli authorities said Friday.
The teacher and mom, May Goren, 56, lost her husband on Oct. 7 when he was murdered by Hamas.
Grandfather of five Aria Zalmanowicz, 85, was a founder of the kibbutz where all three victims lived, according to Fox News.
The third victim, Ronen Engel, 54, was a dad of three as well as a volunteer for Israel's national emergency medical services, and loved motorcycles, Fox News reported.
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Post by: GtHawk on December 01, 2023, 05:15:47 pm
Van Hollen: I’ve Pushed Biden to Get ‘Commitments’ from Israel They’ll Fight Hamas How Biden Wants
On Thursday’s broadcast of CNN International’s “State of the Race,” Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) said that he has been pushing the Biden administration to get “commitments” from the Israeli government that they’ll fight Hamas the way the Biden administration wants them to.
more https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/11/30/van-hollen-ive-pushed-biden-to-get-commitments-from-israel-theyll-fight-hamas-how-biden-wants/
:pondering: Maybe the Israelis have no interest in fighting for their survival in the manner a dementia patient and his incompetent moslem appeaser puppet masters say?
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 05:26:03 pm
Scarborough Floats Withholding Israel Aid Until Netanyahu Ousted — ‘We’re Not Going to Throw Money Down a Rat Hole’
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough said Friday on his show “Morning Joe” that the United States should consider withholding aid from Israel until Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is removed from power.
:pondering: Maybe the Israelis have no interest in fighting for their survival in the manner a dementia patient and his incompetent moslem appeaser puppet masters say?
I've been saying this since the war in 2014. --- Israel should tell the US to eff itself and then move on.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 01, 2023, 06:01:51 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 08:21:07 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 46m Ongoing rocket fire from Gaza this evening targets multiple Israeli communities; dozens of rockets fired; IDF prepares to renew & expand ground maneuvers; 98th Paratroopers Division, one of Israel's prime infantry forces, likely to join Gaza assault. via @N12News & @ynetalerts
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 08:22:05 pm
Golda Meir made a cottage industry of telling US Presidents where to get off. They are going to do what it takes to preserve their country.
But they owe Biden. Meir would have lost the '67 war had she not had Senator Biden at her side.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 01, 2023, 09:54:02 pm
Israel promises Hamas the ‘mother of all thumpings’ after cease-fire ends and shelling re-starts By Social Links for Alyssa Guzman Published Dec. 1, 2023, 4:01 p.m. ET
Israel spent its recent seven day cease-fire gaining intelligence to plan “surgical air strikes” to avoid civilian causalities, and its military spokespeople promised Hamas will receive the “mother of all thumpings” following the end of the cease-fire.
Minutes before the cease-fire was set to expire at 7 a.m. Friday morning, Israeli forces said they shot down a Hamas rocket fired from Gaza, breaking the fragile agreement and leading to the shelling of the area.
Government spokesperson Eylon Levy said Friday that “Hamas will now take the mother of all thumpings” after it failed to release all the female hostages promised as part of their cease-fire agreement.
The terrorist organization still has 20 female hostages in captivity, as well as 117 males and two infants, according to Levy.
A Hamas official said he didn’t know how many hostages had died under the terror group’s control as the “number isn’t important.”
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/01/news/israel-used-cease-fire-to-gain-intelligence-for-more-precise-bombings-source/
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 01, 2023, 10:02:37 pm
Golda Meir made a cottage industry of telling US Presidents where to get off. They are going to do what it takes to preserve their country.
So has Benjamin Netanyahu ---- since the days James Baker banned him from the State Department during the GHWB administration.
Maybe I've simply reached a saturation point with Netanyahu. After decades of him relying on our financial and international support, I'm weary of him publicly disrespecting the US on both the international stage and in the halls of our own Congress and government agencies--- in ways he disrespects no other "ally".
I'm approaching the position of stopping all foreign aid, including to countries demanding we put up and shut up. I'd prefer we spend those taxpayer billions taking care of our own borders and security ---- preserving our own country for a change.
And, yes, I include Zelensky and NATO freeloaders in this equation, too.
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 01, 2023, 11:25:33 pm
So has Benjamin Netanyahu ---- since the days James Baker banned him from the State Department during the GHWB administration.
Maybe I've simply reached a saturation point with Netanyahu. After decades of him relying on our financial and international support, I'm weary of him publicly disrespecting the US on both the international stage and in the halls of our own Congress and government agencies--- in ways he disrespects no other "ally".
I'm approaching the position of stopping all foreign aid, including to countries demanding we put up and shut up. I'd prefer we spend those taxpayer billions taking care of our own borders and security ---- preserving our own country for a change.
And, yes, I include Zelensky and NATO freeloaders in this equation, too.
Never forget these animals murdered Bibi's brother. He won't.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 01, 2023, 11:31:24 pm
Are you saying Bibi's raison d'être is war for vengeance till death does he part?
Not necessarily, but he is motivated to not give an inch to Hamas. Destroying Hamas is Job 1. They said the same thing about Bush vs Sadaam, by the way, so I wonder if anybody related to a potential casualty must be barred from Leadership?
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Post by: Hoodat on December 02, 2023, 12:30:10 am
Never forget these animals murdered Bibi's brother. He won't.
The recent atrocities against the people of Israel and the horrors told of those hostages returned is reason to make sure Hamas is stopped. I don't see that Bibi has any other option. He knows that Hamas can't be trusted regardless of what treaty that they eventually say that they will accept. Trusting Hamas would be absurd.
Hamas is taking on Israel and next will be Europe and the U.S. They're here. People need to fully comprehend what's going on.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 01:41:01 am
Scarborough Floats Withholding Israel Aid Until Netanyahu Ousted — ‘We’re Not Going to Throw Money Down a Rat Hole’
MSNBC host Joe Scarborough said Friday on his show “Morning Joe” that the United States should consider withholding aid from Israel until Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is removed from power.
Six days after Oct. 7th, I went on the PBD Podcast and asked a series of questions about what Israeli intelligence failures happened that allowed Hamas to massacre 1,200 civilians. The clip went viral and I was attacked as an antisemite and called worse than a "Holocaust denier."
But now my instincts have been vindicated by a recent bombshell report proving Israel knew Hamas's attack plans more than a year in advance — they called it "Jericho wall" — and the plans were shared widely with intelligence and defense officials.
Now many more questions must be answered:
Why did Israeli intelligence officials, when notified of unusual activity in Gaza on Oct 6, not put one-and-one together that the planned attack was about to unfold?
Why did it it take between 6 and even 20 hours for the IDF to get help to the communities massacred by terrorists?
I stand with Israel and its offensive against Hamas, but the US should not send one more penny to Israel until we have answers to these questions.
7:06 PM · Dec 1, 2023
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 01:41:35 am
Not necessarily, but he is motivated to not give an inch to Hamas.
FWIW, there is a contradictory school of thought on Netanyahu's treatment of Hamas --- and motivation for it --- since he resumed his premiership in 2009.
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Nov 28, 2023
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vehemently denied accusations he allowed Qatar to fund and strengthen the militant group Hamas in order to divide Palestinians into rival political camps, slamming the claims as “ridiculous.”
Netanyahu’s opponents in Israel argue his government spent years actively boosting Hamas in Gaza by allowing Qatar to channel hundreds of millions of dollars to the coastal enclave in a risky game of “divide-and-rule,” that was meant to play the Islamist militants from Hamas off against the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.
“It’s a big lie that I wanted to build [up] Hamas. Ridiculous,” Netanyahu said in an interview with Axel Springer, POLITICO’s parent company. “You don’t go to war three times with Hamas or do major military operations if you want to build up Hamas.”
Former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is a leading example of a politician who takes that version of events with a pinch of salt. “In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas,” he previously told POLITICO. “Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to move millions and millions of dollars to Gaza.”
Most incriminatingly, Netanyahu himself said in 2019 at a Likud party conference: “Anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas.”
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Post by: Elderberry on December 02, 2023, 02:35:21 am
OSINTdefender @sentdefender
Sources have reportedly told Haaretz that almost every Arab Leader during “Behind-the-Scenes Talks” with Israeli Officials including several Gulf States have told them not to End the War with Hamas until the Terrorist Organization is Totally Destroyed with many seeing Hamas as a Domestic Enemy.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 05:11:53 am
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The Guardian Updates 5h ago 19.00 EST
Summary of the day so far It’s 2am in Gaza City and Tel Aviv. Here’s a recap of the latest developments:
Israel’s military pounded the Gaza Strip on Friday after the end of a seven-day truce. Israel launched more than 200 strikes across the Gaza Strip on Friday, including in the densely populated south, where many civilians have fled. Khan Younis, which was previously attacked less heavily than the north of Gaza, was almost bombed from the air immediately after the truce broke down. Israel has signaled that it is preparing to launch a ground assault into southern Gaza in a significant escalation of the war. Gaza’s health ministry said 178 civilians had been killed since the ceasefire ended.
Israel’s military has set out its plan for the “next stage of the war”: dividing Gaza into dozens of numbered “evacuation areas”, a core part of the military’s plan to gradually take control of the southern part of the strip. Under the plan, people in certain numbered districts of Gaza will be told to evacuate before bombing begins, although how much time they will get is not clear. Leaflets were dropped in parts of Khan Younis, where Israel believes Hamas’s leadership is based, warning citizens to evacuate further south to Rafah.
Humanitarian groups said the Israeli warnings would be insufficient because civilians in Gaza were running out of places to evacuate to. Palestinians risked being forced completely out of the territory, they said. Homes in Khan Younis were among the targets struck on Friday hours after the truce expired, and residents were given little, if any, time to flee.
No humanitarian aid has been allowed into Gaza on Friday, including fuel, the head of the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) has said. The Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRCS) said Israeli forces told organisations operating at the Rafah crossing that the entry of aid trucks is prohibited “until further notice”. A spokesperson for the crossing said the entrance of trucks carrying much-needed aid, fuel and cooking gas from Egypt into the Gaza Strip had stopped because of Israeli bombardment.
The resumption of hostilities came as the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, appeared to brush aside US calls to pursue a more restrained military campaign. Netanyahu said his country’s forces were now “charging forward” and that the plan was for a total military victory. In a difficult meeting on Thursday, US secretary of state Antony Blinken clashed with the Israeli cabinet and insisted the level of civilian casualties had to be reduced in any resumed assault and that Israel had to share its long-term objectives for Gaza with moderate Arab states.
The families of hostages being held in Gaza have said they are terrified about the safety of their loved ones after the end of the ceasefire. The relatives of some of the remaining 126 Israeli hostages have said they are grappling with feeling joy for those who have been released, while being worried sick for loved ones left behind.
Israel has said it will not renew visa for a top UN official who helps oversee humanitarian aid for the Gaza Strip and occupied West Bank, a UN spokesperson said. Israel’s foreign ministry last month accused Lynn Hastings, the UN’s deputy special coordinator for the Middle East peace process and UN humanitarian coordinator for the occupied Palestinian territory, of failing to be impartial and objective.
Rishi Sunak has described the breakdown of the truce as “deeply disappointing” and issued renewed calls for “sustained humanitarian pauses” in Gaza as he held talks with Israel’s president and the leaders of Egypt, Qatar and Jordan on the sidelines of the Cop28 summit on Friday.
Israel’s military was aware of Hamas’ plan to launch an attack on Israeli soil more than a year before the bloody 7 October terror attack, according to a New York Times report. The document was reportedly circulated widely among Israeli military and intelligence officials, who dismissed the plan as being of a scale and ambition that was beyond Hamas’s capabilities.
The Biden administration has informed Israel that Washington will impose visa bans in the next few weeks on Israeli extremist settlers engaged in violence against Palestinian civilians in the occupied West Bank, a senior state department official said, in the first sign that the US is prepared to publicly distance itself from some of the Israeli government’s actions.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 05:22:44 am
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The Guardian Updates 5h ago 19.31 EST
Israeli shelling in south Lebanon kills three, Lebanese media says
Israeli shelling killed three people in southern Lebanon on Friday, Lebanon’s state news agency reported, as the collapse of a Israel-Hamas truce prompted a resumption of hostilities at the frontier.
The number rose after two people were earlier reported killed.
The Iran-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah, a Hamas ally, later said two of those killed were its fighters. It also said it had carried out several attacks on Israeli military positions at the border in support Palestinians in Gaza, Reuters reports.
The Israeli army said its artillery struck sources of fire from Lebanon and that air defences had intercepted two launches. The army also said it struck a “terrorist cell”.
Sirens warning of possible incoming rockets sounded in several towns in northern Israel, sending residents running for shelter.
Lebanon’s state news agency reported that two people were killed by Israeli shelling in the Lebanese border town of Houla, and one person was killed in the village of Jebbayn.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on December 02, 2023, 05:23:35 am
:pondering: Maybe the Israelis have no interest in fighting for their survival in the manner a dementia patient and his incompetent moslem appeaser puppet masters say?
I really don't think I'd be consulting the Khan of Kabul for tactical or strategic advice.
Besides, Hamas started it, AGAIN.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 05:26:53 am
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The Guardian Updates 3h ago 20.57 EST
184 killed since resumption of fighting, Gaza authorities say
Gaza health officials say Israeli air strikes have killed 184 people and wounded at least 589 others since the truce expired on Friday morning.
More than 20 houses had been hit, Reuters reports the officials as saying on Friday evening.
The Gaza health ministry said earlier that most of those killed were children and women.
The figures cannot be independently verified.
Israel’s bombardment on Friday after the collapse of the seven-day ceasefire was most intense in the southern areas of Khan Younis and Rafah, medics and witnesses said.
Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been sheltering there because of fighting in the north.
Houses in central and northern areas were also hit.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 06:12:50 am
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Blinken said to warn war cabinet Israel may not have months to topple Hamas Times of Israel, Dec 1, 2023
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned Israel’s war cabinet on Thursday that it likely doesn’t have months to wage war against Hamas in Gaza, as domestic and international pressure mounts on US President Joe Biden’s administration to draw an end to the fighting, an Israeli official said.
The warning was one of several issued by the top US diplomat during his meeting with the war cabinet and in separate sit-downs with top officials. At a press conference, he also publicly cautioned Israel at considerable length against allowing the same scale of death and displacement in southern Gaza once fighting shifts there from northern Gaza.
During Thursday’s war cabinet meeting, ministers reportedly pushed back on some of Blinken’s concerns regarding how Israel has prosecuted the campaign, saying that the IDF follows the laws of war and has taken steps to avoid civilian casualties.
[...]
Senior Israeli military officers say the IDF’s tactics in northern Gaza involved encouraging noncombatants for weeks to evacuate, and then bombarding targeted areas heavily from the air, before ground forces moved through building by building. This left immense devastation, they acknowledge, but was necessary to address concerns that almost every building was booby-trapped and contained shafts leading to underground tunnels from which Hamas gunmen were emerging or poised to emerge.
The IDF has been considering more surgical use of ground forces in parts of southern Gaza, but also believes utilizing the northern Gaza approach when tackling Hamas strongholds in the south could be crucial in avoiding large-scale IDF casualties.
“The way Israel defends itself matters,” Blinken said at his press conference. Israel must act in accordance with “humanitarian law and the laws of war, even when confronting a terrorist group that respects neither.”
All of this can be done while enabling Israel to achieve its objectives, he asserted, though he acknowledged that the challenge is complicated because “Hamas intentionally embeds within civilians — within and below hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, refugee camps.”
Still, he argued, Israel’s sophisticated military “is capable of neutralizing the threat posed by Hamas, while minimizing harm to innocent men, women and children. And it has an obligation to do so.”
[...]
In addition to sharpening his rhetoric regarding the need to protect civilians in Gaza, Blinken said he also discussed the need to plan for who will govern Gaza after the war.
The US is pushing for a “revitalized” Palestinian Authority to eventually govern a reunited Gaza and West Bank, though Netanyahu has all but rejected this proposal.
Blinken said Ramallah would have to undergo reforms, rid itself of corruption and promote a free press to be “revitalized.”
During the war cabinet meeting, Blinken reportedly confronted Netanyahu to propose alternatives to PA rule rather than just dismissing what much of the international community believes is the only realistic option for a post-war Gaza.
“The best way to kill an idea is to bring a better idea. The other countries in the region need to know what you are planning,” Blinken told Netanyahu in comments leaked to Channel 12.
There was a moment of silence in the room before Netanyahu responded, “As long as I’m sitting in this chair, the Palestinian Authority, which supports, educates and finances terror, will not rule Gaza the day after Hamas [is toppled].”
During his meeting with Netanyahu, Blinken again raised the need for Israel to take “immediate steps to hold settler extremists accountable for violence against Palestinians in the West Bank,” according to the US readout. Earlier this month, Biden threatened to issue visa bans against violent settlers whose attacks, rights groups say, have led roughly 1,000 Palestinians to flee their lands.
Blinken told reporters he raised Washington’s “deep concerns” about the uptick in extremist settler violence in addition to proposals from several hardline ministers to further expand settlements in the West Bank.
“I made clear our expectations about addressing these issues,” he said.
He called for steps towards “improving the lives of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank in immediate, tangible ways,” adding that they should be provided with a credible path toward statehood.
Much more: https://www.timesofisrael.com/blinken-said-to-warn-war-cabinet-it-may-not-have-months-to-topple-hamas/
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Post by: Hoodat on December 02, 2023, 06:49:08 am
184 killed since resumption of fighting, Gaza authoritiesHamas says
Gaza health officials say Israeli air strikes have killed 184 people and wounded at least 589 others sincethe truce expiredHamas decided to end the truceon Friday morning.
There, fixed it.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 07:02:56 am
FWIW, similar articles are making their way into the non-US press:
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BBC UPDATES 12.11 1 Dec
Released Palestinians allege abuse in Israeli jails Lucy Williamson Reporting from Jenin, in the West Bank
Palestinian prisoners released from Israeli jails have told the BBC that guards carried out abuse and collective punishment in the weeks after the Hamas attacks on Israel on 7 October.
The prisoners - who were freed over the last week as part of the now-ended hostage deal - have described being hit with sticks, having muzzled dogs set on them, and their clothes, food and blankets taken away.
One female prisoner has said she was threatened with rape, and that guards twice tear-gassed inmates inside the cells.
The BBC spoke to six people in total, all of whom said they were beaten before leaving jail.
The Palestinian Prisoners Society says some guards are alleged to have urinated on handcuffed prisoners and that six detainees had died in jail.
In response to the allegations, the Israel Prison Service told the BBC all prisoners were detained according to the law and had all their basic rights legally required.
"We are not aware of the claims you described," it said in a statement. "Nonetheless, prisoners and detainees have the right to file a complaint that will be fully examined by official authorities."
Israel did not address our question about deaths in custody directly, but said that four prisoners had died on four different dates over the past weeks, and that the prison service had no knowledge of the causes of death.
Read Lucy's full report from the West Bank here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67581915
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 07:07:18 am
FWIW, there is a contradictory school of thought on Netanyahu's treatment of Hamas --- and motivation for it --- since he resumed his premiership in 2009.
(https://i.imgur.com/VO5e2JG.png)
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Post by: Wingnut on December 02, 2023, 01:22:04 pm
Please do not change the contents of a quote. Instead, please include your comments outside the quote's boundaries.
Thank you.
Who died and made you the Quotes Sherriff?
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 02:46:41 pm
White House: We Don’t Support Israel Operating in South Gaza ‘Until They Have Factored in’ ‘Additional Civilians’
On Friday’s broadcast of Bloomberg TV’s “Balance of Power,” White House National Security Council Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby stated that the White House doesn’t support Israel operating against Hamas in the southern portion of Gaza “unless or until they have factored in all those additional civilians” in the area and all civilians in the area.
Kirby said, “We have made two points here: One, we’ve told the Israelis, very consistently, we don’t support southern operations unless or until they have factored in all those additional civilians — actually, all civilians, but noting that there are now hundreds of thousands more civilians. Number two, … we have also urged them to think about how to do this in a way that keeps those civilians safe. Now, I don’t want to get into whether there [are] safe zones called for or what that could look like, but we certainly want to see them pursue these operations in a way that properly accounts for that civilian population, and [that], to the maximum degree that it can, inoculates them from these combat operations, so that they’re not in harm’s way, that they’re not caught in the crossfire between Israel and Hamas.”
more https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/12/01/white-house-we-dont-support-israel-operating-in-south-gaza-until-they-have-factored-in-additional-civilians/
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Post by: catfish1957 on December 02, 2023, 02:49:40 pm
More Dart Board diplomacy by the illustrious Biden Administration. :thud:
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 03:02:11 pm
Israel bombards southern Gaza with airstrikes
Israeli airstrikes and artillery fire hit targets in Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip on Saturday as Israel advances its campaign to eradicate Hamas.
Fighting resumed on Friday after a cease-fire agreement between the two sides collapsed. The Israeli military said that in the last 24 hours combined attacks by its ground, air and naval forces had hit 400 militant targets and killed an unspecified number of Hamas fighters.
The Hamas-led Health Ministry in Gaza claims at least 178 people have been killed by Israel since the end of the truce, adding to the more than 13,300 Palestinians killed during the war. At least 1,200 Israelis were killed in the Oct. 7 terror attack that started the conflict.
The warring sides blamed each other for the collapse of the seven-day truce, during which Hamas had released hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails.
United Nations officials have decried the renewed fighting, saying it will worsen an already catastrophic humanitarian crisis.
"Hell on Earth has returned to Gaza," said Jens Laerke, a spokesman for the U.N. humanitarian office in Geneva.
Reuters contributed to this update. Posted by Chris Pandolfo
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 03:02:57 pm
Netanyahu's office announces recall of cease-fire negotiators from Qatar
The office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced Saturday that a Mossad team sent to Qatar to negotiate for another cease-fire with Hamas would return to Israel after reaching an "impasse."
"Following the impasse in the negotiations and at the direction of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, Mossad head David Barnea ordered his team in Doha to return to Israel," the prime minster's office said in a statement.
"The terrorist organization Hamas did not fulfill its part of the agreement, which included the release of all children and women according to a list that was forwarded to Hamas and approved by it," it added.
Under the previous cease-fire arrangement, Israel secured the release of 84 women and children held captive in the Gaza Strip after the Oct. 7 massacre.
However, the truce ended Friday after both sides accused the other of violating its terms. Israel said Hamas refused to release all of the women it promised. A Palestinian official told Reuters the truce fell apart over female Israeli soldiers. Posted by Chris Pandolfo
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Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on December 02, 2023, 03:15:06 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 03:25:30 pm
14 minutes ago ‘Under no circumstances’ will US allow forced relocation of Palestinians: Kamala Harris By Olivia Land
Vice President Kamala Harris vowed that the US will not allow the forced relocation of Palestinians during a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, her office confirmed on Saturday.
"Under no circumstances will the United States permit the forced relocation of Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, the besiegement of Gaza, or the redrawing of the borders of Gaza," Harris said, according to CNN.
During the meeting, Sisi and Harris discussed plans for the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, “including efforts on reconstruction, security, and governance," the statement from Harris’ office read.
"She (Harris) emphasized that these efforts can only succeed if they are pursued in the context of a clear political horizon for the Palestinian people towards a state of their own led by a revitalized Palestinian Authority and have significant support from the international community and the countries of the region,” the write-up insisted.
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Post by: catfish1957 on December 02, 2023, 03:25:45 pm
I remember calling someone at the TOS the Ampersand "&" King for their aversion to the use of the word "and"
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 03:26:59 pm
6 hours ago IDF struck 'over 400 terrorist targets in Gaza' since the end of cease-fire By Richard Pollina
The IDF struck “over 400 terrorist targets in Gaza” since its weeklong cease-fire with Hamas ended.
Fifty targets within the area of Khan Yunis in the southern part of the Gaza Strip were also hit, the branch posted on X Saturday morning.
Fliers were dropped in Khan Yunis, warning residents to evacuate from the "combat fighting zone" as Israel claimed Hamas violated the truce agreement.
The Israeli Air Force also struck “Islamic Jihad’s operational command center inside a mosque,” while the navy took out multiple targets of Hamas’s Naval Forces.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 04:04:06 pm
5 minutes ago Israel expanding operations into new areas: defense minister By Olivia Land
Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant confirmed Saturday that the IDF will begin attacking new targets after the cease-fire with Hamas fell apart.
"In the last two days, we have also operated in areas where we did not operate in the last month, and this will increase," Gallant said during a visit to an Israeli position near the Gaza border, according to Haaretz.
"We will have to do this with adaptation to the unique conditions of the area we are fighting in, which are different from the areas we fought in before. There will be precise and targeted shooting,” he noted.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 04:04:44 pm
7 minutes ago Hamas claims it targeted Israeli foot soldiers, resulting in deaths By Olivia Land
Hamas has targeted a group of Israeli foot soldiers northwest of Gaza, resulting in deaths and injuries, the terror group claimed Saturday.
With Post wires
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 04:05:53 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 04:09:39 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 2m Thousands of weapons from Syria & Iraq entered Gaza before war in trucks via Egypt border, @ynetalerts reports; arms included RPGs, machine guns & ammunition, report says.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 04:11:44 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 04:42:06 pm
9 minutes ago Biden admin’s effort to prolong cease-fire is ‘objectively pro-Hamas’: John Bolton By Olivia Land
Former Ambassador John Bolton slammed the Biden administration’s efforts to prolong the cease-fire between Israel and Hamas as “objectively pro-Hamas,” saying the White House’s efforts deny Israel its right to self defense.
“With the initial pause now behind us, I think Israel’s best judgment here is to proceed militarily to achieve the objective it says it wants, which is the elimination of Hamas,” Bolton told NewsNation’s Leland Vittert on Friday.
“I think the second-guessing by the Biden administration, the efforts to prolong the pause, to turn it into a full cease-fire, are objectively pro-Hamas, because it denies Israel the self-defense right it has to eliminate the terrorist threat,” he continued.
“When you take the position that Israel can defend itself, it just can’t defend itself very well, you’re setting up an impossible situation for the Israelis.”
Bolton scoffed that Biden’s administration appears “weak” on the Israel-Hamas war and other issues, including the war in Ukraine and China.
“They really are trying to constrain what Israel is trying to do. I think it may be for political reasons…I think the administration is scared to death of the left wing of the Democratic party. But I also think Biden internationally wants to have both ways…that’s the terrorist veto,” he added.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on December 02, 2023, 05:56:03 pm
9 minutes ago Biden admin’s effort to prolong cease-fire is ‘objectively pro-Hamas’: John Bolton By Olivia Land
Former Ambassador John Bolton slammed the Biden administration’s efforts to prolong the cease-fire between Israel and Hamas as “objectively pro-Hamas,” saying the White House’s efforts deny Israel its right to self defense.
“With the initial pause now behind us, I think Israel’s best judgment here is to proceed militarily to achieve the objective it says it wants, which is the elimination of Hamas,” Bolton told NewsNation’s Leland Vittert on Friday.
“I think the second-guessing by the Biden administration, the efforts to prolong the pause, to turn it into a full cease-fire, are objectively pro-Hamas, because it denies Israel the self-defense right it has to eliminate the terrorist threat,” he continued.
“When you take the position that Israel can defend itself, it just can’t defend itself very well, you’re setting up an impossible situation for the Israelis.”
Bolton scoffed that Biden’s administration appears “weak” on the Israel-Hamas war and other issues, including the war in Ukraine and China.
“They really are trying to constrain what Israel is trying to do. I think it may be for political reasons…I think the administration is scared to death of the left wing of the Democratic party. But I also think Biden internationally wants to have both ways…that’s the terrorist veto,” he added.
LOL! Almost reads like an audition in the 2nd Trump Administration
As far as MAGA Country goes, John Bolton "screwed the pooch" years ago, didn't he?
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 06:12:34 pm
23 minutes ago No more hostages released without full cease-fire: Hamas official By Olivia Land
Hamas has refused to release any more Israeli hostages without a full cease-fire and the release of all Palestinian prisoners, the head of the terror group’s political bureau told Al Jazeera Saturday.
"Israel has decided that it does not want to renew contacts for a prisoner exchange based on new terms," Saleh al-Arouri told the outlet, according to Haaretz.
"Israel insists that we still have women and children, even though we clarified that we handed over all the women and children in our possession, and now only men and soldiers remain. The adults we have, from our perspective, have served in the army, and some of them are still in reserve duty,” he claimed.
Hamas may agree to a body exchange, but would need time "to retrieve the bodies of the Israelis, some of whom were killed in Israel's bombings in Gaza,” he added.
Earlier on Saturday, a source told CNN that talks between Israel and Hamas broke down over a disagreement about women hostages.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 06:13:32 pm
an hour ago Negotiations between Israel and Hamas fell apart over release of women: source By Olivia Land
The negotiations between Israel and Hamas in Qatar fell apart Saturday when Israel insisted on the release of a group of women hostages and Hamas refused, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.
Hamas supposedly pushed to release a group of male hostages – possibly for a different set of terms – but Israel argued that all the women needed to be released first, the source explained.
Israel and the US believe that Hamas still has several women – many of them between ages 20 and 30 – CNN previously said.
Hamas insists that some of the women it is holding were considered part of the IDF, which Israel denies.
Earlier on Saturday, Israel announced that it had recalled its Mossad negotiators from the talks in Qatar because the process reached a “dead end.”
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 06:14:16 pm
an hour ago ‘Too many innocent Palestinians have been killed’ in Israel-Hamas war: Harris By Olivia Land
Vice President Kamala Harris said “too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” in the Israel-Hamas war while speaking in Dubai Saturday.
"Israel has a legitimate military objective against Hamas but must do more to protect civilians," Harris insisted at the United Nations Climate Change Conference.
"International humanitarian law must be respected in Gaza war.”
Harris added that the US wants “to see a unified Gaza and West Bank under the Palestinian Authority,” and emphasized that the PA "must be strengthened to assume security responsibilities in Gaza."
With Post wires
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Post by: Smokin Joe on December 02, 2023, 06:16:03 pm
an hour ago ‘Too many innocent Palestinians have been killed’ in Israel-Hamas war: Harris By Olivia Land
Vice President Kamala Harris said “too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” in the Israel-Hamas war while speaking in Dubai Saturday.
"Israel has a legitimate military objective against Hamas but must do more to protect civilians," Harris insisted at the United Nations Climate Change Conference.
"International humanitarian law must be respected in Gaza war.”
Harris added that the US wants “to see a unified Gaza and West Bank under the Palestinian Authority,” and emphasized that the PA "must be strengthened to assume security responsibilities in Gaza."
With Post wires
As for "respecting international humanitarian law", it was a lack of that that started this whole thing.
So I look at that “too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” glass differently. Not enough guilty ones...
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Post by: Hoodat on December 02, 2023, 06:22:38 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF . @AFP , during such sensitive times where 137 Israelis are being held hostage by terrorists in Gaza, the least you can do as a news agency is report the facts. So here they are:
• Hamas refused to release the number of hostages they promised in the agreement framework. • Hamas refused to release women and children. • Hamas fired rockets at Israel. @AFF, still confused?
Apparently, there is another poster here who is confused as well. But truth matters. Lies should always be challenged.
Bottom line - Hamas chose to end the cease fire. They chose to violate the terms of the agreement. And any comments coming from "Gaza authorities" is a comment coming from Hamas. So stop pretending first party comments are third party comments. Anything coming from Gaza is Hamas propaganda and should be treated as such.
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Post by: Hoodat on December 02, 2023, 06:25:11 pm
23 minutes ago No more hostages released without full cease-fire: Hamas official By Olivia Land
Hamas has refused to release any more Israeli hostages without a full cease-fire and the release of all Palestinian prisoners, the head of the terror group’s political bureau told Al Jazeera Saturday.
Pig shit holds more value than the word of Hamas.
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Post by: Hoodat on December 02, 2023, 06:30:30 pm
an hour ago ‘Too many innocent Palestinians have been killed’ in Israel-Hamas war: Harris By Olivia Land
Vice President Kamala Harris said “too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” in the Israel-Hamas war while speaking in Dubai Saturday.
These would be the same "innocents" who actively support Hamas, who aid and abet Hamas, who give their blessing for aid dollars destined for them to be siphoned off for the purchase of weapons to kill Jews. And when hostages were able to escape their Hamas captors, it was these same "innocents" who found them and immediately turned them back over to Hamas.
This regime is not a friend to Israel.
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Post by: libertybele on December 02, 2023, 07:07:54 pm
an hour ago ‘Too many innocent Palestinians have been killed’ in Israel-Hamas war: Harris By Olivia Land
Vice President Kamala Harris said “too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” in the Israel-Hamas war while speaking in Dubai Saturday.
"Israel has a legitimate military objective against Hamas but must do more to protect civilians," Harris insisted at the United Nations Climate Change Conference.
"International humanitarian law must be respected in Gaza war.”
Harris added that the US wants “to see a unified Gaza and West Bank under the Palestinian Authority,” and emphasized that the PA "must be strengthened to assume security responsibilities in Gaza."
With Post wires
Basically Harris is pro - Hamas and that doesn't surprise me. A unified West Bank and Gaza under Pali Authority? That should work out well. *****rollingeyes*****
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 07:27:18 pm
Israel ‘returned to fighting in full force’ after cease-fire: defense minister By Olivia Land
The Israeli military has “returned to fighting in full force” after the end of the cease-fire with Hamas, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant announced Saturday, according to the Times of Israel.
“We are continuing exactly where we left off,” Gallant insisted, calling the last two days of resumed fighting “very impressive” for the IDF.
“Thousands of terrorists have been eliminated, dozens of headquarters [have been struck], hundreds of terabytes of information are in our hands, hundreds of terrorists have been captured and are being interrogated in Israel,” he boasted.
“An achievement of 110 hostages returning alive, no army in the world has achieved this against a terror organization. We achieved [that] because of the strength of the IDF.”
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 07:32:45 pm
Netanyahu Orders Mossad Chief to Leave Qatar; ‘Dead End’ with Hamas
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the head of the Mossad intelligence agency, David Barnea, to return home from Doha, Qatar, on Saturday because negotiations with Hamas had reached a “dead end.”
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 07:56:38 pm
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Kamala Harris says "post-conflict Gaza" must include "no forceable displacement, no re-occupation, no siege or blockade, no reduction in territory," based on "Palestinian voices and aspirations". (Video)
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 08:01:26 pm
6 minutes ago Israeli soldiers given card deck identifying senior Hamas targets: report By Olivia Land
Israeli troops in the Gaza Strip are supposedly being handed decks of cards with the faces and information about senior Hamas targets so they know to kill them, Ynet News alleged.
The military has apparently distributed about 10,000 decks of cards over the past few days, as the IDF resumed its ground operations in Gaza following the end of the cease-fire, the outlet explained.
Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and military chief Mohammed Deif are included on the cards of desirable targets, according to a photo purporting to show the decks.
The US military used a similar tactic in Iraq in 2003, when it distributed decks of the most wanted figures from Saddam Hussein’s regime, YNet News noted.
Sinwar has also been symbolically demoted on the card because he is not an ace – which might be an attempt to psychologically intimidate him, the outlet explained.
The two aces in the deck appear to be Ismail Haniyeh and Khaled Mashal – the current and former head of Hamas’ political arm – and Marwan Issa, who represents the military wing in the political group, YNet said.
Sinwar’s brother, Muhammad, is the Black Jack, while Deif is the Joker.
The deck also includes 10 cards depicting senior figures who have already been killed.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 08:02:06 pm
22 minutes ago Netanyahu calls Hamas ‘a Satan,’ pledges to fight ‘to the end’ in rare presser By Olivia Land
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave a rare press conference from Tel Aviv Saturday night, in which he slammed Hamas as “a Devil, a Satan” and pledged to continue Israel’s ground offensive in the Gaza Strip.
“We remained very firm in negotiations,” Netanyahu said of Israel’s talks with Hamas in Qatar, which dissolved late this week when the two sides could not agree over the order of hostage releases.
[Hamas is] a devil, a Satan,” he continued, pledging that Israeli forces would “do everything to obliterate” the terror group.
“Our troops have been preparing during this cease-fire for absolute victory over Hamas,” Netanyahu said of the week-long cease-fire that saw the release of 110 hostages from the Gaza Strip.
He also confirmed the restart of the IDF’s ground assault on Gaza, where efforts were now turning toward the densely populated southern part of the region.
“Today I ordered the army to resume attacks in intensified way,” the prime minister told the press, adding that they are prepared to "fight to the end."
The rest of the hostages cannot be freed without the ongoing military operation, he insisted.
“This is a war against the terrorists and for our people. We are all uniting behind our cause and we are all supporting our forces…With the help of God, we will all win,” Netanyahu said.
The prime minister, 74, also took questions from reporters, including some about the potential future for the Gaza Strip post-conflict.
“I oppose the introduction of the Palestinian Authority into the Gaza Strip. The IDF will have full control of the area. The Palestinian Authority is educating for the disappearance of the State of Israel. The PA supports terrorism,” he told the room.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 08:04:21 pm
22 minutes ago Thousands of people attend vigil in Tel Aviv’s ‘Hostage Square’ By Olivia Land
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/11/protesters-attend-demonstration-ask-release-73151173.jpg?resize=2048,1365&quality=80&strip=all) Protesters attend a demonstration to ask for the release of hostages held in Gaza since the October 7 attack, in Tel Aviv on December 2, 2023.AFP via Getty Images
Thousands of people filled Tel Aviv’s “Hostage Square” Saturday evening for a weekly vigil calling for the release of the hostages in the Gaza Strip, Haaretz reported.
Many of the attendees this week wore orange t-shirts in honor of Ariel and Kfir Bibas – two flame-haired brothers nicknamed “the Reds,” who are still believed to be held hostage alongside their mother, Shiri Bibas.
Shiri’s husband, the boys’ father, is also being held by Hamas.
Earlier this week, Hamas alleged that Shiri and her sons had been killed, but Israel countered that it could not confirm this information.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 08:05:08 pm
2 minutes ago Netanyahu backs up mass weapons distribution policy by far-right minister By Olivia Land
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu backed up the gun-distribution policy spearheaded by Minister of Internal Security Amir Ben-Gvir at his press conference Saturday.
He brushed off concerns about the policy following the shooting of an innocent Israeli man in Jerusalem on Friday, saying that “the moment you distribute firearms in larger numbers, these incidents can happen.”
"We know that in waves of terror in the last decade, the presence of armed civilians saved the situation and prevented a major disaster. It happened dozens of times. Therefore, I think that in the current situation, we should continue with this policy - I definitely support it. There may be costs to it, and those are lives,” Netanyahu insisted.
Ben-Gvir is a controversial figure in Israeli politics: A far-right extremist, his Otzma Yehudit party openly espouses anti-Arabism. Before his political career, he was known for having a portrait of Israeli-American terrorist Barush Goldstein – who killed 29 Palestinians in Hebron in 1994 – in his living room, France24 reported.
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Post by: libertybele on December 02, 2023, 08:43:51 pm
22 minutes ago Netanyahu calls Hamas ‘a Satan,’ pledges to fight ‘to the end’ in rare presser By Olivia Land
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave a rare press conference from Tel Aviv Saturday night, in which he slammed Hamas as “a Devil, a Satan” and pledged to continue Israel’s ground offensive in the Gaza Strip.
“We remained very firm in negotiations,” Netanyahu said of Israel’s talks with Hamas in Qatar, which dissolved late this week when the two sides could not agree over the order of hostage releases.
[Hamas is] a devil, a Satan,” he continued, pledging that Israeli forces would “do everything to obliterate” the terror group.
“Our troops have been preparing during this cease-fire for absolute victory over Hamas,” Netanyahu said of the week-long cease-fire that saw the release of 110 hostages from the Gaza Strip.
He also confirmed the restart of the IDF’s ground assault on Gaza, where efforts were now turning toward the densely populated southern part of the region.
“Today I ordered the army to resume attacks in intensified way,” the prime minister told the press, adding that they are prepared to "fight to the end."
The rest of the hostages cannot be freed without the ongoing military operation, he insisted.
“This is a war against the terrorists and for our people. We are all uniting behind our cause and we are all supporting our forces…With the help of God, we will all win,” Netanyahu said.
The prime minister, 74, also took questions from reporters, including some about the potential future for the Gaza Strip post-conflict.
“I oppose the introduction of the Palestinian Authority into the Gaza Strip. The IDF will have full control of the area. The Palestinian Authority is educating for the disappearance of the State of Israel. The PA supports terrorism,” he told the room.
Bibi is correct; this is a war against Satan. Israel will remain standing; I have no doubt.
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Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on December 02, 2023, 09:13:07 pm
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2023, 09:30:14 pm
Hamas terror tunnel entrance located 15 meters from a school donated by a German development agency. https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1731043752100188265
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 09:35:45 pm
Look at the left hand corner of that photo..that's an aircraft carrier....
“This is a war against the terrorists and for our people. We are all uniting behind our cause and we are all supporting our forces…With the help of God, we will all win,” Netanyahu said.
The prime minister, 74, also took questions from reporters, including some about the potential future for the Gaza Strip post-conflict.
“I oppose the introduction of the Palestinian Authority into the Gaza Strip. The IDF will have full control of the area. The Palestinian Authority is educating for the disappearance of the State of Israel. The PA supports terrorism,” he told the room.
Considering that the Palestinian Authority supports terrorism, Bibi is making the right call.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2023, 10:04:19 pm
18 minutes ago Hamas refusing to allow Red Cross to visit hostages: Netanyahu By David Spector
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says Hamas has broken its agreement with Israel to allow the Red Cross to visit the and provide medical care to the remaining hostages it has in captivity.
Last week Rachel Goldberg, whose son Hersh Goldberg-Polin is still held hostage, slammed the Red Cross as nothing more than an "Uber service."
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 10:09:52 pm
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Haaretz 10:49 PM
The UK will fly surveillance aircraft over Israel and Gaza to help locate hostages
The British Ministry of Defense announced that it will conduct surveillance flights over the Eastern Mediterranean, including operating in air space over Israel and Gaza in an effort to locate and rescue hostages held in Gaza, including British nationals.
The announcement stated that the aircraft will be unarmed, do not have a combat role, and will be tasked solely to locate hostages," and that it will share "only information relating to hostage rescue" will be shared with other entities.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 10:19:07 pm
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Ben Samuels 11:01 PM
U.S. Defense Secretary: 'You can only win in urban warfare by protecting civilians'
U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin spoke about the ongoing fighting between Israel and Hamas and said that "you can only win in urban warfare by protecting civilians."
Speaking at the Reagan National Defense Forum, Austin said he has "repeatedly made clear to Israel's leaders that protecting Palestinian civilians in Gaza is both a moral responsibility and a strategic imperative."
"I have personally pushed Israeli leaders to avoid civilian casualties, and to shun irresponsible rhetoric," he said, adding that he also urged them to "prevent violence by settlers in the West Bank, and to dramatically expand access to humanitarian aid."
Emphasizing the central role of protecting civilian population, the Defense Secretary said: "If you drive them into the arms of the enemy, you replace a tactical victory with a strategic defeat."
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Post by: mountaineer on December 02, 2023, 11:15:10 pm
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U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin spoke about the ongoing fighting between Israel and Hamas and said that "you can only win in urban warfare by protecting civilians."
I would guess you win in urban warfare - or any type of warfare - by killing a lot of the enemy and disabling his capability to kill you.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 02, 2023, 11:23:34 pm
Winning the future takes more than killing.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on December 02, 2023, 11:36:05 pm
Bibi basically said that he would not allow a terrorist organization to be put in power over Gaza. And for some weird reason, @Right_in_Virginia has a problem with that.
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Post by: Wingnut on December 02, 2023, 11:59:21 pm
Bibi basically said that he would not allow a terrorist organization to be put in power over Gaza. And for some weird reason, @Right_in_Virginia has a problem with that.
I think RiV is a Pali plant.
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Post by: 240B on December 03, 2023, 12:05:12 am
If Israel would stop killing and give more land to the people who praise Hitler and publicly call for a worldwide Jewish genocide, then everything would be teddybears and flowers, and unicorns will lead the way to euphoric peace with everyone ... forever.
I wish I could be as dreamy as @Right_in_Virginia. It must be a calm and worry free, blissful life.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 01:46:36 am
Freed hostages revealed the horrors they had to endure in Hamas captivity, and urged decision-makers to free all of the remaining women and children before it was too late, the Jerusalem Post reports.
Danielle Aloni who was freed after being held hostage for 49 days said that she felt like she was in a "horror movie," and said each day spent in captivity was "an eternity."
"People can die because they simply decided to murder them."
85-year-old Yocheved Lifschitz said she hardly slept while held against her will in Hamas underground tunnels and got very sick from the food she was given there.
"The oxygen in the tunnels is running out," Lifschitz warned.
Holocaust survivor Yafa Adar, 85, who spent 49 days as a Hamas captive, plead for the immediate release of all remaining hostages.
"I was in that hell, I'm asking, begging, from all decision-makers to get the children out, get everyone out. It's not easy, not for them and not for the families."
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 01:49:08 am
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin calls out Iranian strikes against U.S.: 'These attacks must stop'
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Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin criticized recent Iranian attacks on U.S. personnel in the Middle East at the Reagan National Defense Forum on Saturday.
Speaking from Simi Valley, California, Austin acknowledged that Iran is "raising tensions" by launching strikes against American forces in Iraq and Syria.
"We will not tolerate attacks on American personnel," Austin stated. "And so these attacks must stop."
"And until they do, we will do what we need to do to protect our troops and to impose costs on those who attack them," he continued.
The defense secretary also spoke about the Israel-Hamas war, arguing that protecting Gazan civilians is "both a moral responsibility and a strategic imperative."
"I personally pushed Israeli leaders to avoid civilian casualties and to shun irresponsible rhetoric and to prevent violence by settlers in the West Bank and to dramatically expand access humanitarian aid," Austin added.
Fox News Digital's Liz Friden contributed to this report. Posted by Andrea Vacchiano
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 01:54:27 am
If Israel would stop killing and give more land to the people who praise Hitler and publicly call for a worldwide Jewish genocide, then everything would be teddybears and flowers, and unicorns will lead the way to euphoric peace with everyone ... forever.
I wish I could be as dreamy as @Right_in_Virginia. It must be a calm and worry free, blissful life.
Well, yeah.
We'd have the Dar al Islam, just as soon as they finished killing off everyone else (Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Shinto, Animists, etc.)
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Post by: Timber Rattler on December 03, 2023, 04:15:01 am
A fair amount of demolition, by whatever means is handy, too.
No doubt about it @Smokin Joe But, I don't think Netanyahu has yet come to fully appreciate how things have changed.
One change is the shift in Western demographics --- clearly heard not only on the streets of Western cities, but also in the halls of Western universities and governments. Netanyahu should recognize Western support is being tangibly diluted.
Another change is the simple passage of time. Israel won the war 56 years ago and for nearly every one of these years the world has been drawn into every murder at a bus stop, intifada, lead up to war and the after battle critique --- making this the longest six day war in world history. It's simply time to end it.
The most significant change, IMO, is Israel's loss of invincibility. This aura is what allowed Israel to "manage" the Palestinian problem and Arab nations (and Russia) to look the other way whenever Israel sent a sortie to take out airport runways and weapons caches in neighboring countries.
But, Oct 7 changed all that --- and in the most public, dehumanizing, atrocious ways possible. A low life group of animals brought Israel quickly to its knees, and by surprise. Everyone in the ME now knows this: An Israel victory is no longer a foregone conclusion. This is why war could likely spread. And, Israel's moderate Arab neighbors really don't want this ---
The West (and Arab neighbors) want Israel to destroy as much of Hamas as possible ---- Israel deserves to and it helps the neighborhood. But, after the bombs and shelling stop, I don't think Israel walks away with the keys to the Gaza house. I think it becomes part of the State of Palestine. Netanyahu already proclaiming this will not happen will not help him. It will ostracize him.
So, I continue to hope Bibi stops bloviating and starts thinking about how Israel moves forward in the world as it is today.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on December 03, 2023, 06:49:21 am
No doubt about it @Smokin Joe But, I don't think Netanyahu has yet come to fully appreciate how things have changed.
One change is the shift in Western demographics --- clearly heard not only on the streets of Western cities, but also in the halls of Western universities and governments. Netanyahu should recognize Western support is being tangibly diluted.
Western support is watered down by thuggish protesters who adhere to a fundamental belief system that is incompatible with most Western forms of government, people who despite all the heart wrenching tales of woe, illegally invaded western countries en masse. In a nutshell, not only was that stupid on the part of those governments to let them in, but to let them establish no-go zones in Western centers of culture is the height of folly, one which may well have Europe longing for another Charles Martel.
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Another change is the simple passage of time. Israel won the war 56 years ago and for nearly every one of these years the world has been drawn into every murder at a bus stop, intifada, lead up to war and the after battle critique --- making this the longest six day war in world history. It's simply time to end it.
Communism was pronounced "dead" a few decades back, but we have had "trained Marxist" let organizations make unholy mayhem of our cities since then. Some ideas, especially bad ones, never die. In case you missed it, aside from the blowing up busloads of people with car bombs and suicide bombers, and the occasional random knife/gun attacks, why, it's just as placid as, say, Chicago, or some other American cities. Something about civilians being randomly attacked (known as "terrorism") that captures the headlines. Like any mass attack, most anywhere. Is that Israel's fault? Seems like the people randomly being attacked are the victims, here. Keep in mind that Hamas started the latest hostilities, and that Israel is talking like they will end Hamas, and the problem.
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The most significant change, IMO, is Israel's loss of invincibility. This aura is what allowed Israel to "manage" the Palestinian problem and Arab nations (and Russia) to look the other way whenever Israel sent a sortie to take out airport runways and weapons caches in neighboring countries.
But, Oct 7 changed all that --- and in the most public, dehumanizing, atrocious ways possible. A low life group of animals brought Israel quickly to its knees, and by surprise. Everyone in the ME now knows this: An Israel victory is no longer a foregone conclusion. This is why war could likely spread. And, Israel's moderate Arab neighbors really don't want this ---
Name one country, anywhere, that never lost a battle, that was never the victim of a surprise attack.
I'll wait.
Virtually all of those countries still exist, despite those sneak attacks and initial losses, and they prevailed in the longer conflict. So will it be with Israel.
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The West (and Arab neighbors) want Israel to destroy as much of Hamas as possible ---- Israel deserves to and it helps the neighborhood. But, after the bombs and shelling stop, I don't think Israel walks away with the keys to the Gaza house. I think it becomes part of the State of Palestine. Netanyahu already proclaiming this will not happen will not help him. It will ostracize him.
So, I continue to hope Bibi stops bloviating and starts thinking about how Israel moves forward in the world as it is today.
From what I see, I hope Bibi hands them the key to the gate, and that is all that is standing. Face it, this has not happened in some sort of vacuum, foisted on poor, peaceful, unsuspecting innocent Palestinians. They're all in cahoots, Hamas is their selected governing group, and they are such a wholesome group that neighboring nations have thrown open their borders to let the poor, the halt, the lame refugees in. Oh, wait. That isn't happening, and that is the biggest tell of all. None there wants that bunch for next door neighbors in their 'hood. That says a lot. As for Bibi, well, they have put his ass against the proverbial wall. He has to annihilate them as a political entity, if for no other reason than for Israel to regain face after being sneak attacked. Anything less is merciful (and stupid). Whatever remains of them will be rebuilt using US dollars sent to Iran, because they are a useful thorn on the path to peace in the region.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 03, 2023, 08:33:29 am
Western support is watered down by thuggish protesters who adhere to a fundamental belief system that is incompatible with most Western forms of government, people who despite all the heart wrenching tales of woe, illegally invaded western countries en masse. In a nutshell, not only was that stupid on the part of those governments to let them in, but to let them establish no-go zones in Western centers of culture is the height of folly, one which may well have Europe longing for another Charles Martel.
I can't argue with any of this pointing-up. The change in Western demographics is driving the changing political view on Israel and Palestine. Sometimes I get the feeling that Bibi considers this political shift to be fleeting and an outlier. IMO, he needs to pay closer attention to this because the shift is real.
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In case you missed it, aside from the blowing up busloads of people with car bombs and suicide bombers, and the occasional random knife/gun attacks, why, it's just as placid as, say, Chicago, or some other American cities. Something about civilians being randomly attacked (known as "terrorism") that captures the headlines. Like any mass attack, most anywhere. Is that Israel's fault? Seems like the people randomly being attacked are the victims, here.
You may have missed my point, which is simply that people tire of war, especially the same one. We certainly did after 20 years in Afghanistan ---- and that war started with 3,000 dead American civilians from a sucker punch from terrorists who hated us. Tiring of war is natural; healthy even.
Israel has been at this war, in one form of another for 56 years ---- making it the longest six day war in world history. I want Bibi to read the room and actually see the exhaustion the world has from this. Israel should take its full and justfied retribution against Hamas --- and then end the Six Day War and find the courage to move past it.
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Keep in mind that Hamas started the latest hostilities, and that Israel is talking like they will end Hamas, and the problem. Name one country, anywhere, that never lost a battle, that was never the victim of a surprise attack.
IMO, Israel has had two shields. The first is the historic, unquestioning financial and armament support from the world's only economic and military superpower. This shield is fraying with alarming speed. The second shield is the legend of invincibility.. On October 7, Israel did not "lose a battle" --- On Oct 7, Israel lost the supremecy it projected to the world ---- especially to foes. On Oct 7, David became Goliath.
This is such a profound sea change that if Israel kills every Hamas terrorist, it will not change what the Middle East saw end that day: The legend of Israel. Israel is not the toughest kid on the block. Bibi needs a Plan B.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 03, 2023, 01:01:48 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
'The aim of Israel is to eliminate the control of the Hamas from Gaza, so that the Gaza Strip does not constitute a danger in the future for Israel...not forgetting bringing back all our hostages'
Former Israeli Ambassador to France & Italy Avi Pazner says Israel needs to start thinking about what the day after the war will look like
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Post by: Elderberry on December 03, 2023, 02:07:41 pm
ICC Prosecutor, Karim A. A. Khan KC, concludes first visit to Israel and State of Palestine by an ICC Prosecutor: “We must show that the law is there, on the front lines, and that it is capable of protecting all”.
I have just concluded my first visit to Israel and the State of Palestine. During this mission, I had a simple message: my Office is here to ensure that the protection of the law is felt by all.
I am sincerely grateful for the warmth and openness shown by all those I met with during this visit. The clarity, compassion and courage that victims, in particular, in both Israel and Palestine, demonstrated in explaining their experiences were deeply impactful. While not investigative in nature, this mission allowed me to listen to their accounts and deepen my understanding of what they experienced.
My visit to Israel was conducted at the request of family members and friends of Israeli citizens who were either killed or taken hostage by Hamas and other armed Palestinian groups on 7 October 2023.
In both Kibbutz Beeri and Kibbutz Kfar Azza, as well as at the site of the Nova Music Festival in Re’im, I witnessed scenes of calculated cruelty. The attacks against innocent Israeli civilians on 7 October represent some of the most serious international crimes that shock the conscience of humanity, crimes which the ICC was established to address. In my meeting with the families of the victims of these attacks, my message was clear: we stand ready to work in partnership with them as part of our ongoing work to hold those responsible to account. I also stand ready to engage with relevant national authorities in line with the principle of complementarity at the heart of the Rome Statute. Such engagement, like my visit, would be without prejudice to the position of Israel on jurisdiction, and as a non-State Party to the Rome Statute.
I called for the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages taken by Hamas and other terror organisations. There can be no justification for the holding of any hostages, and in particular the egregious breach of fundamental principles of humanity through the taking and continued holding of children. Hostages cannot be treated as human shields or bargaining chips.
During my visit to Ramallah, I had the honour to meet separately with their Excellencies President Mr. Mahmoud Abbas, Prime Minister Mr. Mohammad Shtayeh, and Minister of Justice, Mr. Mohammad Shalaldeh. I underlined to them that it was of real significance to me that this represented the first official visit by an ICC Prosecutor to the State of Palestine, and I expressed my sincere thanks for the official welcome that they provided. Our discussions were highly productive as we look to further deepen our cooperation under the Rome Statute.
More at link.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 02:09:10 pm
The Islamic State Renews Calls for Attacks on Europe in Wake of Gaza Conflict
Islamist propaganda is working to juice every possible advantage out of the Hamas terror attack against Israel, with calls for attacks against Jews, “crusaders”, and the West being issued.
Muslims who want to liberate Palestine should join the Islamic State, an Afghan IS propaganda newspaper claims, while others call for believers to use absolutely any means at their disposal to launch an attack, even if it’s just punching an unbeliever. The messages encouraging violence and murder are the latest wave of Islamist propaganda that has come since Hamas launched their October terrorist attack against Israel which was followed by a considerable uptick in antisemitism in Western states.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 02:10:17 pm
Israel Kills Hamas Commander Wissam Farhat in Renewed Gaza Offensive
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) announced Saturday that it had killed Hamas commander Wissam Farhat, who was involved in planning the October 7 terror attack and had been involved in terrorism against Israel for almost three decades.
Though the IDF stopped most of Hamas' attacks via the sea, some of the terrorists made it to land, killing 17 civilians and at least two dozen soldiers at the beach and at a nearby army base.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 02:49:17 pm
12 hours ago Israel killed Hamas commander who helped orchestrate Oct. 7 attacks in an airstrike: IDF By Miles Schachner
Israel killed Hamas commander Wessam Farhat, who helped orchestrate the terrorist organization's Oct. 7 attacks, the IDF and Israel Security Agency said in a release on Saturday.
Israeli Air Force fighter jets killed Farhat in an airstrike after the IDF received intelligence on his whereabouts, the report said.
Farhat, who commanded Hamas’ Shejaiya Battalion, planned the attack on the kibbutz of Nahal Oz and an IDF post on Oct. 7, killing six IDF soldiers, according to the release.
The commander took control of his battalion in 2010.
He was also responsible for a 2002 terrorist attack on Mechinat Atzmona and a 2011 attack on a civilian bus in Nahal Oz.
“Since the beginning of the war, the IDF and ISA have significantly degraded the Shejaiya Battalion’s capabilities, including the elimination of their senior commanders and the striking of terror infrastructure and weapons,” the statement read.
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Post by: catfish1957 on December 03, 2023, 02:52:45 pm
Though the IDF stopped most of Hamas' attacks via the sea, some of the terrorists made it to land, killing 17 civilians and at least two dozen soldiers at the beach and at a nearby army base.
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The IDF needs to take a page from how the Roman's might have dealt with Carthage in the 2nd century b.c. Raze Gaza, and salt it. That would make for a nice buffer for 100's of years.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 03:32:53 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 03:35:42 pm
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OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 16m The USS Carney was likely attempting to Aid the Bahamas-Flagged Commercial Vessel which was Struck by a Missile launched by the Houthis earlier today when it was Attacked.
Persian Gulf disruption is a major escalation that the goat f-ing Muzzies might think twice before initiating......
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 35m Inaction has led to what has occurred today in the Red Sea.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 04:44:29 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 1h Cleared for publication: IDF launches ground operations in southern Gaza, north of Khan Younis; armored forces deployed, striking Hamas targets; more troops will be mobilized to the area soon. via @Doron_Kadosh
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 04:45:29 pm
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Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2023, 07:21:09 pm
MAZE @mazemoore In February of 2021, just a few weeks in office, President Biden removed the terrorist designation for the Iranian backed Houthis. He then had a press conference declaring that "America is back. Diplomacy is back." They just attacked us in the Red Sea. 12:33 PM · Dec 3, 2023
Adam Milstein @AdamMilstein Idiot Houthis! Iran's Houthi proxies in Yemen wanted to target an Israeli ship, but mistakenly hit a British vessel with no connection to Israel. Serious damage reported in missile strike 2:16 PM · Dec 3, 2023
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Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2023, 07:46:31 pm
Sarah Fields @SarahisCensored Hamas took over 240 hostages during the October 7th attack. So far, only two US citizens have been released. It is believed that there are still around 10 US Citizens being held captive. One of the freed US citizens was four-year-old Abigail Mor Edan. Her aunt is Elizabeth Hirsch Naftali. Elizabeth purchased one of Hunter Biden’s paintings for $890,000, has donated $200,000 to the DNC and has visited the Whitehouse over a dozen times in the last 18 months. Joe Biden also appointed her to the Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad. 4:49 AM · Dec 3, 2023
Is this true? I had heard Naftali was a Biden supporter, but this is ridiculous.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2023, 08:08:55 pm
Where's Grampy Poopypants?
Collin Rugg @CollinRugg BREAKING: An American warship and multiple commercial ships are under attack in the Red Sea according to the Pentagon. The warship is reportedly the USS Carney. “We’re aware of reports regarding attacks on the USS Carney and commercial vessels in the Red Sea and will provide information as it becomes available,” the Pentagon said. The British military made a statement earlier, presumably about the same incident saying there was a drone attack and explosions in the Red Sea. 11:16 AM · Dec 3, 2023
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 08:12:42 pm
25 minutes ago Hostage mom was separated from toddler for 10 days: father By Olivia Land
Sharon Konio – who was released by Hamas along with her twin daughters, Yuly and Emma – spent the first days in captivity without knowing where Yuly was, her father, Ramos Aloni told Haaretz.
Sharon, her husband David, and the three-year-old girls were kidnapped from Kibbutz Nir Oz on Oct. 7, Aloni explained.
The family of four was together until “[the attackers] grabbed Yuly from her hands,” he continued.
Sharon did not see Yuly for 10 days – and was not even sure if she was alive.
At the end of the first 10 days, Sharon, DAvid and Emma were moved to a different hiding place, Aloni said.
"Sharon says that after a few hours, she hears the crying of a baby, and she tells her husband David, 'This is Yuly's cry,'" he recounted.
About 30 minutes later, a Gazan woman opened the door to their hiding place and brought Yuly to them.
"Since then, they have been together, but for ten days, [Sharon] did not know what was happening with the baby,” Aloni emphasized.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 08:13:25 pm
31 minutes ago IDF to update Gaza Strip war plans in light of US demands for reduced civilian deaths By Olivia Land
The Israel Defense Forces “updated” and “made amendments” to its expanded operations in the southern Gaza Strip following US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken’s visit last week, a diplomatic official told Channel 12 news.
During his visit Thursday, Blinken said that Israel must reduce civilian deaths in Gaza by designating multiple safe zones and avoiding targeting “life-critical infrastructure” such as hospitals, power stations and water treatment plants, the Times of Israel explained.
“We did not ignore the American points, and this will become clear in the coming few days,” the official told the TV outlet.
Israel also decided to allow humanitarian aid to continue entering Gaza at the same levels as during the weeklong cease-fire with Hamas, the report noted.
In his recent phone conversation with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, US President Biden supposedly demanded “a kind of condition: In order to receive continued American support for the achievement of the war goals, Israel must prove that all its plans take the civilian population into consideration, that it reduces to a minimum the evacuation of civilians from their homes, and that it works to provide more and more safe areas for non-combatants,” the diplomatic official added.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 08:45:21 pm
Jayapal on Sexual Violence Against Israeli Women: We Don’t Want ‘Hierarchies of Oppression’
Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the sexual violence Hamas terrorists have used against Israeli women should not be turned into “hierarchies of oppressions.”
Pam Key 3 Dec 2023
Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the sexual violence Hamas terrorists have used against Israeli women should not be turned into “hierarchies of oppressions.”
Anchor Dana Bash said, “I want to ask you about sexual violence, and it’s kind of remarkable that this issue hasn’t gotten enough attention globally—widespread use of rape, brutal rape, sexual violence against Israeli women by Hamas. I’ve seen a lot of progressive women. Generally speaking, they’re quick to defend women’s rights and to speak out against using rape as a woman of war but downright silent on what we saw on October 7th and what might be happening inside Gaza right now to these hostages. Why is that?”
Jayapal said, “I don’t know if that’s true. We always talk about the impact of war on women in particular. In fact, I remember 20 years ago, I did a petition around the war in Iraq.”
Bash said, “Have you talked about it since October 7th?”
Jayapal said, “Absolutely. And I’ve condemned what Hamas has done.”
Bash said, “Specifically against women?”
Jayapal said, “Absolutely, the rape, of course. But I think we have to remember Israel is a democracy. That is why they’re a strong ally of ours. And if they do not comply with international humanitarian law, they are bringing themselves to a place that makes it much more difficult strategically for them to be able to build allies to keep public opinion with them, and morally, we cannot say that one war crime deserves another. That is not what international humanitarian law says.”
Bash said, “With respect, I was just asking about the women, and you turned it back to Israel. I’m asking you about Hamas.”
more https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/12/03/jayapal-on-sexual-violence-against-israeli-women-we-dont-want-hierarchies-of-oppression/
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Post by: libertybele on December 03, 2023, 09:34:12 pm
Jayapal on Sexual Violence Against Israeli Women: We Don’t Want ‘Hierarchies of Oppression’
Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the sexual violence Hamas terrorists have used against Israeli women should not be turned into “hierarchies of oppressions.”
Pam Key 3 Dec 2023
Representative Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the sexual violence Hamas terrorists have used against Israeli women should not be turned into “hierarchies of oppressions.”
Anchor Dana Bash said, “I want to ask you about sexual violence, and it’s kind of remarkable that this issue hasn’t gotten enough attention globally—widespread use of rape, brutal rape, sexual violence against Israeli women by Hamas. I’ve seen a lot of progressive women. Generally speaking, they’re quick to defend women’s rights and to speak out against using rape as a woman of war but downright silent on what we saw on October 7th and what might be happening inside Gaza right now to these hostages. Why is that?”
Jayapal said, “I don’t know if that’s true. We always talk about the impact of war on women in particular. In fact, I remember 20 years ago, I did a petition around the war in Iraq.”
Bash said, “Have you talked about it since October 7th?”
Jayapal said, “Absolutely. And I’ve condemned what Hamas has done.”
Bash said, “Specifically against women?”
Jayapal said, “Absolutely, the rape, of course. But I think we have to remember Israel is a democracy. That is why they’re a strong ally of ours. And if they do not comply with international humanitarian law, they are bringing themselves to a place that makes it much more difficult strategically for them to be able to build allies to keep public opinion with them, and morally, we cannot say that one war crime deserves another. That is not what international humanitarian law says.”
Bash said, “With respect, I was just asking about the women, and you turned it back to Israel. I’m asking you about Hamas.”
more https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/12/03/jayapal-on-sexual-violence-against-israeli-women-we-dont-want-hierarchies-of-oppression/
Why is it so difficult for some to acknowledge the violence, sexual violence, brutal violence and horrific terror that Hamas is using???
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Post by: Hoodat on December 03, 2023, 09:55:40 pm
"I would be much more aggressive," Panetta said. "I want to go after those who are firing missiles at our troops and make sure they understand that when they fire a missile--they are going to die."
Panetta is correct.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mountaineer on December 03, 2023, 10:24:40 pm
David M Friedman @DavidM_Friedman I supported the “humanitarian pause” of last week because the return of hostages is so important. It was the right thing to do. But we’ve learned something from this episode. When the pause ended, Hamas responded with a massive barrage of rockets that it only could have launched by commandeering much of the fuel that entered the Strip for “humanitarian” purposes. And undoubtedly it also used the pause to build more rockets. And who knows how many “booby traps” Hamas has set during this period. A “humanitarian” pause is justified to recover hostages but the pause is not fully humanitarian, and it comes at a significant humanitarian toll to Israel. 12:36 PM · Dec 3, 2023
I hate to say, "Duh," but ...
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Post by: 240B on December 03, 2023, 10:31:36 pm
"I would be much more aggressive," Panetta said. "I want to go after those who are firing missiles at our troops and make sure they understand that when they fire a missile--they are going to die."
This type of attitude does not exist in the Biden administration. In fact, a percentage of the Biden admin is on the side of the Muslims, against America and Israel.
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Post by: Hoodat on December 03, 2023, 10:33:37 pm
Sarah Fields @SarahisCensored Hamas took over 240 hostages during the October 7th attack. So far, only two US citizens have been released. It is believed that there are still around 10 US Citizens being held captive. One of the freed US citizens was four-year-old Abigail Mor Edan. Her aunt is Elizabeth Hirsch Naftali. Elizabeth purchased one of Hunter Biden’s paintings for $890,000, has donated $200,000 to the DNC and has visited the Whitehouse over a dozen times in the last 18 months. Joe Biden also appointed her to the Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad. 4:49 AM · Dec 3, 2023
Is this true? I had heard Naftali was a Biden supporter, but this is ridiculous.
Unfrigginbelievable. Corruption on top of corruption. Pay the Biden's $900k, and you can get your niece back.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: libertybele on December 03, 2023, 10:36:29 pm
"I would be much more aggressive," Panetta said. "I want to go after those who are firing missiles at our troops and make sure they understand that when they fire a missile--they are going to die."
This type of attitude does not exist in the Biden administration. In fact, a percentage of the Biden admin is on the side of the Muslims, against America and Israel.
Agreed. A very large portion of the Brandon administration is anti-Christian, anti-American and full of 'wokeness'.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 03, 2023, 10:36:49 pm
David M Friedman @DavidM_Friedman I supported the “humanitarian pause” of last week because the return of hostages is so important. It was the right thing to do. But we’ve learned something from this episode. When the pause ended, Hamas responded with a massive barrage of rockets that it only could have launched by commandeering much of the fuel that entered the Strip for “humanitarian” purposes. And undoubtedly it also used the pause to build more rockets. And who knows how many “booby traps” Hamas has set during this period. A “humanitarian” pause is justified to recover hostages but the pause is not fully humanitarian, and it comes at a significant humanitarian toll to Israel. 12:36 PM · Dec 3, 2023
I hate to say, "Duh," but ...
In other words, Conservatives got it right and you got it wrong. Again. And more Israelis are now going to die because your wrong decision got implemented.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 03, 2023, 10:55:29 pm
"This is a final notice. You are all targets. You have two options: Surrender and lay down your weapons, or face a fate similar to that faced by Wissam Farhat," Adraee says, referring to the Shejaiya battalion commander who was killed in an Israeli airstrike yesterday.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 03, 2023, 11:07:56 pm
How Hamas Makes Rockets against Israel | Qassam AiTelly 10/18/2023
Disclaimer: This content is intended solely for educational and entertainment purposes, and it does not depict the actual process of rocket production.
How did they manage to create a rocket at home?
First of all they use some common household ingredients, such as sugar and potassium nitrate, which can be easily obtained as a fertilizer.
Then they Start by melting the sugar, mix in the fertilizer, and pour the resulting mixture into a mold to form a properly-sized propellant slug. This propellant is subsequently placed into a Round Tube, which serves as the rocket's body, typically made from locally available water pipes.
You might wonder why sugar is included in the mix.
Sugar contains a substantial amount of energy, but it releases this energy slowly when it burns, and The fertilizer serves as an oxidizing agent, supplying oxygen.
This allows for a much quicker release of energy. When the right proportions are used, it burns fast enough to propel a rocket, yet not so quickly as to cause an explosion.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 11:22:22 pm
32 minutes ago Horrific new stories of Hamas attacks in Israel surface, including rape of woman who screamed to be killed By Ronny Reyes
A “beautiful woman with the face of an angel’’ was raped by eight to 10 Hamas terrorists in Israel on Oct. 7, while another tragic victim was beheaded with a shovel trying to defend herself, a stricken survivor says.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/2023-palestinian-militants-begun-war-57980045.jpg?resize=2048,1365&quality=90&strip=all) Survivors have said Hamas raped, killed and kidnapped many women at the Nova music festival.AFP via
Yoni Saadon, a 39-year-old father of four, told the UK’s Sunday Times that he is still haunted by the horrific scenes he witnessed at the Nova Music festival, when the Palestinian fiends slaughtered at least 364 festival-goers, including the gang-raped woman, who begged to be killed.
“I will never forget her face,” he said. “Every night I wake to it and apologise to her, saying. ‘I’m sorry.’ “
Saadon said he eventually joined others who had fled the site and hid in trees and bushes.
That’s when he witnessed two more Hamas gunmen attack another young woman who was fighting back from being stripped, he said.
“They threw her to the ground, and one of the terrorists took a shovel and beheaded her,” Saadon told the UK outlet. “And her head rolled along the ground. I see that head, too.”
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/03/news/horrific-new-stories-of-hamas-rapes-in-israel-surface-including-attack-on-woman-with-face-of-an-angel-who-screamed-to-be-killed/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 11:25:08 pm
3 minutes ago
The US killed five militants in Iraq as they prepared to launch a drone attack on American forces there, officials said.
The deadly air-strike attack by the US was a “self-defense strike on an imminent threat” near the northern city of Kirkuk, Reuters reported, citing a trio of Iraqi security forces.
The militants were killed as they prepared rockets at a drone staging area, the sources said.
The Islamic Resistance group in Iraq, which represents several groups tied to Tehran, confirmed the deaths -- and vowed to retaliate against the US.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 11:36:30 pm
Report: Israel Penetrates into Southern Gaza, Surprising Hamas
Reports on social media suggested that Israel had cut begun to cut a path across the southern Gaza Strip, entering from the east and progressing toward the Mediterranean coast, effectively dividing Gaza into three smaller sections — north, central and south.
The U.S. had openly opposed an Israeli invasion of the southern Gaza Strip, saying that Israel had to account for civilians first. Whether Israel defied the U.S, or the U.S. participated in the ruse, Hamas does not appear to have expected the southern push.
Israel also released a map to help civilians avoid fighting, with different areas of the Gaza Strip numbered. The U.S. suggested that the map satisfied its concerns, though the administration has at times offered conflicting signals about Israeli tactics.
Reports on social media suggested that Israel had cut begun to cut a path across the southern Gaza Strip, entering from the east and progressing toward the Mediterranean coast, effectively dividing Gaza into three smaller sections — north, central and south.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/03/report-israel-penetrates-into-southern-gaza-surprising-hamas/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 11:43:45 pm
Israel-Hamas war: U.S. military kills 'several' Iranian proxy fighters in northern Iraq
A U.S. official told Fox News that American forces killed "several" Iranian proxy fighters in northern Iraq near Erbil on Sunday.
According to the official, the militants were observed preparing a drone or rocket attack believed to target U.S. forces. American forces carried out the strike before the weapons could be launched.
The official did not specify exactly how many fighters were killed. The attacks were not pre-planned.
U.S. forces have been attacked at least 75 times in the Middle East since October 17, amid the escalation of the Israel-Hamas war. The incidents have occurred in Iraq and Syria.
Fox News Digital's Liz Friden contributed to this report. Posted by Andrea Vacchiano
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 03, 2023, 11:49:39 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 2h IDF will attack 2 remaining Hamas strongholds in northern Gaza in next 24 hours; heavy fighting expected in Jabalia & Shujaiya, where Hamas deployed strongest battalions; army's 162nd & 36th divisions to lead the assaults. via @ynetalerts
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Post by: Hoodat on December 03, 2023, 11:50:08 pm
Israel-Hamas war: U.S. military kills 'several' Iranian proxy fighters in northern Iraq
A U.S. official told Fox News that American forces killed "several" Iranian proxy fighters in northern Iraq near Erbil on Sunday.
According to the official, the militants were observed preparing a drone or rocket attack believed to target U.S. forces. American forces carried out the strike before the weapons could be launched.
Whoever ordered that strike is now in deep doo doo with the Pentagon and White House.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on December 03, 2023, 11:54:18 pm
I can't argue with any of this pointing-up. The change in Western demographics is driving the changing political view on Israel and Palestine. Sometimes I get the feeling that Bibi considers this political shift to be fleeting and an outlier. IMO, he needs to pay closer attention to this because the shift is real.
And you missed my point, namely that the alleged shift is due, not to a change in the former populations' ethos, but in the makeup of those populations due to illegal immigration, importing with those illegals a different ethos, one that justifies in their mind the random stabbing of, driving vehicles over, and blowing up people who don't believe the same things they do, a people who are bent on conquest of the preexisting populations. Whether or not those preexisting populations recognize it or not this is an existential problem for them. They have allowed it to develop, even naively invited it, and will have to deal with it if they are to continue to exist. It is no time to tire of conflict.
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You may have missed my point, which is simply that people tire of war, especially the same one. We certainly did after 20 years in Afghanistan ---- and that war started with 3,000 dead American civilians from a sucker punch from terrorists who hated us. Tiring of war is natural; healthy even.
Then you would think the Muslims would tire of their 1400 year jihad, yet they persist. Europeans have been in longer wars than this, and when the very existence of your culture depends on it, it's time to push the shrinking violets aside and get on with what needs to be done. The blood and sacrifice of past generations can be squandered by a moment of cultural weakness.
This fatigue we have in America is offset only by the patriotism of those who would restore and continue the Republic,and is being generated by a consistent media assault by the enemies of the Republic. Twenty years is an eye blink in history, My ancestors fought the 100 years war.
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Israel has been at this war, in one form of another for 56 years ---- making it the longest six day war in world history. I want Bibi to read the room and actually see the exhaustion the world has from this. Israel should take its full and justfied retribution against Hamas --- and then end the Six Day War and find the courage to move past it.
Israel is responding to the aggressions of its neighbors. Maybe they should hang up their jihad. After all, 1400 years is a long time to wage war. Israel's response is what is necessary to maintain Israel's existence. If their enemies would quit attacking, they might be able to quit fighting. In the meantime, it is necessary, and IMHO, has been incredibly even handed.
But as you say, end it. Clear the West Bank and Gaza of Muslims, for starters. Wage a war of aggresssion and end the threat once and for all.
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IMO, Israel has had two shields. The first is the historic, unquestioning financial and armament support from the world's only economic and military superpower. This shield is fraying with alarming speed. The second shield is the legend of invincibility.. On October 7, Israel did not "lose a battle" --- On Oct 7, Israel lost the supremecy it projected to the world ---- especially to foes. On Oct 7, David became Goliath.
I disagree. Anyone, if attacked at the right time, by a well organized irregular force, will appear to have been weak. Hamas violated the peace. Hamas will pay the price. That does not mean Israel is a paper tiger, only that it was subjected to a surprise attack. The 'fat lady' isn't warming up in the wings yet, and when this is over, Israel will not be perceived as someone to mess with. [/quote] This is such a profound sea change that if Israel kills every Hamas terrorist, it will not change what the Middle East saw end that day: The legend of Israel. Israel is not the toughest kid on the block. Bibi needs a Plan B. [/quote]You could have said the same about the United States of America one month after Dec. 7, 1941. Time has proven differently. Oct 7 was just the beginning of hostilities in this instance, not the end, by any metric. You and the pundits who have affected your logic are trying to call the game in the first quarter.
Despite the quest for instantaneous gratification that afflicts our society, and the short attention spans adopted by those who swipe left or right, conflict is in human nature, the right to defend one's self, family, community, culture, and country so deeply ingrained in our human raison d'être, that Israel will continue its existential battle for as long as it is necessary, by whatever means necessary. We Americans could take lessons from that resolve, especially those who claim to be conservatives who are constantly compromising our heritage for a temporary peace.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 12:04:56 am
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 2h If this kind of Attack occurred at any other point, it would be an Act of War and would likely have resulted in the Total Destruction of the Houthi Organization in Yemen.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 12:08:28 am
U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) released a statement announcing that three international vessels in the Red Sea were attacked four times on Sunday.
During the attacks, the USS Carney shot down three drones linked to Yemeni Houthis.
"Today, there were four attacks against three separate commercial vessels operating in international waters in the southern Red Sea," the statement explained. "These three vessels are connected to 14 separate nations."
"The Arleigh-Burke Class destroyer USS CARNEY responded to the distress calls from the ships and provided assistance," the press release added.
On Sunday morning, the USS Carney first detected that Houthi ballistic missiles were headed towards Unity Explorer, a vessel owned and operated by the United Kingdom. The USS Carney shot down the Houthi unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) headed towards United Explorer and did not incur any damage or injuries to personnel.
After the first incident, the Unity Explorer was struck on Sunday afternoon by another UAV and sustained minor damage. The USS Carney destroyed another UAV that was headed towards the ship.
Two other vessels named Number 9 and Sophie II were struck by missiles that afternoon. The USS Carney was able to shoot down a UAV headed towards Sophie II.
"These attacks represent a direct threat to international commerce and maritime security. They have jeopardized the lives of international crews representing multiple countries around the world," CENTCOM added. "We also have every reason to believe that these attacks, while launched by the Houthis in Yemen, are fully enabled by Iran."
"The United States will consider all appropriate responses in full coordination with its international allies and partners," the press release concluded. Posted by Andrea Vacchiano
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 12:24:41 am
‘Hell on Earth’: Israel launches 10,000th airstrike in Gaza, 700 people reported killed in past 24 hours By Social Links for Ronny Reyes Published Dec. 3, 2023, 2:28 p.m. ET
Israel on Sunday unleashed its 10,000th airstrike on Gaza since the war began Oct. 7, with at least 700 Palestinians reportedly killed in the past 24 hours alone as the war heats up again post-cease-fire.
“Hell on Earth has returned to Gaza,” said Jens Laerke, a rep for the United Nations’ Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.
The Israel Defense Forces said that since Israel’s ground invasion into northern Gaza began in early October, it has launched 10,000 airstrikes at the Palestinian-controlled area, with the bombardments intensifying over the weekend after Israel and Hamas failed to reach a deal that would have seen all the female hostages kidnapped by the terrorist group freed.
Killed in a strike Sunday was a key Hamas commander who helped carry out the deadly raids on Israel in early October, Israeli officials said.
“Following IDF and [Israel Security Agency, or Shin Bet] intelligence, an IDF fighter jet struck and killed Haitham Khuwajari, the commander of Hamas’ Shati Battalion,” IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari told reporters on Sunday.
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/03/news/israel-launches-10000th-airstrike-in-gaza-700-people-reported-killed-in-past-24-hours/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 12:24:55 am
I think this guy may be mentally retarded. The 'pause' ended when Hamas attacked civilians at a bus stop. Then Hamas fired a massive rocket salvo into Tel Aviv. However he does in fact speak for the American Left. They all have no concept of history or even current events. The American Left routinely speaks from a position of extreme ignorance. He is a good example of that.
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Post by: berdie on December 04, 2023, 01:04:17 am
"I would be much more aggressive," Panetta said. "I want to go after those who are firing missiles at our troops and make sure they understand that when they fire a missile--they are going to die."
This type of attitude does not exist in the Biden administration. In fact, a percentage of the Biden admin is on the side of the Muslims, against America and Israel.
Panneta is right. If they attack us they are enemies.
And for the record, imho, Israel is not beat as suggested upthread. Unless I went to sleep last night and missed something the conflict is still going on. Much like the Ukraine, why should either country just say "Okey Dokey". These allegations disturb me. 9999hair out0000
As for the future of Israel...they are fighting for the future of their country and have been for many years. Why the hell should they change to accommodate invading forces? The Palis have had the opportunity to create their own state (with much cash infusion). They chose not to do so.
Myself, I still think there are a number of Palistians that don't want this. But there is no organization, fear of Hamas, etc. And thats too bad for them.
I am very worried about the Hamas support in this country. It makes my head spin.
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Post by: libertybele on December 04, 2023, 01:11:05 am
Panneta is right. If they attack us they are enemies.
And for the record, imho, Israel is not beat as suggested upthread. Unless I went to sleep last night and missed something the conflict is still going on. Much like the Ukraine, why should either country just say "Okey Dokey". These allegations disturb me. 9999hair out0000
As for the future of Israel...they are fighting for the future of their country and have been for many years. Why the hell should they change to accommodate invading forces? The Palis have had the opportunity to create their own state (with much cash infusion). They chose not to do so.
Myself, I still think there are a number of Palistians that don't want this. But there is no organization, fear of Hamas, etc. And thats too bad for them.
I am very worried about the Hamas support in this country. It makes my head spin.
A lot of Palestinians? Sorry I don't agree I don't think that the Palis have changed one bit since the Carter's love affair with Arafat, except to become more rabid in their hate for Israel, America, Jews, Christians or anyone else not of their correct moslem persuasion all courtesy of indoctrination and brainwashing almost from birth.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Hoodat on December 04, 2023, 02:26:00 am
Report: Israel Penetrates into Southern Gaza, Surprising Hamas
Reports on social media suggested that Israel had cut begun to cut a path across the southern Gaza Strip, entering from the east and progressing toward the Mediterranean coast, effectively dividing Gaza into three smaller sections — north, central and south.
The U.S. had openly opposed an Israeli invasion of the southern Gaza Strip, saying that Israel had to account for civilians first.
Bibi shows off his brilliance by doing the exact opposite of what Biden tells him. Hamas is in trouble.
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Post by: Hoodat on December 04, 2023, 02:41:11 am
Bibi shows off his brilliance by doing the exact opposite of what Biden tells him. Hamas is in trouble.
Definitely the preferred course of action. Biden, Blinken, Austin, various other Democrat nincompoops et al., are the last people Israel should listen to.
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Post by: 240B on December 04, 2023, 03:13:39 am
My worry is that the official position of the US government will one day turn against Israel. And G-d is very clear on what happens then.
This has already happened several times. Carter was very pro-PLO, to the point of being a sycophant James Baker openly anti-Israel although not pro-PLO Obama was openly hostile to Israel (behind the scenes because of Jewish support). Obama was and still is a servant of Iran There have been many powerful antisemitic, anti-Israel, U.S. politicians over the years. So far, they have been kept in check by a strong Jewish presence in America. However, I agree it is uncertain how much longer this will last.
This latest provocation will only cause Israel to become stronger and more independent. The entire world has learned by multiple terrible examples that America is by far NOT a trustworthy ally.
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 04, 2023, 03:28:37 am
My worry is that the official position of the US government will one day turn against Israel. And G-d is very clear on what happens then.
Don't doubt for a minute that if Israel felt an immediate existential threat...they would turn Teheran to glass.
As I would expect my own country to do. Die on my feet. Not on my knees.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 04, 2023, 11:59:26 am
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
Are the latest terror attacks around the world linked to what is happening in the Middle East?
'It's all the people who do not condemn, and legitimize the Oct. 7th terror attack who are joining the terrorist fight: some of them just demonstrating, and others committing terrorist attacks... There's a shift of the terror toward the Western world,' explains Frmr. IDF intelligence officer Raphaël Jerusalmy
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 04, 2023, 12:01:44 pm
Hamas raped men as well as women during October 7 attack: Investigators reveal how sex assault victims were tied up, stripped and mutilated as Israel launches its 'biggest ever criminal investigation' Advocacy group said sexual violence was perpetrated against both sexes By SUMMER GOODKIND and DAVID AVERRE
PUBLISHED: 03:06 EST, 4 December 2023 | UPDATED: 06:17 EST, 4 December 2023
Israeli investigators probing the fallout of the brutal October 7 attacks have found evidence that men as well as women suffered sexual violence and rape at the hands of Hamas and Islamic Jihad attackers, activists have claimed.
Yael Sherer, a spokeswoman for Israel's Survivors of Sexual Violence advocacy group, said there was physical evidence as well as eyewitness accounts of sexual violence perpetrated against both sexes amid the attacks.
There was sexual violence and rape in these communities in the south of Israel... we have a few living survivors - not a lot - of both genders. It didn't only happen to women, it happened to men as well,' Yael Sherer told BBC Radio 4.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 04, 2023, 12:02:40 pm
Ex-muslim Rebel News @Ex_muslimRebel
Throughout history, the cult of death worldwide has been successfully fought off and eradicated, even in the face of adversaries like the #Nazis. It's a stark reminder that Hamas ideology can indeed be defeated, following the proven formula of resilience demonstrated during World War I and II.
The idea that #Hamas and its ideology cannot be defeated is not just absurd; it's a reflection of a shameful surrender. Those promoting the ideology of Hamas have, by their actions, surrendered not only their lives but also betrayed the very foundation of values we cherish in free world civilization, submitting to the savagery of Hamas Nazis. Those endorsing this notion have chosen, perhaps unwittingly, to embrace a legacy of shame – a surrender that allows the perpetuation of atrocities.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 04, 2023, 12:12:40 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · ‘Our war is against Hamas - not against the people of Gaza’
WATCH: The IDF Spokesperson, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari's English statement last night
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Post by: catfish1957 on December 04, 2023, 01:33:14 pm
I bet it was an awful day for goats too
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 02:00:04 pm
Report: Hamas Interrogated Elderly Israeli Hostages About Past Military Service
Hamas interrogated Israeli civilian hostages, including the elderly, about their past military service, and that of their neighbors, using physical force to extract answers, according to former hostages interviewed by Israel’s Army Radio on Monday.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 02:02:21 pm
Doctor: Child Hostages Lost 10-15% of Body Weight; Had Rashes, Lice
The child hostages who were returned to Israel during the seven-day truce lost 10-15% of their body weight and had lice and rashes, among other problems, according to Dr. Yael Mozer-Glassberg, who treated them at Schneider Children’s Medical Center.
Mozer-Glassberg, who addressed journalists in a press conference on Monday, said that reports that children had returned in good condition were untrue, but that the true condition of the patients had not been divulged, partly for reasons of privacy.
The Times of Israel reported:
Mozer-Glassberg confirms that the 26 former hostages her hospital received — 19 of them children — had lost 10-15 percent of their body weight. As a result of the severely limited amount of food the hostages were given in Gaza, some have exhibited odd eating habits when reintroduced to proper nutrition.
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“They returned with extremely low hygiene. I have never seen hygiene this bad,” Mozer-Glassberg says. “Their headlice was the worst I have ever seen. Even with five or six treatments, the lice were not gone.”
In addition, the hostages came home with infected wounds that had not been properly cared for while in captivity.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/04/doctor-child-hostages-lost-10-15-of-body-weight-had-rashes-lice/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 02:04:17 pm
Netanyahu Should be Tried as a War Criminal, Says NATO State Leader Erdogan
Turkish President Erdogan doubled down accusing Israel of war crimes, saying Netanyahu should be tried as a war criminal.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 02:10:46 pm
Pramila Jayapal Equivocates on Hamas Rapes: ‘We Have to Be Balanced’
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) is taking worldwide criticism after appearing to deflect criticism of rape and sexual violence by Palestinian Hamas terrorists against Israeli women in its October 7 terror attack, saying Israeli misdeeds had to be considered.
Pramila Jayapal Equivocates on Hamas Rapes: ‘We Have to Be Balanced’
Aviva Klompas @AvivaKlompas Here's a member of Congress telling us that since Israel isn't well liked, the Israeli women who were raped by Hamas don't deserve the support of progressives. ... https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1731389718498009095
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 02:19:34 pm
US intel not aware of Hamas’ plan for Oct. 7 attack on Israel, John Kirby says By Social Links for Ryan King Published Dec. 3, 2023, 12:16 p.m. ET
The US would do the “same thing’’ Israel did if it suffered an attack like the Oct. 7 assault, a top Biden administration official said Sunday — while admitting US intelligence was unaware of a battle plan from Hamas that Israel obtained over a year before the attack.
“[Israeli officials] have every right and responsibility to go after the terrorist group that perpetrated these attacks and planet and oh, by the way, has made clear they’re going to do it again and do more,” National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told “Fox News Sunday.”
“We would do the same thing — any nation would,” Kirby said.
Kirby also referred to the recent reported revelation about Israeli security failures in the run-up to the bloody terrorist rampage.
More than a year before the deadly attack, Israeli officials obtained a roughly 40-page blueprint outlining Hamas’ battle plan but dismissed it as unachievable for the terror group, the New York Times reported last week.
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/03/news/us-intel-not-aware-of-hamas-plan-for-oct-7-attack-on-israel-john-kirby-says/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 02:40:37 pm
Mossad team recalled from Qatar talks as Israel, Hamas not close to another cease-fire, Yingst says
Fox News foreign correspondent Trey Yingst reported Monday that Israel and Hamas are not close to reaching another cease-fire deal.
Yingst, citing regional sources that are directly familiar with the negotiations, said on “Fox & Friends” that a team from Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency was in Doha, Qatar on Saturday as the Qataris were trying to get another agreement together between the two sides.
But that team was recalled back to Israel by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the director of Mossad after talks collapsed, Yingst said.
He noted that one source stressed that just because Israeli are not in Doha doesn’t mean talks can’t continue, but Hamas over the weekend said it is unwilling to exchange further hostages until the war inside Gaza ends – something Israel’s military has been vowing to continue until Hamas is eliminated. Posted by Greg Norman
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 04:57:52 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 05:07:42 pm
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Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts #BREAKING: A rocket most likely fired by Hamas militants during their Oct. 7 attack on Israel struck an Israeli military base where, experts say, many of the country’s nuclear-capable missiles are based. (NYT) 10:56 AM · Dec 4, 2023 · 1,283 Views
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Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 9m While the missiles themselves weren’t hit, the rocket’s impact, at the Sdot Micha base in central Israel, sparked a fire that approached missile storage facilities and other sensitive weaponry. (NYT)
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Post by: 240B on December 04, 2023, 08:05:04 pm
"More than a year before the deadly attack, Israeli officials obtained a roughly 40-page blueprint outlining Hamas’ battle plan but dismissed it as unachievable for the terror group, the New York Times reported last week."
The plan Israel received is in fact, unachievable. The original plan of Hamas is a fantasy. They were planning a real full invasion of all of Israel. Which is silly. They were supposed to "take and hold" land and bases in the south while gradually fighting north toward Tel Aviv, like a real war and a real invasion.
This is why Israel dismissed the plan. Because it was like a comic book dream of Hamas terrorists which could never succeed. The attack on Oct 7 was intended to be the start of the full occupation of Israel. It failed when Hamas was driven back to Gaza in only a couple of days. Hamas achieved less than 5% of their total battle plan. In terrorist terms, Oct 7 was successful. In military terms, it was a complete utter failure compared to what their goals were.
The Hamas plan was so outlandish Israel did not take it seriously. In hindsight this was a mistake. Because even the 5% of the plan Hamas accomplished for a single day was devastating.
I still cannot believe the Israeli government disarmed its citizens. I still cannot believe Israel did not provide armed security at the festival like every other country does. Had those people been armed it would have been a completely different story. Disarming Israel was beyond 'a mistake'. It was STUPID!, dangerous, and childishly naïve to the point of being ridiculous.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 04, 2023, 08:38:13 pm
Pramila Jayapal Equivocates on Hamas Rapes: ‘We Have to Be Balanced’
Rep. Mike Waltz @michaelgwaltz Note to the Left: Rape is not “resistance”. Period. 3:21 PM · Dec 4, 2023
Rebeccah Heinrichs @RLHeinrichs One of the points I made on @OutnumberedFNC today: The downplaying of rape as a feature of Hamas’s terror campaign fits w/ the Left’s idea that fighting the “oppressor” permits/demands the worst brutality and violence 3:26 PM · Dec 4, 2023
Rebeccah Heinrichs @RLHeinrichs Ppl of sound judgment: burning down businesses is bad Squad left: it’s resistance vs oppression so no POSJ: but they’re hurting innocent people SL: they aren’t innocent. They are perpetuating a system of oppression Same logic w/ Hamas and violence against Jewish women. 3:32 PM · Dec 4, 2023
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Post by: Smokin Joe on December 04, 2023, 08:54:16 pm
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Post by: Fishrrman on December 04, 2023, 10:00:08 pm
From reply 589 above: "Mossad team recalled from Qatar talks as Israel, hamas not close to another cease-fire, Yingst says"
Hmmmm... Seems to me the job of Mossad ought not to be "negotiating" with hamas, but rather to find and to kill as many of the top leaders as it can.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 11:02:08 pm
Report: One-third of Palestinian Deaths in Gaza are Hamas Terrorists
One-third of the reported Palestinians deaths in Gaza — some 5,000 out of about 15,000 killed — are Hamas terrorists, according to leaks Monday from an off-the-record briefing by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) for foreign journalists.
According to the Times of Israel, as in previous conflicts, the overall figure of deaths given by the Hamas-run Gaza ministry of health is fairly accurate, but also misleading, since Hamas does not distinguish between civilian and terrorist deaths.
The Times of Israel reported: “An unnamed IDF official cited by AP says that at least 15,000 Palestinians in Gaza have died since the outbreak of the war on October 7. The army says it estimates more than 5,000 of the Gaza deaths to be Hamas terrorists.”
The ratio of two civilian non-combatants killed to one combatant killed, if accurate, would be one of the lowest in recorded history. NATO forces operating in Afghanistan against the Taliban improved their targeting and rules of engagement such that they killed three or four non-combatants for each terrorist combatant, which was considered a historic low against terrorists that hide among civilian populations and violate the laws of armed conflict.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/04/report-one-third-of-palestinian-deaths-in-gaza-are-hamas-terrorists/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 04, 2023, 11:08:06 pm
Amit Soussana, 40, who was recently freed from captivity in Gaza, struggled against seven Hamas terrorists as she was dragged away from Israel on October 7, according to newly-released surveillance footage.
The footage, which Soussana agreed to allow Israel’s Channel 12 to air, shows Soussana, an attorney, fighting her captors as she is taken from Kfar Aza, one of the worst-hit communities in the October 7 terror attack.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 04, 2023, 11:11:57 pm
After raping them, Palestinian terrorists cut the breasts off women while they were still alive and convulsing in pain. Palestinian terrorists barbarically and systemically hacked off women’s breasts and men’s genitalia. https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1731790662129926486 https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1731794117074596075
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Post by: berdie on December 04, 2023, 11:37:41 pm
A lot of Palestinians? Sorry I don't agree I don't think that the Palis have changed one bit since the Carter's love affair with Arafat, except to become more rabid in their hate for Israel, America, Jews, Christians or anyone else not of their correct moslem persuasion all courtesy of indoctrination and brainwashing almost from birth.
I don't disagree that the hatred exists, and most probably always will.
But at some point self preservation should kick in and the "good" Palis should shun these actions and try to build a decent life for themselves. I'm not such an optimist that I think hate will ever change. But I am optimistic enough to think that you can have a neighboring country or ethnicity that you can still hate but exist with...in order to have a better life for yourself.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 12:21:15 am
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 17m #BREAKING: Initial reports of at least 4 large explosions in Sanaa, Yemen
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 12:27:14 am
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Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 1h Israel has assembled a system of large pumps it could use to flood Hamas’s vast network of tunnels under the Gaza Strip with seawater, a tactic that could destroy the tunnels and drive the fighters from their underground refuge but also threaten Gaza’s water supply. (WSJ)
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Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 1h "The IDF finished assembling large seawater pumps roughly one mile north of the Shati refugee camp the middle of last month. Each of at least five pumps can draw water from the Sea and move 1,000's of cubic meters of water/hour into the tunnels, flooding them within weeks."
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 12:27:50 am
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 12:28:34 am
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post · 1m Israeli fighter jets struck Hezbollah infrastructure in Lebanon in response to the launches towards the territory of Israel.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 12:29:59 am
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 12:34:19 am
TOI ALERTS @TOIAlerts · 2h Live update: IDF officials: 15,000 likely killed in Gaza since start of war, 5,000 of them are Hamas http://dlvr.it/Szj2h3
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 12:38:49 am
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OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 20m · A Military Operation appears to be underway against Houthi Positions in and around the Yemeni Capital City of Sanaa, as Airstrikes can be seen and heard being conducted by Unknown Aircraft.
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OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 20m The Video which was in the Initial Post was from the Gaza Strip not Yemen like was first believed, the Reason for the Explosions in Sanaa is still Unknown.
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OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 32m Several Massive Explosions just now in the City of Sanaa, Yemen.
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OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 43m Initial Reports of Explosions and Aircraft heard over the Yemeni Capital of Sanaa.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on December 05, 2023, 02:17:03 am
From reply 589 above: "Mossad team recalled from Qatar talks as Israel, hamas not close to another cease-fire, Yingst says"
Hmmmm... Seems to me the job of Mossad ought not to be "negotiating" with hamas, but rather to find and to kill as many of the top leaders as it can.
Seems likely they were doing both, getting intel on the honchos.
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Post by: jafo2010 on December 05, 2023, 06:58:54 am
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Berdie...
But at some point self preservation should kick in and the "good" Palis should shun these actions and try to build a decent life for themselves. I'm not such an optimist that I think hate will ever change. But I am optimistic enough to think that you can have a neighboring country or ethnicity that you can still hate but exist with...in order to have a better life for yourself.
You are assuming some level of rational thought with these Palestinians. They are incapable of rational thought. For 100 years they have been saying no to the Balfour two state solution. They subscribe only to the elimination of Israel and the death of all Jews. Anyone not subscribing to that thought is killed in their society as a traitor.
When a rabid group of people are so poisoned, there is only one solution. Total annihilation. TOTAL. The hell with concern with collateral damage. There is no such thing.
To use the words of Admiral William Halsey, 'in a nation like Japan, where the civilian population support the military as they do, the only good Jap civilian, is a Jap civilian that has been dead for six months or more.' Just substitute the word Jap with the word Palestinian. Again, there is no such thing as collateral damage. Just genocidal maniacal enemies, taught from birth to kill all Jews.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 05, 2023, 01:36:15 pm
White House now sounds just like Hamas in Gaza
WND 12/4/2023
'We believe Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians'
Amid the ongoing war between the Islamic terrorists of Hamas and the Middle East's primary democracy, Israel, Hamas and its supporters often have referenced the human cost to civilians in Gaza as Israel works to wipe out the terrorists.
It's not surprising there are civilian casualties there, given that Hamas' terrorists frequently locate their military bases at or near – even underneath – hospitals, schools and historic sites, seeking to use them as shields.
The Joe Biden White House verbally has continued its commitment to Israel's right to defend itself and fight terrorism.
But the actual words have taken on a new meaning, as they reprise the messaging that has been coming from Hamas itself.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 02:03:42 pm
Report: Hamas Tranquilized Freed Hostages to Make Them Seem Happy
Relatives of freed Israeli hostages, and an official from Israel’s health ministry, told a parliamentary committee in the Knesset on Tuesday that Hamas drugged the hostages with tranquilizer pills before their release to make them seem happy and relaxed.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 02:41:47 pm
State Dept: Hamas refuses to release women hostages to prevent sharing horrors of captivity Israel says 18 female hostages remain in Gaza, most of whom were taken from a music festival By Anders Hagstrom Fox News Published December 5, 2023 8:40am EST
The State Department says the U.S. suspects one reason Hamas is refusing to release its remaining female hostages is to prevent them from revealing the horrors they experienced in captivity.
Israeli officials believe Hamas still has roughly 18 women in custody, most of whom were kidnapped from an Oct. 7 music festival near the Gaza border, according to Axios. State Department spokesman Matthew Miller says that Hamas' refusal to release the women led to the collapse of the cease-fire on Friday.
"It seems that one of the reasons they don't want to turn women over that they've been holding hostage — and the reason this pause fell apart — is that they don't want these women to be able to talk about what happened to them during their time in custody," Miller said during a Monday press briefing.
The statement comes amid heightened tensions regarding Hamas' brutal treatment of women during and after its Oct. 7 massacre. Israel has documented extensive instances of rape and sexual assault and has called on the United Nations to take action.
more https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-dept-hamas-refuses-release-women-hostages-prevent-sharing-horrors-captivity
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Post by: Elderberry on December 05, 2023, 03:07:52 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
Khan Yunis is ‘one of the most important tasks of this war’ but ‘The symbolic targets were already achieved in Gaza City’
Says @GrishaConsult, former head of the Civilian Department of @cogatonline explains the differences between two of the largest cities in the Gaza strip
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Post by: Elderberry on December 05, 2023, 03:14:06 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com·
IDF enters Hamas strongholds: Thousands of troops operating deep in Khan Younis; hundreds of clashes & attacks on terrorists reported in fiercest battles of war; Israeli forces also move into Jabalia & Shujaiya in northern Gaza; army expects weeks of fighting. via @ynetalerts
Quote Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · IDF estimates: Hamas terror chiefs will flee to Rafah as Israeli forces move into Khan Younis; army taking steps to cut down escape routes, report says. via @MaarivOnline
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Post by: Elderberry on December 05, 2023, 03:15:34 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 2m 🚨 Sirens sound in northern Israel, alerting of incoming rockets
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 04:31:59 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 4m One of the 4 Lebanese Soldiers has now Died from the Wounds he sustained earlier today when his Position in Southern Lebanon was Fired-Upon by Israeli Tanks who Mistook them for Hezbollah Terrorists.
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 3h At least 4 Soldiers of the Lebanese Army have reportedly been Injured, 1 Severely, after an Israeli Tank is claimed to have Mistakenly Struck their Position in Southern Lebanon near the Town of Al-Adissa.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 04:33:44 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 04:42:01 pm
IDF chief says Khan Younis surrounded, announcing new phase of Gaza invasion By Emanuel Fabian Today, 6:04 pm
IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi says the military is encircling southern Gaza’s Khan Younis as it launches the third stage of its ground offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip.
In a press conference, Halevi also says the military knew in advance that Hezbollah would resume its attacks on Israel’s north following the weeklong truce with Hamas.
“After 60 days since the beginning of the war, our forces are surrounding the Khan Younis area in southern Gaza. At the same time, we are working to deepen the achievement in the northern part of the Strip. Anyone who thought that the IDF would not know how to resume the fighting after the truce was mistaken. Hamas is feeling this strongly,” Halevi says.
“In the last few days, many operatives, including senior commanders, were eliminated,” he says.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 04:46:37 pm
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post · 1h The State Department is expected as soon as Tuesday to impose sanctions on several dozen Israeli settlers involved in attacks against Palestinians, banning them from travel to the US.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 05, 2023, 06:16:45 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF
The IDF has been operating in Hamas strongholds in the areas of Jabaliya, Shuja'iyya and Khan Yunis, destroying terrorist infrastructure and eliminating Hamas terrorists.
In addition, our forces gained control of central Hamas positions in Jabaliya over the past day, as well as located weapons and terrorist infrastructure, some of which was found in civilian buildings, including a school.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 05, 2023, 06:27:26 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN ·
'It feels like feminist ideology and all the ideology we have around survivors just stops at the Israeli border'
Tel Aviv Sexual Assault Crisis Center director Miriam Schler breaks down the 'systematic mechanism' of rape carried out by #Hamas on #Oct7 and the worlds silence
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 06:44:28 pm
Hamas carried how-to cheat sheets for Oct. 7 attack — and maps of military base that suggest help from spies: Israel By Social Links for Ronny Reyes Published Dec. 5, 2023, 1:20 p.m. ET
Hamas terrorists were given how-to cheat sheets for their Oct. 7 attack in Israel, including Arabic phrases translated into Hebrew for “I will kill you’’ — and excruciatingly detailed maps of a military base that suggested help from spies.
Documents seized from the terror group indicate the sneak assault had been in the making for years, Israel said Monday.
In the nearly two months since the war began, Israeli military officials have collected troves of documents from the terrorists in Gaza that revealed they carried a thorough map of an Israeli military base, as well as hostage-taking phrasebooks, into the surprise Oct. 7 attack, according to materials released by the Israel Defense Forces.
The documents and map of the military base were complex and included the location of Israeli troops, their weapons and roles at the site near the Gaza border fence.
The carefully hand-drawn map was far more detailed than what Israel thought Hamas was capable of producing and could only have been compiled through the use of “inside knowledge,” an Israeli intelligence source told the Guardian.
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/05/news/hamas-carried-how-to-cheat-sheets-for-oct-7-attack-and-maps-of-military-base-that-suggest-help-from-spies-israel/
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Post by: Gefn on December 05, 2023, 07:31:44 pm
(Trigger Warning)
Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears 5th December 2023, 12:15 EST
My only position is kill them all. You can't make peace with evil like that.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 05, 2023, 08:15:15 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'Where the hell are you?'
Israel's PM Netanyahu delivers a speech following a war cabinet meeting, addressing the silence from women's rights and human rights organizations following the sexual violence used by #Hamas on #October7
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'Where the hell are you?'
Israel's PM Netanyahu delivers a speech following a war cabinet meeting, addressing the silence from women's rights and human rights organizations following the sexual violence used by #Hamas on #October7
There is only so much horror humans can absorb before completely tuning out. You've made a solid case for war, Bibi. Save this question for after you've won it.
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Post by: libertybele on December 05, 2023, 08:52:36 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'Where the hell are you?'
Israel's PM Netanyahu delivers a speech following a war cabinet meeting, addressing the silence from women's rights and human rights organizations following the sexual violence used by #Hamas on #October7
I saw a news clip around lunch time addressing this silence. It is slowly being brought into the spotlight as it should be.
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Post by: libertybele on December 05, 2023, 09:05:23 pm
Savages. 8888crybaby
Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears
The BBC has seen and heard evidence of rape, sexual violence and mutilation of women during the 7 October Hamas attacks.
WARNING: CONTAINS EXTREMELY GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND RAPE
Several people involved in collecting and identifying the bodies of those killed in the attack told us they had seen multiple signs of sexual assault, including broken pelvises, bruises, cuts and tears, and that the victims ranged from children and teenagers to pensioners.
Video testimony of an eyewitness at the Nova music festival, shown to journalists by Israeli police, detailed the gang rape, mutilation and execution of one victim.
Videos of naked and bloodied women filmed by Hamas on the day of the attack, and photographs of bodies taken at the sites afterwards, suggest that women were sexually targeted by their attackers.
Few victims are thought to have survived to tell their own stories.
Their last moments are being pieced together from survivors, body-collectors, morgue staff and footage from the attack sites. Short presentational grey line
Police have privately shown journalists a single horrific testimony that they filmed of a woman who was at the Nova festival site during the attack.
She describes seeing Hamas fighters gang rape a woman and mutilate her, before the last of her attackers shot her in the head as he continued to rape her.
In the video, the woman known as Witness S mimes the attackers picking up and passing the victim from one to another.
"She was alive," the witness says. "She was bleeding from her back."
She goes on to detail how the men cut off parts of the victim's body during the assault.
"They sliced her breast and threw it on the street," she says. "They were playing with it."
The victim was passed to another man in uniform, she continues.
"He penetrated her, and shot her in the head before he finished. He didn't even pick up his pants; he shoots and ejaculates."
One man we spoke to from the festival site said he heard the "noises and screams of people being murdered, raped, decapitated".........
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Post by: jafo2010 on December 05, 2023, 10:07:06 pm
How much can the leadership of the USA betray Israel with the nonsense they are muttering. There should be no aid for Gaza, just death and destruction. The only solution to evil terror is total annihilation.
The USA did not think twice of fire bombing 60 Japanese cities, killing a supposed 100,000 mostly civilians in Tokyo in one day. The USA government is so hypocritical. They should shut their mouths, and support the only democracy in the Middle East, and help Israel eliminate every last Gazan.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 10:12:25 pm
Israel takes out half of Hamas’ battalion commanders — including one caught on eerie video in tunnel By Social Links for Ronny Reyes Published Dec. 5, 2023, 5:03 p.m. ET
Israel’s army has killed half of Hamas’ battalion commanders since the war in Gaza began — including one caught on eerie video roaming the terror group’s tunnel network before his death, Israel said Tuesday.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamim Netanyahu reaffirmed his nation’s goal to eradicate Hamas when speaking to reporters — and claimed that the terrorist group has already lost about a dozen leaders of its estimated 24 battalions fighting in Gaza, the Times of Israel reported.
“We are settling accounts with all those who kidnapped, participated, murdered, slaughtered, raped and burned the daughters of our people,” Netanyahu said. “We will not forget, and we will not forgive.”
The prime minister’s comments came as the Israel Defense Forces and Israel’s Shin Bet security agency revealed that at least five Hamas leaders were killed in a recent airstrike in northern Gaza.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/www-youtube-com-watch-v-73302278.jpg?quality=75&strip=all) Five Hamas leaders, including its north battalion commander and his deputy, were killed in a recent Israeli airstrike. IDF
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/05/news/israel-has-taken-out-half-of-hamas-battalion-commanders-netanyahu-says/
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Post by: berdie on December 05, 2023, 10:34:50 pm
There is only so much horror humans can absorb before completely tuning out. You've made a solid case for war, Bibi. Save this question for after you've won it.
That certainly worked well during WWII, didn't it?
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 05, 2023, 10:46:14 pm
At the same time, they refuse to ban MS13, PLO, Hamas, Hezbolla, Iranian soldiers, Pakistanies, Syrians, Turks, or any Muslim at all from anywhere in the world. Muslims cannot ever be banned no matter how much murder and terrorism they have been involved in. Muslims and Black people are Holy Saints according to the American Left. They are not to be constrained by White man rules, and they are 'above the law'.
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Post by: berdie on December 05, 2023, 11:14:08 pm
I know you are an intelligent person and know exactly what I meant.
Given the fact that this country has wide open borders, indoctrinated youth, a large contingency of Hamas supporters and people marching around in Hamas garb...it may not be the right time to "tune out" because of the atrocities committed there are just too hard to look at. Just sayin'.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 11:15:45 pm
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post · 24m The IDF announced tonight that they had accidentally hit a Lebanese army position after returning fire from Hezbollah, and apologized for the incident, according to Israeli media.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 11:18:33 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 11:21:07 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 1h 5 IDF divisions currently deployed in Gaza, fighting set to intensify in coming days; army releases thousands of reservists after 60 days of service, will replace them with fresher reserve troops. via @N12News
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Post by: GtHawk on December 05, 2023, 11:21:38 pm
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post · 24m The IDF announced tonight that they had accidentally hit a Lebanese army position after returning fire from Hezbollah, and apologized for the incident, according to Israeli media.
That's too bad but what do you expect when you give haven to rabid animals?
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 05, 2023, 11:23:20 pm
Given the fact that this country has wide open borders, indoctrinated youth, a large contingency of Hamas supporters and people marching around in Hamas garb...it may not be the right time to "tune out" because of the atrocities committed there are just too hard to look at. Just sayin'.
Unfortunately, it is simply human nature to tune out horror and fear when a saturation point is reached. Or worse --- to grow immune to it.
My opinion is only this: Israel has made an ironclad case for a war of annihilation against Hamas. Reintroducing video of atrocious assaults on Israeli women and demanding the world condemn this, too, is not needed at this time and could push to the point of backfiring. Focus should be on winning the war of annihilation, not diluted by still trying to prove it is justified.
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 06, 2023, 12:13:04 am
Seems with each day, I get a better understanding of the guy that said, "KILL THEM ALL! Let God sort it out". :smokin:
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Post by: Hoodat on December 06, 2023, 12:25:38 am
Gaza Report - اخبار غزة @gaza_report The dramatic scenes as local Gazans throw stones and withstand gunfire from Hamas agents in order to stop them from looting new humanitarian aid shipments that crossed in from Rafah.
So that humanitarian aid that Biden insisted on went exclusively towards re-supplying Hamas.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 12:35:05 am
You seem to have hit your limit on Day One. As for the rest of us, the truth need to be told.
I haven't hit anything near my limit. We've many friends living in Israel and we're helping them cope with the horror they are actually living through. I do fear they are reaching theirs, though --- along with others outside Israel.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 06, 2023, 02:22:29 am
Israel Defense Forces @IDF Our forces continue to operate against Hamas’ leadership in Gaza:
🔴IDF forces eliminated several Hamas commanders and operatives of the Northern Gaza Strip Brigade—the second largest brigade of Hamas—who were hiding in a tunnel located near the Indonesian Hospital during the strike.
Five commanders from those photographed in the photo were eliminated:
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Post by: Elderberry on December 06, 2023, 01:36:24 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'We speak of quite strong control of the northern part but not complete. Hamas still has abilities there... As the ground maneuver intensifies, Israel will gain more control,'
@jregevi24news discusses Hamas' capabilities as IDF expands its operation against it
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Post by: Elderberry on December 06, 2023, 01:42:57 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · While US officials think the #Gaza ground operation could end by January, could #Hamas be completely defeated in the next 7 weeks?
'Israel can, in 7 weeks, create a reality where Gaza is no longer a threat,' our @jregevi24news discusses the topic with @ArielLW_i24
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 01:57:09 pm
Report: At Least 10 Freed Israeli Hostages Were Sexually Assaulted by Hamas
At least ten of the freed Israeli hostages, male and female, were sexually assaulted by Hamas terrorists during their captivity, according to a doctor who treated some of them upon their release and who spoke to the Associated Press.
The Times of Israel reported Wednesday:
At least 10 of the Israeli civilians released by Hamas, both men and women, were sexually assaulted or abused while in captivity, the Associated Press reported Wednesday.
In a report detailing allegations of severe and widespread sexual abuse by Hamas terrorists during their October 7 onslaught and later against hostages, a doctor who treated some of the 110 hostages released from captivity told the AP that at least 10 men and women among those freed were sexually assaulted or abused.
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The doctor’s comments corroborated similar accounts shared at a meeting on Tuesday. The meeting, held between the Israeli war cabinet and a group comprising recently freed hostages and family members of those still held in Gaza, featured firsthand testimonies from some of the released captives. These individuals detailed their experiences of sexual abuse during their captivity, participants said.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/06/report-at-least-10-freed-israeli-hostages-were-sexually-assaulted-by-hamas/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 02:28:47 pm
How the Biden team is planning for a postwar Gaza Strip
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu may not like the ideas, but he also may not get a say.
By Nahal Toosi
12/04/2023 05:24 PM EST
Biden administration officials have spent weeks quietly drafting a multiphase postwar game plan that envisions a revamped Palestinian Authority ultimately taking over the Gaza Strip.
It’s an imperfect solution, but American officials view it as the best of only bad options for a territory where a war between Israel and Hamas militants has shattered infrastructure, killed thousands of Palestinians and displaced more than 1.5 million others. It also could put the U.S. on a collision course with the Israeli government.
Officials at the State Department, the White House and beyond have been laying out pieces of the strategy in multiple position papers and interagency meetings since mid-October, according to two U.S. officials, a State Department official and an administration official familiar with the discussions.
more https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/04/biden-gaza-israel-hamas-war-00130000
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 03:41:29 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 03:43:45 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 1h US officials expect the current phase of Israel’s ground operation of Gaza targeting the southern end of the strip to last several weeks before Israel transitions, possibly by January, to a lower-intensity, hyper-localized strategy. (CNN)
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 05:18:15 pm
Depravity that defies comprehension: Women raped - whether alive or dead. Others tortured until every organ was removed. The horrifying accounts of Hamas 'rape genocide' that left survivors so traumatised some have taken their own lives
GRAPHIC CONTENT WARNING
By Chris Jewers
Published: 06:41 EST, 6 December 2023 | Updated: 10:41 EST, 6 December 2023
Horrified witnesses to Hamas's October 7 massacre have been left suicidal, with at least one person already taking their own life, it has been reported.
It comes amid the release of testimonies given by those who saw the terror attack first hand - or were among the first at the scene in the days that followed.
Survivors and witnesses to October 7 have said Israeli women were raped - whether they were alive or dead - and tortured in unimaginably cruel ways.
One man who hid in a pit during the attack on the Nova music festival said he heard someone nearby screaming as she was raped, while a combat paramedic said they saw the body of a young woman with her legs open and pants pulled down.
A volunteer tasked with finding and collecting bodies also said in written witness testimony that he found women in their homes tied to the bed. One had been tortured, 'a knife stuck in her vagina and all her internal organs removed', he wrote.
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12831647/The-horrifying-accounts-Hamas-rape-genocide-left-survivors-traumatised.html
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Post by: jafo2010 on December 06, 2023, 05:40:14 pm
The Biden Idiocracy is already planning the rebuilding of Gaza? Why are these knuckleheads inserting this nation into the evil enterprise of Palestine? F*** that nonsense.
I pray Israel totally annihilates all of Gaza, and demands it remain in rubble for 100 years. That is the only solution, and the Biden Idiocracy pushing for a two state solution is completely ludicrous.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 06:05:20 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 06:09:31 pm
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Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 1h Saudi Arabia has asked the United States to show restraint in responding to attacks by Yemen's Houthis against ships in the Red Sea. (Reuters)
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Post by: SZonian on December 06, 2023, 06:09:46 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 06:10:19 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 1h Israel warns 20 European leaders about Hamas activity in major cities; information relayed to Britain, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Belgium & other countries. via @MaarivOnline
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 06:11:01 pm
Hind Hassan @HindHassanNews · Follow 21 members of Aljazeera Arabic journalist Moemen al-Sharifi's family were killed this morning after Israel bombed the Jabalia refugee camp. He lost his parents, his sister, 2 brothers, sisters-in-law, their children & many others. Rescue workers can't reach their bodies.
Maybe your family members shouldn't have been hanging out with Hamas terrorists. And maybe if rescue workers weren't pre-occupied with shuttling weapons around for Hamas, maybe they could have reached them sooner.
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Post by: bigheadfred on December 06, 2023, 06:19:26 pm
Maybe your family members shouldn't have been hanging out with Hamas terrorists. And maybe if rescue workers weren't pre-occupied with shuttling weapons around for Hamas, maybe they could have reached them sooner.
I would bet a number of those family members were Hamas.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 06, 2023, 06:55:55 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 1h Israel warns 20 European leaders about Hamas activity in major cities; information relayed to Britain, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Belgium & other countries. via @MaarivOnline
The same folks who missed Hamas activity half a mile from their own border?
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Post by: SZonian on December 06, 2023, 07:20:51 pm
The same folks who missed Hamas activity half a mile from their own border?
You are right, but there is a different Israel today. Israel was overconfident, complacent, and arrogantly naively dismissive. If you could go back in time and try to warn Israelis about Oct 7, Israel would have arrested YOU for inciting panic. The Israelis warning Israel of the murderous barbarism of Arabs were considered to be the enemy by Israel. Israel would never believe it. They would not even hear it. You would be arrested and shut away somewhere for the good of the public.
It is similar to the situation in Europe in the 1940s. When stories about the death camps were told to the Jews, they refused to believe it. They thought it was too fantastical to be true. History is replete with examples of Jews becoming too comfortable. This is just another one of those examples.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 07:40:10 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 07:42:41 pm
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 54m IDF spokesman: Hamas chief Sinwar is hiding underground; our job is to reach & kill him as soon as possible. via @ynetalerts
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 07:44:29 pm
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 2h Massive arms shipments to Israel continue: While lots of munitions are used in Gaza, IDF is building a large arsenal for potential war with Hezbollah 👇
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 07:44:38 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 12m The USS Mason, a guided-missile destroyer ship, shot down a drone over the Red Sea this morning, the drone originated in Yemen and was reportedly headed towards Israel.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 07:46:20 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 10:03:30 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 23m #BREAKING: Israel caved to US pressure as the Security Cabinet voted to start allowing more fuel into the Gaza Strip
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 06, 2023, 10:13:23 pm
IDF: We Broke Through Hamas Lines; Hamas Leader Yahya Sinwar is Underground
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Wednesday evening that it had broken through Hamas lines in both northern and southern Gaza, and that it had surrounded Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, who it said was hiding in an underground tunnel.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/06/idf-we-broke-through-hamas-lines-hamas-leader-yahya-sinwar-is-underground/
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Post by: Elderberry on December 07, 2023, 12:16:08 am
SpaceX SECRETLY Developed NEW Laser Aircraft Carrier to Save Israel
Tech News 12/6/2023
SpaceX and Pentagon SECRETLY Developed Deadly Weapon for US Aircraft Carrier! This Weapon Has Shaken The World! Elon Musk and SpaseX secretly collaborated with the Pentagon to create the most powerful weapon!
During the development of the world's largest aircraft carrier, the USS Ford, the US government decided to implement the most advanced technologies to maximize the ship's efficiency.
This may surprise you, because we have found development details that no one has mentioned before! It is not for nothing that the aircraft carrier is armed with missiles that cannot be shot down. Let's just say that the Pentagon's technology was not enough, and Congress had to ask for help.
What role did Elon Musk play in the development of the Gerald R Ford and why has he been in trouble with the government since then? Find out now!
NEW Deadly Weapon on US Aircraft Carrier Showed its POWER!
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Post by: Elderberry on December 07, 2023, 01:10:23 pm
i24NEWS English reposted Calev Ben-David @calev_i24 · Among the Israeli hostages released from #Gaza last week was one canine -- Bella, the pet #dog of 17-year old Mia Leimberg, who credits the Shih Tzu with helping her survive captivity by #Hamas terrorists #IsraelHamasWar @i24NEWS_EN @calev_i24
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Post by: Elderberry on December 07, 2023, 01:15:09 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
UN Secretary-General invokes article 99 to call for a ceasefire in #Gaza, used the last time 50 years ago
Former Israeli ambassador to the UN in Geneva and Egypt, Itzhak Levanon, breaks down how his actions back #Hamas and endanger world peace
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Post by: Elderberry on December 07, 2023, 01:20:40 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'Hamas is banking on media focus on Palestinian suffering and the protests on the street. All of which put pressure on governments...to support the imposition of a ceasefire
@DrMichaelOren, former Israeli Ambassador to the U.S says 'It's all about the ceasefire'
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Post by: Elderberry on December 07, 2023, 01:32:22 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 🚨Sirens sound in Gaza border communities alerting of incoming rockets
Trey Yingst @TreyYingst · Massive airstrikes against northern Gaza today. We’ve seen numerous strikes targeting Beit Hanoun.
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
🚨 Rocket sirens sound in northern Israel
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 07, 2023, 01:54:03 pm
Israel: Hamas Firing Rockets from Humanitarian Zone in Gaza Strip
Hamas terrorists are firing rockets at Israeli civilians from within the Al-Mawasi humanitarian zone designated by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) as a “safe zone,” deliberately endangering Palestinian civilians, an Israeli spokesman said on Thursday.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 07, 2023, 02:04:55 pm
Blinken: Israel Is Designating Safe Zones for Civilians, But ‘More’ ‘Needs to Be Done’
During an interview with CNN aired on Wednesday’s “King Charles,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken acknowledged that Israel is designating safe areas in the southern part of Gaza but “there’s more that has to happen, that needs to be done, making sure that people have safe corridors in order to get from areas that could be in danger to places where they’ll be safe, making sure that those areas where they’re going to have the proper resources,” and “We’re on this with them every single day.”
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Post by: Elderberry on December 07, 2023, 02:16:44 pm
Israel in the Crosshairs, Part 2B: More Forgotten History
Cherie Zaslawsky 12/5/2023
A TRAGEDY OF THEIR OWN MAKING: THE ARABS’ REFUSALS
Even though Palestine was never a nation, so Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank cannot be bereft of a nation that never existed, they are nevertheless in a predicament, and that is true whether we call them Palestinians or Egyptians, Jordanians, or simply Arabs. So how did that predicament come about, and who bears responsibility for it?
As Victor Sharpe reminds us: “…the Arab League, meeting in Khartoum in August 1967, delivered the infamous three no’s: No peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel. From 1937, Israeli politicians have five times offered the Arabs a state. Five times the Arabs have rejected the Israeli offers. The reason being the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians want no state next to Israel. They want no Jewish state to exist. Period!” (Emphasis mine)
And from Dr. Sergio Simon’s open letter to Queen Rania of Jordan:
Instead of absorbing them [the Palestinian refugees] into the Jordanian society, they were kept under inhumane conditions in concentration camps to pressure Israel and the United Nations. Nobody wanted the Palestine “problem” solved. … there were also the Jewish refugees from the Arab countries as well!
Hundreds of thousands of Jews had to flee Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Algeria, Tunisia, Yemen and Morocco without anything, leaving behind all their belongings and properties… But Israel did not put them in camps. They were readily absorbed in the Israeli society and today…they are lawyers, doctors, teachers, university professors in Israel. There is no more a “Jewish refugee” problem. This could have happened with the poor Palestinians had King Hussein in Jordan, Gamal Abdel Nasser in Egypt and Shukri al-Kwatli and Hafez al-Assad in Syria done the same.
ARAFAT’S GAME OF CAT AND MOUSE
What is the ultimate goal of the Palestinians? Is it possession of their own state?
If so, why did Yassar Arafat agree to the1993 Oslo Accords and then promptly violate virtually all the agreements? And why did he turn down the Camp David II Accords in 2000 proffered under Ehud Barak working alongside President Clinton? That plan would have given the Palestinians 97% of Gaza and the West Bank and a Palestinian Authority (PA) capitol in East Jerusalem. This was everything they’d asked for with a cherry on top! Only 3% shy of the UN’s original plan for a Palestinian state, yet Arafat responded with the Second Intifada.
More telling yet, when Clinton tried making the plan even more appealing to the Arabs, Arafat reportedly admitted in a phone conversation with Saudi Arabia’s Ambassador to Washington, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, that it was “the best offer imaginable.” (Meir-Levi: History Upside Down p. 98) Yet Arafat rejected it cold and stepped up the violence. Why?
It would seem that the PLO, and its offshoot the PA, have been playing cat and mouse with Israel for decades. And according to high-ranking Communist defector Ion Mihai Pacepa, this is not by accident:
Brezhnev, according to Pacepa, carried it one step farther when Carter came into office. He suggested to Pacepa that Carter might fall for Yassir Arafat PRETENDING to renounce violence and pretending to seek peace negotiations. He persuaded Arafat to do this by telling him that the West would shower him with gold and glory. It did. Billions of dollars and a Nobel prize. Ceausescu warned Arafat he would have to pretend over and over again. Abbas is still pretending. (Emphasis mine)
This kind of pretense is also sanctioned in the Koran, as Taqiya—the act of lying for a supposedly worthy goal. But what is the goal, if not a Palestinian state?
The utter and complete destruction of Israel through genocide against the Jews.
This appeals to those Arabs who dream of annihilating Israel and creating a worldwide Muslim Caliphate. Furthermore, it fits in with the Globalist/Leftist plan for a One World Government, entailing the eradication of Western civilization of which Biblical Israel has served as a cornerstone. And of course Christianity itself rests upon its Jewish roots.
The decades-long unresolved conflict between Israel and the Palestinians could almost be likened to the dysfunctional relationship between a battered wife and her abusive spouse. And this is why Israel ought never to have “disengaged” from the Gaza Strip, or ceded control of the Philadelphi Corridor on the Egyptian border. As Victor Sharpe points out: “It is under this corridor that Hamas [has] dug hundreds of tunnels through which they smuggle their weapons into Gaza.” Nor should Israel have agreed to a cease-fire and hostage/prisoner exchange before its mission to take down Hamas is complete.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 07, 2023, 02:21:57 pm
Elderly Gazan woman is furious with Hamas. She says they take all the humanitarian aid coming on trucks from the Egyptian border for themselves. ... https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1732539753227051327
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 07, 2023, 03:26:14 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 07, 2023, 03:37:16 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 2h IDF to deploy Special Forces to take over Hamas hubs in Khan Younis; army is going after terror leaders, believes seizing control of Hamas nerve center in city will bring Hamas closer to breaking point. via @N12News
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 07, 2023, 03:38:53 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 07, 2023, 06:24:01 pm
Son of Former IDF Chief of Staff, War Cabinet Minister Killed in Battle in Gaza
Master Sgt. (res.) Gal Meir Eisenkot, 25, of the 551st Brigade’s 699th Battalion, died Thursday as a result of wounds suffered in battle with terrorists in Gaza. He was the son of former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) chief of staff Gadi Eisenkot.
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 16m Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: "If Hezbollah decides to open an all-out war, then with its own hands it will turn Beirut and southern Lebanon into Gaza and Khan Yunis”.
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Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 17m The US has now resumed drone flights over Gaza in support of Israel’s hostage recovery efforts, a Pentagon spokesperson said, after pausing them last month as part of a week-long truce between Israel and Hamas. (CNN)
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 07, 2023, 06:35:28 pm
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 07, 2023, 06:53:38 pm
WATCH: Hamas Terrorists Surrender en Masse, and the Photos and Videos Are Telling
By Bonchie | 11:15 AM on December 07, 2023The opinions expressed by contributors are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of RedState.com.
Hamas terrorists have started to surrender en masse in the area of Khan Younis, one of the terrorist government's last strongholds. The latest advance has the IDF operating in Southern Gaza, a move that has sparked outrage among those who want Israel to stop short of destroying Hamas (but hide that desire behind humanitarian concerns).
Photos and videos of Hamas fighters stripped to their underwear have begun to circulate showing the sheer numbers of prisoners being taken.
I look forward to the United Nations and the rest of the "international community" claiming that strip-searching terrorists before detaining them is somehow a violation of the laws of war. We all know that's coming, and there have already been a myriad of articles (such as this one from Reuters) quoting "Gaza health officials" claiming humanitarian abuses.
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 07, 2023, 06:54:55 pm
Not for one second do I believe they are actually surrendering. They are congregating inside Israel for some nefarious reason yet to be seen.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 07, 2023, 08:03:39 pm
'Squad' Dems double down on 'genocide' accusations against Israel, say IDF is 'targeting civilians' Cori Bush says Israel has 'targeted' hospitals and committed war crimes By Anders Hagstrom Fox News Published December 7, 2023 1:35pm EST
"Squad" Democrats gathered on Capitol Hill to call for a permanent cease-fire in Gaza on Thursday, doubling down on accusations that Israel is targeting civilians and committing "genocide."
Rep. Cori Bush, D-Mo., held the press conference alongside Reps. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., and Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich. They also invited members of the Doctors Without Borders organization, which provides humanitarian aid in Gaza. Bush had vicious words for Israel during her opening remarks.
"When we hear genocidal rhetoric, when we witness devastation and mass murder, when we finance the bombs being dropped, when we intentionally disregard the suffering, we allow the people we represent to be complicit in mass atrocities," Bush said.
"And let me be clear about what's happening: These are war crimes. The targeting of civilians is a war crime; the targeting of medical facilities is a war crime, the starvation and withholding of water and electricity is a war crime; the collective punishment of 2.3 million people is a war crime, and we refuse to be silent," she added as Omar and Tlaib nodded in agreement.
more https://www.foxnews.com/politics/squad-dems-double-down-on-genocide-accusations-against-israel-say-idf-is-targeting-civilians
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Post by: berdie on December 07, 2023, 09:46:55 pm
It makes me wonder why these people don't talk to their Hamas buddies about not putting weapons in civilian areas. :shrug:
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 07, 2023, 09:53:35 pm
It makes me wonder why these people don't talk to their Hamas buddies about not putting weapons in civilian areas. :shrug:
Maybe they are threatened with being labeled "Jewish Sympathizers"? Guaranteed to become cannon fodder.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 07, 2023, 11:29:06 pm
Congress investigating media outlets that had reporters 'embedded' with Hamas
WND 12/8/2023 Reporters could be considered 'complicit' in deaths of Israelis
Congress has begun investigating various media outlets that had reporters "embedded" with Hamas during the terror organization's attack on Israel on Oct. 7.
That was when terrorists, likely drugged up and with instructions to commit atrocities against Israeli civilians, did just that, beheading babies and burning entire families alive.
Further details revealed after the attack that killed an estimated 1,400 show that the terrorists raped both men and women, and murdered them in stunningly brutal fashion.
Having reporters embedded with an event is a common occurrence for media organizations, such as at protests, parades and such. But the legal and ethical questions of allowing reporters to knowingly accompany terrorists on a murder spree raise red flags the size of the state of Texas.
It's the Washington Examiner that confirmed Republicans in the House are looking into the facts after footage was unearthed that shows freelance journalists for CNN, New York Times, AP and Reuters present during the terror.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 08, 2023, 01:03:02 am
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
In a letter to the UN’s Security Council, the UN’s Secretary General invoked Article 99 -
#i24NEWS senior diplomatic correspondent, @owenalterman breaks down the the meaning and the possible implications of the move, taken for the first time since António Guterres took office
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 01:26:47 am
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 6m Initial Reports that at least 4 Rockets have Targeted the U.S. Embassy Compound in Baghdad, Iraq.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 01:27:35 am
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 2m More Explosions reported just now inside of the International “Green Zone” within the Iraqi Capital of Baghdad, it appears to possibly be a Second Barrage of Rockets.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 01:37:22 am
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Post by: Elderberry on December 08, 2023, 12:43:28 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 🚨Alert siren sound in northern Israel
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · A Large-Scale Rocket and Drone Attack appears to possibly be underway against Tel Aviv and Northern Israel, with Rocket and Aircraft Intrusion Alerts being reported.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 08, 2023, 12:50:56 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
After 9 weeks, @RedCross keeps failing to pay medical visits to Israeli hostages in #Hamas captivity
'They have to deal with a brutal, merciless terrorist organization. Hamas doesn't have any interest in humanitarian assistance or human values. They won't cooperate,' @COLRICHARDKEMP tells @benitalevin
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Post by: Elderberry on December 08, 2023, 12:54:14 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Israeli forces discover kilometer-long terror tunnel connecting university to nearby school. It's the latest reminder that Hamas-ruled Gaza is an evil empire of endless war crimes 👇
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Post by: Elderberry on December 08, 2023, 12:57:49 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
'The end is in sight for #Hamas, and they know this., which is why they pressed for a ceasefire. They knew the only way to avoid their own destruction was for Israel not to continue to attack,'
@COLRICHARDKEMP talks about Hamas' capabilities as fighting intensifies with @benitalevin
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Post by: Elderberry on December 08, 2023, 01:01:58 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
🔴IDF troops struck compounds containing terror infrastructure used for #Hamas’ military activity in the Al-Azhar University located in Rimal in the Gaza Strip
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Post by: Elderberry on December 08, 2023, 01:07:42 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · IDF says they struck 450 targets across the Gaza Strip in the last 24 hours while the operation in the Southern part of the Strip focuses on the Hamas stronghold of Khan Yunis @ArieLW_i24 with the details
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Post by: Elderberry on December 08, 2023, 01:45:26 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com
IDF says 20% of Hezbollah rocket launches landed in Lebanon. War not going well for Hezbollah so far 👇
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com
Senior Hezbollah members upset at poor performance of Radwan force vs. Israel, according to Saudi report; Hezbollah considers commission of inquiry into elite unit’s failures. via @kaisos1987
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com
Confirmed Hezbollah death toll rises to 93; at least 10 attacks on Israel from Lebanon today; PM Netanyahu: If Hezbollah chooses full-scale war, Beirut and Lebanon will turn into Gaza and Khan Younis. via @N12News
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 02:06:25 pm
Former Israeli Defense Minister: ‘Naive’ to Believe Gazans Seek Peace, Oppose Hamas
Those who believe Palestinians in Gaza oppose Hamas and would reciprocate Israeli efforts for peace are “naive,” according to former Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who argues that Hamas “Nazi terrorists” have “massive support” from Gazan civilians.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 08, 2023, 02:07:13 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
🔴WATCH: IDF reveals how the troops eliminated dozens of terrorists in battles, worked to locate and destroy shafts, and directed precise attacks from the ground and from the air
"We launched a quick, powerful, and focused attack, moving from shaft to shaft, from house to house"
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 02:17:08 pm
White House Scrubs Ties to CAIR After Leader’s Pro-Hamas, Pro-Terror Rant
The White House has denounced the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) after revelations Thursday that its executive director, Nihad Awad, praised Hamas and the October 7 terror attacks on Israel in a recent speech to a Muslim group.
more https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/07/white-house-scrubs-ties-to-cair-after-leaders-pro-hamas-pro-terror-rant/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 02:43:12 pm
Israeli hostage Eitan Levi is murdered by Hamas
A 53-year-old Israeli taxi driver who was kidnapped by Hamas on Oct. 7 has been murdered, the Bat Yam municipality announced Friday in a statement obtained by Fox News.
The Israeli city where Eitan Levi once lived said they were informed by the military last night of his death.
"Eitan, a taxi driver, was driving his client from the center of the country to Kibbutz Be'eri just as the terrorists were taking over the area," it said. "His body is still held by Hamas in Gaza. We hug the family and will continue to accompany them all the way."
The Hostages and Missing Persons Families Forum said in a statement to Fox News that it "mourns the murder of Eitan Levi.
They described Levi as "a warm, loving family man who always cared for others over himself.
"Eitan was a responsible and dedicated man in all his endeavors. He has an only son, Shachar, and together they loved hiking and dining at fine steakhouses. Eitan loved animals, dogs in particular," it added.
"Today, the family received the devastating news that he was murdered near Kibbutz Be'eri after dropping off a friend at her home on that tragic Saturday morning," it also said.
Fox News' Yonat Friling and Ben Evansky contributed to this report. Posted by Greg Norman
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Post by: rangerrebew on December 08, 2023, 02:55:03 pm
Israel: Hamas Firing Rockets from Humanitarian Zone in Gaza Strip
JOEL B. POLLAK7 Dec 2023106
Hamas terrorists are firing rockets at Israeli civilians from within the Al-Mawasi humanitarian zone designated by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) as a “safe zone,” deliberately endangering Palestinian civilians, an Israeli spokesman said on Thursday.
Israel has set aside the Al-Mawasi area in the southwestern Gaza Strip, near the Mediterranean coast, that is meant to be free from any attacks, and it has encouraged Palestinian civilians to evacuate there, and aid agencies to set up facilities there.
“The IDF continues to call on the residents of the northern Gaza Strip and Gaza City to evacuate towards the area of Al-Mawasi, south of Wadi Gaza. The IDF recommends evacuating to the open areas in western Khan Yunis, in the area of Al-Mawasi,” it said on October 18.
Eylon Levy, addressing journalists, said that Hamas had fired rockets throughout the afternoon on Tuesday from Al-Mawasi, including a barrage of 12 rockets at 3:59 p.m. local time that were aimed at the Israeli city of Be’er Sheva and that were launched from close proximity to civilian tents and United Nations facilities in the humanitarian zone.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 03:17:52 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 10m At least 3 Drone Attack by Iranian-Backed Forces have been Targeted against U.S. Forces at Al-Asad Airbase in Western Iraq within the last 12 Hours.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 03:19:52 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 24m Estimated Hamas death toll: Over 6,000; hundreds of terrorists killed in northern Gaza battles in recent days as IDF demolishes remaining Hamas strongholds in area; via @ynetalerts
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 03:20:19 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 03:35:46 pm
December 8, 2023 Israel's IDF flushes Hamas's tunnels with sea water -- and sends terrorists scurrying out like rats By Monica Showalter
Hear that flushing noise?
Amid all the screeching of the anti-Semitic global elites, the haze of pro-Hamas global protests, and the Biden administration's efforts to micromanage how Israel conducts its war against avowed terrorists, Israel's Defense Forces have been quietly takin' care of business.
AT's editor, Andrea Widburg has written about the mass surrenders which is happy news indeed, here.
The parents of Naama Levy, a teenager and advocate for Israeli-Palestinian coexistence who was abducted on October 7 and was last seen covered in blood and being dragged by the hair by a Hamas terrorist, are calling on international organizations and countries to pressure the Palestinian terror group to release her.
The 19-year-old Levy, who volunteered with an organization dedicated to peaceful dialogue between Israelis and Palestinians, was kidnapped during the October 7 massacre by Hamas terrorists from her army base, Nachal Oz.
She completed her training as an observation soldier on the prior Wednesday, arrived at her new military base on Thursday, and was abducted on Saturday morning.
She last messaged her mother, Ayelet, at 6:55 a.m, writing: “We’re in a secure space,” while noting the unprecedented gunfire and rocket salvo outside.
Naama was later seen in footage from Gaza, visibly bloodied, handcuffed, and being forcibly removed from the trunk of a jeep by an armed Hamas terrorist who shoves her into a backseat, as Gazans crowd around to cheer and chant “Allahu Akbar” (God is Great).
more https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/08/parents-of-teen-peace-activist-held-hostage-by-hamas-for-over-2-months-plead-for-her-release/
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 08, 2023, 05:47:43 pm
Hamas can't release her alive because it looks like she was sexually assaulted. Alive, she could be a witness against Hamas at a War Crimes Trial.
Keep flooding those tunnels.
The Hamas terrorists that warrant execution should be given the choice of being devoured by boars/hogs or a bullet to the head. But, they need to provide intelligence or a hostage's location to be eligible for the bullet to the head.
General Pershing did something similar in the Philippines when there was an Islamist uprising. He killed all but one of the rebels, had their corpses defiled with pig entrails, and release the living rebel to tell others what happened to his comrades.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 07:26:48 pm
IDF: Two Soldiers Wounded in Attempt to Rescue Hostages in Gaza
Two Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers were wounded in an overnight attempt to rescue hostages held by Hamas, the Israeli military said on Friday.
The IDF issued a public statement after Hamas claimed that it had killed Israeli soldiers who had attempted a hostage rescue.
In a statement, the IDF said:
Overnight, two IDF soldiers were severely injured during an operation to rescue hostages held by Hamas in the Gaza Strip. During the operation, numerous terrorists who took part in the abducting and holding of hostages were killed.
No hostages were rescued in this activity.
The families of the two IDF soldiers who were injured have been notified.
The IDF continues to operate in a variety of operational and intelligence methods, together with security organizations, in order to release the hostages, and to collect relevant information.
IDF representatives are in contact with the families of the hostages, regularly updating them with all verified information about their loved ones.
Hamas tries to weaponize psychological terror. Please refrain from spreading unverified rumors and enabling psychological terror by Hamas.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/08/idf-two-soldiers-wounded-in-attempt-to-rescue-hostages-in-gaza/
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 08, 2023, 07:58:03 pm
Terror is only effective until its targets realize that they are already marked for death.
Hamas' mistake was they overdid the terror. Hamas took what could have been an effective operation to obtain leverage by taking hostages; and their overkill made the Israelis realize that Hamas has marked all Israeli's for death.
So, for the Israeli's, it's an existential war of survival against a 2nd Holocaust. The Israeli's have nothing to lose, but their very survival.
There really needs to be a multilateral covert war to eliminate Iran's proxies and the logistics and financial systems that armed Hamas.
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Post by: 240B on December 08, 2023, 09:37:09 pm
US tells Israel to end its war with Hamas within a month as growing death toll in Gaza sparks concerns
Blinken spoke with govt. officials on his latest diplomatic visit to Israel last week
Comes as the US' top diplomat publicly criticised the IDF's collateral damage
But he also warned that President Biden expected the war to be wrapped up within three months of October 7, given the collateral damage to Gaza's civilian population, sources told The Times - giving the IDF until early January to achieve their objectives.
The arrogance expressed by Blinken is astounding. Where does he get the idea that he can 'dictate' an end to the war. Where does he get the idea that America is somehow "allowing" Israel to defend itself by 'giving Israel some time' to finish the war. The words and phrases they use are similar to how a parent speaks to a child. It is difficult to understand what makes them think that America is 'in charge' and is running the war in Israel.
Furthermore, Russia destroyed entire city blocks in Ukraine with nothing but civilians in them. Russia leveled square mile after square mile of civilian housing and infrastructure. Russia kidnapped thousands upon thousands of Ukrainian children to reeducation camps in Russia. When did America tell Zelensky that he has 'one month' to wrap up the war? When did America the world scream and protest on campus the Russian deliberate bombing of apartments and markets?
It is odd that America and the world are pretending that the war in Israel is the first time civilians have ever been killed in battle. It is odd that America believes they are some kind of overlord which is permitting Israel to defend its own citizens.
Israel has already said innumerable times that this effort will be a long process, possibly lasting for years. This, end it in one month demand, is beyond ridiculous. America is only making itself look like a fool with these idiotic declarations.
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Post by: libertybele on December 08, 2023, 09:41:11 pm
US tells Israel to end its war with Hamas within a month as growing death toll in Gaza sparks concerns
Blinken spoke with govt. officials on his latest diplomatic visit to Israel last week
Comes as the US' top diplomat publicly criticised the IDF's collateral damage
But he also warned that President Biden expected the war to be wrapped up within three months of October 7, given the collateral damage to Gaza's civilian population, sources told The Times - giving the IDF until early January to achieve their objectives.
The arrogance expressed by Blinken is astounding. Where does he get the idea that he can 'dictate' an end to the war. Where does he get the idea that America is somehow "allowing" Israel to defend itself by 'giving Israel some time' to finish the war. The words and phrases they use are similar to how a parent speaks to a child. It is difficult to understand what makes them think that America is 'in charge' and is running the war in Israel.
Furthermore, Russia destroyed entire city blocks in Ukraine with nothing but civilians in them. Russia leveled square mile after square mile of civilian housing and infrastructure. Russia kidnapped thousands upon thousands of Ukrainian children to reeducation camps in Russia. When did America tell Zelensky that he has 'one month' to wrap up the war? When did America the world scream and protest on campus the Russian deliberate bombing of apartments and markets?
It is odd that America and the world are pretending that the war in Israel is the first time civilians have ever been killed in battle. It is odd that America believes they are some kind of overlord which is permitting Israel to defend its own citizens.
Israel has already said innumerable times that this effort will be a long process, possibly lasting for years. This, end it in one month demand, is beyond ridiculous. America is only making itself look like a fool with these idiotic declarations.
Unfreakin' believable. Blinken has schlitz for brains along with Brandon and cronies.
Either Bibi wins this war or Hamas will become strengthened and their jihad will continue across the west.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 08, 2023, 09:50:43 pm
Tells? Maybe it's the Irish in me, but the US has no right to tell Israel to stop anything.
Israel is an independent, sovereign nation that is doing what Hamas made necessary to defend its citizens from Hamas' genocidal ambitions for Israeli Jews.
Instead, the US needs to figure out how some displaced, p!$$ poor, nomadic goat herders were able to amass such an aresenal of weapons? How'd they get to Gaza? Who brought them there? Who paid for them? Is that same terrorist materiel logistics network supplying other terrorist actors?
Israel may have been the first to be attacked, but you bet they have plans to attack America, Americans, and American interests. This is what happens when you allow a terrorist regime in Iran to sell oil for money.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 08, 2023, 11:45:13 pm
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Tammuz Intel @Tammuz_Intel · 6h Expecting US retaliation in the upcoming 48 hours.
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OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 6h The Attacks on U.S. Forces in the Middle East today has been Neverending, with at least 10 Rocket and Drones Attacks reported against 6 different Bases in both Iraq and Syria in the last 12 Hours.
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OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 6h Now 11 Attacks.
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Post by: libertybele on December 09, 2023, 12:04:42 am
Tells? Maybe it's the Irish in me, but the US has no right to tell Israel to stop anything.
Israel is an independent, sovereign nation that is doing what Hamas made necessary to defend its citizens from Hamas' genocidal ambitions for Israeli Jews.
Instead, the US needs to figure out how some displaced, p!$$ poor, nomadic goat herders were able to amass such an aresenal of weapons? How'd they get to Gaza? Who brought them there? Who paid for them? Is that same terrorist materiel logistics network supplying other terrorist actors?
Israel may have been the first to be attacked, but you bet they have plans to attack America, Americans, and American interests. This is what happens when you allow a terrorist regime in Iran to sell oil for money.
This is what happens when you significantly botch the withdrawal in Afghanistan -- how many of those weapons were used against Israel? How much $$ and how many weapons have flowed into the hands of Hamas since Brandon has been president??
It has been verified several times that Hamas is in this country. God help us because you know darn well, our own gov't doesn't have a handle on things.
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Post by: GtHawk on December 09, 2023, 01:29:15 am
Every time an attack is launched, and I believe we know exactly where it is being launched from, we should be raining absolute hellfire down on that position, also we should be killing the Hezbollah, Hamas or whatever flavor of moslem, leadership until there are not only none left but none willing to take the role. And we can do this without putting soldiers at risk with the technology and weapons we have.
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Post by: Hoodat on December 09, 2023, 01:40:38 am
The arrogance expressed by Blinken is astounding. Where does he get the idea that he can 'dictate' an end to the war. Where does he get the idea that America is somehow "allowing" Israel to defend itself by 'giving Israel some time' to finish the war. The words and phrases they use are similar to how a parent speaks to a child. It is difficult to understand what makes them think that America is 'in charge' and is running the war in Israel.
Blinken is following the orders of his Iranian masters.
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Post by: libertybele on December 09, 2023, 01:47:38 am
IDF says soldiers encountered Hamas terror cell inside school
Israeli soldiers encountered a Hamas terror cell within a school in the Gaza Strip before eliminating them, the Israel Defense Forces said Friday.
The Hamas fighters attempted to draw IDF forces from a counter-terrorism unit with the 74th Battalion into an ambush before a firefight erupted, the IDF said.
The soldiers searched the school in the Shuja'iyya area of Gaza City and found a tunnel shaft inside a classroom, the IDF said.
“This is another example of Hamas’s cynical abuse of schools, they have turned places that should be safe-havens for children into hideouts for terrorists,” the IDF said.
A squad from the Lotar counter-terrorism unit was operating in Gaza for the first time as part of the 188th Brigade, authorities said.
The soldiers in the squad specialize in breaching and demolitions, as well as snipers. Video footage released by the IDF show soldiers firing multiple rounds at a wall where returning gunfire appears to be coming from during close-quarters combat operations. ........
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Post by: Elderberry on December 09, 2023, 01:11:14 pm
Red Cross reprimands Israeli hostage families: 'Think about the Palestinians'
The Jerusalem Post 12/8/2023
The Red Cross has sparked outrage in Israel with how it has handled the mass kidnapping and massacre conducted by Hamas.
Families of Israelis being held hostage by Hamas were reprimanded by representatives of the Red Cross in a meeting earlier this week, with the Red Cross telling one family they need to "think about the Palestinian side," KAN reported on Thursday night.
Roni and Simona, the parents of Doron Steinbrecher who was kidnapped by Hamas terrorists from Kfar Azza on October 7, were invited to a meeting with the Red Cross earlier this week.
Doron needs a medication she takes daily and her parents thought that the Red Cross was finally willing to transfer the medication to her, but instead they were sat down and reprimanded by representatives of the Red Cross.
"Think about the Palestinian side," the representatives of the Red Cross told Simona, according to KAN. "It's hard for the Palestinians, they're being bombed."
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 09, 2023, 03:12:31 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 4m Israel Defense Forces have conducted an Airstrike on Southern Lebanon this morning which resulted in the Destruction of a Hezbollah Command and Operations Center which was being used in the Planning of recent Rocket Attacks on Israel.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 09, 2023, 03:13:18 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 09, 2023, 03:22:24 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 25m IDF 36th Division killed over 250 terrorists in week of fighting in Shujaiya, the strongest Hamas hub in north Gaza; troops engage in close-range combat supported by tanks, artillery & airstrikes; paratroopers eliminate many terrorists emerging out of tunnels. via @WallaNews
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 09, 2023, 03:23:16 pm
It's my understanding that the launchers are very mobile, and about the size of a large ladder.
It's my belief, justified or not, that we have the capabilities to see things smaller than that and probably in real time too so we could destroy them if we wanted to.
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Post by: GtHawk on December 09, 2023, 05:20:34 pm
The Red Cross has, over these past couple of months, established itself as utterly worthless. :nono:
Last few months? They saw the very last nickel from me after the way they handled the Katrina donations. The Red Cross ceased to be what they were in the 40's and 50's long long ago.
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Post by: Hoodat on December 09, 2023, 05:58:12 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · Follow Contrary to predictions, heavy casualty toll from Israeli bombings hasn't made ordinary Gazans rally behind Hamas. In fact, civilians are blaming the jihadist group for starting the war and then escaping to hide in their tunnels, @josephbraude tells @laura_i24
Let's be clear here. Gaza civilians aren't mad a Hamas for starting the war. Gaza civilians are mad at Hamas for getting their asses kicked.
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Post by: Hoodat on December 09, 2023, 06:15:54 pm
Let's be clear here. Gaza civilians aren't mad a Hamas for starting the war. Gaza civilians are mad at Hamas for getting their asses kicked.
The people in Gaza are very very poorly educated. They have limited access to the outside world. Therefore, they are simple imbeciles which are easily manipulated by religious leaders. Mentally, they are like children.
Hamas promised them a full and complete defeat of all of Israel, before the glorious victorious unstoppable Hamas moved on to conquer other lands. Hamas would be the new Nazi Party, conquering and defeating any country they choose at will. Hamas likes to compare itself to a authentic national fighting force, when they are in fact just a gaggle of armed radical civilians. That does not mitigate their lethality. They are ready to rape and murder anyone, including each other. But they are far from a formidable, organized, fighting force as they like to portray themselves.
Hamas set wild expectations way too high. The expectations Hamas set, from their isolated fantasy world, were so grandiose and unrealistic as to be thought of as stupid and even laughable. But, the people in Gaza wanted to believe Hamas, so they did. Now that their world is crashing down around them, they are lashing out at Hamas for deceiving them.
Hamas is great at killing unarmed isolated civilians. But when Hamas comes up against an equipped real Army, they become nothing more than cannon fodder. Poorly trained, uneducated Islamic fanatics are not equivalent to trained soldiers no matter what kind of modern weapons from Afghanistan they may carry.
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Post by: 240B on December 09, 2023, 06:59:51 pm
“If you can’t report to the MDA in real-time, and in addition, you don’t worry about and don’t deliver medicine to innocent kidnapped citizens who haven’t committed any crime, and if all your concern is for the murderers and the family members of terrorists who carried out attacks in Israel, then your role is completely non-essential. You did not help in real time a woman who needed medicine and medical care. I think you are far from being a neutral entity.”
MDA CEO Eli Bin Condemns the Red Cross: ‘You Are Not Neutral’ By David Israel - 21 Kislev 5784 – December 4, 2023
Israeli hostage Sahar Baruch, 25, an engineering student who was abducted from Kibbutz Be’eri on October 7, has been killed in Gaza — and the Hamas terrorist group is blaming Israel, saying that he was killed during an attempted rescue earlier this week.
As Breitbart News has noted, Kibbutz Be’eri was one of the hardest-hit communities in the October 7 terror attack by Hamas, with 100 people — roughly 10% of the population — murdered. Some of the killing was extremely brutal; homes were filled with blood.
Hamas released a propaganda this week video showing a blood-soaked floor and staircase, suggesting a body having been dragged through a building, and then showing Baruch’s bloodied, battered body (which Breitbart News will not publish). Israeli sources confirmed his death, and the community of Kibbutz Be’eri said that Hamas itself had murdered Baruch in captivity.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/09/israeli-hostage-killed-in-gaza-hamas-blames-israel/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 09, 2023, 07:56:17 pm
Bill Maher declares Harvard, UPenn 'Team Hamas,’ derides ‘idiot’ students who are attacking Israel
"Real Time" host Bill Maher railed against universities like Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania as being "Team Hamas" and having students who are "useful idiots." Maher also defended the anti-Israel rhetoric on the principle of free speech, saying it "works both ways."
The presidents of Harvard and UPenn have sparked intense backlash this week for their testimony on Capitol Hill after failing to say that calls for genocide against Jews violate their university's code of conduct.
Maher kicked off the interview with pro-free speech group FIRE CEO Greg Lukianoff by pointing to its ranking of colleges regarding free speech and how Harvard and UPenn ranked at the very bottom of nearly 250 universities.
"So these are two of the colleges who are now on Team Hamas," Maher said. "Is that a coincidence? Or what is the connection?"
Maher began listing slogans heard at pro-Palestinian rallies on college campuses and started by defending the use of the word "intifada," which he described as "one of those vague terms like jihad," admitting it "probably means violence." But then he considered the pro-Palestinian slogan "From the river to the sea" as "a little more genocide-y."
"But, you know, let's give the benefit of the doubt- that could be ‘Well, we just want the Jews to move and not die,'" Maher quipped. "And then there's the phrase ‘by any means necessary.’ Ok, now I'm kinda peeing my pants."
Lukianoff responded by saying the term intifada is "absolutely protected" speech but quickly stressed that "of course" it can also fall under threats or harassment.
"It was kind of embarrassing to watch these university presidents of the top institutions in the country not being able to answer that clearly," Lukianoff said.
"What irks me is that look, I'm always going to be on the side ‘as far as you can push free speech,'" Maher said. "What bothers me is the double standard… Say they don't want to say ‘Kill the Jews,’ but I certainly have heard chanted ‘F--- the Jews, f--- the Jews.’"
"I cannot think of any other group that you can say ‘f--- the blank' and have it be acceptable," Maher added.
Fox News Digital's Joseph A. Wulfsohn contributed to this update. Posted by Chris Pandolfo
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Post by: mountaineer on December 09, 2023, 07:59:20 pm
Another mass surrender of terrorists in Gaza. Step by step, Hamas is falling apart: https://twitter.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1733554259566694644
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 09, 2023, 11:13:45 pm
Israel-Hamas war: Biden admin approves tank cartridge sale to Israel, circumventing Congress
The State Department announced on Saturday that the U.S. government has approved a military sale to Israel worth around $106.5 million, as the Israeli military continues fighting Hamas terrorists.
In a press release, the State Department said that on Friday, officials "determined and provided detailed justification to Congress that an emergency exists," thereby bypassing a Congressional vote on the matter.
"The Secretary of State has approved a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Israel of 120mm M830A1 High Explosive Anti-Tank Multi-Purpose with Tracer (MPAT) tank cartridges and related equipment for an estimated cost of $106.5 million," the press release read. "The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on December 8, 2023."
The State Department explained that the Israeli government requested to buy exactly 13,981 tank cartridges.
"Also included are publications and technical documentation; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services; studies and surveys; and other related elements of logistics and program support," the State Department explained.
"The United States is committed to the security of Israel, and it is vital to U.S. national interests to assist Israel to develop and maintain a strong and ready self-defense capability. This proposed sale is consistent with those objectives," the statement added. "Israel will use the enhanced capability as a deterrent to regional threats and to strengthen its homeland defense. Israel will have no difficulty absorbing this equipment into its armed forces."
Fox News Digital's Nicholas Kalman contributed to this report. Posted by Andrea Vacchiano
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 09, 2023, 11:37:06 pm
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OSINTdefender @sentdefender
Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu has reportedly told U.S. President Biden that if the United States does not take Military Action against the Houthi Terrorist Group in Yemen soon, then Israel will.
1:14 PM · Dec 9, 2023
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Post by: libertybele on December 10, 2023, 02:18:07 am
Israeli military tells Khan Younis residents to evacuate to area with few facilities on the coast
The Israeli military has instructed residents of much of Khan Younis, the second-largest city in the Gaza Strip, to evacuate to the Al-Muwasi area, a strip of land with few facilities on the coast, as well as specified blocks shown on an IDF interactive map.
The Israel Defense Forces said:
"The general instruction for residents is to move to the Al-Muwasi area, as well as blocks updated in the IDF interactive map published last week.” The military was responding Saturday to a CNN inquiry about where people should go.
Earlier, the IDF issued what it called "an urgent appeal" for civilians to leave much of the area in and around Khan Younis where fierce fighting is underway.
In a post on ‘X,’ the IDF’s spokesperson for Arab media, Avichay Adraee, urged residents of the "neighborhoods of Al-Katiba, Al Mahatta, and the city center in Khan Younis Governorate” to evacuate.
Adraee specified five blocks (47, 55, 104 – 106) on the map published by the IDF.
“We call on you to leave where you are urgently and go toward known shelters west of Khan Younis,” he said.
It’s unclear how many people might be aware of the instruction given the lack of communications networks and internet availability in much of Gaza. It’s also unclear what shelters Adraee is referring to. CNN has reached out to the IDF for further clarification.
Al-Muwasi is a strip of some 20 square kilometers on the coast. ......
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 10, 2023, 05:51:38 am
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38m ago / 11:59 PM EST NBC Updates
Video shows devastation in Gaza, damage as people carry belongings through debris
A video released by UNICEF shows the devastation and damage in Gaza as a result of heavy Israeli bombardment.
Buildings in Khan Younis, Gaza’s main southern city, can be seen reduced to rubble in the background as people carry belongings through the debris.
In another part of the video, people are seen living in tent camps, where laundry is hung on clotheslines, and crowded streets are packed with cars loaded with belongings. At a hospital a 3-year-old boy who lost his leg sits on a bed.
In a video posted to his Instagram, UNICEF spokesperson James Elder walks down a street as a group of people rides in a cart alongside him.
“I was in Ukraine when families just like these were forced to flee, and the world opened its heart to them," Elder said in the video. "I do not understand now why the world has closed its eyes."
Israel has ordered residents out of the center of Khan Younis, and pounded the length of the enclave.
Israel’s Arabic-language spokesperson posted a map on X highlighting six numbered blocks of Khan Younis that residents were told to evacuate “urgently." They included parts of the city centre that had not been subject to such orders before.
Since a truce collapsed last week, Israel has expanded its ground assault into the southern half of the Gaza Strip by pushing into Khan Younis. Simultaneously, both sides have reported a surge in fighting in the north.
An official toll of all deaths in Gaza compiled by the Palestinian health ministry in the Hamas-run enclave exceeded 17,700 on Saturday, with many thousands more missing and presumed dead under the rubble. The ministry has previously said about 40% of deaths were of children under 18.
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Post by: 240B on December 10, 2023, 05:58:02 am
"In another part of the video, people are seen living in tent camps, where laundry is hung on clotheslines, and crowded streets are packed with cars loaded with belongings."
Sounds like an ordinary day on the Mexico border or in San Francisco or New York to me.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 10, 2023, 07:32:45 am
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The Guardian Updates 2h ago 00.44 EST
Opening summary
Welcome to our rolling live coverage of the Israel-Gaza war – this is Adam Fulton and I’ll be with you for the next while.
Leading the headlines, Israeli forces are continuing their push into southern Gaza, where hundreds of thousands of civilians have fled in search of shelter from Israeli bombardments and fighting with Hamas militants.
Aid groups spoke of an “apocalyptic” humanitarian situation in the Palestinian territory, warning it is on the brink of being overwhelmed by disease and starvation.
Hamas, which runs Gaza, said on Sunday that Israel had launched a series of “very violent raids” targeting Gaza’s main southern city of Khan Younis and the road from there to Rafah, near the border with Egypt.
On Saturday, Israel ordered residents out of the centre of Khan Younis, including parts of the city centre that had not been subject to such orders before, as it pounded the length of the territory.
More on that story shortly. In other news as it nears 7.45am in Gaza City and Tel Aviv:
The Biden administration has used an emergency authority to sell about 14,000 tank shells to Israel without congressional review. The state department on Friday used an Arms Export Control Act emergency declaration for the tank rounds, worth $106.5m, for immediate delivery to Israel, the Pentagon said in a statement.
The UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) said it had only been able to distribute aid in a very small part of southern Gaza “because of the intensity of the fighting and the bombardment since the humanitarian pause stopped”. UNRWA’s deputy executive director, Carl Skau, said earlier: “About half the population in Gaza are starving … The humanitarian operation is collapsing. With the chaos with this active fighting it’s not possible to do the work that is needed.
The Israeli military says five of its soldiers have died in the war. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) named the five in a post on X and said four of them died in battle in southern Gaza and one succumbed to his wounds after fighting on 7 October.
A UN peacekeeping position in southern Lebanon was hit without causing casualties, the UN force said, adding it was seeking to verify the source of the fire. Lebanon’s national news agency reported that an “Israeli Merkava tank” targeted the UN interim force in Lebanon (Unifil) position near the border across from Metula in northern Israel on Saturday. An Israeli army spokeswoman said it : “did not aim at Unifil, we did not hit a Unifil position.”
Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu applauded the US for vetoing a UN security council resolution which called for a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza, where more than 17,700 Palestinians have been killed. Netanyahu said on Saturday: “I greatly appreciate the correct stance that the US has taken in the UN security council. Other countries need to understand that.” US secretary of state Antony Blinken has continued to speak with counterparts from Saudi Arabia, Turkey and elsewhere amid open criticism of the US opposition to an open-ended truce.
Israeli fighter jets “completed an attack on Lebanese territory during which targets of the terrorist organisation Hezbollah was attacked”, the Israeli Defense Forces’ spokesperson tweeted on Saturday. Daniel Hagari added: “Among the targets that were attacked, a number of military positions from which launches were made into the territory of the country, military sites where the organisation’s terrorists operated and other terrorist infrastructures.”
The Gulf Cooperation Council is holding Israel legally responsible for killing thousands of Palestinians in Gaza. The GCC countries said on Saturday that they had renewed their condemnation of the Israeli aggression on the Gaza strip and were holding Israel legally responsible for ongoing attacks that resulted in the deaths of thousands of civilians in Gaza.
Israeli forces shot and killed a 17-year-old Palestinian boy in the West Bank town of Azzun, in Qalqilya, on Saturday, according to the Palestinian health ministry. The boy has been identified as Mahmoud Abu Haniya by the Palestinian news agency Wafa. Local reports say Haniya was caught up in gunfire by an Israeli military unit and was fatally shot in the back.
Scotland’s first minister has criticised the UK government for its abstention in the United Arab Emirates-led UN security council resolution on Friday which called for an humanitarian ceasefire. Humza Yousaf tweeted on Saturday: “How can you choose to be complicit in the killing of thousands of children? Shame on the UK Government & Keir Starmer’s Labour Party who refuse to back a #CeasefireNow.”
More than 130 Palestinian families have been forcibly displaced from Bedouin communities by Israeli forces and extremist Israeli settlers in the West Bank since 7 October, the Palestinian foreign ministry has said. At least 260 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank by extremist Israeli settlers since then, Palestinian health minister Mai al-Kaila said.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 10, 2023, 07:35:32 am
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/358def38281f694ac86df2835f8de71d349f822b/0_0_5472_3283/master/5472.jpg?width=620&dpr=1&s=none) Firefights battle flames in a building hit by an Israeli strike in Khan Yunis, southern Gaza. The Guardian Updates
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 10, 2023, 07:54:16 am
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Britain abstains on UN vote demanding ceasefire in Gaza Independent/UK, Dec 9, 2023
Britain chose to abstain on a United Nations resolution demanding an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza that was only blocked by the US.
Thirteen of the 15-member security council voted in favour, but the action was blocked because of Washington’s veto on Friday.
UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres had warned of a “humanitarian catastrophe” in Gaza as he urged the nations to demand Israel stops the war.
He argued that Gaza is at “a breaking point”, that there is a serious threat of starvation and that there is a risk of “mass displacement into Egypt”.
Arab diplomats made direct appeals for Joe Biden’s administration to drop its opposition, but the US criticised the vote for failing to condemn Hamas’s bloodshed in Israel.
UK ambassador to the UN Dame Barbara Woodward said Britain backs “further and longer pauses” to get aid to Palestinians and to allow the release of Israeli hostages.
But she argued to the council that “we cannot vote in favour of a resolution which does not condemn the atrocities Hamas committed against innocent Israeli civilians” on October 7.
“Calling for a ceasefire ignores the fact that Hamas has committed acts of terror and is still holding civilians hostage,” she added, in explaining why Britain abstained.
Ziad Issa, head of humanitarian policy at ActionAid UK, said: “It is devastating to see the UK miss this critical opportunity to vote to call for a permanent ceasefire and end the unbearable suffering of 2.3 million people in Gaza.
“With aid operations no longer able to meaningfully function anywhere in the territory and infrastructure on the brink of collapse, now is the moment for international action. The scenes in Gaza have rightfully been described as apocalyptic. How much more death and destruction will it take before leaders put humanity first and decide enough is enough?”
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Post by: Elderberry on December 10, 2023, 12:32:35 pm
Ariel Oseran @ariel_oseran
Lebanese media reports at least 8 Israeli airstrikes and 60 artillery shells targeting the villages of Yaroun and Bint Jbeil in southern Lebanon.
Earlier, aerial infiltration alerts sounded in northern Israel, as Hezbollah says it launched drones at the border community of Ya’ara. No reports of injuries.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 10, 2023, 12:33:34 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · WATCH: The IDF is striking Hezbollah targets in Lebanese territory, destroying terrorist infrastructure, anti-tank missile launchers and compounds
Thousands of pro-Palestine protesters gathered in Parliament Square, London, on Saturday to call for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
The protesters marched from Bank Junction to Westminster, with many holding signs with the words “Free Palestine” and “End the siege”. Some protesters chanted: “One, two, three, four, occupation no more, five, six, seven, eight, Israel is a terrorist state.”
They also chanted the controversial slogan: “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.”
The Metropolitan police said that 13 protesters were arrested, mostly for offensive placards. Police said that one woman was arrested after the force’s specialist Voyager CCTV monitoring team identified her as being wanted for an offence that occurred at a previous protest on 28 October.
On Friday the UK abstained on a UN security council resolution demanding an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza, a motion that was vetoed by the US.
Lebanese-American Nadim Hussami, 44, said that the government should demand a ceasefire. “They should ask for an immediate ceasefire and not veto or abstain from UN security council resolutions,” he said.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 10, 2023, 06:54:18 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF
Hezbollah launched several rockets toward Israel last night, including from a point 20 meters away from a @UN compound in southern Lebanon. Additional launches have been made from the area toward Israel in recent days.
By continuing to fire at Israel from near a U.N. compound, Hezbollah endangers the lives of @UNIFIL_ personnel and continues to systematically violate UNSC Resolution 1701. UNIFIL Head of Mission and Force Commander @aroldo_lazaro was notified of the incident.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 10, 2023, 07:14:21 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender
Initial Reports that Israel has given the Lebanese Government and Military a “48-Hour Ultimatum” to begin Negotiations on an Agreement to return Hezbollah to their Positions which were agreed upon by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701, or else the IDF will launch a Military Operation to Destroy any and all Hezbollah Infrastructure in Southern Lebanon up to the Litani River.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 10, 2023, 07:19:09 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender
Israeli Officials have stated that they believe a Diplomatic Solution for the Situation of Hezbollah conducting Attacks on Israel for Southern Lebanon is Low.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 10, 2023, 08:33:22 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com
IDF looking into setting up new division in charge of Gaza after high-intensity warfare ends; this new force will manage pinpoint ops & limited raids into Gaza after IDF completes main battles vs. Hamas; no final decision yet. via @kann_news
Quote Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Israel plans to build new defenses on Gaza frontier; IDF will deploy surveillance gear & weapons systems on Gaza side of border, @N12News & @ynetalerts
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 10, 2023, 09:06:52 pm
Blinken: Sexual violence Hamas committed on Oct. 7 ‘beyond anything that I’ve seen’
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday the evidence of sexual violence committed by Hamas terrorists on Oct. 7 is "beyond anything that I've seen."
Appearing on CNN's "State of the Union ," Blinken was asked by host Jake Tapper why he thinks the United Nations and the international community have been so slow to condemn the atrocities, despite evidence mounting in Israel of rapes and sex crimes committed by Hamas against women and girls, and maybe even against men on Oct. 7.
"I've heard antisemitism hypothesized as a reason why the U.N. and the international community might be so slow to acknowledge this. What do you think?" Tapper asked.
Read the full article on Blinken's comments by Danielle Wallace Posted by Bradford Betz
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 10, 2023, 09:11:38 pm
Hamas threatens to kill all remaining hostages if demands are not met By Social Links for Ronny Reyes Published Dec. 10, 2023, 3:40 p.m. ET
Hamas on Sunday threatened to kill all of its remaining hostages if demands such as more aid for Gaza and prisoner exchanges were not met, after suffering repeated losses in its battle with Israel.
The Palestinian terror group is still holding the bodies of 20 hostages who died in captivity, Israel said over the weekend.
Abu Obeida, a spokesman for Hamas’ armed wing, claimed Sunday that not another single kidnap victim will leave Gaza alive unless Israel agrees to all its demands in negotiations that broke down at the start of December. At least some of those demands have been for more aid for Gaza residents and the freeing of Palestinian prisoners.
“Neither the fascist enemy and its arrogant leadership… nor its supporters… can take their prisoners alive without an exchange and negotiation and meeting the demands of the resistance,” Obeida said in a televised broadcast.
The ultimatum came as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said that of the 137 hostages believed to still be in Hamas custody, 20 are dead. More than 100 were freed in an aid and prisoner pact last month.
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/10/news/hamas-threatens-to-kill-all-remaining-hostages-if-demands-are-not-met/
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Post by: Elderberry on December 10, 2023, 09:22:05 pm
Blinken: Sexual violence Hamas committed on Oct. 7 ‘beyond anything that I’ve seen’
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday the evidence of sexual violence committed by Hamas terrorists on Oct. 7 is "beyond anything that I've seen."
Appearing on CNN's "State of the Union ," Blinken was asked by host Jake Tapper why he thinks the United Nations and the international community have been so slow to condemn the atrocities, despite evidence mounting in Israel of rapes and sex crimes committed by Hamas against women and girls, and maybe even against men on Oct. 7.
"I've heard antisemitism hypothesized as a reason why the U.N. and the international community might be so slow to acknowledge this. What do you think?" Tapper asked.
Read the full article on Blinken's comments by Danielle Wallace Posted by Bradford Betz
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Post by: libertybele on December 10, 2023, 09:34:08 pm
Netanyahu says Hamas terrorists surrendering to Israeli forces: ‘Beginning of the end’
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday called for Hamas fighters to surrender, declaring it the “beginning of the end” for the terrorist group.
"In recent days dozens of Hamas terrorists have been surrendering to our forces,” Netanyahu said in an on-camera statement while speaking in Hebrew. “They are laying down their weapons and handing themselves over to our heroic fighters.”
“It will take more time, the war is in full swing, but this is the beginning of the end for Hamas,” the prime minister continued. “I say to the Hamas terrorists: it is over. Don't die for Sinwar. Surrender - now."
Video circulating online shows footage showing dozens of detainees stripped to their underwear, hands in the air. Several held assault rifles above their heads, and one man walked forward and placed a gun on the ground.
Hamas threatens to kill all remaining hostages if demands are not met
Odd thing happened to me last night. I was thinking about this in my sleep - dreaming? - I don't know.
Anyway, what my brain was telling me is that there are NO remaining hostages. The hostages that were released were the remaining hostages who managed to survive somehow. All the other hostages have died from murder, torture, wounds, illness, or starvation. Hamas is the very last group on Earth to be concerned with keeping hostages alive or to deal with the Red Cross. To survive two months with them as a captive would require a direct miracle from God Almighty.
The reason Hamas stopped giving up hostages in exchange for time to rearm is that they simply ran-out of living hostages to release. Until Hamas provides "proof of life" (which I doubt they will ever do), Israel must consider all other hostages to be already dead and irretrievable. It is a terrible situation, but my sleeping brain tells me it is a correct analysis.
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Post by: libertybele on December 10, 2023, 09:39:46 pm
Odd thing happened to me last night. I was thinking about this in my sleep - dreaming? - I don't know.
Anyway, what my brain was telling me is that there are NO remaining hostages. The hostages that were released were the remaining hostages who managed to survive somehow. All the other hostages have died from murder, torture, wounds, illness, or starvation. Hamas is the very last group on Earth to be concerned with keeping hostages alive or to deal with the Red Cross. To survive two months with them as a captive would require a direct miracle from God Almighty.
The reason Hamas stopped giving up hostages in exchange for time to rearm is that they simply ran-out of living hostages to release. Until Hamas provides "proof of life", Israel must consider all other hostages to be already dead and irretrievable. It is a terrible situation, but my sleeping brain tells me it is a correct analysis.
I too believe that it is doubtful that there are any hostages held by Hamas that are alive.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 10, 2023, 11:53:38 pm
Top ex-Hamas minister blames Gaza ‘madmen’ for war, says Palestinians do not support them By Social Links for Ronny Reyes Published Dec. 10, 2023, 6:06 p.m. ET
A former top Hamas official says Gaza “madmen’’ including infamous leader Yahya Sinwar caused the war and that everyday Palestinians do not support them, according to a newly released interrogation video.
Yousef al-Mansi, an ex-communications minister for the Palestinian terror organization, surrendered to Israel — and proceeded to slam Sinwar as the boss of a group of crazies who threw the Jewish state and Gaza into horrific conflict again by orchestrating the Oct. 7 terrorist attack that killed more than 1,200 people, the Times of Israel reported.
“A madman threw a big stone,” al-Mansi said, summing it up for Israel’s Shin Bet interrogators in a video published Sunday.
“This is a group of madmen that Sinwar leads. They destroyed the Gaza Strip. Set it back 200 years,” he said.
Al-Mansi described Sinwar as a man who suffers “delusions of grandeur” and claimed that no civilians in Gaza support Hamas or its leadership after more than two months of war have devastated the Palestinian enclave.
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/10/news/ex-hamas-minister-blames-gaza-madmen-for-war-says-palestinians-do-not-support-them/
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 11, 2023, 12:01:52 am
Sure....
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 11, 2023, 01:59:34 am
Netanyahu says Hamas terrorists surrendering to Israeli forces: ‘Beginning of the end’
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday called for Hamas fighters to surrender, declaring it the “beginning of the end” for the terrorist group.
"In recent days dozens of Hamas terrorists have been surrendering to our forces,” Netanyahu said in an on-camera statement while speaking in Hebrew. “They are laying down their weapons and handing themselves over to our heroic fighters.”
“It will take more time, the war is in full swing, but this is the beginning of the end for Hamas,” the prime minister continued. “I say to the Hamas terrorists: it is over. Don't die for Sinwar. Surrender - now."
Video circulating online shows footage showing dozens of detainees stripped to their underwear, hands in the air. Several held assault rifles above their heads, and one man walked forward and placed a gun on the ground.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 11, 2023, 01:10:24 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'Israel had emphasized to the U.S that every time we withdrew before time, we lost out deterrence... The Palestinian Authority won't be able to run Gaza,'
Frmr. Security Coordinator with the PA Col. (Res) Moshe Elad talks about the plans for the 'Day After'
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 11, 2023, 03:22:48 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 1h Israeli estimate: 3-4 years needed to rebuild & stabilize Gaza after war; million residents with no homes left will require temporary housing, @WallaNews reports. Hamas brought disaster to Gaza.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 11, 2023, 03:24:01 pm
THAT'S RIGHT! If a Muslim is killed by a female, they do not go to Valhalla to get their mead and virgins.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 11, 2023, 07:48:20 pm
Biden administration ‘concerned’ about reported Israeli use of white phosphorus: Kirby by Alex Gangitano - 12/11/23 2:02 PM ET
White House national security spokesman John Kirby said the Biden administration is concerned about new reports that Israel used white phosphorus munitions supplied by the United States in an attack in Lebanon.
“We’ve seen the reports, certainly concerned about that. We’ll be asking questions to try to learn a little bit more,” Kirby told reporters.
The Washington Post reported Monday that U.S.-supplied white phosphorus was used by Israeli forces in an October attack in southern Lebanon that injured at least nine civilians.
“I do think it’s important to remind that white phosphorus does have a legitimate military utility … and obviously, anytime that we provide items like white phosphorus to another military, it is with the full expectation that it would be used in keeping with those legitimate purposes and in keeping with the laws of armed conflict,” Kirby added.
White phosphorus, a waxlike chemical substance that ignites when encountering oxygen, is usually not considered a chemical weapon, but human rights groups regularly criticize its use in warfare.
more https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4354076-biden-administration-concerned-about-reported-israeli-use-of-white-phosphorous-kirby/
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 11, 2023, 07:59:18 pm
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IDF, switch to a different color phosphorous. You're not supposed to use white phosphorous after Labor Day.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 11, 2023, 08:34:11 pm
Americans forces in Middle East attacked at least 90 times since Oct. 7: U.S. official
A senior U.S. defense official told Fox News that American bases in the Middle East were attacked twice on Monday, bringing the total number of attacks to at least 90 since October 17.
The incidents happened in Iraq and Syria. A one-way attack drone was shot down near Al-Asad Airbase in Iraq, where no injuries or damage were reported.
In a different incident, a multi-rocket attack was launched at the patrol base in al-Shaddadi, Syria. No injuries or damage to infrastructure were reported.
Fox News Digital's Jennifer Griffin contributed to this report. Posted by Andrea Vacchiano
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 11, 2023, 08:35:41 pm
Mike Pompeo on Biden admin's reluctance to target Iran: 'Weakness begets war'
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 11, 2023, 08:38:43 pm
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 14m IDF achieves breakthrough in medical response by deploying high number of doctors & paramedics in Gaza, arranging rapid evacuations from battlefield; wounded soldiers arrive at Israeli hospitals within 76 minutes on average, less than an hour in some cases. via @WallaNews
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 1h Mossad deployed worldwide on unprecedented scale since October 7 to protect Israelis & Jews, counter Iranian terror plots. via @Jerusalem_Post
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Post by: Free Vulcan on December 11, 2023, 08:41:18 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 1h Israeli estimate: 3-4 years needed to rebuild & stabilize Gaza after war; million residents with no homes left will require temporary housing, @WallaNews reports. Hamas brought disaster to Gaza.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 11, 2023, 10:36:56 pm
Israel Defense Minister: Hamas’ Northern Battalions Surrendering, Near Collapse
The Hamas battalions in the northern Gaza Strip are near collapse, with many terrorists surrendering and providing intelligence to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), said defense minister Yoav Gallant on Monday.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/11/israel-defense-minister-hamas-northern-battalions-surrendering-near-collapse/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 11, 2023, 11:40:06 pm
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Post by: Elderberry on December 12, 2023, 12:34:14 am
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · Why is the world silent over the conditions of #Hamas captives?
'This international community is biased and, it is controlled by what we call the Arab majority...we have no chance to get justice and basic human rights for our people' Former Ambassador @DannyAyalon says
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Post by: Elderberry on December 12, 2023, 12:37:04 am
Israel Defense Forces @IDF A mosque or an RPG training center?
IDF soldiers uncovered a room used for RPG training of terrorists inside a mosque in Jabalya. Nahal Brigade soldiers also found many weapons including rifles, grenades, cartridges—some of them inside UNRWA bags; all for carrying out terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians.
White House national security spokesman John Kirby said the Biden administration is concerned about new reports that Israel used white phosphorus munitions supplied by the United States in an attack in Lebanon.
I would be upset if they weren't using it.
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Post by: 240B on December 12, 2023, 02:02:19 am
Mixed feelings. Those phosphorus munitions are really very, very, nasty. Use with extreme caution and discretion. BTW: Russia dropped phosphorus munitions on heavily populated civilian areas in Ukraine, with no outcry from anyone.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 12, 2023, 12:42:14 pm
Decoding Disaster: The Psychological Aspects of The Intelligence Failure That Led to October 7th
Dec 12, 2023 ISRAEL
Dr. Ofer Grosbard, a Clinical Psychologist, breaks down The Psychological Aspect of The Intelligence Failure That Led to October 7th with i24NEWS Senior Editor, Guy Azriel
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Post by: mountaineer on December 12, 2023, 01:24:41 pm
It was 2 am and IDF soldiers noticed some suspicious movements in the horizon. In a time of war, that would generally mean to open fire. But the IDF, being the IDF, waited and then noticed it was a kid, a 4 year old girl. ...
The IDF soldiers took her to the field doctor, they treated her wounds and helped her in every way they could. ... Turns out, the child was sent by Hamas into the heart of a war zone to see if the Israeli soldiers were up and alert. https://twitter.com/HilzFuld/status/1734210817829052694
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 02:44:54 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 02:45:21 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 47m Launches from Lebanon continue: Rockets, anti-tank missiles & drones target northern Israel, @N12News reports; at least 1 impact reported; IDF response coming up.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 12, 2023, 03:10:16 pm
Sounds like Iran wants Whoop-Ass for Christmas.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 12, 2023, 05:10:24 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
'We have to show the evidence. We have to show the world why we have to do it and how we do it'
Frmr. IDF Special Forces Commander Lt. Col. (res.) Doron Avital (@da64) breaks down the concerns over fighting in civilian structures such as hospitals, mosques, and homes
It was 2 am and IDF soldiers noticed some suspicious movements in the horizon. In a time of war, that would generally mean to open fire. But the IDF, being the IDF, waited and then noticed it was a kid, a 4 year old girl. ...
The IDF soldiers took her to the field doctor, they treated her wounds and helped her in every way they could. ... Turns out, the child was sent by Hamas into the heart of a war zone to see if the Israeli soldiers were up and alert. https://twitter.com/HilzFuld/status/1734210817829052694
88devil
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Post by: Elderberry on December 12, 2023, 06:28:16 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF
The bodies of Eden Zakaria and CSM Ziv Dado, who were taken hostage by Hamas terrorists on Oct 7, have been recovered by our Special Forces.
27-year-old Eden was taken hostage from the Re’im music festival.
36-year-old CSM Ziv served as a logistics supervisor in the Golani Brigade’s 51st Battalion.
Locating the missing and bringing the hostages home is a national mission. We are working with all security agencies, intelligence and operational means to fulfill it. 1/2
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 07:00:20 pm
Iran warns of 'explosion' in Middle East if war in Gaza continues: report Iran proxies have launched 90 attacks on US bases and troops since Oct 17 By Peter Aitken Fox News Published December 12, 2023 11:55am EST
Iran’s foreign minister has warned that the war in Gaza could lead to a "big explosion" of conflicts in the Middle East, with Lebanon and Yemen already "involved" and more countries poised to join.
"At least every week, we receive a message from the U.S. telling us that U.S. bases in Syria and Iraq are targeted by some groups," Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian told the Doha Forum on Monday.
"At any moment, there is a possibility of a big explosion in the region, one not controllable by any party," he explained via translator.
The ominous warning follows the U.S. veto of a United Nations Security Council resolution to seek an immediate cease-fire. U.S. Deputy Permanent Representative Robert A. Wood called the demand for an unconditional cease-fire "dangerous" and "a recipe for disaster for Israel, for Palestinians and for the entire region." The U.K. abstained from voting.
more https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-warns-explosion-middle-east-war-gaza-continues-report
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 07:18:08 pm
R A W S A L E R T S @rawsalerts · 4m 🚨#BREAKING: Israel's military has begun to pump seawater into Hamas' tunnels in Gaza
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 07:20:47 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 07:23:27 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 5m ❗️Israel starts pumping seawater into Gaza terror tunnels, according to US officials; IDF declines to comment, says tunnel ops classified. via @WSJ
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Post by: Wingnut on December 12, 2023, 07:48:02 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 5m ❗️Israel starts pumping seawater into Gaza terror tunnels, according to US officials; IDF declines to comment, says tunnel ops classified. via @WSJ
From the Sea to the river!
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 12, 2023, 07:50:31 pm
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 12, 2023, 09:01:58 pm
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Nearly 1/5 of Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza died due to friendly fire and other accidents, IDF says NBC, Dec 12, 2023
TEL AVIV — About one-fifth of Israeli soldiers killed during Israel's ground offensive in the Gaza Strip, which began in late October, died from friendly fire and other accidents, the Israel Defense Forces said Tuesday.
At least 105 Israeli soldiers have died since the military began ground operations began in Gaza, an IDF spokesperson said. At least 20 of those deaths were caused by "accidents," they said.
Of those 20 deaths, 13 were caused by friendly fire, or internal fire from the military's own troops. Six were caused by other accidents related to "weaponry, machinery, trampling," they said. At least one death was caused by firing irregularities.
The incidents of soldiers killed by friendly fire were due to mistaken identification in airstrikes, tank shelling and gunfire, the Times of Israel separately reported.
One soldier was killed in gunfire that was not intended to hit them, the outlet reported, while another two were killed in accidental misfires.
Two soldiers, according to the Times, were killed in incidents involving armored vehicles running over troops, and two others were killed by shrapnel, including from explosives set off by Israeli forces.
An IDF spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for further information on the deaths and any injuries related to accidents.
The IDF has said it is constantly assessing the ongoing fighting in Gaza, including the cases of friendly fire, the Times of Israel reported.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 09:04:29 pm
Israel Now Faces at Least 5 Enemies on 5 Fronts
The State of Israel is fighting the Palestinian Hamas terror organization in Gaza, but that is just one front in an ongoing war against terror groups and their sponsors. In fact, Israel currently faces at least five enemies on five fronts.
1. Hamas – Gaza and the West Bank. Israel has invaded Gaza and is determined to destroy Hamas’s capabilities there. But Hamas also has terror cells in the West Bank, and they have carried out several attacks in the weeks since the war started.
2. Hezbollah – Lebanon. The Iranian-backed terror group Hezbollah has been launching sporadic attacks on Israel’s northern region since Hamas attacked Israel on October 7. Israel has kept its response restrained, but faces the prospect of a broader war.
3. Syria. Syria has been formally in a state of war with Israel for decades. Russia and Iran have turned Syria into a puppet after intervening for Bashar al-Assad in the Syrian civil war, and there have been attacks on Israel from across the Syrian border.
4. Houthis – Yemen. Iran backs the Houthi rebels — whom President Joe Biden delisted as a terror group in 2021 — and they have been firing missiles and launching drones against Israel, as well as seizing ships and threatening Red Sea shipping lanes.
5. Iran. Iran is the force behind all of the terror groups and client states attacking Israel; the rest of the Arab world had been moving toward peace with the Jewish state, under the Abraham Accords. Meanwhile, Iran continues to pursue nuclear weapons.
The list could be longer, since there are Iranian-backed militias in Iraq that are attacking U.S. forces as a proxy for Israeli targets.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/12/israel-now-faces-at-least-5-enemies-on-5-fronts/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 09:10:09 pm
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Post by: Elderberry on December 12, 2023, 09:12:39 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · PM Netanyahu delivers a speech following reports that the U.S. and Israel disagree on what the day after the war will look like in #Gaza
Realizing this is the homestretch of "THREAD 8", I'm sure more than one of us immediately suggested this very solution to render the tunnels useless.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 12, 2023, 09:36:43 pm
Good. A Great Flood worked for God, maybe another great flood will work for IDF.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 10:08:16 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 7m Looks like Hamas leaders have started the great escape from Mossad. According to unconfirmed reports earlier today, Qatar can no longer guarantee their safety.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 10:14:40 pm
Square profile picture Israel War Room @IsraelWarRoom · 2h #BREAKING: Initial reports suggests that top Hamas brass in Qatar have been told to leave for Algeria, as their security can no longer be guaranteed.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 10:16:44 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 11:31:33 pm
U.N. Holds Panel Accusing Israel – and U.S. – of Genocide for Fighting Hamas
The United Nations hosted a panel discussion on Tuesday in which panelists accused the state of Israel of genocide.
The panel, taking place on the sidelines of expected United Nations General Assembly discussions, was titled, “War on Gaza: the Responsibility to Prevent Genocide” and was organized by the “Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People.” It convened panelists arguing that statements against Hamas by Israeli government officials and operations in urban areas in Gaza fulfilled the legal requirements of the definition of genocide.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/12/u-n-holds-panel-accusing-israel-u-s-genocide-fighting-hamas/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 12, 2023, 11:35:35 pm
Israeli Doctor: Hamas Committed Sexual Abuse, Psychological Torture; Drugged Kids
An Israeli doctor is adding to growing accounts of torture and abuse by Hamas terrorists against Israeli hostages, telling the media that she has found evidence of sexual abuse, psychological torture, and forced medication with powerful drugs.
The Times of Israel spoke to Dr. Renana Eitan, head psychiatrist at a prominent Tel Aviv hospital, on Tuesday:
“The physical, sexual, mental, psychological abuse of these hostages who came back is just terrible,” she added. “We have to rewrite the textbook.”
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The hospital has been treating 14 former hostages held by Hamas, some of whom reported being drugged, including with what doctors believe were benzodiazepines, a class of depressants with a sedative effect that includes drugs like Valium.
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“One of the girls was given ketamine for a few weeks,” she continued, referring to a powerful dissociative anesthetic known for giving the recipient a sense of detachment from their environment.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/12/israeli-doctor-hamas-committed-sexual-abuse-psychological-torture-drugged-kids/
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Post by: 240B on December 12, 2023, 11:48:01 pm
U.N. Holds Panel Accusing Israel – and U.S. – of Genocide for Fighting Hamas
Refer the U.N. to American colleges. Some of the top colleges in America just declared that 'genocide' is OK with them. (as long as it is 'good' genocide and not 'bad' genocide)
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Post by: Elderberry on December 13, 2023, 12:15:21 am
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · Hundreds of additional Hamas Terrorists have Surrendered and been Captured by Israeli Forces over the last 24-48 Hours in the Gaza Strip; many of them will soon be Transported to Prisoner of War Camps and Prisons within Israel.
OSINTdefender @sentdefender Senior Hamas Officials in Qatar and Lebanon have reportedly begun to Disappear within the past week, with Qatari Sources claiming that they have left for “Unknown Destinations” and that since that they have been Unreachable by Cell Phone; Saleh al-Arouri, a Senior Leader of Hamas and Founder of the Al-Qassam Brigades has also not been heard from since he Suddenly Departed from his Residence in Beirut, Lebanon several days ago.
Hoping Mossad got 'em.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 13, 2023, 03:35:39 am
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Images of stripped, bound Gazans prompt concern; Israeli official: Won’t happen anymore Times of Israel, Dec 10, 2023
Images of Palestinian men in Gaza being rounded up by troops and stripped to their underwear in recent days have sparked concerns about Israel’s arrest procedures in the enclave and questions over possible rights violations or humiliating treatment.
A number of pictures and videos that have leaked online in recent days show dozens of semi-naked Palestinian men being arrested. In some pictures, the detainees are being forced to sit or kneel on the ground in the open, sometimes blindfolded, while others show groups being marched with their hands in restraints or alleged fighters handing over weapons.
But the military has also indicated that many of those it detained were later released, and officials have indicated that soldiers may be operating under a guideline of arrest first and question later.
On Sunday evening, Tzachi Hanegbi, Israel’s national security adviser, said suspects need to be searched to ensure they are not carrying weapons or explosives, but that the pictures of them in their underwear “serve nobody” and that he expected the distribution by Israel of such photos would cease.
IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari explained the arrest procedure in detail later Sunday, but also said the humiliating photos were not distributed by his office, and that troops would change the arrest procedure in cases where it was not being properly followed.
The Israeli military has confirmed arresting hundreds, claiming that Hamas members are surrendering in high numbers, as the terror group collapses under the army’s campaign to crush it.
Rep. Elise Slotkin, a Michigan Democrat with a long career in the CIA and Pentagon, said that she could not remember similar scenes coming out of Iraq, when the US faced a similar challenge there following its invasion in 2003.
“It’s part of this bigger conversation of how do you determine the difference between a civilian and a militant in an extremely crowded place,” she told CNN. “It’s one of the most difficult things to do, and therefore requires extreme care on the part of the military that’s launching these operations.”
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Post by: Elderberry on December 13, 2023, 12:05:28 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'They're sending the wrong signals to the enemy,' Frmr. IDF intelligence officer Raphaël Jerusalmy discusses the American pressure on Israel
'There is one huge monster, one axis of evil building up... This terror machine has to be fought globally,' he adds
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Post by: Elderberry on December 13, 2023, 12:18:31 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 🔴IDF, Shin Bet operated in West Bank's Jenin in an activity that lasted over 30 hours
Security forces have searched over 400 buildings, detained hundreds of suspects, confiscated weapons and ammunition, and destroyed terrorist infrastructure
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · IDF casualties spike up after Israel-Hamas ceasefire, paying a higher price for its gains on the battleground
'You need to ask yourself whether the price is worth it, if every target is justifying the heavy price of human life we pay,' says @HabithonistimEn Or Yissachar
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Post by: Elderberry on December 13, 2023, 12:26:26 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · How is the international community impacting Israel's ability to defend itself?
'Israel has been condemned more frequently in the @Uncle Hambone than all other countries in the world combined' @DrMichaelOren, Former Israeli Ambassador to the U.S., says
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 13, 2023, 01:16:35 pm
This could all end now if Hamas surrendered and released its hostages.
It's not Israel's fault that Hamas thought it could mess with the bull and not get the horns.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 13, 2023, 01:27:14 pm
Video game available to your kiddies proposes killing all the Jews in Jerusalem. https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1734710908755062820
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Post by: mountaineer on December 13, 2023, 02:38:18 pm
Massive aid convoy drives through Gaza, hijacked by Hamas terrorists. One of the terrorists on top of a truck fires live ammunition at desperate civilians. https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1734922926808310225
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 13, 2023, 02:54:10 pm
Joe Biden’s Backstabbing Dents Israeli Morale
Joel B. Pollak 13 Dec 2023
President Joe Biden might have thought he was only talking to a small group of wealthy donors. But his disparaging comments, published Tuesday, about Israel and the Israeli government have dented national morale — and cheered Israel’s enemies.
Biden claimed, without evidence, that Israel practices “indiscriminate bombing”; that Israel is losing support around the world; and that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will fail unless he boots democratically-elected right-wing parties out of his cabinet.
Two factors made Biden’s comments even worse.
One was that he was speaking to an ostensibly pro-Israel group of donors, led by Lee Rosenberg, a former chair of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
Rosenberg was tapped for the job during the Obama years, when it was hoped that he could use his shared Chicago ties with Barack Obama to moderate some of Obama’s left-wing policies. That hope was dashed as Obama grew hostile to Israel, and began cozying up to the Iranian regime.
The other factor is that Israel has been absorbing a series of bad-news stories lately, most of all about the deaths of hostages in Hamas custody, and about the deaths of elite soldiers who are fighting in Gaza to free them.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/13/joe-bidens-backstabbing-dents-israeli-morale/
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Post by: catfish1957 on December 13, 2023, 03:00:47 pm
I know I came to the conclusion long ago, that it is impossible to F up a presidency this badly, but the bar by now should be near the earth's core.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 13, 2023, 03:41:30 pm
Israeli army has begun pumping seawater into Hamas tunnels in Gaza: report By Social Links for Yaron Steinbuch Published Dec. 13, 2023, 7:22 a.m. ET
Israel has begun pumping seawater into Hamas’ tunnels in Gaza as part of the military’s plan to destroy the terror group’s vast underground network, where many of the hostages are still believed to be held, according to a report.
The water from the Mediterranean is one of several measures the Israel Defense Forces is using to clear and decimate the miles of intertwined tunnels, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday, citing unnamed US officials.
Earlier this month, the outlet reported that the tactic was under “consideration” after the IDF had built at least five pumps about a mile north of the Al-Shati refugee camp that could be used to draw the seawater to flush out the tunnels.
The flooding began around the time Israel added two more pumps to the five and the IDF conducted some initial tests, US officials told the Journal.
The pumping is in an early stage and its effectiveness is still being studied, the Journal reported, adding that other tactics include airstrikes, liquid explosives, and the dispatch of dogs, drones and robots into the tunnels.
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/13/news/israeli-army-begins-pumping-seawater-into-hamas-tunnels-report/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 13, 2023, 03:58:19 pm
Ten Israeli soldiers aged 19 to 35, including a high-ranking battalion commander, are killed and three injured in worst loss of life for the IDF in a single incident since Gaza war broke out
Servicemen were killed in a battle in the Shajaiya neighbourhood of Gaza City
By Kamal Sultan For Mailonline
Published: 00:50 EST, 13 December 2023 | Updated: 05:43 EST, 13 December 2023
Ten Israeli soldiers, including a high-ranking official, were killed while fighting Hamas forces in the Gaza strip yesterday.
Lieutenant Colonel Tomer Grinberg, 35, Major Roei Meldasi, 23, Major Moshe Avram Bar-On, 23, Sergeant Achia Daskal, 19, Captain Liel Hayo, 22, Major Ben Shelly, 26, Major Rom Hecht, 20, Sergeant Oriya Yaakov, 19, Eran Aloni, 19, and Itzhak Ben Basat, 24, died amid battles in Gaza City's Shajaiya neighbourhood.
Several of the servicemen were killed by an explosive device, while the remaining soldiers were gunned down by Hamas fighters after being cut off from the rest of their troop, according to Israeli media.
It marks the worst loss of life in a single day for the Israeli Defense Forces since they launched their operation in response to Hamas' ruthless October 7 attacks.
At least 115 Israeli soldiers have died since ground operations began in Gaza in late October.
But 18,412 Palestinians have been killed during the Israeli attacks since the war began, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
more https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12858091/israeli-soldiers-killed-gaza-idf-hamas.html
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Post by: Wingnut on December 13, 2023, 07:56:00 pm
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But 18,412 Palestinians have been killed during the Israeli attacks since the war began, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
Hey Rocky watch me pull a number of deaths out of my hat>
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Post by: 240B on December 13, 2023, 08:07:21 pm
Hey Rocky watch me pull a number of deaths out of my hat>
Exactly. Also, all of them died because of Hamas, not Israel. Israel does not want to be there. Israel is only there because Hamas forced Israel to defend itself. Israel would leave today if they thought they would be safe.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 13, 2023, 08:58:02 pm
WATCH: Kirby Tries to Clean Up Biden’s Claim of ‘Indiscriminate Bombing’
White House national security aide John Kirby tried to clean up President Joe Biden’s claim Tuesday that Israel has engaged in “indiscriminate bombing,” telling reporters Wednesday that Biden was expressing concern about civilian casualties in general.
Joel B. Pollak 13 Dec 2023
White House national security aide John Kirby tried to clean up President Joe Biden’s claim Tuesday that Israel has engaged in “indiscriminate bombing,” telling reporters Wednesday that Biden was expressing concern about civilian casualties in general.
Kirby faced a barrage of questions from journalists about Biden’s statement, made to wealthy donors behind closed doors in Washington, DC, just hours after he had expressed public solidarity with Israel at the annual White House Hanukkah party.
Biden’s claim was picked up immediately by anti-Israel groups and foreign media. Israel has pushed back hard against Biden’s claim, telling reporters in at least two press conferences that it takes every possible step to avoid Palestinian civilian casualties.
Journalists asked Kirby whether, if Biden believed that Israel engaged in “indiscriminate bombing,” the U.S. would apply new restrictions on the use of American military aid, or whether the administration believed Israel had engaged in war crimes.
Kirby tried to defuse the inquiries, claiming that Biden had simply been worried about the effect of civilian casualties on Israel’s image in the world. He added that the administration continued to urge Israel to be careful about Palestinian civilians.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/13/watch-kirby-tries-to-clean-up-bidens-claim-of-indiscriminate-bombing/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 13, 2023, 08:59:45 pm
Blinken ‘Welcomes’ Iraq PM’s Vow to Do Something About U.S. Embassy Attack
Secretary of State Antony Blinken “welcomed” remarks by the Prime Minister of Iraq that he would investigate an attack on the U.S. embassy.
Sudani made the remarks during a phone call with Blinken on Tuesday.
Terrorists believed to be aligned with and funded by the government of Iran launched a rocket attack on Baghdad’s “Green Zone,” the fortified area where the American embassy and other critical government buildings are located, on Friday. It was the first such attack on the embassy in Baghdad since October 7, when the Sunni jihadist organization Hamas launched an unprecedented assault on Israel, killing an estimated 1,200 people, abducting around 240 others, and engaging in wanton acts of torture, gang rape, murder of children, and desecration of the dead.
Hamas is closely affiliated with Iran, the world’s preeminent state sponsor of terrorism. According to a State Department report, Hamas and another regional terrorist group, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, receive around $100 million a year from Tehran’s coffers. Other terrorist groups in Iran’s orbit – prominently Yemen’s Ansar Allah, or the Houthi movement, which has launched a campaign to interfere with international trade by attacking ships they believe are bound for Israel – Islamic Jihad, the Lebanese Hezbollah, and a collection of Iran-backed Iran groups identifying as the “Islamic Resistance in Iraq” have also engaged in activities meant to harm Israel or its top international ally, the United States.
The United States has faced at least 92 attacks in Iraq and Syria at the hand of jihadist groups sympathetic to Hamas since October 17, which injured at least 66 American service personnel, according to the Kurdish outlet Rudaw.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/13/blinken-welcomes-iraq-pm-vow-do-something-about-u-s-embassy-attack/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 13, 2023, 09:01:06 pm
Netanyahu: ‘We Will Destroy Hamas’ Regardless of ‘International Pressures’
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told soldiers on Wednesday that Israel “will destroy Hamas” regardless of “international pressures.”
Netanyahu made his comments in conversation with Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers, a day after the United Nations General Assembly passed a non-binding resolution demanding a ceasefire in Gaza, and after U.S. President Joe Biden criticized Israel for what he called, without evidence, “indiscriminate bombing.”
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/13/netanyahu-we-will-destroy-hamas-regardless-of-international-pressures/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 13, 2023, 09:03:01 pm
Hamas Thanks United Nations; Best Day for Terror Group Since October 7
Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, who has become a billionaire while living in comfortable exile, thanked the United Nations (UN) on Wednesday for a General Assembly vote that demanded a ceasefire in Gaza, without condemning the terrorist organization.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/13/hamas-thanks-united-nations-best-day-for-terror-group-since-october-7/
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Post by: libertybele on December 13, 2023, 09:29:17 pm
Hamas Thanks United Nations; Best Day for Terror Group Since October 7
Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, who has become a billionaire while living in comfortable exile, thanked the United Nations (UN) on Wednesday for a General Assembly vote that demanded a ceasefire in Gaza, without condemning the terrorist organization.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/13/hamas-thanks-united-nations-best-day-for-terror-group-since-october-7/
Hamas thanking the U.N. speaks volumes as to the worth of the U.N. The U.S. needs to get out of the U.N. now! If Hamas is not a terrorist organization then who is??? I wonder what the U.N.'s definition of a terrorist organization is. What are the qualifications needed to be considered a terrorist organization -- one that only fits their playbook as needed to fulfill their agenda?
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 13, 2023, 10:56:14 pm
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Post by: 240B on December 14, 2023, 12:18:05 am
Hamas killers are carrying children and using them as literal human shields during gun battles, Israel claims, as IDF release footage of terrorists beating Gaza civilians and stealing aid
By ANDY JEHRING ON PALMACHIM AIRBASE, ISRAEL PUBLISHED: 09:36 EST, 13 December 2023
EXCLUSIVE - The Daily Mail has spoken to three IDF drone operators deployed in Gaza mission
One of the pilots witnessed the horrors of October 7 from her drone monitor
Hamas terrorists have been caught breaking every rule of engagement in the book from clutching children as they shoot, dressing as women and firing from mosques, Israeli drone pilots have claimed.
As the civilian death toll mounts, UAV operators have given a unique insight into the atrocities they are witnessing on the ground.
Extremists have learnt to exploit their strict rules of engagement with barbaric cynicism leaving IDF forces with impossible decisions.
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · Follow IDF casualties spike up after Israel-Hamas ceasefire, paying a higher price for its gains on the battleground
'You need to ask yourself whether the price is worth it, if every target is justifying the heavy price of human life we pay,' says @HabithonistimEn Or Yissachar
Israel is paying a higher price BECAUSE OF the cease fire. Hamas was on the brink of capitulation. But the cease fire allowed them to bring in more supplies, improve their defensive positions, redeploy militants to block the advances they didn't expect, and set up ambushes. The blood of these Israeli deaths is on the hands of every idiot who called for a time-out so Hamas could regroup.
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Post by: libertybele on December 14, 2023, 02:28:20 am
Israel is paying a higher price BECAUSE OF the cease fire. Hamas was on the brink of capitulation. But the cease fire allowed them to bring in more supplies, improve their defensive positions, redeploy militants to block the advances they didn't expect, and set up ambushes. The blood of these Israeli deaths is on the hands of every idiot who called for a time-out so Hamas could regroup.
Agreed...not only Israel, but the western world including the U.S. is now more in the crosshairs as well ... we cannot forget that
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Post by: Elderberry on December 14, 2023, 02:19:50 pm
U.S. delaying sale of M16 rifles to Israel over settler violence
AXIOS by Barak Ravid 12/13/2023
The Biden administration is again holding up the licenses for selling more than 20,000 U.S.-made rifles to Israel over concerns about attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian civilians in the occupied West Bank, two U.S. officials told Axios. Why it matters: The decision to send the rifle deal for another review by the State Department signals the Biden administration remains concerned the Israeli government isn't doing enough to curb violence by extremist settlers.
Catch up quick: Israel in the first week of the war requested the rifles for civilian initial response teams in Israeli villages close to the borders with Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. Those teams of local residents receive weapons and training from the Israeli police in order to be first responders in case of a terror attack.
• The Israeli request was treated with caution by the Biden administration because of concerns Itamar Ben Gvir, the ultra-nationalist minister of national security who oversees the police, would distribute the rifles to extremist settlers in the West Bank, according to U.S. officials.
• The Biden administration and Congress approved the export licenses for U.S. defense companies only after being assured the weapons wouldn't go to civilian teams in Jewish settlements.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 14, 2023, 02:21:40 pm
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attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian civilians in the occupied West Bank
Sometimes known as self-defense.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 14, 2023, 02:44:41 pm
Scoop: U.S. delaying sale of M16 rifles to Israel over settler violence headshot
Barak Ravid
The Biden administration is again holding up the licenses for selling more than 20,000 U.S.-made rifles to Israel over concerns about attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian civilians in the occupied West Bank, two U.S. officials told Axios.
Why it matters: The decision to send the rifle deal for another review by the State Department signals the Biden administration remains concerned the Israeli government isn't doing enough to curb violence by extremist settlers.
Catch up quick: Israel in the first week of the war requested the rifles for civilian initial response teams in Israeli villages close to the borders with Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. Those teams of local residents receive weapons and training from the Israeli police in order to be first responders in case of a terror attack.
The Israeli request was treated with caution by the Biden administration because of concerns Itamar Ben Gvir, the ultra-nationalist minister of national security who oversees the police, would distribute the rifles to extremist settlers in the West Bank, according to U.S. officials. The Biden administration and Congress approved the export licenses for U.S. defense companies only after being assured the weapons wouldn't go to civilian teams in Jewish settlements.
more https://www.axios.com/2023/12/13/us-israel-rifle-sale-delay-west-bank-violence
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 14, 2023, 03:21:58 pm
Scoop: U.S. delaying sale of M16 rifles to Israel over settler violence headshot
Barak Ravid
The Biden administration is again holding up the licenses for selling more than 20,000 U.S.-made rifles to Israel over concerns about attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian civilians in the occupied West Bank, two U.S. officials told Axios.
Why it matters: The decision to send the rifle deal for another review by the State Department signals the Biden administration remains concerned the Israeli government isn't doing enough to curb violence by extremist settlers.
Catch up quick: Israel in the first week of the war requested the rifles for civilian initial response teams in Israeli villages close to the borders with Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. Those teams of local residents receive weapons and training from the Israeli police in order to be first responders in case of a terror attack.
The Israeli request was treated with caution by the Biden administration because of concerns Itamar Ben Gvir, the ultra-nationalist minister of national security who oversees the police, would distribute the rifles to extremist settlers in the West Bank, according to U.S. officials. The Biden administration and Congress approved the export licenses for U.S. defense companies only after being assured the weapons wouldn't go to civilian teams in Jewish settlements.
more https://www.axios.com/2023/12/13/us-israel-rifle-sale-delay-west-bank-violence
LOL! As if the Israeli military doesn't already have the where with all to manufacture
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Post by: Wingnut on December 14, 2023, 03:28:37 pm
Or use the ones the found in those Hamas honeyholes.
LOL! Forgot about Kabul. :beer:
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 14, 2023, 03:45:30 pm
Released Hostage Blows the Lid off Terror Apologists' Claims That Israeli Women Were Not Raped by Hamas By Jeff Charles | 8:56 PM on December 13, 2023
Remember when the anti-Israel left went into full spin mode after it was revealed that Hamas terrorists had raped Israeli women they had taken hostage on October 7? The formerly #MeToo crowd quickly switched it up to #MeWho?
High-profile progressives eagerly played the role of Hamas apologists, responding to the news by either downplaying the sexual violence against Israeli women or denying it altogether. But now, a survivor of the attacks and kidnappings is speaking up, and her experience is going to put the pro-Hamas crowd in a tricky situation.
A recently released Hamas hostage's revelation of sexual violence against her fellow captives appears to refute anti-Israel progressives who tend to downplay or dismiss terrorists' atrocities.
Chen Goldstein-Almog, 48, was held hostage by Hamas with three of her children for 51 days following the Palestinian terrorist group's Oct. 7 attack on Israelis.
Her husband and eldest daughter were murdered by Palestinian terrorists during the attack.
more https://redstate.com/jeffc/2023/12/13/hamas-survivor-blows-the-lid-off-terrorist-apologists-claiming-israeli-women-were-not-sexually-assaulted-n2167531
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 14, 2023, 03:48:14 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 1h ❗️Mossad confirms: 7 terror suspects linked to Hamas arrested in Denmark, attacks foiled; earlier reports said terror plot targeted Israelis & Jews. via @N12News & @ynetalerts
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 14, 2023, 04:10:59 pm
Hamas Waves White Flag: Maybe We Could Recognize Israel? Update: Retreat? Ed Morrissey 9:21 AM on December 14, 2023
Looks like the Banned on the Run finally got the message. With the IDF closing in on Hamas’ Gaza leadership in a Khan Younis bunker and their international sheiks now on the run from the Mossad, it has begun to dawn on them that October 7 really did change everything. The Israelis clearly intend to either drown or shoot Hamas dead to the last man, and this time the US will not be able to restrain them. Even their hostaging strategy hasn’t worked.
And just like that, from the river to the sea has changed to Let’s Join the PLO. Al-Monitor reported last night that a “top” Hamas official has floated an offer to recognize Israel’s right to exist and to fold itself into the Palestinian Authority in exchange for an end to the war (via Noah Rothman):
A senior Hamas official suggested the Gaza-based militant group would recognize Israel as a step toward ending the long-running divisions between the Palestinian factions.
Speaking to Al-Monitor in his Doha office on Monday, Mousa Abu Marzouk struck a careful tone on Israel some two months after his group carried out the deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust.
“You should follow the official stance,” Abu Marzouk said. “The official stance is that the [Palestine Liberation Organization] has recognized the state of Israel.”
The internationally recognized umbrella grouping of most Palestinian factions, excluding Hamas and Islamic Jihad, formally recognized Israel’s right to exist and renounced terrorism in 1993. In exchange, Israel accepted the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people.
more https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2023/12/14/hamas-waves-white-flag-maybe-we-could-recognize-israel-n598940
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Post by: ScottinVA on December 14, 2023, 04:18:37 pm
No.. No.. NO!! Every single one of those Hamas animals must be exterminated to the last one. That is the only way to eradicate cancer.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 14, 2023, 04:23:07 pm
Or use the ones the found in those Hamas honeyholes.
That's true. Israel is bloated with weapons of all kinds. These weapons were purchased by Hamas/Iran with American and worldwide 'charity' money going to Gaza. After raiding all the weapons caches, which each one may contain 20,000+ rifles, grenades, mines, and RPGs, Israel has more weapons than people able to fire them. Essentially, all the arms Hamas has hidden away like squirrels for decades meant to destroy all of Israel and Europe, are now all arrayed against them. This is a positive outcome for the entire Earth.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 14, 2023, 09:31:33 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 1h National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan told Israeli leaders that it was critical for them to begin transitioning their campaign in Gaza to more precise, targeted operations. (WSJ)
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 14, 2023, 09:33:00 pm
This is an interesting psyop by Israel. These terrorists are typically, but not always, uneducated barbarians. When they see another terrorist with a higher reward value than themselves, they behave like children and become extremely angry and jealous.
The lower value terrorists may actually kill the upper value terrorists just to increase their posted reward. Everyone wants to be the number one terrorist on the Israeli and worldwide list. And they will kill each other to make that happen. After all, they are terrorists. Killing is what they do. It doesn't much matter to them who they are killing or why.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 14, 2023, 11:44:12 pm
Hamas terrorist fighters will not be safe in the terror group’s vast network of underground tunnels in the Gaza Strip, the Israel Defense Forces said.
IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said the terror group’s group tunnels won’t be able to shield its fighters as the fighting intensifies.
Earlier in the day, IDF troops killed several Hamas fighters in a tunnel. “In the Hamas tunnels, the troops planted explosives… we identified the terrorists with a camera, and killed several terrorists in this incident,” Hagari said in a Thursday press conference.
He said senior Hamas officials choose to hide underground and use civilians as human shields.
Hagari said the IDF has “new combat means” to kill Hamas operatives in its tunnels.
“We will enter, plant explosives in locations we know terrorists frequent, and will wait for the right moment to kill them underground,” he said. “The terrorists won't be safe underground.” Posted by Louis Casiano
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 14, 2023, 11:45:35 pm
Gaza and West Bank should be run by ‘revamped and revitalized’ Palestinian Authority, Sullivan says
National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said the Biden administration wants to see the governance of the Gaza Strip connected with the West Bank, the other Palestinian territory.
Speaking with Israel's Channel 12 television, Sullivan said both areas need to be connected under a "revamped and revitalized" Palestinian Authority.
"That's something that requires intensive consultations with the Palestinians first, as well as with the Israeli government,” he explained. “But it will require reform, it will require an updating of how the Palestinian Authority approaches governance."
The Palestinian Authority has limited authority in the West Bank and used to govern Gaza until it was ousted in 2007 after a brief civil war with Hamas.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said last month that the Palestinian Authority should not be allowed to run Gaza.
He has accused PA President Mahmoud Abbas of encouraging terrorism against Israel.
Sullivan said the Biden administration has held talks with Israel but has not directed the Jewish state on how to conduct its war against Hamas.
"I'm not here to lecture or dictate. Israel is a friend and a partner. We sit down and we consult and we talk as friends." Posted by Louis Casiano
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 14, 2023, 11:52:01 pm
Gaza and West Bank should be run by ‘revamped and revitalized’ Palestinian Authority, Sullivan says
National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said the Biden administration wants to see the governance of the Gaza Strip connected with the West Bank, the other Palestinian territory.
Speaking with Israel's Channel 12 television, Sullivan said both areas need to be connected under a "revamped and revitalized" Palestinian Authority.
"That's something that requires intensive consultations with the Palestinians first, as well as with the Israeli government,” he explained. “But it will require reform, it will require an updating of how the Palestinian Authority approaches governance."
The Palestinian Authority has limited authority in the West Bank and used to govern Gaza until it was ousted in 2007 after a brief civil war with Hamas.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said last month that the Palestinian Authority should not be allowed to run Gaza.
He has accused PA President Mahmoud Abbas of encouraging terrorism against Israel.
Sullivan said the Biden administration has held talks with Israel but has not directed the Jewish state on how to conduct its war against Hamas.
"I'm not here to lecture or dictate. Israel is a friend and a partner. We sit down and we consult and we talk as friends." Posted by Louis Casiano
IN A PIG'S EYE!!
Change one sworn enemy for the revamped older model. **nononono*
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 15, 2023, 02:07:04 am
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UK slaps travel ban on settlers responsible for violence against Palestinians Times of Israel, Dec 14, 2023
British Foreign Minister David Cameron announced Thursday a ban on “extremist settlers” from Israel entering the United Kingdom, in order “to make sure our country cannot be a home for people who commit these intimidating acts.”
The decision follows a similar measure announced last week by the United States, which said it will impose travel bans on extremist Jewish settlers implicated in a rash of recent attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank, as well as on Palestinians involved in attacks on Israelis.
In a post on X, Cameron said that “extremist settlers, by targeting and killing Palestinian civilians, are undermining security and stability for both Israelis and Palestinians. Israel must take stronger action to stop settler violence and hold the perpetrators accountable.” He did not elaborate on how such a determination will be made, and if a list of those barred will be publicized.
Fifty-six British parliamentarians demanded that the government make the move Wednesday.
“In contrast to the way in which Israeli settlers enjoy a climate of impunity, the Israeli authorities have arrested over 3,000 West Bank Palestinians since the appalling Hamas attack of 7 October. This is often in the most arbitrary manner and without charge,” the signatories wrote.
He acknowledged, however, that there was as yet no unanimity among the 27 EU governments on the issue, who would need to vote unanimously in order to enact the proposal.
EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on Wednesday also told the body’s lawmakers she was in favor of imposing sanctions on extremist Israeli settlers.
“The rise in violence by extremist settlers is inflicting immense suffering on the Palestinians. It undermines the prospects for a lasting peace and could further exacerbate regional instability,” she said.
Following the US measure, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said those carrying out such violence are extremists” and that Israel is a nation of laws which cannot tolerate such activity, “and we don’t need others to explain that to us.”
National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan told Israeli leaders that it was critical for them to begin transitioning their campaign in Gaza to more precise, targeted operations. (WSJ)
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Unguided ‘dumb bombs’ used in almost half of Israeli strikes on Gaza Washington Post, Dec 14, 2023
Almost half of the munitions Israel has used in Gaza since the war began have been unguided bombs, a U.S. intelligence assessment has found, a ratio that some arms experts say helps explain the conflict’s enormous civilian death toll. The revelation comes as U.S. and Israeli officials engage in intensifying conversations about the sequencing of military operations in the two-month conflict.
The Israel Defense Forces has fired more than 29,000 air-to-ground munitions into the Palestinian enclave since Oct. 7, and only 55 to 60 percent of them have been precision-guided, according to a new assessment from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. The rest were what are known as “dumb bombs,” said two people familiar with the assessment who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the matter.
The use of so many unguided bombs, first reported by CNN, is a concern among humanitarian groups and others amid growing calls inside and outside the United States for Washington to condition any further military aid to Israel on the immediate reduction of civilian deaths.
Nearly 18,800 people have been killed and almost 51,000 wounded in Gaza over the past two months, according to the Gaza Health Ministry. Under international law, weapons are considered indiscriminate if they cannot be directed at military targets.
“It is challenging in the best of circumstances to differentiate between valid military targets and civilians” there, said Brian Castner, senior crisis adviser and weapons investigator at Amnesty International. “And so just under basic rules of discretion, the Israeli military should be using the most precise weapons that it can that it has available and be using the smallest weapon appropriate for the target.”
Israel has been using “very, very large weapons,” Castner said. “And so when you’re using that in a densely populated area, even if you hit your valid military target, you’re far more likely to kill civilians nearby.”
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 15, 2023, 02:27:36 am
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Sullivan: Israel’s bombings in Gaza must ‘match its intent’ to protect civilians; revamped PA should ultimately rule Times of Israel, Dec 14, 2023
US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, interviewed on Channel 12 news, is asked about the differing US and Israeli visions for post-war Gaza, with US President Joe Biden speaking of a revitalized Palestinian Authority and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu opposing a PA role.
Sullivan says the US view “is that ultimately governance of the West Bank and Gaza needs to be connected, and it needs to be connected under a revamped and revitalized Palestinian Authority.”
Pressed on what exactly this means, Sullivan says, “It will require reform. It will require an updating of how the Palestinian Authority approaches governance. It will require the participation of other countries in the region to contribute financial resources and other forms of support.”
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Elaborates Sullivan: “The president was saying that Israel’s intent is to conduct that campaign in a way that distinguishes between innocent Palestinians and Hamas. And what he would like to see as this campaign unfolds is that the results of the bombing campaign and the ground campaign match that intent.”
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 15, 2023, 02:40:06 am
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IDF suspends several troops for singing Hanukkah songs into Jenin mosque loudspeakers Times of Israel, Dec 14, 2033
The Israel Defense Forces on Thursday suspended several soldiers who appeared on video singing Hanukkah songs over the loudspeaker system in a mosque in the West Bank city of Jenin.
Footage circulating online showed the soldiers singing Hanukkah songs and the Jewish prayer “Shema Yisrael” (Hear, O Israel).
The IDF said the soldiers were removed from operational duty immediately after their commanders saw and investigated the videos.
Sephardic Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef also denounced the incident, calling on the military’s top chaplain “to explain to soldiers that they must not harm the religious sentiments of the adherents of other faiths.”
The IDF is aware of at least three cases of uninvolved Palestinians being killed by troops in recent weeks, and a handful of cases of settlers killing Palestinians, which are still under investigation.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 15, 2023, 02:55:47 am
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The Guardian Updates 4h ago 18.09 EST
Summary
It is just after 1.00 am in Gaza.
Here’s what happened today:
Joe Biden said that he wants Israel to stay focused on how to save civilian lives in Gaza. “I want them to be focused on how to save civilian lives, not stop going after Hamas, but to be more careful,” the US president said on Thursday.
Biden’s national security adviser advised Israel to end its ground campaign in Gaza, and carry out a more targeted offensive in its war in Gaza, the New York Times reported. Jake Sullivan advised Israel to change its war tactics within three weeks or less.
A spokesperson for the White House said that it wants Israel’s war in Gaza to “end as soon as possible”, but added that the US is not dictating a timeline on when the fighting should end to Israel.
All communication and internet services were completely cut off in Gaza, Palestinian telecommunication companies announced on Thursday. The latest update came from the territory’s main telecommunication companies, Paltel and Jawwal.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) announced on Thursday that soldiers faced discipline after violating the IDF’s code of conduct during an “operational activity” near a mosque in the city of Jenin. The IDF soldiers were seen on video singing Hanukkah songs in a mosque they had raided.
Thank you for reading.
My colleague in Australia will now be handling updates to this blog.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 15, 2023, 03:08:51 am
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Israel tells US it needs ‘months’ to defeat Hamas The Guardian, Dec 14, 2023
Israel will fight on until “absolute victory against Hamas”, the country’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has told a senior official from the Biden administration, as another minister said the war could last “more than several months”.
Netanyahu’s comments were made to Jake Sullivan, Joe Biden’s national security adviser, during a visit to Israel hours after its defence minister, Yoav Gallant, told Sullivan that many more months were needed to defeat Hamas in Gaza.
A statement from Netanyahu’s office said: “I told our American friends – our heroic fighters have not fallen in vain. From the deep pain of their falling, we are more determined than ever to continue to fight until Hamas is eliminated – until absolute victory.”
Gallant earlier told Sullivan, apparently contradicting bullish daily updates from Israel’s military about the progress of its campaign, that the war “will require a period of time – it will last more than several months”. He said Hamas had “built infrastructure under the ground and above the ground and it is not easy to destroy them”.
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After his meeting with Gallant, Sullivan declined to give details of the talks, but described the conversation as constructive and said there was a “wide degree of convergence” on strategic objectives and steps needed.
Speaking to Israel’s Channel 12 TV station, Sullivan said the Gaza Strip should be brought under a “revamped and revitalised” Palestinian Authority – another point of contention between Washington and Tel Aviv.
Netanyahu has said there is “disagreement” with Washington over how Gaza would be governed after the war and suggested Israel would retain “overall security responsibility” for the territory.
A poll of Israelis, published on the day of Sullivan’s visit, revealed widespread dissatisfaction with Netanyahu’s handling of US-Israel relations during the war. About 43% disapproved of Netanyahu’s treatment of Biden with 36% supporting, according to a Maariv/Jerusalem Post poll conducted this week.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 15, 2023, 12:05:06 pm
Visegrád 24 @visegrad24 BREAKING: The Israeli Army has taken over the headquarters of Hamas’ Shejaiya Battalion. After securing it, the command and control center was blown to pieces 4:45 AM · Dec 15, 2023
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Post by: Elderberry on December 15, 2023, 12:05:36 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · IDF built huge war logistics center inside Gaza, @MaarivOnline reports; this is the 1st military supply center outside Israel since 1982 Lebanon war, allowing army to enhance Gaza ops without depending on longer supply lines. via @MaarivOnline
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Post by: Elderberry on December 15, 2023, 12:08:08 pm
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN· · IDF announces the rescue of the bodies of the abductees, the late Elia Toledano, the late Corporal Nick Beiser and the late Sergeant Ron Sherman who were murdered under #Hamas captivity after being kidnapped on #October7
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Post by: Elderberry on December 15, 2023, 12:09:52 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com · IDF forces take over HQ of Shujaiya battalion, considered strongest Hamas fighting force; armored & commando forces raid terror sites in the heart of Khan Younis, kill numerous terrorists, locate tunnels with motorcycles used in Oct. 7 attack. via @idfonline
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Post by: Elderberry on December 15, 2023, 12:12:08 pm
Israel Radar
@IsraelRadar_com·
IDF sends in bulldozers for massive demolition of buildings in Shujaiya; army determined to ensure that no observation towers or surveillance posts remain in this Hamas stronghold near Israeli border. via @Nadav_Eyal
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · IDF forces take over HQ of Shujaiya battalion, considered strongest Hamas fighting force; armored & commando forces raid terror sites in the heart of Khan Younis, kill numerous terrorists, locate tunnels with motorcycles used in Oct. 7 attack. via @idfonline
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Post by: Elderberry on December 15, 2023, 12:14:13 pm
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN·
'Hamas has lost the war, it has lost Gaza... It has lost the sympathy of the population... They have lost the war but they don't know it yet. Sinwar is completely disconnected from reality,' says Frmr. IDF intelligence officer Raphaël Jerusalmy
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Post by: Elderberry on December 15, 2023, 12:16:12 pm
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN·
Israel reportedly turned to Egypt as a mediator instead of Qatar 'Qatar is dangerous, but I guess that it has more influence on Hamas than Egypt. They showed they can bring back our hostages,' says Frmr. Shin Bet coordinator @GONENB1
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Post by: Elderberry on December 15, 2023, 01:51:00 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
🔴IDF: Troops expose a terrorist ambush that used dolls with speakers playing crying sounds as a lure
The dolls were placed intentionally near a tunnel shaft connecting to a large tunnel network that extends under other nearby civilian structures and to a Hamas command center equipped with cameras that were monitoring IDF troops
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Post by: Elderberry on December 15, 2023, 01:51:52 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF
In an attempt to ambush our troops, Hamas terrorists connected dolls to speakers playing crying sounds and set them up in an area rigged with explosives.
The dolls and children's backpacks were intentionally placed near a tunnel shaft connecting to a large tunnel network that extends under nearby civilian areas including a school and a medical clinic.
Our forces conducted thorough searches of the area and exposed the ambush as well as Hamas intelligence and anti-tank positions in the area.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 15, 2023, 04:16:43 pm
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 54m Rocket alerts activated in Jerusalem area for first time in 6 weeks, @N12News reports; rocket attacks down sharply as IDF takes over more terror hubs, destroys launch sites; but some of Hamas rocket arsenal still intact, mostly in central & southern Gaza.
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 2h IDF intercepts rockets fired from Lebanon, targets terror sites & operatives near border; Minister Gantz warns: If world fails to keep Hezbollah away from border, Israel will do it. via @N12News
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 4h US objects to permanent Israeli buffer zone inside Gaza, @ynetalerts reports; Washington willing to accept temporary security zone, ongoing Israeli strikes & raids to destroy remaining Hamas forces.
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Post by: bigheadfred on December 15, 2023, 05:49:03 pm
Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?
🔴IDF: Troops expose a terrorist ambush that used dolls with speakers playing crying sounds as a lure
The dolls were placed intentionally near a tunnel shaft connecting to a large tunnel network that extends under other nearby civilian structures and to a Hamas command center equipped with cameras that were monitoring IDF troops
IDF sends in bulldozers for massive demolition of buildings in Shujaiya; army determined to ensure that no observation towers or surveillance posts remain in this Hamas stronghold near Israeli border. via @Nadav_Eyal
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(https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/q_auto/c_fill,g_faces:center,h_565,w_1040/568770) Fire burns in Gaza, as seen from southern Israel, December 15, 2023 (photo credit: REUTERS/CLODAGH KILCOYNE) Source: Jerusalem Post
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(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b299a1d36965eac570daa608c6d4c3be7349eae4/118_0_1798_1080/master/1798.jpg?width=620&dpr=1&s=none) Aerial picture showing the wreckage of houses in Gaza. Source: The Guardian
Working to make the Gaza Strip uninhabitable insures more US taxpayer dollars to rebuild it and more American communities welcoming displaced refugees.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 15, 2023, 06:24:35 pm
Trey Yingst @TreyYingst · 1m The IDF says that Israeli forces shot and killed three hostages today in northern Gaza after they were mistakenly identified as Hamas fighters.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 15, 2023, 06:25:24 pm
Israel reportedly turned to Egypt as a mediator instead of Qatar 'Qatar is dangerous, but I guess that it has more influence on Hamas than Egypt. They showed they can bring back our hostages,' says Frmr. Shin Bet coordinator @GONE
Qatar is "dangerous" :pondering:
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'Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state. NY Times, Dec 10, 2023
Just weeks before Hamas launched the deadly Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, the head of Mossad arrived in Doha, Qatar, for a meeting with Qatari officials.
For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.
During his meetings in September with the Qatari officials, according to several people familiar with the secret discussions, the Mossad chief, David Barnea, was asked a question that had not been on the agenda: Did Israel want the payments to continue?
Mr. Netanyahu’s government had recently decided to continue the policy, so Mr. Barnea said yes. The Israeli government still welcomed the money from Doha.
Allowing the payments — billions of dollars over roughly a decade — was a gamble by Mr. Netanyahu that a steady flow of money would maintain peace in Gaza, the eventual launching point of the Oct. 7 attacks, and keep Hamas focused on governing, not fighting.
The Qatari payments, while ostensibly a secret, have been widely known and discussed in the Israeli news media for years. Mr. Netanyahu’s critics disparage them as part of a strategy of “buying quiet,” and the policy is in the middle of a ruthless reassessment following the attacks. Mr. Netanyahu has lashed back at that criticism, calling the suggestion that he tried to empower Hamas “ridiculous.”
In interviews with more than two dozen current and former Israeli, American and Qatari officials, and officials from other Middle Eastern governments, The New York Times unearthed new details about the origins of the policy, the controversies that erupted inside the Israeli government and the lengths that Mr. Netanyahu went to in order to shield the Qataris from criticism and keep the money flowing.
The payments were part of a string of decisions by Israeli political leaders, military officers and intelligence officials — all based on the fundamentally flawed assessment that Hamas was neither interested in nor capable of a large-scale attack.
[...]
As far back as December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.
The official in the prime minister’s office said Mr. Netanyahu never made this statement. But the prime minister would articulate this idea to others over the years.
The IDF says that Israeli forces shot and killed three hostages today in northern Gaza after they were mistakenly identified as Hamas fighters.
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The Guardian Updates 9m ago 13.31 EST
Israel Defense Forces: IDF mistakenly kills three Israeli hostages
The Israel Defense Forces announced on Friday that it “mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat, as a result the force fired at them and they were killed.”
In a statement released on Friday, IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari wrote:
“During the fighting in Shejaiya, an IDF force mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat. As a result the force fired at them and they were killed.
During a scan and inspection of the area of the incident, a suspicion arose regarding the identity of the dead. The bodies were taken for examination in Israeli territory, after which it turned out that they were three Israeli hostages.”
Two of the hostages who were killed have been identified as Yotam Haim and Samer Talalka, according to the IDF. It added that a “message was also given to the family of the third abductee, at whose request his name will not be given now.”
The IDF said that is has begun “investigating the incident immediately.”
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 15, 2023, 06:58:32 pm
'Hamas has lost the war, it has lost Gaza... It has lost the sympathy of the population... They have lost the war but they don't know it yet. Sinwar is completely disconnected from reality,' says Frmr. IDF intelligence officer Raphaël Jerusalmy
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 15, 2023, 07:10:44 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 27m IDF stunned by scope of terror tunnel network in Gaza; Israeli forces discover massive underground spaces used as command centers, weapons production & storage sites. via @tallevram
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 15, 2023, 07:21:52 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 15, 2023, 07:23:45 pm
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Israel Defense Forces @IDF · 49m During combat in Shejaiya, the IDF mistakenly identified 3 Israeli hostages as a threat and as a result, fired toward them and the hostages were killed. 1/1
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Israel Defense Forces @IDF Their bodies were transferred to Israeli territory for examination where it was confirmed that they were 3 Israeli hostages and were identified:
Yotam Haim, who was kidnapped from Kibbutz Kfar Aza by the Hamas terrorist organization on October 7. Samer Talalka, who was kidnapped from Kibbutz Nir Am by the Hamas terrorist organization on October 7. The third hostages’ family has been notified and requested that his name will not be broadcasted.
IDF and Israel Police representatives have notified all of the families. 2/2
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Israel Defense Forces @IDF The IDF began reviewing the incident immediately. The IDF emphasizes that this is an active combat zone in which ongoing fighting over the last few days has occurred. Immediate lessons from the event have been learned, which have been passed on to all IDF troops in the field.
The IDF expresses deep remorse over the tragic incident and sends the families its heartfelt condolences. Our national mission is to locate the missing and return all the hostages home. 3/3
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 15, 2023, 08:24:34 pm
IDF stunned by scope of terror tunnel network in Gaza; Israeli forces discover massive underground spaces used as command centers, weapons production & storage sites. via @tallevram
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'Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state. NY Times, Dec 10, 2023
Just weeks before Hamas launched the deadly Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, the head of Mossad arrived in Doha, Qatar, for a meeting with Qatari officials.
For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.
During his meetings in September with the Qatari officials, according to several people familiar with the secret discussions, the Mossad chief, David Barnea, was asked a question that had not been on the agenda: Did Israel want the payments to continue?
Mr. Netanyahu’s government had recently decided to continue the policy, so Mr. Barnea said yes. The Israeli government still welcomed the money from Doha.
Allowing the payments — billions of dollars over roughly a decade — was a gamble by Mr. Netanyahu that a steady flow of money would maintain peace in Gaza, the eventual launching point of the Oct. 7 attacks, and keep Hamas focused on governing, not fighting.
The Qatari payments, while ostensibly a secret, have been widely known and discussed in the Israeli news media for years. Mr. Netanyahu’s critics disparage them as part of a strategy of “buying quiet,” and the policy is in the middle of a ruthless reassessment following the attacks. Mr. Netanyahu has lashed back at that criticism, calling the suggestion that he tried to empower Hamas “ridiculous.”
In interviews with more than two dozen current and former Israeli, American and Qatari officials, and officials from other Middle Eastern governments, The New York Times unearthed new details about the origins of the policy, the controversies that erupted inside the Israeli government and the lengths that Mr. Netanyahu went to in order to shield the Qataris from criticism and keep the money flowing.
The payments were part of a string of decisions by Israeli political leaders, military officers and intelligence officials — all based on the fundamentally flawed assessment that Hamas was neither interested in nor capable of a large-scale attack.
[...]
As far back as December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.
How tragic for the hostages, their families...and the soldiers that made the error.
Realize it's all hindsight now, but come on...how many movies have you seen in your life where a hostage is dressed up like one of the kidnappers...aka Hamas?
No information on if a sniper killed them...would be awful if that were the case.
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Post by: Hoodat on December 16, 2023, 03:03:03 am
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 27m IDF stunned by scope of terror tunnel network in Gaza; Israeli forces discover massive underground spaces used as command centers, weapons production & storage sites. via @tallevram
American tax dollars at work.
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Post by: Wingnut on December 16, 2023, 03:06:35 am
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 16, 2023, 04:37:46 am
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Scoop: Israel's Mossad chief expected to meet Qatari PM to resume hostage talks Adios, Dec 15, 2023
Israel's Mossad spy agency director David Barnea is expected to meet Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani in Europe this weekend to discuss resuming negotiations of a deal to secure the release of hostages held by Hamas in Gaza, two sources briefed on the issue said.
Why it matters: It would be the first meeting between senior Israeli and Qatari officials since the collapse of the seven-day ceasefire that led to the expansion of the Israeli military operation to southern Gaza.
Israel's return to the table suggests it is ready to try to explore a new hostage deal. The previous deal was derailed two weeks ago after Hamas refused to release the remaining women it is holding hostage. Hamas blamed Israel for the collapse and said the women Israel proposed be released were IDF soldiers.
Driving the news: On Friday, the IDF announced three Israeli hostages were mistakenly killed in Gaza by IDF soldiers.
The IDF said the three might have managed to escape or were abandoned by their Hamas captives during fierce fighting in northern Gaza.
Shortly after the IDF statement, several family members of hostages still held by Hamas publicly called on the government to present a new plan for a new deal to secure their release as soon as possible.
Hamas is still holding more than 130 hostages. More than 100 were released as part of a deal that paused the fighting in Gaza for seven days.
Behind the scenes: Qatari mediators contacted Israeli officials last weekend to see whether there was interest in relaunching indirect talks with Hamas over a new deal, Axios reported earlier this week.
The mediators checked with the Israeli negotiating team about whether Israel would agree to a deal that would allow the release of the remaining female hostages in exchange for a pause in fighting lasting longer than a day, according to Israeli sources.
One source said such a deal could include "humanitarian elements," such as the release of elderly men and those with serious medical conditions, or the release of hostages who are seriously wounded.
Last weekend after the initial Qatari proposal, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the members of the war cabinet decided against the Mossad chief traveling to Qatar.
After a backlash to the decision, Netanyahu changed course and allowed Barnea to engage with the Qataris.
Israel expressed willingness to discuss a new agreement that would include the release of the remaining women they'd asked for in the previous deal, an Israeli source said.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 16, 2023, 04:48:08 am
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TOI 11:35 pm
Hundreds march in flash protest in Tel Aviv calling for gov’t initiative for hostages’ release
Large crowds have amassed at the Kaplan Junction in Tel Aviv and have blocked off the road to traffic as they march toward the IDF’s Kirya military headquarters in a flash protest calling for the government to take the initiative to secure the release of the hostages, after the IDF’s mistakenly killed three of them earlier today in Gaza.
“Their time is running out! Bring them home now!” the crowd is heard chanting. “There is no victory until every last hostage is released!”
Anger among the hostage families has mounted in recent days following reports that the government has been holding off on initiating a hostage deal proposal with Hamas on the grounds that it believes that only continued IDF operations in Gaza will bring the terror group to its knees and back to the table with an offer Israel could accept.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly barred Mossad chief David Barnea from traveling to Qatar for that reason earlier this week.
However, Axios reports that Netanyahu has since changed his mind and has agreed to dispatch Barnea to meet Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani in Europe this weekend to discuss resuming negotiations toward another hostage deal.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 16, 2023, 04:56:21 am
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Lufthansa, subsidiaries to resume flights to Israel on January 8 TOI, Dec 15, 2023
FRANKFURT, Germany — German airline group Lufthansa said Friday it planned to resume flights to Tel Aviv from January 8, after the service was suspended following the Hamas terror group’s October 7 onslaught in southern Israel.
The group’s airlines will initially “offer a total of 20 weekly connections to and from Tel Aviv,” Lufthansa said in a statement. “This corresponds to around 30 percent of the regular flight schedule.”
Lufthansa Airlines will offer connections from Frankfurt and Munich, while Austrian Airlines and SWISS will also restart the service.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 16, 2023, 11:58:39 am
Israel Defense Forces @IDF In the past 24h, our forces:
🔺Apprehended terrorists hiding in the al-Mu'tasim Bi'llah and al-Farabi schools in Gaza City's Rimal neighborhood, who turned themselves in, and eliminated additional terrorists in the area.
🔺Located weapons and underground terrorist infrastructure in operational compounds in Khan Yunis.
🔺Directed an IAF strike on a number of Hamas terrorists who fired at the troops from the roof of a compound in Jabalya.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 16, 2023, 12:01:07 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com
IDF engaged in heavy battles in Shujaiya as Israeli forces continues to clear massive terror base in Hamas stronghold; about 30% of homes in area converted into battle stations with sniper positions, launch sites & weapons caches. via @WallaNews
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Post by: Elderberry on December 16, 2023, 12:03:59 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 🔴The IDF has completed battles in Gaza's prestigious Rimal neighborhood, where the 401st Brigade and 13th Fleet defeated Hamas terrorists operating out of the "Al Ma'atzam in Allah" and "Al Farabi" schools.
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · War update: IDF raids 2 schools in Gaza's upscale Rimal neighborhood based on intel info, kills at least 12 terrorists, others surrender; forces in Khan Younis area raid apartments used as terror hideouts, seize many weapons, discover tunnel shafts. via @ynetalerts
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 16, 2023, 01:59:00 pm
Israeli and Qatari officials meet to explore new hostage cease-fire deal: WSJ
Israeli and Qatari officials planned to meet in Norway on Saturday in an effort to strike a new deal to release hostages held in Gaza, the Wall Street Journal reported Saturday.
Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani was set to meet with David Barnea, director of Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency, in Oslo, the report said, citing people familiar with the matter.
"Significant obstacles impede a resumption of negotiations on a new hostage deal, the people said, including disagreements over the possible terms within Hamas, the U.S.-designated terror group whose Oct. 7 attack on southern Israel sparked the Gaza war," the Journal reported.
These talks would be the first meeting between senior Israeli and Qatari officials since a week-long cease-fire agreement between Israel and Hamas fell apart two weeks ago. The truce ended after Hamas did not free a group of female hostages and two young children who remain captive in Gaza.
The report comes a day after Israel said IDF troops mistakenly killed three hostages being held by Hamas in Gaza City.
During a week-long truce in late November, Hamas released more than 100 women, children and foreigners it was holding in Gaza in exchange for the release of 240 women and teenagers.
Reuters contributed to this update. Posted by Chris Pandolfo
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 16, 2023, 02:05:02 pm
I agree with your statement. Just a reminder though that it was the United States who put pressure on Qatar to allow Hamas to set up their HQ there.
Yep...
And the very first thing I would do after taking the Oath of Office, January 20th, 2025 is have Barack Obama taken into custody by the U.S. Marshals, as well as about 250 other of his clan.
THEN, I'd remove every barrier to DRILL BABY DRILL.
And that's BEFORE 1PM.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 16, 2023, 04:05:41 pm
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Israeli hostages killed in Gaza were holding white flag, official says Reuters, Dec 16, 2023
JERUSALEM, Dec 16 (Reuters) - Three Israeli hostages killed mistakenly in Gaza by Israeli forces had been holding up a white flag, a military official said on Saturday, citing an initial inquiry into the incident that has shaken the country.
A soldier saw the hostages emerging tens of metres from Israeli forces on Friday in Shejaiya, an area of intense combat in northern Gaza where Hamas militants operate in civilian attire and use deception tactics, the official said.
"They're all without shirts and they have a stick with a white cloth on it. The soldier feels threatened and opens fire. He declares that they're terrorists. They (the Israeli forces) open fire. Two (hostages) are killed immediately," the official told reporters in a phone briefing.
The third hostage was wounded and retreated into a nearby building where he called for help in Hebrew, the official said.
"Immediately the battalion commander issues a ceasefire order, but again there's another burst of fire towards the third figure and he also dies," the official said. "This was against our rules of engagement," he added.
The military on Friday identified the three hostages killed in Shejaiya, an eastern suburb of Gaza City, as Yotam Haim and Alon Shamriz, abducted from Kibbutz Kfar Aza, and Samer Al-Talalka, abducted from nearby Kibbutz Nir Am.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 16, 2023, 04:12:56 pm
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The Guardian Updates 3h ago 07.56 EST
Israel has said it is opening a military police investigation into the killing of two Palestinians in the West Bank after an Israeli human rights group posted videos that appeared to show Israeli troops killing the men – one who was incapacitated and the second unarmed – during a military raid in a West Bank refugee camp.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 16, 2023, 04:42:13 pm
Lord, this is painful. Some updates report the IDF soldiers are receiving "psychological care". This report (below) says the hostages had escaped. May they RIP. 😔
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 16, 2023, 04:52:11 pm
U.S. Central Command @CENTCOM
In the early morning hours of December 16 (Sanna time) the US Arliegh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS CARNEY (DDG 64), operating in the Red Sea, successfully engaged 14 unmanned aerial systems launched as a drone wave from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen. The UAS were assessed to be one-way attack drones and were shot down with no damage to ships in the area or reported injuries. Regional Red Sea partners were alerted to the threat.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 16, 2023, 07:04:30 pm
‘Darkness Falls on Israel’: Nation in Anguish as Details of 3 Hostages’ Deaths Revealed
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) revealed Saturday after an inquiry that the three hostages who were mistakenly killed on Friday were shirtless, waving white flags, and calling in Hebrew, and were shot by soldiers who thought they were being lured into a trap.
The hostages had emerged at 10:00 a.m. One of the soldiers who saw them shouted “Terrorists!” upon seeing them. The soldiers opened fire — against protocol, which forbid firing on someone with a white flag. They killed two, and wounded the third, who ran into a building and continued shouting for help in Hebrew. A battalion commander ordered them to stop firing, but they kept on shooting, killing him. At no point did any of the soldiers, including the commander, imagine that the three could be hostages.
In addition, soldiers had found graffiti earlier in the week on a building that read “SOS – three hostages” in Hebrew. They believed the building to be booby-trapped, as many other buildings have been, as Hamas has tried to lure IDF soldiers into ambushes. The IDF had not encountered any civilians in the area in a long time; all of the unarmed men in the area of Shejaiya, in the northern Gaza Strip, had been Hamas operatives. The possibility of hostages emerging into the open simply had never been considered.
It is not yet known whether the hostages were abandoned by their captors, or whether they managed to escape in recent days.
The soldiers who fired on the hostages are reported to be receiving psychological counseling, according to the Times of Israel.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/16/darkness-falls-on-israel-nation-in-anguish-as-details-of-3-hostages-deaths-revealed/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 16, 2023, 07:06:52 pm
Dem Rep. Stevens: U.S.-Funded Aid Is ‘Being Stolen by Hamas’
On Friday’s broadcast of Bloomberg’s “Balance of Power,” Rep. Haley Stevens (D-MI) said that aid that has gone into Gaza that the United States helped fund is “being stolen by Hamas” and “is not being given to the civilians, the lderly, the pregnant women who are in Gaza, who I certainly pray for every single day.”
Stevens said that she isn’t calling for a ceasefire, but instead is calling for Hamas to surrender and stop using its civilians as shields and believes that the Biden administration will “guide” Israel through portions of the war with the lessons America has learned over its past 20 years of war.
She added, “There’s been tons of aid that has gone into Gaza that the U.S. has helped to fund, and it’s being stolen by Hamas. It is not being given to the civilians, the elderly, the pregnant women who are in Gaza, who I certainly pray for every single day. Human life matters. We know that. We don’t want to see war in the Middle East. Hamas needs to surrender, Israel needs to secure its borders, and we need to stand up for our democratic ally. That is not Hamas.”
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 16, 2023, 07:15:04 pm
Israeli photog captured paragliders, strikes moments before Hamas killed him By Social Links for Doree Lewak Published Dec. 16, 2023, 1:04 p.m. ET
Here are the last images taken by Israeli photographer Gilad Kfir, minutes before he was shot to death by Hamas terrorists on Oct. 7.
Starting at 7:40 a.m., Kfir, a resident of Nativ HaAsarah, photographed the terrorists paragliding into Israel during the surprise attack, part of Hamas’ campaign using land, air, and sea to breach the border.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/sunday-news-photographer-gilad-kfir-73782858.jpg?quality=75&strip=all) Gilad Kfir was killed shortly after photographing Palestinian terrorists paragliding into Israel on Oct. 7. Gilad Kfir
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/sunday-news-photographer-gilad-kfir-73782861-1.jpg?quality=75&strip=all) Kfir captured the first moments of the Hamas attack on Oct. 7 from his kibbutz in Israel before being killed. Gilad Kfir
Kfir shot 65 photos between 8:16 and 8:17, capturing Hamas rockets being intercepted by Iron Dome, Israel’s missile defense system.
In all, Kfir took some 86 photos that morning.
His partner gave birth to his daughter on Wednesday.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 16, 2023, 07:17:57 pm
Israeli military says hostages mistakenly killed were holding white flag: Reports by Nick Robertson - 12/16/23 9:28 AM ET
The three Israeli hostages mistakenly killed by the Israeli military were shirtless and holding a white flag when they were shot, a military official said Saturday, according to multiple media reports.
An initial inquiry into the incident by the Israeli military determined that the soldiers violated the rules of engagement by firing on the group.
According to a senior Israeli military official, a single Israeli soldier opened fire on the three hostages when they exited a building near an Israeli base and began walking towards the base.
The soldier believed the hostages proved a threat and fired on them, killing two and forcing the third to flee into the building, according to the official.
“They’re all without shirts and they have a stick with a white cloth on it,” the official said, according to Reuters. “The soldier feels threatened and opens fire. He declares that they’re terrorists, they (forces) open fire, two are killed immediately.”
The third hostage then called for help in Hebrew, causing the soldiers to believe the man was a Hamas militant luring the group into a trap, the official said. The soldiers then entered the building and killed the hostage.
“This was against our rules of engagement,” The official said.
Markings on the men’s bodies raised suspicions that they may be Israeli, the official said, and they were later transported to Israel and confirmed to be among the hostages held by Hamas.
Two days earlier, soldiers noted a building in the area with the writing “SOS” and “help, three hostages” written on the outside walls, Haaretz reported. The Israeli military believed the building could be a trap.
more https://thehill.com/policy/international/4363532-israeli-military-hostages-soldiers-killed-held-white-flags-reports/
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Post by: GtHawk on December 16, 2023, 07:34:30 pm
Dem Rep. Stevens: U.S.-Funded Aid Is ‘Being Stolen by Hamas’
On Friday’s broadcast of Bloomberg’s “Balance of Power,” Rep. Haley Stevens (D-MI) said that aid that has gone into Gaza that the United States helped fund is “being stolen by Hamas” and “is not being given to the civilians, the lderly, the pregnant women who are in Gaza, who I certainly pray for every single day.”
Stevens said that she isn’t calling for a ceasefire, but instead is calling for Hamas to surrender and stop using its civilians as shields and believes that the Biden administration will “guide” Israel through portions of the war with the lessons America has learned over its past 20 years of war.
She added, “There’s been tons of aid that has gone into Gaza that the U.S. has helped to fund, and it’s being stolen by Hamas. It is not being given to the civilians, the elderly, the pregnant women who are in Gaza, who I certainly pray for every single day. Human life matters. We know that. We don’t want to see war in the Middle East. Hamas needs to surrender, Israel needs to secure its borders, and we need to stand up for our democratic ally. That is not Hamas.”
Seems to me that the lessons we learned, or that we forced on our troops, is to stop before actually winning **nononono* Not a lesson I think Israel cares to look to this time around.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2023, 01:29:16 am
27-year-old Israeli woman, Inbar Haiman, taken hostage by Hamas confirmed dead: ‘Creative girl full of joy’ By Social Links for Olivia Land Published Dec. 16, 2023, 3:56 p.m. ET
An Israeli hostage abducted by Hamas on Oct. 7 from the Supernova music festival has been confirmed dead.
Inbar Haiman, described as a “creative girl full of joy,” was murdered at some point after she was kidnapped from the desert rave, the Hostages and Missing Persons Families Forum said Friday.
Haiman’s cause of death was not confirmed by the Forum. Her body is still believed to be in the Gaza Strip, the Times of Israel added.
Haiman, 27, was a visual communications student from Haifa, in northern Israel, the Forum said.
She was remembered as a “gifted” and “creative girl full of joy,” the Forum’s announced read.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/12/www-facebook-com-mordehai-alon-61547210.jpg?quality=75&strip=all) Inbar Haiman is survived by her partner, Noam Alon.
She texted Alon, who told her to avoid the roads where the armed terrorists were killing fellow revelers while they tried to flee.
The young woman’s boyfriend and family eventually lost touch with her, and shared a description of her tattoos and outfit on social media in a desperate bid for information.
Two witnesses eventually told the frantic loved ones they saw Haiman – who they recognized from her distinctive leggings – hiding under a stage with friends, before running to take cover under a bush, the Times of Israel explained.
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/16/news/israeli-hostage-inbar-haiman-confirmed-dead/
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Post by: libertybele on December 17, 2023, 02:12:05 am
I don't believe that there are any hostages remaining that are alive. **nononono*
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Post by: Elderberry on December 17, 2023, 12:42:39 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
'The main fighting is going to be happening in the southern Gaza Strip and, of course, the tunnels'
@YaakovLappin , a Military analyst at @MirYamInstitute , @JNS_org , details some of the new tactics deployed by the IDF as they progress into #Gaza
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2023, 02:29:32 pm
Sec. Austin travels to Israel as thousands protest against mistaken killing of Israeli hostages
U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin began a trip to the Middle East on Sunday as thousands of Israeli protesters gathered in Tel Avivi in outrage against the IDF killing of three Israeli hostages in Gaza this weekend. The IDF says the hostages were shirtless and one was carrying a makeshift white flag, but they were mistaken for Hamas terrorists.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2023, 02:30:09 pm
Prime Minister Netanyahu urges Israel to continue despite troops mistakenly killing hostages
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2023, 02:32:06 pm
Hamas' brutality, cease-fire push was 'part of their playbook from the start': David Schoen
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2023, 03:37:28 pm
Majority of Americans 18-24 think Israel should ‘be ended and given to Hamas’ By Social Links for Jon Levine Published Dec. 16, 2023, 12:56 p.m. ET
A majority of young Americans said they believe Israel should “be ended and given to Hamas,” according to a shocking poll.
The survey, conducted THIS WEEK by Harvard-Harris polling, found 51% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 said they believed the long-term answer to the Israel-Palestinian conflict was for “Israel to be ended and given to Hamas and the Palestinians.”
Only 32% said they believed in a two-state solution, and just 17% said other Arab states should be asked to absorb Palestinian populations.
The figure was in stark contrast to other age groups, which all dramatically preferred a two-state solution. Just 4% of Americans 65 and over said they felt Israel should be ended.
“These individuals siding with evil over democracy should be a wake-up call,” Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kansas) told The Post. “Ideological rot among young Americans, driven by woke values and victim culture, has gotten so bad they’ve convinced themselves to sympathize with actual terrorists who hate America,”
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/16/news/majority-of-americans-18-24-think-israel-should-be-ended-and-given-to-hamas/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2023, 03:37:46 pm
Majority of Americans 18-24 think Israel should ‘be ended and given to Hamas’ By Social Links for Jon Levine Published Dec. 16, 2023, 12:56 p.m. ET
A majority of young Americans said they believe Israel should “be ended and given to Hamas,” according to a shocking poll.
9-11 was 22 years ago. None of these punks experienced or watched our nation under attack. Let's not forget that on September 12th, there were mass celebrations in the streets of the Arab world. The same Arabs that these kids, now support to supplant Israel.
If this is a true poll, our education system has truly brainwashed an entire generation.
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Post by: libertybele on December 17, 2023, 03:49:52 pm
9-11 was 22 years ago. None of these punks experienced or watched our nation under attack. Let's not forget that on September 12th, there were mass celebrations in the streets of the Arab world. The same Arabs that these kids, now support to supplant Israel.
If this is a true poll, our education system has truly brainwashed an entire generation.
I'm not one to believe in polls, but I do agree with you. A generation who has forgotten the celebration in the streets of the Arab world after we were attacked on 9-11. Shame on them and shame on the liberal school system. I fully believe that they have brainwashed an entire generation and generations before that; it all started during LBJ's administration.
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Post by: Bigun on December 17, 2023, 03:55:51 pm
I'm not one to believe in polls, but I do agree with you. A generation who has forgotten the celebration in the streets of the Arab world after we were attacked on 9-11. Shame on them and shame on the liberal school system. I fully believe that they have brainwashed an entire generation and generations before that; it all started during LBJ's administration.
No mam! It started with John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson!
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Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on December 17, 2023, 04:12:51 pm
No mam! It started with John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson!
More about that: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2012/09/constitution-201-woodrow-wilson-and-the-rejection-of-the-founders-principles/ (https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2012/09/constitution-201-woodrow-wilson-and-the-rejection-of-the-founders-principles/)
Long article on John Dewey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey)
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Post by: Hoodat on December 17, 2023, 04:19:45 pm
More about that: https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2012/09/constitution-201-woodrow-wilson-and-the-rejection-of-the-founders-principles/ (https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2012/09/constitution-201-woodrow-wilson-and-the-rejection-of-the-founders-principles/)
Long article on John Dewey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey)
Thanks @Texas Yellow Rose for shedding additional light on a subject that desperately needs more light!
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2023, 06:36:54 pm
Israel's most wanted: ‘Butcher of Khan Younis,’ other Hamas terrorists now in IDF's sights Flyers of some of Israel's most wanted terrorists recently dropped over Gaza By Ruth Marks Eglash Fox News Published December 17, 2023 11:16am EST
JERUSALEM – Yahya Sinwar, Hamas’ top leader in Gaza, his younger brother, Muhammed, and two other senior military commanders of the Iranian-backed Islamist terror group – Rafa’a Salameh and Mohammad Deif – are considered to be the worst killers from the southern Gazan city of Khan Younis.
All are now the most wanted terrorists by Israel.
As the IDF gears up for what could be its fiercest battle yet against Hamas, the army dropped leaflets over Gaza’s second most populous city on Thursday, calling on residents of the Hamas stronghold to share any information about the whereabouts of the four men and offering a substantial financial reward – some $1 million in total – for anyone brave enough to come forward.
All four terrorists were born and raised in Khan Younis, a city about two miles east of the Mediterranean Sea, and Sinwar, who already has the nickname "the Butcher of Khan Younis," for his violent and cruel torture methods against his enemies, both Israeli and Palestinian, is widely seen as the mastermind of the massacre of Israeli civilians carried out by thousands of Hamas terrorists on Oct. 7, sparking the current war.
more https://www.foxnews.com/world/israels-most-wanted-butcher-khan-younis-other-hamas-terrorists-now-idfs-sights
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2023, 06:42:22 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2023, 08:26:42 pm
Graham: Israel Will Have to Accept Two-State Solution to Normalize Ties with Arab Countries
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that Israel has to accept a two-state solution if it wants to normalize ties with Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries.
more https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/12/17/graham-israel-will-have-to-accept-two-state-solution-to-normalize-ties-with-arab-countries/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2023, 08:29:34 pm
Video Emerges of Hamas Murdering African Farm Worker in Cold Blood
Joel B. Pollak 17 Dec 2023
Video was released Sunday via Telegram purportedly showing Hamas terrorists murdering Tanzanian farm worker, Joshua Mollel, 21, during the October 7 terror attack in Israel.
It is unclear why the video was only released now, though Mollel’s death was only confirmed last week. Previously, he had been thought to be among the hostages taken by Hamas to Gaza.
The video, which was released by the Telegram channel South First Responders, which is considered credible, includes two clips. One shows Mollel being surrounded and restrained by angry Hamas terrorists, who shout at him in Arabic. The other shows him lying on a roadside, with a stab wound in his chest, as a Hamas gunman stands astride him and fires shot after shot into his body. A voice is heard shouting, “Allahu akbar!” (“God is great”), a slogan that often accompanies Hamas terrorists during their attacks.
The videos are too graphic to be republished.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/17/video-emerges-of-hamas-murdering-african-farm-worker-in-cold-blood/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2023, 08:42:28 pm
Senate Democrat says Netanyahu has been an ‘exceptionally difficult partner’ by Lauren Sforza - 12/17/23 2:16 PM ET
Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) said Sunday that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been “difficult” to work with as the U.S. pushes for a two-state solution to end the Israel-Hamas war.
“Prime Minister Netanyahu has been an exceptionally difficult partner, and I think President Biden did the right thing right after the shattering — the horrific attack by Hamas, to go to Israel, to stand strong with Israel, and frankly, to send a firm message to Iran to stay out of this conflict,” Coons said on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” adding that President Biden deployed aircraft carrier groups to the region to deter escalation in the region.
“What has been a real challenge is the big gap between most of us in Congress and the president who believe a two-state solution is the only way forward, and Prime Minister Netanyahu who has done everything he can to undermine a positive vision for peace for Israel,” he continued.
The Biden administration has upped its criticism of Israel in recent days but has maintained that the U.S. supports Israel’s right to defend itself since the militant group Hamas launched its deadly attack on Oct. 7, killing more than 1,200 people. Biden said last week that Netanyahu “has to change, and with this government, this government in Israel is making it very difficult for him to move.”
more https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4364687-senate-democrat-says-netanyahu-has-been-a-exceptionally-difficult-partner/
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Post by: Hoodat on December 17, 2023, 08:57:01 pm
Senate Democrat says Netanyahu has been an ‘exceptionally difficult partner’ by Lauren Sforza - 12/17/23 2:16 PM ET
Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) said Sunday that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been “difficult” to work with as the U.S. pushes for a two-state solution to end the Israel-Hamas war.
As compared to whom? Hamas?
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Post by: Hoodat on December 17, 2023, 08:58:40 pm
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Post by: Fishrrman on December 17, 2023, 09:34:29 pm
catfish observes (in reply 964 above): "If this is a true poll, our education system has truly brainwashed an entire generation."
If this is a "true poll", the United States (AS a nation of "united" states) is probably doomed and nothing will save it (in its entirety).
Perhaps a "central core" of the Heartland -might be- "severed off" and saved. But not the coasts. They're all but ... gone.
Back to the regularly-scheduled thread.
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Post by: Fishrrman on December 17, 2023, 09:39:11 pm
From reply 976 above: "Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) said Sunday that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been “difficult” to work with as the U.S. pushes for a two-state solution to end the Israel-Hamas war."
Stuff it, coons.
Here's Fishrrman's "THREE-STATE solution™" for the Mideast: Israel East Israel (former West Bank) Southwest Israel (former gaza)
How's that hit ya...?
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Post by: Elderberry on December 17, 2023, 10:04:45 pm
ELINT News reposted Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian @manniefabian · The IDF reveals footage obtained from the Gaza Strip showing senior Hamas commander Muhammed Sinwar, the brother of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, in a car driving through the major tunnel revealed earlier today by the military.
From reply 976 above: "Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) said Sunday that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been “difficult” to work with as the U.S. pushes for a two-state solution to end the Israel-Hamas war."
Stuff it, coons.
Here's Fishrrman's "THREE-STATE solution™" for the Mideast: Israel East Israel (former West Bank) Southwest Israel (former gaza)
How's that hit ya...?
:beer:
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 18, 2023, 01:37:13 am
Graham: Israel Will Have to Accept Two-State Solution to Normalize Ties with Arab Countries
Idiot. Israel need do no such thing. -----------------------------
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN 🔴IDF fighters located suitcases with approximately 5,000,000 ILS in a senior Hamas member’s home in Jabalia (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBnYRnEWkAAGrab?format=jpg&name=large) 3:00 AM · Dec 18, 2023
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 18, 2023, 02:06:30 pm
New Hostage Deal Mooted as Mossad Chief, Qatari PM Meet CIA Director in Warsaw
Poland’s capital Warsaw will host Mossad chief David Barnea as he meets CIA director Bill Burns and Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani on Monday in continued efforts to broker a new deal to secure the release of Israeli hostages held by Hamas terrorists in Gaza.
The Ynet news site quoted a source involved as saying the talks would be “long, complicated and more difficult than before.”
The meeting in Warsaw comes three days after the Qatari PM and Barnea met in another European capital to try to relaunch indirect discussions between Israel and Hamas that are being mediated by Qatar, Axios reports.
Previous talks have made headway and seen a limited number of hostages released.
more https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/12/18/new-hostage-deal-mooted-as-mossad-chief-qatari-pm-meet-cia-director-in-warsaw/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 18, 2023, 10:24:24 pm
WATCH: Hamas Produces New Hostage Video; IDF Condemns ‘Atrocious Terror’
The Palestinian terrorist group Hamas released a new hostage video on Monday, showing three elderly male hostages who appear, under duress, to demand that Israel pay any price necessary to secure their release.
The hostages were identified by the Jerusalem Post as Chaim Peri, 79; Yoram Metzger, 80; Amiram Cooper, 84. Peri, ironically, was a peace activist who had volunteers to take Palestinians from Gaza to Israeli hospitals, during peacetime.
The video was released as Israeli negotiators met in Warsaw, Poland, with representatives of the Qatari government, who mediate on behalf of Hamas, to discuss a possible new deal to exchange Israeli civilian hostages for Palestinian terror convicts.
The Times of Israel noted that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) condemned the hostage video as “atrocious terror.”
Hamas and a fellow Iranian-controlled terror organization, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, said over the weekend that they would not accept any deal with Israel that did not involve a complete and permanent ceasefire — meaning that Israel would have to accept defeat in its objective of destroying the groups.
How did IDF, Mossad, ShinBet and Netanyahu miss this???
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 18, 2023, 11:21:57 pm
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PA official blasts Netanyahu’s vow to prevent ‘Hamastan or Fatahstan’ in Gaza: ‘The name is Palestine’ TOI By JACOB MAGID Today, 11:00 pm
A senior Palestinian official hits back at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for declaring that he will not allow Gaza to become “Hamastan or Fatahstan” after the war.
“We say to Netanyahu, it's neither Fatahstan nor Hamastan. The name is Palestine, and it will remain Palestine, whether you like it or not,” PLO Executive Committee Secretary General and top presidential aide Hussein al-Sheikh tweets.
Netanyahu has in recent weeks pledged to block US-backed efforts to eventually return the PA to govern the Gaza Strip, saying he will not allow the territory to be ruled by Hamas or the PA-controlled Fatah party.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 18, 2023, 11:24:29 pm
It can't remain "Palestine." It never was Palestine.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 18, 2023, 11:37:15 pm
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Keir Starmer joins Rishi Sunak in calling for sustainable ceasefire in Gaza The Guardian, Dec 18, 2023
Keir Starmer has joined Rishi Sunak in calling for a sustainable ceasefire in Gaza, as the political rhetoric continues to shift away from unqualified support for Israel’s assault in line with moves from the US and others.
Some senior Conservatives were even more explicit. Ben Wallace, a former defence secretary, said Israel’s “killing rage” risked it losing international support, and Alicia Kearns, who chairs the Commons foreign affairs committee, said she believed Israel had broken international humanitarian law.
The Labour leader said there was a need “to get to a sustainable ceasefire as quickly as possible”, beginning with a pause in the fighting during which the remaining hostages seized by Hamas on 7 October can be freed and aid can enter Gaza.
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In a strongly worded article, Wallace said he agreed with Israel’s right to self-defence but that this did not come without limits: “Going after Hamas is legitimate, obliterating vast swathes of Gaza is not. Using proportionate force is legal, but collective punishment and forced movement of civilians is not.”
The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was at fault for missing warnings about the Hamas attack, Wallace wrote: “But if he thinks a killing rage will rectify matters, then he is very wrong. His methods will not solve this problem. In fact, I believe his tactics will fuel the conflict for another 50 years.”
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 18, 2023, 11:56:38 pm
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The Guardian Updates 39m ago 18.00 EST
Summary of the day so far
It’s 1am in Gaza City and Tel Aviv. Here’s a recap of today’s developments:
Israeli forces have forced displaced Palestinian civilians sheltering at al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City to evacuate the facility and arrested medical staff, according to reports. Richard Sewell, the dean of the Anglican-run St George’s College in Jerusalem, said most of the hospital’s staff have been detained, while medical sources told Al Jazeera that the hospital is now out of service.
The UN security council has postponed a vote calling for a sustainable cessation of hostilities in Gaza to give more time to meet US objections to the wording of the draft resolution. The vote was due on Monday mid afternoon in New York but the US said it could not support a reference to a cessation of hostilities, but might accept suspension of hostilities.
The US defence secretary, Lloyd Austin, has held talks with Israeli officials including prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his defence counterpart, Yoav Gallant, in Tel Aviv on Monday. The discussions focused on Israel shifting away from large-scale aerial and ground operations in the Gaza Strip to a new phrase in the war focused on the precise targeting of Hamas leaders, the US official said.
Aleast 19,453 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since the start of the war, according to the latest tally by the territory’s health ministry on Monday. 52,286 people have been injured, it said. Meanwhile, four Palestinians have been killed on Monday in the Faraa refugee camp, south of the West Bank city of Tubas, in an Israeli military raid, the Palestinian health ministry said.
The armed wing of Hamas, the al-Qassam Brigades, has released a video of three elderly Israeli men being held hostage in Gaza. One man said he was being held in harsh conditions with other elderly hostages suffering chronic illnesses. Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Daniel Hagari said the video was “atrocious terror” that “shows the cruelty of Hamas against elderly civilians.”
The Qatari prime minister, Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani, met the heads of the CIA and Israel’s Mossad spy agency on Monday to discuss a potential new deal to secure the release of Israeli hostages held by Hamas in Gaza, according to reports. But a Palestinian source familiar with the talks told the BBC that negotiations over a new temporary ceasefire “haven’t begun yet”.
The US has raised concerns with Israel after a mother and daughter were allegedly killed by an Israeli military sniper in a church compound in Gaza City, the White House said. The two women were killed inside the Holy Family parish in Gaza City on Saturday, according to the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem. Most of Gaza’s Christian families have taken refuge in the compound since the start of the war. The most senior Catholic cleric in England said the shooting was a “cold–blooded killing” that did “nothing to further Israel’s right to defend itself”. The IDF has appeared to deny responsibility for the deaths.
Human Rights Watch has accused Israel of committing a war crime by starving people in the Gaza Strip who continued to face relentless attacks in the war with Hamas militants. “The Israeli government is using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare in the occupied Gaza Strip,” HRW said in a report. “World leaders should be speaking out against this abhorrent war crime.”
The US secretary of defence, Lloyd Austin, has announced the creation of a multinational operation in the Red Sea following a series of missile and drone attacks by Yemen’s Houthis. Austin, on a trip to Bahrain after talks in Tel Aviv earlier on Monday, said countries participating in the US-led initiative include the UK, Bahrain, Canada, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Seychelles and Spain.
BP has halted all shipments of oil and gas through the Red Sea after a step-up in attacks on cargo ships by Houthi militants. The British oil company said it had paused shipping in the region indefinitely, citing a “deteriorating security situation” amid tensions in the Middle East. BP becomes the first oil company to directly halt its own shipping, after five big shipping firms stopped their vessels passing through the waters between Asia and Africa that connect Asia and Europe.
The UK Labour leader, Keir Starmer, has joined the prime minister, Rishi Sunak, in calling for a sustainable ceasefire in Gaza, as the political rhetoric continued to shift away from unqualified support for Israel’s assault in line with moves from the US and others.
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Post by: Hoodat on December 19, 2023, 12:53:27 am
Keir Starmer joins Rishi Sunak in calling for sustainable ceasefire in Gaza
What happened to the last ceasefire? And the one before that? And the one before that? And the hundreds before that? Each and every time, it was the Palestinians who did not honor the terms of the ceasefire. So why call for something that they already know will only handicap Israel?
(Note: there was a ceasefire in effect on Oct 7. How did that work out for Israel?)
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Post by: LMAO on December 19, 2023, 01:01:17 am
There is no two-state solution. It is a fantasy. I've been hearing that for years.
Not when the starting point for one side is the demise of the other side
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 19, 2023, 01:26:36 am
NBC’s Mitchell on Antisemitism Spike: Israel Lost Sympathy After Bombing Refugee Camp
Ian Hanchett 18 Dec 2023
During an interview with Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Antisemitism Amb. Deborah Lipstadt on Monday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports,” host and NBC News Chief Washington Correspondent and Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent Andrea Mitchell responded to Lipstadt talking about the surge in global antisemitism by stating that “One thing that occurs is that there was so much sympathy for Israel after October 7. It turned rather quickly. And my feeling, anecdotally, is it really turned after the bombing of the refugee camp.”
Mitchell began the interview by stating, “This is a tough time.”
Lipstadt responded, “It’s a very tough time. When I first came into office, it was busy. There was a rise, there was a surge in antisemitism already then, but now we’re seeing a tsunami. And it’s — you’ve mentioned two instances here in the United States, but it’s across the world. I’ve been, since October 7, in Italy, France, Germany, Canada, and now in Israel, but in all those European countries and in Canada, people are afraid. A mother in France said to me, I took my child out of the general school — the public schools as we would call it — because he was being subjected to taunts and calls, etc. But, now, Hamas — the day of supposed terror that Hamas [threatened], I sent him to a Jewish school. I don’t know if he’s safe there. I don’t know what to do. And it was very poignant, very poignant.”
Mitchell then said, “One thing that occurs is that there was so much sympathy for Israel after October 7. It turned rather quickly. And my feeling, anecdotally, is it really turned after the bombing of the refugee camp.”
Lipstadt then cut in to add, “And the hospital.”
more https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/12/18/nbcs-mitchell-on-antisemitism-spike-israel-lost-sympathy-after-bombing-refugee-camp/
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Post by: DB on December 19, 2023, 03:27:07 am
So much for the truth...
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Post by: Elderberry on December 19, 2023, 12:35:28 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF 🔴ELIMINATED: Subhi Ferwana.
Alongside his brother, he funneled tens of millions through his company 'Hamsat' to fund Hamas' military forces, terrorists' salaries and war activities.
The IDF, ISA and other security forces will continue their efforts to dismantle Hamas’ funding lifeline.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 19, 2023, 12:42:24 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · IDF makes significant progress in Khan Younis operations after Special Forces seize undisclosed intelligence materials, @ynetalerts reports; no further details provided, but the report notes that Israel believes Hamas chief Sinwar is hiding in the area..
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · IDF moves deeper into southern Gaza in search of massive terror tunnels where Hamas chiefs are hiding; army calls on residents in western & southern Khan Younis to leave homes as forces head toward more Hamas hubs; Israel believes hostages also held underground. via @WallaNews
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Post by: Elderberry on December 19, 2023, 12:47:19 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · ‘Israel never faced a dynamic of 1300 killed, 240 hostages, nor did the countries throughout Europe and elsewhere…that with incredible temerity turn to Israel to tell us how we have to fight, and when we should stop’ @MirYamInstitute's CEO, @BenAnthony1948 tells @laura_i24
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Post by: Elderberry on December 19, 2023, 01:00:23 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN ·
WATCH: IDF soldiers located a production site and warehouse containing a large stockpile of rockets, explosive devices, and detailed maps of the tunnel network
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 19, 2023, 01:41:02 pm
Report: Biden Administration Spying on Israel to Determine War Crimes
Israel’s tactics in prosecuting its war against Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip has reportedly been actively gathered by U.S. intelligence agencies with reports passed to lawmakers.
Politico reports while American officials say they withholding judgments in real-time about Israel’s observance of the laws of war, the gathered intelligence might allow it to make such assessments post-conflict as to the conduct of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) in relation to international law.
The Politico report sets out:
The U.S. has collected intelligence and formulated detailed assessments related to both Israel and Hamas military movements and tactics in Gaza since the war began in October, according to two people familiar with the intelligence. That has included data on targeting by both sides, the weapons they appear to be using and the potential number of people killed in their ranks.
That information has been shared with members of Congress in several briefings, including with the members of the intelligence committees, the people said. Both individuals were granted anonymity to detail a sensitive issue.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/19/report-u-s-gathering-intel-it-could-use-to-judge-israels-war-conduct/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 19, 2023, 02:17:03 pm
Ships turning off tracking systems to avoid Red Sea attacks: report
Some ships traveling through the Red Sea are now turning off their tracking systems to avoid being attacked by Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthi rebels, a report says.
The evasive maneuvers come as shippers, including Hapag Lloyd, MSC, Maersk, as well as BP and the oil tanker group Frontline, have announced that they will be rerouting their vessels from the area and sending them around South Africa instead.
The news agency, citing data from the London Stock Exchange Group (LSEG), reports that four MSC container ships in the Red Sea have had their transponders shut off since Sunday. The company on Saturday announced its intentions to avoid the area.
Other ships are trying to obscure their whereabouts by pinging their locations as being somewhere else when approaching the Yemen coastline, Ioannis Papadimitriou, a senior freight analyst at Vortexa – a ship tracking company – told Reuters.
Some ships reportedly have armed guards on board. At least 11 cargo vessels that passed through the Suez Canal are currently anchored in the Red Sea between Sudan and Saudi Arabia, Reuters also reported, citing LSEG data.
Fox Business' Greg Norman and Reuters contributed to this update.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 19, 2023, 02:25:58 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 5m JUST IN: Israeli President Herzog says Israel is prepared for another humanitarian pause in exchange for additional hostages released from Gaza
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 19, 2023, 02:33:33 pm
Father of Israeli hostage mistakenly killed by IDF speaks out: ‘You murdered my son twice’ Alon Shamriz was one of 3 Israeli hostages accidentally killed in Gaza by the IDF By Anders Hagstrom Fox News Published December 19, 2023 7:07am EST
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/12/1344/756/GettyImages-1855375605.jpg?ve=1&tl=1) TOPSHOT - Relatives and friends, including the father Avi (2nd-R), mourn as they gather for the funeral of Alon Shamriz, mistakenly killed by Israeli forces in Gaza earlier in the week after being held by Hamas since the October 7 attack, in kibbutz Shefayim near Tel Aviv.
The father of one of the three Israeli hostages mistakenly killed by the IDF in Gaza grieved and lashed out at Israel's leaders on Tuesday.
Avi Shamriz' son, Alon, was killed along with two other Israeli hostages after they apparently escaped from Hamas custody and attempted to surrender to Israeli forces. IDF forces mistook them for Hamas terrorists and opened fire.
"I’m going to say this [to] the government. You murdered my son twice," the distraught father told NBC News. "You let Hamas take my son on Oct. 7, and you killed my son on Dec. 14."
Shamriz' message comes as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu faces mounting pressure to engage in another round of hostage negotiations with Hamas. Israel believes there are over 100 hostages still in Hamas custody, though it is unclear how many of them remain alive.
more https://www.foxnews.com/world/father-israeli-hostage-mistakenly-killed-idf-speaks-you-murdered-my-son-twice
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 19, 2023, 02:39:46 pm
Child Hostages Reveal Horrors of Hamas Captivity: ‘I’ve Never Seen So Many Lice’ One 3-year-old former hostage won't stop talking about 'red men' he saw on Oct. 7 Published 12/19/23 08:41 AM ET|Updated 32 min ago Christopher Gavin
Children freed from Hamas captivity have returned to Israel malnourished, suffering from skin rashes and reluctant to talk about what they witnessed, according to Israeli doctors, who say some have even regressed developmentally in the seven weeks they were held hostage by the terror group.
“I’ve never seen so many lice,” Dr. Yael Mozer-Glassberg, who treated some of the 37 children released from Gaza so far at the Schneider Children’s Medical Center, told the Wall Street Journal.
The youngest of the 240 hostages taken by Hamas in the Oct. 7 terror attacks on southern Israel have been largely quiet about what they witnessed in the war-torn Gaza Strip, doctors who spoke with the Journal said.
If they spoke at all, many did only in hushed tones. In the little that they say, doctors have been left working to interpret their words, trying to determine the psychological toll they've been left to pay.
Efrat Bron-Harlev, chief executive of the Schneider Children’s Medical Center, told the Journal while most of the kids do not speak of the Oct. 7 attacks, one 3-year-old kept talking about "red men."
more https://themessenger.com/news/child-hostages-reveal-horrors-of-hamas-captivity-lice-red-men
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 19, 2023, 03:39:46 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF 🔴ELIMINATED: Subhi Ferwana.
Alongside his brother, he funneled tens of millions through his company 'Hamsat' to fund Hamas' military forces, terrorists' salaries and war activities.
The IDF, ISA and other security forces will continue their efforts to dismantle Hamas’ funding lifeline
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'Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state. NY Times, Dec 10, 2023
Just weeks before Hamas launched the deadly Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, the head of Mossad arrived in Doha, Qatar, for a meeting with Qatari officials.
For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.
During his meetings in September with the Qatari officials, according to several people familiar with the secret discussions, the Mossad chief, David Barnea, was asked a question that had not been on the agenda: Did Israel want the payments to continue?
Mr. Netanyahu’s government had recently decided to continue the policy, so Mr. Barnea said yes. The Israeli government still welcomed the money from Doha.
Allowing the payments — billions of dollars over roughly a decade — was a gamble by Mr. Netanyahu that a steady flow of money would maintain peace in Gaza, the eventual launching point of the Oct. 7 attacks, and keep Hamas focused on governing, not fighting
In interviews with more than two dozen current and former Israeli, American and Qatari officials, and officials from other Middle Eastern governments, The New York Times unearthed new details about the origins of the policy, the controversies that erupted inside the Israeli government and the lengths that Mr. Netanyahu went to in order to shield the Qataris from criticism and keep the money flowing.
The payments were part of a string of decisions by Israeli political leaders, military officers and intelligence officials — all based on the fundamentally flawed assessment that Hamas was neither interested in nor capable of a large-scale attack
Child Hostages Reveal Horrors of Hamas Captivity: ‘I’ve Never Seen So Many Lice’ One 3-year-old former hostage won't stop talking about 'red men' he saw on Oct. 7 Published 12/19/23 08:41 AM ET|Updated 32 min ago Christopher Gavin
Children freed from Hamas captivity have returned to Israel malnourished, suffering from skin rashes and reluctant to talk about what they witnessed, according to Israeli doctors, who say some have even regressed developmentally in the seven weeks they were held hostage by the terror group.
“I’ve never seen so many lice,” Dr. Yael Mozer-Glassberg, who treated some of the 37 children released from Gaza so far at the Schneider Children’s Medical Center, told the Wall Street Journal.
The youngest of the 240 hostages taken by Hamas in the Oct. 7 terror attacks on southern Israel have been largely quiet about what they witnessed in the war-torn Gaza Strip, doctors who spoke with the Journal said.
If they spoke at all, many did only in hushed tones. In the little that they say, doctors have been left working to interpret their words, trying to determine the psychological toll they've been left to pay.
Efrat Bron-Harlev, chief executive of the Schneider Children’s Medical Center, told the Journal while most of the kids do not speak of the Oct. 7 attacks, one 3-year-old kept talking about "red men."
more https://themessenger.com/news/child-hostages-reveal-horrors-of-hamas-captivity-lice-red-men
8888crybaby **nononono*
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 19, 2023, 03:52:47 pm
Report: Biden Administration Spying on Israel to Determine War Crimes
The U.S. has collected intelligence and formulated detailed assessments related to both Israel and Hamas military movements and tactics in Gaza since the war began in October, according to two people familiar with the intelligence. That has included data on targeting by both sides, the weapons they appear to be using and the potential number of people killed in their ranis.
more https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/19/report-u-s-gathering-intel-it-could-use-to-judge-israels-war-conduct/
The article's title fails to mention "both sides".
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 19, 2023, 04:01:31 pm
Hamas rejects holding negotiations over exchanging prisoners during the Israeli war, but is open to any initiative to end it, a senior official from the terrorist group said in a statement on Tuesday.
"We affirm our position of categorically rejecting to hold any form of negotiations over prisoners exchange under the continuing Israeli genocidal war", Basem Naem said.
"We are, however, open to any initiative that contributes to ending the aggression on our people and opening the crossings to bring in aid and provide relief to the Palestinian people," he added.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 19, 2023, 04:09:45 pm
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2 hr 29 min ago Netanyahu, India's Modi discuss Houthi threat to maritime security By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi discussed the Houthi threat to maritime security, with Modi stressing that the freedom of navigation is an essential global necessity that must be ensured.
The two also discussed bringing foreign workers from India to Israel. Netanyahu thanked Modi for India's support of Israel.
Modi posted on X afterwards that he "had a productive exchange of views with PM Netanyahu on the ongoing Israel-Hamas conflict, including shared concerns on the safety of maritime traffic" and "highlighted India’s consistent stand in favour of early restoration of peace and stability in the region with continued humanitarian assistance for the affected."
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 19, 2023, 04:29:35 pm
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Times of Israel Today, 5:49 pm
Impatient ministers said to ask IDF chief: When will we destroy Hamas, kill its leaders?
In what it characterized as an “infantile” exchange at last night’s security cabinet meeting, Channel 12 quotes several ministers impatiently asking IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi when the IDF will destroy Hamas and kill its chiefs.
Several ministers, the report says, asked Halevi: “When will we see an achievement?” They specified that by “an achievement,” they meant bringing home the hostages, destroying Hamas’s capabilities, and eliminating its commanders.
Halevi, in response, reportedly said: “Hitting the commanders takes time. It took 10 years to deliver the head of [Osama] bin Laden. The best people are working on it here, so it’ll take a lot less time.”
Justice Minister Yariv Levin: “We went into Gaza so that it would take 10 years? It’ll take 10 years to destroy Hamas?”
Transportation Minister Miri Regev: “Who’ll be here to see the result?”
Foreign Minister Eli Cohen, Levin and Intelligence Minister Gila Gamliel, together: “We will. We’ll be here in another 10 years.”
Regev: “We need it in a lot less than 10 years.”
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 19, 2023, 04:47:10 pm
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The Guardian Updates 1h ago 10.29 EST
The Foreign Press Association (FPA) in Jerusalem has filed a petition with the Israeli supreme court seeking immediate access for international media to the Gaza Strip.
The FPA said it had submitted multiple requests to the Israeli government and military to gain access but had received “no substantive response”.
The Palestinian territory has been completely sealed off since 7 October. Some Israeli and international reporters have entered Gaza embedded with the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).
“Freedom of the press is a basic civil right in a democratic society,” the FPA said in a statement.
"We also believe it is in the public interest to get a fuller picture of conditions inside Gaza after 10 weeks of extremely limited and highly controlled access."
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 19, 2023, 04:52:26 pm
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The Guardian Updates 1h ago 10.53 EST
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have suspended a group of soldiers recorded smoking a water pipe and joking in front of Palestinians who were detained and blindfolded in the occupied West Bank.
The video shows Israeli soldiers laughing and eating snacks as at least seven Palestinians are sitting blindfolded in Jenin, AP reported.
An IDF spokesperson said the behaviour of the soldiers was “deplorable and stands in stark contrast to the values of the IDF”, adding that the reserve duty soldiers were suspended after a disciplinary hearing.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 19, 2023, 05:09:25 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com ·
1. Israel’s enemies created new military doctrine to counter IDF power, says ex-general Gershon Hacohen via @MakorRishon ; Hamas & Hezbollah strategy aims to prevent Israel from achieving rapid victory in conventional armed conflict
2. Israel’s enemies base their strategy on the following: Large rocket arsenal to keep firing even after IDF moves deep into enemy territory; massive urban defenses to stop quick assault; independent local units that keep fighting even if higher command is eliminated
3. The ex-general notes that Israel’s rivals also use religious motivation to boost fighting spirit; he warns that Israel must modify its own strategy, recognize that the Jewish state's enemies are more creative & stronger than in the past.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 19, 2023, 05:11:21 pm
Israeli president says country is ready for another cease-fire to free remaining hostages
Israel's President Isaac Herzog said Tuesday his country is ready to enter into another temporary truce with Hamas to secure the release of more hostages.
Speaking to a group of ambassadors from 80 countries, Herzog said Israel is ready for another pause in fighting and for additional humanitarian aid to be delivered to Gaza.
"I can reiterate the fact that Israel is ready for another humanitarian pause and additional humanitarian aid in order to enable the release of hostages. And the responsibility lies fully with Sinwar and the leadership of Hamas," Herzog said, according to the Times of Israel.
The Israeli president also urged international organizations to do more to deliver aid to Gaza.
“The amount of humanitarian aid can be tripled instantaneously,” he claimed, alleging that the U.N. and partner organizations have not sent enough trucks to Gaza.
The U.N. has said Israel's bombardment of the Gaza Strip has made it difficult to deliver aid. The U.S. has likewise said Israel's closure of the Kerem Shalom Crossing has inhibited aid deliveries, urging the country to reopen the crossing. Israel did so on Sunday, the Times of Israel reported, with nearly 200 trucks carrying humanitarian aid being delivered to Gaza.
“You can triple the amount of trucks easily if there was only an effort by the United Nations and its partners. The world has to know that you could have had tens of thousands of tons a day more going into Gaza,” Herzog said.
Posted by Chris Pandolfo
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 19, 2023, 05:43:44 pm
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The Guardian Updates 4h ago 08.00 EST
Afternoon summary
UN officials have expressed anger and disbelief about the situation in Gaza hospitals, where injured people do not have basic supplies and children recovering from amputations are being killed in the ongoing conflict. “I’m furious that children who are recovering from amputations in hospitals are then killed in those hospitals,” said James Elder, a spokesperson for the UN children’s agency, on Tuesday. He added that the Nasser hospital, the largest operational hospital left in the territory, had been shelled twice in the past 48 hours.
Israeli strikes killed at least 28 Palestinians in southern Gaza and troops raided one of the last functioning hospitals in the north as the country pressed ahead with its offensive against Hamas on Tuesday with renewed backing from the US, despite rising international alarm. The offensive, launched in response to Hamas’s attack in Israel on 7 October, has killed nearly 20,000 Palestinians and displaced about 1.9 million, demolished much of northern Gaza and sparked attacks on US and Israeli targets.
At least 13 Palestinians were killed and 75 others wounded in an Israeli strike on the Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza on Tuesday, a spokesperson for the health ministry in the Hamas-controlled territory said. There was no immediate response from Israeli authorities, Reuters reported.
Sirens sounded in Tel Aviv on Tuesday and Hamas says it has launched a salvo of rockets against Israel’s commercial capital. There was no immediate word of casualties or damage in the incident, which appeared to show the Palestinian militant group retained longer-range rocket capabilities, even as Israel presses a Gaza war now in its 11th week.
Europe was losing moral ground with the rest of the world as a result of its stance on Gaza, the EU’s foreign policy chief said on Monday. Speaking at a conference in Aosta organised by Le Grand Continent, Josep Borrell also said the EU had been unable to adopt a united view because some countries in Europe were feeling guilty as a result of the Holocaust and second world war. “Amongst Europeans there are very different sensitivities which can be explained for historic and cultural reasons,” he said. “There are a certain number of countries that are prepared to support Israel to the limit because they have a bad guilt complex about the Holocaust and that is not a sentiment that everyone shares.”
A UK Foreign Office minister said he was “particularly disturbed” by reports of people trapped in a church in Gaza who were running out of food and water. Responding to Lib Dem MP Layla Moran’s reports about her Palestinian family’s situation, Andrew Mitchell told the Commons: “The whole House will be gravely concerned about the desperate situation in Gaza. It cannot continue and we are deploying all our diplomatic resources including in the United Nations to help find a viable solution.”
Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthis said on Tuesday they would press on with attacks in the Red Sea, and could mount a naval operation there roughly every 12 hours. The group has stepped up the missile and drone attacks it began last month against international vessels in response to Israel’s assault on the Gaza Strip.
Italy’s navy will send one of its frigates to help protect the Red Sea shipping route against attacks by Yemen’s Houthi militants, the Italian defence ministry has said. “Italy will do its part, together with the international community, to counter the terrorist destabilisation activity of the Houthis,” the Italian defence minister, Guido Crosetto, said on Tuesday.
The UN security council will convene today to weigh a call for a ceasefire in Gaza, after a previous attempt was vetoed by the United States. The vote was postponed to give more time for diplomats to meet US objections to the wording of the draft resolution. The vote in New York had been due on Monday. The US said it could not support a reference to a “cessation of hostilities”, but may accept a call for a “suspension of hostilities”. The Arab countries negotiating the text said they had been encouraged to see that the White House was apparently trying to find wording that it could support – as opposed to simply vetoing resolutions.
The US secretary of defence, Lloyd Austin, has announced the creation of a multinational operation in the Red Sea after a series of missile and drone attacks by Yemen’s Houthis. Austin, on a trip to Bahrain after talks in Tel Aviv earlier on Monday, said countries participating in the US-led initiative include the UK, Bahrain, Canada, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Seychelles and Spain.
BP has halted all shipments of oil and gas through the Red Sea after an increase in attacks on cargo ships by Houthi militants. The British oil company said it had paused shipping in the region indefinitely, citing a “deteriorating security situation” amid tensions in the Middle East. BP becomes the first oil company to directly halt its shipping, after five big shipping firms stopped their vessels passing through the waters between Asia and Africa that connect Asia and Europe.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 19, 2023, 05:53:40 pm
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The Guardian Updates 28m ago 12.20 EST
The UN security council may once again postpone the vote on calling for a cessation of hostilities in Gaza.
The vote had been due on Monday but it was postponed to today after the US said it could not support a reference to a “cessation of hostilities” in the draft resolution.
The vote will now probably be delayed again, Al Jazeera’s Rami Ayari reports. Citing sources, he said the US believed the mention of “cessation” was a “bridge too far”.
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Post by: jafo2010 on December 19, 2023, 06:10:53 pm
And the western world is allowing Yemen to attack shipping in the Red Sea...WHY? Time to level another stinking mussie country. I say level the largest city, destroy every known launching area and the populated areas around it.
Time for the western world to realize they(Yemen) are waging war on non aggressive ships, etc, and this barbarism must stop.
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Post by: Timber Rattler on December 19, 2023, 06:19:30 pm
And the western world is allowing Yemen to attack shipping in the Red Sea...WHY? Time to level another stinking mussie country. I say level the largest city, destroy every known launching area and the populated areas around it.
Time for the western world to realize they(Yemen) are waging war on non aggressive ships, etc, and this barbarism must stop.
There's not much in Yemen to destroy. That's the problem.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 19, 2023, 08:06:30 pm
There's not much in Yemen to destroy. That's the problem.
Nuthin' but tents, goats, donkey carts, and a few AK's.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 19, 2023, 08:20:39 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF 24 hour operational update:
🔺The IDF conducted operational activity against terrorist targets in Khan Yunis where a terrorist launched anti-tank RPG missiles at the troops before he was eliminated.
🔺IDF Troops identified an explosive device planted in a medical clinic near a school in Shejaiya.
🔺Troops destroyed a tunnel shaft near the coastline in southern Gaza. Later the IAF fighter jet struck a building that the terorrists were entering following fleeing the original shaft.
🔺The Israeli Navy is continuing to strike terrorist targets throughout Gaza including compounds where terrorist operatives and vessels used by Hamas for its military activity were located. 3:14 AM · Dec 19, 2023 · 258.2K Views
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 19, 2023, 08:41:10 pm
Gaza hospital chief admits to being Hamas commander, using clinic as military base By Social Links for Snejana Farberov Published Dec. 19, 2023, 1:40 p.m. ET
The head of a Gaza hospital has admitted to being a senior Hamas commander — and detailed how the terror group transformed the medical site into an operational hub that once housed a kidnapped Israeli soldier.
Ahmad Kahlot, director of Kamal Adwan Hospital in Jabaliya, made his taped confession to the Israeli security service Shin Bet after his arrest during last week’s raid on the facility in northern Gaza.
In a video of his interrogation released on X on Tuesday, Kahlot, dressed in an Israeli jail uniform and seated in front of Israel’s flag, said he joined Hamas in 2010 and held a rank equivalent to a brigadier general.
Kahlot revealed that about 16 hospital staffers, including doctors, nurses, paramedics and clerks, were also members of Hamas’ notorious military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.
According to the hospital chief, the medical facility under his care had been turned into an elaborate military hub where up to 100 Hamas terrorists had been holed up for days before moving to a different location.
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/19/news/gaza-hospital-chief-admits-to-being-hamas-commander/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 19, 2023, 10:02:37 pm
Nuthin' but tents, goats, donkey carts, and a few AK's.
We could still lose a war against them.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 20, 2023, 06:26:57 am
This is a rather long article with information on the tunnels not seen before .....
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If the generals are counting tunnels, it suggests things are not going well’ Times of Israel, Dec 19, 2023
This week, the Israel Defense Forces publicized what it said was the biggest Hamas terror tunnel uncovered to date, built under the stewardship of Hamas Gaza chief Yahya Sinwar’s brother Muhammad in the northern Gaza Strip, near the Erez Crossing into Israel.
The IDF didn’t specify if and how the tunnel was utilized during Hamas’s October 7 massacre, when its terrorists slaughtered 1,200 people in southern Israel. But since it extends some four kilometers, from the northern part of the Jabaliya refugee camp to 300 meters (less than a thousand feet) short of the border, it is not unreasonable to deduce that it played a part.
From its large northern opening, dozens of motorcycles or all-terrain vehicles could emerge quickly. With a group that size and that close to the border fence, IDF observation posts and patrols would be too late and too overwhelmed to prevent an attack.
Israel has known for years about Hamas’s Gaza underworld, including its vast tunnel networks, but largely chose not to carry out cross-border operations to demolish them. This was both a consequence of a policy of containing Hamas, and because sending ground troops into Gaza requires complex military considerations and great risk to soldiers’ lives. The political echelons avoided this at almost all costs, until October 7.
The tunnel exposed this week is known colloquially as a “stem.” The IDF didn’t publish footage of its “branches,” but they exist. The massive tunnel system consists of a main shaft that descends to a depth of 50 meters, with “branches” coming off the sides and exit shafts located in schools and other buildings.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 20, 2023, 12:36:12 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN 'We have to make a deal that will release all of them'
Col. (Ret.) @Amitassaauthor, a former member of the Israeli Security Agency, breaks down how #Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh and Palestinian Islamic Jihad leaders arriving in Egypt for negotiations will affect the war
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Post by: Elderberry on December 20, 2023, 12:40:56 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'The question is whether this situation is a background for negotiations'
Brig. Gen. (res.) Hanan Gefen breaks down why despite continued exchanges of fire on the Israel-Lebanon border, #Hezbollah has held off on attacking Israel full-on
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Post by: Elderberry on December 20, 2023, 12:46:54 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · 'Please take Gaza, we don't want Gaza'
Former IDF intelligence officer, Raphael Jerusalmy breaks down what the next few weeks of the IDF ground operation and near future may entail for the #GazaStrip
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 20, 2023, 02:15:52 pm
‘Coalition of the Unwilling’: U.S. Won’t Attack Houthis, Can’t Get Major Arab Countries to Join Effort Openly
The “coalition” of countries formed by the U.S. to deter Houthi attacks on international shipping in the Red Sea and the Bab-el-Mandeb strait excludes Israel. It also omits Saudi Arabia and Egypt, two of the other countries directly affected by the threat.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 20, 2023, 02:18:21 pm
IDF Dog Reached Hostages but Was Shot by Hamas; Audio Only Found Later
A dog sent by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) into the lair of Hamas terrorists during a firefight last week recorded audio of three Israeli hostages calling for help — but the dog’s media feed was only reviewed Monday, three days after the hostages were killed.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 20, 2023, 02:55:54 pm
Gaza Is Now ‘Most Dangerous Place in the World To Be a Child’: UNICEF The UN agency shared the story of a 12-year-old Palestinian girl who lost her leg in an Israeli airstrike, only to die in another as she recovered in a hospital Published 12/20/23 07:25 AM ET|Updated 1 hr ago Luke Funk
A UNICEF spokesperson called Gaza “the most dangerous place in the world to be a child” during a press briefing in Geneva on Tuesday, amid growing concerns in the international community that the besieged Strip is becoming a humanitarian catastrophe.
James Elder, of the United Nations children's agency, spoke to reporters at the UN offices at the historic Palais des Nations in Geneva.
“Over the past 48 hours, the largest remaining fully functioning hospital was shelled, twice,” Elder said.
“That hospital – Al Nasser in Khan Yunis – not only shelters large numbers of children who had already been badly injured in attacks on their homes, but hundreds of women and children seeking safety.”
more https://themessenger.com/news/gaza-most-dangerous-place-in-the-world-child-unicef
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 20, 2023, 06:11:39 pm
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 20, 2023, 06:21:31 pm
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The Guardian Updates 5h ago 08.02 EST
Afternoon summary
The leader of Hamas made his first visit to Egypt for more than a month on Wednesday, a rare personal intervention in diplomacy amid what a source described as intensive talks on a new ceasefire to let aid reach Gaza and get hostages freed. The Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, who normally resides in Qatar, typically intervenes in diplomacy publicly only when progress seems likely. He last travelled to Egypt in early November before the announcement of the only agreement on a ceasefire in the war so far, a week-long pause during which more than 100 hostages were released. A source briefed on negotiations said envoys were discussing which of the hostages still held by militants in Gaza could be freed under a new truce agreement, and what prisoners Israel might release in return.
Israel was insisting that all remaining women and infirm men among hostages be released, the source said, declining to be identified. Palestinians convicted of serious offences could be on the list of prisoners to be freed. The source described the negotiations as intensive and said a breakthrough could be possible within days. A Palestinian official said Haniyeh was keen to listen to Egyptian officials for a possible new approach and noted that the official position of Hamas was to reject any new temporary ceasefire and demand a permanent halt to fighting.
Israel appears to be nearing the final stages of its clearing operation in the northern Gaza Strip, according to the Institute for the Study of War. The US-based thinktank said Israel had degraded Hamas’s north Gaza brigade, with the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) announcing on Tuesday that it had completely “dismantled” Hamas’s three battalions operating in Jabaliya, just north of Gaza City. It said in its update with the Critical Threats Project that about 500 suspected Palestinians fighters had surrendered to Israeli forces in the Jabaliya refugee camp.
At least 66% of jobs have been lost in Gaza since the Israel-Hamas conflict erupted in October, the International Labour Organization (ILO) said on Wednesday, warning that employment losses could continue to increase in the enclave. The losses amount to a total of 192,000 jobs in the small Palestinian territory, the ILO said in its second assessment of the impact of Israeli ground and airstrikes on Gaza which began after a deadly cross-border incursion by Hamas. In a first assessment released in early November, ILO estimated that 182,000 jobs had been lost in Gaza, a figure representing more than 60% of employment.
Greece has advised commercial vessels sailing in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden to avoid Yemeni waters, keep only the necessary crew on the bridge and follow alerts issued by maritime authorities to avoid attacks in the area. Greek ship-owners control about 20% of the world’s commercial vessels in terms of carrying capacity.
The US has announced the creation of an enhanced naval protection force operating in the southern Red Sea in an attempt to ward off mounting attacks from Yemen’s rebel Houthis on merchant shipping. Britain said it would be among the countries participating but notable absentees were Arab nations Egypt and Saudi Arabia, while analysts speculated that shipping would continue to be disrupted with attacks.
Twelve Palestinians were killed in an Israeli strike on a house in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis, health officials in the territory said. Residents on Wednesday reported intensifying gun battles between Hamas fighters and Israeli forces in the centre and eastern districts of the city. The Hamas-run Gaza health ministry said on Tuesday that 19,667 Palestinians had been killed and 52,586 wounded in the war.
The Israeli military attacked a military structure of the Hezbollah militant group after intercepting six rockets launched from Lebanon on Tuesday, the military said. It also attacked a squad that carried out a shooting at a Israeli military post in the Malkia border area which left two reserve soldiers “moderately injured”, Israel Defence Forces spokesman Daniel Hagari said.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 20, 2023, 06:24:44 pm
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The Guardian Updates 3h ago 09.55 EST
The head of Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthis said on Wednesday his group would start firing missiles at US warships if Washington got more involved in its affairs or targeted Yemen.
Abdel-Malek al-Houthi also warned other countries not to get involved in a multinational operation launched by the US on Tuesday to safeguard commerce in the Red Sea after a surge in Houthi attacks on vessels.
If the US gets more involved, the Houthis “will not stand idly by and will target them and their battleships and interests with missiles,” Abdel-Malek al-Houthi said in a televised speech.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 20, 2023, 06:29:16 pm
This ain't 1996, Bibi.
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The Guardian Updates 3h ago 10.50 EST
Netanyahu vows Israel will continue fighting 'until Hamas is destroyed'
Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, has vowed that Israel will continue its war against Hamas “to the end”, until the militant group is “destroyed”.
In a statement, reported by the Times of Israel, Netanyahu said:
"We’re continuing the war to the end. It will continue until Hamas is destroyed – until victory … until all the goals we set are met: destroying Hamas, releasing our hostages and removing the threat from Gaza."
He added:
"Anyone who thinks we’ll stop is unmoored from reality … We’re raining fire on Hamas, hell fire. All Hamas terrorists, from first to last face death. They have two options only: surrender or die."
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 20, 2023, 06:33:22 pm
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The Guardian Updates 1h ago 12.14 EST
The US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, said it was clear that the conflict in Gaza “needs to move to a lower intensity phase”.
Speaking at a briefing, he told reporters:
"We expect to see, and want to see, a shift to more targeted operations with a smaller number of forces, dealing with the leadership, the tunnel network, and a few other critical things. And as that happens, I think you’ll see the harm done to civilians also decrease significantly."
"We’ve said all along – and we have these conversations almost every day – that it is vitally important Israel conduct operations with a focus on protecting civilians, minimizing harm to them, maximizing assistance getting to them.”
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 20, 2023, 06:35:58 pm
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The Guardian Updates 1h ago 12.25 EST
Gaza death toll passes 20,000, says Hamas
At least 20,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since the war began on 7 October, according to figures by the Hamas government’s media office.
Among those killed include about 8,000 children and 6,200 women, AFP reported that Hamas said.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 20, 2023, 06:40:23 pm
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The Guardian Updates 28m ago 13.09 EST
The political leaders of Hamas have begun talks with the group’s military wing about how to govern Gaza and the West Bank after the war with Israel ends, according to a report.
The talks, reported by the Wall Street Journal, are the clearest sign that Hamas’ political wing is beginning to plan for what happens after the conflict ends.
“We want the war to end,” Husam Badran, a member of Hamas’s political bureau in Qatar, told the paper, adding:
"We don’t fight just because we want to fight. We are not partisans of a zero-sum game."
He said Hamas’s political faction wants to “establish a Palestinian state” in Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem.
Hamas’ political leaders have reportedly said they would be willing to join the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO). “It will be a national dialogue,” Badran said.
"We have always said the PLO should contain any Palestinian faction."
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 20, 2023, 06:46:41 pm
Why is the "political" wing of Hamas not being 'destroyed'. At the very least arrested and imprisoned for conspiracy to conduct war.
Since when do you destroy the enemy's military and leave the political leadership unscathed?
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 20, 2023, 07:07:44 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 20h Israel is offering to pause the fighting in Gaza for at least one week as part of a new deal to get Hamas to release more than three dozen hostages, including the remaining women Hamas is holding, men above the age of 60 and other hostages who are seriously injured. (Axios)
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 20, 2023, 07:08:43 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 20, 2023, 09:51:06 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender · 36m · Israeli and Lebanese Mediators fear that Time has almost Run Out to prevent a Full-Scale War in Southern Lebanon between the Israel Defense Force and Hezbollah, with Officials in Washington worried that the U.S. will likely be Directly Drawn-Into such a Conflict.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 20, 2023, 09:53:05 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 1h #BREAKING: Hamas rejected an Israeli offer to stop fighting for one week in exchange for dozens of hostages, saying the group wouldn’t discuss releasing their Israeli captives until a cease-fire first goes into effect. (WSJ)
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Post by: berdie on December 20, 2023, 11:27:45 pm
Instant News Alerts @InstaNewsAlerts · 1h #BREAKING: Hamas rejected an Israeli offer to stop fighting for one week in exchange for dozens of hostages, saying the group wouldn’t discuss releasing their Israeli captives until a cease-fire first goes into effect. (WSJ)
Tough position for Israel.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 20, 2023, 11:30:17 pm
Adin - עדין @AdinHaykin1 So no one is talking about how two Palestinian children were killed today in Jenin in a work accident while carrying explosives on a motorcycle for Palestinian Islamic Jihad group (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBzvieNWYAAB8n6?format=jpg&name=small) 12:36 PM · Dec 20, 2023
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Post by: berdie on December 20, 2023, 11:41:57 pm
Adin - עדין @AdinHaykin1 So no one is talking about how two Palestinian children were killed today in Jenin in a work accident while carrying explosives on a motorcycle for Palestinian Islamic Jihad group (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBzvieNWYAAB8n6?format=jpg&name=small) 12:36 PM · Dec 20, 2023
Interesting phraseology.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 21, 2023, 12:58:38 am
Israel Defense Forces @IDF · Follow LTC Ido, the deputy commander of the 401st Brigade, as he exposes a terrorist tunnel he and his soldiers uncovered in a civilian garage, next door to a community college and a school for deaf children.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 21, 2023, 01:19:07 am
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · ‘Egypt is holding the key for Hamas leaders leaving the Gaza strip’
Gonen Ben Itzhak (@GONENB1), a former Shin Bet agent breaks down Egypt’s integral diplomatic role in the resolution that will end Hamas’s rule over the Gaza Strip
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Post by: Elderberry on December 21, 2023, 12:52:26 pm
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN
'There is a huge gap between how the U.S. sees the situation, the Arab countries, and Israel' Lt. Col. (res.) Dr. @shayharzvi1 breaks down the implications not just for Israel but for the wider region if Hamas is not eradicated from the #GazaStrip
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Post by: Elderberry on December 21, 2023, 12:55:41 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN·
'It's not a war for territory, it's a war for eliminating Hamas' Col (res.) Oliver Rafowicz breaks down the IDF ground operation, which he says is happening throughout the #GazaStrip
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Post by: Elderberry on December 21, 2023, 12:57:56 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN·
'Time is the oxygen they need to survive, and this is the thing Israel will not give them because otherwise, the entire war effort will not succeed' @YaakovLappin, a Military analyst at @MirYamInstitute , @JNS_org explains the most crucial aspect to Israel-Hamas negotiations
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Post by: Elderberry on December 21, 2023, 01:02:17 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com·
About 30 rockets fired at central Israel, most of them intercepted; IDF set to move into Gaza City's Daraj Tuffah district, major Hamas hub & launch zone. @ynetalerts & @N12News
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com·
Large barrage targets numerous central Israel towns; explosions reported across Tel Aviv area, Iron Dome activated; Hamas may fire remaining rockets in larger batches as IDF forces move closer to launch areas.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 21, 2023, 01:04:41 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN·
'We have been witnessing, for the last 75 days, low-intensity conflict with Hezbollah, well it has changed. This is now a high-intensity conflict with Hezbollah' Col. (ret.) Dr. Jacques Neriah breaks down the change on Israel's northern front
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 21, 2023, 02:20:06 pm
Hamas Cuts Off Hostage Negotiations; Refuses to Talk Under Fire
The Palestinian Hamas terrorist group has cut off negotiations with Israel, demanding a lull in fighting before any more talks. Israel, which is closing in on Hamas leaders in Gaza, refused that demand.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 21, 2023, 04:08:44 pm
Hamas wants a lull in the fighting? What a joke. Maybe they should stop pounding Israel with missiles. https://twitter.com/Ostrov_A/status/1737800305360740613
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 21, 2023, 04:11:11 pm
Hamas: No Hostage Exchange Negotiations Unless Israel Ends War Ed Morrissey 9:21 AM on December 21, 2023
Well, that’s that. Under pressure from the US and other allies as well as the families of the remaining hostages, Israel offered a one-week operational pause to exchange more Palestinian prisoners to free the remaining Israelis. That offered a longer pause than the first deal, and a potential framework for other discussions.
Instead, Hamas insisted on a formal cease-fire, release of all imprisoned Palestinians, and increased aid just to open negotiations:
The hostage negotiations were set to include, for the first time, representatives of Hamas ally Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which has also said that Israel must implement a cease-fire before negotiations could start. Islamic Jihad also demands that Israel free all of its thousands of Palestinian prisoners in return for the over 100 hostages remaining in Gaza.
Fighters belonging to Islamic Jihad, which like Hamas has been designated a terrorist organization by the U.S., also participated in the Oct. 7 attacks in Israel and took hostages.
In the offer rejected by Hamas, Israel sought the release of 40 hostages, including all the remaining women and children and elderly male hostages who need urgent medical treatment, the Egyptian officials said. In return, the Israeli military would pause its ground and air operations in Gaza for a week and allow further humanitarian aid to enter the enclave, the Egyptian officials said.
more https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2023/12/21/hamas-no-hostage-exchange-negotiations-unless-israel-ends-war-n600499
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 21, 2023, 06:04:55 pm
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Blinken: Ending Israel-Hamas war ‘as quickly as possible’ top priority for US in 2024 Times of Israel, Dec 20, 2023
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Wednesday that bringing the Israel-Hamas war to an end “as quickly as possible” is a top priority for the Biden administration in the year ahead.
The goal was listed as the number four priority set by Blinken for 2024 during a year-end press conference. Supporting Ukraine in the war against Russia, combating China and coalition building are priorities listed ahead of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which in previous years was even lower down the Biden administration’s list of priorities.
“It’s clear that this conflict needs to move — will move — to a lower intensity phase,” Blinken said. “We expect to see, and want to see, a shift to more targeted operations, with a smaller number of forces that are really focused on dealing with the leadership of Hamas, the tunnel network and a few other different things.”
As that happens, you’ll see the harm done to civilians decrease significantly,” the US secretary of state added.
The Biden administration has intensified its rhetoric on the need for Israel to wind down high-intensity fighting in Gaza while being careful not to publicly set a timeline for when this must happen. Privately, visiting Biden Administration officials have told Israel that they expect the phasing to lower intensity fighting to begin in January, two US and Israeli officials told The Times of Israel.
He reiterated that the US will continue to engage with Israel in order to minimize harm to civilians, secure the release of all hostages, prevent the conflict from spreading and move toward a “durable, lasting peace.”
Blinken has stressed the Biden administration’s support for the establishment of a Palestinian state in each of the dozen-plus phone calls he has held with counterparts around the world in recent days, according to readouts issued by his office.
The US has viewed Hamas’s potential eradication in Gaza as an opportunity to reunite the Strip and the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority, in what could pave a path toward a two-state solution. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the rest of the Israeli government are deeply opposed to the idea, but Jerusalem is increasingly reliant on support from the US, especially as it seeks to prevent the opening of a second front with Hezbollah in Lebanon.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 21, 2023, 06:28:31 pm
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Fighting terrorism did not mean Israel had to ‘flatten Gaza’, says Emmanuel Macron The Guardian, Dec 20, 2023
Emmanuel Macron has said that Israel’s goal of fighting terrorism did not mean it had to “flatten Gaza”, referring to its response to Hamas’s attack on 7 October.
“We cannot let the idea take root that an efficient fight against terrorism implies to flatten Gaza or attack civilian populations indiscriminately,” Macron told the France 5 broadcaster.
The French president called on Israel “to stop this response because it is not appropriate, because all lives are worth the same and we defend them”.
While acknowledging “Israel’s right to defend itself and fight terror”, Macron said France called for the protection of civilians and “a truce leading to a humanitarian ceasefire”.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 21, 2023, 07:23:03 pm
WATCH: IDF Destroys Tunnels Underneath ‘Elite Quarter’ of Gaza City
Joel B. Pollak 21 Dec 2023
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) destroyed a tunnel network Thursday used by the “elite” leaders of Hamas in the area of Shejaiya, in Gaza City, in northern Gaza.
The underground detonation, set by the combat engineers of the Yahalom (“Diamond”) unit, set off explosions underneath several city blocks.
The IDF said in a statement:
Last night (Wednesday), the IDF exposed the terrorist infrastructure embedded in Hamas’ “Elite Quarter” in Gaza City, including a large network of strategic underground tunnels which connect hideouts, and bureaus belonging to Hamas’ senior military and political leadership. Today (Thursday), the network of tunnels was destroyed in a controlled manner.
As Breitbart News reported on Wednesday, the IDF found the tunnel network after clearing Hamas terrorists out of the area around “Palestine Square,” where terrorists and Hamas supporters had jeered Israeli hostages on their capture and release.
The tunnels extended from the homes and offices of senior Hamas leaders and their aides, and consisted of several levels, with sophisticated construction that included underground elevators and blast doors to repel potential attacks and deflect explosions.
According to the Times of Israel, the IDF said Thursday that it had gained full control of Shejaiya, where Hamas terrorists had fought Israeli soldiers for several days. Nine elite Golani soldiers had been killed last week in a Hamas ambush there; it was also the neighborhood where three Israeli hostages were accidentally killed by the IDF after escaping their Hamas captors.
The detonation of the tunnel network is a significant moment for the Yahalom unit, which has lost several members in Gaza. Yahalom engineers are exposed to booby-trapped tunnels and must also fight Hamas soldiers it encounters near the tunnels.
Hamas said Thursday that it would not negotiate with Israel for the release of the roughly 128 hostages still in its custody unless Israel agrees to a permanent ceasefire. It has rejected a pause that would allow Israel to resume fighting after hostage exchanges.
video at link https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/12/21/watch-idf-destroys-tunnels-underneath-elite-quarter-of-gaza-city/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 21, 2023, 07:24:49 pm
If the generals are counting tunnels, it suggests things are not going well’ Times of Israel, Dec 19, 2023
This week, the Israel Defense Forces publicized what it said was the biggest Hamas terror tunnel uncovered to date, built under the stewardship of Hamas Gaza chief Yahya Sinwar’s brother Muhammad in the northern Gaza Strip, near the Erez Crossing into Israel.
The IDF didn’t specify if and how the tunnel was utilized during Hamas’s October 7 massacre, when its terrorists slaughtered 1,200 people in southern Israel. But since it extends some four kilometers, from the northern part of the Jabaliya refugee camp to 300 meters (less than a thousand feet) short of the border, it is not unreasonable to deduce that it played a part.
From its large northern opening, dozens of motorcycles or all-terrain vehicles could emerge quickly. With a group that size and that close to the border fence, IDF observation posts and patrols would be too late and too overwhelmed to prevent an attack.
Israel has known for years about Hamas’s Gaza underworld, including its vast tunnel networks, but largely chose not to carry out cross-border operations to demolish them. This was both a consequence of a policy of containing Hamas, and because sending ground troops into Gaza requires complex military considerations and great risk to soldiers’ lives. The political echelons avoided this at almost all costs, until October 7.
The tunnel exposed this week is known colloquially as a “stem.” The IDF didn’t publish footage of its “branches,” but they exist. The massive tunnel system consists of a main shaft that descends to a depth of 50 meters, with “branches” coming off the sides and exit shafts located in schools and other buildings.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 21, 2023, 08:34:23 pm
If Hamas has money for tunnels and rockets, they have money for food, water, shelter, hospitals, and schools ... they just chose to spend the money on destroying Israel instead of building a more peaceful and prosperous Gaza.
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Damn, Hamas buiilds better tunnels than Bechtel. Boston should have hired them for the Big Dig.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 21, 2023, 08:36:21 pm
Emmanuel Macron has said that Israel’s goal of fighting terrorism did not mean it had to “flatten Gaza”
Merde.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on December 21, 2023, 08:59:20 pm
What did Hamas excpect after they carried out the largest mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust?
Israel has to flatten Gaza because Hamas does not fight out in the open using rules of engagement.
Hamas is an irregular terrorist army that embeds itself among civilians calculating that Western powers would lack the resolve to risk substantial civilian casualties necessary to significantly degrade Hamas. Hamas miscalculated - October 7th was too successful; Israel could not allow Gaza to remain a threat to Israeli civilians.
This could all end now if Iran's proxy, Hamas, surrendered and released the hostages.
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 21, 2023, 09:58:46 pm
What did Hamas excpect after they carried out the largest mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust?
Israel has to flatten Gaza because Hamas does not fight out in the open using rules of engagement.
Hamas is an irregular terrorist army that embeds itself among civilians calculating that Western powers would lack the resolve to risk substantial civilian casualties necessary to significantly degrade Hamas. Hamas miscalculated - October 7th was too successful; Israel could not allow Gaza to remain a threat to Israeli civilians.
This could all end now if Iran's proxy, Hamas, surrendered and released the hostages.
Word! :patriot:
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Post by: berdie on December 21, 2023, 10:51:41 pm
What did Hamas excpect after they carried out the largest mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust?
Israel has to flatten Gaza because Hamas does not fight out in the open using rules of engagement.
Hamas is an irregular terrorist army that embeds itself among civilians calculating that Western powers would lack the resolve to risk substantial civilian casualties necessary to significantly degrade Hamas. Hamas miscalculated - October 7th was too successful; Israel could not allow Gaza to remain a threat to Israeli civilians.
This could all end now if Iran's proxy, Hamas, surrendered and released the hostages.
Exactly.
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Post by: libertybele on December 21, 2023, 10:58:15 pm
What did Hamas excpect after they carried out the largest mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust?
Israel has to flatten Gaza because Hamas does not fight out in the open using rules of engagement.
Hamas is an irregular terrorist army that embeds itself among civilians calculating that Western powers would lack the resolve to risk substantial civilian casualties necessary to significantly degrade Hamas. Hamas miscalculated - October 7th was too successful; Israel could not allow Gaza to remain a threat to Israeli civilians.
This could all end now if Iran's proxy, Hamas, surrendered and released the hostages.
My hunch is the hostages that they claim that they have are likely dead or so battered and in such horrific shape that they can't release them.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 22, 2023, 12:14:15 am
This could all end now if Iran's proxy, Hamas, surrendered and released the hostages.
Are you sure about that? It seems history has proven that between Israel and Palestine any end is but a lull in the fightng --- with Israel's enemies growing stronger.
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 22, 2023, 12:29:31 am
Are you sure about that? It seems history has proven that between Israel and Palestine any end is but a lull in the fightng --- with Israel's enemies growing stronger.
Not sure if "stronger" is the word. "Larger" perhaps.
I'm 110% behind Israel flattening the entire Gaza Strip. Even if they surrender.
"NEVER AGAIN" means never again!
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Post by: Hoodat on December 22, 2023, 12:32:22 am
Not sure if "stronger" is the word. "Larger" perhaps.
Looking at the tunnels that have been built and the advance from sending glorified firecrackers as rockets to steel rockets with range to hit Jerusalem points to strength more than size, IMO.
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 22, 2023, 12:52:21 am
Looking at the tunnels that have been built and the advance from sending glorified firecrackers as rockets to steel rockets with range to hit Jerusalem points to strength more than size, IMO.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 22, 2023, 12:46:30 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Hamas uses children to move explosives around Gaza, terror commander reveals during interrogation in Israel; Hamas also sends unarmed operatives with children on motorcycles to collect intel on IDF forces, Israeli officer says. via @ynetalerts
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Post by: Elderberry on December 22, 2023, 12:49:27 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · Hamas reportedly discusses with the Fatah the possibility of joining the PLO and Gaza's government in the future
'Israel should be very strict and firm in its stands. All these things of a sort of a coalition are unheard of, and Israel must resist that,' says Prof. @uzi_rabi
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Post by: Elderberry on December 22, 2023, 12:54:02 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · War update: Fighter jets bomb multiple Hezbollah military sites in Lebanon after over 20 rockets & anti-tank missiles fired at Israel; reports from Gaza: 3 killed in IDF strike on vehicle in Rafah. via @N12News Quote Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Gaza war update: IDF locates & destroys long-range rocket launchers used to fire at Israel; forces seize weapons near daycare center in Gaza City including mortars & explosives; Navy bombs Hamas terror targets on Gaza coast; 2 soldiers killed in fighting. via @idfonline
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Post by: Elderberry on December 22, 2023, 12:58:21 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN
🔴IDF: Over the past two days, troops have conducted intelligence-based targeted raids on compounds where #Hamas terrorists were operating in a school on the outskirts of Shati
The troops located large quantities of weapons, ammunition, and maps belonging to Hamas
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Post by: Elderberry on December 22, 2023, 01:04:52 pm
i24NEWS English @i24NEWS_EN · Can Qatar and Egypt pressure Hamas to accept a hostage deal?
'What Sinwar thought would be international pressure or support from other Arab states has failed. He's been left with only one card: the hostages,' says Prof. @uzi_rabi
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 22, 2023, 01:22:18 pm
Dem Rep. Moulton: Israel Stopped Listening to Biden After Delaying Invasion Based on His Advice
On Thursday’s “CNN News Central,” Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA) stated that Israel listened to the Biden administration at the beginning of the war with Hamas and “They delayed the invasion based on administration advice to take it more slowly, to devise a better plan before they went into Gaza. But it’s hard to say that Israel is listening to us now. They are clearly doubling down on these same tactics.”
more https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/12/21/dem-rep-moulton-israel-stopped-listening-to-biden-after-delaying-invasion-based-on-his-advice/
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Post by: Elderberry on December 22, 2023, 01:25:25 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com ·
IDF’s elite 98th Division killed hundreds of terrorists in Khan Younis, mostly from close range, attacked 1,300 targets, exposed 150 tunnel shafts; Kfir Brigade also deployed in city after completing mission in northern Gaza. via @ynetalerts
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Post by: mountaineer on December 22, 2023, 02:00:37 pm
Dem Rep. Moulton: Israel Stopped Listening to Biden After Delaying Invasion Based on His Advice
Good. The worst thing Israel - or any other nation on earth, including the US - could do is listen to the Biden Administration.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 22, 2023, 06:38:01 pm
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U.N. Security Council Passes Gaza Aid Resolution as U.S. Abstains Dec 22, 2023, NY TIMES Updates
The United Nations Security Council on Friday adopted a resolution calling for a surge in aid to desperate civilians in the Gaza Strip, ending nearly a week of intense diplomatic wrangling intended to ensure that the United States would not block the measure.
The vote was 13-0 in favor of the resolution, with the United States and Russia abstaining. The final version of the resolution did not demand an immediate pause in the fighting, at the insistence of the United States, and so was unlikely to affect the fighting in Gaza, where about 20,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli airstrikes and ground operations.
Russia proposed an amendment that would have partially reverted to an earlier version of the resolution, including a pause in the fighting, but the United States vetoed that change.
Friday’s resolution, put forward by the U.A.E., the only Arab country currently on the 15-member council, called on the warring parties in Gaza to allow the use of “all available routes” into Gaza for aid deliveries, according to a draft that was circulated before the vote. It also demands the immediate release of all hostages abducted during the Hamas attack on Israel on Oct. 7.
One major sticking point in talks had been the question of whether Israel would still inspect all aid shipments, a system U.N. officials said had made it nearly impossible to scale up the delivery of food, fuel, medicine and other aid.
The final resolution asks the U.N. secretary general to appoint a coordinator responsible for “facilitating, coordinating, monitoring and verifying” that aid cargo entering Gaza is humanitarian in nature, who would be “consulting all relevant parties.”
The approved resolution also dropped a call for the “urgent suspension of hostilities” from an earlier version, instead calling for “urgent steps” to allow unhindered humanitarian access and the creation of “conditions for a sustainable cessation of hostilities.”
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 22, 2023, 06:43:18 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Hamas uses children to move explosives around Gaza, terror commander reveals during interrogation in Israel; Hamas also sends unarmed operatives with children on motorcycles to collect intel on IDF forces, Israeli officer says. via @ynetalerts
First time or just something else missed by the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet?
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 22, 2023, 06:53:13 pm
Meant that surely Israel has the military capacity to destroy the enemy, but because Hamas doesn't fight conventionally, Israel has to dance, bob and weave to keep civilians alive.
Funny that the United States and Allied forces never thought of that being applied to Dresden, Germany or Tokyo, Japan.
Israel if fighting two fronts. Hamas and Public Opinion.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 22, 2023, 07:45:46 pm
Meant that surely Israel has the military capacity to destroy the enemy, but because Hamas doesn't fight conventionally, Israel has to dance, bob and weave to keep civilians alive.
Nah ..... If Israel's learned anything it should be not to expect their enemy to fight a war according to Israel's preferences @DCPatriot As for dancing, every unit engaged in urban warfare bobs and weaves to keep their soldiers alive, including the IDF.
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Funny that the United States and Allied forces never thought of that being applied to Dresden, Germany or Tokyo, Japan.
I'm not sure what this means, sorry ....
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Israel if fighting two fronts. Hamas and Public Opinion.
Welcome to war in the age of worldwide communications in the blink of an eye.
The good news is: no nation is more prepared for a PR battle than is the State of Israel.
Or use the ones the found in those Hamas honeyholes.
Watching the videos, Hamas, like most M.E. terrorists, use the AK.
It does dawn on me, however, there is a good chance these rifles were made after 1986, and if so, no American civilian could legally own one.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 22, 2023, 08:32:08 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF Operational update from area of Issa within Gaza City:
🔺Soldiers of the Yiftah Battalion and combat engineering forces struck Hamas headquarters and eliminated terrorists.
🔺Soldiers of the Paratroopers Brigade, who were operating in the area, located and discovered a number of shafts leading to a significant undergound tunnel route.
🔺Soldiers of the Yahalom Unit and the Oketz K-9 Unit examined and destroyed the significant and strategic underground tunnel route—used as an underground base by Hamas
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Post by: Elderberry on December 22, 2023, 08:38:40 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Dramatic decline in Gaza rocket fire: Experts say Hamas starting to run out of rockets. Chart shows rocket alerts in Israeli communities near Gaza
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · Dramatic decline in Gaza rocket fire: Experts say Hamas starting to run out of rockets. Chart shows rocket alerts in Israeli communities near Gaza
They're also running out of schools and hospitals to launch them from.
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Post by: Hoodat on December 22, 2023, 08:52:14 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF Operational update from area of Issa within Gaza City:
🔺Soldiers of the Yiftah Battalion and combat engineering forces struck Hamas headquarters and eliminated terrorists.
🔺Soldiers of the Paratroopers Brigade, who were operating in the area, located and discovered a number of shafts leading to a significant undergound tunnel route.
🔺Soldiers of the Yahalom Unit and the Oketz K-9 Unit examined and destroyed the significant and strategic underground tunnel route—used as an underground base by Hamas
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Post by: mountaineer on December 22, 2023, 11:25:48 pm
IDF is learning all kinds of things about the Palestinian culture while in Gaza. https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1738150220918050982
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 22, 2023, 11:48:55 pm
Israel releases footage from army canine sent into Hamas tunnels
The Israel Defense Forces released video footage Friday from a camera attached to an army canine sent into Hamas tunnels in Gaza.
The tunnels functioned as underground outposts for the terror group, the IDF said.
Israel has made an effort to destroy as many tunnels in Gaza as it can. Posted by Louis Casiano
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 22, 2023, 11:50:44 pm
First American hostage dies in Hamas captivity
(http://)https://a57.foxnews.com/livenews.foxnews.com/images/2023/12/1440/810/04aa009052177b6f6669e1c2214d46dc.png?tl=1&ve=1 Gadi Haggai and his wife Judi. (Hostages and Missing Persons Families Forum)
The Hostages and Missing Persons Families Forum announced Friday that Gadi Haggai, a 73-year-old Israeli-American hostage taken captive by Hamas, has died.
His wife, Judi, who also has American citizenship, still remains a hostage. Gadi Haggai is the first American hostage to have died in the conflict.
"Gadi was a man full of humor who knew how to make those around him laugh. A musician at heart, a gifted flutist, he played in the IDF Orchestra and was involved with music his whole life," the Forum said in a statement.
It added that on the morning of Oct. 7, Gadi and Judi went "for their regular morning walk in the fields and vineyards" of Kibbutz Nir Oz in southern Israel when they were kidnapped by Hamas.
"Judi managed to notify friends that they had been shot and that Gadi was critically injured -- it was the last contact with them," the Forum said.
Fox News' Yael Rotem-Kuriel contributed to this report. Posted by Greg Norman
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 22, 2023, 11:51:57 pm
Biden, first lady ’heartbroken’ about death of American hostage held in Gaza
President Biden said he and first lady Jill Biden were “heartbroken” that an American hostage being held by Hamas has died.
Gad Haggai, 73, an Israeli-American, is believed to have been killed by the terror group. He is the first American hostage to have died in the conflict between Israel and Hamas.
His wife, Judi, who also has American citizenship, remains captive in Gaza.
“Today, we are praying for their four children, seven grandchildren, and other loved ones and are grieving this tragic news with them,” Biden said in a statement.
In a statement, the Hostages and Missing Persons Families Forum described Haggai as a man “full of humor who knew how to make those around him laugh. A musician at heart, a gifted flutist, he played in the IDF Orchestra and was involved with music his whole life.”
Biden said he spoke with the couple’s daughter by phone his meeting with the families of hostages last week.
He also reaffirmed his pledged to the families that “we will not stop working to bring them home.” Posted by Louis Casiano
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Post by: mountaineer on December 22, 2023, 11:53:32 pm
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President Biden said he and first lady Jill Biden were “heartbroken” that an American hostage being held by Hamas has died.
Yeah, sure.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 22, 2023, 11:57:28 pm
Antony Blinken Asks Why World Isn’t Demanding Hamas Surrender
Secretary of State Antony Blinken asked Thursday why the world was pressuring the victim of terror, Israel, instead of pressuring the terrorist “aggressor,” Hamas, whose surrender would end the war in Gaza and save the lives of many Palestinian civilians.
Joel B. Pollak 22 Dec 2023
Secretary of State Antony Blinken asked Wednesday why the world was pressuring the victim of terror, Israel, instead of pressuring the terrorist “aggressor,” Hamas, whose surrender would end the war in Gaza and save the lives of many Palestinian civilians.
Blinken was answering questions from reporters in a year-end press conference when he delivered this response on the Gaza war:
Everyone would like to see this conflict end as quickly as possible. But if it ends with Hamas remaining in place, and having the capacity and the stated intent to repeat October 7th again and again and again, that’s not in the interests of Israel, it’s not in the interests of the region, it’s not in the interests of the world. And what is striking to me is that even as, again, we hear many countries urging to end this conflict, which we would all like to see, I hear virtually no one saying, demanding, of Hamas, that it stop hiding behind civilians, that it lay down its arms, that it surrender. This is over tomorrow, if Hamas does that. This would have been over a month ago, six weeks ago, if Hamas had done that. And how can it be that there are no demands made of the aggressor, and only demands made of the victim? So it would be good if there was a strong international voice pressing Hamas to do what is necessary to end this. And, again — that could be tomorrow.
Video clips of Blinken’s remarks went viral among pro-Israel social media users — though, curiously, the United States, which is one of five permanent members of the UN Security Council, has not introduced a resolution calling on Hamas to surrender.
Antony Blinken Asks Why World Isn’t Demanding Hamas Surrender
Secretary of State Antony Blinken asked Thursday why the world was pressuring the victim of terror, Israel, instead of pressuring the terrorist “aggressor,” Hamas, whose surrender would end the war in Gaza and save the lives of many Palestinian civilians.
Joel B. Pollak 22 Dec 2023
Secretary of State Antony Blinken asked Wednesday why the world was pressuring the victim of terror, Israel, instead of pressuring the terrorist “aggressor,” Hamas, whose surrender would end the war in Gaza and save the lives of many Palestinian civilians.
Blinken was answering questions from reporters in a year-end press conference when he delivered this response on the Gaza war:
Everyone would like to see this conflict end as quickly as possible. But if it ends with Hamas remaining in place, and having the capacity and the stated intent to repeat October 7th again and again and again, that’s not in the interests of Israel, it’s not in the interests of the region, it’s not in the interests of the world. And what is striking to me is that even as, again, we hear many countries urging to end this conflict, which we would all like to see, I hear virtually no one saying, demanding, of Hamas, that it stop hiding behind civilians, that it lay down its arms, that it surrender. This is over tomorrow, if Hamas does that. This would have been over a month ago, six weeks ago, if Hamas had done that. And how can it be that there are no demands made of the aggressor, and only demands made of the victim? So it would be good if there was a strong international voice pressing Hamas to do what is necessary to end this. And, again — that could be tomorrow.
Video clips of Blinken’s remarks went viral among pro-Israel social media users — though, curiously, the United States, which is one of five permanent members of the UN Security Council, has not introduced a resolution calling on Hamas to surrender.
I ask this very sincerely. Why do you skip over the use of children by Hamas and blame Israel? @Right_in_Virginia
I don't skip over it ..... but the Hamas MO has been known for many, many years. Why does this continue to surprise Israel's top security agencies? @berdie Should they not be prepared for it by now?
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Post by: berdie on December 23, 2023, 12:13:12 am
I don't skip over it ..... but the Hamas MO has been known for many, many years. Why does this continue to surprise Israel's top security agencies? @berdie Should they not be prepared for it by now?
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 23, 2023, 12:33:32 am
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'Frogmen, hang gliders, kidnapped Israelis’: Netanyahu described Hamas’s plans in 2017 Times of Israel, Dec 22, 2023
Footage of Knesset hearing on 2014 Gaza war shows PM claiming he’d deterred terror group; premier lays out Hamas’s murderous plans, which came to fruition on Oct. 7, in eerie detail
In 2017, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described an onslaught by the Hamas terror group that would prove to be a prescient description of the horrifying events of October 7, but said at the time that his policies had deterred the terror group.
Hebrew-language media published footage on Thursday from a 2017 Knesset meeting in which Netanyahu described the terror group’s plans in eerie detail.
“Hamas has an operational plan for a multi-pronged attack, including thousands of missiles on Israeli cities, naval commando raids, hang gliders and incursions from dozens of tunnels, some of which come up in [Israeli] territory,” Netanyahu said during a hearing held by the parliament’s State Control Committee to discuss a report on the 2014 Gaza war against Hamas.
During the emotionally fraught three-and-a-half hour discussion, Netanyahu described the “special forces” that Hamas was training in order to murder and kidnap Israelis, a reference to the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas’s military wing.
“They’ve assessed that if they can surprise us, they can put the plan into action,” Netanyahu said.
The scenario the prime minister described was similar to the events some six years later on October 7, when some 3,000 Hamas terrorists burst across the border into Israel from the Gaza Strip by land, air and sea, killing some 1,200 people and seizing over 240 hostages of all ages — mostly civilians — under the cover of a deluge of thousands of rockets fired at Israeli towns and cities. Entire families were executed in their homes, and over 260 people were slaughtered at an outdoor festival, many amid horrific acts of brutality by the terrorists.
In 2017, Netanyahu said that the Hamas leadership had begun planning a massive onslaught years earlier.
“At any given moment they could have put that plan into action, but contrary to popular opinion, we don’t control our opponent’s decisions — at most, we can influence their ability to carry them out,” he said.
While he claimed that Hamas was “deterred,” Netanyahu made it clear that he was under “no illusions .. that the terror group would abandon its plan.”
“When I thought about an infiltration of thousands of gunmen or more, seizing a town, capturing hostages, what a blow that would be, I flagged it,” Netanyahu added.
“We tried to avoid war in any way possible. We’re facing a hard and cruel enemy. To avoid escalation against an enemy like that is no mean feat. There are 30,000 [Hamas fighters in Gaza], wishing for our destruction and preparing all the time and building the means with which to kill us, to infiltrate, to attack us. People who are committed to the annihilation of Israel; it’s what they live for,” he said.
Netanyahu also highlighted his role in the policy of containment: “One of the reasons that [Hamas] is deterred is because I have a policy, that I’m not willing to tolerate droplets [of violence], and there’s always a strong reaction, usually very fast, on every such droplet.”
One of the most damning allegations in the 2017 report contended that better decision-making practices could have obviated the need for a military operation entirely.
The state comptroller report debated by the committee in 2017 was centered around the management of the security cabinet by Netanyahu and then-defense minister Moshe Ya’alon, specifically the cabinet’s alleged failure to set concrete, strategic goals for the military in the campaign. It also noted intelligence gaps and tactical mistakes by the Israel Defense Forces, then led by Lt. Gen. (res.) Benny Gantz, notably its unpreparedness for the threat of Hamas tunnels.
Caught some of Mark Levin's radio show yesterday and he was discussing the mirror image of GWB during 9-11.
Bibi didn't form a government until December 29th, 2022. He wasn't in charge while all these tunnels were being constructed, etc..
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Post by: Elderberry on December 23, 2023, 11:51:20 am
OSINTdefender @sentdefender
Operation Prosperity Guardian in the Red Sea has practically Collapsed as France, Spain, and Italy have all announced their Withdrawal from the U.S. Command Structure for the Operation, with the Three Nations stating they will only conduct further Maritime Operations under the Command of NATO and/or the European Union and not the United States.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 23, 2023, 11:59:27 am
Israel's UN Ambassador Gilad Erdan stated that after viewing footage, Guterres described the Hamas attack as 'humanity at its worst'
UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres condemned the severe terror attacks carried out by Hamas on October 7, stating that "nothing can possibly justify" such acts, including the harsh abduction of around 250 hostages.
In a statement on X, Guterres reiterated his demand for the immediate and unconditional release of all remaining hostages.
This post comes after the UN Security Council passed a resolution urging the acceleration of aid delivery to Gaza and the creation of conditions to end the conflict between Israel and Hamas.
António Guterres @antonioguterres · Follow Nothing can possibly justify the horrific terror attacks launched by Hamas on 7 October, or the brutal abduction of some 250 hostages.
I repeat my call for all remaining hostages to be released immediately and unconditionally.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 23, 2023, 12:01:08 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · War update:
Extensive IDF strikes in southern & central Gaza at night, heavy damage reported in Rafah; army bombs Hezbollah targets in Lebanon; Israel prepares to shift to next stage of war within weeks, reduce forces in Gaza, focus on pinpoint raids. @ynetalerts & @kann_news
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · IDF kills dozens of terrorists in Gaza City airstrike; forces opened fire to trick terror operatives, prompting them to take shelter in Hamas site that was then bombed by Air Force; IDF also captured over 200 Hamas & Islamic Jihad terrorists this week. via @N12News
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Post by: Elderberry on December 23, 2023, 12:03:21 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF During operational activity in Gaza, our troops:
🔺 Fired decoy shots, luring dozens of terrorists into a building that served as a Hamas headquarters and directed an IAF strike on the building, eliminating the terrorists.
🔺 Directed IAF strikes on an armed terrorist cell in Gaza City and on 3 terrorists in in the outskirts of al-Shati, eliminating them.
🔺 Identified terrorists attempting to attack troops and eliminated them by sniper fire, as well as located and destroyed terrorist infrastructure, including buildings used as Hamas military sites.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 23, 2023, 12:10:43 pm
Israel Defense Forces @IDF · Kindergarten toys?
IDF troops found toy boxes filled with dozens of mortar shells, warheads and RPG type anti-tank missiles in a kindergarten in Gaza.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 23, 2023, 12:40:15 pm
Are Biden's demands of Israel 'detached from reality'?
WND 12/20/2023
'They have only two possibilities: Surrender or die'
Are Joe Biden's demands that Israel pull back in its campaign to destroy the Hamas terrorists who killed some 1,400 civilians in the launch of a war on Oct. 7 "detached from reality"?
That appears to be what Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is saying.
Fox News reported he said in a video message this week that those who think his nation will "let up during its military campaign" are just that.
"We will not stop the fighting until all of the goals that we have set are achieved: The elimination of Hamas, the release of our hostages and the removal of the threat from Gaza," he charged.
"We are attacking Hamas with fierce fire, everywhere, including today. We are also attacking their accomplices near and far. All Hamas terrorists, from the first to the last, are dead men walking," he said.
"They have only two possibilities: Surrender or die."
He said, "Whoever thinks that we will stop is detached from reality."
Biden has been caught in the middle of the Gaza violence. Leftists dislike his support for Israel, and others object to the subtle pressure he's applying, through his administration officials he's sent to tell Israel to pull back in certain situations.
The dispute has divided those who may support Biden in the 2024 election, and he needs to appease both factions to gain their support.
The Hill recently reported how dissatisfied Americans are with Biden's Hamas war agenda.
"The New York Times/Siena poll shows that just 33 percent of respondents approve of Biden’s Israel policy, compared to 57 percent disapproval. The results also highlight the massive divide in opinion among Americans on the best course of action in the conflict," the report said.
The split is with one-third of those who disapprove of Biden's actions saying the U.S. is too supportive of Israel, and nearly the same saying the same of Palestinians.
Caught some of Mark Levin's radio show yesterday and he was discussing the mirror image of GWB during 9-11.
Bibi didn't form a government until December 29th, 2022. He wasn't in charge while all these tunnels were being constructed, etc..
I'm basing my opinion on Netanyahu's 30 years at the top of the Israeli national and international political pyramid @DCPatriot IMO, history will prove the atrocities of Oct 7 were set in motion and made possible by Netanyahu's decades-long "strategy".
For Mr. Security, a bit of war was a political asset ---- perhaps his greatest. Mowing the grass in Gaza while authorizing and facilitating hundreds of millions of US dollars in payments from Qatar to Hamas was a recipe for disaster from the start. It served not to protect and secure Israel, but to keep a sufficient number of Israelis just fearful enough to keep him in power.
As for not knowing about the tunnels ---- Netanyahu knew. . He knew, his government, his security agencies knew and he was forced to admit they knew when the tunnels became common knowledge during the war in 2014. Not only didn't Netanyahu destroy them then, he didn't attempt to stop their expansion in the years since. Neither did he question where the money from Qatar was going.
Netanyahu ignored warnings of an imminent and massive attack from the IDF, as well as from Egypt. Two IDF commando companies just days before the Oct 7 attack were diverted from the Gaza region to the West Bank to help with unrest there ---- leaving Israelis in the South unprotected for 20 hours. FWIW, the settlers in the West Bank are part of the political glue holding Netanyahu's tenuous government together.
Yet, by his own admission, Netanyahu knew an attack of this scale was coming since 2017. Read more below:
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'Frogmen, hang gliders, kidnapped Israelis’: Netanyahu described Hamas’s plans in 2017 Times of Israel, Dec 22, 2023
Footage of Knesset hearing on 2014 Gaza war shows PM claiming he’d deterred terror group; premier lays out Hamas’s murderous plans, which came to fruition on Oct. 7, in eerie detail
In 2017, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described an onslaught by the Hamas terror group that would prove to be a prescient description of the horrifying events of October 7, but said at the time that his policies had deterred the terror group.
Hebrew-language media published footage on Thursday from a 2017 Knesset meeting in which Netanyahu described the terror group’s plans in eerie detail.
“Hamas has an operational plan for a multi-pronged attack, including thousands of missiles on Israeli cities, naval commando raids, hang gliders and incursions from dozens of tunnels, some of which come up in [Israeli] territory,” Netanyahu said during a hearing held by the parliament’s State Control Committee to discuss a report on the 2014 Gaza war against Hamas.
During the emotionally fraught three-and-a-half hour discussion, Netanyahu described the “special forces” that Hamas was training in order to murder and kidnap Israelis, a reference to the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas’s military wing.
“They’ve assessed that if they can surprise us, they can put the plan into action,” Netanyahu said.
The scenario the prime minister described was similar to the events some six years later on October 7, when some 3,000 Hamas terrorists burst across the border into Israel from the Gaza Strip by land, air and sea [...]
In 2017, Netanyahu said that the Hamas leadership had begun planning a massive onslaught years earlier.
“At any given moment they could have put that plan into action, but contrary to popular opinion, we don’t control our opponent’s decisions — at most, we can influence their ability to carry them out,” he said.
While he claimed that Hamas was “deterred,” Netanyahu made it clear that he was under “no illusions .. that the terror group would abandon its plan.”
"When I thought about an infiltration of thousands of gunmen or more, seizing a town, capturing hostages, what a blow that would be, I flagged it,” Netanyahu added.
“We tried to avoid war in any way possible. We’re facing a hard and cruel enemy. To avoid escalation against an enemy like that is no mean feat. There are 30,000 [Hamas fighters in Gaza], wishing for our destruction and preparing all the time and building the means with which to kill us, to infiltrate, to attack us. People who are committed to the annihilation of Israel; it’s what they live for,” he said.
Netanyahu also highlighted his role in the policy of containment: “One of the reasons that [Hamas] is deterred is because I have a policy, that I’m not willing to tolerate droplets [of violence], and there’s always a strong reaction, usually very fast, on every such droplet.”
One of the most damning allegations in the 2017 report contended that better decision-making practices could have obviated the need for a military operation entirely.
The state comptroller report debated by the committee in 2017 was centered around the management of the security cabinet by Netanyahu and then-defense minister Moshe Ya’alon, specifically the cabinet’s alleged failure to set concrete, strategic goals for the military in the campaign. It also noted intelligence gaps and tactical mistakes by the Israel Defense Forces, then led by Lt. Gen. (res.) Benny Gantz, notably its unpreparedness for the threat of Hamas tunnels.
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Post by: mountaineer on December 23, 2023, 03:23:57 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender Operation Prosperity Guardian in the Red Sea has practically Collapsed as France, Spain, and Italy have all announced their Withdrawal from the U.S. Command Structure for the Operation, with the Three Nations stating they will only conduct further Maritime Operations under the Command of NATO and/or the European Union and not the United States.
Marc 🇺🇸 @gopher_marc France, Spain, and Italy aren’t withdrawing because they don’t want to escalate the conflict. On the contrary, they’re withdrawing because they don’t believe the operation coordinated by Biden regime will protect their vessels. This is the result of a weak ‘President’ / lack of leadership.
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U.S. gives more details on Prosperity Guardian as its Red Sea coalition grows Mike Wagenheim Senior U.S. Correspondent, i24NEWS (https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/the-gulf/1703227927-u-s-gives-more-details-on-prosperity-guardian-as-its-red-sea-coalition-grows) December 22, 2023 at 01:52 AM
The Pentagon press secretary, Major General Pat Ryder, says Houthis 'really need to ask themselves if they've bitten off more than they can chew'
After announcing Operation Prosperity Guardian to safeguard shipping lanes in the Red Sea against Houthi attacks, the U.S. provided more details on the coalition’s purpose, alongside more members announcing their participation on Thursday night.
The Pentagon press secretary, Major General Pat Ryder, said more than 20 nations signed up and it was expected “to see the coalition continue to grow.” Some of the allies joined openly and others chose to support behind the scenes. ...
The coalition was put together in response to a recent wave of attacks on ships in the Red Sea area by the Iran-backed Houthis, primarily with suicide drones and missiles, which has begun to disrupt global trade flows with major shipping firms cutting off passage through the vital Bab el-Mandeb Strait. ...
See also: Reuters: Spain, Italy, France Decline US Command Of Red Sea Operation Prosperity Guardian (https://gcaptain.com/spain-italy-france-decline-us-command-of-red-sea-operation-prosperity-guardian/)
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Post by: Hoodat on December 23, 2023, 03:59:07 pm
Well, there certainly are parallels. Bibi wasn't able to form a government until DECEMBER 29TH, 2022.
Bush inaugurated Jan 20th 2001 - Sept 11, 2001 8 months.
Netanyahu : December 29th 2022 - October 7th 2023 10 months.
Netanyahu didn't leave the government between his last two stints as prime minister. For that year and a half, Netanyahu was the opposition leader in the Knesset (like McConnell in the US Senate)
Shrub flew in from Texas and needed time to get his bearings. Netanyahu has been a power fixture in Israel since 1988.
Without itemizing his stints as UN Ambassador, Finance Minister, Science and Technology Minister, Housing and Construction Minister, Foreign Affairs Minister, Leader of Likud, and used furniture salesman, here's the guy's resume for the last 27 years -----
1996–99: Prime Minister 2009--21: Prime Minister 2021--22: Knesset Opposition Leader 2022 -- : Prime Minister
Why the need to make excuses for Netanyahu @DCPatriot
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Post by: DCPatriot on December 23, 2023, 10:50:13 pm
Netanyahu never left the government between his last two stints as prime minister. For that year and a half, Netanyahu was the opposition leader in the Knesset (like McConnell in the US Senate)
Shrub flew in from Texas and needed time to get his bearings. Netanyahu has been a power fixture in Israel since 1988.
Without itemizing his stints as UN Ambassador, Finance Minister, Science and Technology Minister, Housing and Construction Minister, Foreign Affairs Minister, Leader of Likud, and used furniture salesman, here's the guy's resume for the last 27 years -----
1996–99: Prime Minister 2009--21: Prime Minister 2021--22: Knesset Opposition Leader 2022 -- : Prime Minister
Why the need to make excuses for Netanyahu @DCPatriot
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Post by: jafo2010 on December 24, 2023, 01:24:16 am
Saw two Israeli women who were in the IDF raise the question as to why Israel was not forewarned with the equipment deployed on the border to let Israel know of activity. They both indicated that if a rat ran across the area that Hamas launched their attack, Israel would have received a warning.
There are questions as to why Israel was not better prepared.
But in my mind, there is no question what Israel should do. I fully support their complete annihilation of all of Gaza, rendering it uninhabitable for the next 100 years, leaving a clear warning, any activity in the area will be met with complete destruction.
Having seen the ruins in East Berlin from WWII in 1970, some 25 years post WWII, I say leave Gaza the same, in total ruins with the understanding that it remain uninhabited, permanently.
I oppose a two state solution because the Palestinians oppose it. Why should the POTUS continue to push an agenda these animals have no desire for. The Biden Idiocracy proves every day how their policies are destroying peace in the world.
Every post I make indicates a clear and present danger, that the Democommies are the single greatest threat to the USA.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 24, 2023, 03:44:17 am
'Not a Crime' To Kill an Israeli Soldier, UN Official Says
Washington Free Beacon by Philip Caldwell 12/21/2023
'The killing of soldiers—it's, I mean, frankly, it's a tragedy, but it's not a crime'
A United Nations official said in an interview last week that Palestinians who kill Israeli soldiers are not guilty of crimes because such killings are in line with their "right to resist," in the latest controversial comments by the anti-Israel official.
"If the Palestinians target civilian objects, they commit war crimes," said Francesca Albanese, U.N. special rapporteur for the Palestinian territories, in an interview on the podcast Makdisi Street. "If they target military objects, they do not commit war crimes—they are in line with acts of resistance."
Albanese went on to criticize "Western media" outlets that have condemned "every Palestinian action," including attacks on soldiers.
"The killing of soldiers—it's, I mean, frankly, it's a tragedy, but it's not a crime," Albanese said. "Instead, very often, when Palestinians manage to attack soldiers, they are portrayed as terrorists. And this is a misunderstanding that needs to be addressed."
'Not a Crime' To Kill an Israeli Soldier, UN Official Says
Washington Free Beacon by Philip Caldwell 12/21/2023
'The killing of soldiers—it's, I mean, frankly, it's a tragedy, but it's not a crime'
A United Nations official said in an interview last week that Palestinians who kill Israeli soldiers are not guilty of crimes because such killings are in line with their "right to resist," in the latest controversial comments by the anti-Israel official.
"If the Palestinians target civilian objects, they commit war crimes," said Francesca Albanese, U.N. special rapporteur for the Palestinian territories, in an interview on the podcast Makdisi Street. "If they target military objects, they do not commit war crimes—they are in line with acts of resistance."
Albanese went on to criticize "Western media" outlets that have condemned "every Palestinian action," including attacks on soldiers.
"The killing of soldiers—it's, I mean, frankly, it's a tragedy, but it's not a crime," Albanese said. "Instead, very often, when Palestinians manage to attack soldiers, they are portrayed as terrorists. And this is a misunderstanding that needs to be addressed."
Okay...have no problem with your reasoning...so long as
1) Palestinians shed their Civies ...don a uniform. 2) Palestinians stop using day cares, hospitals and schools as 'bases' of operations.
"Albanese".....sounds like a red sauce with ground PORK!
What Hamas did on October 7th was such a horror...talk about "reap[ing] the whirlwind", huh Senator Schumer?
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Post by: DB on December 24, 2023, 04:55:35 am
Except the "Palestinians" didn't target soldiers. They killed unarmed civilians, and they launched thousands of rockets into civilian cities and towns with the only target being Jews.
This UN official is an evil lying son of bitch.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 24, 2023, 01:30:09 pm
i24NEWS English i24NEWS_EN
Netanyahu, Biden discuss Israel's war developments, its objectives, phasing 'I think the U.S is constantly trying to apply pressure on Israel to shorten the high-intensity phase of this war... The U.S wants a shorter timeline and Israel is saying: No,' explains @YaakovLappin
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Post by: Elderberry on December 24, 2023, 01:31:07 pm
i24NEWS English
@i24NEWS_EN ·
IDF troops located a #Hamas weapons compound adjacent to schools, a mosque, and a medical clinic Explosive belts adapted for children, dozens of mortar shells, hundreds of grenades, and intelligence documents were found inside
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Post by: Elderberry on December 24, 2023, 01:32:19 pm
OSINTdefender @sentdefender
Airstrikes by the Israeli Air Force against Southern Lebanon are continuing this hour, in Response to Hezbollah Rocket Fire earlier towards the City of Shlomi.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 24, 2023, 01:33:43 pm
@i24NEWS_EN · For the first time in 17 hours, rocket alert sirens sounded in Gaza border communities 'It shows the gap between barrages is extended, but I wouldn't be quick to judge Hamas' launch capabilities have been hurt,' our @ariel_oseran brings the latest updates from southern Israel
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Post by: Elderberry on December 24, 2023, 01:36:22 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · High tension in northern Israel: IDF seals off many roads near Lebanon border following wave of extensive strikes on Hezbollah overnight & this morning; army prepares for possibility of significant Hezbollah response. via @N12News
Israeli fighter jets bomb multiple Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, including military sites & launch positions. Step by step, IDF & Hezbollah are moving closer to large-scale conflict.
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Post by: Elderberry on December 24, 2023, 01:38:31 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 6 IDF brigade combat teams now operating in Khan Younis area; more forces to be deployed this week in effort to locate Hamas leadership hideouts; in parallel, army will attack Hamas battalion entrenched in central Gaza refugee camps. via @MaarivOnline
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Post by: Bigun on December 24, 2023, 02:16:27 pm
Except the "Palestinians" didn't target soldiers. They killed unarmed civilians, and they launched thousands of rockets into civilian cities and towns with the only target being Jews.
This UN official is an evil lying son of bitch.
The UN is a lying, evil organization and has been since day one!
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 24, 2023, 02:25:27 pm
Biden Fails to Respond as Houthis Attack U.S. Destroyer, Commercial Shipping
The Biden administration has failed to react thus far to a direct attack by Iran-backed Houthi rebels from Yemen this weekend on a U.S. destroyer and two commercial ships in the Red Sea.
The Times of Israel reported:
In a statement, the US Central Command says the USS Laboon “shot down four unmanned aerial drones originating from Houthi-controlled areas in Yemen that were inbound to” the frigate.
…
It says the Laboon also responded to distress calls after attacks on the M/V BLAAMANEN, a Norwegian-flagged and owned tanker, which was nearly hit by an attack drone, and the M/V SAIBABA, a Gabon-owned, Indian-flagged crude tanker that did suffer a strike.
Last week, the U.S. announced that it had assembled a coalition of nations that would cooperate to deter attacks by the Houthis.
However, it was not clear what kind of naval forces would be deployed. One nation, Spain, appeared to back out of the coalition a few days after being announced as one of its members.
more https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2023/12/24/biden-fails-to-respond-as-houthis-attack-u-s-destroyer-commercial-shipping/
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 24, 2023, 02:52:36 pm
Pentagon says drone that hit tanker near India was launched from Iran December 23, 2023 | Harold Hutchison
The Department of Defense on Saturday said a drone that struck a tanker off the coast of India was fired from Iran.
The tanker M/V Chem Pluto was struck by what the Pentagon described as a “one-way attack drone” about 200 nautical miles off the coast of India Saturday, The Wall Street Journal reported. It is the first time that the U.S. has accused Iran of launching an attack on a merchant ship since Hamas carried out a deadly Oct. 7 terrorist attack on multiple locations in southern Israel that killed over 1,400 people.
“The motor vessel CHEM PLUTO, a Liberia-flagged, Japanese-owned, and Netherlands-operated chemical tanker was struck at approximately 10 a.m. local time (6 a.m. Greenwich Mean time) today in the Indian Ocean, 200 nautical miles from the coast of India, by a one-way attack drone fired from Iran, the Department of Defense said in a statement to the Daily Caller News Foundation. “There were no casualties and a fire on board the tanker has been extinguished. No U.S. Navy vessels were in the vicinity. U.S. Naval Forces Central Command remains in communication with the vessel as it continues toward a destination in India. This is the seventh Iranian attack on commercial shipping since 2021.“
Lather, rinse, repeat. Hey, he's on vacation, anyway!
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Post by: mountaineer on December 24, 2023, 06:34:07 pm
Just Hamas being Hamas: Palestinians trying to get some humanitarian aid moments after aid trucks cross into Gaza from Egypt. Swiftly, Hamas terrorists show up at the scene, start shooting and steal all the humanitarian aid. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1738982831009697909
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Post by: Wingnut on December 24, 2023, 07:44:38 pm
more https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/12/23/pentagon-says-drone-that-hit-tanker-near-india-was-launched-from-iran-1422349/
That thing is sitting pretty high in the water. Stock photo or is it empty?
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 24, 2023, 09:36:24 pm
Israel Uncovers Hamas Tunnel Complex, Recovers 5 Hostages’ Bodies
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) continue to uncover massive Hamas tunnel complexes — some involving the sad On Sunday, the IDF released multiple videos of the tunnels, which were discovered by troops from the intelligence and engineering corps, and which revealed large, cavernous command rooms, toilets, and work spaces.discovery of the bodies of Israeli hostages.
Majority of Americans 18-24 think Israel should ‘be ended and given to Hamas’ By Social Links for Jon Levine Published Dec. 16, 2023, 12:56 p.m. ET
A majority of young Americans said they believe Israel should “be ended and given to Hamas,” according to a shocking poll.
The survey, conducted THIS WEEK by Harvard-Harris polling, found 51% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 said they believed the long-term answer to the Israel-Palestinian conflict was for “Israel to be ended and given to Hamas and the Palestinians.”
Only 32% said they believed in a two-state solution, and just 17% said other Arab states should be asked to absorb Palestinian populations.
The figure was in stark contrast to other age groups, which all dramatically preferred a two-state solution. Just 4% of Americans 65 and over said they felt Israel should be ended.
“These individuals siding with evil over democracy should be a wake-up call,” Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kansas) told The Post. “Ideological rot among young Americans, driven by woke values and victim culture, has gotten so bad they’ve convinced themselves to sympathize with actual terrorists who hate America,”
more https://nypost.com/2023/12/16/news/majority-of-americans-18-24-think-israel-should-be-ended-and-given-to-hamas/
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Post by: Elderberry on December 25, 2023, 03:50:17 am
What the Biden administration doesn't get about Palestinian hatred toward Jews
Israel Hayom by Nadav Shragai 12/18/2023
Changes in leadership in the Palestinian Authority or a renewed Palestinian Authority are irrelevant. What do we care if it's Mahmoud Abbas or Salam Fayyad, if in the streets of Nablus, Jenin and Tulkarm, the crowds want to hand over their weapons to Hamas? Why should we care if there is an old or "renewed" Palestinian Authority, if with every slaughter and killing and shooting in our streets, they dance and celebrate on the roofs and hand out sweets?
Someone needs to brief the Biden administration that beyond the strong support for the war goals, there is currently national consensus in Israel on two other issues: The first – that after the war, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will have to step down (on that the Americans are actually well-informed); the second – a Palestinian state poses a grave danger to Israel. The fact that Netanyahu has chosen to rile up against this threat at this moment (Saturday night) does not mean that the wall-to-wall opposition to this vision will go with him once he is no longer in office. It runs across the board; it's here to stay.
The broad opposition among Israelis to a Palestinian state – it would be good for the Americans to know – stems not only from the fact that it takes chunks of biblical land and the historic homeland from the Jews, to which many here are bound with every fiber of their being. The settlement enterprise, in which half a million Jews now live, is a clear expression of this. But the broad opposition to a Palestinian state is not, despite what the Americans wrongly assume, a function of any particular Palestinian leadership leading the Palestinian Authority. This rejection is on a much more fundamental level.
The opposition to a Palestinian state stems first and foremost from a deep understanding – shaped by decades of terror, attacks, and bloodshed – that the hostility, hatred, and commitment to perpetuate the struggle against the Jews and the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people comes from the grassroots level, from the Palestinian public en masse.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 25, 2023, 02:57:13 pm
Egypt proposes sweeping plan for Gaza War ceasefire plan
Cairo has put forth a plan that would seek an end to the Israel-Hamas war that a senior Egyptian official and a European diplomat admitted to the Associated Press would prove ambitious.
Egypt devised the plan with input from Qatar, which would also participate in the plan’s execution. Both countries would coordinate with all Palestinian factions, including Hamas, to establish a government of experts, the anonymous Egyptian official said
.The plan includes a phased hostage “all-for-all” release and the creation of a Palestinian government to administer the Gaza Strip and West Bank that would follow a ceasefire.
Close to 8,000 Palestinians remain in Israeli custody on security-related charges or convictions, Palestinian officials have claimed.
Israel would also have to withdraw from Gaza, which would coincide with Hamas and Islamic Jihad ending their attacks on Israel.
Posted by Peter Aitken
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Post by: mountaineer on December 25, 2023, 02:58:21 pm
Trey Yingst @TreyYingst Hamas and Islamic Jihad have reportedly rejected an Egyptian ceasefire proposal that would end the war. The Palestinian factions are unwilling to consider a proposal that sees new leadership in Gaza. The Israelis have been clear that Hamas will not control Gaza after the war. 9:16 AM · Dec 25, 2023
Seth Mandel @SethAMandel The proposal was imo too generous to Hamas and I think Israelis would've agreed by and large. Moot now. But man, Hamas rejecting ending the war and freeing Hamasniks in Israeli jails? As Mencken would say, Hamas knows what they want--and deserve to get it good and hard. 9:31 AM · Dec 25, 2023
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Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 25, 2023, 03:52:58 pm
Egypt proposes sweeping plan for Gaza War ceasefire plan
Cairo has put forth a plan that would seek an end to the Israel-Hamas war that a senior Egyptian official and a European diplomat admitted to the Associated Press would prove ambitious.
Egypt devised the plan with input from Qatar, which would also participate in the plan’s execution. Both countries would coordinate with all Palestinian factions, including Hamas, to establish a government of experts, the anonymous Egyptian official said
.The plan includes a phased hostage “all-for-all” release and the creation of a Palestinian government to administer the Gaza Strip and West Bank that would follow a ceasefire.
Close to 8,000 Palestinians remain in Israeli custody on security-related charges or convictions, Palestinian officials have claimed.
Israel would also have to withdraw from Gaza, which would coincide with Hamas and Islamic Jihad ending their attacks on Israel.
Posted by Peter Aitken
Nope. That just rewards Hamas for the slaughter of innocent people, and sets governance of that area back to Hamas-run Gaza.
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Post by: mystery-ak on December 25, 2023, 03:53:11 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 25, 2023, 05:24:22 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 40m Israel on high alert for Iran's response to killing of senior IRGC officer; Brig. Gen. Mousavi was in charge of arms shipments to militias in Syria & Lebanon; he's highest ranking Iranian killed since Qasem Soleimani. via @kann_news & @N12News
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: sneakypete on December 25, 2023, 06:46:56 pm
It does MUCH more than that. It "Bails them out of the war before the Israel soldiers can kill them,and leaves them free to start murdering innocent Jewish men,women,and children once they are rested and re-armed.
Which they have done before more than once,and allowed to get away with it if they would just agree to retreat back behind their lines.
The ONLY way to deal with a poisonous snake is to kill the freaking snake!
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 25, 2023, 07:46:03 pm
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com
Massive arms shipments continue: Over 230 cargo planes plus 20 ships delivered weapons & military gear to Israel so far in war, @ynetalerts reports; Defense Ministry gets arms supply from US emergency warehouses, early delivery of future orders
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Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com · 1h Israel sets aside large stocks of munitions & air defense interceptors for possible war vs. Hezbollah, report says; several Israeli defense companies instructed to cancel contracts with foreign clients to supply armaments to IDF.
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 25, 2023, 08:33:30 pm
Reminder!
There is a new thread. https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,520552.0/topicseen.html
Title: Re: BREAKING....Thread 8...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
Post by: mystery-ak on December 26, 2023, 01:19:26 am
Gaza Hamas Leader Yahya Sinwar Still Alive; First Statement Since Oct. 7
Yayha Sinwar, the Gaza-based leader of Hamas responsible for the October 7 terror attack against Israel, issued his first public statement Monday since that event, proving that he is still alive and vowing to keep fighting — though his forces are losing, badly.