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Unofficial Election Night Results
http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915 (http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915)
Polls close at 7:00 p.m. CST. Election results will be displayed and updated as precincts begin to report.
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Unofficial Election Night Results
http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915 (http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915)
Polls close at 7:00 p.m. CST. Election results will be displayed and updated as precincts begin to report.
Thanks!
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John Merrill says turnout 'right on target' for 25 percent in Alabama Senate race
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/12/john_merrill_says_turnout_righ.html (http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/12/john_merrill_says_turnout_righ.html)
Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill said indications are his earlier projection of a 25 percent voter turnout today was pretty accurate.
"It looks like we're probably right on target," Merrill said.
Voters are choosing between Democrat Doug Jones and Republican Roy Moore today in the special election for the U.S. Senate.
Asked if there are any specifics about high or low turnout that stand out, Merrill said areas of strong turnout that favor one candidate will likely be offset by strong turnout that favors the other.
"I'm hearing that the turnout in certain areas that might benefit Doug Jones are complemented by heavy turnout in other areas, in some rural parts of the state that would probably complement Judge Moore. So I think that's going to balance itself out if that trend continues," Merrill said.
If the 25 percent projection stand up, it will far exceed the turnout for the primaries and the Republican runoff in the Senate race...
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Bookmark...
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:2popcorn:
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Roy Moore and a buddy are talking. Moore says “I’m Jesus Christ.â€
His buddy cocked an eye at him and says, “You’re crazy!â€
“I can prove it,†Moore says. His buddy says, “Okay, I’ll bite, prove it.â€
Moore takes him into a bar, bartender says, “Jesus Christ, are you back again?!â€
22222frying pan
Hey, gimme a break I’m bored. Just killing some time till the polls close...
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I belly-laughed at that. I must be bored too.
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Good God, let's just get this over with.
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Roy Moore is talking to a friend and says "You know I am Jesus Christ, right". His friend says "No way". Moore says "I can prove it. Follow me". They walk down to the local mall and walk through the door. The security guard yells "Jesus Christ! You aren't allowed in here".
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(http://drivetrips.net/frstuff/moore-for-senate.jpg)
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Good God, let's just get this over with.
Do you think our favorite posters will just STFU now? :whistle:
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Roy Moore is talking to a friend and says "You know I am Jesus Christ, right". His friend says "No way". Moore says "I can prove it. Follow me". They walk down to the local mall and walk through the door. The security guard yells "Jesus Christ! You aren't allowed in here".
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Do you think our favorite posters will just STFU now? :whistle:
I think there are a few waiting until this is over. Most of them were part of the never-Trump caucus (as I was) and settled down after that election, so if Moore pulls this one out, I imagine they'll do the same.
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I think there are a few waiting until this is over. Most of them were part of the never-Trump caucus (as I was) and settled down after that election, so if Moore pulls this one out, I imagine they'll do the same.
I disagree @jmyrlefuller I think he'll win and the drama over him will continue, possibly with Mitch fanning the flames. Some Briefers feel very strongly about this, personally being a non Alabama resident I am in the benevolent column, to all's concerns here.
Your AVATAR freaks me out.
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corbe said: "I think he'll win and the drama over him will continue, possibly with Mitch fanning the flames. Some Briefers feel very strongly about this, personally being a non Alabama resident I am in the benevolent column, to all's concerns here."
@corbe
It was on the news, if Moore wins, the Senate Republican group will meet tomorrow to decide what to do about him. If the man wins, they will be on him fast to do something to him. I have never heard of this happening in all my years of politics.
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@Victoria33
Mitch and the leadership will instantly refer him for ethics investigation, and then refuse to seat him on any committees. He will only be a floor vote, and nothing else. They will do everything they can to reject him from the body, and it will do severe damage to the Party.
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@Victoria33
Mitch and the leadership will instantly refer him for ethics investigation, and then refuse to seat him on any committees. He will only be a floor vote, and nothing else. They will do everything they can to reject him from the body, and it will do severe damage to the Party.
If those jerks think they have the ability to overturn an election they will get a swift lesson in NO YOU CAN'T!
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Here's a link (https://decisiondeskhq.com/news/watch-live-alabama-senate-election-coverage/) for live election coverage.
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Here's a link (https://decisiondeskhq.com/news/watch-live-alabama-senate-election-coverage/) for live election coverage.
5 minutes
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I disagree @jmyrlefuller I think he'll win and the drama over him will continue, possibly with Mitch fanning the flames. Some Briefers feel very strongly about this, personally being a non Alabama resident I am in the benevolent column, to all's concerns here.
Your AVATAR freaks me out.
Your AVATAR freaks me out.
Gene Simmons (KISS) can have that effect on people
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If those jerks think they have the ability to overturn an election they will get a swift lesson in NO YOU CAN'T!
It is apparent Mitch the Bitch is going to have to learn this the hard way....
OK. No problemo, boss.
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@dfwgator your image link is broken....
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Mail in votes are already counted. They will be posted immediately after 8 pm, closing time of polls.
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@Victoria33
Mitch and the leadership will instantly refer him for ethics investigation, and then refuse to seat him on any committees. He will only be a floor vote, and nothing else. They will do everything they can to reject him from the body, and it will do severe damage to the Party.
Moore wins and you're going to see the Dems change their time on sexual harassment. Especially if Moore survives an ethics review.
I'm willing to bet that Franken won't retire either. The Dem pile on and subsequent call for his resignation seemed too orchestrated.
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Showtime!
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Your AVATAR freaks me out.
It's the Krampus, Santa Claus's legendary companion and punisher of those who are too naughty for coal. (And you're not the only one who finds it creepy. I'll change it to something less threatening if that's a big deal.)
There. I changed it to a less threatening goat-like creature. (No affiliation with Adelphia Communications implied)
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Absolutely NOT @jmyrlefuller
TBR believes in Freedom of thought, including Avatars, with only a few exceptions. By all means keep it. I don't want to be penalized for any future AVATAR's of mine, other than some azzhole saying it freaks him out.
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73 Moore
27 Dem guy
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It's the Krampus, Santa Claus's legendary companion and punisher of those who are too naughty for coal. (And you're not the only one who finds it creepy. I'll change it to something less threatening if that's a big deal.)
There. I changed it to a less threatening goat-like creature. (No affiliation with Adelphia Communications implied)
I want Krampus back!!!
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@jmyrlefuller is putting a 'Guilt Trip' on me now, I want Krampus back, also @Cyber Liberty .
I can't deal with this.
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Krampus groped me at a dance recital 40 years ago. Word.
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Okay, Okay! I'll put the Creepy Krampus back up.
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Good God, let's just get this over with.
Wouldn't a few recounts be so much jones fun?
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Krampus groped me at a dance recital 40 years ago. Word.
Then Krampus needs to resign
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Then Krampus needs to resign
I like Krampus!!
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I like Krampus!!
Me tooo. He's like Grumpy Cat
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Me tooo. He's like Grumpy Cat
He's like the DEVIL
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Thanks @jmyrlefuller
I feel much better, now.
Bah humbug.
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He's like the DEVIL
He's a SANTA that eats babies. May not be the Devil, but danged near....It's like mixing Halloween and Christmas.
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Not looking good for Moore..
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Not looking good for Moore..
Still early.
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Right now, the projection based on votes cast compared to past elections in the same precinct is a toss-up.
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama-senate-special-election-roy-moore-doug-jones?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news (https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama-senate-special-election-roy-moore-doug-jones?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news)
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3% OF PRECINCTS REPORTING
Doug Jones (D) 17,706 54%
Roy Moore (R) 14,808 45%
Write In 289 1%
It's starting to narrow a bit.
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http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915 (http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915)
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Right now, the projection based on votes cast compared to past elections in the same precinct is a toss-up.
Sounds like they're expecting Jones to wipe the floor with Moore. Oh woe, I'm going down with my worry towel.
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Decision Desk HQ said Moore is only 2% behind now.
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Roy Moore Republican 27,817 50.4%
Doug Jones Democrat 26,732 48.4
Total Write-Ins — 690 1.2
DDHQ says Moore 500 votes ahead.
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Roy Moore Republican 41,524 53.0%
Doug Jones Democrat 35,776 45.7
Total Write-Ins — 974 1.2
Looking way better for Moore.
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Roy Moore Republican 41,524 53.0%
Doug Jones Democrat 35,776 45.7
Total Write-Ins — 974 1.2
Looking way better for Moore.
Too bad we didn't have more wacko, pervert, commie, Leftist, celebrities campaigning for Jones. It would be 80/20 by now.
So, I guess they never did use Obama's robocall. Or, looking at the results maybe they did?
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Too bad we didn't have more wacko, pervert, commie, Leftist, celebrities campaigning for Jones. It would be 80/20 by now.
So, I guess they never did use Obama's robocall. Or, looking at the results maybe they did?
My grandparents were from Alabama, still got alot of cousins there. Obama and the celebrities probably worked against Jones.
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15% of precincts reporting
Roy Moore Republican 75,384 50.1%
Doug Jones Democrat 73,177 48.6
Total Write-Ins — 1,901 1.3
Looks like the urban areas came in.
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My grandparents were from Alabama, still got alot of cousins there. Obama and the celebrities probably worked against Jones.
One could call it the Jon Ossoff effect: they played their hand too hard on a populace that is not inclined to believe them.
It is still early, though: there are lots of votes in the cities yet to be tallied (though a big chunk of Birmingham just came in).
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21% precincts reporting:
Roy Moore Republican 112,867 51.8%
Doug Jones Democrat 101,972 46.8
Total Write-Ins — 2,861 1.3
Starting to go Moore again.
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Fox Business: Moore's up, 143,000 to 122, 000. 26%
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30% precincts reporting:
Roy Moore Republican 168,243 52.0%
Doug Jones Democrat 151,114 46.7
Total Write-Ins — 4,329 1.3
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So, I guess they never did use Obama's robocall. Or, looking at the results maybe they did?
Doug did use them, he has hired people to drive vans in black communities with loudspeakers broadcasting it trying to get the vote out. One of the ladies in my gun group put up a video of them doing it.
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15% of precincts reporting
Roy Moore Republican 75,384 50.1%
Doug Jones Democrat 73,177 48.6
Total Write-Ins — 1,901 1.3
Looks like the urban areas came in.
Pretty sure no one cares what Urban thinks this go around
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40% precincts reporting:
Roy Moore Republican 218,933 51.8%
Doug Jones Democrat 198,524 46.9
Total Write-Ins — 5,576 1.3
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Decision Desk broke down for me....
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Looking bad for Moore right now, but the margins could shrink in urban counties and pan out in his favor. We shall see...
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NYT projections note that most of the votes coming in are strong R precincts, and that an unsettling number of D strongholds have yet to submit their votes.
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NYT projections note that most of the votes coming in are strong R precincts, and that an unsettling number of D strongholds have yet to submit their votes.
Dem votes are always last...gotta see how many they need you know..
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50% precincts reporting:
Roy Moore Republican 264,419 51.2%
Doug Jones Democrat 245,679 47.5
Total Write-Ins — 6,814 1.3
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Dem votes are always last...gotta see how many they need you know..
The "Trunk vote" isn't counted until last.
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Counties surrounding Birmingham are starting to come in slightly stronger than expected for Moore.
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NYT projections note that most of the votes coming in are strong R precincts, and that an unsettling number of D strongholds have yet to submit their votes.
Not sure what they're seeing, looks like alot of red counties have fewer precincts in. A number of the Dem winning counties have most of theirs in.
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NYsLimes has Doug projected to win at 72% now. Hoping they are wrong. Now little less..
(https://s2.postimg.org/uceo5zr6h/NYTime_projection.jpg)
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NYsLimes has Doug projected to win at 72% now. Hoping they are wrong.
I'm seeing Moore ahead 53.0-45.6 with 59% counted. The NYT prediction is becoming a mathematical impossibility.
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62% precincts reporting:
Roy Moore Republican 350,192 52.8%
Doug Jones Democrat 303,232 45.7
Total Write-Ins — 9,679 1.5
Jones better start making some moves, the window is closing fast.
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NYsLimes has Doug projected to win at 72% now. Hoping they are wrong.
They were as high as 80% recently. It is trending back in Moore's favor.
What Moore needs is for Jones's strongholds to underperform compared to the NYT model. Moore has a couple more strongholds in his favor that have yet to be tallied in west Alabama.
It all hinges in how many votes come in from places like Montgomery.
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NYsLimes has Doug projected to win at 72% now. Hoping they are wrong.
Not even close to the Official Unofficial state SOS site http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915 (http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915)
U.S. SENATE SPECIAL GENERAL ELECTION 2017 STATEWIDE RESULTS
Total Ballots Cast: 77,143 Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812 Voter Turnout: 2.32% Counties Reported: 15 of 67 Last Updated: 12/12/2017 08:28:22 PM
The election results presented on these pages are unofficial and presented as a courtesy of the Alabama Secretary of State and Alabama’s Probate Judges. The accuracy of the election results is the responsibility of the Probate Judge for each county reporting.
UNITED STATES SENATOR
Doug Jones (DEM) 37.15% 28,613
Roy S. Moore (REP) 61.62% 47,454
Write-In ( ) 0.09% 72
Write-In 1.14% 876
77,015
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That NYT meter was good in 2016... but that needle also I remember swung wildly a few times. A few states can do that.
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There's also the possibility of Option C: if there are enough valid write-ins and the margin is within about one percentage point, neither gets 50. I think that would mean a runoff.
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NYTimes saying most votes remaining come from Democratic areas...
(https://s2.postimg.org/dbvrxee61/Doug_Remaining_Votes.jpg)
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Karl Rover said on Fox earlier that if it wasn't Roy Moore but one of the other Republicans, this wouldn't be getting this kind of coverage and the other R would have this safely in the bag.
They showed some contest that Moore won back around 2011 or something, it was still close, 52% to 48% and I think that was against a Democrat.
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NYTimes saying most votes remaining come from Democratic areas...
(https://s2.postimg.org/dbvrxee61/Doug_Remaining_Votes.jpg)
Appears they're using the northeast models that urban areas are predominate Blue bastions. Not sure that is true in the south.
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54% of all Alabamans think abortion should be illegal, 40% say it should be.... so that's a major stat there, at the gym, they have all the satellite news channels running and so, I watched a bit of all of them.
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65% precincts reporting:
Roy Moore Republican 371,327 53.3%
Doug Jones Democrat 315,730 45.3
Total Write-Ins — 9,848 1.4
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I wonder if their model assumes the urban counties will continue to report the way of the early precincts. It could be that mostly black precincts are reporting in Jefferson, Montgomery, Mobile, and margins will shrink. That's the only path for Moore...
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70% precincts reporting:
Roy Moore Republican 401,467 51.8%
Doug Jones Democrat 363,307 46.8
Total Write-Ins — 10,968 1.4
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Karl Rover said on Fox earlier that if it wasn't Roy Moore but one of the other Republicans, this wouldn't be getting this kind of coverage and the other R would have this safely in the bag.
They showed some contest that Moore won back around 2011 or something, it was still close, 52% to 48% and I think that was against a Democrat.
That's what strikes me so odd about these sexual assault/pedophile claims. Those accusations could have sunk Moore's career then as much as now. He's always been polarizing, even in Alabama. Yet they never did. It screams of outside meddling, conjured by people outside Alabama who had a vested interest in Jones winning.
We'll find out if they get their wish in a few minutes. If they do, we'd better be scared.
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75% precincts reporting:
Roy Moore Republican 432,489 50.5%
Doug Jones Democrat 411,449 48.1
Total Write-Ins — 11,629 1.4
It's a race again.
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Still waiting on a few Moore-leaning precincts in the northeastern part of the state. There are also still votes to be counted down around Mobile, which is about evenly split.
Curiously, Dallas County is the only county that hasn't had a single precinct report. It's expected to go for Jones, which might be a big factor in NYT's model.
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Hard to believe Jefferson will continue to break 4:1 for Jones...
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Fox News has it for Jones based on their projections, though they are not calling a winner yet. The gap seems to be closing rather quickly.
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Still waiting on a few Moore-leaning precincts in the northeastern part of the state. There are also still votes to be counted down around Mobile, which is about evenly split.
Curiously, Dallas County is the only county that hasn't had a single precinct report. It's expected to go for Jones, which might be a big factor in NYT's model.
I noticed that. Kinda bothers me, that's right out of the Dem playbook.
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More populated counties take longer to report.
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Larry Elder whose roots are in Alabama said Huntsville has some solid Republican areas but that doesn't mean it is a Roy Moore area. Hmm.
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That's what strikes me so odd about these sexual assault/pedophile claims. Those accusations could have sunk Moore's career then as much as now. He's always been polarizing, even in Alabama. Yet they never did. It screams of outside meddling, conjured by people outside Alabama who had a vested interest in Jones winning.
We'll find out if they get their wish in a few minutes. If they do, we'd better be scared.
For about the last year, I have been operating on the assumption that there is a corps of forces that want to keep the money spigot flowing in Washington, and among other assets, they have the media.
I've noted that others are calling them "cloud people" while ordinary folk are given the name "dirt people", and this social and financial elite, roughly located between New York and Washington, have been controlling the rest of the nation for a long time.
Not much to get scared about. From what I can discern, this "establishment" is just the way things have been. Waking up to the fact doesn't make it any more of a problem than it already was.
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OAN predicting Moore? http://www.oann.com/roy-moore-wins-alabama-senate-seat/ (http://www.oann.com/roy-moore-wins-alabama-senate-seat/) Be cautious I guess.... when someone reports such.
One American News Now.
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81% precincts reporting:
Roy Moore Republican 475,540 49.7%
Doug Jones Democrat 466,498 48.8
Total Write-Ins — 14,054 1.5
Virtual tie now.
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WTH?
December 12, 2017
OAN Newsroom
Roy Moore wins the Alabama Senate election and will fill the seat left vacant by Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
Moore beat out Doug Jones, a democrat who President Trump has said is weak on crime and immigration.
Despite attacks from democrats about unverified allegations from nearly 40-years ago, Moore will keep the seat red and republicans will maintain a 52 to 48 majority in the Senate.
http://www.oann.com/roy-moore-wins-alabama-senate-seat/ (http://www.oann.com/roy-moore-wins-alabama-senate-seat/)
I don't know about this. They'll look silly if they are wrong.
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Jones is going to win. 51-49 senate.
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OAN predicting Moore? http://www.oann.com/roy-moore-wins-alabama-senate-seat/ (http://www.oann.com/roy-moore-wins-alabama-senate-seat/) Be cautious I guess.... when someone reports such.
One American News Now.
Just wow, talk about taking a huge risk. OANN just put their credibility on the line there and I don't see it was a wise move to do so.
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OAN predicting Moore? http://www.oann.com/roy-moore-wins-alabama-senate-seat/ (http://www.oann.com/roy-moore-wins-alabama-senate-seat/) Be cautious I guess.... when someone reports such.
One American News Now.
What a bizarre article. It has me confused about why they would publish such a thing? Strange.
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WTH?
I don't know about this. They'll look silly if they are wrong.
It could be a leaked draft.
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WTH?
I don't know about this. They'll look silly if they are wrong.
They already look silly....
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85% precincts reporting:
Roy Moore Republican 510,308 49.4%
Doug Jones Democrat 506,451 49.0
Total Write-Ins — 15,798 1.5
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Jones is going to win. 51-49 senate.
Now making Sessions AG really looks like a bone-headed move.
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If these numbers hold, there may be another election.
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Solid RED seat and Mitch and Trump threw it all away. #MAGA
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Now making Sessions AG really looks like a bone-headed move.
Choosing Moore over Brooks or Strange looks like a bone-headed move.
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Solid RED seat and Mitch and Trump threw it all away. #MAGA
More than just that, Sessions is an absolutely horrible AG. He is no better than Holder and Lynch. He's just like them.
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Solid RED seat and Mitch and Trump threw it all away. #MAGA
The people who spread the manufactured lies threw it away.
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Solid RED seat and Mitch and Trump threw it all away. #MAGA
How did Trump throw this away? The President initially said Moore would have too tough a time winning the general election. But to his credit, he did all he could for Moore under dreadful circumstances.
At least we'll get to keep the 10 Commandments.
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Well at least the Turtle is happy, one step closer to being in the Minority again, where he likes to be.
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On the plus side --- Franken has to resign now.
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On the plus side --- Franken has to resign now.
Bet he won't.
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Well at least the Turtle is happy, one step closer to being in the Minority again, where he likes to be.
So true. There is no expectations or responsibilities in the minority. And that is where the GOP is most comfortable.
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Bet he won't.
Franken was counting on a Moore win to use as an excuse to stay. Now we should push him out and open that seat in 2018.
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Jones just took the lead. Fox rejoicing.
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87% precincts reporting:
Doug Jones Democrat 542,857 49.2%
Roy Moore Republican 542,380 49.2
Total Write-Ins — 17,326 1.6
Does Alabama require 50% to win?
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87% precincts reporting:
Doug Jones Democrat 542,857 49.2%
Roy Moore Republican 542,380 49.2
Total Write-Ins — 17,326 1.6
Does Alabama require 50% to win?
McConnell needs to resign tonight. He is the author of this debacle.
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87% precincts reporting:
Doug Jones Democrat 542,857 49.2%
Roy Moore Republican 542,380 49.2
Total Write-Ins — 17,326 1.6
Does Alabama require 50% to win?
They did with the primary. Not sure if they do for the general.
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How did Trump throw this away? The President initially said Moore would have too tough a time winning the general election. But to his credit, he did all he could for Moore under dreadful circumstances.
At least we'll get to keep the 10 Commandments.
BS, @Right_in_Virginia Strange was Mitch's pick and after their big fight (Trump and Mitch) Trump came out for Strange when Mo still had a chance, this sex crap on Moore wasn't even on the Radar then.
Your guy backed a failure from the get go in this CF, Mo was the only Conservative, without baggage, that was running but alas he was a Conservative and Mitch AND Trump didn't need another one on those in the Senate. Flame on Lady.
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Now making Sessions AG really looks like a bone-headed move.
No the bone headed move was not doing something about Moore. Either aggressively defend him or get him to step aside but allowing this to limp along with faint support was stupid. The only plus side this evening is watching TOS turn on itself
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Fox calls it for Jones
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Ok Sessions we lost this seat because you wanted to be AG... You'd better start delivering.
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Race just called for Jones.
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Fox projects Jones, wow.
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BS, @Right_in_Virginia Strange was Mitch's pick and after their big fight (Trump and Mitch) Trump came out for Strange when Mo still had a chance, this sex crap on Moore wasn't even on the Radar then.
It's not BS @corbe The President from the start of the primary stated repeatedly that Moore would have a tough time winning the general election (Moore's nuts, in case you hadn't noticed). But he promised to support Moore if he won the primary and the President did just that, against the wishes of the GOPe.
So deal with it.
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At this point I'm not sure how Moore can win. There's too many Dem county precincts out.
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Can't help but feel the voters got the candidate they deserved.
But I don't think they'll learn.
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Well, I'm sure the Republicans will rally from this defeat and come back strong in 2018 :whistle:
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I guess the people prefer abortion over pedophilia......./s
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Solid RED seat and Mitch and Trump threw it all away. #MAGA
Yeah, so non-Republicans say who supposedly back a Republican guy who withdrew his endorsement of Judge Roy Moore, well, we can all make a meal out of it, we told 'em so.
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Well, I'm sure the Republicans will rally from this defeat and come back strong in 2018 :whistle:
F the Republicans.
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At this point I'm not sure how Moore can win. There's too many Dem county precincts out.
You're right @Free Vulcan Moore's done. It's Senator Jones.
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Can't help but feel the voters got the candidate they deserved.
But I don't think they'll learn.
agreed
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Ok Sessions we lost this seat because you wanted to be AG... You'd better start delivering.
That'll happen. No, Sessions will use this as an excuse to be even MORE timid.
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BS, @Right_in_Virginia Strange was Mitch's pick and after their big fight (Trump and Mitch) Trump came out for Strange when Mo still had a chance, this sex crap on Moore wasn't even on the Radar then.
Your guy backed a failure from the get go in this CF, Mo was the only Conservative, without baggage, that was running but alas he was a Conservative and Mitch AND Trump didn't need another one on those in the Senate. Flame on Lady.
What are you talking about? We won't know who trump backed until the final count is in.
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F the Republicans.
Okay.
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Did a good job Bannon....NOT!
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No the bone headed move was not doing something about Moore. Either aggressively defend him or get him to step aside but allowing this to limp along with faint support was stupid. The only plus side this evening is watching TOS turn on itself
Too many people on "our" side stabbed him in the back, Mitch McConnell among them. We always attack our own candidates and a good portion of us believe whatever crap the liberal media says about them.
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Too many people on "our" side stabbed him in the back, Mitch McConnell among them. We always attack our own candidates and a good portion of us believe whatever crap the liberal media says about them.
McConnell hates responsibility he wants to be in the Minority.
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Well, I'm sure the Republicans will rally from this defeat and come back strong in 2018 :whistle:
Sure You keep believing that. If they don’t pass tax reform and significant reform at that they have no chance. Even with tax reform they are in trouble. I have been voting republican since 1980 and this may be the first election I sit out. A pox on all their houses
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Well, you can expect every Republican candidate for federal office to be accused of being a pedophile now that the Democrats know it's a winning strategy and everyone will buy it.
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Guess riding around on a horse isn't the winning strategy it was........back in 1877.
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Did a good job Bannon....NOT!
What does Bannon have to do with people spreading accusations against our candidate?
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McConnell hates responsibility he wants to be in the Minority.
He may get his wish....better not lose the House or we will be covering impeachment proceedings in 2019
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I guess the people prefer abortion over pedophilia......./s
I think a lot of good people stayed home in disgust. A trend I expect to gain momentum
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My prayers answered; we can all stop arguing about the Roy Moore sex assault BS and go back to arguing about Trump being a doofus. Hooray.
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So! Now that that's over...who wants to start a pool on what happens to these molesting charges against Moore?
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Did a good job Bannon....NOT!
Let's not blame those who supported Moore and did all they could to pull his sorry arse out of the fire during the general.
But we can blame Bannon for pushing Moore during the primaries. I know I do.
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Solid RED seat and Mitch and Trump threw it all away. #MAGA
Why blame Mitch? Could it be that Roy was a S**t candidate...
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What does Bannon have to do with people spreading accusations against our candidate?
apparently people believed those accusations including Trump's daughter
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So! Now that that's over...who wants to start a pool on what happens to these molesting charges against Moore?
I'll start. It will turn out the women were molested by Trump.
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AP just called it for Jones.
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Here's what this means for the future. If the swamp and the media can do this to Roy Moore in Alabama they can do it to anyone anywhere. There will be no more grassroots candidates win anywhere. If you don't get on your knees and kiss the right rings you can forget getting elected anywhere in this nation now.
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So! Now that that's over...who wants to start a pool on what happens to these molesting charges against Moore?
In a few days you won't hear anymore about them....the MSM is after Trump now
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So! Now that that's over...who wants to start a pool on what happens to these molesting charges against Moore?
@corbe I think it's about time for a poll...first thing in the morning?
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The voters of Alabama chose him, Moore in the primaries, the Wapo came in with their story. I'm not just going to saddle certain parties with blame, it looks like there is a lot to go around.
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Sure You keep believing that. If they don’t pass tax reform and significant reform at that they have no chance. Even with tax reform they are in trouble. I have been voting republican since 1980 and this may be the first election I sit out. A pox on all their houses
IMHO this election was the canary in the mine for the GOP in the upcoming mid terms.
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In a few days you won't hear anymore about them....the MSM is after Trump now
Yup.
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I'll start. It will turn out the women were molested by Trump.
@corbe One answer for your poll....
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Why blame Mitch? Could it be that Roy was a S**t candidate...
You can get ready for this to be done to every GOP candidate they can. Every one will get the Herman Cain/Ted Cruz treatment.
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So, Fox didn't get their polling perfect but I guess, better than those who said Moore was going to win. I also heard earlier, the turnout was 25% of eligible voters. I'd blame the voters as much as anyone if this is so and the Dems were more energized.
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Sessions gave up this seat for NOTHING...He's done JACK SQUAT!
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IMHO this election was the canary in the mine for the GOP in the upcoming mid terms.
The way the GOP has been acting, I don't much care if they lose.
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Now that the DEMS have won by way of sexual misconduct accusations they will continue to hound Trump and call for him to step down for sexual misconduct...the timing of the woman who has come forward (again) accusing Trump of groping is perfectly aligned with Jones' win.
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Could it be that Roy was a S**t candidate...
He was. He never campaigned.
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Sessions gave up this seat for NOTHING...He's done JACK SQUAT!
word
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Sessions gave up this seat for NOTHING...He's done JACK SQUAT!
This truth makes the Jones win so much more painful.
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So, Fox didn't get their polling perfect but I guess, better than those who said Moore was going to win. I also heard earlier, the turnout was 25% of eligible voters. I'd blame the voters as much as anyone if this is so and the Dems were more energized.
If I were in Alabama I would have stayed home. You can only hold your nose so long. The dems win twice here. They get the seat and they get to paint conservative Christians as sanctimonious nut jobs
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Does this mean Al Franken does have to resign?
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The GOP rank & file drew the wrong conclusion from 2016. Unless the other side sends up Hillary, you're going to lose a competitive race with a weak candidate. And with Trump cratering like I expected, they are pretty well screwed for the midterms.
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Guess riding around on a horse isn't the winning strategy it was........back in 1877.
Well, that 1% of the power of the Senate looks pretty powerful when the split between the two halves is ~ 50%
That 1% can sometimes control 100% of the result.
Big forces wanted to make sure that 1% ended up under their control.
I wanted to make that point to you before, but I couldn't think of the proper way to phrase it to make the point clear.
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You can get ready for this to be done to every GOP candidate they can. Every one will get the Herman Cain/Ted Cruz treatment.
Absolutely right! You can count on it! May not be sex but you can bet your azz that they will find, or manufacture, something and spin it till they get the outcome they want!
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Here's what this means for the future. If the swamp and the media can do this to Roy Moore in Alabama they can do it to anyone anywhere. There will be no more grassroots candidates win anywhere. If you don't get on your knees and kiss the right rings you can forget getting elected anywhere in this nation now.
The populist portion of the voter base will continue to nominate fringe candidates unable to win statewide election... but they won't blame themselves when Democrats take control again.
Remember this happening for Harry Reid? He was extremely vulnerable but the voters put up Sharon Angle instead...
The good news is the Democrats are as dysfunctional as we are, but they can certainly unite in opposition to Trump.
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Remember the good ol days back in 2014~'BT' (before Trump)?
November 4, 2014
Nominee Jeff Sessions
Party Republican
Popular vote
795,606
Percentage
97.3%
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He may get his wish....better not lose the House or we will be covering impeachment proceedings in 2019
Who cares? Then we get Pence. He may be the better President anyway. I have no fear of impeachment.
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Last chance absentee votes... fingers crossed.
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So! Now that that's over...who wants to start a pool on what happens to these molesting charges against Moore?
They will evaporate like the morning dew. They were always just a tool to stop Trump.
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Does this mean Al Franken does have to resign?
I wonder if he will now.
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Does this mean Al Franken does have to resign?
IMHO he'd have stayed on if Moore had won.
Now he's gonna be pushed out and again...in IMO...be replaced by Keith X Ellison.
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Who cares? Then we get Pence. He may be the better President anyway. I have no fear of impeachment.
They won't stop with Trump...Pence would be vulnerable too
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The populist portion of the voter base will continue to nominate fringe candidates unable to win statewide election... but they won't blame themselves when Democrats take control again.
Remember this happening for Harry Reid? He was extremely vulnerable but the voters put up Sharon Angle instead...
The good news is the Democrats are as dysfunctional as we are, but they can certainly unite in opposition to Trump.
Maybe Steve Bannon should just f**k off.
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Now that the DEMS have won by way of sexual misconduct accusations they will continue to hound Trump and call for him to step down for sexual misconduct...the timing of the woman who has come forward (again) accusing Trump of groping is perfectly aligned with Jones' win.
Agree @libertybele And Republicans/Conservatives will begin another endless debate on the validity of the charges further dividing and weakening the party.
Democrats know how to fight a war ... and they don't care that we know their strongest weapon is the media. It still works for them.
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apparently people believed those accusations including Trump's daughter
Some portion of the population always believes bad things about someone they don't like anyway. What would the New York Liberal Darling want with a Bible Thumper like Moore anyways?
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I wonder if he will now.
Count on it. The accusations are an albatross in a party where they hang their hats on finding albotrosses. Plus, the Dems can replace him with a Dem and Minnesota probably will be reliably blue in a special election thanks to Congress' incompetence and Trump's inability to stop tweeting stupid stuff.
Franken is gone.
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Poll should be Will Franken resign....I am saying no
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Does this mean Al Franken does have to resign?
Now that the election is over, no.
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The voters of Alabama chose him, Moore in the primaries, the Wapo came in with their story. I'm not just going to saddle certain parties with blame, it looks like there is a lot to go around.
I only blame one group. Those who accepted the unverified and contradictory claims at face value, spread them around, and as a result lent aid and comfort to the enemy.
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They won't stop with Trump...Pence would be vulnerable too
Maybe. But it won't be so easy. Pence doesn't tease the lion like Trump is so fond of doing. He doesn't have the checkered past that Trump has. It will be much harder for them to pin him down, especially in the time remaining until the next election.
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Well, that 1% of the power of the Senate looks pretty powerful when the split between the two halves is ~ 50%
That 1% can sometimes control 100% of the result.
Big forces wanted to make sure that 1% ended up under their control.
I wanted to make that point to you before, but I couldn't think of the proper way to phrase it to make the point clear.
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Yeah and even if the GOP had 100% of the power they would do nothing, because they are all professional losers just like Jesus Freak and admitted child dater Roy Moore.
Wrap your head around the fact that a solid red state just voted for a Communist abortionist and everyone with an R after their named just sighed in relief to not be burdened with leadership anymore. I'll be Paul Ryan was so excited he ran to the gym to pump some irons with the other sweaty boys there.
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Moore ran for Gov twice and lost....per Fox
Moore's team not conceding yet
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Poll should be Will Franken resign....I am saying no
It depends If the dems think they have a chance of gaining traction with sexual misconduct claims on Trump they would push out their own grandmother. If it looks like the smear on trump is going nowhere Franken will stay and loudly proclaim if Trump doesn’t have to resign neither will he....
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So, Fox didn't get their polling perfect but I guess, better than those who said Moore was going to win. I also heard earlier, the turnout was 25% of eligible voters. I'd blame the voters as much as anyone if this is so and the Dems were more energized.
The accusations made a lot of people sit out the election. They couldn't vote for Jones, and they decided they wouldn't vote for Moore.
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But what would they get Pence for? Certainly not any sexual impropriety.
He was built in Taiwan, so not an NBC.
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Poll should be Will Franken resign....I am saying no
He's got to so they can now focus on the President.
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Agree @libertybele And Republicans/Conservatives will begin another endless debate on the validity of the charges further dividing and weakening the party.
Sure. And I'll bet we know which Briefers would lead the way....
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But what would they get Pence for? Certainly not any sexual impropriety.
We're talking about the Dems...they would invent something...
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If I were in Alabama I would have stayed home. You can only hold your nose so long. The dems win twice here. They get the seat and they get to paint conservative Christians as sanctimonious nut jobs
Because we'll get another chance to stop baby murder in about 40 more years or so.
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Maybe. But it won't be so easy. Pence doesn't tease the lion like Trump is so fond of doing. He doesn't have the checkered past that Trump has. It will be much harder for them to pin him down, especially in the time remaining until the next election.
Pence would appear to be squeaky clean, but honestly, I assume every politician is sleazy. I think you almost need to be to succeed at most any level of politics, much less the national level and if we limit ourselves to the pure, we won't have anyone to vote for.
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Mitch screwed up another solid victory, but solidified his majority of losers with his bud Chuckie. Now he gets to live with his decisions. I feel sorry for the country and Alabama, but not for the GOPe. They got what they wanted. I don’t want to hear a sorry assed peep from them about not able to get a majority to vote for anything. F#$@& off the whole lot of them.
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But what would they get Pence for? Certainly not any sexual impropriety.
The very same could have been said about Moore not 60 days ago.
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Mitch screwed up another solid victory, but solidified his majority of losers with his bud Chuckie. Now he gets to live with his decisions. I feel sorry for the country and Alabama, but not for the GOPe. They got what they wanted. I don’t want to hear a sorry assed peep from them about not able to get a majority to vote for anything. F#$@& off the whole lot of them.
Oh, Mitch is a very happy man tonight.
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Moore ran for Gov twice and lost....per Fox
Whatever made Bannon think Moore could win a Senate seat??
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Yeah and even if the GOP had 100% of the power they would do nothing, because they are all professional losers just like Jesus Freak and admitted child dater Roy Moore.
Wrap your head around the fact that a solid red state just voted for a Communist abortionist and everyone with an R after their named just sighed in relief to not be burdened with leadership anymore. I'll be Paul Ryan was so excited he ran to the gym to pump some irons with the other sweaty boys there.
LOL! But true.
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@roamer_1
As I said to you, it's a solid red state, only way Moore could lose was majority of Republican women would not vote for Moore - you said they would vote for him. They didn't, plus a big move to get blacks out to vote happened.
Plus there were 21,781 write-ins (the total right now)- likely the Republican women, plus other Republicans who would not vote for Moore.
Moore lost us a Senate seat.
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Because we'll get another chance to stop baby murder in about 40 more years or so.
No big deal that's only about 50million babies
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Whatever made Bannon think Moore could win a Senate seat??
He came pretty damn close, in spite of everything.
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This was no one's fault but Ray Moore's.
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If it looks like the smear on trump is going nowhere Franken will stay and loudly proclaim if Trump doesn’t have to resign neither will he....
That is how I see it...Franken doesn't want to leave and I bet he is fighting tooth and nail behind the scences with Chuckie..
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Oh, Mitch is a very happy man tonight.
And Saint Romney.
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The populist portion of the voter base will continue to nominate fringe candidates unable to win statewide election...
Because in the absence of accusations, Moore would have lost anyway? Your thinking is alien to me. It makes utterly no sense.
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@JWGOP
1m1 minute ago
Winner: America. Loser: Gadsden Mall. #MooreWithTimeOnHisHands
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@roamer_1
As I said to you, it's a solid red state, only way Moore could lose was majority of Republican women would not vote for Moore - you said they would vote for him. They didn't, plus a big move to get blacks out to vote happened.
Plus there were 21,781 write-ins (the total right now)- likely the Republican women, plus other Republicans who would not vote for Moore.
Moore lost us a Senate seat.
Maybe if Moore had stronger opposition in the Primary, but he didn't. This was a team loss.
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Yeah and even if the GOP had 100% of the power they would do nothing, because they are all professional losers just like Jesus Freak and admitted child dater Roy Moore.
Wrap your head around the fact that a solid red state just voted for a Communist abortionist and everyone with an R after their named just sighed in relief to not be burdened with leadership anymore. I'll be Paul Ryan was so excited he ran to the gym to pump some irons with the other sweaty boys there.
Wait, that commie abortionist only said abortion was okay up until delivery.
Now, how he feels about aborting a two-month old who's keeping people up at night, we're not sure.
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Whatever made Bannon think Moore could win a Senate seat??
This. Moore has never run well statewide. I think Trump (pragmatic for once) made the same point when he cast his support in the primaries for Moore's opponent.
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Because we'll get another chance to stop baby murder in about 40 more years or so.
Electing Moore would not have stopped baby murder. There are not 60 votes in the senate for that even with Moore. There aren’t even 50 votes with the likes of Collins and Murkowski who are supposedly on our side of the aisle
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He came pretty damn close, in spite of everything.
Not nearly good enough.
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This was no one's fault but Ray Moore's.
Exactly.
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And Saint Romney.
And McCain (what's taking that damn Cancer so long, anyway?)
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? I thought he was born in Indiana.
They stamped that on his ass right before he left the crappy electronics factory in Taiwan.
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Oh, Mitch is a very happy man tonight.
Good. I hope he enjoys it for the next two years
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This. Moore has never run well statewide. I think Trump (pragmatic for once) made the same point when he cast his support in the primaries for Moore's opponent.
He did.
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Maybe Steve Bannon should just f**k off.
Maybe you should go easy on your medication. If you aren't taking any, perhaps you should start.
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Last chance absentee votes... fingers crossed.
@Sighlass
Absentee ballots were already counted before the polls closed. Those numbers were the first ones released as soon as polls closed.
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@roamer_1
As I said to you, it's a solid red state, only way Moore could lose was majority of Republican women would not vote for Moore - you said they would vote for him. They didn't, plus a big move to get blacks out to vote happened.
Plus there were 21,781 write-ins (the total right now)- likely the Republican women, plus other Republicans who would not vote for Moore.
Moore lost us a Senate seat.
@Victoria33
Moore didn't lose us shit.
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Because in the absence of accusations, Moore would have lost anyway? Your thinking is alien to me. It makes utterly no sense.
History with Moore says it was always going to be a close race. He wasn't a candidate who had any margin for resiliency against smears -- bogus or otherwise.
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Everybody is missing the big take away from this election. Once again, for the tenth year in a row, the polls were wronger than wrong.
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I wonder since the number of write-ins is about the margin of difference between Moore and a Jones, if Moore wii request a recount.
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Maybe if Moore had stronger opposition in the Primary, but he didn't. This was a team loss.
No. The Ten Commandments carried Moore over the finish line in the primaries.
Stupid as that was.
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I thought that Roy had God's backing.
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The mantra lately has been 'let the voters of Alabama decide.'
Well, they did.
Now that people outside Alabama don't like it, it has to be the fault of McConnell, Soros, or something...
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History with Moore says it was always going to be a close race. He wasn't a candidate who had any margin for resiliency against smears -- bogus or otherwise.
Good point. 888high58888
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Texas has nothing to fear in 2018 cause Sen. Cruz has bigly experience in deflecting bogus accusations.
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@JWGOP
1m1 minute ago
Winner: America. Loser: Gadsden Mall. #MooreWithTimeOnHisHands
Yu swamp agents go ahead and celebrate while you can!
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If I were in Alabama I would have stayed home. You can only hold your nose so long. The dems win twice here. They get the seat and they get to paint conservative Christians as sanctimonious nut jobs
This.
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@Victoria33
Moore didn't lose us shit.
Of course not. He was a slacked jawed loser to begin with.
(https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2017/09/26/d4b011a4-a94d-4c85-bd9b-06cc7ecf477c/thumbnail/620x350/fd2693c31790c78f44218abb58ff8159/roy-moore.jpg)
"This is how big mine is.....which is why I am forced to impress teenage girls with it. Women usually laugh me out of bed"
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Yu swamp agents go ahead and celebrate while you can!
Well that's it for harassment talk. Mission Accomplished. Hollywood can go back to Business As Usual.
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Yeah and even if the GOP had 100% of the power they would do nothing, because they are all professional losers just like Jesus Freak and admitted child dater Roy Moore.
Wrap your head around the fact that a solid red state just voted for a Communist abortionist and everyone with an R after their named just sighed in relief to not be burdened with leadership anymore.
To be sure, our party is full of cowards, but they have good cause. That Weaponized broadcasting system owned by the Democrats can cut them to pieces if they attract it's attention.
But yes, our side cutting and running at the first sign of trouble has cost us more than one election.
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Should have listened to Trump instead of Bannon. :shrug:
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Guess riding around on a horse isn't the winning strategy it was........back in 1877.
Nope. Being a rider isn't a winner. Being a horse's ass is.
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Well that's it for harassment talk. Mission Accomplished. Hollywood can go back to Business As Usual.
Nope. The President's up next.
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The accusations made a lot of people sit out the election. They couldn't vote for Jones, and they decided they wouldn't vote for Moore.
That's correct. Moore wasn't worth fighting for.
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No. The Ten Commandments carried Moore over the finish line in the primaries.
Stupid as that was.
Just taking it all in, why vote republican at all any more. They just stab Christians. From Trump to most of the Senate worked against Moore. 10 to 1 money spent against Moore. Same as democrats as far as I can see.
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The mantra lately has been 'let the voters of Alabama decide.'
Well, they did.
Now that people outside Alabama don't like it, it has to be the fault of McConnell, Soros, or something...
Exactly.
The people of Alabama spoke. Bad candidate. Bad result.
It could have been prevented.
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Mo Brooks would have made a damn fine Senator. An economic Conservative through and through.
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I thought that Roy had God's backing.
Of course not. God was always for your candidate Jones. You know how much he loves 4th trimester abortions.
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I thought that Roy had God's backing.
Well, Kevin, no one will be able to blame him for the coming CF in Washington. Maybe God decided to spare him a term in that snake pit.
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The reality is that turnout was excellent across the state. I'm not sure who stayed home.
What got Jones over the line was the black vote, which has nothing to do with Moore, other than the smear ads by Jones calling him a racist.
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Whatever made Bannon think Moore could win a Senate seat??
Anyone with any sense would think what Bannon thought. Two months ago Moore was a shoe-in.
He may still win.
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Of course not. God was always for your candidate Jones. You know how much he loves 4th trimester abortions.
I guess that explains The Slaughter of the Innocents.
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They won't stop with Trump...Pence would be vulnerable too
@mystery-ak
They would not go after Pence; he is not mentally crippled like Trump.
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This was no one's fault but Ray Moore's.
No, it was the fault of people who spread around unprovable accusations from 40 F***ing years ago.
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Exactly.
The people of Alabama spoke. Bad candidate. Bad result.
It could have been prevented.
Yeah, if the people of Alabama hadn't voted for Moore in the first place, they wouldn't have had to choose between the target of a full bore smear campaign and a supporter of murdering babies.
Oh, and that trial by media thingy....
People will have the government they deserve.
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Alabama SOS site has it closing
49.43% 526,027. Jones
49.20%. 523,622. Moore
14,553. Write in’s
Total Ballots Cast: 1,066,716 Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812 Voter Turnout: 32.06% Counties Reported: 65 of 67 Last Updated: 12/12/2017 09:53:41 PM
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The reality is that turnout was excellent across the state. I'm not sure who stayed home.
What got Jones over the line was the black vote, which has nothing to do with Moore, other than the smear ads by Jones calling him a racist.
Or Moore, himself, saying that the time of slavery was a great time because families were stronger.
He did this to himself. No one did it for him....... or to him.
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What a circus a recount would be
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The reality is that turnout was excellent across the state. I'm not sure who stayed home.
What got Jones over the line was the black vote, which has nothing to do with Moore, other than the smear ads by Jones calling him a racist.
Should have picked our own damned cotton.
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Yeah, if the people of Alabama hadn't voted for Moore in the first place, they wouldn't have had to choose between the target of a full bore smear campaign and a supporter of murdering babies.
Oh, and that trial by media thingy....
People will have the government they deserve.
Sorry. I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.
We agree on almost everything else, so I hope that's OK with you.
The media smear didn't lose it for Moore. He did. NO Republican candidate should have lost this seat.
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@mystery-ak
They would not go after Pence; he is not mentally crippled like Trump.
The President is not mentally crippled @Victoria33
And, yes, Pence will be removed, too. So be careful what you wish for.
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Electing Moore would not have stopped baby murder. There are not 60 votes in the senate for that even with Moore. There aren’t even 50 votes with the likes of Collins and Murkowski who are supposedly on our side of the aisle
I think Judicial nominees no longer have to have 60 votes. I believe Harry Reid triggered the Nuke option, and so we've been using it.
Now very good judges can get hungup in the Senate in favor of "moderates".
Not voting has resulted in a nigh on infinity more damage than voting would have had.
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Alabama SOS site has it closing
49.43% 526,027. Jones
49.20%. 523,622. Moore
14,553. Write in’s
Total Ballots Cast: 1,066,716 Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812 Voter Turnout: 32.06% Counties Reported: 65 of 67 Last Updated: 12/12/2017 09:53:41 PM
That's half the turnout from Nov 2016. Perhaps that's not bad for a special election, but it's pretty obvious a lot of people didn't care.
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No, it was the fault of people who spread around unprovable accusations from 40 F***ing years ago.
No, it is still Moore's responsibility. He did a piss poor job of defending himself. He should have been campaigning across the state non-stop like a real candidate does. But he figured his Ten Commandments stance was all that was needed.
Moore may have a good chunk of the people swayed, but he sucks at politics.
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U.S. SENATE SPECIAL GENERAL ELECTION 2017 STATEWIDE RESULTS
Total Ballots Cast: 1,132,826 Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812 Voter Turnout: 34.05% Counties Reported: 66 of 67 Last Updated: 12/12/2017 09:56:44 PM
The election results presented on these pages are unofficial and presented as a courtesy of the Alabama Secretary of State and Alabama’s Probate Judges. The accuracy of the election results is the responsibility of the Probate Judge for each county reporting.
UNITED STATES SENATOR
Doug Jones (DEM) 49.01%. 553,931
Roy S. Moore (REP) 49.55%. 560,083
Write-In 1.44%. 16,271
1,130,285
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@Victoria33
Moore didn't lose us shit.
He lost evangelicals their moral authority. They're cynical opportunists no better than the rest. It is a scandal that the GOP couldn't retain this seat. It nominated the only man that could persuade the State of Alabama to send to the Senate who could well be their most liberal member.
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Should have picked our own damned cotton.
Wow. That was uncalled for.
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The media smear didn't lose it for Moore. He did. NO Republican candidate should have lost this seat.
Word.
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What a circus a recount would be
It doesn't really matter now because the swamp and the media have proven their formula to keep unwanted interlopers out and it will be used unceasingly without mercy from here on out.
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U.S. SENATE SPECIAL GENERAL ELECTION 2017 STATEWIDE RESULTS
Total Ballots Cast: 1,132,826 Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812 Voter Turnout: 34.05% Counties Reported: 66 of 67 Last Updated: 12/12/2017 09:56:44 PM
The election results presented on these pages are unofficial and presented as a courtesy of the Alabama Secretary of State and Alabama’s Probate Judges. The accuracy of the election results is the responsibility of the Probate Judge for each county reporting.
UNITED STATES SENATOR
Doug Jones (DEM) 49.01%. 553,931
Roy S. Moore (REP) 49.55%. 560,083
Write-In 1.44%. 16,271
1,130,285
Who said Moore lost. The fat lady didn’t sing yet
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@Victoria33
Moore didn't lose us shit.
That is my position as well. Our guy got backstabbed by people all to eager to believe the guy they didn't like anyways, was a creep.
Jeff Flake wrote a check to Doug Jones. That's the kind of treasonous scum we have in our party.
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@mystery-ak
They would not go after Pence; he is not mentally crippled like Trump.
Really? He is the most cripple establishment loser we have had as VP since Algore.
I hope the Rats find out Mike is having an affair so we have proof he is not a robot or a martian.
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Latest results I've seen:
Doug Jones Democrat 639,088 49.5%
Roy Moore Republican 629,749 48.8
Total Write-Ins — 22,019 1.7
98% reporting (2,181 of 2,220 precincts)
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No, it is still Moore's responsibility. He did a piss poor job of defending himself. He should have been campaigning across the state non-stop like a real candidate does. But he figured his Ten Commandments stance was all that was needed.
Moore may have a good chunk of the people swayed, but he sucks at politics.
Moore also spent the last Saturday before the election watching the Army-Navy game.
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Sorry. I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.
We agree on almost everything else, so I hope that's OK with you.
The media smear didn't lose it for Moore. He did. NO Republican candidate should have lost this seat.
Only one candidate could have lost, and it was Moore. And that's who the voters put up.
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History with Moore says it was always going to be a close race. He wasn't a candidate who had any margin for resiliency against smears -- bogus or otherwise.
Not one F***ing candidate could have survived that attack. It didn't matter if it was Mo Brooks or Luther Strange, that attack would have destroyed them too.
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That is my position as well. Our guy got backstabbed by people all to eager to believe the guy they didn't like anyways, was a creep.
Jeff Flake wrote a check to Doug Jones. That's the kind of treasonous scum we have in our party.
The Treasonous Scum starts at the very top of the Party. Yes, Mitch, I'm talking about you.
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I think Judicial nominees no longer have to have 60 votes. I believe Harry Reid triggered the Nuke option, and so we've been using it.
Now very good judges can get hungup in the Senate in favor of "moderates".
Not voting has resulted in a nigh on infinity more damage than voting would have had.
We still have 51 plus Pence. I don’t blame people for not voting for Moore. I would have had a hard time voting for him if I lived in Alabama
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U.S. SENATE SPECIAL GENERAL ELECTION 2017 STATEWIDE RESULTS
Total Ballots Cast: 1,132,826 Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812 Voter Turnout: 34.05% Counties Reported: 66 of 67 Last Updated: 12/12/2017 09:56:44 PM
The election results presented on these pages are unofficial and presented as a courtesy of the Alabama Secretary of State and Alabama’s Probate Judges. The accuracy of the election results is the responsibility of the Probate Judge for each county reporting.
UNITED STATES SENATOR
Doug Jones (DEM) 49.01%. 553,931
Roy S. Moore (REP) 49.55%. 560,083
Write-In 1.44%. 16,271
1,130,285
The NY Times has it 639k to 629k for Jones. Why are your vote totals so much lower?
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The President is not mentally crippled @Victoria33
And, yes, Pence will be removed, too. So be careful what you wish for.
Your Trump Love is showing again @Right_in_Virginia and I, for one, am OK with that.
I anxiously await his tweet about this at 5:20 AM EST.
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@radleybalko
4m4 minutes ago
Report: Steve Bannon talking to the Demogorgon to run for Indiana’s senate seat next year.
Go away Steve..
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Latest results I've seen:
Doug Jones Democrat 639,088 49.5%
Roy Moore Republican 629,749 48.8
Total Write-Ins — 22,019 1.7
98% reporting (2,181 of 2,220 precincts)
http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915 (http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915)
Big difference. Don’t know your source.
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Who said Moore lost. The fat lady didn’t sing yet
Math did. The remaining 2% of votes to be counted are from blue areas in Birmingham and outside Mobile. Not enough in those areas to overcome the deficit.
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He lost evangelicals their moral authority. They're cynical opportunists no better than the rest. It is a scandal that the GOP couldn't retain this seat. It nominated the only man that could persuade the State of Alabama to send to the Senate who could well be their most liberal member.
BULLSHIT.
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Or Moore, himself, saying that the time of slavery was a great time because families were stronger.
He did this to himself. No one did it for him....... or to him.
They are going to do this to every candidate from now on, troll up every word that they said, even if bald faced lies, out of context, or said 40 years ago. Moore has nothing to do with it.
They have their formula now.
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The Treasonous Scum starts at the very top of the Party. Yes, Mitch, I'm talking about you.
Yes. Sadly the Republican Party no longer represents conservative interests and they have not for many years. Staying home is one thing. Actively supporting the other side is another
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Moore also spent the last Saturday before the election watching the Army-Navy game.
Exactly. He should have been on a bus stopping at every town between Decatur and Dothan.
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Wow. That was uncalled for.
Yeah, he's wrong.
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http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915 (http://www2.alabamavotes.gov/electionNight/statewideResultsByContest.aspx?ecode=1000915)
Big difference. Don’t know your source.
NY Times. The state site is woefully behind.
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BULLSHIT.
Just heard Jones' speech. Does this guy have an IQ over 10?
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That is my position as well. Our guy got backstabbed by people all to eager to believe the guy they didn't like anyways, was a creep.
Jeff Flake wrote a check to Doug Jones. That's the kind of treasonous scum we have in our party.
There was a lot of backstabbing of Moore. But Moore had nothing to run on other than the Ten Commandments and our need to return to God.
Which is probably why he chose to watch the Army-Navy game on Saturday instead of campaigning.
Moore is now a three time loser in a statewide election in Alabama. Let's hope three times is the limit.
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BULLSHIT.
Truth. Sorry.
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That's correct. Moore wasn't worth fighting for.
This wasn't about our people sitting this one out, this was about our people joining the Democrats in spreading the lies about him. This is about the power of the New York/Washington establishment media to make up sh*t and get stupid people to accept it at face value.
Once again, the people were conned by those who control the airwaves.
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They are going to do this to every candidate from now on, troll up every word that they said, even if bald faced lies, out of context, or said 40 years ago. Moore has nothing to do with it.
They have their formula now.
It's not a new formula.
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Your Trump Love is showing again @Right_in_Virginia
Bite me @corbe
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Not one F***ing candidate could have survived that attack. It didn't matter if it was Mo Brooks or Luther Strange, that attack would have destroyed them too.
There would have been no attack if those dumbassed gap tooted hicks had just done want they were told and picked Luther Strange establishment stamp of approval and all!
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So, what will a Senator Jones be like? He's gotta stand for election again shortly and he IS from a red state where it took an extremely fortuitous set of circumstances (nutty candidate with late-game smears, true or not) to pull off even a razor thin victory.
Seems likely he might stand with the (R)'s on a thing or two if he wants to prolong his political career?
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We still have 51 plus Pence. I don’t blame people for not voting for Moore. I would have had a hard time voting for him if I lived in Alabama
You don't go to war with the Army you want...You go to war with the Army you have....and like it or not, Moore was the Army we had. Trump understood that, even though I'm sure he didn't want to have to be put into the position of supporting Moore, but he was a good soldier.
Something Bitch McConnell never will understand.
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So, what will a Senator Jones be like? He's gotta stand for election again shortly and he IS from a red state where it took an extremely fortuitous set of circumstances (nutty candidate with late-game smears, true or not) to pull off even a razor thin victory.
Seems likely he might stand with the (R)'s on a thing or two if he wants to prolong his political career?
He's going to represent Hollywood, not Alabama.
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NY Times. The state site is woefully behind.
Only county left not reporting on SOS site is Madison (Huntsville)
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BULLSHIT.
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I think you meant horseshit.
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Should have picked our own damned cotton.
Wow Take that back to TOS where it came from
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The reality is that turnout was excellent across the state. I'm not sure who stayed home.
What got Jones over the line was the black vote, which has nothing to do with Moore, other than the smear ads by Jones calling him a racist.
I saw something a week ago or so about them registering black voters in Mississippi to vote in the Alabama election.
I would contest this election were I Moore. I think when the fraud is weeded out, he probably won. He needs to pull the same sort of legal challenge Franken did in Minnesota.
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What a circus a recount would be
I'm fairly certain there will be a recount. No matter who winds up winning.
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They are going to do this to every candidate from now on, troll up every word that they said, even if bald faced lies, out of context, or said 40 years ago. Moore has nothing to do with it.
They have their formula now.
Hopefully, the Republicans will have other candidates who are willing to fight back. Perhaps Moore should have asked, WWDTD?
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It's not a new formula.
No it's not, but they've upped it and given it a twist. Drag out a gaggle of women and scream racist is apparently all it takes. They can dredge this stuff out and people will believe it with near impunity it seems, because Americans want to feel so self-righteous today that they'll suck up any gutter gossip they hear as gospel truth.
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Just heard Jones' speech. Does this guy have an IQ over 10?
Of course not He is a baby killing liberal It goes with the territory
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What a circus a recount would be
More than what we have already had? I say bring it on. It is a proper conclusion to this farce.
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Wow Take that back to TOS where it came from
No I won't, not after that shameful poster that the Jones campaign put out.
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Really? He is the most cripple establishment loser we have had as VP since Algore.
I hope the Rats find out Mike is having an affair so we have proof he is not a robot or a martian.
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Perfect meme. :laugh:
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U.S. SENATE SPECIAL GENERAL ELECTION 2017 STATEWIDE RESULTS
Total Ballots Cast: 1,248,782 Total Registered Voters: 3,326,812 Voter Turnout: 37.54% Counties Reported: 67 of 67 Last Updated: 12/12/2017 10:05:55 PM
The election results presented on these pages are unofficial and presented as a courtesy of the Alabama Secretary of State and Alabama’s Probate Judges. The accuracy of the election results is the responsibility of the Probate Judge for each county reporting.
UNITED STATES SENATOR
Doug Jones (DEM) 49.68% 619,595
Roy S. Moore (REP) 48.63% 606,396
Write-In 1.69% 21,078
1,247,069
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The media smear didn't lose it for Moore. He did. NO Republican candidate should have lost this seat.
No, it was pretty much the media smears and the backstabbing by people in his own party.
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I'm fairly certain there will be a recount. No matter who winds up winning.
Name one recount a republican has won Even Bush was headed for a loss before the courts stopped the circus. The Democrats are masters at manufacturing votes in a recount
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The populist portion of the voter base will continue to nominate fringe candidates unable to win statewide election... but they won't blame themselves when Democrats take control again.
Remember this happening for Harry Reid? He was extremely vulnerable but the voters put up Sharon Angle instead...
The good news is the Democrats are as dysfunctional as we are, but they can certainly unite in opposition to Trump.
Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.
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No I won't, not after that shameful poster that the Jones campaign put out.
LOL. What poster was that where a blatantly racist response was deemed appropriate?
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Of course not He is a baby killing liberal It goes with the territory
He's exactly the kind of candidate the swamp loves! Keep your mouth shut, do what your told, collect your pay, and go home!
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No it's not, but they've upped it and given it a twist. Drag out a gaggle of women and scream racist is apparently all it takes. They can dredge this stuff out and people will believe it with near impunity it seems, because Americans want to feel so self-righteous today that they'll suck up any gutter gossip they hear as gospel truth.
This version of the formula peeled away our Mothers, Wives and Daughters. It's not going to get better until they come back.
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LOL. What poster was that where a blatantly racist response was deemed appropriate?
I guess you think we shouldn't have picked our own damn cotton then?
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LOL. What poster was that where a blatantly racist response was deemed appropriate?
What's racist about saying we never should have had slavery, anyway?
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He's exactly the kind of candidate the swamp loves! Keep your mouth shut, do what your told, collect your pay, and go home!
And they’ll be provided with a get out of jail free card for any misdeeds they commit
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No, it is still Moore's responsibility. He did a piss poor job of defending himself.
And I suppose if you had been accused of near rape and underage molestation 40 years ago, you would have had the perfect comeback?
I think such accusations amplified as they were by the media and Republican party officials who hated him anyway, no candidate could have dealt with easily. Those accusations were good for losing him 10% of his previous vote.
Moore may have a good chunk of the people swayed, but he sucks at politics.
He was doing just fine until the Republican knives came out.
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What a circus a recount would be
Why, because it might change the outcome. Remember the state was required to keep the digital copies of the vote due to a court decision a few days ago. For 6 months. Thus making a recount actually pretty easy.
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Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.
So you want the party to select the primary candidates in states so they can get the person they feel more comfortable with. That's mighty generous of you to look out for the rubes in those states.
BTW your DC pals also HATE other candidates than went on to the general along with your list. Let's see: Cruz, Paul, Lee. Time to get those wacko azzholes the hell out of politics and get these states back in line.
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No, it was pretty much the media smears and the backstabbing by people in his own party.
We were led to believe the voters in Alabama would not fall for those establishment and media shenanigans.
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I don't blame President Trump wholly for the loss of this solid Republican seat, I blame the GOP, the NRSC and Mitch, unfortunately Trump is the CEO of all of them.
*I sure hope Cruz ditches this CF of a party AFTER he wins his re election and goes Constitution or Federalist.
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Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.
Were they though? They said or did one wrong thing and were crucified, even if taken out of context, blown out of proportion, or outright lies. They had equal or far more nuttybar opponents who said or did equally stupid things that got a yawn.
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I guess you think we shouldn't have picked our own damn cotton then?
I don't give a shit who picks it. As long as it makes it to Brooks Brothers in time to get my summer suits and shirts made.
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Who said Moore lost. The fat lady didn’t sing yet
I would contest it even if Jones numbers end up beating out Moore. The Democrats always bring a lot of vote fraud and ineligible voters to the elections.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!
11:08 PM · Dec 12, 2017
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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We were led to believe the voters in Alabama would not fall for those establishment and media shenanigans.
But don't let that cover up the fact that the media and establishment has lost a lot of credibility, just not quite enough just yet. But the progress is there. That's the good news.
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I would contest it even if Jones numbers end up beating out Moore. The Democrats always bring a lot of vote fraud and ineligible voters to the elections.
And find even more during recounts
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Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.
And a bad candidate is anyone who refuses to kiss all the proper rings and get the stamp of approval!
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Moore also spent the last Saturday before the election watching the Army-Navy game.
He should have been out campaigning because obviously there must have still been two people in the state somewhere that hadn't already made up their mind.
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Great message from the President.
We all know Trump didn't want to have to support Moore. But he was the good soldier just the same.
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No, it was pretty much the media smears and the backstabbing by people in his own party.
The ones who need to be fired are the ones in the GOP who are vetting senate candidates.
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Only one candidate could have lost, and it was Moore. And that's who the voters put up.
There you go with that alien thinking again. Any candidate accused of such things would have been in serious trouble. Moore might actually have weathered the accusations better than others could have.
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I don't blame President Trump wholly for the loss of this solid Republican seat, I blame the GOP, the NRSC and Mitch, unfortunately Trump is the CEO of all of them.
*I sure hope Cruz ditches this CF of a party AFTER he wins his re election and goes Constitution or Federalist.
Sure hope so. A new party is sorely needed. The GOP can’t even support their own.
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Name one recount a republican has won Even Bush was headed for a loss before the courts stopped the circus. The Democrats are masters at manufacturing votes in a recount
Ah - the good old days when a pregnant chad wasn't some trans dude....
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We still have 51 plus Pence. I don’t blame people for not voting for Moore. I would have had a hard time voting for him if I lived in Alabama
I do blame them. You do not make things better by supporting the party of evil. We need all the Senate votes we can get to help pass Trump's agenda.
People aren't keeping their eye on the prize here.
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And a bad candidate is anyone who refuses to kiss all the proper rings and get the stamp of approval!
There's a lot of truth in that @Bigun But a bad candidate is also one who doesn't use every moment of his time campaigning, shaking hands --- especially when he's not the swamp's pick.
Moore let us all down with the way he ran his campaign.
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I do blame them. You do not make things better by supporting the party of evil. We need all the Senate votes we can get to help pass Trump's agenda.
People aren't keeping their eye on the prize here.
No they aren't. They would have sat out fighting WWII just because they hated FDR. We are AT WAR, Folks, whether you see it or not.
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There was a lot of backstabbing of Moore. But Moore had nothing to run on other than the Ten Commandments and our need to return to God.
Which is probably why he chose to watch the Army-Navy game on Saturday instead of campaigning.
Moore is now a three time loser in a statewide election in Alabama. Let's hope three times is the limit.
Oh he's done. But he didn't fall, he was pushed.
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I do blame them. You do not make things better by supporting the party of evil. We need all the Senate votes we can get to help pass Trump's agenda.
People aren't keeping their eye on the prize here.
Not voting for a candidate is not the same as supporting the other candidate. Sometimes the end does not justify the means. Everyone reaches a point eventually where the lesser of two evils is still
Evil
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We still have 51 plus Pence.
True but the 51 includes McCain, Murkowski, Flake, and Collins.
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It's not a new formula.
Our side has been falling for that formula for a long time.
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There you go with that alien thinking again. Any candidate accused of such things would have been in serious trouble. Moore might actually have weathered the accusations better than others could have.
Agree to disagree. IMO, Moore was the most vulnerable to any sort of accusations. Trump had the right instincts on this.
Note: I would have pulled the lever for Moore if I were a resident, but not in the primaries.
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Our side has been falling for that formula for a long time.
Yup. And I know who I'm going to be looking at if this matter with Moore gets dropped, now that he lost. It will be the proof it was just a ruse, and people I thought would know better bit on it. Let's see what happens now.
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Name one recount a republican has won Even Bush was headed for a loss before the courts stopped the circus. The Democrats are masters at manufacturing votes in a recount
No, that's incorrect. I've read countless analysis of the recount in Florida, and in every single one of them Bush was going to win it.
But yes, the Democrats usually manage to steal it in close elections, but i'm thinking Alabama might not work out like that.
Besides, there is nothing to lose from trying.
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Good Tweet, my anticipation is over.
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No, that's incorrect. I've read countless analysis of the recount in Florida, and in every single one of them Bush was going to win it.
But yes, the Democrats usually manage to steal it in close elections, but i'm thinking Alabama might not work out like that.
Besides, there is nothing to lose from trying.
Yes, analysis after the 2000 election showed Bush would have, in fact, gained votes in the recounts.
Moore should challenge, but don't think it will change the outcome.
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Yup. And I know who I'm going to be looking at if this matter with Moore gets dropped, now that he lost. It will be the proof it was just a ruse, and people I thought would know better bit on it. Let's see what happens now.
We damned well already know who to look at but what good is it? What are you going to do to stop their doing it over and over again?
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Yup. And I know who I'm going to be looking at if this matter with Moore gets dropped, now that he lost. It will be the proof it was just a ruse, and people I thought would know better bit on it. Let's see what happens now.
I’m not sure where it could go. The statute of limitations is long past for any legal action. The only court this could be tried in is that of public opinion. Moore could sue for slander but it would be very expensive, very hard to prove, and would open him up to discovery. I bet after some huffing and puffing he drops it.
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Final tally:
Doug Jones Democrat 671,151 49.9%
Roy Moore Republican 650,436 48.4
Total Write-Ins — 22,819 1.7
100% reporting (2,220 of 2,220 precincts)
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Good Tweet, my anticipation is over.
Does that mean you are going away now so everyone can enjoy their night poll boy?
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Yes, analysis after the 2000 election showed Bush would have, in fact, gained votes in the recounts.
Moore should challenge, but don't think it will change the outcome.
The thing about the 2000 recount analysis is it was flawed. If the recounts would have continued, the Democrats would have had the chance to manufacture more Gore votes, or throw out more Bush votes. That was not taken into account by the press that did the final recount to which you refer.
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Moore should challenge, but don't think it will change the outcome
It may be automatic, depending on state law and the final margin percentage, anyway.
Looks like the final margin was 20,715 votes and there were 22,819 write-ins.
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama-senate-special-election-roy-moore-doug-jones#eln-forecast-section (https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama-senate-special-election-roy-moore-doug-jones#eln-forecast-section)
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Final tally:
Doug Jones Democrat 671,151 49.9%
Roy Moore Republican 650,436 48.4
Total Write-Ins — 22,819 1.7
100% reporting (2,220 of 2,220 precincts)
I understand the winner of the write in campaign was none other than Harold Stassen.
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Final tally:
Doug Jones Democrat 671,151 49.9%
Roy Moore Republican 650,436 48.4
Total Write-Ins — 22,819 1.7
100% reporting (2,220 of 2,220 precincts)
Anyone know how the write-in count compares to previous US Senate elections in the state?
Also, I believe the margin is close enough to trigger an automatic recount? Though 21K votes seems too large a margin to overcome.
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Yes, analysis after the 2000 election showed Bush would have, in fact, gained votes in the recounts.
Moore should challenge, but don't think it will change the outcome.
Bush did in fact win but with every recount the dems got closer. I have no doubt had the process been allowed to continue they would have found a way to manufacture what they needed to win. Sure recount this if you want but unless the republicans grow a spine and are willing to call fraud where it exists, it will go nowhere.
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Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.
Any candidate which does not have the blessing of the "establishment" gets the media sicced on them. It is the media attack which turns them into bad candidates.
Sometimes it is the Republican party attack that turns them into "bad" candidates.
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The thing about the 2000 recount analysis is it was flawed. If the recounts would have continued, the Democrats would have had the chance to manufacture more Gore votes, or throw out more Bush votes. That was not taken into account by the press that did the final recount to which you refer.
*shrug* either way, the outcome was the correct/just one.
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WTF!
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The thing about the 2000 recount analysis is it was flawed. If the recounts would have continued, the Democrats would have had the chance to manufacture more Gore votes, or throw out more Bush votes. That was not taken into account by the press that did the final recount to which you refer.
Remember the last senatorial recount brew-haha? Happened to be a MN senator who was supposed to already resign for sh__ more heinous than Moore's escapades.
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I’m not sure where it could go. The statute of limitations is long past for any legal action. The only court this could be tried in is that of public opinion. Moore could sue for slander but it would be very expensive, very hard to prove, and would open him up to discovery. I bet after some huffing and puffing he drops it.
My understanding is there is no statute of limitations in AL for sex with a minor under 16, and the offender is over 18. This could very much be a live legal issue, and it will be telling if it's allowed to drop.
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It may be automatic, depending on state law and the final margin percentage, anyway.
Looks like the final margin was 20,715 votes and there were 22,819 write-ins.
Wow. Talk about the party of stupid. **nononono*
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We were led to believe the voters in Alabama would not fall for those establishment and media shenanigans.
Rah Rah cheerleading spin. The accusations had a serious effect, but no one was going to express anything but confidence going into this thing. Looking dejected would have cost further losses of votes.
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Sorry. I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.
We agree on almost everything else, so I hope that's OK with you.
The media smear didn't lose it for Moore. He did. NO Republican candidate should have lost this seat.
We're going to disagree. The media smear had the NRSC pull support from Moore. That means money that should have been available to the candidate was not forthcoming. At that point, Moore wasn't a candidate to the GOPe. They got what they want. Absolution from blame and pulled defeat from the jaws of victory. Now they have an excuse to not accomplish anything, and for the Trump fans out there, he will be hobbled by the Congress, and they will be perfectly fine with that, as a rule. The Uniparty has been preserved, and the lagoon is deeper than ever in the swamp at Foggy Bottoms.
I do not believe the accusers: they have no credibility with me--not after 40 years. Not after the allegations of illegal behaviour were shown to be deeply flawed from details that did not match historical information to altering an autograph, the 'case' was crap. Only the endless and inflammatory repetition by the media kept that narrative alive, long after it should have been soundly discredited by anything "Fair" or "balanced".
All the breaking stories of long-entrenched and continuous sexual misconduct on the part of liberals and Hollywood types just set the stage and whetted the crowd's appetite for a hanging. No serious repercussions will result for any of them, only Moore. You watch.
So, cui bono? Al Franken won't resign (Suckers!), and John Conyers will pass the torch to the next Democrat in his district, likely a relative. And the GOP will take a hit. Conservatives will be further marginalized, which is just fine with all in Congress.
The Republican Party loses. After McConnell's abandonment of Moore--and his obvious haste to do so, with the attitude that better to lose the seat than to have the candidate the voters of Alabama picked, the GOP may continue to lose ground. After all they have demonstrated the only way they will have a Conservative's back is to stick the knife in. The write-in vote could have made a difference.
Christianity has been smeared as hard as Roy Moore, so Christians lose--and may not see another candidate for either party in our lifetimes (not that a Christian Democrat is a likely phenomenon).
And the Media and the Dems have the sure fire method of taking out anyone with no more proof than I have that the Moon is made of green cheese.
But yes, behind every pejorative phrase and distortion of historical context, there is a media maven, likely groping or being groped, if they aren't just 'hooking up', and too many people let them do their thinking for them. The rabid campaign by the media gets some of the credit, and the rest goes to people who believed them.
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Jones just picked up a challenger for the next election coming up.....
(http://www.thedailyinternet.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/GOP-Dropping-Roy-Moore-for-Subways-Jared-Fogle-in-AL-Race-1024x576.png)
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*shrug* either way, the outcome was the correct/just one.
Yes, but it took an act of the SCOTUS to make it so. Left alone for as long as the Dems wanted, history would be much different.
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Does that mean you are going away now so everyone can enjoy their night poll boy?
I can't go away @Frank Cannon I'm gonna take my teeth out and bite @Right_in_Virginia (she is a woman, right?)
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Were they though? They said or did one wrong thing and were crucified, even if taken out of context, blown out of proportion, or outright lies. They had equal or far more nuttybar opponents who said or did equally stupid things that got a yawn.
I do not know why other people cannot see what I see clearly. The "media" is a weapon they use against our people whenever they need to manipulate an election.
I keep telling people we need to destroy the Liberal monopoly of the airwaves, and until we do, easy wins will turn into loses.
Had the media treated Obama like a Republican, he would have been toast.
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The ones who need to be fired are the ones in the GOP who aren't vetting senate candidates.
Fixed. ;)
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My understanding is there is no statute of limitations in AL for sex with a minor under 16, and the offender is over 18. This could very much be a live legal issue, and it will be telling if it's allowed to drop.
You have more knowledge of the legal code in Alabama than I do. Will see what happens but i doubt either side takes legal action. Proving or disproving a 40 year old case is nigh on impossible. And even if the allegations are true the women who brought them were opportunists for waiting this long then successfully trying to throw an election. Neither side looks very good on this one
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WTF!
(http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embed-lg/public/2017/04/21/jeff-sessions.jpg)
Did anyone wake Sessions from his slumber to tell him the news?
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And find even more during recounts
I think that is less likely to happen in Alabama than it is in Minnesota.
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I can't go away @Frank Cannon I'm gonna take my teeth out and bite @Right_in_Virginia (she is a woman, right?)
Keep posting shit like that and you will never get elected to Senate, even in Alabama.
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Remember the last senatorial recount brew-haha? Happened to be a MN senator who was supposed to already resign for sh__ more heinous than Moore's escapades.
He isn't going anywhere. No resignation will be forthcoming. Anyone who thought so is a sucker. It was all part of the show, warming up the witch hunt. Just the opening act to prime the crowd for the main event. The whole sh*tstorm will settle down now, (except perhaps the Trump stuff), because the show is over, and when the dust settles, none of the 'outed' will suffer a second longer than they want to.
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My understanding is there is no statute of limitations in AL for sex with a minor under 16, and the offender is over 18. This could very much be a live legal issue, and it will be telling if it's allowed to drop.
Let's see if Moore and his phone book attorney sue. I kind of doubt it.
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WTF!
(http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embed-lg/public/2017/04/21/jeff-sessions.jpg)
Now that one is free to pursue Asset Forfeiture and busting pot farmers to his heart's content.
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I do not know why other people cannot see what I see clearly. The "media" is a weapon they use against our people whenever they need to manipulate an election.
I keep telling people we need to destroy the Liberal monopoly of the airwaves, and until we do, easy wins will turn into loses.
Had the media treated Obama like a Republican, he would have been toast.
With things shifting more and more to the internet, I think the conservative media has as great opportunity to do that. But they are still to scattered and disorganized to pull it off.
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Let's see if Moore and his phone book attorney sue. I kind of doubt it.
Well, no, that would be silly...prosecuting himself. I'm referring to a Prosecutor who should be looking at Moore for statutory rape, if we are to believe the brickbats thrown at Moore in this election.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333)
Moore not conceding yet.
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Well, no, that would be silly...prosecuting himself. I'm referring to a Prosecutor who should be looking at Moore for statutory rape, if we are to believe the brickbats thrown at Moore in this election.
*****rollingeyes*****
Not on the basis of that "evidence".
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Is Moore going to concede, or is he waiting to be raptured up first?
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Well, no, that would be silly...prosecuting himself. I'm referring to a Prosecutor who should be looking at Moore for statutory rape, if we are to believe the brickbats thrown at Moore in this election.
... might have meant bringing some civil / libel action against his accusers?
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Not voting for a candidate is not the same as supporting the other candidate.
I completely disagree. Elections are binary choices. You will get one, or you will get the other. If you have a stake in the outcome, you need to choose.
Sometimes the end does not justify the means.
The "means" is voting. The "end" is whatever side you have a stake in.
Everyone reaches a point eventually where the lesser of two evils is still
Evil
The fire is not an improvement over the frying pan. Unless it is a strategy calculated to bring on a collapse, only a fool would chose to make things even worse.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333)
Moore not conceding yet.
Good. Hearing the same.
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Is Moore going to concede, or is he waiting to be raptured up first?
What's the rush? If he concedes and then finds out there was an error counting votes, the concession stands anyway. Give them time to check the results over.
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I can't go away @Frank Cannon I'm gonna take my teeth out and bite @Right_in_Virginia (she is a woman, right?)
I'm imagining something like this happening.
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/d0kjJ.jpg)
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Well, no, that would be silly...prosecuting himself. I'm referring to a Prosecutor who should be looking at Moore for statutory rape, if we are to believe the brickbats thrown at Moore in this election.
Oh, I know you meant that. I was referring to the fact they were claiming defamation.
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Note: I would have pulled the lever for Moore if I were a resident, but not in the primaries.
This part I can at least comprehend.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333)
Moore not conceding yet.
He's too busy beating Sassy.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333)
Moore not conceding yet.
Awesome!!!!!! We can have a couple weeks more of Roy Moore posts here at TBR!!!!! I can't effing wait!!!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/iYwAx2h.png)
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I completely disagree. Elections are binary choices. You will get one, or you will get the other. If you have a stake in the outcome, you need to choose.
The "means" is voting. The "end" is whatever side you have a stake in.
The fire is not an improvement over the frying pan. Unless it is a strategy calculated to bring on a collapse, only a fool would chose to make things even worse.
We agree to disagree not voting for one bad choice does not mean you support the other. Sometimes neither side is worthy of support.
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Is Moore going to concede, or is he waiting to be raptured up first?
88devil
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*****rollingeyes*****
Not on the basis of that "evidence".
Nope. Which means all the caterwauling about his being a child molester was just a bunch of bullshit, and the people on our side who kept repeating it just played into the enemies' hands.
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This part I can at least comprehend.
The worst Republican is still better than any Democrat.
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Wow. Talk about the party of stupid. **nononono*
And now who threw the election?
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Keep posting shit like that and you will never get elected to Senate, even in Alabama.
In the land of the toothless, the one-toothed man is king.
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Keep posting shit like that and you will never get elected to Senate, even in Alabama.
I turned down running for a City Council member in my small Texas town cause I can't seem to keep my skeletons in the closet, particularly those that are posted on the County Jail Database with my Mugshot.
I'm OK with that but that woman in Virginia might not let me BITE HER if she discovers I've been arrested (on more than one occasion in different counties) and no, I don't have a problem with authority it just seems to be a major inconvenience, at times.
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The worst Republican is still better than any Democrat.
100% agree on that.
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Oh, I know you meant that. I was referring to the fact they were claiming defamation.
That would be silly too. A complete and utter wast of time and money. I'd spend some time laughing at that, too.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-wont-concede-alabama-contest-floats-possible-recount/article/2643333)
Moore not conceding yet.
I wouldn't either. It's one of the reasons I liked Moore. He always fight back. Always.
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[N]ot voting for one bad choice does not mean you support the other. Sometimes neither side is worthy of support.
@Mom MD
More than sometimes, I fear.
And to think there was a time when races for seats on Capitol Hill pitted men like James Madison against
men like James Monroe.
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We agree to disagree not voting for one bad choice does not mean you support the other. Sometimes neither side is worthy of support.
But reality dictates you are going to get one of them.
The notion that they are on the razor thin edge of equal is nonsensical to me.
It reminds me of what one of my friends told his sister after she informed him that she had found her "soul mate."
"Five billion people on the planet, and the one meant for you just happens to live a mile away. What are the odds of that? "
Equally bad? What are the odds of that?
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I wouldn't either. It's one of the reasons I liked Moore. He always fight back. Always.
Looking forward to his 'purple suit' speech from the steps of the local high school.
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Nope. Which means all the caterwauling about his being a child molester was just a bunch of bullshit, and the people on our side who kept repeating it just played into the enemies' hands.
That is exactly what I have been thinking, and we keep doing it. We've done this same sort of crap with countless candidates. Remember George Allen in Virginia? Or Trent Lott? Or Tom DeLay?
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The worst Republican is still better than any Democrat.
In this case I would regard it as a no-brainer, because this guy would have opposed the Washington establishment.
Some of our guys who are part of it are Democrats in Republican clothing and they need to go.
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The worst Republican is still better than any Democrat.
Except when it's Romney - then most are giddy he lost. :shrug:
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Except when it's Romney - then most are giddy he lost. :shrug:
Heck I still even voted for McCain and Romney. Didn't like it. But I did my duty.
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Looking forward to his 'purple suit' speech from the steps of the local high school.
I do not understand your seeming need to inject a sort of mean spirited levity into most of your commentary.
It is the repetition of such accusations that has caused so much damage to this attempt to steer the nation in a better direction.
You should watch the movie "Ridicule."
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Except when it's Romney - then most are giddy he lost. :shrug:
I voted for Romney and I would have preferred him over Obama. My consolation for supporting someone I considered to be a Liberal Republican was the belief that he could improve things fiscally.
But I would have much preferred someone else.
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Not voting for a candidate is not the same as supporting the other candidate. Sometimes the end does not justify the means. Everyone reaches a point eventually where the lesser of two evils is still
Evil
Yeah, well just comfort yourself with that thought when a Democrat-controlled Senate shitcans Trump's next SCOTUS pick.
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And to think there was a time when races for seats on Capitol Hill pitted men like James Madison against
men like James Monroe.
Right. The sunny old days when men of class and distinction almost beat to death a Senate college in the well of their hallowed halls.
(https://foreignpolicymag.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/southern_chivalry.jpg?w=565&h=370&crop=0,0,10,0)
You ever bother to crack a history book open or you just like blowing Pollyanna sunshine up peoples asses?
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Heck I still even voted for McCain and Romney. Didn't like it. But I did my duty.
This is what grown-ups do.
They don't whine about the choices they would have preferred, they take the choices which have been thrust upon them, and they do their duty.
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That is exactly what I have been thinking, and we keep doing it. We've done this same sort of crap with countless candidates. Remember George Allen in Virginia? Or Trent Lott? Or Tom DeLay?
It's like people keep forgetting after it happens again and again. The Dems have taken it to a whole new level this time. They smell blood in the water now.
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I voted for Romney and I would have preferred him over Obama. My consolation for supporting someone I considered to be a Liberal Republican was the belief that he could improve things fiscally.
But I would have much preferred someone else.
Ivanka will run in 2024 and you will vote for her, perhaps, cause she's better than Cory Booker?
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Right. The sunny old days when men of class and distinction almost beat to death a Senate college in the well of their hallowed halls.
I read what Charles Sumner said about him. Charles Sumner deserved that beating. Maybe not quite as hard as he received, but he certainly earned a good beat down.
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I do not understand your seeming need to inject a sort of mean spirited levity into most of your commentary.
Moore makes it kind of easy.
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Look at all of those Senators that pulled their support from Moore and now, the next election for that seat I gather will be November of 2020.
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You ever bother to crack a history book open or you just like blowing Pollyanna sunshine up peoples asses?
My most recently-read history book: Founding Rivals: Madison vs. Monroe, The Bill of Rights, and The Election that Saved a Nation (https://www.amazon.com/Founding-Rivals-Madison-Monroe-Election/dp/159698192X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1513142903&sr=1-1&keywords=James+Madison+vs.+James+Monroe)
What'll they write about the Alabama Senate election, I wonder. Moore vs. Jones: The Election that Sickened a Nation?
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Moore makes it kind of easy.
Well, enjoy Senator Jones. I'm sure he'll be a barrel-full of laughs.
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Ivanka will run in 2024 and you will vote for her, perhaps, cause she's better than Cory Booker?
If that is the choice presented to me between now and 2024, what I will do will depend a lot upon what these two do in the meantime.
I very much doubt Ivanka Trump will be on the ballot in 2024, and I'm pretty sure Cory Booker won't either.
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And I suppose if you had been accused of near rape and underage molestation 40 years ago, you would have had the perfect comeback?
Perfect comeback? No. But I definitely would have made myself accessible to the voters and the press instead of hiding myself for months after botching a Sean Hannity interview.
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Moore makes it kind of easy.
I'm getting the impression you didn't like him before the accusations, and I am utterly shocked, shocked I tell you! That someone who didn't like him anyways, is more prone to mocking him.
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I read what Charles Sumner said about him. Charles Sumner deserved that beating. Maybe not quite as hard as he received, but he certainly earned a good beat down.
I hear ya brother. Talking poorly about folks partaking in a lynching is a bit too much for the civilized Senate. They should have killed the son of a bitch......right?
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Moore not conceding yet.
Nor will he.
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I wouldn't either. It's one of the reasons I liked Moore. He always fight back. Always.
I believe you are confusing 'stubbornness' with 'fighting back'. Definitely would like to have seen a fighter in this race.
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About 3 campaign appearances in the last 2 weeks, whatever it was by Moore, not many.
And people ragged about McConnell, but as said, a number of Senators bailed on him.
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What'll they write about the Alabama Senate election, I wonder. Moore vs. Jones: The Election that Sickened a Nation?
The same thing they wrote about the contest between Roscoe Conkling and Charles Wheaton in the 1872 NY Senate battle......not a damn thing because no one will care. Barely anyone other than the MSM and DC pimps cared about this election to begin with.
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Well, enjoy Senator Jones. I'm sure he'll be a barrel-full of laughs.
I'll the beat down he receives in 2020 after a well vetted and funded candidate emerges between now and then. Jones had two advantages - lower turnout and a cartoonish opponent.
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Perfect comeback? No. But I definitely would have made myself accessible to the voters and the press instead of hiding myself for months after botching a Sean Hannity interview.
I think the problem Moore faced when he went into that interview is that people had already characterized the dating of teenage women to be the equivalent of molesting a 14 year old. I heard it in the opinions being expressed at the time.
The claims that he dated teenagers was lumped together with this accusation he molested a 14 year old girl. People were making it sound as if you admitted to the one, you were admitting to all of it.
The problem was, Moore did date teenage girls when he was in his thirties, but in the media circus with which he was confronted, it would have hurt him to say so.
He just didn't think it through. Yes, it would have hurt him to admit to dating teenagers when he was in his thirties, but he could have said, "Yes, I absolutely dated teenagers back then, but I did not molest this one who is accusing me."
Moore got a raw deal by the way the debate was framed when he went into that interview with Hannity. He shouldn't have evaded or talked sideways, he should have owned up to this unpopular activity, and vehemently denied the rest.
But who has such presence of mind? Had I been accused of molesting someone, I would have probably been shell shocked and unable to say anything sensible.
It's easy to condemn when we don't have to go through such upheavals ourselves.
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I'll the beat down he receives in 2020 after a well vetted and funded candidate emerges between now and then. Jones had two advantages - lower turnout and a cartoonish opponent.
Ooooh so maybe then then the Rats will only have 60 Senators.
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@DiogenesLamp I truly respect your opinion on most all things here, but even you must admit this 'lessor of two evils' $hit is way out of hand.
It's way past time to consider a 'robust' third party option, if the opportunity arises in 2020.
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The same thing they wrote about the contest between Roscoe Conkling and Charles Wheaton in the 1872 NY Senate battle......not a damn thing because no one will care.
Unless you figure that Conkling was the last known individual to reject a nomination to the Supreme
Court---Ulysses Grant wanted Conkling to become Chief Justice, after Conkling defeated Wheaton and won
re-election to the Senate (it was Conkling's first re-election try), but Conkling turned him down, having
just been sworn back into the Senate and preferring to stay there.
Or, that---what do you know---Conkling himself was accused of philandering, with the wife of fellow Senator
and former Rhode Island governor William Sprague IV; Sprague was said to have confronted Conkling with
a shotgun over it.
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I'm getting the impression you didn't like him before the accusations, and I am utterly shocked, shocked I tell you! That someone who didn't like him anyways, is more prone to mocking him.
Actually, I had barely heard of him. I recalled the Ten Commandments ordeal, but never really gave it much thought. After he beat Strange in the primary, I figured he must really be something, because Strange had never presented himself as an opponent of Trump's agenda through his votes.
Turned out to be something, alright.
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Ooooh so maybe then then the Rats will only have 60 Senators.
Then, 'ooooh,' that would be the case with or without Moore. If they lose 11 Senate seats between now and 2020, it's not going to be over Roy.
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I hear ya brother. Talking poorly about folks partaking in a lynching is a bit too much for the civilized Senate. They should have killed the son of a bitch......right?
You glossed right over that part where Sumner accused Butler of having sex with a mistress. Specifically a black mistress.
Even Stephen Douglas said "that D@mned fool is going to get himself killed" when Sumner was making that speech, which incidentally went on for two days, and during which he mocked Butler's chivalry and family among the other things he said.
But yeah, you go ahead and try to make it sound like Sumner was doing something virtuous when he was smearing that old man as a reprobate.
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@DiogenesLamp I truly respect your opinion on most all things here, but even you must admit this 'lessor of two evils' $hit is way out of hand.
It's way past time to consider a 'robust' third party option, if the opportunity arises in 2020.
Would love a third party. Wasn't the Tea Party supposed to turn into one? What happened to it? Was it not the Washington Establishment and big money donors who like things as they are, the ones who took a hand in wrecking it?
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Would love a third party. Wasn't the Tea Party supposed to turn into one? What happened to it? Was it not the Washington Establishment and big money donors who like things as they are, the ones who took a hand in wrecking it?
A third party gets us a Democratic Party Dictatorship. And believe me, they will setup a Dictatorship if they get the chance to.
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Actually, I had barely heard of him. I recalled the Ten Commandments ordeal, but never really gave it much thought. After he beat Strange in the primary, I figured he must really be something, because Strange had never presented himself as an opponent of Trump's agenda through his votes.
Turned out to be something, alright.
I heard quite a lot about Luther Strange from a lot of people who claimed to be from Alabama.
People think Strange would have been the better candidate, so let me tell you what would have came out about Strange.
He would have been accused of colluding with the Governor of Alabama to shut down an investigation into illegal activities involving the Governor. It was widely believed that he was appointed by the Governor to the open Senate seat as a quid pro quo to get him to stop the investigation.
Strange would have been accused of corruption, six ways to Sunday. At least that is the story I got from several people who claim to know Alabama politics.
The media would have amplified this story and all the Usual suspects of Republicans would have ran away from him, and wrote checks to Doug Jones.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-02-09/luther-strange-senate-appointment-dismays-some-alabama-republicans (https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-02-09/luther-strange-senate-appointment-dismays-some-alabama-republicans)
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Then, 'ooooh,' that would be the case with or without Moore. If they lose 11 Senate seats between now and 2020, it's not going to be over Roy.
It just might be. So far as i'm concerned, they are a bunch of backstabbing cowards, and perhaps enough of the electorate feels the same way as I do, sufficient that it can swing an election.
Elections are often won on thin margins in the middle. A small swing can sometimes totally change the outcome.
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A third party gets us a Democratic Party Dictatorship. And believe me, they will setup a Dictatorship if they get the chance to.
They came D@mn close to it with Obama.
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They came D@mn close to it with Obama.
And the Demographics are only getting more in their favor with each passing day.
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But yeah, you go ahead and try to make it sound like Sumner was doing something virtuous when he was smearing that old man as a reprobate.
LOL. He was a reprobate. He fully supported slavery and argued that if Kansas was let into the union as a free state, peoples property values would decline. The property he spoke of was people. He also had an issue with whites having sex with animals. The animals he was speaking of were, yup, you guessed it....people.
Brooks should have had a lit pipe bomb shoved up his ass by a few Mandingo looking fellows and paraded around the streets of DC until his candle went off.
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Unless you figure that Conkling was the last known individual to reject a nomination to the Supreme
Court---Ulysses Grant wanted Conkling to become Chief Justice, after Conkling defeated Wheaton and won
re-election to the Senate (it was Conkling's first re-election try), but Conkling turned him down, having
just been sworn back into the Senate and preferring to stay there.
Or, that---what do you know---Conkling himself was accused of philandering, with the wife of fellow Senator
and former Rhode Island governor William Sprague IV; Sprague was said to have confronted Conkling with
a shotgun over it.
LOL. Yeah. That's a hot button topic of discussion........nowhere.
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LOL. He was a reprobate. He fully supported slavery and argued that if Kansas was let into the union as a free state, peoples property values would decline. The property he spoke of was people. He also had an issue with whites having sex with animals. The animals he was speaking of were, yup, you guessed it....people.
Here we go again with forcing everything to be looked at through the modern view of slavery instead of the zeitgeist that existed at the time.
You may have missed it, but Slavery was a normal part of the USA back in those days, as it had been for four score and seven years, and it would have continued in the Union indefinitely had the South remained in the Union. (Well, at least until 1896.)
People can have a disagreement on some issue of public policy without being derogatory to a specific individual who holds an opposite opinion. It was the nasty insults and mockery leveled at Butler for which Sumner was beaten.
You are being disingenuous when you are attempt to paint this as a larger issue than deliberately insulting someone in a manner that was considered "fighting words" at the time.
Brooks should have had a lit pipe bomb shoved up his ass by a few Mandingo looking fellows and paraded around the streets of DC until his candle went off.
Well that didn't happen, but Sumner did get a very deserved beating, though I think Brooks went too far.
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Nope. Which means all the caterwauling about his being a child molester was just a bunch of bullshit, and the people on our side who kept repeating it just played into the enemies' hands.
They didn't play into the enemy's hands, they joined them. >SPIT!<
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I think the problem Moore faced when he went into that interview is that people had already characterized the dating of teenage women to be the equivalent of molesting a 14 year old. I heard it in the opinions being expressed at the time.
The claims that he dated teenagers was lumped together with this accusation he molested a 14 year old girl. People were making it sound as if you admitted to the one, you were admitting to all of it.
The problem was, Moore did date teenage girls when he was in his thirties, but in the media circus with which he was confronted, it would have hurt him to say so.
He just didn't think it through. Yes, it would have hurt him to admit to dating teenagers when he was in his thirties, but he could have said, "Yes, I absolutely dated teenagers back then, but I did not molest this one who is accusing me."
Moore got a raw deal by the way the debate was framed when he went into that interview with Hannity. He shouldn't have evaded or talked sideways, he should have owned up to this unpopular activity, and vehemently denied the rest.
But who has such presence of mind? Had I been accused of molesting someone, I would have probably been shell shocked and unable to say anything sensible.
It's easy to condemn when we don't have to go through such upheavals ourselves.
Hannity went on the attack, and I don't think Moore expected such hostility. Hillary never got nailed like Hannity went after Moore, not in any interview. Hannity is a GOPe tool.
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About 3 campaign appearances in the last 2 weeks, whatever it was by Moore, not many.
And people ragged about McConnell, but as said, a number of Senators bailed on him.
Mitch led the charge almost as soon as the allegations surfaced--which tells me he was happy to. He wanted Strange, and thought somehow attacking Moore would give him that.
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GOP better brace for losing Congress in 2018 I think. This isn't good.
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GOP better brace for losing Congress in 2018 I think. This isn't good.
Mitch and Ryan will be happy. All the perks....None of the responsibility.
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Mitch and Ryan will be happy. All the perks....None of the responsibility.
There's a lot of blame to go around, frankly. Don't pin it all on the GOPe boogeyman.
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Moore makes it kind of easy.
@edpc , you and the rest of the RINOs here joined democrats openly trashing Roy. While congress and democrats outspent something in the neighborhood of 12 to 1 against him. Posters here spreading baseless horrible rumors against him for how many months now with no proof whatsoever? Truth, who needs that? I get the feeling the site manager here got pinged to post article after article that did nothing but spread the lies after someone got tired of doing it. There was few in Roy's corner except oddly enough Breitbart (who turned on Cruz) and a few outlier online news sites and the dyehard of us in Alabama. Trump hid from supporting Moore because his wee feelings got hurt over Strange's loss. Even Cruz disappointed. The Senate leadership never did help, they certainly didn't want Moore's views contrary to their own.
Mo Brooks I was actually proud of... (he was the one I said I could of voted for if Moore lost). There was so much that could of been pointed out in Moore's defense that just got laughed at here at TBR. I would try to point out things like how the black lady police officer's FB page showed she was radical. No response from most here or a flimpant remark discarding what I said and carefully researched. Nobody cared, Roy was just a Christian nut. Make a few more jokes at his expense.
What it shows me is that if the GOP has such disdain for Christian voters it hurts. There is no need for me to vote R anymore. Why vote, they are 99% of the time just going to mock us. I am actually glad I didn't vote for McCain or Romney. They were two of the chief mockers of Moore. Get spit at enough, you learn to stop empowering the phlegm flingers.
Let the GOP go on without me, they no longer care for my vote. They and you will get the world you so deserve, but it will not be one worth envisioning.
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All Steve Bannon does is lose winnable elections and get fired from jobs. Can we finally ditch the myth of him as some sage wizard?
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It would have helped if Moore hadn't shown himself to be an opponent of the Constitution, too.
"No religious test? Who cares...prophet Roy's interpretation of the Bible trumps that worthless rag!"
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Roy Moore and a buddy are talking. Moore says “I’m Jesus Christ.â€
His buddy cocked an eye at him and says, “You’re crazy!â€
“I can prove it,†Moore says. His buddy says, “Okay, I’ll bite, prove it.â€
Moore takes him into a bar, bartender says, “Jesus Christ, are you back again?!â€
lol :silly:
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OAN predicting Moore? http://www.oann.com/roy-moore-wins-alabama-senate-seat/ (http://www.oann.com/roy-moore-wins-alabama-senate-seat/) Be cautious I guess.... when someone reports such.
One American News Now.
OANN nailed it first. :silly:
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What are you talking about? We won't know who trump backed until the final count is in.
I love it! :silly:
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@edpc , you and the rest of the RINOs here joined democrats openly trashing Roy. While congress and democrats outspent something in the neighborhood of 12 to 1 against him. Posters here spreading baseless horrible rumors against him for how many months now with no proof whatsoever? Truth, who needs that? I get the feeling the site manager here got pinged to post article after article that did nothing but spread the lies after someone got tired of doing it. There was few in Roy's corner except oddly enough Breitbart (who turned on Cruz) and a few outlier online news sites and the dyehard of us in Alabama. Trump hid from supporting Moore because his wee feelings got hurt over Strange's loss. Even Cruz disappointed. The Senate leadership never did help, they certainly didn't want Moore's views contrary to their own.
Mo Brooks I was actually proud of... (he was the one I said I could of voted for if Moore lost). There was so much that could of been pointed out in Moore's defense that just got laughed at here at TBR. I would try to point out things like how the black lady police officer's FB page showed she was radical. No response from most here or a flimpant remark discarding what I said and carefully researched. Nobody cared, Roy was just a Christian nut. Make a few more jokes at his expense.
What it shows me is that if the GOP has such disdain for Christian voters it hurts. There is no need for me to vote R anymore. Why vote, they are 99% of the time just going to mock us. I am actually glad I didn't vote for McCain or Romney. They were two of the chief mockers of Moore. Get spit at enough, you learn to stop empowering the phlegm flingers.
Let the GOP go on without me, they no longer care for my vote. They and you will get the world you so deserve, but it will not be one worth envisioning.
Yeah - those of us that ridiculed Moore are the most powerful satirists since Swift and Pope. *****rollingeyes*****
You can find me on a couple threads about that cop, mocking her. You can blame me for his loss if it makes you feel better, but I'm not a registered AL voter. Not my fault half the people who voted in 2016 stayed home for this one in a state where Trump stomped Clinton by nearly 28 points. There was no 30 point freefall for Roy because of anyone on TBR. Where the money is concerned, Dems threw a lot of it at the special elections where seats were to be filled after Trump appointments. They're 1-4 in that endeavor.
Moore was the problem, not anyone or anything else you previously mentioned. Take the sighin' and cryin' to him.
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At this point, if every write-in vote had gone for Moore (write-ins being in the 21,000 vote range), Moore would have won. It's close. Also, I heard a 25% voter turnout at one juncture, now I'm hearing 40%.
I lost the article but the stuff with Moore, being removed twice from the State Supreme Court, other comments, had the author questioning Roy Moore to begin with, forget the other.
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America dodged a bullet in Alabama last night.
A man who was twice removed from his state’s Supreme Court for defying judicial orders, who said Muslims should not be allowed to serve in elective office, who suggested the black family was better off under slavery, and who declared that homosexuality should be illegal — this man will not be in the United States Senate. Thank God.
https://nypost.com/2017/12/13/roy-moore-needed-to-lose-but-what-does-it-mean-for-2018/
Just posting, some of us were a bit uneasy from the get go, forget this other.
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I would think, the race is so close, within 2% points or even tighter, there should be an automatic recount.
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I would think, the race is so close, within 2% points or even tighter, there should be an automatic recount.
AL election law says an automatic recount requires a margin of 0.5%. We're currently outside that. No idea if the number of uncounted absentee ballots outnumber the margin.
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Steve Bannon looks like the guy who comes to your house to give you a quote on repaving your driveway.
(http://www.lifo.gr/icache/590/310/2/1094290_rtx2rg16-e1479100778208.jpg)
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Steve Bannon looks like the guy who comes to your house to give you a quote on repaving your driveway.
For a few extra bucks, he'll show you the flexibility Scaramucci spoke about.
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I just saw a stat that said African Americans came out in higher percentages for Jones than Obama. That tells me the Democrats dumped more money into buying votes for Jones than Obama.
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So the reason why that Moore lost was because of:
1. Deep State
2. Mitch McConnell
3. The Media
4. GOPe
5. The Bilderbergers
6. Free Masons
7. The Stonecutters
Not because he was a s**tty candidate...
Ok..
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It would have helped if Moore hadn't shown himself to be an opponent of the Constitution, too.
"No religious test? Who cares...prophet Roy's interpretation of the Bible trumps that worthless rag!"
Where did he oppose the Constitution?
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I just saw a stat that said African Americans came out in higher percentages for Jones than Obama. That tells me the Democrats dumped more money into buying votes for Jones than Obama.
I could also have had something to do with Moore having said Blacks were better off under slavery and agreeing with some local conspiracy loon talk show host that all the amendments after the 10th should be repealed. :shrug:
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There is no need for me to vote R anymore. Why vote, they are 99% of the time just going to mock us. I am actually glad I didn't vote for McCain or Romney. They were two of the chief mockers of Moore. Get spit at enough, you learn to stop empowering the phlegm flingers.
Let the GOP go on without me, they no longer care for my vote. They and you will get the world you so deserve, but it will not be one worth envisioning.
Then be gone. You never supported the GOP to begin with, not if you didn't vote for McCain or Romney against Obama. Why are you now so upset that so many couldn't get behind Moore? Are your tender sensibilities all that matter?
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I could also have had something to do with Moore having said Blacks were better off under slavery and agreeing with some local conspiracy loon talk show host that all the amendments after the 10th should be repealed. :shrug:
Of course. Moore is just an amazing buffoon. (His only rival may be Steve Bannon.)
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You can't make this stuff up:
Sheila Jackson Leeâ€Verified account @JacksonLeeTX18
Sweet home Alabama. Thank you Alabamians and Doug Moore. Good has prevailed and our country is on the way to a new day #ikneel
10:48 PM - 12 Dec 2017
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It would have helped if Moore hadn't shown himself to be an opponent of the Constitution, too.
"No religious test? Who cares...prophet Roy's interpretation of the Bible trumps that worthless rag!"
Bingo. While evangelicals were tripping over themselves defending Moore's dating of teenagers as just country courtin', many old school conservatives were appalled by his disregard for the Constitution and the rule of law. The Republican opposition to Moore was principled, and grounded in the concern that promoting lawlessness was not the way to long-term success for the GOP and the conservative movement.
Moore's defeat has several silver linings. First, it can fairly be portrayed as an anomaly, a case of good conservatives (and good Christians) refusing to be sullied by voting for a certified nut. Second, evangelicals really, really stepped in it this time, trading away their moral authority to defend the indefensible. Third, the result discredits Steve Bannon, and by extension his alt-right barnacles. Fourth, a victory by Moore would have put the target on the backs of all Republicans running for election in 2018 - as well as President Trump. The good people of Alabama did their job and rejected a man unfit for the Senate. Now we don't need to endure the tawdry spectacle of an ethics investigation and the ugly and un-American prospect of overturning the will of the voters.
Kudos to the good and reasoned people of the State of Alabama!
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@mountaineer
Sheila hasn’t been this happy since they rescued Matt Damon and the American flag from Mars.
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Priceless! And true . . .
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Yeah, well just comfort yourself with that thought when a Democrat-controlled Senate shitcans Trump's next SCOTUS pick.
Well, maybe the silver lining is Republicans refusing to allow the ends to justify the means will lead to better candidates and better solidarity down the road.
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Perfect comeback? No. But I definitely would have made myself accessible to the voters and the press instead of hiding myself for months after botching a Sean Hannity interview.
Good point. Many reacted to the Hannity interview with the distinct impression that Moore had something to hide.
And then just two public appearances in the last week? Sometimes running out the clock is a good strategy - but not under circumstances like this where the scent of victory had the Dems and their voters motivated.
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Well, maybe the silver lining is Republicans refusing to allow the ends to justify the means will lead to better candidates and better solidarity down the road.
The good news? As usual the Democrats will overplay their hand and read more into this than what it really was.
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Being Christian is also about being loving and forgiving....some of Roy's positions seemed to lack this. This is why there was little room for error; per his own lifestyle. I can even ignore unproven allegations, just admitting and not denying that he might have dated such young women didn't go over well. A bit of a debacle but only 3 years of it and the Alabama GOP already released a statement that Jones needs to represent everyone in Alabama as if trying to quell his known radical positions.
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Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.
Yup. If just those four seats - easy pickings! - had been in GOP hands then ObamaCare would already be history.
Bad candidates vs. good candidates make all the difference.
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Looks like Doug Jones is going to win. So be it. Republicans need to pass tax reform immediately.
Also, every politician who runs from now on until eternity should be prepared to battle sexual assault allegations.
#AlabamaSenateElection
10:23 PM - 12 Dec 2017
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Akin, O'Donnell, Angle, Moore...just throwing away Senate seats by nominating bad candidates.
The first 3 said some questionable things but not enough to dump them. The GOP needs to stand by candidates as well. Moore does not belong in that group.
Moore had a problem with personal conduct or misconduct that seemed to affect voters; also won in 2011 by only 52-48 seems a graphic I saw last night on tv. If that is so, it shows a lot of voters already had reservations about him.
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@edpc , you and the rest of the RINOs here joined democrats openly trashing Roy. While congress and democrats outspent something in the neighborhood of 12 to 1 against him. Posters here spreading baseless horrible rumors against him for how many months now with no proof whatsoever? Truth, who needs that? I get the feeling the site manager here got pinged to post article after article that did nothing but spread the lies after someone got tired of doing it. There was few in Roy's corner except oddly enough Breitbart (who turned on Cruz) and a few outlier online news sites and the dyehard of us in Alabama. Trump hid from supporting Moore because his wee feelings got hurt over Strange's loss. Even Cruz disappointed. The Senate leadership never did help, they certainly didn't want Moore's views contrary to their own.
Mo Brooks I was actually proud of... (he was the one I said I could of voted for if Moore lost). There was so much that could of been pointed out in Moore's defense that just got laughed at here at TBR. I would try to point out things like how the black lady police officer's FB page showed she was radical. No response from most here or a flimpant remark discarding what I said and carefully researched. Nobody cared, Roy was just a Christian nut. Make a few more jokes at his expense.
What it shows me is that if the GOP has such disdain for Christian voters it hurts. There is no need for me to vote R anymore. Why vote, they are 99% of the time just going to mock us. I am actually glad I didn't vote for McCain or Romney. They were two of the chief mockers of Moore. Get spit at enough, you learn to stop empowering the phlegm flingers.
Let the GOP go on without me, they no longer care for my vote. They and you will get the world you so deserve, but it will not be one worth envisioning.
@Sighlass
Bullshit.
First of all, I’m not a Republican. I called myself a conservative up until this mess, but I’m done with that after watching conservatives turn off their brains, put on blinders, throw common decency out the window, and in some cases, let their deep-seated dislike/contempt for women out into the light. All in order to support a creepy, weird, morally bankrupt child molester. My beliefs are the same, but conservatism is dead, and the evangelical church is deeply sick.
Child molester—-was that caterwaul loud enough? If not, I can up the volume.
@mystery-ak wasn’t pinged by me or anyone else to post more anti-Moore articles. For the love of God, stop making everything a conspiracy. Myst posts right down the middle, pro and con whatever the issue. Anyway, what makes you think she could be bullied by someone not happy about her posting?
Y’all can’t even see it, but you’ve become Free Republic and you’ve become exactly like hardcore Trumpists....blaming everybody except yourself (especially those who wouldn’t dump their principles), spitting with rage. You sound exactly like those TOS morons today. Moore losing just couldn’t be because reasonable people believed the credible accusations. As Breitbart has it , “REPUBLICAN SABOTEURS FLIP SEAT TO DEMS.†Congrats, guys, you’re right in step!
You ain’t blaming this crapshow on me or on the few others who wouldn’t shut up about Moore. There’s now another left winger in the Senate because Alabama went for the worst possible Republican candidate.
Should be very simple lessons...don’t pretend it’s normal for a 30 year old to hang out at recitals trolling for teenagers. Don’t dismiss credible child molestation charges. If you’re sounding too much like TOS and Breitbart, check yourself because it’s a serious red flag.
Oh, and don’t ride a horse to the polling place dressed like a cowboy because you look like a damn embarrassing dork.
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I do blame them. You do not make things better by supporting the party of evil. We need all the Senate votes we can get to help pass Trump's agenda.
People aren't keeping their eye on the prize here.
Ah, but we are. Moore's election would have led to an ethics investigation and the truly divisive prospect of forcing out a member elected by the voters. Moore's defeat allows this debacle to be put behind us so we can concentrate on keeping the Senate, which is of course the key to securing conservative jurists. The numbers still favor the GOP - and without Moore's baggage I remain cautiously optimistic.
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@Sighlass
Bullshit.
First of all, I’m not a Republican. I called myself a conservative up until this mess, but I’m done with that after watching conservatives turn off their brains, put on blinders, throw common decency out the window, and in some cases, let their deep-seated dislike/contempt for women out into the light. All in order to support a creepy, weird, morally bankrupt child molester. My beliefs are the same, but conservatism is dead, and the evangelical church is deeply sick.
Child molester—-was that caterwaul loud enough? If not, I can up the volume.
@mystery-ak wasn’t pinged by me or anyone else to post more anti-Moore articles. For the love of God, stop making everything a conspiracy. Myst posts right down the middle, pro and con whatever the issue. Anyway, what makes you think she could be bullied by someone not happy about her posting?
Y’all can’t even see it, but you’ve become Free Republic and you’ve become exactly like hardcore Trumpists....blaming everybody except yourself (especially those who wouldn’t dump their principles), spitting with rage. You sound exactly like those TOS morons today. Moore losing just couldn’t be because reasonable people believed the credible accusations. As Breitbart has it , “REPUBLICAN SABOTEURS FLIP SEAT TO DEMS.†Congrats, guys, you’re right in step!
You ain’t blaming this crapshow on me or on the few others who wouldn’t shut up about Moore. There’s now another left winger in the Senate because Alabama went for the worst possible Republican candidate.
Should be very simple lessons...don’t pretend it’s normal for a 30 year old to hang out at recitals trolling for teenagers. Don’t dismiss credible child molestation charges. If you’re sounding too much like TOS and Breitbart, check yourself because it’s a serious red flag.
Oh, and don’t ride a horse to the polling place dressed like a cowboy because you look like a damn embarrassing dork.
Preach it, sister. But don't give up on conservatism. The number of write-ins last night exceeded Jones' margin of victory. Good Alabamians and conservatives who would not let the ends justify the means kept Moore from the Senate.
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@Sighlass
Bullshit.
First of all, I’m not a Republican. I called myself a conservative up until this mess, but I’m done with that after watching conservatives turn off their brains, put on blinders, throw common decency out the window, and in some cases, let their deep-seated dislike/contempt for women out into the light. All in order to support a creepy, weird, morally bankrupt child molester. My beliefs are the same, but conservatism is dead, and the evangelical church is deeply sick.
Child molester—-was that caterwaul loud enough? If not, I can up the volume.
@mystery-ak wasn’t pinged by me or anyone else to post more anti-Moore articles. For the love of God, stop making everything a conspiracy. Myst posts right down the middle, pro and con whatever the issue. Anyway, what makes you think she could be bullied by someone not happy about her posting?
Y’all can’t even see it, but you’ve become Free Republic and you’ve become exactly like hardcore Trumpists....blaming everybody except yourself (especially those who wouldn’t dump their principles), spitting with rage. You sound exactly like those TOS morons today. Moore losing just couldn’t be because reasonable people believed the credible accusations. As Breitbart has it , “REPUBLICAN SABOTEURS FLIP SEAT TO DEMS.†Congrats, guys, you’re right in step!
You ain’t blaming this crapshow on me or on the few others who wouldn’t shut up about Moore. There’s now another left winger in the Senate because Alabama went for the worst possible Republican candidate.
Should be very simple lessons...don’t pretend it’s normal for a 30 year old to hang out at recitals trolling for teenagers. Don’t dismiss credible child molestation charges. If you’re sounding too much like TOS and Breitbart, check yourself because it’s a serious red flag.
Oh, and don’t ride a horse to the polling place dressed like a cowboy because you look like a damn embarrassing dork.
Glad we see pro-choicers and feminists seen for what they are as well.
@Sighlass has stated he wrote in the last 3 presidential candidates. It's more like you are on the same side.
Tasteless sanctimony and we know, if pressed, then, you call people vile names. Enjoy your little world.
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Roy Moore Is A Lesson On The Folly Of Angry Populism
The obvious lesson of Roy Moore's election loss is that angry populism fueled by resentment of 'elites' is not the basis for a political movement.
By Robert Tracinski
December 13, 2017
They told me I should keep my “elite media†nose out of it and let the voters in Alabama decide for themselves whether to elect Roy Moore as their next senator. Well, alright then. The voters decided, and they elected a Democrat. In Alabama. I think that’s a pretty definitive judgment about the merits of Moore as a candidate.
The obvious lesson here is that angry populism fueled by resentment against the bogeyman of supposed “elites†is not the basis for a political party or movement. Even before the allegations that as a grown man Moore used to troll the malls for teenage girls to date, it was pretty obvious that he was trouble. He has always been a grandstanding attention addict who likes to shoot off his mouth without thinking first.
More to the point, he thrived by pandering to the “deplorables†whom normal candidates wisely choose not to pander to. Moore pandered to those who like to engage in Confederate nostalgia, to those who want to return to the persecution of homosexuals, to those who fantasize about imposing a religious test for public office. ... More at The Federalist (http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/13/roy-moore-lesson-folly-angry-populism/)
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Moore's election would have led to an ethics investigation
Do you honestly think that senators would be willing to investigate 40 year old activities of a senator? We could go back 40 years on anyone if that was allowed.
If Moore was a Democrat, would we even be talking about this? Ted Kennedy? Gerry Studds?
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Ah, but we are. Moore's election would have led to an ethics investigation and the truly divisive prospect of forcing out a member elected by the voters. Moore's defeat allows this debacle to be put behind us so we can concentrate on keeping the Senate, which is of course the key to securing conservative jurists. The numbers still favor the GOP - and without Moore's baggage I remain cautiously optimistic.
I agree @Jazzhead I actually think this was probably the best outcome for Republicans. Had Moore won, the resultant ethics investigation and whatever that outcome was would have kept this situation in the news and further divided the Republican Party. During the mid-terms, we'd see videotape after videotape tying incumbent GOP Senators to an "accused child molester" every time they shook Moore's hand, patted him on the back, or had lunch with him. The Dems are defending 25 seats in the Senate (including the "Independents") while the Reps are defending 8 (with 6 of those being pretty safe). As long as the GOP can keep Trump from campaigning for them, I think the GOP has a fighting chance.
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I agree @Jazzhead I actually think this was probably the best outcome for Republicans. Had Moore won, the resultant ethics investigation and whatever that outcome was would have kept this situation in the news and further divided the Republican Party. During the mid-terms, we'd see videotape after videotape tying incumbent GOP Senators to an "accused child molester" every time they shook Moore's hand, patted him on the back, or had lunch with him. The Dems are defending 25 seats in the Senate (including the "Independents") while the Reps are defending 8 (with 6 of those being pretty safe). As long as the GOP can keep Trump from campaigning for them, I think the GOP has a fighting chance.
At least Trump Pence save lives. You really are a big man with this Trump dumping that you seem to find so much self-righteousness in. To me, it's not that much difference than what the left says. You have made a number of these comments, so it's time to say something back.
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@Sighlass
Bullshit.
First of all, I’m not a Republican. I called myself a conservative up until this mess, but I’m done with that after watching conservatives turn off their brains, put on blinders, throw common decency out the window, and in some cases, let their deep-seated dislike/contempt for women out into the light. All in order to support a creepy, weird, morally bankrupt child molester. My beliefs are the same, but conservatism is dead, and the evangelical church is deeply sick.
Child molester—-was that caterwaul loud enough? If not, I can up the volume.
@mystery-ak wasn’t pinged by me or anyone else to post more anti-Moore articles. For the love of God, stop making everything a conspiracy. Myst posts right down the middle, pro and con whatever the issue. Anyway, what makes you think she could be bullied by someone not happy about her posting?
Y’all can’t even see it, but you’ve become Free Republic and you’ve become exactly like hardcore Trumpists....blaming everybody except yourself (especially those who wouldn’t dump their principles), spitting with rage. You sound exactly like those TOS morons today. Moore losing just couldn’t be because reasonable people believed the credible accusations. As Breitbart has it , “REPUBLICAN SABOTEURS FLIP SEAT TO DEMS.†Congrats, guys, you’re right in step!
You ain’t blaming this crapshow on me or on the few others who wouldn’t shut up about Moore. There’s now another left winger in the Senate because Alabama went for the worst possible Republican candidate.
Should be very simple lessons...don’t pretend it’s normal for a 30 year old to hang out at recitals trolling for teenagers. Don’t dismiss credible child molestation charges. If you’re sounding too much like TOS and Breitbart, check yourself because it’s a serious red flag.
Oh, and don’t ride a horse to the polling place dressed like a cowboy because you look like a damn embarrassing dork.
@CatherineofAragon
:amen: :patriot: 888high58888 :beer:
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At least Trump Pence save lives. You really are a big man with this Trump dumping that you seem to find so much self-righteousness in. To me, it's not that much difference than what the left says. You have made a number of these comments, so it's time to say something back.
I encourage everyone to express their honest opinion, and I attempt not to personally attack them when they do it. As for "Trump dumping", when the President does something I find praise-worthy, I've praised him, and I’ve done it right here on TBR on the following: Gorsuch, cutting regulations, hurricane responses in FL and TX, fixing the VA, his speech after Las Vegas, and freeing up Rules of Engagement in the attack against ISIS. If you think Trump, with his approving ratings in the 30's and disapproval ratings around 60, campaigning for 8 GOP incumbent Senators will help, you are entitled to that opinion, I just don't think it will likely help them. If you consider that "Trump dumping", fair enough. I consider it looking at the available data (including the results last night in ruby red Alabama) and coming to a logical conclusion.
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The only possible good to come out of this disgusting fiasco is that maybe, just maybe we’ve heard the last of Steve Bannon.
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So the reason why that Moore lost was because of:
1. Deep State
2. Mitch McConnell
3. The Media
4. GOPe
5. The Bilderbergers
6. Free Masons
7. The Stonecutters
Not because he was a s**tty candidate...
Ok..
Interesting to see that so many here don't find it disturbing that someone no Conservative would remotely want in office has been elected, propelled into office by a wave of absolute tabloid level sewage.
It doesn't bother people here that a man's good name has been repeatedly and continuously sullied on the basis of shaky allegations which have been shown to be false or to be based on falsified materials, questionable allegations that date back to the Carter Administration. Some of you have carried the firebrand even here, calling for more wood around the stake.
Yet not one of you was howling for the prosecution of Hillary's well known, well documented, and lucrative crimes affecting National Security not ten years ago.
It puts a new spin on "If it bleeds it leads", not that Hillary hasn't blood on her hands.
That the presumption of innocence has been so readily discarded to gleefully attack a man who has stood in the breach for traditional marriage to the point he lost a prestigious job over it, by people who claim to support the Constitution is a disturbing development, indeed.
The Democrats (Yes, Virginia, there was not one Republican among his accusers and their repeater broadcast network at WaPo), the MSM who played the same 24/7 stuff until people mumbled it in their sleep using the same buzzwords as the Media, and Mitch McConnell, all too happy to throw Moore umder the buss because his buddy didn't get the nomination.
And, yes, the GOPe, who just didn't want Moore privy to the stuff they do in DC because he's the kind of guy who has a track record for standing up for what he thinks is right, and that might not play well with the Kings of K Street.
But even more, I must credit the suckers of America, the great people who believe what they hear and see on teevee, who buy overpriced stuff shown on late-night half hour commercials and give the extra one as a gift (just pay an extra fee, 'cause shipping is free). It is the gullible of America who will conquer this country from within, who (once again) have raised their heads from whatever picture book they and sounding out the captions and spewed an opinion that would keep the inevitable fickle finger of national attention pointed somewhere else, so their secretary doesn't twist off in a fit of pique and expose a stray pat or touch and claim she, too, has been wronged and the offender should hang after a fast trial by allegation in the court of public opinion.
If this is the world you want, it is the world you get.
When the day comes, stand proudly in front of your Creator and receive the reward you so richly deserve.
In the meantime the slaughter of innocents will continue unopposed, in fact, supported by the new guy from Alabama, and even one here who brays often about being proud voting for the most pro life president, etc, stood in opposition to the candidate who would have fought for the unborn to have something other than an express ticket to the waste bin or a human parts supply house.
For those of you gloating over this loss, you lose, too. The veil has been ripped from your hypocrisy. You don't want Constitutional Government, You don't want a Republic, nor the protections of a presumption of innocence--you want mob rule, and blood in the streets. A chicken in every pot and some SOB hanging from every lamppost. You are one step closer to getting your wish. When things have finally degraded to be as they were in the times of Noah, we'll see what trumps what. Opinions won't matter in the face of His wrath.
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Told you so.
Effing idiots.
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Well, maybe the silver lining is Republicans refusing to allow the ends to justify the means will lead to better candidates and better solidarity down the road.
We can only hope....
In essence, Alabama's message to Roy Moore was "... and the horse you rode in on!". It does not mean that Alabama has suddenly gone blue or even purple; it is still a solidly Republican state, for now.
A better candidate... any better candidate in fact, would have likely changed the results.
If there is any silver lining here, it might be that Republicans did not have to endure watching a Moore victory party last night at Aeropostale or Build-a-Bear. :whistle:
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The only possible good to come out of this disgusting fiasco is that maybe, just maybe we’ve heard the last of Steve Bannon.
No way. I listened to Breitbart radio for a few minutes this morning out of curiousity, and he was on and unrepentant.
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Interesting to see that so many here don't find it disturbing that someone no Conservative would remotely want in office has been elected, propelled into office by a wave of absolute tabloid level sewage.
LOL. Nice try. Roy Moore was garbage before these scandals. He is a jackass, a moron, Steve Bannon stooge, a phony bible thumping Jesus freak, a perpetual loser. Even if you remove the fact that he admitted to playing big boy games with little girls, he was still wearing a leather vest, cowboy hat, waving a gun and riding a horse in Alabama in 2017. Maybe he can win a Yosemite Sam contest somewhere.
Don't worry though. Roy is going to talk to his lawyers about a recount......as soon as they get back to work after Hanukkah.
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They came D@mn close to it with Obama.
They are damned close to it now given that several who currently "serve" there with Rs behind their names are really democrats.
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We can blame the media, blame the GOPe, blame the Democrat slime machine, etc. Bottom line: Moore was not a good candidate. He took his handlers' advice and laid low for the last several weeks of the campaign, and that (plus Shelby's rejection) cost him the election. If Moore was the anti-establishment bulwark he was made out to be, he would have been on the campaign trail giving them hell. Instead, it seemed like every time he or his wife opened their mouths, stupidity came out.
Trump also looks bad today. He tried to save Moore, and now Trump has egg all over his face. I don't doubt that the price of Trump's endorsement was that Moore STFU for the remainder of the campaign, and that was not very good advice. Voters do not trust candidates who avoid going out and seeing them. The same thing happened to Hitlery in 2016.
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So the reason why that Moore lost was because of:
1. Deep State
2. Mitch McConnell
3. The Media
4. GOPe
5. The Bilderbergers
6. Free Masons
7. The Stonecutters
Not because he was a s**tty candidate...
Ok..
Roy Moore lost because FAR too many have now been brainwashed in public schools and have exactly NO idea how this once great republic was designed to work!
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Interesting to see that so many here don't find it disturbing that someone no Conservative would remotely want in office has been elected, propelled into office by a wave of absolute tabloid level sewage.
It doesn't bother people here that a man's good name has been repeatedly and continuously sullied on the basis of shaky allegations which have been shown to be false or to be based on falsified materials, questionable allegations that date back to the Carter Administration. Some of you have carried the firebrand even here, calling for more wood around the stake.
Yet not one of you was howling for the prosecution of Hillary's well known, well documented, and lucrative crimes affecting National Security not ten years ago.
It puts a new spin on "If it bleeds it leads", not that Hillary hasn't blood on her hands.
That the presumption of innocence has been so readily discarded to gleefully attack a man who has stood in the breach for traditional marriage to the point he lost a prestigious job over it, by people who claim to support the Constitution is a disturbing development, indeed.
The Democrats (Yes, Virginia, there was not one Republican among his accusers and their repeater broadcast network at WaPo), the MSM who played the same 24/7 stuff until people mumbled it in their sleep using the same buzzwords as the Media, and Mitch McConnell, all too happy to throw Moore umder the buss because his buddy didn't get the nomination.
And, yes, the GOPe, who just didn't want Moore privy to the stuff they do in DC because he's the kind of guy who has a track record for standing up for what he thinks is right, and that might not play well with the Kings of K Street.
But even more, I must credit the suckers of America, the great people who believe what they hear and see on teevee, who buy overpriced stuff shown on late-night half hour commercials and give the extra one as a gift (just pay an extra fee, 'cause shipping is free). It is the gullible of America who will conquer this country from within, who (once again) have raised their heads from whatever picture book they and sounding out the captions and spewed an opinion that would keep the inevitable fickle finger of national attention pointed somewhere else, so their secretary doesn't twist off in a fit of pique and expose a stray pat or touch and claim she, too, has been wronged and the offender should hang after a fast trial by allegation in the court of public opinion.
If this is the world you want, it is the world you get.
When the day comes, stand proudly in front of your Creator and receive the reward you so richly deserve.
In the meantime the slaughter of innocents will continue unopposed, in fact, supported by the new guy from Alabama, and even one here who brays often about being proud voting for the most pro life president, etc, stood in opposition to the candidate who would have fought for the unborn to have something other than an express ticket to the waste bin or a human parts supply house.
For those of you gloating over this loss, you lose, too. The veil has been ripped from your hypocrisy. You don't want Constitutional Government, You don't want a Republic, nor the protections of a presumption of innocence--you want mob rule, and blood in the streets. A chicken in every pot and some SOB hanging from every lamppost. You are one step closer to getting your wish. When things have finally degraded to be as they were in the times of Noah, we'll see what trumps what. Opinions won't matter in the face of His wrath.
A dozen thumbs up to that, sir!
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Interesting to see that so many here don't find it disturbing that someone no Conservative would remotely want in office has been elected, propelled into office by a wave of absolute tabloid level sewage.
It doesn't bother people here that a man's good name has been repeatedly and continuously sullied on the basis of shaky allegations which have been shown to be false or to be based on falsified materials, questionable allegations that date back to the Carter Administration. Some of you have carried the firebrand even here, calling for more wood around the stake.
Yet not one of you was howling for the prosecution of Hillary's well known, well documented, and lucrative crimes affecting National Security not ten years ago.
It puts a new spin on "If it bleeds it leads", not that Hillary hasn't blood on her hands.
That the presumption of innocence has been so readily discarded to gleefully attack a man who has stood in the breach for traditional marriage to the point he lost a prestigious job over it, by people who claim to support the Constitution is a disturbing development, indeed.
The Democrats (Yes, Virginia, there was not one Republican among his accusers and their repeater broadcast network at WaPo), the MSM who played the same 24/7 stuff until people mumbled it in their sleep using the same buzzwords as the Media, and Mitch McConnell, all too happy to throw Moore umder the buss because his buddy didn't get the nomination.
And, yes, the GOPe, who just didn't want Moore privy to the stuff they do in DC because he's the kind of guy who has a track record for standing up for what he thinks is right, and that might not play well with the Kings of K Street.
But even more, I must credit the suckers of America, the great people who believe what they hear and see on teevee, who buy overpriced stuff shown on late-night half hour commercials and give the extra one as a gift (just pay an extra fee, 'cause shipping is free). It is the gullible of America who will conquer this country from within, who (once again) have raised their heads from whatever picture book they and sounding out the captions and spewed an opinion that would keep the inevitable fickle finger of national attention pointed somewhere else, so their secretary doesn't twist off in a fit of pique and expose a stray pat or touch and claim she, too, has been wronged and the offender should hang after a fast trial by allegation in the court of public opinion.
If this is the world you want, it is the world you get.
When the day comes, stand proudly in front of your Creator and receive the reward you so richly deserve.
In the meantime the slaughter of innocents will continue unopposed, in fact, supported by the new guy from Alabama, and even one here who brays often about being proud voting for the most pro life president, etc, stood in opposition to the candidate who would have fought for the unborn to have something other than an express ticket to the waste bin or a human parts supply house.
For those of you gloating over this loss, you lose, too. The veil has been ripped from your hypocrisy. You don't want Constitutional Government, You don't want a Republic, nor the protections of a presumption of innocence--you want mob rule, and blood in the streets. A chicken in every pot and some SOB hanging from every lamppost. You are one step closer to getting your wish. When things have finally degraded to be as they were in the times of Noah, we'll see what trumps what. Opinions won't matter in the face of His wrath.
:amen: :amen: :amen: We are seeing the result of allowing the government to "educate" or children and we are reaping the whirlwind as a result!
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Roy Moore lost because FAR too many have now been brainwashed in public schools
Are these the same public schools that Roy trolls for trim?
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Are these the same public schools that Roy trolls for trim?
Go play in the street Frank! Roy Moore was Cained and you damned well know it!
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You can't make this stuff up: :silly:
WTG Alabama......
Enjoy your congratulatory tweet from a Certified Idiot on an inbred looking cretin winning the election.
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No way. I listened to Breitbart radio for a few minutes this morning out of curiousity, and he was on and unrepentant.
Of course. Worked for him either way. Moore wins and he says 'See, I told you we can do this!' Moore loses and it's 'See, I told you McConnell would stop this!'
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For those of you gloating over this loss, you lose, too. The veil has been ripped from your hypocrisy. You don't want Constitutional Government, You don't want a Republic, nor the protections of a presumption of innocence--you want mob rule, and blood in the streets.
Bullshit. It was the supporters of Constitutional Government and the rule of law who recognized the danger of a self-styled nihilist like Roy Moore.
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A few posters here owe @CatherineofAragon an apology.
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A few posters here owe @CatherineofAragon an apology.
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
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Roy Moore lost because FAR too many have now been brainwashed in public schools and have exactly NO idea how this once great republic was designed to work!
In my professional work career (35 years or so), I can remember about 20 or so women, who allegedly climbed the corporate ladder via their feminine sexuality.
Maybe its time to re-direct the "Me-Too" focus on these wenches.
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Bullshit. It was the supporters of Constitutional Government and the rule of law who recognized the danger of a self-styled nihilist like Roy Moore.
@Jazzhead
Says the guy who is ok with nihlist as long as they support his agenda.
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We can blame the media, blame the GOPe, blame the Democrat slime machine, etc. Bottom line: Moore was not a good candidate. He took his handlers' advice and laid low for the last several weeks of the campaign, and that (plus Shelby's rejection) cost him the election. If Moore was the anti-establishment bulwark he was made out to be, he would have been on the campaign trail giving them hell. Instead, it seemed like every time he or his wife opened their mouths, stupidity came out.
Trump also looks bad today. He tried to save Moore, and now Trump has egg all over his face. I don't doubt that the price of Trump's endorsement was that Moore STFU for the remainder of the campaign, and that was not very good advice. Voters do not trust candidates who avoid going out and seeing them. The same thing happened to Hitlery in 2016.
goopo
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Go play in the street Frank! Roy Moore was Cained and you damned well know it!
LOL. Roy Moore is a moral degenerate, thinks the Constitution is junk, is a religious zealot of the order of your average muslim rag head and a fairly stupid person who just lost in one of the reddest red states around.......and you are still defending him?
For Christ sakes his dim bulb half wit wife said in public yesterday that they were not bigots because one of their lawyers was Jewish. The Moores deserve to be flushed down the toilet, not defended.
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(https://orig00.deviantart.net/2cd9/f/2011/125/0/f/disney__s_woody_from_toy_story_by_tman127182-d3fo2ok.jpg)
Roy does look sad this morning.
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Interesting to see that so many here don't find it disturbing that someone no Conservative would remotely want in office has been elected, propelled into office by a wave of absolute tabloid level sewage.
It doesn't bother people here that a man's good name has been repeatedly and continuously sullied on the basis of shaky allegations which have been shown to be false or to be based on falsified materials, questionable allegations that date back to the Carter Administration. Some of you have carried the firebrand even here, calling for more wood around the stake.
Yet not one of you was howling for the prosecution of Hillary's well known, well documented, and lucrative crimes affecting National Security not ten years ago.
It puts a new spin on "If it bleeds it leads", not that Hillary hasn't blood on her hands.
That the presumption of innocence has been so readily discarded to gleefully attack a man who has stood in the breach for traditional marriage to the point he lost a prestigious job over it, by people who claim to support the Constitution is a disturbing development, indeed.
The Democrats (Yes, Virginia, there was not one Republican among his accusers and their repeater broadcast network at WaPo), the MSM who played the same 24/7 stuff until people mumbled it in their sleep using the same buzzwords as the Media, and Mitch McConnell, all too happy to throw Moore umder the buss because his buddy didn't get the nomination.
And, yes, the GOPe, who just didn't want Moore privy to the stuff they do in DC because he's the kind of guy who has a track record for standing up for what he thinks is right, and that might not play well with the Kings of K Street.
But even more, I must credit the suckers of America, the great people who believe what they hear and see on teevee, who buy overpriced stuff shown on late-night half hour commercials and give the extra one as a gift (just pay an extra fee, 'cause shipping is free). It is the gullible of America who will conquer this country from within, who (once again) have raised their heads from whatever picture book they and sounding out the captions and spewed an opinion that would keep the inevitable fickle finger of national attention pointed somewhere else, so their secretary doesn't twist off in a fit of pique and expose a stray pat or touch and claim she, too, has been wronged and the offender should hang after a fast trial by allegation in the court of public opinion.
If this is the world you want, it is the world you get.
When the day comes, stand proudly in front of your Creator and receive the reward you so richly deserve.
In the meantime the slaughter of innocents will continue unopposed, in fact, supported by the new guy from Alabama, and even one here who brays often about being proud voting for the most pro life president, etc, stood in opposition to the candidate who would have fought for the unborn to have something other than an express ticket to the waste bin or a human parts supply house.
For those of you gloating over this loss, you lose, too. The veil has been ripped from your hypocrisy. You don't want Constitutional Government, You don't want a Republic, nor the protections of a presumption of innocence--you want mob rule, and blood in the streets. A chicken in every pot and some SOB hanging from every lamppost. You are one step closer to getting your wish. When things have finally degraded to be as they were in the times of Noah, we'll see what trumps what. Opinions won't matter in the face of His wrath.
@Smokin Joe
I know I'm paranoid but I wonder how many of these people are who they say. How many are real people, real conservatives or even real Americans. We know the left uses paid trolls and bots to manipulate social media. We also know there is no low they will not go to in order to further their agenda. They have virtually unlimited funding supporting their global agenda and nothing else to do.
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@Sighlass
Bullshit.
First of all, I’m not a Republican. I called myself a conservative up until this mess, but I’m done with that after watching conservatives turn off their brains, put on blinders, throw common decency out the window, and in some cases, let their deep-seated dislike/contempt for women out into the light. All in order to support a creepy, weird, morally bankrupt child molester. My beliefs are the same, but conservatism is dead, and the evangelical church is deeply sick.
Child molester—-was that caterwaul loud enough? If not, I can up the volume.
@mystery-ak wasn’t pinged by me or anyone else to post more anti-Moore articles. For the love of God, stop making everything a conspiracy. Myst posts right down the middle, pro and con whatever the issue. Anyway, what makes you think she could be bullied by someone not happy about her posting?
Y’all can’t even see it, but you’ve become Free Republic and you’ve become exactly like hardcore Trumpists....blaming everybody except yourself (especially those who wouldn’t dump their principles), spitting with rage. You sound exactly like those TOS morons today. Moore losing just couldn’t be because reasonable people believed the credible accusations. As Breitbart has it , “REPUBLICAN SABOTEURS FLIP SEAT TO DEMS.†Congrats, guys, you’re right in step!
You ain’t blaming this crapshow on me or on the few others who wouldn’t shut up about Moore. There’s now another left winger in the Senate because Alabama went for the worst possible Republican candidate.
Should be very simple lessons...don’t pretend it’s normal for a 30 year old to hang out at recitals trolling for teenagers. Don’t dismiss credible child molestation charges. If you’re sounding too much like TOS and Breitbart, check yourself because it’s a serious red flag.
Oh, and don’t ride a horse to the polling place dressed like a cowboy because you look like a damn embarrassing dork.
In your rush to judgement, kindly don't claim to be a conservative. It doesn't fit. You have, from the start, attacked Roy Moore as if the spurious and decades old allegations against him were gospel, despite the obvious signs that they were not. Despite later shown testimony and evidence they were not. When challenged to produce sources you replied that you were too busy to do others' research for them, but failed to provide your sources. You were not, however too damned busy to spend a crazy number of paragraphs decrying Roy Moore.
For those of us who are Conservatives, the 'hit' on Roy Moore was obvious. The motivation was obvious. The two big issues for him (when he stood up to the Federal Judges trying to legislate from the bench) were the sanctity of marriage and the Ten Commandments monument. Those mean nothing to you. In both cases, he refused to comply with orders which, in one case did not even apply to him or his office.
But no, come forth the allegers, with Gloria Allred waving an altered signature, claiming that during the Carter Administration Roy Moore supposedly engaged in activity with someone under the legal age of consent. How many?
ONE, and only one who claimed he had done any thing with her below the age of consent, and then not even sex, just heavy petting. If I thought that was true, I'd have stood against Moore, myself, but I find, especially in the face of revelations that the girl had a troubled past, didn't live where she supposedly was picked up, and was not credible, nor, for that matter were the allegations of the other person who claimed Moore had been too forward (not a rapist, and she above the age of consent) but who it was disclosed didn't work where she said she had worked, where Moore didn't go to eat, and who even described the layout in exquisite detail but completely wrong. No, I found no credibility in that, furthermore, a little more digging disclosed that these women were serious Democrat supporters.
As for not dating those whose substance abuse problems were reaching their zenith, who had a string of kids behind them, maybe a couple of divorces, or who were for whatever reason unsuitable as a mate, I don't blame Roy Moore at all. That left older women with the same dypsomania, more mileage, and more issues, or younger ones who had none of those problems. Your inflammatory and pejorative statement about cruising dance recitals is out of line, duly noted, and just one more reason that in the past months your opinion has become meaningless to me. If you are looking for work, let me recommend writing for CNN. You'd fit right in, unless there is someone in your past who might today, 50 years later, find your touch offensive in retrospect who can get you canned.
You have ignored facts, refused to even view exculpatory data, refused to provide sources, and taken up the standard against a man whose rulings in court and positions have been staunchly Conservative. Please, don't further your hypocrisy by calling yourself "conservative".
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Read four pages of crap about Moore on this thread this morning and have come to the conclusion that was similar to the arguments in the last election. to wit: Just like if you didn't like Trump it was a vote for Shillery; in this one because of all the allegation (whether you believe them or not) Moore has to be guilty so vote for a radical leftist DimWit.
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LOL. Roy Moore is a moral degenerate, thinks the Constitution is junk, is a religious zealot of the order of your average muslim rag head and a fairly stupid person who just lost in one of the reddest red states around.......and you are still defending him?
For Christ sakes his dim bulb half wit wife said in public yesterday that they were not bigots because one of their lawyers was Jewish. The Moores deserve to be flushed down the toilet, not defended.
@Frank Cannon
You've had some outstandingly stupid posts but this one outdoes them all.
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@CatherineofAragon
:amen: :patriot: 888high58888 :beer:
@LMAO @Jazzhead
Thanks, but I’m just very pessimistic about the future of conservatism.
Just heard Jonah Goldberg say that Bannon doesn’t understand there is no Trumpism without Trump. He keeps trying to make these fringe pseudo-Trump characters happen, but it doesn’t work.
He isn’t the type who’ll bow out gracefully, but hopefully his influence is done.
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Do you honestly think that senators would be willing to investigate 40 year old activities of a senator? We could go back 40 years on anyone if that was allowed.
Yes, @Restored there would have been an Ethics Committee investigation; not only to get rid of Moore but to grease the skids for the President.
Now the voters have decided in Alabama, just as the voters decided in 2016. Game, set, match.
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@Frank Cannon
You've had some outstandingly stupid posts but this one outdoes them all.
Oh yeah pal? Show me where I am wrong about your Hero Roy the kiddie raper....
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-said-in-2011-getting-rid-of-every-amendment-after-the-tenth-would-eliminate-many-problems/article/2643092 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roy-moore-said-in-2011-getting-rid-of-every-amendment-after-the-tenth-would-eliminate-many-problems/article/2643092)
http://abcnews.go.com/widgets/mediaplayer/premiumPlayerPlaylist?mid=2017/12/12/roy_moore_spokesman_muslims_cant_be_elected_officials_because_you_have_to_swear_on_christian_bible.html (http://abcnews.go.com/widgets/mediaplayer/premiumPlayerPlaylist?mid=2017/12/12/roy_moore_spokesman_muslims_cant_be_elected_officials_because_you_have_to_swear_on_christian_bible.html)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roy-moores-wife-attorneys-jew/story?id=51736929 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roy-moores-wife-attorneys-jew/story?id=51736929)
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A few posters here owe @CatherineofAragon an apology.
The same way they owed me an apology in November @Hoodat ?
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One things for sure, conservatives cannot work together. Throw out anything, no matter how weak or even an outright lie and they'll tear each other apart. Nobody is perfect enough for them and they'd rather lose then have an imperfect candidate win.
A bigger bunch of fools hasn't been gathered in one place since Chamberlain gave his speech.
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@LMAO @Jazzhead
Thanks, but I’m just very pessimistic about the future of conservatism.
Just heard Jonah Goldberg say that Bannon doesn’t understand there is no Trumpism without Trump. He keeps trying to make these fringe pseudo-Trump characters happen, but it doesn’t work.
He isn’t the type who’ll bow out gracefully, but hopefully his influence is done.
Yeah, and he also said that Bannon had nothing to do with the AL election. Guess you forgot the "K Street Rainmaker" quote.
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One things for sure, conservatives cannot work together. Throw out anything, no matter how weak or even an outright lie and they'll tear each other apart. Nobody is perfect enough for them and they'd rather lose then have an imperfect candidate win.
A bigger bunch of fools hasn't been gathered in one place since Chamberlain gave his speech.
Seems everything since November 2016 has been an utter CF.
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LOL. Roy Moore is a moral degenerate, thinks the Constitution is junk, is a religious zealot of the order of your average muslim rag head and a fairly stupid person who just lost in one of the reddest red states around.......and you are still defending him?
For Christ sakes his dim bulb half wit wife said in public yesterday that they were not bigots because one of their lawyers was Jewish. The Moores deserve to be flushed down the toilet, not defended.
Bullshit Frank! ALL you know about Roy Moore is what the subversive media has told you! Roy has forgotten more about our Constitution than you and many others here will EVER know!
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@LMAO @Jazzhead
Thanks, but I’m just very pessimistic about the future of conservatism.
Just heard Jonah Goldberg say that Bannon doesn’t understand there is no Trumpism without Trump. He keeps trying to make these fringe pseudo-Trump characters happen, but it doesn’t work.
He isn’t the type who’ll bow out gracefully, but hopefully his influence is done.
Conservatism has no future when those who claim to practice it rush to judgement to vilify their own.
It has become another meaningless term, stocked with the ranks of hypocrites and liars who push their personal issues at the expense of the Constitution and all it stands for..
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Seems everything since November 2016 has been an utter CF.
Maybe to liberals, they don't have pro-life values.
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Conservatism has no future when those who claim to practice it rush to judgement to vilify their own.
It has become another meaningless term, stocked with the ranks of hypocrites and liars who push their personal issues at the expense of the Constitution and all it stands for..
To truly have conservatism in governance, it has to start at the top. Our own POTUS isn't conservative. Mixing populism and conservatism is like oil and water. I knew this when the orange clown started his new hobby.
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Roy Moore lost because FAR too many have now been brainwashed in public schools and have exactly NO idea how this once great republic was designed to work!
No, he lost because citizens of his state in this representative republic didn't want him to represent them. As much as you rail against the 17th Amendment, it's the only reason Moore got this close to being a Senator. Under the original Constitutional process, he's farther out on the margin than a phony yearbook signature.
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Maybe to liberals, they don't have pro-life values.
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
So besides placing one SCOTUS judge.......just what has he majorly accomplished?
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@Smokin Joe
I know I'm paranoid but I wonder how many of these people are who they say. How many are real people, real conservatives or even real Americans. We know the left uses paid trolls and bots to manipulate social media. We also know there is no low they will not go to in order to further their agenda. They have virtually unlimited funding supporting their global agenda and nothing else to do.
@driftdiver
You didn't address this to me but I'm going to answer anyway.
I think there are a great many here who are anything but what they claim to be and have said so many times previously.
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Yes, @Restored there would have been an Ethics Committee investigation; not only to get rid of Moore but to grease the skids for the President.
Now the voters have decided in Alabama, just as the voters decided in 2016. Game, set, match.
Go back 40 years? Well, Good!
Let the Games Begin!
Hang every one of those >bleep< in DC! (Oh, after a speedy trial by television, NPR and WaPo)
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Seems everything since November 2016 has been an utter CF.
@catfish1957
By design, the left & egop has been doing its utmost to disrupt the Trump administration. They cannot allow Trump to derail their global agenda and destruction of America. To hear these 'conservatives' parroting the leftist agenda and talking points is vomit inducing.
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To truly have conservatism in governance, it has to start at the top. Our own POTUS isn't conservative. Mixing populism and conservatism is like oil and water. I knew this when the orange clown started his new hobby.
I respectfully disagree. To truly have conservatism in governance, it has to start at the bottom.
Without conservative people, conservative voters will not exist, conservative candidates will not exist, and ultimately, conservative government cannot exist. You cannot build a Conservative government on a foundation of Liberalism and Libertine licentiousness.
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@catfish1957
By design, the left & egop has been doing its utmost to disrupt the Trump administration. They cannot allow Trump to derail their global agenda and destruction of America. To hear these 'conservatives' parroting the leftist agenda and talking points is vomit inducing.
Psssst.... Hate to break it you, but Trump isn't a conservative.
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I respectfully disagree. To truly have conservatism in governance, it has to start at the bottom.
Without conservative people, conservative voters will not exist, conservative candidates will not exist, and ultimately, conservative government cannot exist. You cannot build a Conservative government on a foundation of Liberalism and Libertine licentiousness.
Hell man! We now have a full generation coming on who cannot READ cursive writing and couldn't read an original founding document if they wanted to! We have been destroyed from within and what's coming ain't going to be pretty!
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Hell man! We now have a full generation coming on who cannot READ cursive writing and couldn't read an original founding document if they wanted to! We have been destroyed from within and what's coming ain't going to be pretty!
Yep, I am guessing that now over half of the country is now sucking on the left hind teat of government entitlement. Why would half of the electorate want to give up the free gravy train? Unless there something revolutionary, we are F'ed.
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Psssst.... Hate to break it you, but Trump isn't a conservative.
@catfish1957
Trump was far from my first choice but when it came down to the general election it was him or Hillary.
Trump has done far more conservative things than any other President since Reagan.
So judging by actions since elected he's on the right path, people just can't see through their hate to admit it.
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Bullshit Frank! ALL you know about Roy Moore is what the subversive media has told you! Roy has forgotten more about our Constitution than you and many others here will EVER know!
Thanks for clowning yourself in public here today. I needed a laugh. Your pal Moore thinks everything past the 10th Amendment is garbage and got his lazy stupid ass fired for for violating the Constitution.....twice. He is such a Constitutional scholar he publicly stated that muslims couldn't serve as elected officials because he said ELECTED OFFICIALS NEEDED TO BE SWORN IN ON THE BIBLE. Maybe you can point that out to me in the Constitution.
You keep circling the wagons for a guy so morally and philosophically degenerate that the reddest state in the country chose a jerk who wants 4th trimester abortions instead of him. It's a winner.
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To truly have conservatism in governance, it has to start at the top. Our own POTUS isn't conservative. Mixing populism and conservatism is like oil and water. I knew this when the orange clown started his new hobby.
QFT
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A few posters here owe @CatherineofAragon an apology.
@Hoodat
Thank you, but I don’t want their apologies.
I enjoyed it all—-the accusations of being a liberal who voted for Democrats; of having serious daddy/psycho-sexual issues; of being a slut who posed for Penthouse. It was all part of the Roman spectacle.
Then Bigun smeared my dead father, a veteran who saw wartime combat. One poster—-@Night Hides Not—-called him on it, said it was beyond the pale. His response was to double down and do it again. Right_in_Virginia, who posts articles about veterans with the saluting, flag-waving military emoji, told him he was fine, keep it up.
Lots of crap went down at TOS, but I have to admit, not even those apes dragged my dead parents. See, this is why I say conservatism is dead. People like that will slander a dead veteran and laugh. But they believe listening to a Lee Greenwood song and yelling “ amen†makes them patriots.
That’s what happens when you sell your soul for politics. It rots.
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It would have helped if Moore hadn't shown himself to be an opponent of the Constitution, too.
"No religious test? Who cares...prophet Roy's interpretation of the Bible trumps that worthless rag!"
You are wrong, and you are spreading incorrect ideas, but you don't have sufficient knowledge to debate the subject and be shown how you are wrong.
This is a reoccurring problem.
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Yeah, and he also said that Bannon had nothing to do with the AL election. Guess you forgot the "K Street Rainmaker" quote.
@Frank Cannon
Dude, I can’t keep up with everything!
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@catfish1957
Trump was far from my first choice but when it came down to the general election it was him or Hillary.
Trump has done far more conservative things than any other President since Reagan.
So judging by actions since elected he's on the right path, people just can't see through their hate to admit it.
I understand the choice and I am damn glad Hitlerly didn't get elected. Still, it is beyond frustrating that DJT can not cure or control his innmaturity, stop the vindictiveness, and plainly act like a leader for a change. It is a crime he is squandering his opportunity.
As far as conservatism, I KNOW his political past leanings, and trust him ZERO. I can say that there is at least a 75% chance we will be seeing a left turn from this chameleon before it is over.
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Thanks for clowning yourself in public here today. I needed a laugh. You're pal Moore thinks everything past the 10th Amendment is garbage and got his lazy stupid ass fired for for violating the Constitution.....twice. He is such a Constitutional scholar he publicly stated that muslims couldn't serve as elected officials because he said ELECTED OFFICIALS NEEDED TO BE SWORN IN ON THE BIBLE. Maybe you can point that out to me in the Constitution.
You keep circling the wagons for a guy so morally and philosophically degenerate that the reddest state in the country chose a jerk who wants 4th trimester abortions instead of him. It's a winner.
I'm not the one clowning himself here Frank! That sir would be you! And once again I will tell you that Roy Moore has forgotten more about our Constitution than you and many others here will EVER know!
But that's what happens when you allow the GOOBERNMENT to "educate" people!
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Moore was the problem, not anyone or anything else you previously mentioned. Take the sighin' and cryin' to him.
Incorrect, but people want to believe what they want to believe. Facts just annoy them.
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@Hoodat
Thank you, but I don’t want their apologies.
I enjoyed it all—-the accusations of being a liberal who voted for Democrats; of having serious daddy/psycho-sexual issues; of being a slut who posed for Penthouse. It was all part of the Roman spectacle.
Then Bigun smeared my dead father, a veteran who saw wartime combat. One poster—-@Night Hides Not—-called him on it, said it was beyond the pale. His response was to double down and do it again. Right_in_Virginia, who posts articles about veterans with the saluting, flag-waving military emoji, told him he was fine, keep it up.
Lots of crap went down at TOS, but I have to admit, not even those apes dragged my dead parents. See, this is why I say conservatism is dead. People like that will slander a dead veteran and laugh. But they believe listening to a Lee Greenwood song and yelling “ amen†makes them patriots.
That’s what happens when you sell your soul for politics. It rots.
I am sorry I didn't see those posts, I wish you would have filed a post report... **nononono*
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Then Bigun smeared my dead father, a veteran who saw wartime combat. One poster—-@Night Hides Not—-called him on it, said it was beyond the pale. His response was to double down and do it again. Right_in_Virginia, who posts articles about veterans with the saluting, flag-waving military emoji, told him he was fine, keep it up.
I called you a poor dresser, a Justin Beiber fan and a vegan and I don't even get an honorable mention in your list?
:crying:
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At this point, if every write-in vote had gone for Moore (write-ins being in the 21,000 vote range), Moore would have won. It's close.
Yes, it's the people who refused to make a choice that elected the Evil Party stooge. Evil won out because of an unwillingness to make a decision from the only two possible choices.
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@Hoodat
Thank you, but I don’t want their apologies.
I enjoyed it all—-the accusations of being a liberal who voted for Democrats; of having serious daddy/psycho-sexual issues; of being a slut who posed for Penthouse. It was all part of the Roman spectacle.
Then Bigun smeared my dead father, a veteran who saw wartime combat. One poster—-@Night Hides Not—-called him on it, said it was beyond the pale. His response was to double down and do it again. Right_in_Virginia, who posts articles about veterans with the saluting, flag-waving military emoji, told him he was fine, keep it up.
Lots of crap went down at TOS, but I have to admit, not even those apes dragged my dead parents. See, this is why I say conservatism is dead. People like that will slander a dead veteran and laugh. But they believe listening to a Lee Greenwood song and yelling “ amen†makes them patriots.
That’s what happens when you sell your soul for politics. It rots.
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Yes, @Restored there would have been an Ethics Committee investigation; not only to get rid of Moore but to grease the skids for the President.
Now the voters have decided in Alabama, just as the voters decided in 2016. Game, set, match.
Bingo. Trump's position is helped by Moore's defeat - he can now claim that, in both his case and Moore's, the accusations were vetted by the voters. Moore lost, Trump won - but in each case, the principle holds - the will of the voters must be respected.
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The same way they owed me an apology in November @Hoodat ?
@Right_in_Virginia
The morning after the election, I posted that I was entirely wrong about Trump’s chances, that you all were right. I gave him and you credit for his win and I said I would give him a chance.
Two Trump supporters were graceful enough to respond. You weren’t one of them.
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I called you a poor dresser, a Justin Beiber fan and a vegan and I don't even get an honorable mention in your list?
:crying:
Outside of Carrie Underwood, I have never seen an attractive lady Vegan. Effects of protein deficiency I guess.
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I am sorry I didn't see those posts, I wish you would have filed a post report... **nononono*
She's as big a LIAR as anyone atthe NY Times!
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So the reason why that Moore lost was because of:
1. Deep State
2. Mitch McConnell
3. The Media
4. GOPe
5. The Bilderbergers
6. Free Masons
7. The Stonecutters
Not because he was a s**tty candidate...
Ok..
You left out backstabbers such as yourself repeating accusations in an effort to torpedo the man.
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Are these the same public schools that Roy trolls for trim?
@Frank Cannon
Locked out of the shopping mall AND the National Mall.
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@Smokin Joe
I know I'm paranoid but I wonder how many of these people are who they say. How many are real people, real conservatives or even real Americans. We know the left uses paid trolls and bots to manipulate social media. We also know there is no low they will not go to in order to further their agenda. They have virtually unlimited funding supporting their global agenda and nothing else to do.
@driftdiver I have no idea how many are who or what they claim, but I start by taking them at face value. If anyone here is getting paid, (I could use the money, but I'm not one who is) I have a couple of suspects, but I believe most here are real people who have well-informed (for the most part) opinions and an above average ability to reason. I think there are those who get caught up in an issue and for whatever personal reasons become so emotionally enmeshed that they will not stop and check facts, consider sources, and scrutinize things which emotionally appeal to them or which emotionally justify anger they feel for someone else or something else, perhaps even a past experience which left them frustrated.
We all have our hot button issues.
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In your rush to judgement, kindly don't claim to be a conservative. It doesn't fit. You have, from the start, attacked Roy Moore as if the spurious and decades old allegations against him were gospel, despite the obvious signs that they were not. Despite later shown testimony and evidence they were not. When challenged to produce sources you replied that you were too busy to do others' research for them, but failed to provide your sources. You were not, however too damned busy to spend a crazy number of paragraphs decrying Roy Moore.
For those of us who are Conservatives, the 'hit' on Roy Moore was obvious. The motivation was obvious. The two big issues for him (when he stood up to the Federal Judges trying to legislate from the bench) were the sanctity of marriage and the Ten Commandments monument. Those mean nothing to you. In both cases, he refused to comply with orders which, in one case did not even apply to him or his office.
But no, come forth the allegers, with Gloria Allred waving an altered signature, claiming that during the Carter Administration Roy Moore supposedly engaged in activity with someone under the legal age of consent. How many?
ONE, and only one who claimed he had done any thing with her below the age of consent, and then not even sex, just heavy petting. If I thought that was true, I'd have stood against Moore, myself, but I find, especially in the face of revelations that the girl had a troubled past, didn't live where she supposedly was picked up, and was not credible, nor, for that matter were the allegations of the other person who claimed Moore had been too forward (not a rapist, and she above the age of consent) but who it was disclosed didn't work where she said she had worked, where Moore didn't go to eat, and who even described the layout in exquisite detail but completely wrong. No, I found no credibility in that, furthermore, a little more digging disclosed that these women were serious Democrat supporters.
As for not dating those whose substance abuse problems were reaching their zenith, who had a string of kids behind them, maybe a couple of divorces, or who were for whatever reason unsuitable as a mate, I don't blame Roy Moore at all. That left older women with the same dypsomania, more mileage, and more issues, or younger ones who had none of those problems. Your inflammatory and pejorative statement about cruising dance recitals is out of line, duly noted, and just one more reason that in the past months your opinion has become meaningless to me. If you are looking for work, let me recommend writing for CNN. You'd fit right in, unless there is someone in your past who might today, 50 years later, find your touch offensive in retrospect who can get you canned.
You have ignored facts, refused to even view exculpatory data, refused to provide sources, and taken up the standard against a man whose rulings in court and positions have been staunchly Conservative. Please, don't further your hypocrisy by calling yourself "conservative".
@Smokin Joe
The air in that bubble has to be getting pretty thin by now.
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@Hoodat
Thank you, but I don’t want their apologies.
I enjoyed it all—-the accusations of being a liberal who voted for Democrats; of having serious daddy/psycho-sexual issues; of being a slut who posed for Penthouse. It was all part of the Roman spectacle.
Then Bigun smeared my dead father, a veteran who saw wartime combat. One poster—-@Night Hides Not—-called him on it, said it was beyond the pale. His response was to double down and do it again. Right_in_Virginia, who posts articles about veterans with the saluting, flag-waving military emoji, told him he was fine, keep it up.
Lots of crap went down at TOS, but I have to admit, not even those apes dragged my dead parents. See, this is why I say conservatism is dead. People like that will slander a dead veteran and laugh. But they believe listening to a Lee Greenwood song and yelling “ amen†makes them patriots.
That’s what happens when you sell your soul for politics. It rots.
Oh, please. Politics has nothing to do with it.
YOU ACCUSED ME OF BEING A CHILD MOLESTER.
Even in your previous rant, you implied single men in their 30s who engage in community activities like going to local dance recitals must be preying on teenage girls. I was in a community theater production over the summer. Most of my cast mates were teenage girls; I had no hand in the casting. I made good friends with some of them. Under your standards, that makes me a creepy child molester unfit for political office.
You made this a deeply personal fight. Do not cry victim and act like everyone else is being a meanie. At least when I dish out what I've been served, I'll admit it.
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Bingo. While evangelicals were tripping over themselves defending Moore's dating of teenagers as just country courtin', many old school conservatives were appalled by his disregard for the Constitution and the rule of law.
One thing is for certain, the people who hated him anyway, will keep repeating lies and accusations.
Nobody in Alabama gave a sh*t about your opinions regarding the fake made up "law" from activist judges. Only *you* care about that.
What did Moore in was 11th hour accusations and their repetition by his "allies" who stabbed him in the back.
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I'm not the one clowning himself here Frank! That sir would be you! And once again I will tell you that Roy Moore has forgotten more about our Constitution than you and many others here will EVER know!
You know if you keep saying irrational things over and over, it doesn't make it so.....unless you are a 14 year old girl that Roy likes to hit on.
I have cited specific examples where Roy has either said or was fired over being a Constitutional illiterate. Do you claim that none of that happened?
Roy Moore is a phony loudmouth and a stupid moron.....
Alabama voters restored Moore to the chief justiceship in 2012, but once again he would not finish his term. This time the issue was gay marriage. Like many, Moore feels Obergefell v. Hodges was wrongly decided, but he, further, believed that the Constitution does not require Alabama to recognize same-sex unions legalized by the decision. As in his fight over the Decalogue monument, Moore thought his opinions entitled him to disregard federal court orders. This time he went even further, publicly declaring his resistance to Obergefell and instructing state probate court judges to follow suit, even after federal courts issued orders against Alabama officials. Moore again denied the authority of federal courts, and again the Alabama judicial inquiry commission cut his term short.
In addition to failing to understand the purpose and operation of Article III and the federal judicial power, Moore seems willing to overlook or ignore those provisions with which he disagrees. In late 2006, he called upon members of Congress to exercise their power under Article I, Section 5, of the Constitution to refuse to seat the newly elected Keith Ellison in the House of Representatives because of his Muslim faith, conveniently overlooking that Article VI provides that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.†Moore seems to respect only those constitutional provisions compatible with his worldview.
In a recent interview in Time, Moore claimed, wrongly, that it’s illegal for NFL players not to stand during the national anthem and argued that his critics are the ones who are “confused†about the relationship between state and federal law. Asked how he might address “illegitimate†court opinions, Moore responded: “Justices who put themselves above the Constitution they’re sworn to uphold? They should be . . . removed.†As an Alabama supreme court justice Moore did, and he was—twice.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/roy-moore-is-constitutionally-illiterate/article/2010482 (http://www.weeklystandard.com/roy-moore-is-constitutionally-illiterate/article/2010482)
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Priceless! And true . . .
It is not "true", it is false, but gleefully expressed propaganda of political enemies. The only thing that stopped Moore was accusations.
There is a real problem with objectivity from a lot of people supposedly on "our" side.
They want to believe what they want to believe.
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I am sorry I didn't see those posts, I wish you would have filed a post report... **nononono*
@mystery-ak
I just didn’t see the point, to be honest. As for me being a liar, well, I did ping the member who spoke up, so...
Now that I think of it I wish I hadn’t dragged him into this.
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In my professional work career (35 years or so), I can remember about 20 or so women, who allegedly climbed the corporate ladder via their feminine sexuality.
Maybe its time to re-direct the "Me-Too" focus on these wenches.
Similar to the day care ritual child abuse hysteria of the 80’s, Americans (and the Western world) are now fully gripped in a mass hysteria warlock hunt. This can only end badly for families, community and country.
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Oh, please. Politics has nothing to do with it.
YOU ACCUSED ME OF BEING A CHILD MOLESTER.
Even in your previous rant, you implied single men in their 30s who engage in community activities like going to local dance recitals must be preying on teenage girls. I was in a community theater production over the summer. Most of my cast mates were teenage girls; I had no hand in the casting. I made good friends with some of them. Under your standards, that makes me a creepy child molester unfit for political office.
You made this a deeply personal fight. Do not cry victim and act like everyone else is being a meanie. At least when I dish out what I've been served, I'll admit it.
@jmyrlefuller
Yep I saw that.
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@Frank Cannon
Locked out of the shopping mall AND the National Mall.
000hehehehe
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You left out backstabbers such as yourself repeating accusations in an effort to torpedo the man.
We're just a bunch of nobodies commenting on one political forum out of dozens. All the self righteous harping and gloating here didn't/won't effect anything.
Generally, there was never a better example of the perfect being the enemy of the good. This election just deprived us of a reliable conservative vote - for a supreme court justice, for border control, for welfare reform. It will make all the thing we CLAIM to want here that much harder to achieve.
And the window of opportunity will not stay open forever.
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I called you a poor dresser, a Justin Beiber fan and a vegan and I don't even get an honorable mention in your list?
:crying:
@Frank Cannon
All you’re doing is reminding me that I have some kind of special tolerance for you which might need to be reconsidered.
Poor dresser...really!?
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You know if you keep saying irrational things over and over, it doesn't make it so.....unless you are a 14 year old girl that Roy likes to hit on.
I have cited specific examples where Roy has either said or was fired over being a Constitutional illiterate. Do you claim that none of that happened?
Roy Moore is a phony loudmouth and a stupid moron.....
Alabama voters restored Moore to the chief justiceship in 2012, but once again he would not finish his term. This time the issue was gay marriage. Like many, Moore feels Obergefell v. Hodges was wrongly decided, but he, further, believed that the Constitution does not require Alabama to recognize same-sex unions legalized by the decision. As in his fight over the Decalogue monument, Moore thought his opinions entitled him to disregard federal court orders. This time he went even further, publicly declaring his resistance to Obergefell and instructing state probate court judges to follow suit, even after federal courts issued orders against Alabama officials. Moore again denied the authority of federal courts, and again the Alabama judicial inquiry commission cut his term short.
In addition to failing to understand the purpose and operation of Article III and the federal judicial power, Moore seems willing to overlook or ignore those provisions with which he disagrees. In late 2006, he called upon members of Congress to exercise their power under Article I, Section 5, of the Constitution to refuse to seat the newly elected Keith Ellison in the House of Representatives because of his Muslim faith, conveniently overlooking that Article VI provides that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.†Moore seems to respect only those constitutional provisions compatible with his worldview.
In a recent interview in Time, Moore claimed, wrongly, that it’s illegal for NFL players not to stand during the national anthem and argued that his critics are the ones who are “confused†about the relationship between state and federal law. Asked how he might address “illegitimate†court opinions, Moore responded: “Justices who put themselves above the Constitution they’re sworn to uphold? They should be . . . removed.†As an Alabama supreme court justice Moore did, and he was—twice.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/roy-moore-is-constitutionally-illiterate/article/2010482 (http://www.weeklystandard.com/roy-moore-is-constitutionally-illiterate/article/2010482)
YOU and the Weekly Standard don't get the fact that Roy Moore was upholding the oath he swore to the Alabama Constitution when he did that! And he was removed by a bunch of sick lawyers for doing it!
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Yup. If just those four seats - easy pickings! - had been in GOP hands then ObamaCare would already be history.
Bad candidates vs. good candidates make all the difference.
Calling these people "bad" candidates is simply repeating enemy propaganda. None of them were bad candidates when measured on an objective scale.
The difference is that the Media weapon put them under a microscope to find some quirk that could be exploited to destroy their candidacy. With the same attention applied to Democrats, those Democrats would have suddenly become "bad" candidates too.
People think Luther Strange would have been a good candidate, but had he won the primary, the Democrats would have trotted out the accusation that he conspired with the governor to stop an investigation into wrongdoing on the governor's part in exchange for being appointed to that Senate seat.
Naive people like yourself would have suddenly been confronted with the assertion that Luther Strange was a "bad" candidate.
Grow up. Any candidate opposed by the Washington/New York establishment's media goons will always be a "bad" candidate.
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Thanks for clowning yourself in public here today. I needed a laugh. Your pal Moore thinks everything past the 10th Amendment is garbage and got his lazy stupid ass fired for for violating the Constitution.....twice. He is such a Constitutional scholar he publicly stated that muslims couldn't serve as elected officials because he said ELECTED OFFICIALS NEEDED TO BE SWORN IN ON THE BIBLE. Maybe you can point that out to me in the Constitution.
You keep circling the wagons for a guy so morally and philosophically degenerate that the reddest state in the country chose a jerk who wants 4th trimester abortions instead of him. It's a winner.
Never let facts stand in the way of Bullshit, Frank. He got canned for not following the District Court Judge's order to the Secretary of State to issue marriage licenses to homosexuals. Not only was the order not given to The Court system in Alabama, but the Secretary of State is not in the chain of command for judges there. Moore ordered the judges below him to not issue homosexual marriage licenses which would be in violation of the Alabama Constitution which stated marriage shall be ONLY between one man and one woman. Moore was canned for standing up for the Constitution of Alabama, and considering the voters had approved that Amendment ten years prior by a 4:1 landslide, he was upholding the will of the people of Alabama, too.
For that he got canned.
The other one, was an order to remove a monument to the Ten Commandments, which declared no State Religion, just stated the commandments. If we can't have anything of a religious nature on government property, then remove every cross, every Star of David from every military cemetery because they violate the "separation of church and state", too---after all, they are religious symbols on government property.
Yep, he resisted another district judge on that one and got canned for it, too.
Where in the Constitution does it say queers can get married? Do you think the founders would have approved of that? Where in the Constitution does it say you can't have a religious symbol on public property? That doesn't establish a State Religion through Congress (the ones who are proscribed from doing so), but it does permit the free exercise thereof.
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Poor dresser...really!?
I did, yet the guys who called you a Commie Pinko and said your family were questionable get all the accolades.
You know damn well that my insults really smarted.
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The first 3 said some questionable things but not enough to dump them. The GOP needs to stand by candidates as well. Moore does not belong in that group.
Moore had a problem with personal conduct or misconduct that seemed to affect voters; also won in 2011 by only 52-48 seems a graphic I saw last night on tv. If that is so, it shows a lot of voters already had reservations about him.
Obviously the media-weapon constantly portraying him as a bible thumping loon has nothing to do with the problem.
Obviously the media-weapon repeating and amplifying unprovable accusations also had nothing to do with the problem.
And this is a "Witch."
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@Frank Cannon
Locked out of the shopping mall AND the National Mall.
@CatherineofAragon Both contentions false, of course. Still batting 1.000, I see.
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Oh, please. Politics has nothing to do with it.
YOU ACCUSED ME OF BEING A CHILD MOLESTER.
Even in your previous rant, you implied single men in their 30s who engage in community activities like going to local dance recitals must be preying on teenage girls. I was in a community theater production over the summer. Most of my cast mates were teenage girls; I had no hand in the casting. I made good friends with some of them. Under your standards, that makes me a creepy child molester unfit for political office.
You made this a deeply personal fight. Do not cry victim and act like everyone else is being meanie. At least when I dish out what I've been served, I'll admit it.
@jmyrlefuller, show me the post where I called you a molester. Maybe @driftdiver will, since he “saw†it.
Can you really not see the difference between being involved in a theater production and being friendly with younger members—- and trolling recitals and malls in your free time for date material?
Get it straight, babe, I’m no victim. If you’ll recall, I refused to let y’all shut me up. You won’t be allowed to portray me as such because I called out a person who smeared my dead veteran father.
Unless that kind of thing is okay with you, too...?
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@Sighlass
Bullshit.
First of all, I’m not a Republican. I called myself a conservative up until this mess, but I’m done with that after watching conservatives turn off their brains, put on blinders, throw common decency out the window,
No! It is *YOU* who turned off your brain and threw decency out of the window. You gleefully repeated every nuance of every false allegation made against the man.
You threw stones. Deliberately, and with malice aforethought.
I have no interest in hearing you lecture anyone on "decency."
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"kiddie raper"
Trolling, trolling, trolling
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The MSM has found a winning formula and, apparently, just enough suckers for it to make a difference. Expect alot more of it.
Yeah, the fake straw hat may go the way of the Dodo Bird, but the manure spreaders will be working overtime next time. We have finally reached the tipping point where enough of the electorate can be told bullshit is cotton candy and they come running to eat their fill and proclaim it good.
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I did, yet the guys who called you a Commie Pinko and said your family were questionable get all the accolades.
You know damn well that my insults really smarted.
You're a good man, Frank.
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I did, yet the guys who called you a Commie Pinko and said your family were questionable get all the accolades.
You know damn well that my insults really smarted.
@Frank Cannon
*sigh*
I guess now I have to carve out the time to make a long-winded post on why you’re the scum of the earth. Maybe make it a thread.
Are you happy now??
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Where in the Constitution does it say bleep can get married? Do you think the founders would have approved of that? Where in the Constitution does it say you can't have a religious symbol on public property? That doesn't establish a State Religion through Congress (the ones who are proscribed from doing so), but it does permit the free exercise thereof.
Hey Constitutional scholar. Where does it say anything about marriage in the Constitution? That tells me the founders didn't give a shit.
BTW, are you defending states from defying federal court orders? That's what Moore did to get canned. William Pryor and the AL Supreme Court agreed. They were his boss.
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People think Luther Strange would have been a good candidate, but had he won the primary, the Democrats would have trotted out the accusation that he conspired with the governor to stop an investigation into wrongdoing on the governor's part in exchange for being appointed to that Senate seat.
You’ve mentioned that before. What you’ve omitted is that Strange, being the ‘establishment pick,’ would have made a cogent counter argument to the allegations, unlike Moore on Hannity. Strange would have had a legal team that doesn’t advertise on bus benches. He also would have a competent spokesperson, not a Jim Bakker PTL Club reject.
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No! It is *YOU* who turned off your brain and threw decency out of the window. You gleefully repeated every nuance of every false allegation made against the man.
You threw stones. Deliberately, and with malice aforethought.
I have no interest in hearing you lecture anyone on "decency."
@DiogenesLamp
Fair enough.
All of those women in Alabama who wrote in names can lecture you.
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Ah, but we are. Moore's election would have led to an ethics investigation and the truly divisive prospect of forcing out a member elected by the voters.
That was another false mantra intended to damage his candidacy. Glenn Reynolds made a pretty good legal argument that the Senate would have been powerless to oust him, and it was based on court rulings and "Precedent", of which you are a big fan.
Moore's defeat allows this debacle to be put behind us so we can concentrate on keeping the Senate, which is of course the key to securing conservative jurists. The numbers still favor the GOP - and without Moore's baggage I remain cautiously optimistic.
By stabbing Moore in the back, various other Senators have convinced me that they deserve to lose the next election. I suspect others will feel the same way as do I, and there is a possibility many of them will choose to sit home rather than support people they regard as traitors. Letting one of ours be a scapegoat may very well come back to bite them in the @$$.
Some people consider unprovable accusations against a man from 40 years ago to be a bridge too far. Do you know what I consider to be a bridge too far?
Stabbing our people in the back. There is no reconciliation from supporting the enemy. If Jeff Flake was standing for re-election, I would send a picture of a check I would be writing for his enemy.
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YOU and the Weekly Standard don't get the fact that Roy Moore was upholding the oath he swore to the Alabama Constitution when he did that! And he was removed by a bunch of sick lawyers for doing it!
William Pryor and the AL Supreme Court are sick lawyers? LOL. Good luck with that.
No wonder Roy lost his ass in a solid red state. There is no plausible defense to his stupidity and zealotry.
BTW I noticed you glossed over the part where Constitutional scholar Roy claimed that you needed to be sworn in on a bible to be Constitutionally placed in elected office.
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Yeah, the fake straw hat may go the way of the Dodo Bird, but the manure spreaders will be working overtime next time. We have finally reached the tipping point where enough of the electorate can be told bullshit is cotton candy and they come running to eat their fill and proclaim it good.
On the bright side, now that they also believe we're at that tipping point, a great many of the Big Tent capital R types who joined up back when it was the political thing to do are now finally throwing off pretense of being 'Conservative'.
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Preach it, sister. But don't give up on conservatism. The number of write-ins last night exceeded Jones' margin of victory. Good Alabamians and conservatives who would not let the ends justify the means kept Moore from the Senate.
And what is the end? That the Democrats can stop 100% of certain legislation with that 1% of the power they were handed.
People who think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a good result are just stupid.
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@Frank Cannon
*sigh*
I guess now I have to carve out the time to make a long-winded post on why you’re the scum of the earth. Maybe make it a thread.
Are you happy now??
It's about time I get some recognition around this place.
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One things for sure, conservatives cannot work together. Throw out anything, no matter how weak or even an outright lie and they'll tear each other apart. Nobody is perfect enough for them and they'd rather lose then have an imperfect candidate win.
A bigger bunch of fools hasn't been gathered in one place since Chamberlain gave his speech.
Based on facts and the evidence – exhibit A: reliably Republican Alabama – this appears to be the sad reality.
Which made Trump’s election all that more remarkable. His example, shows us that possessing perfect morals is praiseworthy but incidental to job performance. Trump is flawed, but his actions, his performance, have mitigated his foibles to the benefit of conservatives.
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"We have finally reached the tipping point where enough of the electorate can be told bullshit is cotton candy and they come running to eat their fill and proclaim it good."
@Smokin Joe, TBR, 12/13/2017
Get's my vote for quote of the decade!
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Hey Constitutional scholar. Where does it say anything about marriage in the Constitution? That tells me the founders didn't give a shit.
BTW, are you defending states from defying federal court orders? That's what Moore did to get canned. William Pryor and the AL Supreme Court agreed. They were his boss.
You are right, Marriage was the purview of the Church until the government stepped in and made it a travesty. As for "Federal Court orders" on the marriage issue, the people ordered to issue the licenses were not the judges, but the Secretary of State. That's like ordering a carpenter to build a truck frame of steel--not his job. Moore just stuck with the Alabama Constitution. 10th Amendment and all that: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the People
The power to regulate marriage was not delegated to the United States. Ergo, it has and should have absolutely no say in the matter. Moore was and still is right, the court is out of line and in violation of the US Constitution in ordering the Alabama Government to violate its own State Constitution.
No wonder the Ten Commandments are so reprehensible to that nest of snakes.
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You're a good man, Frank.
Will I get those compliments if every other post, I post some profanity? Maybe? Girly photos?
Oh, well, let's not forget Cruz-Ers stick together. Er, I mean "alleged" Cruz supporters...
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Obviously the media-weapon constantly portraying him as a bible thumping loon has nothing to do with the problem.
He earned the appellation, DL, when he defied a court order to display a billboard to his religion, when he proclaimed that Muslims couldn't serve in Congress unless they swore an oath on a Christian Bible, and when he complained we'd be better off without the 14th and 17th amendments. Just to cite a few examples of his abject looniness.
This fight's over, the people of Alabama have spoken. Give it up, DL, there will be other battles in the future.
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It's about time I get some recognition around this place.
*****rollingeyes*****
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Will I get those compliments if every other post, I post some profanity? Maybe? Girly photos?
Oh, well, let's not forget Cruz-Ers stick together.
Frank better tone it down. Somebody’s jealous.
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On the bright side, now that they also believe we're at that tipping point, a great many of the Big Tent capital R types who joined up back when it was the political thing to do are now finally throwing off pretense of being 'Conservative'.
They are just facing a reality that was obvious to those of us who were on board when Goldwater ran.
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You're a good man, Frank.
@Sanguine
Knock it off. You're ruining my street cred.
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Isn't it time to close this "live" election thread @mystery-ak ?
There is other news we can all argue about.
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Will I get those compliments if every other post, I post some profanity? Maybe? Girly photos?
Oh, well, let's not forget Cruz-Ers stick together.
Tommy. Maybe you will get posts like that if you ever post something coherent.
Cruz 2020!
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@Smokin Joe, TBR, 12/13/2017
Get's my vote for quote of the decade!
This gets mine.....
Roy Moore's Horse
@RoyMooresHorse
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I HAD NO CHOICE
I KNOW THINGS ABOUT ROY MOORE THAT WILL HAUNT YOUR SOUL
https://mobile.twitter.com/RoyMooresHorse?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcrooksandliars.com%2F2017%2F12%2Fhorse-twitter-goes-after-roy-moore
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This gets mine.....
Roy Moore's Horse
@RoyMooresHorse
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16h
I HAD NO CHOICE
I KNOW THINGS ABOUT ROY MOORE THAT WILL HAUNT YOUR SOUL
https://mobile.twitter.com/RoyMooresHorse?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcrooksandliars.com%2F2017%2F12%2Fhorse-twitter-goes-after-roy-moore
OhhhhhhKay! You believe quote a talking tweeting horse? **nononono*
QED
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They are just facing a reality that was obvious to those of us who were on board when Goldwater ran.
I suppose so. Watching it develop year after year is still appalling though.
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Isn't it time to close this "live" election thread @mystery-ak ?
There is other news we can all argue about.
No. I looked at the threads you are posting today and they are boring. I'll stay here.
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Will I get those compliments if every other post, I post some profanity? Maybe? Girly photos?
Oh, well, let's not forget Cruz-Ers stick together. Er, I mean "alleged" Cruz supporters...
Is Frank a Cruzer? I didn't know that! I like him even better. :laugh:
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Is Frank a Cruzer? I didn't know that! I like him even better. :laugh:
I still have the sticker on my car.
(http://vonbeau.com/images/uploads/ted-cruz-2016-bumper-sticker.png)
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I suppose so. Watching it develop year after year still appalls me though.
It is hard watching something you love eaten by termites, and trashed by fools, and finding that despite all reason you are powerless to stop people from insisting on its destruction, when there will be nothing to equal it for a long time, if ever. I can understand the sentiment of those who watched as the golden age of any civilization passed.
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I still have the sticker on my car.
(http://vonbeau.com/images/uploads/ted-cruz-2016-bumper-sticker.png)
I'm ignoring you so that I don't ruin your image.
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OhhhhhhKay! You believe quote a talking tweeting horse? **nononono*
QED
You’re just envious she’s wittier than you and has a bigger following.
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Interesting to see that so many here don't find it disturbing that someone no Conservative would remotely want in office has been elected, propelled into office by a wave of absolute tabloid level sewage.
It doesn't bother people here that a man's good name has been repeatedly and continuously sullied on the basis of shaky allegations which have been shown to be false or to be based on falsified materials, questionable allegations that date back to the Carter Administration. Some of you have carried the firebrand even here, calling for more wood around the stake.
Yet not one of you was howling for the prosecution of Hillary's well known, well documented, and lucrative crimes affecting National Security not ten years ago.
It puts a new spin on "If it bleeds it leads", not that Hillary hasn't blood on her hands.
That the presumption of innocence has been so readily discarded to gleefully attack a man who has stood in the breach for traditional marriage to the point he lost a prestigious job over it, by people who claim to support the Constitution is a disturbing development, indeed.
The Democrats (Yes, Virginia, there was not one Republican among his accusers and their repeater broadcast network at WaPo), the MSM who played the same 24/7 stuff until people mumbled it in their sleep using the same buzzwords as the Media, and Mitch McConnell, all too happy to throw Moore umder the buss because his buddy didn't get the nomination.
And, yes, the GOPe, who just didn't want Moore privy to the stuff they do in DC because he's the kind of guy who has a track record for standing up for what he thinks is right, and that might not play well with the Kings of K Street.
But even more, I must credit the suckers of America, the great people who believe what they hear and see on teevee, who buy overpriced stuff shown on late-night half hour commercials and give the extra one as a gift (just pay an extra fee, 'cause shipping is free). It is the gullible of America who will conquer this country from within, who (once again) have raised their heads from whatever picture book they and sounding out the captions and spewed an opinion that would keep the inevitable fickle finger of national attention pointed somewhere else, so their secretary doesn't twist off in a fit of pique and expose a stray pat or touch and claim she, too, has been wronged and the offender should hang after a fast trial by allegation in the court of public opinion.
If this is the world you want, it is the world you get.
When the day comes, stand proudly in front of your Creator and receive the reward you so richly deserve.
In the meantime the slaughter of innocents will continue unopposed, in fact, supported by the new guy from Alabama, and even one here who brays often about being proud voting for the most pro life president, etc, stood in opposition to the candidate who would have fought for the unborn to have something other than an express ticket to the waste bin or a human parts supply house.
For those of you gloating over this loss, you lose, too. The veil has been ripped from your hypocrisy. You don't want Constitutional Government, You don't want a Republic, nor the protections of a presumption of innocence--you want mob rule, and blood in the streets. A chicken in every pot and some SOB hanging from every lamppost. You are one step closer to getting your wish. When things have finally degraded to be as they were in the times of Noah, we'll see what trumps what. Opinions won't matter in the face of His wrath.
Astute, objective, and clear thinking, however I am thinking that Matthew 7:6 applies here.
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No. I looked at the threads you are posting today and they are boring. I'll stay here.
Party on, @Frank Cannon
Lost battles are always worth drowning in. :beer:
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You’re just envious she’s wittier than you and has a bigger following.
I don't play little bluebird games, so, we're not in the same league. Besides, I'm not here or anywhere looking for a following. No envy involved.
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Told you so.
Effing idiots.
What a coincidence! That is the first thing that pops into my head whenever I see you and a few others have left some sort of message.
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Tommy. Maybe you will get posts like that if you ever post something coherent.
Cruz 2020!
Yeah! Let's run another religious zealot @Frank Cannon ... this time nationally!!! 888high58888
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It is hard watching something you love eaten by termites, and trashed by fools, and finding that despite all reason you are powerless to stop people from insisting on its destruction, when there will be nothing to equal it for a long time, if ever. I can understand the sentiment of those who watched as the golden age of any civilization passed.
:amen: Exceedingly hard!
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We can only hope....
In essence, Alabama's message to Roy Moore was "... and the horse you rode in on!". It does not mean that Alabama has suddenly gone blue or even purple; it is still a solidly Republican state, for now.
A better candidate... any better candidate in fact, would have likely changed the results.
Like Luther Strange? (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2017/08/08/controversial-appointment-clouds-us-senate-race-alabama/550513001/) God! Why do I even bother?
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No way. I listened to Breitbart radio for a few minutes this morning out of curiousity, and he was on and unrepentant.
He has done nothing for which he should be repentant. He did the best that anyone could have done with the situation that was handed to him.
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Yeah! Let's run another religious zealot @Frank Cannon ... this time nationally!!! 888high58888
Well we also had a gay guy run last election and it wasn't a big deal....
(https://i.imgur.com/HFGuSXs.gif)
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It is hard watching something you love eaten by termites, and trashed by fools, and finding that despite all reason you are powerless to stop people from insisting on its destruction, when there will be nothing to equal it for a long time, if ever. I can understand the sentiment of those who watched as the golden age of any civilization passed.
Amen.
And thanks, I really appreciate your well reasoned thoughts.
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OhhhhhhKay! You believe quote a talking tweeting horse? **nononono*
QED
@Smokin Joe
It’s....it’s called humor. @edpc doesn’t really believe that a horse can...
Never mind.
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LOL. Nice try. Roy Moore was garbage before these scandals. He is a jackass, a moron, Steve Bannon stooge, a phony bible thumping Jesus freak, a perpetual loser. Even if you remove the fact that he admitted to playing big boy games with little girls, he was still wearing a leather vest, cowboy hat, waving a gun and riding a horse in Alabama in 2017. Maybe he can win a Yosemite Sam contest somewhere.
Who was going to win quite decisively before these unprovable allegations ginned up by the Washington Post were spread across the American airwaves.
And so you now give us "sour grapes" as your well thought out explanation for what happened?
For some reason I had been thinking of you as smarter than the average bear.
Moore would have stomped Jones with no allegations. All of the things to which you object regarding Moore's personality would not have been objectionable to people from Alabama.
You don't get 22,000 "write in" votes because someone rode a horse or showed off a gun.
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Party on, @Frank Cannon
Lost battles are always worth drowning in. :beer:
Tell Trump. He’s probably going to tweet for the next three weeks about why he only pretended to support Moore.
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I don't play little bluebird games.....
Roy did. That’s what got him in this fine mess.
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Well we also had a gay guy run last election and it wasn't a big deal....
(https://i.imgur.com/HFGuSXs.gif)
What??
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Tell Trump. He’s probably going to tweet for the next three weeks about why he only pretended to support Moore.
Careful dear .... your bitterness is bleeding through.
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Roy did. That’s what got him in this fine mess.
Yeah! Right! That cotton candy you're gorging on is really delicious isn't it!
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He has done nothing for which he should be repentant. He did the best that anyone could have done with the situation that was handed to him.
He wasn’t ‘handed’ anything. He created it. Bannon was endorsing Moore prior to the run off.
http://wiat.com/2017/08/29/steven-bannon-endorses-roy-moore/ (http://wiat.com/2017/08/29/steven-bannon-endorses-roy-moore/)
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Interesting to see that so many here don't find it disturbing that someone no Conservative would remotely want in office has been elected, propelled into office by a wave of absolute tabloid level sewage.
It doesn't bother people here that a man's good name has been repeatedly and continuously sullied on the basis of shaky allegations which have been shown to be false or to be based on falsified materials, questionable allegations that date back to the Carter Administration. Some of you have carried the firebrand even here, calling for more wood around the stake.
Yet not one of you was howling for the prosecution of Hillary's well known, well documented, and lucrative crimes affecting National Security not ten years ago.
It puts a new spin on "If it bleeds it leads", not that Hillary hasn't blood on her hands.
That the presumption of innocence has been so readily discarded to gleefully attack a man who has stood in the breach for traditional marriage to the point he lost a prestigious job over it, by people who claim to support the Constitution is a disturbing development, indeed.
The Democrats (Yes, Virginia, there was not one Republican among his accusers and their repeater broadcast network at WaPo), the MSM who played the same 24/7 stuff until people mumbled it in their sleep using the same buzzwords as the Media, and Mitch McConnell, all too happy to throw Moore umder the buss because his buddy didn't get the nomination.
And, yes, the GOPe, who just didn't want Moore privy to the stuff they do in DC because he's the kind of guy who has a track record for standing up for what he thinks is right, and that might not play well with the Kings of K Street.
But even more, I must credit the suckers of America, the great people who believe what they hear and see on teevee, who buy overpriced stuff shown on late-night half hour commercials and give the extra one as a gift (just pay an extra fee, 'cause shipping is free). It is the gullible of America who will conquer this country from within, who (once again) have raised their heads from whatever picture book they and sounding out the captions and spewed an opinion that would keep the inevitable fickle finger of national attention pointed somewhere else, so their secretary doesn't twist off in a fit of pique and expose a stray pat or touch and claim she, too, has been wronged and the offender should hang after a fast trial by allegation in the court of public opinion.
If this is the world you want, it is the world you get.
When the day comes, stand proudly in front of your Creator and receive the reward you so richly deserve.
In the meantime the slaughter of innocents will continue unopposed, in fact, supported by the new guy from Alabama, and even one here who brays often about being proud voting for the most pro life president, etc, stood in opposition to the candidate who would have fought for the unborn to have something other than an express ticket to the waste bin or a human parts supply house.
For those of you gloating over this loss, you lose, too. The veil has been ripped from your hypocrisy. You don't want Constitutional Government, You don't want a Republic, nor the protections of a presumption of innocence--you want mob rule, and blood in the streets. A chicken in every pot and some SOB hanging from every lamppost. You are one step closer to getting your wish. When things have finally degraded to be as they were in the times of Noah, we'll see what trumps what. Opinions won't matter in the face of His wrath.
I think I might print this one out to post over my desk here in my lab.
Personally, I am the most upset about the way this stupid election has damaged our little community here. I had (I had to edit the word, I typed "have") good friends that won't talk to me anymore, not because I took the wrong stand, but because I didn't want to take a stand at all. I didn't consider it my business, I have my hands full with the crap Arizona politics is spewing.
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@Smokin Joe
It’s....it’s called humor. @edpc doesn’t really believe that a horse can...
Never mind.
Maybe he does. There was a documentary about it years ago....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Vw2Zz3ulHYE92/giphy.gif)
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Yeah! Right! That cotton candy you're gorging on is really delicious isn't it!
I’d offer you some, but you’ve still got plenty of egg on your face left to eat from falling for that Roy Moore Is Suing His Accusers! phony tweet you posted everywhere between rub outs the other night.
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Maybe he does. There was a documentary about it years ago....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Vw2Zz3ulHYE92/giphy.gif)
Dammit Wilbur! There you go again!
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We can blame the media, blame the GOPe, blame the Democrat slime machine, etc. Bottom line: Moore was not a good candidate.
Geez, it's like "group think" or something! I really expected better from you. I've noted your writing and discernment in the past, and you seem to have eschewed your previously demonstrated abilities in signing off on this statement.
This position dramatically conflicts with the evidence (in the way of polls leading up to the accusations) that Moore was going to stomp Jones.
Moore was not a "bad" candidate until just the last few weeks. He was in fact an exceptionally good candidate by objective standards until these "out of the dark" allegations against him were put forth and spread by his political enemies, most especially many in his own party.
Do you have some way of discerning that bad accusations are going to appear out of nowhere to make a candidate 'bad"? Pray tell how you do this, so we can avoid any future incidents in which unprovable charges will be leveled against one of our people from 40 years ago. It would save us all a lot of time and trouble.
He took his handlers' advice and laid low for the last several weeks of the campaign, and that (plus Shelby's rejection) cost him the election.
Now you're getting closer to an objective analysis, though I don't think more campaigning by Moore would have changed anything. People had had a long time to make up their minds, and after the anti-Moore "preference cascade" spurred by his "allies" had already flipped so many people, it was unlikely that they would rethink their position with more rallies by Moore.
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The next person who tells me I have to vote for the Republican candidate to "save us from the Democrats" is going to get a punch in the nose.
Unless you are a complete moron, this election should prove to you once and for all that the Republicans are just as corrupt, incompetent, lying and backstabbing as the Democrats and certainly as liberal. They can't even be loyal to and support their own candidate in an election. In fact, they actively worked to sabotage his election. All because they were in a snit because their handpicked candidate in the primaries wad rejected by the voters. The candidate was a conservative and the party hates conservatives. If you are a conservative, you do not have a home in the Republican party. If all that isn't clear to you after this election debacle, I don't know what I can do to make you understand.
Here and now, I declare I won't be voting Republican ever again. Let the Democrats take over -- looks like they will anyway. Sorry, Republicans, you lost my membership and now you've lost my vote. Hey, if you don't care if you win or lose, why should I?
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :hands:
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I’d offer you some, but you’ve still got plenty of egg on your face left to eat from falling for that Roy Moore Is Suing His Accusers! phony tweet you posted everywhere between rub outs the other night.
Don't forget that Roy is refocusing his attention to stopping evil in the world.....
The interviewer noted that Ronald Reagan once said that the Soviet Union was the focus of evil in the modern world.
“You could say that very well about America, couldn’t you?†Moore replied.
“Do you think?†the interviewer replied.
“Well, we promote a lot of bad things,†Moore said. Asked for an example, Moore replied, “Like same-sex marriage.†It was Moore’s refusal to uphold the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision on same-sex marriage that led to his second ouster from Alabama’s court.
When the interviewer noted that Putin makes the same argument, Moore didn’t blink.
“Maybe Putin is right,†Moore replied. “Maybe he’s more akin to me than I know.â€
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/12/08/roy-moore-america-was-great-in-era-of-slavery-is-now-focus-of-evil-in-the-world/?utm_term=.923638cbbd4d (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/12/08/roy-moore-america-was-great-in-era-of-slavery-is-now-focus-of-evil-in-the-world/?utm_term=.923638cbbd4d)
God Bless the Soviet Union - Roy "Kiddie Raper" Moore
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I’d offer you some, but you’ve still got plenty of egg on your face left to eat from falling for that Roy Moore Is Suing His Accusers! phony tweet you posted everywhere between rub outs the other night.
Don't bother! I can see and smell that it's really BS and I'm not about to eat any!
And we'll see who has the egg on their face going forward.
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Bullshit. It was the supporters of Constitutional Government and the rule of law who recognized the danger of a self-styled nihilist like Roy Moore.
Yes, 22,000 "write ins" were the result of great deliberative thought about the role of constitutional governance in our lives.
We have 22,000 political philosophers in Alabama.
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A few posters here owe @CatherineofAragon an apology.
If you are going to make a joke, you need to come up with something funnier than that.
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Careful dear .... your bitterness is bleeding through.
Not bitterness when it's the truth.
President Donald Trump on Wednesday declared himself “right!†after being wrong twice.
In an early morning tweet, the commander-in-chief backpedaled from his endorsement of Roy Moore after the Republican candidate lost to Democrat Doug Jones in Alabama’s special Senate election on Tuesday.
http://fortune.com/2017/12/13/roy-moore-trump-alabama-senate-race/ (http://fortune.com/2017/12/13/roy-moore-trump-alabama-senate-race/)
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And we'll see who has the egg on their face going forward.
Still, you dude.......
BTW, today’s histrionics is not helping you.
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Bullshit. It was the supporters of Constitutional Government and the rule of law who recognized the danger of a self-styled nihilist like Roy Moore.
Democrats do not support Constitutional government...period. The only BS around here is you pushing that particular meme.
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Careful dear .... your bitterness is bleeding through.
At least she's not bleeding through her whatevers. ^-^
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LOL. Roy Moore is a moral degenerate, thinks the Constitution is junk, is a religious zealot of the order of your average muslim rag head and a fairly stupid person who just lost in one of the reddest red states around.......and you are still defending him?
(http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-that-s-not-right-that-s-not-even-wrong-wolfgang-pauli-53-1-0166.jpg)
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It really scorches you to your core when the President is right, doesn't it @txradioguy 88devil
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I’d offer you some, but you’ve still got plenty of egg on your face left to eat from falling for that Roy Moore Is Suing His Accusers! phony tweet you posted everywhere between rub outs the other night.
Once the recount is over, I hope he does sue.
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Careful dear .... your bitterness is bleeding through.
@Right_in_Virginia
Know what I get a kick out of? Your sober, interested-only-in-policy act here, while elsewhere you squeal "I just love this president!!!" when somebody posts a requested fan pic.
Fun times!
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Don't forget that Roy is refocusing his attention to stopping evil in the world.....
The interviewer noted that Ronald Reagan once said that the Soviet Union was the focus of evil in the modern world.
“You could say that very well about America, couldn’t you?†Moore replied.
“Do you think?†the interviewer replied.
“Well, we promote a lot of bad things,†Moore said. Asked for an example, Moore replied, “Like same-sex marriage.†It was Moore’s refusal to uphold the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision on same-sex marriage that led to his second ouster from Alabama’s court.
When the interviewer noted that Putin makes the same argument, Moore didn’t blink.
“Maybe Putin is right,†Moore replied. “Maybe he’s more akin to me than I know.â€
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/12/08/roy-moore-america-was-great-in-era-of-slavery-is-now-focus-of-evil-in-the-world/?utm_term=.923638cbbd4d (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/12/08/roy-moore-america-was-great-in-era-of-slavery-is-now-focus-of-evil-in-the-world/?utm_term=.923638cbbd4d)
God Bless the Soviet Union - Roy "Kiddie Raper" Moore
Once more, with feeling....
Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Nowhere in the Constitution of the United States is the power to regulate marriage, in any sense, delegated to the Federal Government.
The Alabama Constitution, by Amendment voted for by 81% of the electorate specified that marriage is to be only between one man and one woman. That specification in the Constitution of the State of Alabama, especially with the overwhelming approval of the voters is law, and is compliant with the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
A federal Judge--ANY Federal Judge ruling to overturn the Constitution of The State of Alabama (or any other State) on the matter concerning marriage is usurping an authority not Granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution of the United States. The ruling should be void.
At least the Soviets are honest about their dictatorship/oligarchy.
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Still, you dude.......
BTW, today’s histrionics is not helping you.
According to the person gobbling down bullshit and calling it good!
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Roy Moore tried to run a Rose Garden campaign. That kind of laziness doesn't work when you've got the entire Democratic Party and half the Republicans running against you.
He won the primary on reputation. The Democrats won by smearing that reputation.
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@jmyrlefuller, show me the post where I called you a molester. Maybe @driftdiver will, since he “saw†it.
Can you really not see the difference between being involved in a theater production and being friendly with younger members—- and trolling recitals and malls in your free time for date material?
Get it straight, babe, I’m no victim. If you’ll recall, I refused to let y’all shut me up. You won’t be allowed to portray me as such because I called out a person who smeared my dead veteran father.
Unless that kind of thing is okay with you, too...?
@CatherineofAragon
yes you're a perfect angel, you've been wronged but have never done wrong. Nope you treat all with respect and love.
bwahahahahahahaha
we need a tiny violin emoji
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Yes, 22,000 "write ins" were the result of great deliberative thought about the role of constitutional governance in our lives.
We have 22,000 political philosophers in Alabama.
Well, it's easier to produce write in votes and discard the inconvenient ones than just monkey with the numbers in a head to head matchup.
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Once the recount is over, I hope he does sue.
@jmyrlefuller
So were you able to pull up that post where I called you a child molester? Put it out here, and if I did it, I'll apologize.
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Oh yeah pal? Show me where I am wrong about your Hero Roy the kiddie raper....
Kiddie raper? Yeah, you are one class act.
And the point of discourse with you is what? What possible argument could be put forth to sway the mind of someone who characterizes a man as a "kiddie raper" on the basis of dubious accusations deliberately spread by his enemies?
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Once more, with feeling....
Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America
Nowhere in the Constitution of the United States is the power to regulate marriage, in any sense, delegated to the Federal Government.
The Alabama Constitution, by Amendment voted for by 81% of the electorate specified that marriage is to be only between one man and one woman. That specification in the Constitution of the State of Alabama, especially with the overwhelming approval of the voters is law, and is compliant with the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
A federal Judge--ANY Federal Judge ruling to overturn the Constitution of The State of Alabama (or any other State) on the matter concerning marriage is usurping an authority not Granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution of the United States. The ruling should be void.
At least the Soviets are honest about their dictatorship/oligarchy.
So the Constitution covers gays making the United States the focus of evil in the modern world and that is why Moore is akin to Putin?
You can defend this azzhole dirtbag comment Moore made. Most rational, America loving people will run away from it.
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Kiddie raper? Yeah, you are one class act.
And the point of discourse with you is what? What possible argument could be put forth to sway the mind of someone who characterizes a man as a "kiddie raper" on the basis of dubious accusations deliberately spread by his enemies?
The point of discourse for me today is to laugh and mock people who are circling the wagons around a piece of human shit who got fully rejected by a solid red state last night.
I know I shouldn't make fun of Moore too much. His lawyer is Jewish after all.
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@CatherineofAragon
yes you're a perfect angel, you've been wronged but have never done wrong. Nope you treat all with respect and love.
bwahahahahahahaha
we need a tiny violin emoji
@driftdiver
Oh, HELL, no, I'm not even yelling distance to an angel.
But for the record, I'll put you down as yet another who has no problem with insulting a dead veteran.
'Murica!
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No, he lost because citizens of his state in this representative republic didn't want him to represent them.
Well they did so by large margins until only a short time ago. You are espousing an "effect" without a "cause."
What caused the change in the opinions of his fellow citizens?
You are ignoring the causality. By not understanding the nature of what happened, you won't be prepared to deal with it when it happens again in the future.
The same trick will get played on some, over and over and over again.
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The next person who tells me I have to vote for the Republican candidate to "save us from the Democrats" is going to get a punch in the nose.
Unless you are a complete moron, this election should prove to you once and for all that the Republicans are just as corrupt, incompetent, lying and backstabbing as the Democrats and certainly as liberal. They can't even be loyal to and support their own candidate in an election. In fact, they actively worked to sabotage his election. All because they were in a snit because their handpicked candidate in the primaries wad rejected by the voters. The candidate was a conservative and the party hates conservatives. If you are a conservative, you do not have a home in the Republican party. If all that isn't clear to you after this election debacle, I don't know what I can do to make you understand.
Here and now, I declare I won't be voting Republican ever again. Let the Democrats take over -- looks like they will anyway. Sorry, Republicans, you lost my membership and now you've lost my vote. Hey, if you don't care if you win or lose, why should I?
@Applewood
It sounds better if you stamp your feel and scream loudly. it really completes the little baby girl image.
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Psssst.... Hate to break it you, but Trump isn't a conservative.
Neither was Bush, but he made all the right noises to keep the dupes fooled. Bush talked a good game but did little in the way of action.
Trump is giving us action, or was, until some of his "allies" helped throw this stumbling block into his path.
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Well they did so by large margins until only a short time ago. You are espousing an "effect" without a "cause."
What caused the change in the opinions of his fellow citizens?
You are ignoring the causality. By not understanding the nature of what happened, you won't be prepared to deal with it when it happens again in the future.
The same trick will get played on some, over and over and over again.
@DiogenesLamp
They sure didnt mind the out of state money that helped elect jones
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Neither was Bush, but he made all the right noises to keep the dupes fooled. Bush talked a good game but did little in the way of action.
Trump is giving us action, or was, until some of his "allies" helped throw this stumbling block into his path.
@DiogenesLamp
Now the republicans can just say "we dont have the votes in the Senate"
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@DiogenesLamp
Now the republicans can just say "we dont have the votes in the Senate"
Yep, all the perks, none of the responsibility, that's the "GOPe Way."
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Thanks for clowning yourself in public here today. I needed a laugh. Your pal Moore thinks everything past the 10th Amendment is garbage
He thinks Most of the Amendments past the 10th were garbage, and so do I. I have thought this since long before I ever heard of Roy Moore, but I'm sure you won't bother to debate the actual pros and cons of the amendments after the first 10, because it's easier to mock than it is to think, and some people are just too lazy to do anything else.
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The candidate was a conservative and the party hates conservatives. If you are a conservative, you do not have a home in the Republican party. If all that isn't clear to you after this election debacle, I don't know what I can do to make you understand.
Oh, stop whining, Applewood. Mo Brooks and Luther Strange are good conservatives, and either would have coasted to victory with the full support of the Republican party. Moore lost because he was an astonishingly bad candidate, with baggage both legal and moral, and he was lazy as hell to boot.
The GOP, and President Trump, dodged a bullet with the defeat of this assclown. The voters rejected Moore just as they elected President Trump. May the voters' choices be respected.
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He thinks Most of the Amendments past the 10th were garbage, and so do I. I have thought this since long before I ever heard of Roy Moore, but I'm sure you won't bother to debate the actual pros and cons of the amendments after the first 10, because it's easier to mock than it is to think, and some people are just too lazy to do anything else.
Several of those amendments were ratified under the business end of guns but that shouldn't matter should it? /s
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@driftdiver
Oh, HELL, no, I'm not even yelling distance to an angel.
But for the record, I'll put you down as yet another who has no problem with insulting a dead veteran.
'Murica!
@CatherineofAragon
No, I didn't insult a dead veteran and you know it. But as usualy you speak with your emotions and bitchyness.
You are mean and nasty to anyone who doesn't agree with you and then act all offended when you get called on it.
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You know if you keep saying irrational things over and over, it doesn't make it so.....unless you are a 14 year old girl that Roy likes to hit on.
I have cited specific examples where Roy has either said or was fired over being a Constitutional illiterate. Do you claim that none of that happened?
I do. What you have cited were accusations, and for some reason in your mind they have the weight of actual proven facts.
Would love to explore the "Constitutional" claims you are making, but can see it would be rather pointless to nail down some actual truth.
We don't need it anymore. We don't debate, we trade mindless imprecations.
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Keep it relatively civil and stay away from personal insults. That's all we ask.
Pissing contests result in both sides losing and becoming damp.
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@CatherineofAragon
No, I didn't insult a dead veteran and you know it. But as usualy you speak with your emotions and bitchyness.
You are mean and nasty to anyone who doesn't agree with you and then act all offended when you get called on it.
Quite a comment from a person who got a thread shut down by posting nasty religious comments.
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@driftdiver
No, I didn't insult a dead veteran and you know it.
Where'd I say you did?
But as usualy you speak with your emotions and bitchyness.
You are mean and nasty to anyone who doesn't agree with you and then act all offended when you get called on it.
Insult my dead father, who put his life on the line for your ass, I'm the meanest bitch you ever saw. Same if you try to excuse the insult or if you have a problem with me calling it out.
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Similar to the day care ritual child abuse hysteria of the 80’s, Americans (and the Western world) are now fully gripped in a mass hysteria warlock hunt. This can only end badly for families, community and country.
When I was growing up, My sixth grade teacher was a big fan of World War II. He had brought numerous books on the subject to the class, and many of us were enthralled.
Since that time, I have been involved in innumerable debates regarding Hitler's rise to power, and how so many Germans could have turned into such vicious people regarding the Jews. Till the 21st century came along, I and my friends could make no headway in explaining this intractable problem of how the Germans went full Nazi.
Now I grasp the role of "Preference Cascade" (Positive Feedback Loop) and propaganda in achieving "group think" the sort of which causes otherwise decent people to turn into monsters.
Since the rise of Obama, I now see how fascism gains a grip on a populace.
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@driftdiver
Where'd I say you did?
Insult my dead father, who put his life on the line for your ass, I'm the meanest bitch you ever saw. Same if you try to excuse the insult or if you have a problem with me calling it out.
@CatherineofAragon
Do you even read what you post? Perhaps its a comprehension problem. Maybe you just need to relax and calm down. Have a glass of wine and some midol.
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Oh, stop whining, Applewood. Mo Brooks and Luther Strange are good conservatives, and either would have coasted to victory with the full support of the Republican party. Moore lost because he was an astonishingly bad candidate, with baggage both legal and moral, and he was lazy as hell to boot.
The GOP, and President Trump, dodged a bullet with the defeat of this assclown. The voters rejected Moore just as they elected President Trump. May the voters' choices be respected.
The fact Moore was outspent 14 to 1 probably has nothing to do with it, right?
Spare us the bloviating.
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The election is over, so hey! Let's turn on one another! Yay.
Instead, we might consider supporting actual constitutional conservatives who will run for the US Senate in 2018. In my state, Patrick Morrisey will face Joe Manchin, if he can win the GOP primary inMay.
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Thank you all for helping out. I sure would hate to close this down because a few people just can't control themselves.
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The election is over, so hey! Let's turn on one another! Yay.
Instead, we might consider supporting actual constitutional conservatives who will run for the US Senate in 2018. In my state, Patrick Morrisey will face Joe Manchin, if he can win the GOP primary inMay.
Why would a decent person put themselves and their family thru this kind of junk?
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Like Luther Strange? (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2017/08/08/controversial-appointment-clouds-us-senate-race-alabama/550513001/) God! Why do I even bother?
Yes, even Luther Strange would have beaten Doug Jones.
Conservatives ought not demand perfection in their candidates. But they have every reason to reject ones who are deeply, and in electoral terms, fatally, flawed.
Partisanship isn’t worth grotesque moral compromise. h/t - David French
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The election is over, so hey! Let's turn on one another! Yay.
Instead, we might consider supporting actual constitutional conservatives who will run for the US Senate in 2018. In my state, Patrick Morrisey will face Joe Manchin, if he can win the GOP primary inMay.
What makes you think they'll be treated any differently?
Rinse, wash, repeat.
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We're just a bunch of nobodies commenting on one political forum out of dozens. All the self righteous harping and gloating here didn't/won't effect anything.
Ever hear of six degrees of separation? The "butterfly effect"? To assert that none of this could have any effect is not a well thought out position.
It may very well have had an effect, and unless every connection with everything that happened here is explored, we cannot accurately say that it didn't.
What we can say would have had no deleterious effects is refusing to help the enemy spread their propaganda. This can be proven by the logic of cause preceding effect. If there is no "cause", there can be no "effect."
Generally, there was never a better example of the perfect being the enemy of the good. This election just deprived us of a reliable conservative vote - for a supreme court justice, for border control, for welfare reform. It will make all the thing we CLAIM to want here that much harder to achieve.
And the window of opportunity will not stay open forever.
In the larger scope of things, there is this concept in politics called "momentum." Politics is cyclic after a fashion, and this "act" has given the Democrats a boost to help flip the normal rotation of politics to begin earlier than it otherwise might have done.
It will likely cause the next cycle to start earlier and progress deeper than it otherwise would have done.
Marginal potential wins in the off year elections have moved some number of points closer to Democrat wins as a result of what happened.
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The election is over, so hey! Let's turn on one another! Yay.
Instead, we might consider supporting actual constitutional conservatives who will run for the US Senate in 2018. In my state, Patrick Morrisey will face Joe Manchin, if he can win the GOP primary inMay.
:amen: This wins the most intelligent post in this thread today! We need to be supporting constitutional conservatives; we already know that with the likes of McConnell and Ryan leading things, they're odds of winning are drastically reduced to begin with.
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He thinks Most of the Amendments past the 10th were garbage, and so do I. I have thought this since long before I ever heard of Roy Moore, but I'm sure you won't bother to debate the actual pros and cons of the amendments after the first 10, because it's easier to mock than it is to think, and some people are just too lazy to do anything else.
LOL. I'm not wasting time on that stupidity. The people here who wrap themselves up in the Founders to get back to "original intent" now think the mechanism they put in place to correct problems is garbage.
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Hey Constitutional scholar. Where does it say anything about marriage in the Constitution? That tells me the founders didn't give a shit.
"Federalism". Do you speak it?
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Roy Moore tried to run a Rose Garden campaign. That kind of laziness doesn't work when you've got the entire Democratic Party and half the Republicans running against you.
He won the primary on reputation. The Democrats won by smearing that reputation.
Encapsulates nicely exactly what happened.
:thumbsup:
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Roy Moore tried to run a Rose Garden campaign. That kind of laziness doesn't work when you've got the entire Democratic Party and half the Republicans running against you.
He won the primary on reputation. The Democrats won by smearing that reputation.
The GOPe also helped to destroy that reputation by asking him to step down and that request was led by McConnell. I hope the SOB is pleased with himself; he'd rather lose a seat than let a conservative into his country club!
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Any (and every) time a Democrat wins.... America loses.
And anyone blaming Conservatism for this and any other thing that's wrong with politics these days is only outing themselves and their real ideology and agenda.
What this election proves is that the Democrats (and Soros) can throw money at the politics of personal destruction and slander and win .... because there are just that many (or just enough) morons out there that will fall for it every time its tried.
Sad, that.
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You’ve mentioned that before. What you’ve omitted is that Strange, being the ‘establishment pick,’ would have made a cogent counter argument to the allegations, unlike Moore on Hannity. Strange would have had a legal team that doesn’t advertise on bus benches. He also would have a competent spokesperson, not a Jim Bakker PTL Club reject.
And your basis for claiming that Strange would have been effective at repelling the Democrat accusations of corruption is what? What makes you think Luther Strange could have survived these accusations? I talked to a lot of people in Alabama who were absolutely convinced that Luther Strange suspended that investigation as a quid pro quo for the Governor (the forced out Governor) appointing him to that Senate seat.
Does the name "Rod Blagojevich" mean anything to you?
Do you think these people are playing? Do you think it is just a coincidence that Democrats have pulled this stunt so many times before in the past?
Luther Strange would have been toast. Billionaires and other very influential people wanted a pawn which could help them stop Trump. They were going to hammer Strange until he lost.
The "news" media would have focused on "accusations of corruption" for weeks leading up to the election.
Brilliant "geniuses" on this forum would even now be proclaiming "Luther Strange was a bad candidate."
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Any (and every) time a Democrat wins.... America loses.
And anyone blaming Conservatism for this and any other thing that's wrong with politics these days is only outing themselves and their real ideology and agenda.
What this election proves is that the Democrats (and Soros) can throw money at the politics of personal destruction and slander and win .... because there are just that many (or just enough) morons out there that will fall for it every time its tried.
Sad, that.
The good news? Now the precendent has been set. And it's time now to turn the tables and get the dirt on the Rats...every single one of them. They want to play that game? Well guess, what? We can play it, too.
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LOL. I'm not wasting time on that stupidity. The people here who wrap themselves up in the Founders to get back to "original intent" now think the mechanism they put in place to correct problems is garbage.
I find it very sad that there are those in here that believe that this country will continue to exist as we know if if we don't got back to the Founders intent and adhere to the Constitution; without her, we as a country are nothing!
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The GOPe also helped to destroy that reputation by asking him to step down and that request was led by McConnell. I hope the SOB is pleased with himself; he'd rather lose a seat than let a conservative into his country club!
Exactly right. In case anyone is still wondering why nothing is getting done re: Trump's conservative promises.... look no further than Bitch McConnell. He is the proverbial snake in the grass Judas... and nothing will change as long as he is there and in charge.
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@DiogenesLamp
Fair enough.
All of those women in Alabama who wrote in names can lecture you.
And little birds could chirp in the forest to achieve the same degree of rationality it would engender.
The "herd" was turned because it was spooked.
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The election is over, so hey! Let's turn on one another! Yay.
Instead, we might consider supporting actual constitutional conservatives who will run for the US Senate in 2018. In my state, Patrick Morrisey will face Joe Manchin, if he can win the GOP primary inMay.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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No wonder Roy lost his ass in a solid red state. There is no plausible defense to his stupidity and zealotry.
There is no plausible defense against a closed mind.
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He earned the appellation, DL, when he defied a court order to display a billboard to his religion, when he proclaimed that Muslims couldn't serve in Congress unless they swore an oath on a Christian Bible, and when he complained we'd be better off without the 14th and 17th amendments. Just to cite a few examples of his abject looniness.
You can keep trying to sell that snake oil, but I advise you to find a dupe who doesn't actually understand the issues involved.
You are in way over your head in any attempted discussion on these issues with me. I've been studying this subject for several decades.
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Well they did so by large margins until only a short time ago.
That is pretty much like saying, ‘Man, our team really tore it up in preseason.’
His performance only mattered in the big game.
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They are just facing a reality that was obvious to those of us who were on board when Goldwater ran.
Goldwater is a very good example of what happened.
No doubt some people will just conclude he was a "bad" candidate.
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The good news? Now the precendent has been set. And it's time now to turn the tables and get the dirt on the Rats...every single one of them. They want to play that game? Well guess, what? We can play it, too.
Yeah... uh... no. You're missing the point.
Sure, the rats have more cretins in their ranks that really are guilty of said and sundry accusations. But history proves that with the exception of the recent rash of exposures resulting in the loss of a scant few irrelevant or unimportant Democrat positions... the Dems never ever face any real consequences for their behavior, past OR present.
The point is... the rats know now that they can accuse ANYONE on the right with their "Herman Caining tactics"... and win whatever seat they need to win. The American public should have stepped in and shut this crap down hard. Instead, they either bought into it, gleefully joined in on the witchburning, or just didn't give a damn. Big mistake.
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It is hard watching something you love eaten by termites, and trashed by fools, and finding that despite all reason you are powerless to stop people from insisting on its destruction, when there will be nothing to equal it for a long time, if ever. I can understand the sentiment of those who watched as the golden age of any civilization passed.
Your commentary has been exceptionally relevant for the last several pages.
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There is no plausible defense against a closed mind.
Yeah. I've pretty much closed my minds to hayseeds riding horses around and waving guns in public since McCloud went off the air.
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Roy Moore tried to run a Rose Garden campaign. That kind of laziness doesn't work when you've got the entire Democratic Party and half the Republicans running against you.
He won the primary on reputation. The Democrats won by smearing that reputation.
Probably the only legit criticism of Moore I've heard and astute analysis. He let his opposition set the tempo, which is often fatal in politics.
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Any (and every) time a Democrat wins.... America loses.
And anyone blaming Conservatism for this and any other thing that's wrong with politics these days is only outing themselves and their real ideology and agenda.
What this election proves is that the Democrats (and Soros) can throw money at the politics of personal destruction and slander and win .... because there are just that many (or just enough) morons out there that will fall for it every time its tried.
Sad, that.
The quality of Moore as a candidate aside, anyone who joined the coyote chorus against him is also at knowing odds with everything that would've been possible by adding him the congress. It doesn't matter how much 'lets all us conservatives pull together' post election prattle you hear from them. Its all been heard before.
Thats just a plain fact.
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What makes you think they'll be treated any differently?
Rinse, wash, repeat.
We know the Dems will slander Morrisey. They already have done so. But his opponent in the GOP primary is a fake Republican, and Patrick is a solid conservative. Mojo Manchin is an embarrassment. We need to support good people like Morrisey and help them fend off the dirt that will be slung at them.
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He wasn’t ‘handed’ anything. He created it. Bannon was endorsing Moore prior to the run off.
Which is a perfectly sensible thing to do if you are trying to insure a candidate that is not beholding to the Washington DC cronies club is selected.
Bannon did exactly what any reasonable person in his situation would have done.
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Goldwater is a very good example of what happened.
No doubt some people will just conclude he was a "bad" candidate.
So Goldwater admitted to dating teenagers in his 30's, called the US a threat to the free world and had a spokesman publicly say that he wanted gays arrested?
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Moore may have won the Republican primary because outsider Bannon came in with full-support. That would take some study but the outsiders at Wapo may not have been the first. As said, it seems like one of the networks ran the graphic Moore only won in a 2011 race, 52-48%.
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And your basis for claiming that Strange would have been effective at repelling the Democrat accusations of corruption is what?
I already explained that in the post you quoted. He would’ve had more competent people around him to fend it off. Besides, he was endorsed at the outset by a president who won the state by a large margin.
Can I prove it? No – not anymore than you can prove he would’ve lost. The same argument has been raised concerning the presidential election and how other candidates may have performed against a terrible Democratic nominee.
It only exists in some parallel universe, so we will never know. What we do know is Moore lost in a brick red state.
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The point of discourse for me today is to laugh and mock people who are circling the wagons around a piece of human shit who got fully rejected by a solid red state last night.
The pieces of human shit revealed to me are those who malign others on the bases of unsupported accusations against them by their political enemies.
We are floating in an ocean of pretentious "Holier than thou" judges. This is the cesspool full of human sh*t.
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The same way they owed me an apology in November @Hoodat ?
@Right_in_Virginia
That would depend. What do you feel you are owed an apology for? Getting it right about Trump's chances of getting elected? Sure, I have stated that more than once. But an apology? Not quite sure what for.
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Bannon did exactly what any reasonable person in his situation would have done.
What situation? He was a private citizen by the time he was touting Roy Moore in August, prior to the runoff. By previously stating the situation he was ‘handed,’ you make it sound like he came in at the 11th hour to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t.
The fact is, he fed the chickens, shoveled the manure, put it in a bowl, stirred it, and served it up. Enjoy.
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The quality of Moore as a candidate aside, anyone who joined the coyote chorus against him is also at knowing odds with everything that would've been possible by adding him the congress. It doesn't matter how much 'lets all us conservatives pull together' post election prattle you hear from them. Its all been heard before.
Thats just a plain fact.
I have to wonder..... if the motivation behind some of the anti-Moore folks wasn't the glaringly obvious fact... that many of those that opposed Moore are also rabid anti-Trumpers.
Their motivation being the same as the Democrats' motivation. Get Moore out by handing the seat to a Democrat that will shift the balance of the majority towards the rats in the 2018 election. Perhaps they are counting on the rats winning control back of Congress next year... so that Trump can be impeached? I hate to think anyone could or would be willing to trash America and give the Democrats control again.... to the detriment of the entire nation.... just to get rid of Trump. But....
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The pieces of human shit revealed to me are those who malign others on the bases of unsupported accusations against them by their political enemies.
We are floating in an ocean of pretentious "Holier than thou" judges. This is the cesspool full of human sh*t.
You can tie your wagon to the guy who defended himself when asked if he did this kiddy stuff said "No, not generally" or "It was not my customary behavior". Real resounding denial there.
I'll pass on that.
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I have to wonder..... if the motivation behind some of the anti-Moore folks wasn't the glaringly obvious fact... that many of those that opposed Moore are also rabid anti-Trumpers.
Their motivation being the same as the Democrats' motivation. Get Moore out by handing the seat to a Democrat that will shift the balance of the majority towards the rats in the 2018 election. Perhaps they are counting on the rats winning control back of Congress next year... so that Trump can be impeached? I hate to think anyone could or would be willing to trash America and give the Democrats control again.... to the detriment of the entire nation.... just to get rid of Trump. But....
I love Trump. I hate Moore. I hated Moore before the allegations. So did Donny.
Time to put the thinking cap back on I guess.
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It really scorches you to your core when the President is right, doesn't it @txradioguy 88devil
Which time was he right? When he endorsed the McConnell puppet Strange? When he half heartedly endorsed Moore and made a "get out the vote" robocall for him? Or today when he threw the man he endorsed under the bus Obama style?
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Moore lost because he was an astonishingly bad candidate, with baggage both legal and moral, and he was lazy as hell to boot.
@Jazzhead
It pains me greatly to say this, but I agree. Especially on the 'lazy' part.
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You can tie your wagon to the guy who defended himself when asked if he did this kiddy stuff said "No, not generally" or "It was not my customary behavior". Real resounding denial there.
I'll pass on that.
Well I do not believe last nights results make Trump’s job going forward any easier.
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I have to wonder..... if the motivation behind some of the anti-Moore folks wasn't the glaringly obvious fact... that many of those that opposed Moore are also rabid anti-Trumpers.
Yes, because it’s really odd a group thinking ‘there must be a better representative of my views’ would still feel that way a year later. *****rollingeyes*****
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He thinks Most of the Amendments past the 10th were garbage, and so do I. I have thought this since long before I ever heard of Roy Moore, but I'm sure you won't bother to debate the actual pros and cons of the amendments after the first 10, because it's easier to mock than it is to think, and some people are just too lazy to do anything else.
He's busy mocking the tenth. Didn't even make it past there.
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@Jazzhead
It pains me greatly to say this, but I agree. Especially on the 'lazy' part.
He went "Full Hillary" the last week of the election, thought he had it in the bag.
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Yes, because it’s really odd a group thinking ‘there must be a better representative of my views’ would still feel that way a year later. *****rollingeyes*****
Sarc away.... but the fact remains.... that those opposed to Moore in order to "get Trump" or stick it to Trump due to their hatred and bias against him just took a giant step towards handing the keys of the nation back to the enemy within.... the DemocRats. Roll your eyes on that fact.
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Oh, stop whining, Applewood. Mo Brooks and Luther Strange are good conservatives, and either would have coasted to victory with the full support of the Republican party. Moore lost because he was an astonishingly bad candidate, with baggage both legal and moral, and he was lazy as hell to boot.
The GOP, and President Trump, dodged a bullet with the defeat of this assclown. The voters rejected Moore just as they elected President Trump. May the voters' choices be respected.
Funny you say that now, but when 81% of the voters in Alabama voted to pass a Constitutional Amendment to their State Constitution saying that marriage is only between one man and one woman, you have no problem with overruling them with one stinking Federal Judge who should have no Constitutional Authority at all per the Tenth Amendment.
You can't have it both ways, and your Hypocrisy has been on prominent display, even as you gloat. You got what you wanted to see: someone who supports thrid trimester abortion, who supports gun control, and the rest of the liberal agenda and you are gloating about it while claiming to be a conservative.
Nice. **nononono*
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I have to wonder..... if the motivation behind some of the anti-Moore folks wasn't the glaringly obvious fact... that many of those that opposed Moore are also rabid anti-Trumpers.
Their motivation being the same as the Democrats' motivation. Get Moore out by handing the seat to a Democrat that will shift the balance of the majority towards the rats in the 2018 election. Perhaps they are counting on the rats winning control back of Congress next year... so that Trump can be impeached? I hate to think anyone could or would be willing to trash America and give the Democrats control again.... to the detriment of the entire nation.... just to get rid of Trump. But....
Well, in all fairness, Trump was against him before he was for him...
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British Royals aren't eligible for office in the US.
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I love Trump. I hate Moore. I hated Moore before the allegations. So did Donny.
Time to put the thinking cap back on I guess.
Not really. Unless....
you are speaking for all of the anti-Trump/Trump haters.
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I don't blame the anti-Trump Republicans so much as the failure of the religious types in the rural areas to turn out. It shows that sliming Moore with the sexual stuff had its desired effect on many religious conservatives. Because they had doubts, they stayed home. Moore also made a serious mistake in failing to show his face in public toward the end.
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Well, in all fairness, Trump was against him before he was for him...
Lol! Look, I am no cheerleading Trump fan... as most here should know by now. BUT... (and that's a big one)...
giving the Democrats a win of ANY KIND is a huge mistake and one that America and Americans will pay dearly for. As we also know... the rats & Soros have been working diligently behind the scenes to regain power and control. We simply can't let that happen.
But oddly enough... it seems that many (even here on this forum) are only too happy to do just that.... ie give the Democrats a win and allow them to regain power and majority control. Now... I don't give a damn, really, what their motivation for doing that is... whether it's hatred of Trump or their love of leftism. I oppose it and I oppose them. Vehemently.
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Sarc away.... but the fact remains.... that those opposed to Moore in order to "get Trump" or stick it to Trump due to their hatred and bias against him just took a giant step towards handing the keys of the nation back to the enemy within.... the DemocRats. Roll your eyes on that fact.
I will, because the only people on any position to 'get Trump' were the AL voters that turned out in much larger numbers last Nov and gave him 62% of the vote. These are voters that heard Trump get maligned much heavier and longer than Moore. They didn't believe in Roy. Why should anyone outside AL?
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I don't blame the anti-Trump Republicans so much as the failure of the religious types in the rural areas to turn out. It shows that sliming Moore with the sexual stuff had its desired effect on many religious conservatives. Because they had doubts, they stayed home. Moore also made a serious mistake in failing to show his face in public toward the end.
What the Moore-hating doofuses don't realize is that the Dems do this in every race. They did it to my candidates when I was running their campaign, now they've taken it up another level with Moore.
Expect every candidate from here to get Cained and Cruzed, and watch the oh so morally superior so-called conservatives run and hide on every one.
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Similar to the day care ritual child abuse hysteria of the 80’s, Americans (and the Western world) are now fully gripped in a mass hysteria warlock hunt. This can only end badly for families, community and country.
That daycare hysteria and the use of hypnosis implanted 'repressed' memories were used by one Janet Reno (Butcher of Waco, exporter of Elian (at gunpoint), "There is no evidence which exists", among other things) as a prosecutor in Florida to harass a family into leaving the United States after allegations that their 14 year old was molesting children in a church day care, in a room with glass walls above wainscot level. None of the allegations were ever proven.
Big things can come from small starts, and this is one noxious weed that isn't done spreading.
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But oddly enough... it seems that many (even here on this forum) are only too happy to do just that.... ie give the Democrats a win and allow them to regain power and majority control. Now... I don't give a damn, really, what their motivation for doing that is... whether it's hatred of Trump or their love of leftism. I oppose it and I oppose them. Vehemently.
Those polishing last night's turd are every bit as much my opposition as are the democrats. There's just too much at stake.
Its too damn bad, cause its natural to want to take people at their word for who they are and what they believe, even on an internet forum.
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Funny you say that now, but when 81% of the voters in Alabama voted to pass a Constitutional Amendment to their State Constitution saying that marriage is only between one man and one woman, you have no problem with overruling them with one stinking Federal Judge who should have no Constitutional Authority at all per the Tenth Amendment.
You can't have it both ways, and your Hypocrisy has been on prominent display, even as you gloat. You got what you wanted to see: someone who supports thrid trimester abortion, who supports gun control, and the rest of the liberal agenda and you are gloating about it while claiming to be a conservative.
Nice. **nononono*
Oh pish posh. The right of gays to marry was found in the 14th amendment, which as part of the federal Constitution overrides contrary provisions in state constitutions. You'd be agreeing with me, of course, if the federal right at stake were the 2nd Amendment.
What hypocrisy? Do you even know the meaning of the term? I early on urged the Alabama GOP to rescind its nomination, precisely because I wanted a conservative to win the seat. Third trimester abortions? Of course, I'm against. Gun control? I support the 2nd Amendment as construed by the Heller court. And as for supporting the liberal agenda, I had a fascinating interaction with a colleague this morning who's stone cold Dem partisan and knows I'm a Republican. He said he was hoping against hope that Moore would win, because of the easy damage it would allow his party to inflict on Republicans leading up to the 2018 elections. I told him that the GOP had dodged a bullet.
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YOU and the Weekly Standard don't get the fact that Roy Moore was upholding the oath he swore to the Alabama Constitution when he did that! And he was removed by a bunch of sick lawyers for doing it!
There are no Constitutional provisions giving the Federal Government any authority over marriage, whatsoever. Therefore, by virtue of the Tenth Amendment, that authority falls to the States of to the People. The People of Alabama voted 4:1 in favor of an Amendment to their Constitution to define marriage as between one man and one woman. The voters spoke, the state had the constitutional authority and the voters' mandate. The State and the People had established law, when a Federal Judge unconstitutionally usurped that authority.
Moore, as Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court rightfully resisted that usurpation to the point it cost him his job.
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I will, because the only people on any position to 'get Trump' were the AL voters that turned out in much larger numbers last Nov and gave him 62% of the vote. These are voters that heard Trump get maligned much heavier and longer than Moore. They didn't believe in Roy. Why should anyone outside AL?
Point is.... giving the seat to a Democrat is putting Trump one step closer to an impeachment proceeding... which is what the Trump haters & Democrats are all counting on. The people in Alabama fell victim to the leftist tactics of personal destruction and Herman Caining strategy of the rabid left. They were duped into handing the seat to the rats... despite their support of Trump...
and in a red state. I find that indicative of how the left will be pushing the entire nation full-tilt from now on. They have their playbook and their tactics are working splendidly. It's a danger to the entire nation... not just Alabama or one state. Do you not get that?
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@CatherineofAragon et al
Throughout this campaign, I purposely reserved judgment against Moore, waiting for more evidence to come forth. I was willing to dismiss the yearbook scribblings and the 40-year-old claims against him in the absence of any established patterns. However, examining his behavior during the campaign, I can only conclude that there is something not right about him.
Many here have held him up as a standard-bearer of the Christian faith. However, it is clear by his inaction that he is driven by fear instead of faith. And fear is a sin.
So regardless of his guilt or innocence with these old charges, what matters to me now is this:
- Moore was not willing to fight to win the seat. He shied from campaigning. He failed to make is case for why he would make a good Senator.
- Moore was not able to admit the above. He lacks the humility to admit his flaws, and to recognize that he had no business entering this race to begin with. And even now, that same ego will not allow him to concede defeat.
Just my two cents.
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I have to wonder..... if the motivation behind some of the anti-Moore folks wasn't the glaringly obvious fact... that many of those that opposed Moore are also rabid anti-Trumpers.
Their motivation being the same as the Democrats' motivation. Get Moore out by handing the seat to a Democrat that will shift the balance of the majority towards the rats in the 2018 election. Perhaps they are counting on the rats winning control back of Congress next year... so that Trump can be impeached? I hate to think anyone could or would be willing to trash America and give the Democrats control again.... to the detriment of the entire nation.... just to get rid of Trump. But....
Hate to think it all you like, it has become patently obvious that many posters here are not conservative in any manner and will do anything and everything they can to help preserve the status quo in Washington.
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Peoples' before and after reactions to Moore remind me of the movie "Wall Street"
Wall Street - The Beginning
“I knew the minute I laid eyes on you, you had what it takes, Bud.â€
Wall Street - The End
“The minute I laid eyes on you, I knew you were no good.â€
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He went "Full Hillary" the last week of the election, thought he had it in the bag.
Great way of putting it.
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Those polishing last night's turd are every bit as much my opposition as are the democrats. There's just too much at stake.
Its too damn bad, cause its natural to want to take people at their word for who they are and what they believe, even on an internet forum.
Natural? Lol! I learned almost 20 years ago not to do that. I had friends on the internet that I trusted, loved and thought I knew....thought they were like-minded righties like myself. One turned out to be a rabid leftist commie (I think he was podded) .... and one turned out to be just a fool that liked the most rabid leftist liberal hag on the net at the time. I learned not to trust ANYONE for what they say they are on the internet. It's jaded, but it is reality... and I am now a realist.
The only person I was correct about was a female conservative in Houston that I met in person, had lunch with and shot some pool with a few times until she had a baby and was too busy to do anything but be a mom. Since then, I really don't take anything at face value on the net.
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When I was growing up, My sixth grade teacher was a big fan of World War II. He had brought numerous books on the subject to the class, and many of us were enthralled.
Since that time, I have been involved in innumerable debates regarding Hitler's rise to power, and how so many Germans could have turned into such vicious people regarding the Jews. Till the 21st century came along, I and my friends could make no headway in explaining this intractable problem of how the Germans went full Nazi.
Now I grasp the role of "Preference Cascade" (Positive Feedback Loop) and propaganda in achieving "group think" the sort of which causes otherwise decent people to turn into monsters.
Since the rise of Obama, I now see how fascism gains a grip on a populace.
Yep. It's quite a show, opening soon in streets across the country.
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Hate to think it all you like, it has become patently obvious that many posters here are not conservative in any manner and will do anything and everything they can to help preserve the status quo in Washington.
Yeah... and when you see them blame Conservatism.... it just makes that even more glaringly clear. Crystal, in fact.
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What the Moore-hating doofuses don't realize is that the Dems do this in every race. They did it to my candidates when I was running their campaign, now they've taken it up another level with Moore.
Expect every candidate from here to get Cained and Cruzed, and watch the oh so morally superior so-called conservatives run and hide on every one.
Yep! That is exactly what you can expect to see from now on.
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Not really. Unless....
you are speaking for all of the anti-Trump/Trump haters.
I speak for everyone. My word is unimpeachable.
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Yep. It's quite a show, opening soon in streets across the country.
The people they are expecting to round up for the cattle cars are armed.
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I speak for everyone. My word is unimpeachable.
Finally a post on this thread I can enjoy a laugh with.... :laugh: :police:
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The fact Moore was outspent 14 to 1 probably has nothing to do with it, right?
Spare us the bloviating.
Nothing like being thrown to the wolves by "your own" party at the first sign of allegations, and having your national party funding pulled, except maybe being threatened by one of "your own" with being unseated the moment you get elected. The death of the GOP has begun.
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There are no Constitutional provisions giving the Federal Government any authority over marriage, whatsoever. Therefore, by virtue of the Tenth Amendment, that authority falls to the States of to the People. The People of Alabama voted 4:1 in favor of an Amendment to their Constitution to define marriage as between one man and one woman. The voters spoke, the state had the constitutional authority and the voters' mandate. The State and the People had established law, when a Federal Judge unconstitutionally usurped that authority.
Moore, as Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court rightfully resisted that usurpation to the point it cost him his job.
Fourteenth Amendment. I'll say it slowly - F-O-U-R-T-E-E-N-T-H Amendment.
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Fourteenth Amendment. I'll say it slowly - F-O-U-R-T-E-E-N-T-H Amendment.
Let me say it slowly for you...again...T-H-A-T-'S-A-L-I-E
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Several of those amendments were ratified under the business end of guns but that shouldn't matter should it? /s
Well it depends on whether or not you believe in this "consent of the governed" stuff.
I'm sure there are people here who are claiming to be all about "The people of Alabama have spoken", who would also have had no problems with people pointing guns at these same people in Alabama and telling them to vote they way they were ordered.
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@CatherineofAragon et al
Throughout this campaign, I purposely reserved judgment against Moore, waiting for more evidence to come forth. I was willing to dismiss the yearbook scribblings and the 40-year-old claims against him in the absence of any established patterns. However, examining his behavior during the campaign, I can only conclude that there is something not right about him.
Many here have held him up as a standard-bearer of the Christian faith. However, it is clear by his inaction that he is driven by fear instead of faith. And fear is a sin.
So regardless of his guilt or innocence with these old charges, what matters to me now is this:
- Moore was not willing to fight to win the seat. He shied from campaigning. He failed to make is case for why he would make a good Senator.
- Moore was not able to admit the above. He lacks the humility to admit his flaws, and to recognize that he had no business entering this race to begin with. And even now, that same ego will not allow him to concede defeat.
Just my two cents.
Good post, @Hoodat.
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Fourteenth Amendment. I'll say it slowly - F-O-U-R-T-E-E-N-T-H Amendment.
Here's why...again...as I told you previously when you pulled this 14th Amendment trick...a favorite of Liberals...you're wrong.
The 14th Amendment was intended to prevent states from discriminating against newly freed slaves. At that time blacks and women didn't even have the right to vote, yet no court ever thought it could use the "equal protection" clause to change state voting laws. So why do some district courts think they can use it now to change state marriage laws? Are we to believe that "equal protection" does not guarantee a woman's right to vote but does guarantee a woman's right to marry another woman?
https://www.onenewsnow.com/perspectives/miscellaneous/2015/03/19/why-the-14th-amendment-cant-possibly-require-same-sex-marriage (https://www.onenewsnow.com/perspectives/miscellaneous/2015/03/19/why-the-14th-amendment-cant-possibly-require-same-sex-marriage)
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Nothing like being thrown to the wolves by "your own" party at the first sign of allegations, and having your national party funding pulled, except maybe being threatened by one of "your own" with being unseated the moment you get elected. The death of the GOP has begun.
Is it any wonder that decent people refuse to enter the arena of politics now and we end up with the dregs as our representatives in government?
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The fact Moore was outspent 14 to 1 probably has nothing to do with it, right?
Spare us the bloviating.
The election really wasn't bought with money. It was bought with accusations.
And New York/Washington Propaganda power.
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Point is.... giving the seat to a Democrat is putting Trump one step closer to an impeachment proceeding... which is what the Trump haters & Democrats are all counting on. The people in Alabama fell victim to the leftist tactics of personal destruction and Herman Caining strategy of the rabid left. They were duped into handing the seat to the rats... despite their support of Trump...
and in a red state. I find that indicative of how the left will be pushing the entire nation full-tilt from now on. They have their playbook and their tactics are working splendidly. It's a danger to the entire nation... not just Alabama or one state. Do you not get that?
An impeachment proceeding begins in the House. Plus, they need 67 in the Senate to convict. So, this particular seat has nothing to do with that. Moore, however, would have been the poster boy in every Dem attack ad coming up in '18 to flip the House. They have an outside shot at that, but not much hope in the Senate.
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340 (http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340)
By the time 2020 rolls around, Jones will be up for re-election in a presidential year with much higher turnout. I doubt he'll survive.
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Is it any wonder that decent people refuse to enter the arena of politics now and we end up with the dregs as our representatives in government?
Well you should be excited. Looks like we have turned the page and stopped another dreg like Moore to head to DC.
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An impeachment proceeding begins in the House. So, this particular seat has nothing to do with that. Moore, however, would have been the poster boy in every Dem attack ad coming up in '18 to flip the House. They have an outside shot at that, but not much hope in the Senate.
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340 (http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340)
By the time 2020 rolls around, Jones will be up for re-election in a presidential year with much higher turnout. I doubt he'll survive.
I hope that's true, but we know incumbents rarely get kicked out. They become embedded and hard to remove.
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Is it any wonder that decent people refuse to enter the arena of politics now and we end up with the dregs as our representatives in government?
No. It's no wonder. Nobody but a reprobate, a deplorable (lol) or an insane person would run for political office in this current climate. I suppose some would counter/argue that it has always been this bad. But it hasn't always been a climate where your political opponents control the media, Hollywood, education and most of the news that is reported. So I posit that it is now much worse for anyone that is not a damned Democrat.
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Just can’t resist: told you do
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Yes, even Luther Strange would have beaten Doug Jones.
Assertions without evidence are just as good as unsupported accusations about child molesting.
I gave you evidence that the Democrats would have been all over Luther Strange like brown on Sh*t. Your return serve is merely an assertion with no demonstrable basis.
How many examples of this trick do you need to see played out before you finally see how this trick is done?
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An impeachment proceeding begins in the House. So, this particular seat has nothing to do with that. Moore, however, would have been the poster boy in every Dem attack ad coming up in '18 to flip the House. They have an outside shot at that, but not much hope in the Senate.
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340 (http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340)
By the time 2020 rolls around, Jones will be up for re-election in a presidential year with much higher turnout. I doubt he'll survive.
Moore was just a tool the Dems used. Now that they know how voters will react they'll pic someone else next time and it will be the same thing over an over.
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The election really wasn't bought with money. It was bought with accusations.
And New York/Washington Propaganda power.
True, the NYC media spewed their predictable propaganda as lavishly as usual. Which was lapped up nationally.
But I'm as sure the money Soros & the democrats sent to Alabama bought alot of commericals & get-out-the-vote time locally. Handing out cigarettes to bums and driving buses form poll to poll statewide on election night costs money.
The wonder is that Moore received the support he did given the disparity.
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LOL. I'm not wasting time on that stupidity.
You would be wasting everyone's time if you decided to engage in such a discussion.
The people here who wrap themselves up in the Founders to get back to "original intent" now think the mechanism they put in place to correct problems is garbage.
And here is an example of what I mean. Did the founders put a mechanism in place to point guns at voters to force them to pass amendments of which they disapproved and did not truly consent?
Get back to me on how that founders "mechanism" is supposed to work.
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An impeachment proceeding begins in the House. So, this particular seat has nothing to do with that. Moore, however, would have been the poster boy in every Dem attack ad coming up in '18 to flip the House. They have an outside shot at that, but not much hope in the Senate.
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340 (http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340)
By the time 2020 rolls around, Jones will be up for re-election in a presidential year with much higher turnout. I doubt he'll survive.
Yes, but.... the rats are counting on major wins next year due to voter anger at the GOP for their failures.... namely to repeal Obamacare and probably also for their failure to pass tax cuts (it hasn't passed YET). More folks have turned off to and tuned out to the GOP this year than ever. The rats have a very good chance of regaining the House next year due to that, I think.
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Any (and every) time a Democrat wins.... America loses.
And anyone blaming Conservatism for this and any other thing that's wrong with politics these days is only outing themselves and their real ideology and agenda.
What this election proves is that the Democrats (and Soros) can throw money at the politics of personal destruction and slander and win .... because there are just that many (or just enough) morons out there that will fall for it every time its tried.
Sad, that.
Alabama is a conservative state. It was impossible for Jones to win without "conservatives" going over to the other side.
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Well you should be excited. Looks like we have turned the page and stopped another dreg like Moore to head to DC.
Yeah! Except for the fact that Roy Moore wasn't one you would be correct!
But I really am excited that so many phony conservatives here have managed to out themselves over the last few weeks. More even today.
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Yes, but.... the rats are counting on major wins next year due to voter anger at the GOP for their failures.... namely to repeal Obamacare and probably also for their failure to pass tax cuts (it hasn't passed YET). More folks have turned off to and tuned out to the GOP this year than ever. The rats have a very good chance of regaining the House next year due to that, I think.
@XenaLee
It's one of the great political paradoxes of our times...the voters are likely to cast out Republicans in favor of Democrats because the Republicans failed to undo what Democrats did....
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Alabama is a conservative state. It was impossible for Jones to win without "conservatives" going over to the other side.
:bigsilly:
Messer im Rücken
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@XenaLee
It's one of the great political paradoxes of our times...the voters are likely to cast out Republicans in favor of Democrats because the Republicans failed to undo what Democrats did....
Like P.J. O'Rourke said, "Republicans say that 'government doesn't work', then they get elected and prove it."
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That is pretty much like saying, ‘Man, our team really tore it up in preseason.’
His performance only mattered in the big game.
I am trying to grasp your thinking here. Your implication is that if Moore had just gave a better "performance" that would have caused him to win the "big game."
Why this is so difficult for me is because I see no correlation whatsoever to Moore's performance and his losing 20 percentage points in the polls. Moore did not act radically different than he has always acted, and in the absence of accusations was predicted to win quite handily.
Therefore it seems to me that "performance" has got nothing to do with it, and so how it is analogous to a "big game" I fail to see.
A closer analogy would be someone coming out of the stands and smashing the quarterback's knee with a baseball bat while his own teams cheerleaders cheered them on.
In this case too, "performance" isn't going to win.
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I hope that's true, but we know incumbents rarely get kicked out. They become embedded and hard to remove.
True, but he'll have some disadvantages. He's in a deeply red state, there is a lot of time for exploration and vetting of candidates, and turnout will be much higher. Jones will have acquired a voting record in the Senate to campaign against.
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An impeachment proceeding begins in the House. Plus, they need 67 in the Senate to convict. So, this particular seat has nothing to do with that. Moore, however, would have been the poster boy in every Dem attack ad coming up in '18 to flip the House. They have an outside shot at that, but not much hope in the Senate.
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340 (http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/what-are-democrats-chances-for-a-house-majority-in-2018/article/2615340)
By the time 2020 rolls around, Jones will be up for re-election in a presidential year with much higher turnout. I doubt he'll survive.
While we have a majority now unfortunately we do not know what the political scene will look like in 2020.
Now is the crucial time and our chances of any real reform are now greatly diminished.
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True, but he'll have some disadvantages. He's in a deeply red state, there is a lot of time for exploration and vetting of candidates, and turnout will be much higher. Jones will have acquired a voting record in the Senate to campaign against.
Jones is counting on a Rat winning in 2020 so he can get a gig in their Administration. This is his audition, he could care less about getting re-elected.
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Probably the only legit criticism of Moore I've heard and astute analysis. He let his opposition set the tempo, which is often fatal in politics.
Tempo? He was accused of attempting to rape a girl, and molesting an underaged girl. What on God's green earth does "Tempo" have to do with it?
Moore could have been in a Coma in the Hospital and still won if these accusations hadn't been ginned up.
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While we have a majority now unfortunately we do not know what the political scene will look like in 2020.
Now is the crucial time and our chances of any real reform are now greatly diminished.
Dems are already making noise today about waiting until Jones is seated to vote on tax reform.
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So Goldwater admitted to dating teenagers in his 30's, called the US a threat to the free world and had a spokesman publicly say that he wanted gays arrested?
In sofar as any of that cost Moore the election, it is irrelevant.
Goldwater had the media-weapon turned against him, and *that* is what cost him the election.
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Dems are already making noise today about waiting until Jones is seated to vote on tax reform.
And of course Mitch will bend over for them.
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I am trying to grasp your thinking here. Your implication is that if Moore had just gave a better "performance" that would have caused him to win the "big game."
Therefore it seems to me that "performance" has got nothing to do with it, and so how it is analogous to a "big game" I fail to see.
Then revisit some of the other posters that referred to his campaign style in more plain language. Perhaps they explained it better.
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Dems are already making noise today about waiting until Jones is seated to vote on tax reform.
I heard. And I'm sure many of Moore's critics will be back here shortly, complaining about the lack of progress Trump's been able to make on moving his agenda forward.
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I heard. And I'm sure many of Moore's critics will be back here shortly, complaining about the lack of progress Trump's been able to make on moving his agenda forward.
All Moore was going to do in DC was to vote on stuff, especially on Trump's SCOTUS picks.
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While we have a majority now unfortunately we do not know what the political scene will look like in 2020.
Now is the crucial time and our chances of any real reform are now greatly diminished.
If we were going to have any real reform, it would have happened between the inauguration and now. The problem was not the absence of Sessions or the person filling his seat in the interim.
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Yeah! Except for the fact that Roy Moore wasn't one you would be correct!
But I really am excited that so many phony conservatives here have managed to out themselves over the last few weeks. More even today.
Yes. So being Conservative in 2017 means thinking America is the root of evil in the free world, jailing gays, having a Jewish lawyer and arguing the bible supersedes the Constitution......or at least the parts you agree with (These are all things Roy Moore said out of his own mouth in front of a camera).
Good luck with that.
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I already explained that in the post you quoted. He would’ve had more competent people around him to fend it off.
That is hand waving. That is a "fact" not in evidence. Just how do you defend a man against accusations that he dropped an investigation in exchange for a Senate appointment?
Especially since the governor in question did ACTUALLY resign and is considered "dirty".
All the media has to do is keep repeating it, and the usually suspects around here (and elsewhere) would say "we can't support this deeply flawed candidate."
Can I prove it? No – not anymore than you can prove he would’ve lost.
I think pointing out numerous past examples where this same tactic has been employed to cause a loss is pretty good evidence that it would once again be employed and would have likely been successful in this last election.
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Alabama is a conservative state. It was impossible for Jones to win without "conservatives" going over to the other side.
Conservatives, at least 'real conservatives', didn't ""go over to the other side"". They just didn't vote. They allowed the seriousness of the charges/accusations against Moore to weigh in on their decision not to vote. Just as.... many will sit home next year, rather than vote for a RINO-controlled GOP that has betrayed them pretty much every step of the way. Unfortunately, many have no clue just how critical it is that the Democrats, including the RINOs, be kept out of power. They will find out...
the hard way.
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They will find out...
the hard way.
Good and hard.
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And of course Mitch will bend over for them.
And drop trow. That's what RINO bitches do for leftists, after all.
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If we were going to have any real reform, it would have happened between the inauguration and now. The problem was not the absence of Sessions or the person filling his seat in the interim.
Beg to differ. Halving the majority from 2 to 1 senate seats is very significant. Especially in this very unusual political situation we have right now.
TO say nothing about how the victory has energized the left.
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I heard. And I'm sure many of Moore's critics will be back here shortly, complaining about the lack of progress Trump's been able to make on moving his agenda forward.
You and I both know they will.
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Fourteenth Amendment. I'll say it slowly - F-O-U-R-T-E-E-N-T-H Amendment.
What a load of crap. A very selective application of the Fourteenth, equality only given to those who are expedient for political gain.
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What situation? He was a private citizen by the time he was touting Roy Moore in August, prior to the runoff.
Exactly. Roy Moore was a shoe in candidate at this point. He was known to be hostile to the "establishment", and so he was exactly the sort of person which Bannon was already trying to support.
By previously stating the situation he was ‘handed,’ you make it sound like he came in at the 11th hour to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t.
He had chicken salad, and it was turned into chicken sh*t, primarily because of the accusations made by Democrats and their Vichy Republican allies.
At the time Bannon signed on to the deal, it was a very good deal. It was turned to shite by lies and accusations coupled with the media weapon spreading their propaganda.
The fact is, he fed the chickens, shoveled the manure, put it in a bowl, stirred it, and served it up. Enjoy.
It's statements like this that make me think i'm talking to mentally ill people. It's like people didn't even see what happened, and now imagine some completely screwy scenario occurred instead.
We can't even see the same set of facts in this discussion. I would plot you a graph of Moore support and mark it with correlations of the accusations if I thought it would work, but since we were all here and should have seen it with our own eyes, I don't think there is any real point to presenting evidence to support the claim that what we all saw happen, really happened.
You must have been watching a different television program or something.
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The right of gays to marry was found in the 14th amendment
This is wrong on several counts. First of all, the right to marry is found in the 10th Amendment, not the 14th Amendment. Second, there is no restriction against sexual preference in any marriage law. It simply does not exist. And there is not a single State in the Union that prevents gays from marrying. Third, the right to same-sex marriage is also found in the 10th Amendment as is the right to polygamy and the right to marry siblings. For each of these, the absence of federal law yields control to the States.
But then the right of gays to marry is not what you are supporting. Instead, you support denying the States from establishing their own marriage laws, which in itself has zero Constitutional basis. So enough of your 'championing the Constitution' BS. Because you really don't believe in the Constitution, preferring instead the tyranny of the courts to impose your will upon others at the point of a gun.
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Yes. So being Conservative in 2017 means thinking America is the root of evil in the free world, jailing gays, having a Jewish lawyer and arguing the bible supersedes the Constitution......or at least the parts you agree with (These are all things Roy Moore said out of his own mouth in front of a camera).
Good luck with that.
As I've said several times previously to you directly today, Roy Moore has forgotten more about our Constitution than you, and many others here, will ever know!
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Dems are already making noise today about waiting until Jones is seated to vote on tax reform.
And Republicans are stupid enough to allow it.
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LOL. I'm not wasting time on that stupidity. The people here who wrap themselves up in the Founders to get back to "original intent" now think the mechanism they put in place to correct problems is garbage.
The mechanism is just fine. Some of the things that have been done with it are not. Like tools, you can have the best and still do shitty work.
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Yes. So being Conservative in 2017 means thinking America is the root of evil in the free world, jailing gays, having a Jewish lawyer and arguing the bible supersedes the Constitution......or at least the parts you agree with (These are all things Roy Moore said out of his own mouth in front of a camera).
Good luck with that.
Um.... except that.... all of those comments had more to do with Moore's "religious zeal" than to do with any "conservative" bent he may have claimed to have. He was, after all, a former DemocRat.
This constant bullshit of blaming Conservatives as usual is asinine, IMO. But highly indicative of why the nation is as screwed up as it is... and headed for the cliff, once again.
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This is why we can't have nice things.
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You and I both know they will.
Leaves us with a nice, ready answer in our breast pockets, doesn't it?
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I have to wonder..... if the motivation behind some of the anti-Moore folks wasn't the glaringly obvious fact... that many of those that opposed Moore are also rabid anti-Trumpers.
Their motivation being the same as the Democrats' motivation. Get Moore out by handing the seat to a Democrat that will shift the balance of the majority towards the rats in the 2018 election. Perhaps they are counting on the rats winning control back of Congress next year... so that Trump can be impeached? I hate to think anyone could or would be willing to trash America and give the Democrats control again.... to the detriment of the entire nation.... just to get rid of Trump. But....
Does Trump hatred extend to the point that people would deliberately spike the party and the movement just to fulfill their own prophecies about Trump being a "bad" candidate?
Possibly it was a factor, but I perceive that there were a lot of people who simply hated Moore because they hate old white religious types becoming involved in politics.
They looked for reasons to support their disdain for the man, and embraced any they found unquestioningly.
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The good news? Now the precendent has been set. And it's time now to turn the tables and get the dirt on the Rats...every single one of them. They want to play that game? Well guess, what? We can play it, too.
Well, good luck with that. What is 'dirt' on Republicans is a resume enhancer for a Democrat.
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Dems are already making noise today about waiting until Jones is seated to vote on tax reform.
I don't think Chinless will fall for that (really!), but he will whiff the vote somehow. Look for a key defection (probably one of the two Senators from AZ).
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Exactly right. In case anyone is still wondering why nothing is getting done re: Trump's conservative promises.... look no further than Bitch McConnell. He is the proverbial snake in the grass Judas... and nothing will change as long as he is there and in charge.
Whoever runs against McConnel in the primary or the General will get my donations, Even if Hillary moves to Kentucky and runs for the seat.
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@XenaLee
It's one of the great political paradoxes of our times...the voters are likely to cast out Republicans in favor of Democrats because the Republicans failed to undo what Democrats did....
The irony is sublime, ain't it! Sublime and tragic.
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You can tie your wagon to the guy who defended himself when asked if he did this kiddy stuff said "No, not generally" or "It was not my customary behavior". Real resounding denial there.
I'll pass on that.
You aren't passing on that, you are reformulating the premise and conflating it with the worst accusations. You even use the prejudicial descriptive terms like "kiddy", and "rape", and so forth.
We get it. You didn't like Moore in the first place, and now you are seeing your own preconceived notions as validated. How nice for you.
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Whoever runs against McConnel in the primary or the General will get my donations, Even if Hillary moves to Kentucky and runs for the seat.
Well..... I would never cast a vote for ANY damned Clinton bitch...
but other than that, I would support anyone running against the McConnell bitch...lol.
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I hate Moore. I hated Moore before the allegations.
Res ipsa loquitur.
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@Jazzhead
It pains me greatly to say this, but I agree. Especially on the 'lazy' part.
Because harder work would have given him the victory.
There might have been two people in Alabama that hadn't yet made up their mind, and they might have been persuaded if Moore had just held some more campaign rallies or something.
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Tempo? He was accused of attempting to rape a girl, and molesting an underaged girl. What on God's green earth does "Tempo" have to do with it?
Moore could have been in a Coma in the Hospital and still won if these accusations hadn't been ginned up.
The problem is that they knocked him on his heels, and campaign was reactive from there. I'll grant he was financially hamstrung, but his counter-PR never got it's footing, and disappearing from the trail the last few weeks did him no favors. He ended up playing their game, instead of his.
Whether changing that would have made a difference in the election I don't know. The GOP turned out well, the Dems turnout was near unbelieveable.
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That is hand waving. That is a "fact" not in evidence. Just how do you defend a man against accusations that he dropped an investigation in exchange for a Senate appointment?
Especially since the governor in question did ACTUALLY resign and is considered "dirty".
All the media has to do is keep repeating it, and the usually suspects around here (and elsewhere) would say "we can't support this deeply flawed candidate."
I think pointing out numerous past examples where this same tactic has been employed to cause a loss is pretty good evidence that it would once again be employed and would have likely been successful in this last election.
No it's speculation on your part and nothing else. Strange was endorsed by a President who won the state easily a year ago. Trump was also accused of corruption and sexual impropriety, but they still voted for him overwhelmingly. How would voters in this state be so easily swayed by the media in one instance but not the other?
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Does Trump hatred extend to the point that people would deliberately spike the party and the movement just to fulfill their own prophecies about Trump being a "bad" candidate?
Possibly it was a factor, but I perceive that there were a lot of people who simply hated Moore because they hate old white religious types becoming involved in politics.
They looked for reasons to support their disdain for the man, and embraced any they found unquestioningly.
Perhaps, but that's neither here nor there. I firmly believe that had the rats not pulled a Herman Cain on Moore, he would have won and beat the Democrat handily. They did, once again, what works for them. And that is partly (if not mostly) due to stupidity and gullibility of the American voters. Most voters have no clue who the rats are, what they represent and what depths they will delve into (sewage level) in order to win.
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He's busy mocking the tenth. Didn't even make it past there.
The tenth effectively has little meaning anymore. It is routinely ignored in both spirit and letter, and primarily because of the poorly written and over extensive 14th.
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Leaves us with a nice, ready answer in our breast pockets, doesn't it?
Yeah, but thats some measly consolation prize.
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Any (and every) time a Democrat wins.... America loses.
And anyone blaming Conservatism for this and any other thing that's wrong with politics these days is only outing themselves and their real ideology and agenda.
What this election proves is that the Democrats (and Soros) can throw money at the politics of personal destruction and slander and win .... because there are just that many (or just enough) morons out there that will fall for it every time its tried.
Sad, that.
@XenaLee
I'm outed again as a Soros Democrat.
I'll say it again, when people on the right get behind a credibly accused molester, conservatism means nothing anymore. It's dead.
Can't blame the left for that.
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Whoever runs against McConnel in the primary or the General will get my donations, Even if Hillary moves to Kentucky and runs for the seat.
They had their chance the last go around to primary him. It's not like the candidate was bad, because they thought enough of Bevin to later make him governor.
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And little birds could chirp in the forest to achieve the same degree of rationality it would engender.
The "herd" was turned because it was spooked.
@DiogenesLamp
Silly females.
Face it, the only people whose chirps mattered chirped by writing in someone besides the two train wrecks running.
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I don't blame the anti-Trump Republicans so much as the failure of the religious types in the rural areas to turn out. It shows that sliming Moore with the sexual stuff had its desired effect on many religious conservatives. Because they had doubts, they stayed home.
This part I consider quite likely correct.
Moore also made a serious mistake in failing to show his face in public toward the end.
This part I think is overblown. I don't think Moore showing his face more and more toward's the end would have changed very many people's minds.
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Yeah, but thats some measly consolation prize.
Well...yeah. But we'd just have to find another had he won and Chinless stilled whiffed the Tax vote.
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I will, because the only people on any position to 'get Trump' were the AL voters that turned out in much larger numbers last Nov and gave him 62% of the vote. These are voters that heard Trump get maligned much heavier and longer than Moore. They didn't believe in Roy. Why should anyone outside AL?
Did I miss the part where Trump was accused, judged and convicted of Kiddie rape by many of his fellow party members?
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Because harder work would have given him the victory.
Yes.
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Did I miss the part where Trump was accused, judged and convicted of Kiddie rape by many of his fellow party members?
Trump worked harder than Moore.
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@XenaLee
I'm outed again as a Soros Democrat.
Impossible. I never see you at any of the meetings.
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Did I miss the part where Trump was accused, judged and convicted of Kiddie rape by many of his fellow party members?
No - and neither did I, because I referred to it indirectly in the post you quoted and directly in comment 808.
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Sarc away.... but the fact remains.... that those opposed to Moore in order to "get Trump" or stick it to Trump due to their hatred and bias against him just took a giant step towards handing the keys of the nation back to the enemy within.... the DemocRats. Roll your eyes on that fact.
See, with this mindset to butt up against, you can't have a reasonable discussion. Criticism of Trump is "hate." Simply not liking the man is "hate." I've never liked him, but the last time I checked, Americans are under no obligation to "like" any politician. So why do we portray dislike as a violent, passionate emotion when few people are that emotionally wrapped up in politics?
When the allegations came out against Moore, I didn't know what to think. I formed my opinion later, when more information came out. So I guess I'm at least one who isn't engaged in some scheme to "get" Trump.
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Your commentary has been exceptionally relevant for the last several pages.
Thank You, as has yours.
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(http://www.mywordwizard.com/image-files/hyperbole-poems.gif)
It must be great, there's so much of it!
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What the Moore-hating doofuses don't realize is that the Dems do this in every race. They did it to my candidates when I was running their campaign, now they've taken it up another level with Moore.
Yes, it's astonishing to me that they don't recognize this playbook. It's like this sort of smear tactic is an utterly new thing to them, while the rest of us have seen it happen over and over again already.
Expect every candidate from here to get Cained and Cruzed, and watch the oh so morally superior so-called conservatives run and hide on every one.
Oh that won't happen. The people who lose after all sorts of malicious accusations against them are weaponized by the establishment media, will have been found to be "bad candidates."
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Oh pish posh. The right of gays to marry was found in the 14th amendment,
In the manner that a Magician "finds" a rabbit in a Hat.
(https://gidaspov.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/magician-pulling-a-rabbit-001.jpg)
In 1868, "gays" would have been tossed into houses of bedlam. Or Prison.
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@XenaLee
I'm outed again as a Soros Democrat.
I'll say it again, when people on the right get behind a credibly accused molester, conservatism means nothing anymore. It's dead.
Can't blame the left for that.
You've outted yourself as a Soros drone?
Okey dokey, then.
First of all.... none of what Moore was accused of has been proven as factual. Moore may have been a flawed person and a flawed candidate, but that does not mean that he is a child molester, as you have accused him of being.
So... give my regards to Georgy. Cause he is definitely headed for Hell. You want to join him?
Bearing false witness (the ninth Commandment) against someone merely accused and NOT PROVEN to be a child molester is a sin, by the way. And then blaming Conservatives and/or Conservatism is a dead giveaway. You and Georgy have a nice life. ^-^
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@CatherineofAragon et al
Throughout this campaign, I purposely reserved judgment against Moore, waiting for more evidence to come forth. I was willing to dismiss the yearbook scribblings and the 40-year-old claims against him in the absence of any established patterns. However, examining his behavior during the campaign, I can only conclude that there is something not right about him.
Many here have held him up as a standard-bearer of the Christian faith. However, it is clear by his inaction that he is driven by fear instead of faith. And fear is a sin.
So regardless of his guilt or innocence with these old charges, what matters to me now is this:
- Moore was not willing to fight to win the seat. He shied from campaigning. He failed to make is case for why he would make a good Senator.
- Moore was not able to admit the above. He lacks the humility to admit his flaws, and to recognize that he had no business entering this race to begin with. And even now, that same ego will not allow him to concede defeat.
Just my two cents.
@Hoodat
Your point of view is similar to mine. I said a moment ago that I didn't know what to think when the story first broke. I formed my opinion later, when more information was released.
Very good insights on your part, I think. Aside from the sex issue, it's not hard to see that Moore is an unfit candidate. He said that he didn't take a salary from his nonprofit, but that was proven to be a lie; he also had his family on the payroll. He's sleazy, shifty, and a grandstander.
When it comes to the molestation charges, his story constantly changed. He didn't behave like an innocent man.
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Thank You, as has yours.
You're my favorite poster here! ^-^
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As I've said several times previously to you directly today, Roy Moore has forgotten more about our Constitution than you, and many others here, will ever know!
lol
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See, with this mindset to butt up against, you can't have a reasonable discussion. Criticism of Trump is "hate." Simply not liking the man is "hate." I've never liked him, but the last time I checked, Americans are under no obligation to "like" any politician. So why do we portray dislike as a violent, passionate emotion when few people are that emotionally wrapped up in politics?
When the allegations came out against Moore, I didn't know what to think. I formed my opinion later, when more information came out. So I guess I'm at least one who isn't engaged in some scheme to "get" Trump.
So... in your mind... my comment about "their" equated to mean you?
Methinks that thou doest protesteth too much. :silly:
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Nothing like being thrown to the wolves by "your own" party at the first sign of allegations, and having your national party funding pulled, except maybe being threatened by one of "your own" with being unseated the moment you get elected. The death of the GOP has begun.
These acts reinforce the credibility of the accusations in the public's mind. There is a certain amount of "herd mentality" at work in any human population, and many people simply said "well, the accusations must be true, or else the Republicans wouldn't have suspended their funding of this candidate.
The behavior of the National party sent the message to the public that the accusations had merit.
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Yes, it's astonishing to me that they don't recognize this playbook. It's like this sort of smear tactic is an utterly new thing to them, while the rest of us have seen it happen over and over again already.
Sad part is, it's already happening, literally the very next day.
Kentucky Rep. Dan Johnson won't resign, says sexual abuse allegations are politically motivated
Courier Journal, Dec 12 2017, Phillip M. Bailey and Thomas Novelly
A Kentucky lawmaker accused of sexually abusing a teenager said Tuesday that he would not resign from office and that the allegations are false and politically motivated.
"This allegation concerning this lady, this young girl, absolutely has no merit, these are unfounded accusations, totally," state Rep. Dan Johnson, R-Mount Washington, said at a press conference at his church attended by family, campaign volunteers and members of his congregation.
Johnson, a self-anointed "pope" of his congregation, is accused of sexually abusing a member of Heart of Fire Church in the Fern Creek area when she was 17.
The woman, who is now 21, alleges Johnson molested her after a New Year’s party in 2012, according to a wide-ranging report on Johnson published Monday by the Kentucky Center for Investigative Reporting...
And Republican House leaders, including Speaker Pro Tempore David Osborne, said in a statement that the latest allegations were "shocking" and that Johnson should resign. The group said the "victim’s statements, made on the record in her own name, are compelling and deeply troubling."
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/12/dan-johnson-sexual-abuse-allegations-kentucky-legislator/942339001/ (https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/12/dan-johnson-sexual-abuse-allegations-kentucky-legislator/942339001/)
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I will, because the only people on any position to 'get Trump' were the AL voters that turned out in much larger numbers last Nov and gave him 62% of the vote. These are voters that heard Trump get maligned much heavier and longer than Moore. They didn't believe in Roy. Why should anyone outside AL?
Naybe because peopel weren't running around from both parties calling Trump a baby raper.
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You've outted yourself as a Soros drone?
Okey dokey, then.
First of all.... none of what Moore was accused of has been proven as factual. Moore may have been a flawed person and a flawed candidate, but that does not mean that he is a child molester, as you have accused him of being.
So... give my regards to Georgy. Cause he is definitely headed for Hell. You want to join him?
Bearing false witness (the ninth Commandment) against someone merely accused and NOT PROVEN to be a child molester is a sin, by the way. And then blaming Conservatives and/or Conservatism is a dead giveaway. You and Georgy have a nice life. ^-^
Lmao
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Impossible. I never see you at any of the meetings.
Well... obviously....
she Skypes them. :silly: :silly: :silly:
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True, the NYC media spewed their predictable propaganda as lavishly as usual. Which was lapped up nationally.
But I'm as sure the money Soros & the democrats sent to Alabama bought alot of commericals & get-out-the-vote time locally. Handing out cigarettes to bums and driving buses form poll to poll statewide on election night costs money.
There is probably some truth to that. Yes, money had some impact, but it wasn't the deciding factor.
It was the lies spread by Moore's opponents in both the Democrat and Republican parties.
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Maybe because people weren't running around from both parties calling Trump a baby raper.
No, people from both parties were just calling him a misogynistic, libertine, Russian-colluding whoremaster.
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These acts reinforce the credibility of the accusations in the public's mind. There is a certain amount of "herd mentality" at work in any human population, and many people simply said "well, the accusations must be true, or else the Republicans wouldn't have suspended their funding of this candidate.
The behavior of the National party sent the message to the public that the accusations had merit.
True, come to think of it. The RINOe set the stage on this defeat as much as the Soros Democrats did. Good point.
Seriously and sadly... this will only result in yet more voters staying home next year rather than vote GOP.
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No, people from both parties were just calling him a misogynistic, libertine, Russian-colluding whoremaster.
You left out "Obama bed-peeing"...lol.
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Impossible. I never see you at any of the meetings.
@Hoodat
Plausible deniability. George's new rule.
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Then revisit some of the other posters that referred to his campaign style in more plain language. Perhaps they explained it better.
The confusion for me is the belief you express that "style" had the slightest thing to do with it.
Pray tell, what sort of candidate could have "styled" his way out of accusations of rape and child molestation?
What sort of candidate could have survived having his party withdraw finances while alleging the accusations made the candidate unworthy of their support?
Ronald Reagan would have been wrecked had something like this happened to him.
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You left out "Obama bed-peeing"...lol.
Well....that was implied with the last part.
For the record, I never believed the dossier story or the collusion nonsense. I have no doubt he was a skirt chaser. Nevertheless, my problem with him has been authenticity. I fully expect to be disappointed in his lack of conservatism down the road, as we were with Bush 41 and 43.
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You've outted yourself as a Soros drone?
Okey dokey, then.
First of all.... none of what Moore was accused of has been proven as factual. Moore may have been a flawed person and a flawed candidate, but that does not mean that he is a child molester, as you have accused him of being.
So... give my regards to Georgy. Cause he is definitely headed for Hell. You want to join him?
Bearing false witness (the ninth Commandment) against someone merely accused and NOT PROVEN to be a child molester is a sin, by the way. And then blaming Conservatives and/or Conservatism is a dead giveaway. You and Georgy have a nice life. ^-^
Who was the credibly accused 'child molester'? Heck harvey Weinstein is the only one I've heard of recently in the press and he isnt a politician.
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Yes. So being Conservative in 2017 means thinking America is the root of evil in the free world, jailing gays, having a Jewish lawyer and arguing the bible supersedes the Constitution......or at least the parts you agree with (These are all things Roy Moore said out of his own mouth in front of a camera).
Good luck with that.
Yes, it was all that stuff that cost him the election.
Sharpest knife in the drawer you are.
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@Hoodat
Plausible deniability. George's new rule.
@CatherineofAragon
George only told you it was a new rule to get on your good side. True. :pondering:
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Conservatives, at least 'real conservatives', didn't ""go over to the other side"". They just didn't vote. They allowed the seriousness of the charges/accusations against Moore to weigh in on their decision not to vote. Just as.... many will sit home next year, rather than vote for a RINO-controlled GOP that has betrayed them pretty much every step of the way. Unfortunately, many have no clue just how critical it is that the Democrats, including the RINOs, be kept out of power. They will find out...
the hard way.
In keeping with my constantly voiced contention that elections are binary, "not voting" still creates a binary result, and in this case helped the guy who won.
Doug Jones benefited massively from "conservatives" who didn't conserve anything.
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The confusion for me is the belief you express that "style" had the slightest thing to do with it.
Pray tell, what sort of candidate could have "styled" his way out of accusations of rape and child molestation?
What sort of candidate could have survived having his party withdraw finances while alleging the accusations made the candidate unworthy of their support?
Ronald Reagan would have been wrecked had something like this happened to him.
It's all about style nowadays. He probably could have pulled off a win if he had gotten out there and convinced voters that he was innocent and in charge.
Most of the people on this site exempted, that's how voters pick candidates today. By their style. Remember all the "which candidate would you prefer to go have a beer with?" questions.
He had a tough row to hoe, no question, but he could have put up a better "style" fight.
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Who was the credibly accused 'child molester'? Heck harvey Weinstein is the only one I've heard of recently in the press and he isnt a politician.
It's obvious to me that the politically motivated 'timing' of these accusations, just like the Herman Cain accusations, was a tactic/strategy by the left to defeat the GOP and win that seat. It worked like a charm. An evil charm. And it will work again and again for them. Unfortunately, there are just that many gullible, clueless and willing dupes out there that will fall for it.... enough to score another win for the left.
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Whoever runs against McConnel in the primary or the General will get my donations, Even if Hillary moves to Kentucky and runs for the seat.
After finding out that McConnell was behind the racist anti-McDaniel ads in Mississippi, I urged anyone from Kentucky who would listen to vote for the Democrat instead of McConnell.
My position is simple. The only thing worse than an enemy is a traitor.
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It's all about style nowadays. He probably could have pulled off a win if he had gotten out there and convinced voters that he was innocent and in charge.
Most of the people on this site exempted, that's how voters pick candidates today. By their style. Remember all the "which candidate would you prefer to go have a beer with?" questions.
He had a tough row to hoe, no question, but he could have put up a better "style" fight.
Reagan was accused of lying about funding the Contras, he came clean about it but it paralyzed the last two years of his Presidency.
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It's obvious to me that the politically motivated 'timing' of these accusations, just like the Herman Cain accusations, was a tactic/strategy by the left to defeat the GOP and win that seat. It worked like a charm. An evil charm. And it will work again and again for them. Unfortunately, there are just that many gullible, clueless and willing dupes out there that will fall for it.... enough to score another win for the left.
The only point I'd disagree on is that it was limited to the left. I think the GOP was in on it as well
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In keeping with my constantly voiced contention that elections are binary, "not voting" still creates a binary result, and in this case helped the guy who won.
Doug Jones benefited massively from "conservatives" who didn't conserve anything.
So you are blaming Conservatives for that loss? Just because you are not a rabid leftie... that does not automatically equate to or make you a Conservative. There are plenty of GOPers that are no where near being Conservative.
Alabama is a red state currently. Not all of those non-leftist voters are Conservatives. Get it right (pardon pun).
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Whether changing that would have made a difference in the election I don't know. The GOP turned out well, the Dems turnout was near unbelieveable.
I'm thinking there is a good chance it really is unbelievable, and this is why I think a recount needs to be sought, ala Franken in Minnesota.
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Oh pish posh. The right of gays to marry was found in the 14th amendment, which as part of the federal Constitution overrides contrary provisions in state constitutions. You'd be agreeing with me, of course, if the federal right at stake were the 2nd Amendment.
What hypocrisy? Do you even know the meaning of the term? I early on urged the Alabama GOP to rescind its nomination, precisely because I wanted a conservative to win the seat. Third trimester abortions? Of course, I'm against. Gun control? I support the 2nd Amendment as construed by the Heller court. And as for supporting the liberal agenda, I had a fascinating interaction with a colleague this morning who's stone cold Dem partisan and knows I'm a Republican. He said he was hoping against hope that Moore would win, because of the easy damage it would allow his party to inflict on Republicans leading up to the 2018 elections. I told him that the GOP had dodged a bullet.
Fine. Quote me where in the 14th Amendment it says that homosexuals can marry. QUOTE IT.
You can't. It isn't there. You are trying to use a misapplication of the 14th to supersede the 10th. The Federal Government has NO (zero, nada, none) Constitutional Authority to regulate marriage, either as a civil matter or a sacrament. It is a usurpation of power.
The Heller Court? What "Heller Court"? Chief Justice Heller? Nonsense.
The second amendment says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. They government has usurped that power too, to the tune of thousands of laws and regulations.
No you got the homo-loving gun control supporting baby slaughtering totalitarian guy you wanted. You have exposed yourself and your bullshit once again.
As for the GOP? It was carrying in its waistband and has grievously wounded itself. It's a dead party walking--the bleeding out will take a while, but it is going to happen.
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The only point I'd disagree on is that it was limited to the left. I think the GOP was in on it as well
Yes, of course.... the RINOs and GOP establishment are at fault, as well and as usual. Which is why the nation is or has morphed into a Uniparty system. The left has no real opposition to their agenda now.
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No it's speculation on your part and nothing else. Strange was endorsed by a President who won the state easily a year ago. Trump was also accused of corruption and sexual impropriety, but they still voted for him overwhelmingly. How would voters in this state be so easily swayed by the media in one instance but not the other?
I don't think there is any purpose to me once again pointing out that this tactic of smearing people has worked several times in the past, and that Strange had known liabilities and would have been highly vulnerable to accusations of corruption.
I think you underestimate the Democrats tactical ability and their desperation directed at stealing this seat.
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Fine. Quote me where in the 14th Amendment it says that homosexuals can marry. QUOTE IT.
You can't. It isn't there. You are trying to use a misapplication of the 14th to supersede the 10th. The Federal Government has NO (zero, nada, none) Constitutional Authority to regulate marriage, either as a civil matter or a sacrament. It is a usurpation of power.
The Heller Court? What "Heller Court"? Chief Justice Heller? Nonsense.
The second amendment says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. They government has usurped that power too, to the tune of thousands of laws and regulations.
No you got the homo-loving gun control supporting baby slaughtering totalitarian guy you wanted. You have exposed yourself and your bullshit once again.
As for the GOP? It was carrying in its waistband and has grievously wounded itself. It's a dead party walking--the bleeding out will take a while, but it is going to happen.
Maybe they should get some Celox? I was just suggesting that to @bigheadfred in The Lounge....
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No you got the homo-loving gun control supporting baby slaughtering totalitarian guy you wanted. You have exposed yourself and your bullshit once again.
Nailed it.
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I'm thinking there is a good chance it really is unbelievable, and this is why I think a recount needs to be sought, ala Franken in Minnesota.
No. It's over. A recount would be a waste of time, energy and money, IMO.
The voters had their chance. They were swayed by public opinion and unproven allegations. They have to deal with and live with that reality now.
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Point is.... giving the seat to a Democrat is putting Trump one step closer to an impeachment proceeding... which is what the Trump haters & Democrats are all counting on. The people in Alabama fell victim to the leftist tactics of personal destruction and Herman Caining strategy of the rabid left. They were duped into handing the seat to the rats... despite their support of Trump...
and in a red state. I find that indicative of how the left will be pushing the entire nation full-tilt from now on. They have their playbook and their tactics are working splendidly. It's a danger to the entire nation... not just Alabama or one state. Do you not get that?
Actually, the only place I really see this related to Trump is that he's next on the 'gotcha' hit parade, and just like the Media did with Nixon, they will try to hound him out of office. Keep in mind that Mitch and most of the GOPe don't want Trump, he's upsetting the apple cart and must be cutting into their bottom lines. They will mouth platitudes and limp-wristed support until the vote comes then they'll gleefully (but regrettably, of course) have 'no alternative' to try to rid themselves of someone who has exposed their little pocket stuffing operation in DC.
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Reagan was accused of lying about funding the Contras, he came clean about it but it paralyzed the last two years of his Presidency.
Oh Gawwwd... I can't even tell you how sick and tired I got of hearing the leftists bleat about "Iran-Contra" against Reagan. Have I mentioned how much I detest leftists? lololol
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@XenaLee
behind a credibly accused molester,
I don't think Goebbels pioneered the concept of simply repeating ad infinitum, but he certainly exploited it, as have you.
No, the accusations were not credible. They do in fact contradict each other, and have been found to be incorrect or problematic about important details.
But you keep repeating your assertion that they were "credible." We wouldn't want you to miss any sleep at night.
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Actually, the only place I really see this related to Trump is that he's next on the 'gotcha' hit parade, and just like the Media did with Nixon, they will try to hound him out of office. Keep in mind that Mitch and most of the GOPe don't want Trump, he's upsetting the apple cart and must be cutting into their bottom lines. They will mouth platitudes and limp-wristed support until the vote comes then they'll gleefully (but regrettably, of course) have 'no alternative' to try to rid themselves of someone who has exposed their little pocket stuffing operation in DC.
Of course. All of it.... Weinstein, Stacey, Conyers, etc.... all of it was merely a 'lead up' to their push to oust (or impeach) Trump. There is always an ulterior motive behind what the rabid left does.... if/when they are turning on one of their own .....ie sacrificial lambs are often used by the left, despite their obvious anti-religious bent.
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@DiogenesLamp
Silly females.
Face it, the only people whose chirps mattered chirped by writing in someone besides the two train wrecks running.
They did in fact chose the winner, because elections are always binary. You get either one or the other. They got the default choice.
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Yep! That is exactly what you can expect to see from now on.
Standard pattern: Initial allegation. Didn't take? Double down. Then hit with the dribbled in add-ons, paced to keep the original allegations in the news and phrased to allow the talking heads and newsreaders to use plurals and words like "multiple" and make things seem even worse than they seemed before. As the refutations come out, ignore those in the media and double down again (this ain't blackjack, you can keep going with that). Keep repeating the story over and over, use the same buzzwords across the dial and hammer the big lie home. If all else fails find a write in candidate to split the vote and ensure the win.
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Yes.
That doesn't even make sense to me. I see no way in which more speeches would have converted those "write in" votes to Moore votes.
I see no way in which more speeches would have motivated more voters to come out for Moore.
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I don't think there is any purpose to me once again pointing out that this tactic of smearing people has worked several times in the past, and that Strange had known liabilities and would have been highly vulnerable to accusations of corruption.
I think you underestimate the Democrats tactical ability and their desperation directed at stealing this seat.
That's okay, because I think you're giving them too much credit for beating a terrible candidate with such low turnout by such a small margin. They're 1 out of 5 in these special elections for Trump appointments. Perhaps someone named Mendoza is their chief strategist.
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If I’m trying to create a poll in the poll section, do I just type the options and hit post? Does a mod add the bullets or is there a step I need to do?
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Trump worked harder than Moore.
He also had greater assets (both financially and socially) and was accused of a lot less.
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Oh Gawwwd... I can't even tell you how sick and tired I got of hearing the leftists bleat about "Iran-Contra" against Reagan. Have I mentioned how much I detest leftists? lololol
Yeah, me too. Hated it, they thought they could "Nixon" him. But you have to admit those two years were the worst of his time in office....
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The people they are expecting to round up for the cattle cars are armed.
This ain't no Disney musical, pal!
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Standard pattern: Initial allegation. Didn't take? Double down. Then hit with the dribbled in add-ons, paced to keep the original allegations in the news and phrased to allow the talking heads and newsreaders to use plurals and words like "multiple" and make things seem even worse than they seemed before. As the refutations come out, ignore those in the media and double down again (this ain't blackjack, you can keep going with that). Keep repeating the story over and over, use the same buzzwords across the dial and hammer the big lie home. If all else fails find a write in candidate to split the vote and ensure the win.
You could see the coordination and orchestration. And people just lapped it up, wanting to feel righteous.
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Yes, it was all that stuff that cost him the election.
Sharpest knife in the drawer you are.
LOL. You are spinning like a top to try to make you poor decision to back Moore full tilt the way you did something good.
Why don't you try reading the post I responded too. It didn't say anything about what cost this 3 times a loser his election. I was responding to someone claiming Moore was the poster boy for Conservatism today like Goldwater in '64. From my list of comments Moore made the last month, are you in agreement he is?
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Yeah, me too. Hated it, they thought they could "Nixon" him. But you have to admit those two years were the worst of his time in office....
He actually had the noive to oppose commies (gasp!). They had to try to take him down for that. Had to.
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If I’m trying to create a poll in the poll section, do I just type the options and hit post? Does a mod add the bullets or is there a step I need to do?
I PM'ed the expert...
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They did in fact chose the winner, because elections are always binary. You get either one or the other. They got the default choice.
@DiogenesLamp
Elections are never binary. They took advantage of a third choice, and the consequences of having a lousy candidate came home to roost.
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(https://queerty-prodweb.s3.amazonaws.com/2017/12/roy-moore-loser.jpg)
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If I’m trying to create a poll in the poll section, do I just type the options and hit post? Does a mod add the bullets or is there a step I need to do?
LOL! I can't wait to see that poll!
Have no clue how to create one tho.
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I PM'ed the expert...
Thanks, @Cyber Liberty
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Sad part is, it's already happening, literally the very next day.
The piranhas taste blood in the water. Of course they are going to try to go into a feeding frenzy.
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He actually had the noive to oppose commies (gasp!). They had to try to take him down for that. Had to.
They thought they successfully torpedoed the effort...then the USSR unexpectedly collapsed. LOL.
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LOL! I can't wait to see that poll!
Have no clue how to create one tho.
@Xena Lee
You might like it. I made a promise earlier and I’m gonna keep it.
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Fourteenth Amendment. I'll say it slowly - F-O-U-R-T-E-E-N-T-H Amendment.
I'll try. TENTH AMENDMENT
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Here are the reserved powers: https://www.congress.gov/content/conan/pdf/GPO-CONAN-REV-2016-10-11.pdf (https://www.congress.gov/content/conan/pdf/GPO-CONAN-REV-2016-10-11.pdf)
Marriage isn't there. The regulation of marriage isn't there. It is a power the Federal Government does not lawfully possess under the Constitution.
The Power to regulate Marriage is reserved to the States and the People, and in Alabama BOTH spoke in the adoption of a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman, said Amendment approved by 81% of the electorate.
Claim what you will but the Court is wrong. I'll say that slowly W-R-O-N-G.
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No, people from both parties were just calling him a misogynistic, libertine, Russian-colluding whoremaster.
No they didn't, but even had they done so, It's still a far cry from calling him a child molester and a rapist.
Trump wouldn't have survived that.
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@Xena Lee
You might like it. I made a promise earlier and I’m gonna keep it.
I'd like to see it too. I've never made one, but @corbe does all the time. Ping us when you get it up there?
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The election really wasn't bought with money. It was bought with accusations.
And New York/Washington Propaganda power.
PRECISELY!
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True, come to think of it. The RINOe set the stage on this defeat as much as the Soros Democrats did. Good point.
Seriously and sadly... this will only result in yet more voters staying home next year rather than vote GOP.
I predicted up thread that this betrayal may very well come back to bite them in the butt. I have lost all respect for Flake, Shelby and I have lost a lot of respect for Cruz.
I had no further respect for McConnell or McCain to lose.
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I don't think Goebbels pioneered the concept of simply repeating ad infinitum, but he certainly exploited it, as have you.
No, the accusations were not credible. They do in fact contradict each other, and have been found to be incorrect or problematic about important details.
But you keep repeating your assertion that they were "credible." We wouldn't want you to miss any sleep at night.
@DiogenesLamp
Gobbels learned the craft from the master. One Edward Bernays.
http://www.criticalthink.info/webindex/bernays.htm (http://www.criticalthink.info/webindex/bernays.htm)
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Good grief, you people sound like a bunch of Hillary apologists. Hillary and Moore lost for the exact same reason. They were pathetic lazy candidates who thought the seat would be handed to them.
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@CatherineofAragon
George only told you it was a new rule to get on your good side. True. :pondering:
@Cyber Liberty
I’m just using George. It’s a good paycheck.
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It's all about style nowadays. He probably could have pulled off a win if he had gotten out there and convinced voters that he was innocent and in charge.
How do you do that? Virtually every day I would see "Good Morning America" mention "8 women have accused Moore of Sexual impropriety, including attempted rape and molestation of an underaged girl."
ABC has a hundred billion dollar propaganda machine. What could have reached as deep into people's minds as that?
Most of the people on this site exempted, that's how voters pick candidates today. By their style. Remember all the "which candidate would you prefer to go have a beer with?" questions.
He had a tough row to hoe, no question, but he could have put up a better "style" fight.
His "style" was fine prior to the accusations. Why did it become inadequate after the accusations? Could it be the accusations and the Republican's reaction to them (Deliberately solicited and in a manner to deliberately put them on the spot by the "media") had an effect on the voters?
Hannity's sponsors threatened to drop him for not instantaneously accepting all the accusations against Moore as valid.
How do you fight such power without similar tools possessed by such power?
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@Cyber Liberty
I’m just using George. It’s a good paycheck.
@CatherineofAragon
Hey, it all spends the same when it's time to pay the mortgage. Don't let him start paying you in bitcoin, that chit's gonna crash...
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The only point I'd disagree on is that it was limited to the left. I think the GOP was in on it as well
It is clear the party apparatus did not want this man. They were all too eager to embrace any excuse to destroy his candidacy, and all too reluctant to restore any support they had previously withdrawn.
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I'd like to see it too. I've never made one, but @corbe does all the time. Ping us when you get it up there?
Disclaimer: I really hate it when there's no "None of the above" option.... :silly:
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It is clear the party apparatus did not want this man. They were all too eager to embrace any excuse to destroy his candidacy, and all too reluctant to restore any support they had previously withdrawn.
@DiogenesLamp
Mitch McConnell made it perfectly clear to me that WE were no longer going to be allowed to pick our own candidates LONG ago! Shortly after Ted Cruz was seated in the US. Senate IIRC.
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No. It's over. A recount would be a waste of time, energy and money, IMO.
The voters had their chance. They were swayed by public opinion and unproven allegations. They have to deal with and live with that reality now.
I believe there may very well be examples of fraud throughout the ballots. I believe there were probably thousands of ineligible voters who voted in these elections, and I see no harm in pursuing it.
There is no further risk to going forward with it, and the potential win makes it worth attempting.
Nothing to lose.
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Disclaimer: I really hate it when there's no "None of the above" option.... :silly:
What about "Not Sure"
(https://i.imgur.com/GYhbY.gif)
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No they didn't
Sure they did. I neglected to include bigoted, jingoistic, racist in the accusations, as well.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/where-republicans-stand-on-donald-trump-a-cheat-sheet/481449/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/where-republicans-stand-on-donald-trump-a-cheat-sheet/481449/)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/07/politics/donald-trump-republicans-endorsement/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/07/politics/donald-trump-republicans-endorsement/index.html)
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-praise-russia-iran-assad-criticism-229546 (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-praise-russia-iran-assad-criticism-229546)
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I predicted up thread that this betrayal may very well come back to bite them in the butt. I have lost all respect for Flake, Shelby and I have lost a lot of respect for Cruz.
I had no further respect for McConnell or McCain to lose.
Cruz is between a rock & a hard place though. What else can he do? He has already seen what bucking the system and the establishment gets you. All he can do is stick it out and try to make small steps in the right direction. Right?
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What about "Not Sure"
(https://i.imgur.com/GYhbY.gif)
That would work too. As long as there's another option besides the ones that never seem to fit MY (contrarian?) opinion...heh.
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Standard pattern: Initial allegation. Didn't take? Double down. Then hit with the dribbled in add-ons, paced to keep the original allegations in the news and phrased to allow the talking heads and newsreaders to use plurals and words like "multiple" and make things seem even worse than they seemed before. As the refutations come out, ignore those in the media and double down again (this ain't blackjack, you can keep going with that). Keep repeating the story over and over, use the same buzzwords across the dial and hammer the big lie home. If all else fails find a write in candidate to split the vote and ensure the win.
And i'm pretty sure that the three named witnesses that came forward to claim that they never saw Roy Moore in "the old Hickory House" in 1977, were never put on the air. The very fact that there were such people refuting the claim was never put on the air.
The media-weapon does most of it's damage by omission.
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I'd like to see it too. I've never made one, but @corbe does all the time. Ping us when you get it up there?
@Cyber Liberty
I will. I see @Freya made one too, but I don't think she's on right now.
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I believe there may very well be examples of fraud throughout the ballots. I believe there were probably thousands of ineligible voters who voted in these elections, and I see no harm in pursuing it.
There is no further risk to going forward with it, and the potential win makes it worth attempting.
Nothing to lose.
Some would say that it's a rather Al Goreish (or Al Frankenish?) leftie tactic to demand a recount. I think Moore should accept the defeat gracefully and move the hell on. It really is.... OVAH. He should have fought back with more vehemence, perhaps? Been more convincing? All water under the troll bridge now.
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And i'm pretty sure that the three named witnesses that came forward to claim that they never saw Roy Moore in "the old Hickory House" in 1977, were never put on the air. The very fact that there were such people refuting the claim was never put on the air.
The media-weapon does most of it's damage by omission.
Even if it is the accused himself refuting the claim! I happen to have some personal experience with that!
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@CatherineofAragon
Hey, it all spends the same when it's time to pay the mortgage. Don't let him start paying you in bitcoin, that chit's gonna crash...
@Cyber Liberty
I'm not going for bitcoin. I need my hair products and that stuff is too unstable.
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LOL. You are spinning like a top to try to make you poor decision to back Moore full tilt the way you did something good.
Yes, you can tell i'm "spinning like a top" through my usage of "gotcha" words like "Kiddie raper" and "child molester."
You're too smart for me to fool you!
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Disclaimer: I really hate it when there's no "None of the above" option.... :silly:
@XenaLee
That's the wishy-washy option; I'm not having it, lol.
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@Cyber Liberty
I will. I see @Freya made one too, but I don't think she's on right now.
Polls are easy. I don't think you can put them in the middle of threads though. I could be wrong.
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If I’m trying to create a poll in the poll section, do I just type the options and hit post? Does a mod add the bullets or is there a step I need to do?
@CatherineofAragon NO MOD input is required, if that were the case I'd never get polls published. The KEY is to click on 'NEW POLL' at the top instead of 'NEW TOPIC'. Please feel free to contact me if you have any more questions.
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Elections are never binary.
So who were we going to get except for Moore or Jones?
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@XenaLee
That's the wishy-washy option; I'm not having it, lol.
Ok....but....
just know...
that if I can't respond with "an answer" that fits my special and oh-so-unique outlook :silly:...
I shall not participate.
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So who were we going to get except for Moore or Jones?
You are aware that almost 2% of the vote didn't go for the 2 main candidates, right?
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Good grief, you people sound like a bunch of Hillary apologists. Hillary and Moore lost for the exact same reason. They were pathetic lazy candidates who thought the seat would be handed to them.
I'm thinking it is pathetically lazy to offer this cliche as a serious claim.
Moore lost because two people were urged to gin up accusations against him.
Those accusations caused much of his support to evaporate.
No other reason is even credible.
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Sure they did. I neglected to include bigoted, jingoistic, racist in the accusations, as well.
"Bigoted" and "Racist" are effectively the same thing, and they did accuse Moore of that. "Jingoistic" wouldn't much figure into a state election, but if it did, it would probably win support in Alabama.
More could have survived all the rest of that, but he could not survive his own party making it appear as if the accusations were true.
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Cruz is between a rock & a hard place though. What else can he do? He has already seen what bucking the system and the establishment gets you. All he can do is stick it out and try to make small steps in the right direction. Right?
He could have done as Trump did and either refused to speak on the subject, or opine that it is up to the people of Alabama.
As it is, he picked himself a seat at the rogue's table.
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Moore lost because two people were urged to gin up accusations against him.
To which he had no plausible denial.
Where are the lawsuits Roy threatened against these accusers? Been plenty of time to file them since the accusers went public. Oh. Wait. His Jewish Lawyer is celebrating Hanukkah right now and is unavailable to file.
(http://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/202887_6001.jpg?w=600)
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He could have done as Trump did and either refused to speak on the subject, or opine that it is up to the people of Alabama.
As it is, he picked himself a seat at the rogue's table.
Don't look now....
but the rogue's table is the only table there is.
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"Bigoted" and "Racist" are effectively the same thing, and they did accuse Moore of that. "Jingoistic" wouldn't much figure into a state election, but if it did, it would probably win support in Alabama.
More could have survived all the rest of that, but he could not survive his own party making it appear as if the accusations were true.
To top it off, Trump had his own charge of child rape...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit)
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Even if it is the accused himself refuting the claim! I happen to have some personal experience with that!
I have personal experience with the media deliberately lying and manipulating events to create an incorrect impression among their readers.
There really needs to be an "equal time" provision for people on the receiving end of the media weapon.
Can you imagine what Moore could have done with all that network air time used against him?
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You are aware that almost 2% of the vote didn't go for the 2 main candidates, right?
And that 2% was going to elect what other person?
That 2% did in fact elect Jones. Democrats didn't do any "write in" votes.
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To top it off, Trump had his own charge of child rape...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit)
You know we just found out that was a manufactured story......from Fusion GPS, right?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-12/fusion-gps-tried-and-failed-link-trump-jeffrey-epstein (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-12/fusion-gps-tried-and-failed-link-trump-jeffrey-epstein)
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To which he had no plausible denial.
And what would have been a plausible denial beyond "I didn't molest that girl, and I didn't attempt to rape the other one"?
Three different people who were employees or regulars at the Hickory House in 1977 say they never saw Roy Moore in the place. That puts a big f***ing hole in the story of one of the woman's claims. The other should not have been taken seriously anyways because apart from the drug use, the promiscuity and the suicide attempt at 16, It is completely unreasonable to believe that an assistant district attorney who was responsible for prosecutions, would put himself in any such situation with a 14 year old girl.
Where are the lawsuits Roy threatened against these accusers?
I thought I saw a report Monday that he had actually filed them. I guess we shall see if this report I saw was true.
Been plenty of time to file them since the accusers went public. Oh. Wait. His Jewish Lawyer is celebrating Hanukkah right now and is unavailable to file.
(http://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/202887_6001.jpg?w=600)
Looks like you caught me spinning again. I apparently can't help myself.
I guess that stupid "Our lawyer is a "Jew" " remark really got to you for some reason. It seems to be the straw that has bent you out of shape more than any thing else i've seen from you lately.
Get a grip dude.
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I believe there may very well be examples of fraud throughout the ballots. I believe there were probably thousands of ineligible voters who voted in these elections, and I see no harm in pursuing it.
There is no further risk to going forward with it, and the potential win makes it worth attempting.
Nothing to lose.
The only reason to demand a recount, IMO, is to delay when Jones is seated in place of Strange, to give the GOP the best shot it can at passing the tax bill.
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And that 2% was going to elect what other person?
That 2% did in fact elect Jones. Democrats didn't do any "write in" votes.
Only 40% total turnout in the election, that means 60% didn't even show up to vote.
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To top it off, Trump had his own charge of child rape...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit)
Which also implicates Democrats, and is therefore a Mexican standoff beyond which the media will not pursue.
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The only reason to demand a recount, IMO, is to delay when Jones is seated in place of Strange, to give the GOP the best shot it can at passing the tax bill.
Exactly!
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@Cyber Liberty
I will. I see @Freya made one too, but I don't think she's on right now.
I sent you a PM....
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Only 40% total turnout in the election, that means 60% didn't even show up to vote.
Almost all the "No-Shows" were default support for Jones. It was the ones who showed up and voted third party that were effectively active Jones supporters.
You only get one of two choices. You don't get any other choice. If you don't vote Moore, you get Jones.
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Almost all the "No-Shows" were default support for Jones. It was the ones who showed up and voted third party that were effectively active Jones supporters.
You only get one of two choices. You don't get any other choice. If you don't vote Moore, you get Jones.
Like Bobby sang, "You Gotta Serve Somebody."
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Only 40% total turnout in the election, that means 60% didn't even show up to vote.
You realize that 40% turnout in an off year special election in December is nearly unprecedented?
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Moore also had his own charity paying him and his wife over $1,000,000, he ran in 2011 and even without the accusations, won only 52% to 48%.
For as much as he dominated the primary, Moore squeaked by Robert Vance with 52% of the general election votes.
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/05/weve_seen_this_senate_election.html (http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/05/weve_seen_this_senate_election.html)
Also, for how much one talks about these "write-in" voters, there were many who wanted the GOP, even Trump to help instigate actions so Moore would step aside. The Alabama tried to quell talk of a write-in campaign, but maybe they shouldn't have.
It's clear looking at all of this, Moore is not considered all that strong of a candidate.
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You realize that 40% turnout in an off year special election in December is nearly unprecedented?
Good, yes, this is a non-presidential election year. We have heard this. Why were the Democrats able to get it right? One can say some funding was pulled, that doesn't necessarily stop someone from campaigning though.
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And what would have been a plausible denial beyond "I didn't molest that girl....
Not going on to say that he has fuzzy memories of all the other teen chicks he was "dating" in his 30's.
Roy's a shitbag. Most of the country thinks so. A hell of a lot of solid right wing voters in AL think so. Who are you trying to convince that he is such a great dude here? Yourself? Elections over. He will forever be known as the teen dating 3 time loser.
BTW I can't find any hint that dirty Roy filed anything but his fingernails.....
https://www.google.com/search?q=Roy+Moore+lawsuit&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b (https://www.google.com/search?q=Roy+Moore+lawsuit&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b)
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You realize that 40% turnout in an off year special election in December is nearly unprecedented?
Really? How many of those have happened in AL over the years that we can compare it with?
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And of course this has nothing to do with anything.
https://pjmedia.com/video/bill-oreilly-theres-audio-someone-trying-bribe-woman-accuse-trump-untoward-behavior/
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You know we just found out that was a manufactured story......from Fusion GPS, right?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-12/fusion-gps-tried-and-failed-link-trump-jeffrey-epstein (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-12/fusion-gps-tried-and-failed-link-trump-jeffrey-epstein)
Yes, but I was responding to this a few pages back......
No they didn't, but even had they done so, It's still a far cry from calling him a child molester and a rapist.
Trump wouldn't have survived that.
The campaign issued a statement and the story went away soon after.
The Trump presidential campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment about the forthcoming court proceedings. A lawyer for the Trump Organization told the Guardian in July: “This is basically a sham lawsuit brought by someone who desires to impact the presidential election.â€
My point in bringing it up was to demonstrate how AL voters heard similar stories about R candidates over the past year.
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Moore also had his own charity paying him and his wife over $1,000,000, he ran in 2011 and even without the accusations, won only 52% to 48%.
Most elections throughout history are in this range. This is normal.
It's clear looking at all of this, Moore is not considered all that strong of a candidate.
And once again, this theory is heavily contradicted by the available poll evidence leading up to the accusations. Moore was 15% ahead prior to these accusations.
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2011 wasn't an election year, I know this is brought up whenever an election happens. I though GOP actually did better in Mid-Terms.
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Politics is dirty, I forget who but some candidate was saying Carson was dropping out in Iowa and Rubio in Hawaii. There is a lot of this going on.
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@DiogenesLamp
Silly females.
Face it, the only people whose chirps mattered chirped by writing in someone besides the two train wrecks running.
Which should have forced a runoff since it dropped Jones under 50%. But it didn't. Why?
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Most elections throughout history are in this range. This is normal.
And once again, this theory is heavily contradicted by the available poll evidence leading up to the accusations. Moore was 15% ahead prior to these accusations.
I agree with all of this, still, if Bannon was involved early on, that's a factor too. He was able to shepherd up his troops.
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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,294796.new.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,294796.new.html#new)
Judging @Frank Cannon
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Which should have forced a runoff since it dropped Jones under 50%. But it didn't. Why?
That's in the primary, but not the general.
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@CatherineofAragon NO MOD input is required, if that were the case I'd never get polls published. The KEY is to click on 'NEW POLL' at the top instead of 'NEW TOPIC'. Please feel free to contact me if you have any more questions.
@corbe
I can't believe I was dumb enough not to see that button. Thanks, corbe.
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Not going on to say that he has fuzzy memories of all the other teen chicks he was "dating" in his 30's.
I have pointed out here previously and elsewhere (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3613105/posts?page=42#42)the social dynamics at work in the Hannity interview.
The accusations of Moore dating teenagers was bundled together with the accusation that he molested an underaged girl in such a manner as to reinforce the larger lie. Admission of dating teenagers would have been seen as evidence that the rest of the claim was also true, and Moore didn't realize what trap in which he was caught until it was too late for him to give an optimal response.
(Admit dating teenagers, forcefully deny molesting the girl.)
If you know anything of the art of lying (and I suspect you do) you will be aware that the efficacy of a lie is dramatically increased by mixing a great deal of truth with it. The media stooges that set up this trap deliberately conflated the dating of six other girls with the claimed molestation of the one, and set up the premise in the public mind that admission of one was tantamount to the admission of the other.
This was the premise under which Hannity started his interview, and Moore was completely taken aback by it.
Roy's a shitbag.
Why don't you just stop beating around the bush and tell us all how you really feel? Stop pulling your punches and just admit that so far as you are concerned, Roy Moore is a "Witch!"
Most of the country thinks so.
Most of it that the broadcasting apparatus reaches anyway. I'm sure the two things are completely unconnected.
BTW I can't find any hint that dirty Roy filed anything but his fingernails.....
https://www.google.com/search?q=Roy+Moore+lawsuit&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b (https://www.google.com/search?q=Roy+Moore+lawsuit&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b)
I don't find anything either, but I know I distinctly saw something on the topic Monday either here or over at Free Republic. Not sure there is any way a court could grant relief, because libel laws usually don't cover lies told about public persons. The defendants are likely poor, and so he could get no recompense of any sort from them, and the vile Washington Post is going to claim they just "reported" the story, and so thereby shirk any liability.
Gloria Allred would seem about the only person from whom any revenge could be extracted, but she may have protected herself by making the accusations in New York, and thereby falling under a friendly jurisdiction.
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And now I feel sort of stupid for wasting so much reasoned argument on someone who has clearly demonstrated that they are emotionally driven.
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And i'm pretty sure that the three named witnesses that came forward to claim that they never saw Roy Moore in "the old Hickory House" in 1977, were never put on the air. The very fact that there were such people refuting the claim was never put on the air.
They certainly were never put in a Moore campaign commercial or invited to a Moore campaign stop.
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They certainly were never put in a Moore campaign commercial or invited to a Moore campaign stop.
That one woman didn't want to come forward at all, but finally decided it was the right thing to do. She was reluctant anyways. They did provide names and statements, and that should have been sufficient for a real media to report that the claims of Beverly Nelson were being disputed by three witnesses.
Dragging these people along to campaign stops was not a reasonable idea. People have lives of their own, and how many can just suspend what they are doing for the purpose of becoming a stage prop?
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That one woman didn't want to come forward at all, but finally decided it was the right thing to do. She was reluctant anyways. They did provide names and statements, and that should have been sufficient for a real media to report that the claims of Beverly Nelson were being disputed by three witnesses.
It is not the press' job to help the Moore campaign. It is his job to adequately defend his job, his past, and lay out his plan for the future. And in that regard, Moore failed miserably.
Dragging these people along to campaign stops was not a reasonable idea.
What campaign stops? Seriously.
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Yes, but.... the rats are counting on major wins next year due to voter anger at the GOP for their failures.... namely to repeal Obamacare and probably also for their failure to pass tax cuts (it hasn't passed YET). More folks have turned off to and tuned out to the GOP this year than ever. The rats have a very good chance of regaining the House next year due to that, I think.
With the GOP not only throwing Moore to the Wolves, but participating in that dog pack at the drop of a hat--lending credence to the attack on his Conservative credentials instead of fighting it, it is apparent they want nothing to do with Conservatives. I predict an exodus from the Party, one which has been a trickle but will grow until Conservatives are gone. It is up to Conservatives to create or build another Party and provide the people and alternatives to Liberal same ol' same ol' that we have seen since the TEA party movement rocked the elections.
Energizing that base and invigorating them with the right candidates is key, and must be done in spite of the MSM.
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Alabama is a conservative state. It was impossible for Jones to win without "conservatives" going over to the other side.
Or just staying home. The write in vote would have won the election, so I see that candidacy as a spoiler. Think Kasich staying in too long. Maybe he thought Moore would fold, I don't know, but the effect was the same.
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Or just staying home. The write in vote would have won the election, so I see that candidacy as a spoiler. Think Kasich staying in too long. Maybe he thought Moore would fold, I don't know, but the effect was the same.
Shelby and other GOP traitor-rats, are who we have to thank for stimulating the stay at homes and write in votes.
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All Moore was going to do in DC was to vote on stuff, especially on Trump's SCOTUS picks.
No, McConnel wasn't afraid of that in the least. If Moore was suspected to only be a plac3eholder and a secure vote, Mitch wouldn't have been so hasty to attack. I seriously believe that Mitch was afraid Moore would get an eyefull of 'bidness as usual' on the Hill and expose it. That's why Moore was so soundly attacked by both sides, and the allegations were just an excuse.
In other matters, has Franken resigned yet?....
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That is hand waving. That is a "fact" not in evidence. Just how do you defend a man against accusations that he dropped an investigation in exchange for a Senate appointment?
Especially since the governor in question did ACTUALLY resign and is considered "dirty".
All the media has to do is keep repeating it, and the usually suspects around here (and elsewhere) would say "we can't support this deeply flawed candidate."
I think pointing out numerous past examples where this same tactic has been employed to cause a loss is pretty good evidence that it would once again be employed and would have likely been successful in this last election.
The Seven mistress allegations against Cruz were timed to hit the endcaps in the grocery stores about the same time as the Bible Belt primaries, and it was effective in costing Cruz, so it has worked before. This is just the first time I have seen both Parties use the same tactic to attack a candidate together.
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No, McConnel wasn't afraid of that in the least. If Moore was suspected to only be a plac3eholder and a secure vote, Mitch wouldn't have been so hasty to attack. I seriously believe that Mitch was afraid Moore would get an eyefull of 'bidness as usual' on the Hill and expose it. That's why Moore was so soundly attacked by both sides, and the allegations were just an excuse.
Exposing "business as usual" was exactly what I posted on another thread. Moore had demonstrated time and again that he couldn't be bought, and he wouldn't go along with the "good ole boy" system of Washington DC.
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Well..... I would never cast a vote for ANY damned Clinton bitch...
but other than that, I would support anyone running against the McConnell bitch...lol.
I think it is so important to put that ass out on his (ass) that I will donate to the Democrat if he isn't primaried.
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The Seven mistress allegations against Cruz were timed to hit the endcaps in the grocery stores about the same time as the Bible Belt primaries, and it was effective in costing Cruz, so it has worked before. This is just the first time I have seen both Parties use the same tactic to attack a candidate together.
I used to roll my eyes at "conspiracy theories", but over the last two years I have noticed a pattern of behavior that leads me to believe the two parties are pretty much just sock puppets for the same influential people who more or less control American politics and policies.
They are the "elite" moneyed donors, most of which live between Washington DC and Boston Mass. They own the media, and the media is a tool to influence the public to go along with whatever this "elite" considers to be in it's best interests; Usually to continue or accelerate spending from Washington DC.
Yes, I know it's a crazy theory that rich people who make money from government spending/policy might actually use their wealth and influence to keep that revenue stream coming at as high a level as possible.
"Mercantilism" sort of got out of hand.
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The problem is that they knocked him on his heels, and campaign was reactive from there. I'll grant he was financially hamstrung, but his counter-PR never got it's footing, and disappearing from the trail the last few weeks did him no favors. He ended up playing their game, instead of his.
Whether changing that would have made a difference in the election I don't know. The GOP turned out well, the Dems turnout was near unbelieveable.
It's hard to create a counter to something like that from scratch and get the word out without money. The GOP pulled theirs at the National Level. While he was sent donations from all over, a big chunk of war chest was snatched away when he needed it most.
As for the Dems, the media setup was make allegations, continue to make them and show the polls approaching, and finally with, the desired outcome. Any voter fraud will come out inside the point spread that way.
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I think it is so important to put that ass out on his (ass) that I will donate to the Democrat if he isn't primaried.
Last midterm I tried to talk anyone in Kentucky into voting for the Democrat. My argument was that an enemy soldier was less of a threat than a traitor.
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No it's speculation on your part and nothing else. Strange was endorsed by a President who won the state easily a year ago. Trump was also accused of corruption and sexual impropriety, but they still voted for him overwhelmingly. How would voters in this state be so easily swayed by the media in one instance but not the other?
Recall, if you will, that it was said that Trump could butcher babies in Times Square and not lose support.
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With the GOP not only throwing Moore to the Wolves, but participating in that dog pack at the drop of a hat--lending credence to the attack on his Conservative credentials instead of fighting it, it is apparent they want nothing to do with Conservatives. I predict an exodus from the Party, one which has been a trickle but will grow until Conservatives are gone. It is up to Conservatives to create or build another Party and provide the people and alternatives to Liberal same ol' same ol' that we have seen since the TEA party movement rocked the elections.
Energizing that base and invigorating them with the right candidates is key, and must be done in spite of the MSM.
Excellent analysis @Smokin Joe
Thanks for sharing.
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With the GOP not only throwing Moore to the Wolves, but participating in that dog pack at the drop of a hat--lending credence to the attack on his Conservative credentials instead of fighting it, it is apparent they want nothing to do with Conservatives. I predict an exodus from the Party, one which has been a trickle but will grow until Conservatives are gone. It is up to Conservatives to create or build another Party and provide the people and alternatives to Liberal same ol' same ol' that we have seen since the TEA party movement rocked the elections.
Energizing that base and invigorating them with the right candidates is key, and must be done in spite of the MSM.
I may be the only one here who clearly recalls Mitch McConnell telling us plainly what he was going to do to candidates he didn't approve of but I most certainly recall him doing it.
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Conservatism has no future when those who claim to practice it rush to judgement to vilify their own.
It has become another meaningless term, stocked with the ranks of hypocrites and liars who push their personal issues at the expense of the Constitution and all it stands for..
Not a word more truly written! They aren't conservative if they violate the constitutional rights of others by rushing their own personal judgment.
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These acts reinforce the credibility of the accusations in the public's mind. There is a certain amount of "herd mentality" at work in any human population, and many people simply said "well, the accusations must be true, or else the Republicans wouldn't have suspended their funding of this candidate.
The behavior of the National party sent the message to the public that the accusations had merit.
And McConnell led the way. Which is why I will do all I can to see him defeated.
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Not a word more truly written! They aren't conservative if they violate the constitutional rights of others by rushing their own personal judgment.
@RetBobbyMI
Absolutely agree! Unquestionably true!
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It's all about style nowadays. He probably could have pulled off a win if he had gotten out there and convinced voters that he was innocent and in charge.
Most of the people on this site exempted, that's how voters pick candidates today. By their style. Remember all the "which candidate would you prefer to go have a beer with?" questions.
He had a tough row to hoe, no question, but he could have put up a better "style" fight.
It still takes money and the National GOP had cut him off at the knees, there. Not only did they give credence to the allegations by doing so, they rushed to cut off the financial support which would have ordinarily been available to the candidate
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"For those screaming 'WAPO hit job' you had a candidate:
Who when asked if he dated teenagers as a 30 yr old said 'not usually'
Warned of shariah courts being established in Michigan and Illinois
Had surrogates tell a pregnant host 'Doug Jones wants to abort your baby'
Said America was better during the era of slavery.... TO A BLACK MAN
Wanted to repeal the 13th and 14th amendments
Had his wife counter charges of insensitivity towards Jews with 'my lawyer is a Jew'
Spent the final day of the campaign arguing over whether people had to take the oath of office on a Christian bible, and if homosexuality should be criminalized.
But please, please tell me how he lost due to a media hit job."
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It still takes money and the National GOP had cut him off at the knees, there. Not only did they give credence to the allegations by doing so, they rushed to cut off the financial support which would have ordinarily been available to the candidate
@Sanguine
@Smokin Joe
In addition to the media smear campaign Moore was outspent by Jones 14 to 1. Members of his own party, including Alabama's other senator, campaigned against him.
It may be true that Moore could've ran a better campaign, but c'mon - no one overcomes disadvantages like that. But he damn near did.
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"For those screaming 'WAPO hit job' you had a candidate:
Who when asked if he dated teenagers as a 30 yr old said 'not usually'
Warned of shariah courts being established in Michigan and Illinois
Had surrogates tell a pregnant host 'Doug Jones wants to abort your baby'
Said America was better during the era of slavery.... TO A BLACK MAN
Wanted to repeal the 13th and 14th amendments
Had his wife counter charges of insensitivity towards Jews with 'my lawyer is a Jew'
Spent the final day of the campaign arguing over whether people had to take the oath of office on a Christian bible, and if homosexuality should be criminalized.
But please, please tell me how he lost due to a media hit job."
When I saw your name as the last poster in this thread, I said to myself, "I wonder what ill thought out absurdity shall have emerged from the keyboard of Kevin Davis?"
And now I know!
Yes, it was pretty much the media hit job that did him in. That other stuff would be given very little consideration in Alabama, but the possibility of electing an accused child molester/rapist? And his own party acting like the accusations were true?
*THAT* was a bridge too far.
But don't mind me, just carry on with your foolish assumption that you have a grasp of Alabama demographics.
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Not withstanding anything about Moore himself, anyone in the on the GOP side of the Senate who complains or makes any statement that they can't get anything done because of the slim majority or the Dem obstructionists, ought to flamed face first into the podium. They have no room to any complaint when they sent one of their own off to the wolves without any support. If they had their super majority already, then I would understand. But in these times, shame on them. 22222frying pan
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Not going on to say that he has fuzzy memories of all the other teen chicks he was "dating" in his 30's.
Roy's a shitbag. Most of the country thinks so. A hell of a lot of solid right wing voters in AL think so. Who are you trying to convince that he is such a great dude here? Yourself? Elections over. He will forever be known as the teen dating 3 time loser.
BTW I can't find any hint that dirty Roy filed anything but his fingernails.....
https://www.google.com/search?q=Roy+Moore+lawsuit&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b (https://www.google.com/search?q=Roy+Moore+lawsuit&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b)
Frankly, I don't give a damn what the "rest of the country" thinks, because with alarming consistency, they don't (think).
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Politics is dirty, I forget who but some candidate was saying Carson was dropping out in Iowa and Rubio in Hawaii. There is a lot of this going on.
CNN
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@Sanguine
@Smokin Joe
In addition to the media smear campaign Moore was outspent by Jones 14 to 1. Members of his own party, including Alabama's other senator, campaigned against him.
It may be true that Moore could've ran a better campaign, but c'mon - no one overcomes disadvantages like that. But he damn near did.
@skeeter, @Smokin Joe, yes, the lack of funding was a problem, but I was just commenting that you can't win without the right persona any more. Look at Hillary. All the money and support in the world and she came off as unlikeable. I don't think she'd share if you went to have a beer with her.
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Frankly, I don't give a damn what the "rest of the country" thinks, because with alarming consistency, they don't (think).
"Sheep, thought I."
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I used to roll my eyes at "conspiracy theories", but over the last two years I have noticed a pattern of behavior that leads me to believe the two parties are pretty much just sock puppets for the same influential people who more or less control American politics and policies.
They are the "elite" moneyed donors, most of which live between Washington DC and Boston Mass. They own the media, and the media is a tool to influence the public to go along with whatever this "elite" considers to be in it's best interests; Usually to continue or accelerate spending from Washington DC.
Yes, I know it's a crazy theory that rich people who make money from government spending/policy might actually use their wealth and influence to keep that revenue stream coming at as high a level as possible.
"Mercantilism" sort of got out of hand.
uh huh
When they brought about the Federal Reserve the game was OVER.
And TENS OF MILLIONS of people have either been useful idiots, cannon fodder, or both, since.
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"For those screaming 'WAPO hit job' you had a candidate:
Who when asked if he dated teenagers as a 30 yr old said 'not usually'
Warned of shariah courts being established in Michigan and Illinois
Had surrogates tell a pregnant host 'Doug Jones wants to abort your baby'
Said America was better during the era of slavery.... TO A BLACK MAN
Wanted to repeal the 13th and 14th amendments
Had his wife counter charges of insensitivity towards Jews with 'my lawyer is a Jew'
Spent the final day of the campaign arguing over whether people had to take the oath of office on a Christian bible, and if homosexuality should be criminalized.
But please, please tell me how he lost due to a media hit job."
This ^^^^^
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"Sheep, thought I."
Electric dreams.
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@skeeter, @Smokin Joe, yes, the lack of funding was a problem, but I was just commenting that you can't win without the right persona any more. Look at Hillary. All the money and support in the world and she came off as unlikeable. I don't think she'd share if you went to have a beer with her.
I'm thinking that accusations of child molesting and attempted rape would tend to make anyone viewed as "unlikeable."
But beyond that, I can name any number of office holders who I do not consider "likeable" at all. Don't they say "Politics is Hollywood for ugly people"?
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uh huh
When they brought about the Federal Reserve the game was OVER.
And TENS OF MILLIONS of people have either been useful idiots, cannon fodder, or both, since.
I am coming around to this view more with each passing year. The Federal Reserve makes a lot of these money games possible.
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Electric dreams.
Actually, "Clockwork Orange." But the sentiment applies very well in politics where huge masses of people really are led by the nose or driven by noise in the direction they are desired to go.
What we think of as "Democracy" is really mostly a staged drama. You only have to manipulate the middle few percent (in most cases) to create the outcome you prefer.
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"For those screaming 'WAPO hit job' you had a candidate:
Who when asked if he dated teenagers as a 30 yr old said 'not usually'
Warned of shariah courts being established in Michigan and Illinois
Had surrogates tell a pregnant host 'Doug Jones wants to abort your baby'
Said America was better during the era of slavery.... TO A BLACK MAN
Wanted to repeal the 13th and 14th amendments
Had his wife counter charges of insensitivity towards Jews with 'my lawyer is a Jew'
Spent the final day of the campaign arguing over whether people had to take the oath of office on a Christian bible, and if homosexuality should be criminalized.
But please, please tell me how he lost due to a media hit job."
True, on top of this, it's one of the reddest states in the US, Strange or Brooks would have walked it in all likelihood.
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True, on top of this, it's one of the reddest states in the US, Strange or Brooks would have walked it in all likelihood.
Or any Republican not accused of rape and child molesting and treated as if he were guilty by the members of his own party.
Yeah, anyone that didn't have to go through that would have walked it.
Freakin unbelievable that people keep ignoring the f***ing elephant in the room.
It's like i'm Mr Douglas in "Green Acres."
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@dfwgator
(https://i.imgflip.com/211md1.jpg)
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Or any Republican not accused of rape and child molesting and treated as if he were guilty by the members of his own party.
Yeah, anyone that didn't have to go through that would have walked it.
Freakin unbelievable that people keep ignoring the f***ing elephant in the room.
It's like i'm Mr Douglas in "Green Acres."
Amazing, isn't it? I'm gobsmacked at the reactions around here.
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I was just reading Al.com and they have an article that said Jones' first day was as a Centrist. If he wants to keep that seat 3 years from now, he may have to become a Centrist. It sounds possible.
Jones went to a Baptist Law School I understand and he's a Methodist, so we will see if he changes his demeanor any.
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I was just reading Al.com and they have an article that said Jones' first day was as a Centrist. If he wants to keep that seat 3 years from now, he may have to become a Centrist. It sounds possible.
Jones went to a Baptist Law School I understand and he's a Methodist, so we will see if he changes his demeanor any.
Horse crap. When Chuckie says "Jump!" Jones will say, "How High?"
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Amazing, isn't it? I'm gobsmacked at the reactions around here.
It feels as if real, thinking human beings were replaced by mindless Pod people.
(https://borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/invasion-of-the-body-snatchers.jpg)
Our guy get's knifed in the Front by the Democrats, and then Knifed in the Back by the Republicans, and then people complain he is a "flawed candidate" because he has holes in him.
Unreal.
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I was just reading Al.com and they have an article that said Jones' first day was as a Centrist. If he wants to keep that seat 3 years from now, he may have to become a Centrist. It sounds possible.
Jones went to a Baptist Law School I understand and he's a Methodist, so we will see if he changes his demeanor any.
What I am hearing is:
"Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play? "
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I have cited specific examples where Roy has either said or was fired over being a Constitutional illiterate. Do you claim that none of that happened?
Roy Moore is a phony loudmouth and a stupid moron.....
Alabama voters restored Moore to the chief justiceship in 2012, but once again he would not finish his term. This time the issue was gay marriage. Like many, Moore feels Obergefell v. Hodges was wrongly decided, but he, further, believed that the Constitution does not require Alabama to recognize same-sex unions legalized by the decision. As in his fight over the Decalogue monument, Moore thought his opinions entitled him to disregard federal court orders. This time he went even further, publicly declaring his resistance to Obergefell and instructing state probate court judges to follow suit, even after federal courts issued orders against Alabama officials. Moore again denied the authority of federal courts, and again the Alabama judicial inquiry commission cut his term short.
@Frank Cannon ... You say Roy Moore is a "Constitutional illiterate" and offer a liberal version of the events on his second removal as proof. 3 arguments in your article you quote... I will address only one.
Lets just say even the liberal NYsLimes takes issue with it. Stupid classless jokes and articles that don't even scrape at truth are a waste of time to read in my opinion.
Try these two articles that at least somewhat honestly get to the constitutionality of Moore's position. There is better in depth articles, but I would have to dig through a lot of junk to find them (if they are even still valid URLs)..
The problem was, the plaintiffs sued only Luther Strange, the attorney general, who is an official of the executive branch. The attorney general doesn't issue marriage licenses and doesn't oversee marriages in the state. Elected probate judges in Alabama's counties do that, and they do not work for the attorney general. In other words, Granade ordered the wrong guy to start issuing marriage licenses.
Moore saw that instantly. As head of the judicial branch, he ordered probate judges not to issue marriage licenses to gay couples. Moore's order noted that, "the United States District Court for the Southern District of Alabama has not issued an order directed to the Probate Judges of Alabama to issue marriage licenses that violate Alabama law." And indeed Judge Granade had not.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-the-1960s-havent-returned-to-alabama/article/2560096 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-the-1960s-havent-returned-to-alabama/article/2560096)
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/magazine/in-sort-of-defense-of-roy-moore.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/magazine/in-sort-of-defense-of-roy-moore.html)
..........the objections Moore is raising are shared on the United States Supreme Court by Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia — and not only because the two conservatives have opposed same-sex marriage; they are fighting over a change in the definition of marriage, yes, but also over how that change is being made.
Roy Moore is right that on its face, Granade’s order doesn’t require state probate judges all over Alabama — who weren’t named in the case Granade heard — to issue marriage licenses. Granade merely instructed Alabama’s attorney general not to enforce the state’s same-sex-marriage ban.
But it’s not fair to say that Roy Moore is acting like George Wallace. When Alabama’s segregationist governor blocked the entrance of the University of Alabama in 1963, in defiance of court-ordered integration, he was standing in the way of the Supreme Court and its desegregation ruling in Brown v. Board of Education nine years earlier — as well as a federal injunction ordering the university to admit two black students. In that case, the Supreme Court absolutely had the power to tell Alabama what to do, because it is the Supreme Court. But Judge Granade is not. And so far, at least, her order doesn’t even clearly apply to all of Alabama’s (understandably confused) probate judges. If that changes — a hearing has been set to sort this out — then they’ll know for sure it’s time to start signing marriage licenses.
In the meantime, you might even argue that Moore has done the country a favor, by making us think about the various methods for changing the law, and which are better — or at least more orderly — than others.
Your disingenuous article claims "Moore thought his opinions entitled him to disregard federal court orders.".....
The truth is the federal judge left a loophole and Moore being a good Constitutional scholar used it to defend the Alabama constitution as he was elected to do. This of course pissed off a lot of folks, so they put forth the unelected lawyer group to dismiss him because he was too witty to pin down otherwise.
There is a saying in Alabama... Bo knows... (reference to Bo Jackson knows lots of stuff)... Well Roy knows how to fight and do it constitutionally... despite how liberal media tries to spin it later on.
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There is a saying in Alabama... Bo knows... (reference to Bo Jackson knows lots of stuff)... Well Roy knows how to fight and do it constitutionally... despite how liberal media tries to spin it later on.
We have a saying in PA....Roy Moore is a shitbag.
BTW Roy couldn't fight his way out of a school of minnows. Know how I know? Because he added another humiliating defeat to his resume last night. By blaming the media on that massive loss only means one thing: Your state is full of drooling morons voters who can't figure things out on their own.
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We have a saying in PA....Roy Moore is a shitbag.
BTW Roy couldn't fight his way out of a school of minnows. Know how I know? Because he added another humiliating defeat to his resume last night. By blaming the media on that massive loss only means one thing: Your state is full of drooling morons voters who can't figure things out on their own.
What would a bleep yankee know of Alabama, anyway?
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We have a saying in PA....Roy Moore is a shitbag.
......Know how I know?
Obviously you don't know, you just quoted an article that was out in left field about how Roy was unconstitutional after the gay issue. I am beginning to doubt you know much of anything except how to curse and flirt with the girls on site.
When the leftist NYTimes is more honest than you, something is wrong.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/magazine/in-sort-of-defense-of-roy-moore.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/magazine/in-sort-of-defense-of-roy-moore.html)
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Horse crap. When Chuckie says "Jump!" Jones will say, "How High?"
Relatively, the Democratic Senator from North Dakota, Heidi Heitkamp is not an ultra-liberal like some of the other Democratic Senators. If Jones does act in this liberal way, he could be out after 3 years.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Heidi_Heitkamp.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Heidi_Heitkamp.htm)
Mixed signals, it is said ND has some pro-life Democrats, she may not pass this test depending on what source is used.
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Our guy get's knifed in the Front by the Democrats, and then Knifed in the Back by the Republicans, and then people complain he is a "flawed candidate" because he has holes in him.
Unreal.
You're denying reality. Kevin Davis said it brilliantly:
"For those screaming 'WAPO hit job' you had a candidate:
Who when asked if he dated teenagers as a 30 yr old said 'not usually'
Warned of shariah courts being established in Michigan and Illinois
Had surrogates tell a pregnant host 'Doug Jones wants to abort your baby'
Said America was better during the era of slavery.... TO A BLACK MAN
Wanted to repeal the 13th and 14th amendments
Had his wife counter charges of insensitivity towards Jews with 'my lawyer is a Jew'
Spent the final day of the campaign arguing over whether people had to take the oath of office on a Christian bible, and if homosexuality should be criminalized.
But please, please tell me how he lost due to a media hit job."
And Kevin didn't even mention Moore's mendacity with respect to his "Foundation for Moral Law". Here's how Karl Rove described it this morning:
a classic money grab cloaked in evangelical garb. Most of the funds it raised through telemarketing appeals for support of traditional values were spent on fundraising costs. What remained largely went to salaries for the principals, Mr. Moore and his wife, and his advisers. Then (surprise) it turned out he had grossly misled the public about his compensation from the enterprise.
Gotta keep Sassy in oats, I guess - at the expense of the evangelical saps he persuaded to part with their money and their moral authority.
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There used to be some Democrats who were classified as conservative -- usually on moral issues like abortion. Bob Casey was Democrat governor of PA who was staunchly pro-life.
His son Bob Jr. is senator from PA. The media calls him "centrist" and even "conservative" like his father. But trust me -- Junior is nothing like the old man. Essentially, he just follows the Dem leadership.
I don't think there are any Democrats who are centrist or conservative anymore.
The guy from West Virginia (Mnuchin?), perhaps. Susan Collins and maybe McCain from our side. That's just about it as far as the Senate's concerned. Everywhere else centrists are a dying breed, rendered irrelevant in a world where politics is all about group identity, and compromise in the name of public service is mocked.
Ironic, of course, in view of the reality that there are millions who are conservative on some issues and liberal on others. Identity politics is incompatible with moderation.
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Our guy get's knifed in the Front by the Democrats, and then Knifed in the Back by the Republicans, and then people complain he is a "flawed candidate" because he has holes in him.
It had to be both to lose as a Republican in Alabama.
Even with the opposition, Moore didn't put up much of a fight, and it's always the candidate's responsibility to run his or her own campaign. He didn't campaign much, he refused to debate his opponent and (in a nutshell) underestimated what he was up against. There were plenty of things within his power that he could have done to strike back against this.
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Yaaay! 1,000 posts!
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There used to be some Democrats who were classified as conservative -- usually on moral issues like abortion. Bob Casey was Democrat governor of PA who was staunchly pro-life.
His son Bob Jr. is senator from PA. The media calls him "centrist" and even "conservative" like his father. But trust me -- Junior is nothing like the old man. Essentially, he just follows the Dem leadership.
I don't think there are any Democrats who are centrist or conservative anymore.
In Lousiana, Democrats helped pass pro-life legislation, there's plenty more to this if one looks for it.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/07/27/louisiana-governor-being-pro-life-democrat-bigger-challenge-than-it-should-be (http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/07/27/louisiana-governor-being-pro-life-democrat-bigger-challenge-than-it-should-be)
Same kind of deal in North Dakota.
It's usually more at the state level; but it's something.
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Moore was a flawed candidate AND he was knifed in the back.
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Relatively, the Democratic Senator from North Dakota, Heidi Heitkamp is not an ultra-liberal like some of the other Democratic Senators. If Jones does act in this liberal way, he could be out after 3 years.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Heidi_Heitkamp.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Heidi_Heitkamp.htm)
Mixed signals, it is said ND has some pro-life Democrats, she may not pass this test depending on what source is used.
When push comes to shove, Heitkamp will vote with the Dems. The east side of the State and the Reservations elected her. She may be a little less liberal than most, but Democrats are Democrats.
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Moore was a flawed candidate AND he was knifed in the back.
Keep telling yourself Moore was flawed. The electorate cannot take responsibility for its inability to discern a hit job. After all the mob is always right, and if you don't think so, they'll stone you or burn you at the stake to prove it.
Lying media and stupid voters get most of the credit, but mostly lying media.
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Yaaay! 1,000 posts!
Most of which came long after the election was decided, too.
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When push comes to shove, Heitkamp will vote with the Dems. The east side of the State and the Reservations elected her. She may be a little less liberal than most, but Democrats are Democrats.
And when Chuckie or Nancy tells them to jump they ask "how high" on the way up.
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When push comes to shove, Heitkamp will vote with the Dems. The east side of the State and the Reservations elected her. She may be a little less liberal than most, but Democrats are Democrats.
I'd like to see her out, I think her seat is up in 2018. Yes, it is.
They do a balancing act, they can toss out a bone to show they aren't for gun control or for a farm bill; that might get them reelected.
But at the state level in ND, they have definitely passed pro-life legislation with support from Democrats.
So, the general question seems to be, are there conservative democrats? Maybe at the state level, not really in DC.
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When it comes time to vote on something that matters, there is no such thing as a pro-life Democrat, no matter how loudly they claim otherwise.
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As posted in another thread 92% voter turnout amongst registered Dems which are out numbered in the first place, smells of voter fraud because most of that is in rural poverty areas that don’t normally vote, much less register to vote.
90+% anywhere is unheard of
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@Frank Cannon ... You say Roy Moore is a "Constitutional illiterate" and offer a liberal version of the events on his second removal as proof. 3 arguments in your article you quote... I will address only one.
Lets just say even the liberal NYsLimes takes issue with it. Stupid classless jokes and articles that don't even scrape at truth are a waste of time to read in my opinion.
Try these two articles that at least somewhat honestly get to the constitutionality of Moore's position. There is better in depth articles, but I would have to dig through a lot of junk to find them (if they are even still valid URLs)..
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-the-1960s-havent-returned-to-alabama/article/2560096 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-the-1960s-havent-returned-to-alabama/article/2560096)
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/magazine/in-sort-of-defense-of-roy-moore.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/magazine/in-sort-of-defense-of-roy-moore.html)
Your disingenuous article claims "Moore thought his opinions entitled him to disregard federal court orders.".....
The truth is the federal judge left a loophole and Moore being a good Constitutional scholar used it to defend the Alabama constitution as he was elected to do. This of course pissed off a lot of folks, so they put forth the unelected lawyer group to dismiss him because he was too witty to pin down otherwise.
There is a saying in Alabama... Bo knows... (reference to Bo Jackson knows lots of stuff)... Well Roy knows how to fight and do it constitutionally... despite how liberal media tries to spin it later on.
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@Sighlass
Thank YOU my friend for getting the TRUTH out there! What you posted here is EXACTLY the reason why the Washington elites could not allow Roy Moore entrance into their very exclusive club!
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Moore was a flawed candidate AND he was knifed in the back.
He was only flawed by the fact that he knows the games that are being played in Washington and how to deal with them. If you wish to call those flaws! I do not!
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@Sighlass
Thank YOU my friend for getting the TRUTH out there! What you posted here is EXACTLY the reason why the Washington elites could not allow Roy Moore entrance into their very exclusive club!
Imagine how two constitutional protagonists like Moore and Cruz could tag team the whole GOPe.
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Keep telling yourself Moore was flawed. The electorate cannot take responsibility for its inability to discern a hit job. After all the mob is always right, and if you don't think so, they'll stone you or burn you at the stake to prove it.
Lying media and stupid voters get most of the credit, but mostly lying media.
The Alabama electorate knew damn well that Moore was a terrible candidate. Whining about how folks are stupid is just sore-loserism.
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He was only flawed by the fact that he knows the games that are being played in Washington and how to deal with them. If you wish to call those flaws! I do not!
Some of us think that overt racism is actually a flaw.
Interesting to find out who doesn't mind that about him.........
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I'd like to see her out, I think her seat is up in 2018. Yes, it is.
They do a balancing act, they can toss out a bone to show they aren't for gun control or for a farm bill; that might get them reelected.
But at the state level in ND, they have definitely passed pro-life legislation with support from Democrats.
So, the general question seems to be, are there conservative democrats? Maybe at the state level, not really in DC.
At the State Level in ND, the Democrats are a minority. The reason they dominated so long at the Federal Level was farm bills, until some folks :whistle: reminded people that a Republican would vote for those Farm Bills, too, if they were from North Dakota. Heitkamp's policy blunder was in voting with the Dem herd on the CRA to remove the Methane Rule that Obama left behind, causing some pain for the Oil and Gas industry, which, with coal is the other big revenue source in the State besides agriculture. That was the one Environmental Rule that survived the transition which was subject to Congressional Revocation, and her voting with the Dems (and McCain, Collins, the usual RINO turncoats) meant that instead of being revoked immediately, any alterations or revocation of the rule had to go through the full review process.
I would prefer a Republican in that seat, but with the way the GOP has been acting of late, I'm not sure there is any real benefit to be gained.
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Imagine how two constitutional protagonists like Moore and Cruz could tag team the whole GOPe.
Why do you think McConnell was so anxious to throw him to the wolves? McConnell didn't want Moore in there derailing his gravy train.
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Some of us think that overt racism is actually a flaw.
Interesting to find out who doesn't mind that about him.........
If racism had been a problem, one would think it would have been brought out during the election, so I must ask: "What 'overt racism'?"
It isn't like he was LBJ claiming his "Great Society" would 'have the n*****s voting Democrat for a hundred years' or being a Byrd-like muckity-muck in the KKK.
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Why do you think McConnell was so anxious to throw him to the wolves? McConnell didn't want Moore in there derailing his gravy train.
He got his gravy train, or soon will. He can go back to sipping his mint juleps and collecting his paycheck and lobbyists perks as minority leads and not have to do anything.
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He got his gravy train, or soon will. He can go back to sipping his mint juleps and collecting his paycheck and lobbyists perks as minority leads and not have to do anything.
It is time for the GOP to wage all out war at against the slimy dim machine (Hyperbole intended of course)
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Imagine how two constitutional protagonists like Moore and Cruz could tag team the whole GOPe.
And one of the constitutional protagonists pulled his endorsement of the other. Imagine that.
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Yaaay! 1,000 posts!
Wow! Look what you win!
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Wow! Look what you win!
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Kewl! But I was kinda hoping for a fifth of Johnny Walker Blue.
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When it comes time to vote on something that matters, there is no such thing as a pro-life Democrat, no matter how loudly they claim otherwise.
Okay, that is your opinion, for the State of Louisiana, a black female Democrat Senator did sponsor a pro-life bill and then Governor Jindal signed it. So, philosophically speaking, I can see where one can say one would never be a pro-life democrat because of their party platform, that is true absolutely. In turn, this other in individual states could represent a gray area and by actually sponsoring a pro-life bill and seeing it carried into law has to be something.
Louisiana Gov. Jindal Signs Pro-Life Ultrasound-Abortion Bill
State Steven Ertelt Jun 8, 2012 | 11:18AM Baton Rouge, LA
The Louisiana legislature passed SB 708, the Hear the Heartbeat Act, authored by Senator Sharon Weston Broome, a pro-life Democrat.
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/06/08/louisiana-gov-jindal-signs-pro-life-ultrasound-abortion-bill/ (http://www.lifenews.com/2012/06/08/louisiana-gov-jindal-signs-pro-life-ultrasound-abortion-bill/)
So, naturally the question would be why stay in that party? I agree. It'd be interesting to see what this woman has done in recent years.
@Hoodat
Looks like she is a mayor now of Baton Rouge.
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Keep telling yourself Moore was flawed.
Flawed? No. Incompetent? Yes.
Good grief, the Saturday before election day, he sat at home watching a football game while Doug Jones spent the day shaking every hand he could find.
Moore thought the seat was going to be given to him without any effort on his part. Just like Hillary.
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Okay, that is your opinion, for the State of Louisiana, a black female Democrat Senator did sponsor a pro-life bill and then Governor Jindal signed it. So, philosophically speaking, I can see where one can say one would never be a pro-life democrat because of their party platform, that is true absolutely. In turn, this other in individual states could represent a gray area and by actually sponsoring a pro-life bill and seeing it carried into law has to be something.
So, naturally the question would be why stay in that party? I agree. It'd be interesting to see what this woman has done in recent years.
@Hoodat
Looks like she is a mayor now of Baton Rouge.
Thanks for posting that. Maybe it's that Napoleonic Code thingie.
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If racism had been a problem, one would think it would have been brought out during the election, so I must ask: "What 'overt racism'?"
It isn't like he was LBJ claiming his "Great Society" would 'have the n*****s voting Democrat for a hundred years' or being a Byrd-like muckity-muck in the KKK.
Like it or not, friend, it is overtly racist to look a black man in the eye and say that the days of slavery, when black families were torn to pieces by being sold and separated, were when America was "great" because families were stronger.
If one cares one whit about black families, then one doesn't make comments like this.
Either that, or he is dumber than a box of rocks, and twice as ignorant.
You don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal to know the ravages that slavery inflicted on black families.
You just have to be a decent, caring, educated person.
The fact that the accusation of racism has been abused doesn't mean the reality of it doesn't exist.
(It was stated earlier, that if Moore were a true conservative, he would have taken the opportunity to rant against LBJ's "Great Society," and how it destroyed black families. But no. Moore made a fool of himself with his ignorance).
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I think it's often said that blacks had stronger families even in the 1940s and decades plus and minus BEFORE LBJ's "Great Society" program. Everyone knows, black single-parent families are way up. To me, it sounds like Moore was talking about that. I might want to check his exact words:
....Moore responded to a black man who asked when Moore thought America was most recently "great."
Moore said it was during the era of slavery.
"I think it was great at the time when families were united," Moore said, according to a September Los Angeles Times story. "Even though we had slavery, they cared for one another ... Our families were strong — our country had a direction."
http://www.businessinsider.com/roy-moore-controversial-comments-resurface-2017-12 (http://www.businessinsider.com/roy-moore-controversial-comments-resurface-2017-12)
Now, is that so bad in itself? Maybe I'm wrong but I'm not sure if it is. Maybe there is a fuller quote.
(Edited to add more of the BI article on)
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Like it or not, friend, it is overtly racist to look a black man in the eye and say that the days of slavery, when black families were torn to pieces by being sold and separated, were when America was "great" because families were stronger.
If one cares one whit about black families, then one doesn't make comments like this.
Either that, or he is dumber than a box of rocks, and twice as ignorant.
You don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal to know the ravages that slavery inflicted on black families.
You just have to be a decent, caring, educated person.
The fact that the accusation of racism has been abused doesn't mean the reality of it doesn't exist.
(It was stated earlier, that if Moore were a true conservative, he would have taken the opportunity to rant against LBJ's "Great Society," and how it destroyed black families. But no. Moore made a fool of himself with his ignorance).
It's water under the bridge. He didn't win (and probably isn't going to get another chance).
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You're denying reality.
I really have no interest in reading anything from you that begins with the sentence "You're denying reality."
I am not the "reality" challenged individual here.
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It's water under the bridge. He didn't win (and probably isn't going to get another chance).
I was asked to explain my comment, and did.
It may be "water under the bridge" for you, but it clearly isn't for others.
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It had to be both to lose as a Republican in Alabama.
Even with the opposition, Moore didn't put up much of a fight, and it's always the candidate's responsibility to run his or her own campaign. He didn't campaign much, he refused to debate his opponent and (in a nutshell) underestimated what he was up against. There were plenty of things within his power that he could have done to strike back against this.
Strike back against unprovable accusations from a troubled nut-job, with the accusations amplified by the media-weapon and embraced by his own party?
What sort of "strike back" could he have used?
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Moore was a flawed candidate AND he was knifed in the back.
This is like saying a car that was smashed by a Semi-Truck had a dent in it before the collision.
It is a conflation of the Major and the Minor as having equal influence.
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"When was America last great?"
How would each of us answer this?
At first, I thought of during World War II and presenting that united America but... I think one could say when the US landed on the moon. There are problems with both of these eras. If someone pointed out there was racial oppression during the era of World War II, I guess that would be correct in a sense.
And obviously, one could mention the Reagan era as well. It's a bit of a loaded question to really get correct and any answer is subjective in the end, there is no real correct answer. For some people, it would be when Obama was elected, not me, just saying.
I think Moore did get some "trap" questions, what he said about Putin struck me as just being a bit off the cuff, "well, maybe we have something in common" or however his exact words were.
Also, it was not surprising to me that Moore did skulk a bit into the background when the allegations came up; I don't know if he was campaigning a lot prior.
Riding the horse and all of that, that is fine but maybe he just needed to rub elbows with the common people.
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Flawed? No. Incompetent? Yes.
Good grief, the Saturday before election day, he sat at home watching a football game while Doug Jones spent the day shaking every hand he could find.
Moore thought the seat was going to be given to him without any effort on his part. Just like Hillary.
Gee whiz! Does your mind reader work for just candidates or can you do that with everyone?
Jones had 14 times the war chest Moore had. McConnell and the National GOP had pulled his funding before the ink was dry in the yearbook. It just might be that the well had run dry.
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It's water under the bridge. He didn't win (and probably isn't going to get another chance).
Thank God, on both accounts.
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Thank God, on both accounts.
Moore Jones the rematch @Oceander, you'd love it! 2020 :thud:
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Moore Jones the rematch @Oceander, you'd love it! 2020 :thud:
Can we throw tomatoes?
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Like it or not, friend, it is overtly racist to look a black man in the eye and say that the days of slavery, when black families were torn to pieces by being sold and separated, were when America was "great" because families were stronger.
If one cares one whit about black families, then one doesn't make comments like this.
Either that, or he is dumber than a box of rocks, and twice as ignorant.
You don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal to know the ravages that slavery inflicted on black families.
You just have to be a decent, caring, educated person.
The fact that the accusation of racism has been abused doesn't mean the reality of it doesn't exist.
(It was stated earlier, that if Moore were a true conservative, he would have taken the opportunity to rant against LBJ's "Great Society," and how it destroyed black families. But no. Moore made a fool of himself with his ignorance).
I must note that those days preceded LBJ's "Great Society".
Consider:
First off, not all black (slave) families were torn apart in the days of slavery. (Not the Free blacks at all.) Often the families remained intact or the children as they grew with the children of the owners went with those children of the owners or stayed with the farm.
The families were tied together more than history will ever write, especially the revisionist stuff of today which is sixth generation abolitionist agitprop perpetrated to justify waging total warfare on the South, looting, burning farms and crops that were not 'conscripted', and hanging any male who had stayed behind to work the farm as a spy. That's how Custer made his name in the Carolinas.
But imagine full employment, housing, food, clothing, medical care, all taken care of (and they even ate organic food--no GMO!).
Oh sh*t! Wait! That isn't welfare, it's slavery! They worked!
They weren't cruising the 'hood and dealing/taking drugs, hooking, and getting their asses dead by 30 from a drive by shooting or in a robbery or a gang fight. There were no crack whores, no crack babies, nobody's kid waking up dead in the morning with a spike in their arm because the dealer burned them. Instead, their children went on to do things like found Tuskegee Institute and other universities. They didn't have the social services coming in and taking the kids and sending them off to some foster care.
Open your mind just that much to see the difference and maybe someone had a point. They just weren't free, but then neither are many of the welfare blacks today--they just don't recognize their chains.
There may have been cases where there was abuse, after the 3% of those captured and sold to slave traders in Africa came to America, where those families captured intact were sold in different directions. There may have been cases where the level of abuse found in abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe's NOVEL actually happened.
But the degradation of the Black family in times of supposed freedom at the hands of the Liberals in this country in the last 50 years eclipses that in scope and intensity, despite the illusion of freedom the welfare and social services and the housing people give.
As for the rest of us, this didn't exist, either. It is the other set of chains, imposed on us by those who are 'free', or at least living that way. (https://us.123rf.com/450wm/manopphimsit/manopphimsit1602/manopphimsit160200008/53900116-us-tax-form-for-taxation-concept-background.jpg?ver=6)
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The Alabama electorate knew damn well that Moore was a terrible candidate.
This *ASSERTION* is contradicted by the *EVIDENCE* that he was elected by these people in 2013.
Once again, you are the one that needs to be reminded about reality.
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This is like saying a car that was smashed by a Semi-Truck had a dent in it before the collision.
It is a conflation of the Major and the Minor as having equal influence.
No, he was flawed to the point that in a solid red State the election was going to be close, but probably still would have won had he not been knifed in the back.
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I was asked to explain my comment, and did.
It may be "water under the bridge" for you, but it clearly isn't for others.
True. That would explain why the Mods have left the thread open.
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Flawed? No. Incompetent? Yes.
Good grief, the Saturday before election day, he sat at home watching a football game while Doug Jones spent the day shaking every hand he could find.
Moore thought the seat was going to be given to him without any effort on his part. Just like Hillary.
I feel like Mr. Douglas in "Green Acres."
Quick question. Laziness or accusations of being a child molesting rapist?
Which had the bigger influence on the election?
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No, he was flawed to the point that in a solid red State the election was going to be close, but probably still would have won had he not been knifed in the back.
Am I the only one who sees that despite huge Democrat turnout in a special election the vote WAS close, in spite of the MSM playing the allegations like endless disco?
22K votes?
In spite of being outspent 14 to 1, and six weeks of intense smear campaign, the National GOP rushing to pull support, and all the rest?
A deeply flawed candidate would have lost in a landslide.
Enough of the 'sour grapes", already.
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True. That would explain why the Mods have left the thread open.
Why wouldn't they? :shrug:
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"When was America last great?"
How would each of us answer this?
1950s, right after world war II. American power and influence was never so good.
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I must note that those days preceded LBJ's "Great Society".
Consider:
First off, not all black (slave) families were torn apart in the days of slavery. (Not the Free blacks at all.) Often the families remained intact or the children as they grew with the children of the owners went with those children of the owners or stayed with the farm.
The families were tied together more than history will ever write, especially the revisionist stuff of today which is sixth generation abolitionist agitprop perpetrated to justify waging total warfare on the South, looting, burning farms and crops that were not 'conscripted', and hanging any male who had stayed behind to work the farm as a spy. That's how Custer made his name in the Carolinas.
But imagine full employment, housing, food, clothing, medical care, all taken care of (and they even ate organic food--no GMO!).
Oh sh*t! Wait! That isn't welfare, it's slavery! They worked!
They weren't cruising the 'hood and dealing/taking drugs, hooking, and getting their asses dead by 30 from a drive by shooting or in a robbery or a gang fight. There were no crack whores, no crack babies, nobody's kid waking up dead in the morning with a spike in their arm because the dealer burned them. Instead, their children went on to do things like found Tuskegee Institute and other universities. They didn't have the social services coming in and taking the kids and sending them off to some foster care.
Open your mind just that much to see the difference and maybe someone had a point. They just weren't free, but then neither are many of the welfare blacks today--they just don't recognize their chains.
There may have been cases where there was abuse, after the 3% of those captured and sold to slave traders in Africa came to America, where those families captured intact were sold in different directions. There may have been cases where the level of abuse found in abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe's NOVEL actually happened.
But the degradation of the Black family in times of supposed freedom at the hands of the Liberals in this country in the last 50 years eclipses that in scope and intensity, despite the illusion of freedom the welfare and social services and the housing people give.
As for the rest of us, this didn't exist, either. It is the other set of chains, imposed on us by those who are 'free', or at least living that way. (https://us.123rf.com/450wm/manopphimsit/manopphimsit1602/manopphimsit160200008/53900116-us-tax-form-for-taxation-concept-background.jpg?ver=6)
I can't believe you just outlined the goodness of slavery and aren't ashamed of what you said. (Even though, you at least said what you did under the cover of anonymity).
I guess I understand your support of Moore in spite of his boneheaded defense of the days of slavery. You actually agree with him.
Wow. That's very disturbing.
VERY disturbing.
(btw, if Moore were a smart racist, he would have just mentioned the damage LBJ did and not made the idiotic public support he gave for the days of slavery. I guess that just makes him a dumb racist).
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No, he was flawed to the point that in a solid red State the election was going to be close, but probably still would have won had he not been knifed in the back.
On what basis would you think it was going to be close? Poll numbers I saw put him 15 points or more ahead of Jones. Republican registration in Alabama is like 6-1 over Democrats. An ordinary mediocre election like a routine off year election would have had him stomping Jones flat.
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Why wouldn't they? :shrug:
They seem to be "fight averse," and this thread is still cooking hot two days after the election. I always figured they just lock live threads after a while, regardless.
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Why wouldn't they? :shrug:
Because a subjective explanation of "boring" is sufficient to close a thread. I have come to regard the term "boring" as meaning anything I find interesting and in need of discussing, at least that is what the word seems to mean on this website, anyways.
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Because a subjective explanation of "boring" is sufficient to close a thread. I have come to regard the term "boring" as meaning anything I find interesting and in need of discussing, at least that is what the word seems to mean on this website, anyways.
I have a sneaking suspicion "boring" is actually a Mod code word meaning "I'm tired of constantly stopping fights on this thread." That seems to be when it usually happens when I get into an interesting fight. That you find fights inherently interesting is purely coincidental.
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Gee whiz! Does your mind reader work for just candidates or can you do that with everyone?
Jones had 14 times the war chest Moore had. McConnell and the National GOP had pulled his funding before the ink was dry in the yearbook. It just might be that the well had run dry.
None of that impedes Moore's ability to get off his ass on a Saturday and greet voters. None of that impedes Moore's ability to raise money on his own. And none of that causes Moore to make idiotic comments about not usually dating minors.
Rick Santorum won the Iowa Caucus with $22,000 and two minivans. He did it by campaigning tirelessly - not by sitting on his ass watching a football game.
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Because a subjective explanation of "boring" is sufficient to close a thread. I have come to regard the term "boring" as meaning anything I find interesting and in need of discussing, at least that is what the word seems to mean on this website, anyways.
The only reason a thread gets closed is when the insults are out of control and posters won't return to the subject.
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None of that impedes Moore's ability to get off his ass on a Saturday and greet voters. None of that impedes Moore's ability to raise money on his own. And none of that causes Moore to make idiotic comments about not usually dating minors.
Rick Santorum won the Iowa Caucus with $22,000 and two minivans. He did it by campaigning tirelessly - not by sitting on his ass watching a football game.
It was, however, a very good football game.
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1950s, right after world war II. American power and influence was never so good.
Agreed - probably that decade between 1954-64. Growth in infrastructure and economy, most of what was purchased was domestically produced. Solid family units and values. Yes, we still had issues to address like segregation, but it was as close to ideal as we’ve been since.
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The only reason a thread gets closed is when the insults are out of control and posters won't return to the subject.
Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I recall that there was a thread in which I do not recall any large number of insults, but which was closed, and the reason cited was "boring."
I think it was over a month ago, perhaps even two months ago. I'm trying to recall what the thread was about, but i've slept since then.
I almost messaged you about it at the time, but then I thought better of it. You had been so gracious in the past that I decided it wasn't fair to trouble you with it.
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Agreed - probably that decade between 1954-64. Growth in infrastructure and economy, most of what was purchased was domestically produced. Solid family units and values. Yes, we still had issues to address like segregation, but it was as close to ideal as we’ve been since.
Sanitation, health, advancement of science, peace, hope for the future, and on and on and on.
Of course I'm not a person who tries to revolve his entire life around religion, though I have known a lot of such people. They have a world view not so different from the Amish, and they long for a simpler time such as when everyone drove around in horses and buggies.
I perceive Moore was one such as these, and people who keep misconstruing his meaning, do so because they themselves are likely unfamiliar with people who think like that.
For someone who thinks of himself as a deeply religious "original intent" constitutionalist, the era of 1790 would be appealing.
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Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I recall that there was a thread in which I do not recall any large number of insults, but which was closed, and the reason cited was "boring."
I think it was over a month ago, perhaps even two months ago. I'm trying to recall what the thread was about, but i've slept since then.
I almost messaged you about it at the time, but then I thought better of it. You had been so gracious in the past that I decided it wasn't fair to trouble you with it.
If true it was done without my knowledge...why lock a thread if it is boring, it dies off on it's own.
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I must note that those days preceded LBJ's "Great Society".
Consider:
First off, not all black (slave) families were torn apart in the days of slavery. (Not the Free blacks at all.) Often the families remained intact or the children as they grew with the children of the owners went with those children of the owners or stayed with the farm.
The families were tied together more than history will ever write, especially the revisionist stuff of today which is sixth generation abolitionist agitprop perpetrated to justify waging total warfare on the South, looting, burning farms and crops that were not 'conscripted', and hanging any male who had stayed behind to work the farm as a spy. That's how Custer made his name in the Carolinas.
But imagine full employment, housing, food, clothing, medical care, all taken care of (and they even ate organic food--no GMO!).
Oh sh*t! Wait! That isn't welfare, it's slavery! They worked!
They weren't cruising the 'hood and dealing/taking drugs, hooking, and getting their asses dead by 30 from a drive by shooting or in a robbery or a gang fight. There were no crack whores, no crack babies, nobody's kid waking up dead in the morning with a spike in their arm because the dealer burned them. Instead, their children went on to do things like found Tuskegee Institute and other universities. They didn't have the social services coming in and taking the kids and sending them off to some foster care.
Open your mind just that much to see the difference and maybe someone had a point. They just weren't free, but then neither are many of the welfare blacks today--they just don't recognize their chains.
There may have been cases where there was abuse, after the 3% of those captured and sold to slave traders in Africa came to America, where those families captured intact were sold in different directions. There may have been cases where the level of abuse found in abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe's NOVEL actually happened.
But the degradation of the Black family in times of supposed freedom at the hands of the Liberals in this country in the last 50 years eclipses that in scope and intensity, despite the illusion of freedom the welfare and social services and the housing people give.
As for the rest of us, this didn't exist, either. It is the other set of chains, imposed on us by those who are 'free', or at least living that way. (https://us.123rf.com/450wm/manopphimsit/manopphimsit1602/manopphimsit160200008/53900116-us-tax-form-for-taxation-concept-background.jpg?ver=6)
Seriously? Let's say for the hell of it, my ancestors came over as Irish slaves (and, there were a lot of them who actually did.) Let's say, for the hell of it, someone walks up to me and says something along the lines of "well, at least some of them got to form families in slavery, and some of those families got to stay together", and they got to have " full employment, housing, food, clothing, medical care, all taken care of (and they even ate organic food--no GMO!)", I would want to deck you. I probably wouldn't because I'm a peaceful person, and I should be past all of that history by now, but I would want to.
Maybe their descendents don't always make the best decisions nowadays, and definitely the federal government has enslaved many of them, but it's a choice now - you can stay on the plantation or you can leave.
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If true it was done without my knowledge...why lock a thread if it is boring, it dies off on it's own.
That was exactly my thinking at the time. Of course, I may have been keeping it limping along or something. :)
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First off, not all black (slave) families were torn apart in the days of slavery. (Not the Free blacks at all.) Often the families remained intact or the children as they grew with the children of the owners went with those children of the owners or stayed with the farm.
The families were tied together more than history will ever write, especially the revisionist stuff of today which is sixth generation abolitionist agitprop perpetrated to justify waging total warfare on the South, looting, burning farms and crops that were not 'conscripted', and hanging any male who had stayed behind to work the farm as a spy. That's how Custer made his name in the Carolinas.
But imagine full employment, housing, food, clothing, medical care, all taken care of (and they even ate organic food--no GMO!).
I can interpret what you are trying to say in the best possible light, but your argument is very "tone-deaf" from the perspective of the modern zeitgeist.
There is really no way to make your point to a modern audience in such a way that it won't be condemned. It argues against some things that people were brought up to believe are bedrock principles, so whether in fact your point is actually rational becomes irrelevant.
You won't be able to get anyone to even entertain the notion.
I will note that quite a lot of the descendants of slaves do tend to end up in controlled environments where they are not free. The only difference between that and slavery is that they are there to be punished, and they aren't required to do any work.
Theoretically, slavery is still legal. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiii)
But no one would dare.
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Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I recall that there was a thread in which I do not recall any large number of insults, but which was closed, and the reason cited was "boring."
I think it was over a month ago, perhaps even two months ago. I'm trying to recall what the thread was about, but i've slept since then.
I almost messaged you about it at the time, but then I thought better of it. You had been so gracious in the past that I decided it wasn't fair to trouble you with it.
I am the one who did it, and I remember full well why. Please allow me to refresh your memory: People were fighting endlessly, despite my multiple pleas to get back on topic. I locked it for a couple of hours to let things cool down, or I was going to have to start writing T/O tickets to the instigators. You were exercising good judgement in not complaining to @mystery-ak about it because you were one of the chief trouble makers.
I had my partner, Mod8 come in and unlock it a few hours later.
I said I was "bored" because I was being diplomatic. It was better than "Diogenes, take a day or two off." Wouldn't you agree?
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I can interpret what you are trying to say in the best possible light, but your argument is very "tone-deaf" from the perspective of the modern zeitgeist.
There is really no way to make your point to a modern audience in such a way that it won't be condemned. It argues against some things that people were brought up to believe are bedrock principles, so whether in fact your point is actually rational becomes irrelevant.
You won't be able to get anyone to even entertain the notion.
I will note that quite a lot of the descendants of slaves do tend to end up in controlled environments where they are not free. The only difference between that and slavery is that they are there to be punished, and they aren't required to do any work.
Theoretically, slavery is still legal. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiii)
But no one would dare.
Modern zeitgeist???
That's what you call the concept that people should be free?? That's what you call NOT defending the purchase of human beings and their being treated as property?? That's what you call opposing the selling of wives and husbands, and children away from their families to other plantations, or excusing it because it didn't happen that often?? That's what you call being shocked that someone would say slavery was better because at least then blacks worked???
THAT is what you call "modern zeitgeist??"
What is going on on this forum??
Has loyalty to Roy Moore turned people inside out?? Defending trolling for children because there aren't enough older women who are "pure?" Now saying slavery wasn't all that bad??
Or were some of you this way to begin with, and your love of Moore just tore away the façade??
If there are many of you who actually believe these things, then perhaps some of the rest of us need to find a more decent forum.
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I am the one who did it, and I remember full well why. Please allow me to refresh your memory: People were fighting endlessly, despite my multiple pleas to get back on topic. I locked it for a couple of hours to let things cool down, or I was going to have to start writing T/O tickets to the instigators. You were exercising good judgement in not complaining to @mystery-ak about it because you were one of the chief trouble makers.
I had my partner, Mod8 come in and unlock it a few hours later.
I said I was "bored" because I was being diplomatic. It was better than "Diogenes, take a day or two off." Wouldn't you agree?
You have the advantage over me on the context, because I no longer recall what it was about other than it was about something I considered highly important; Probably the broadcasting propaganda power of the trillion dollar media-weapon, which I have always considered the prime threat to our lives.
I don't recall myself doing any insulting beyond ordinary snark if even that, but arguing forcefully and passionately is something I have always done, and it is inherent in my nature.
Yes, I was the "Chief Troublemaker", but that was because I kept talking about the issue, I do not recall being a "troublemaker" about gratuitous insults. I actually don't mind getting into such spats, but since I know it is frowned upon here, I restrain myself.
At least I think that I do. :)
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Modern zeitgeist???
That's what you call the concept that people should be free?? That's what you call NOT defending the purchase of human beings and their being treated as property?? That's what you call opposing the selling of wives and husbands, and children away from their families to other plantations, or excusing it because it didn't happen that often?? That's what you call being shocked that someone would say slavery was better because at least then blacks worked???
THAT is what you call "modern zeitgeist??"
What is going on on this forum??
Has loyalty to Roy Moore turned people inside out?? Defending trolling for children because there aren't enough older women who are "pure?" Now saying slavery wasn't all that bad??
Or were some of you this way to begin with, and your love of Moore just tore away the façade??
If there are many of you who actually believe these things, then perhaps some of the rest of us need to find a more decent forum.
And this is why I normally just skip over messages you have written.
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I can't believe you just outlined the goodness of slavery and aren't ashamed of what you said. (Even though, you at least agreed with him with the cover of anonymity).
I guess I understand your support of Moore in spite of his boneheaded defense of the days of slavery. You actually agree with him.
That's very disturbing.
VERY disturbing.
(btw, if Moore were a smart racist, he would have just mentioned the damage LBJ did and not made the idiotic public support he gave for the days of slavery. I guess that just makes him a dumb racist).
What I find disturbing is that you cannot see that my comments were not racist, just a comparison.
They were not about Moore, but the socioeconomic situation both then and now. Your implication that he is a "dumb racist" is noted, but I think it is crap and just reads in what you may desperately want to find as another excuse to vilify the man.
That lack of comprehension is surprising to me considering your past posts, and indicates you may be emotionally entangled with the racism issue and Moore himself, and not in a constructive way.
I am not advocating slavery, either. Far from it--I find the institution abhorrent. As I said, I am just comparing.
If you see my comparison as a 'defense', then perhaps you should take another look without the emotional baggage and at least see what the man was saying.
If you find that I have painted a slightly better picture of healthy families inhabiting humble quarters in an agrarian setting compared to the dysfunctional dystopia of America's drug and crime ridden inner city slums, well, maybe that's because when you look at it that way, Moore had a point, and Moore having a point would be incompatible with your feelings about him.
Now, aside from the CPS coming in, those families aren't broken up and 'sold down the river', they are broken up at funerals, sent 'up the river' (to prison), or never even bothered to become a family except for the deposit of some bodily fluids. (Check out the babies born out of wedlock for the demographic). Is that so much better?
No employer, regardless of what they pay, will intentionally make employees unhappy. Happy employees mean higher productivity, better results, less broken equipment, better maintenance, even a feeling of pride in their work and where they do it. Breaking up families in that situation would be conterproductive.
You see racism and 'Moore support' into what I said because that is what you wanted to see so you could ignore what I said, dismissing it as 'one of those' supporting Moore or as racist, or both, because facts are just too inconvenient.
Keep in mind that Moore is no fan of most of the Amendments to the Constitution after the Bill of Rights, and you find yourself back in the era before the war of Northern Aggression.
History isn't the smooth-complected made-up face you want to see, it's covered with scars and warts and moles and errant hairs, because such is human existence. If you think, really, honestly, think that overall things are better today (not counting technological gizmos and advances in medicine and the often unused freedom to leave a bad situation where such exist), feel free to state your case.
There were a host of social ills not present in that agrarian society which had not yet dismantled the Constitution to impose the Union with torch and shot, which was (despite slavery) still largely practicing, not just nominally Christian*, and which had not reduced the Federal Government to a National one, which, for good or ill, has produced the mess we have today.
(*Yes, if you look in your copy of The Holy Bible, you will find slavery in there, too.)
Those, for all their faults, were simpler times. We Americans freed the blacks and other slaves and by 100 years later had all become slaves. If you don't think so, try not filing your taxes, paying your property taxes, conforming with your HOA or just the zoning laws. You aren't any more free than your masters in DC and the Statehouse give you the illusion of being.
As Mr.T said when asked why he wore so many gold chains, "We are all slaves, I just come at a higher price."
I love my country, warts and all, and still think it the best on the planet, but it won't stay that way if people won't see its flaws as well as its good points. The festering rot in our social structure is going to destroy it along with the corruption in high places. But if we spend our time being distracted by awkward historical comparisons, we won't fix the problems we have, if we even acknowledge them.
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And this is why I normally just skip over messages you have written.
Why? Because they are conservative, and they make sense? :shrug:
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Imagine how two constitutional protagonists like Moore and Cruz could tag team the whole GOPe.
Yeah! I know! And believe me THEY know as well!
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Some of us think that overt racism is actually a flaw.
Interesting to find out who doesn't mind that about him.........
You and I agree about many things but what constitutes "racism" clearly isn't one of them.
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Why? Because they are conservative, and they make sense? :shrug:
I would go more along the lines of "histrionic, "straw man-y", virtue signaling and accusatory. "
It's like you are trying to be offended or something. We can disagree without being disagreeable.
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@Smokin Joe
No matter how you excuse it, the things you said are inexcusable. As are the things Moore said. (I have no need to "vilify him. He takes care of that admirably himself).
Racism is not conservative, (nor is trolling for underage girls for that matter) and excusing any part of slavery abhorrent.
Sorry, but as a conservative, I can't stomach excuses for evil, no matter how much it made "socio-economic" sense to you.
And saying that the evil of slavery wasn't as bad as welfare because blacks were "working" is beneath you.
(And if it's not, then I completely misread who you were. Right now, I'm afraid I did).
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I would go more along the lines of "histrionic, "straw man-y", virtue signaling and accusatory. "
It's like you are trying to be offended or something. We can disagree without being disagreeable.
Oh, yeah............. I'm just "trying" to be offended because someone on a board I love talks about how slavery wasn't all that bad because not that many families had their kids sold away from them.
I mean, some of their owners even let them learn to read. Never mind that owning another human being is despicable....
There's not even a touch of the histrionic in the accurate description of one of the greatest evils in American history.
And there's nothing even remotely conservative in excusing it or explaining it away.
I don't pay attention to "zeitgeist" for moral truth. If you've read anything I've written, you know that.
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Seriously? Let's say for the hell of it, my ancestors came over as Irish slaves (and, there were a lot of them who actually did.) Let's say, for the hell of it, someone walks up to me and says something along the lines of "well, at least some of them got to form families in slavery, and some of those families got to stay together", and they got to have " full employment, housing, food, clothing, medical care, all taken care of (and they even ate organic food--no GMO!)", I would want to deck you. I probably wouldn't because I'm a peaceful person, and I should be past all of that history by now, but I would want to.
Maybe their descendents don't always make the best decisions nowadays, and definitely the federal government has enslaved many of them, but it's a choice now - you can stay on the plantation or you can leave.
When the poster brought up the issue of "racism", I assumed they were referring to black slaves.
The Irish have been valuable members of American society, with the exception of the damned Kennedys and a few others. YMMV
I was not advocating slavery, merely comparing the two situations for the black slaves of the day and inner city blacks. Since I am part Irish, the thought of me being considered 'racist' toward the Irish never crossed my mind.
Advocate today as 'better' for those inner city blacks if you want. At least they are free to have broken families, out of wedlock birth, drug abuse, alcoholism, and violent crime, and they don't even have to work for it. Now, tell me where that is wrong.
As for the Antebellum era,
In addition:
No income tax
No industrialized abortion.
No Obamacare
No welfare, except from local charity
No GMOs,
No "foreign entanglements"
Prior to 1860, our Armies were not scattered around the Globe, and our young men were not dying on other continents 'nation building'--we were busy building our own.
A person could go west, make their peace with the native people and find and exploit mineral wealth with a minimum of government interference.
Being armed was generally expected, especially in outlying areas, and hunting for food was normal.
There were far fewer regulations and encumbrances.
You can make the case either way as to which time was better, and for whom, and Again, I am not advocating slavery for anyone, I was just comparing the situation of black farm slaves with inner city blacks.
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@Smokin Joe
No matter how you excuse it, the things you said are inexcusable. As are the things Moore said. (I have no need to "vilify him. He takes care of that admirably himself).
Racism is not conservative, (nor is trolling for underage girls for that matter) and excusing any part of slavery abhorrent.
Sorry, but as a conservative, I can't stomach excuses for evil, no matter how much it made "socio-economic" sense to you.
And saying that the evil of slavery wasn't as bad as welfare because blacks were "working" is beneath you.
(And if it's not, then I completely misread who you were. Right now, I'm afraid I did).
I guess this is inexcusable:
I am not advocating slavery, either. Far from it--I find the institution abhorrent.
You have not read, or simply not comprehended what I wrote. Have a nice day.
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When the poster brought up the issue of "racism", I assumed they were referring to black slaves.
The Irish have been valuable members of American society, with the exception of the damned Kennedys and a few others. YMMV
I was not advocating slavery, merely comparing the two situations for the black slaves of the day and inner city blacks. Since I am part Irish, the thought of me being considered 'racist' toward the Irish never crossed my mind.
Advocate today as 'better' for those inner city blacks if you want. At least they are free to have broken families, out of wedlock birth, drug abuse, alcoholism, and violent crime, and they don't even have to work for it. Now, tell me where that is wrong.
As for the Antebellum era,
In addition:
No income tax
No industrialized abortion.
No Obamacare
No welfare, except from local charity
No GMOs,
No "foreign entanglements"
Prior to 1860, our Armies were not scattered around the Globe, and our young men were not dying on other continents 'nation building'--we were busy building our own.
A person could go west, make their peace with the native people and find and exploit mineral wealth with a minimum of government interference.
Being armed was generally expected, especially in outlying areas, and hunting for food was normal.
There were far fewer regulations and encumbrances.
You can make the case either way as to which time was better, and for whom, and Again, I am not advocating slavery for anyone, I was just comparing the situation of black farm slaves with inner city blacks.
If it works for black people, it should work for anyone else. That's how you determine a bias. If it works regardless of the characteristic being tested, there's no bias.
However, I wasn't talking about racism, I was specifically talking about an attitude towards slavery that I find unsupportable.
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Oh, yeah............. I'm just "trying" to be offended because someone on a board I love talks about how slavery wasn't all that bad because not that many families had their kids sold away from them.
I didn't say any such thing, but you are behaving as if I did.
I don't pay attention to "zeitgeist" for moral truth. If you've read anything I've written, you know that.
Many people do. Have you noticed that "gays and transgenders" are now considered moral and acceptable? "Zeitgeist" is a real "thing", whether people like it or not.
To judge the mores of an era, you have to understand what they are, and how and why they were different from the modern era.
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You can make the case either way as to which time was better, and for whom, and Again, I am not advocating slavery for anyone, I was just comparing the situation of black farm slaves with inner city blacks.
Unfortunately, nuance goes out the window whenever one utters the word "slavery" in any but the darkest of tones.
Not saying there was anything good about it, I'm from the North (and Irish), and the war between the states was ancient history to us, but I'm just saying it's difficult to be nuanced about it.
And there are many details. Thomas Sowell did an article a few years back where he wrote about slaves who were actually paid for their work, because they had skills. You can't beat a man into doing a good job shoeing your horses, you need better incentives. These slaves eventually saved enough money to be able to purchase their own freedom (it's not like they had anywhere to spend it).
Sure it was an ugly part of our history (even those of us from the North), but not everybody who talks about it without cringing is evil, either.
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I didn't say any such thing, but you are behaving as if I did.
I am behaving?? Yes, Daddy. **nononono*
If you don't feel guilty about what I said to someone else, then don't react so emotionally to it.
Many people do. Have you noticed that "gays and transgenders" are now considered moral and acceptable? "Zeitgeist" is a real "thing", whether people like it or not.
To judge the mores of an era, you have to understand what they are, and how and why they were different from the modern era.
Do you have any clue as to where I stand on moral issues? You don't need to preach to me about changing standards. I'm on the frontlines of those arguments as a conservative. Maybe if you didn't skip over my "histrionic" replies on threads about morality, you'd know that, and would have avoided your error.
Your implication in trying to excuse the post to which you were replying was that it is the same thing...... zeitgeist........ that judges slavery as abhorrent. By using that term to describe the excuses being made for evil, you were minimizing its evil.
Thus, I reacted.
Not in any form of "histrionics," but as one who understands the difference between sexual mores and our disintegrating culture, and owning and abusing other human beings..... but saying it's good that at least they were "working."
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Unfortunately, nuance goes out the window whenever one utters the word "slavery" in any but the darkest of tones.
Not saying there was anything good about it, I'm from the North (and Irish), and the war between the states was ancient history to us, but I'm just saying it's difficult to be nuanced about it.
And there are many details. Thomas Sowell did an article a few years back where he wrote about slaves who were actually paid for their work, because they had skills. You can't beat a man into doing a good job shoeing your horses, you need better incentives. These slaves eventually saved enough money to be able to purchase their own freedom (it's not like they had anywhere to spend it).
Sure it was an ugly part of our history (even those of us from the North), but not everybody who talks about it without cringing is evil, either.
Hundreds of years of owning and abusing other human beings is not diminished by the fact that a few of them got paid and weren't beaten.
I love Thomas Sowell, but if the essence of his article was that it wasn't all that bad, he's wrong.
Other than abortion, and possibly the mass slaughter of Indians, it is the darkest blot in our history.
And the fact that it never really got resolved after the War is a great cause in the social ills we still have today.
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Hundreds of years of owning and abusing other human beings is not diminished by the fact that a few of them got paid and weren't beaten.
I love Thomas Sowell, but if the essence of his article was that it wasn't all that bad, he's wrong.
Other than abortion, and possibly the mass slaughter of Indians, it is the darkest blot in our history.
And the fact that it never really got resolved after the War is a great cause in the social ills we still have today.
Not gonna disagree with you, that was not my point.
This was.
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Can I intervene here for a moment to point out that @Chosen Daughter and @musiclady are among the top 5 righteous women we have here in TBR, IMHO.
In spite of continuing my immoral, sinful ways, their post I always read and find interesting and insightful.
Sure I may be using their reflectivity to lessen my guilt about staying away from organized religion as a whole but kudos Ladies.
Now we continue with our regularly scheduled program.
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If it works for black people, it should work for anyone else. That's how you determine a bias. If it works regardless of the characteristic being tested, there's no bias.
However, I wasn't talking about racism, I was specifically talking about an attitude towards slavery that I find unsupportable.
Re read my comments. Read where I said what I think of the institution. If you find my finding slavery abhorrent unsupportable that means you don't find slavery abhorrent.
I can't support that attitude, either.
I am not for anyone being held as a slave.
But dammit, if you can't see the chains on all of us, you are just happily trotting around inside the radius of your lead rope with the impression you can run off to the far hills. The question of when the social problems were greater is one which can be answered with simple facts, and there have been quite a few social problems since the "Great Society" which are funded by the rest of us, ultimately at gunpoint. How 'free' is that. (In 1850 there was no income tax.)
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Can I intervene here for a moment to point out that @Chosen Daughter and @musiclady are among the top 5 righteous women we have here in TBR, IMHO.
In spite of continuing my immoral, sinful ways, their post I always read and find interesting and insightful.
Sure I may be using their reflectivity to lessen my guilt about staying away from organized religion as a whole but kudos Ladies.
Now we continue with our regularly scheduled program.
Dang!
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Can I intervene here for a moment to point out that @Chosen Daughter and @musiclady are among the top 5 righteous women we have here in TBR, IMHO.
In spite of continuing my immoral, sinful ways, their post I always read and find interesting and insightful.
Sure I may be using their reflectivity to lessen my guilt about staying away from organized religion as a whole but kudos Ladies.
Now we continue with our regularly scheduled program.
@Sanguine, @Right_in_Virginia
(RIV) and @Mesaclone and @XenaLee and indeed @libertybele are much more righteous in my opinion. The two you mention are just unbalanced Trump haters and probably why you sprinkle them with compliments. If we are suppose to reference them for proper net etiquette, then I will , @Chosen Daughter @musiclady
Let alone, with the little tussle earlier, I have defended Dubya numerous times, I have supported the candidate and this candidate has done well on a number of things. We are lucky to even have the GOP in there.
@corbe
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What Moore said, I'd be danged if that was something racist, I don't see why this train of debate is merited. I don't think he in any way, deprecated African American people, all he said was "families were more unified"... That was what made America great, inspite of their still being slavery.
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I don't think he in any way, deprecated African American people, all he said was "families were more unified"...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQsYQ65XcAIUsl_.jpg)
That, folks, is what slavery did to black families.
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@Sanguine, @Right_in_Virginia
(RIV) and @Mesaclone and @XenaLee and indeed @libertybele are much more righteous in my opinion. The two you mention are just unbalanced Trump haters and probably why you sprinkle them with compliments. If we are suppose to reference them for proper net etiquette, then I will , @Chosen Daughter @musiclady
Let alone, with the little tussle earlier, I have defended Dubya numerous times, I have supported the candidate and this candidate has done well on a number of things. We are lucky to even have the GOP in there.
@corbe
:facepalm:
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@Sanguine, @Right_in_Virginia
(RIV) and @Mesaclone and @XenaLee and indeed @libertybele are much more righteous in my opinion. The two you mention are just unbalanced Trump haters and probably why you sprinkle them with compliments. If we are suppose to reference them for proper net etiquette, then I will , @Chosen Daughter @musiclady
Let alone, with the little tussle earlier, I have defended Dubya numerous times, I have supported the candidate and this candidate has done well on a number of things. We are lucky to even have the GOP in there.
@corbe
@TomSea BUSTED! me, again.
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That, folks, is what slavery did to black families.
Thank you, sir!! :patriot:
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Thank you, sir!! :patriot:
@EasyAce always finds a way to bring my bead to center. :patriot:
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@Sanguine, @Right_in_Virginia
(RIV) and @Mesaclone and @XenaLee and indeed @libertybele are much more righteous in my opinion. The two you mention are just unbalanced Trump haters and probably why you sprinkle them with compliments. If we are suppose to reference them for proper net etiquette, then I will , @Chosen Daughter @musiclady
Let alone, with the little tussle earlier, I have defended Dubya numerous times, I have supported the candidate and this candidate has done well on a number of things. We are lucky to even have the GOP in there.
@corbe
LOL! Unbalanced because I am not in love?? You amuse me, Tom.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Trump, nor my recognition that he is not an honorable man.
The world outside of Trump actually exists.
You should try to join us in the real world some time.
@TomSea
This thread is about the election in Alabama. Join in.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQsYQ65XcAIUsl_.jpg)
That, folks, is what slavery did to black families.
Baltimore, Chicago, St. Louis and Detroit are all so much better aren't they?
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Can I intervene here for a moment to point out that @Chosen Daughter and @musiclady are among the top 5 righteous women we have here in TBR, IMHO.
In spite of continuing my immoral, sinful ways, their post I always read and find interesting and insightful.
Sure I may be using their reflectivity to lessen my guilt about staying away from organized religion as a whole but kudos Ladies.
Now we continue with our regularly scheduled program.
I am honored by your kind, kind words, @corbe , but I would be remiss if I didn't point out that none of us is righteous, least of all myself. Only in Jesus Christ is there any good in me at all.
Thank you so much for being so kind. I have the utmost respect for you.
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@EasyAce always finds a way to bring my bead to center. :patriot:
Seriously. He has that effect on many of us!
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@Cyber Liberty
@musiclady
You think far too highly of me. I'm only a man. But thank you for the kind words!
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And the above doesn't even go into some things that some black pro-lifers have said.
Black Pastor Slams Abortion: 1,800 Black Babies Killed in Abortion Each Day
National Micaiah Bilger Jul 26, 2017 | 5:36PM Washington, DC
http://www.lifenews.com/2017/07/26/black-pastor-slams-abortion-1800-black-babies-killed-in-abortion-each-day/ (http://www.lifenews.com/2017/07/26/black-pastor-slams-abortion-1800-black-babies-killed-in-abortion-each-day/)
http://blackgenocide.org/home.html (http://blackgenocide.org/home.html)
I'm sure one can find cases always for pros and cons on both sides, Moore merely said families were more united even though there was slavery. Well, he may have been wrong but the above doesn't look too great either.
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@EasyAce always finds a way to bring my bead to center. :patriot:
@Cyber Liberty
Sorry, I think 1800 black babies being killed daily is a horror.
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@Cyber Liberty
Sorry, I think 1800 black babies being killed daily is a horror.
I wasn't aware horrors come in either/or flavors. Could be both, you know.
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High incarceration rates, high crime rates in a number of cities, good luck in just picking up some news clip and thinking that dispels modern day horrors.
Maybe Moore wasn't precise but an argument could be made he wasn't far off, again, his exact words don't seem to be speaking positively for slavery or racist, that's media spin... he seemed to say families were more united during this period. Do we know if that is absolutely false?
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If we restrict our discussion of human history to the times when slavery didn't exist, it's going to be a very short discussion.
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If we restrict our discussion of human history to the times when slavery didn't exist, it's going to be a very short discussion.
It won't include today. Muslims still have slaves.
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Like it or not, friend, it is overtly racist to look a black man in the eye and say that the days of slavery, when black families were torn to pieces by being sold and separated, were when America was "great" because families were stronger.
If one cares one whit about black families, then one doesn't make comments like this.
Either that, or he is dumber than a box of rocks, and twice as ignorant.
You don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal to know the ravages that slavery inflicted on black families.
You just have to be a decent, caring, educated person.
The fact that the accusation of racism has been abused doesn't mean the reality of it doesn't exist.
(It was stated earlier, that if Moore were a true conservative, he would have taken the opportunity to rant against LBJ's "Great Society," and how it destroyed black families. But no. Moore made a fool of himself with his ignorance).
@musiclady @Smokin Joe @Bigun @TomSea
Or you could of actually got the true story of what Roy Moore said instead of believing the 400 fake media reports that ran with a falsified report of what Roy Moore said.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/cnn-twists-roy-moores-comments-about-slavery-and-american-greatness/
I am not going to bother quoting it for you. If you claim to actually care about spreading truth over lies then you know what to do. Read the PJ article and compare it to what 400 other media stations put out. I would as a fellow Christian ask if you think my article from PJ was telling the truth on this subject or not. Because it directly to me proves the other media as spreading "fake news" on Roy being a racist here.
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@musiclady @Smokin Joe @Bigun @TomSea
Or you could of actually got the true story of what Roy Moore said instead of believing the 400 fake media reports that ran with a falsified report of what Roy Moore said.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/cnn-twists-roy-moores-comments-about-slavery-and-american-greatness/
I am not going to bother quoting it for you. If you claim to actually care about spreading truth over lies then you know what to do. Read the PJ article and compare it to what 400 other media stations put out. I would as a fellow Christian ask if you think my article from PJ was telling the truth on this subject or not. Because it directly to me proves the other media as spreading "fake news" on Roy being a racist here.
I read his exact quote and based my opinion on what his actual words were.
There is no 'fake news' involved, nor am I swayed by any form of media.
I'm not that stupid.
Please give me a little credit.
Edited to add: I didn't even hear or read a 'media report' on this. I went directly to his comments, with no media influence. One has to work very hard to excuse what he said, though I have no doubt that many feel like that's what they need to do.
I stand by my words because they reflect accurately the racism in Moore's comment.
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I read his exact quote and based my opinion on what his actual words were.
There is no 'fake news' involved, nor am I swayed by any form of media.
I'm not that stupid.
Please give me a little credit.
So you disagree with him saying that America was better when families were united? THAT is breathtaking!
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So you disagree with him saying that America was better when families were united? THAT is breathtaking!
What's breathtaking is that you deliberately missed the whole point and said something this mindless.
He could have gone to the 1950's to make his point. Going to the time of slavery when black families were torn apart to find a time when families were "united" was tone deaf, stupid, and ignorant.
That you agree with Moore on that, is more than breathtaking...... it's unbelievable. You're a smart guy. Don't act dumb just to try to be cute.
Any further comments to me on this thread will be "Mark as Read."
If anyone wants to know the TRUTH about what I've said here, look it up and read the words that are there.
I'm done with being deliberately misquoted and misinterpreted.
I've made my points clearly and repeatedly.
Enough. :seeya:
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I read his exact quote and based my opinion on what his actual words were.
There is no 'fake news' involved, nor am I swayed by any form of media.
I'm not that stupid.
Please give me a little credit.
Lets look at his exact words you say is racist.
I think we've been striving for that greatness all the way through. I think you're right about that. And I think it was great in the minds of those who formed the Declaration, though they were not perfect people. They had problems. Those problems have been corrected by — unfortunately war — by constitutional amendment.
We've had to — we've corrected a lot of our problems. I think it was great at a time when families were united, even though we had slavery, they cared for one another. People were strong in the families. Our families were strong, our country had a direction, and we corrected many of the problems.
Today, I see our families divided, I see people in prison, young men, and women, that have a life ahead of them that have not been led and nurtured in the families like they used to be. And I know, I’m talking to you because you, like me, you’re an age when you remember when families used to care, when fathers used to care, when mothers used to care, and children used to care and weren’t disrespectful.
The greatness I see was in our culture, not in all our policies, there were problems — we had slavery, we’ve overcome slavery, we had prejudice, we still have prejudice. But we’ve turned the tide on civil rights, we’ve done a lot of things to bring this country around, and I think we can still make it better
Moore does not want to turn back the clock. He mentioned slavery as an evil no less than four times, noting that even at the time of the Declaration of Independence, America had "problems" that had to be solved in "unfortunately war" and by "constitutional amendment," a clear reference to slavery, the Civil War, and the Thirteenth Amendment.
Moore did not point to a time when America was "great," and call for returning to that time. Instead, Lisa Mascaro misreported the black man's question, and she truncated Moore's answer. These were understandable mistakes, but they were mistakes nonetheless -- and they have had a tremendous impact on the news cycle mere days before the December 12 election.
Moore's opponents in the media do their side no favors when they misrepresent the truth, thus undercutting their own credibility to attack him. Doug Jones did himself no favors by joining this call.
Nevertheless, they continue to do so. In September, they attacked him as racist for referencing "Jesus loves the little children." This month, they're after him for allegedly praising the bygone era of slavery.
I didn't see the racism. I don't see how you did either. What I saw was people later taking things completely out of text and it saddens me.
I found the direct audio... will try to load it in mp3 format.
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He could have said "I think it was great at the time when families were united." That spans a lot of American history, including the first hundred years or so when slavery was allowed. It seems to me that he, rather clumsily, tried to explain why he thought America was great even during those times of slavery and on through until the decades that all families really started being split apart.
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So you disagree with him saying that America was better when families were united? THAT is breathtaking!
LOL. Hey slick. That's not what he said. He said in response to Reagan saying that Russia was the focus of evil in the modern world: "You could say that about America, couldn't you?". When the shocked reporter asked him to expand on that he explained: "Same sex marriage". That isn't talking about families uniting. That's talking specifically about homosexuals. If he where talking about families uniting he would have retorted about divorce rates and out of wedlock kiddos.
Here is the full interview. It is uncut and is only 8 minutes. It's outrageous the Soviet love going on in it....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/10/alabama-senate-race-roy-moore-vladimir-putin-russia (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/10/alabama-senate-race-roy-moore-vladimir-putin-russia)
BTW if I were sitting in a bar and Roy said that quote openly about the US being the focus of evil, I would knock him on his fat ass and piss on his face for my own entertainment. You wanna high five an America hating shitbag, feel free, but you are not getting away with spinning this mental retards words. We got them live on Candid effing Camera.
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LOL. Hey slick. That's not what he said. He said in response to Reagan saying that Russia was the focus of evil in the modern world: "You could say that about America, couldn't you?". When the shocked reporter asked him to expand on that he explained: "Same sex marriage". That isn't talking about families uniting. That's talking specifically about homosexuals. If he where talking about families uniting he would have retorted about divorce rates and out of wedlock kiddos.
Here is the full interview. It is uncut and is only 8 minutes. It's outrageous the Soviet love going on in it....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/10/alabama-senate-race-roy-moore-vladimir-putin-russia (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/10/alabama-senate-race-roy-moore-vladimir-putin-russia)
BTW if I were sitting in a bar and Roy said that quote openly about the US being the focus of evil, I would knock him on his fat ass and piss on his face for my own entertainment. You wanna high five an America hating shitbag, feel free, but you are not getting away with spinning this mental retards words. We got them live on Candid effing Camera.
The actual quote is posted above by @Sighlass Frank! YOU are FOS on this! Completely!
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The actual quote is posted above by @Sighlass Frank! YOU are FOS on this! Completely!
So you are saying he didn't say that in the interview? LOL. What? Did the Soviets doctor the interview?
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GD, can y'all get it the eff together? You're talking about two different interviews.
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BTW if I were sitting in a bar and Roy said that quote openly about the US being the focus of evil, I would knock him on his fat ass and piss on his face for my own entertainment.
Somewhere, there’s a Fusion GPS dossier on you.
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Somewhere, there’s a Fusion GPS dossier on you.
Where do you think the idea for that came from?
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The actual quote is posted above by @Sighlass Frank! YOU are FOS on this! Completely!
Yep.. and here is the actual audio of what Roy said... too bad the full question is cut off at the beginning...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_a_IXgV1hg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_a_IXgV1hg)
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Lets look at his exact words you say is racist.
I didn't see the racism. I don't see how you did either. What I saw was people later taking things completely out of text and it saddens me.
I found the direct audio... will try to load it in mp3 format.
Nice try, but someone has their jihad on, and nothing, especially facts, will stop them. Bon chance!
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He could have said "I think it was great at the time when families were united." That spans a lot of American history, including the first hundred years or so when slavery was allowed. It seems to me that he, rather clumsily, tried to explain why he thought America was great even during those times of slavery and on through until the decades that all families really started being split apart.
I think the problem is that, as a judge, he is used to explaining things. Unfortunately, the average American's eyes glaze over at anything much longer and more complex than a 30 second commercial spot.
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I think the problem is that, as a judge, he is used to explaining things. Unfortunately, the average American's eyes glaze over at anything much longer and more complex than a 30 second commercial spot.
(http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/idiocracy-ow-my-balls.jpg)
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(http://www.bontheball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/idiocracy-ow-my-balls.jpg)
"Go away...'batin'"
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The outside row is distraction-- advertising to be sure, but intended to distract the player so they will have to put more money in to keep playing. It's revenue for the owner both ways, and may even slip in under the conscious radar to get them to 'buy popcorn', but not consciously considered by the player.
"Ow, My Balls!" is the level of conscious thought.
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I think the problem is that, as a judge, he is used to explaining things. Unfortunately, the average American's eyes glaze over at anything much longer and more complex than a 30 second commercial spot.
And then there are the people who hear/read what they want. At worst he was racially insensitive, but so what? People decide whether or not they are going to be offended. And even the best of us say things that don't come out exactly right the first time. BFD.
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And then there are the people who hear/read what they want. At worst he was racially insensitive, but so what? People decide whether or not they are going to be offended. And even the best of us say things that don't come out exactly right the first time. BFD.
QFT, BTDT, just recently. Even ordinarily rational people who have their minds made up they are going to be offended will be so, and will not be dissuaded from misinterpretation, even if their fallacy was refuted in plain language.
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Modern zeitgeist???
That's what you call the concept that people should be free?? That's what you call NOT defending the purchase of human beings and their being treated as property?? That's what you call opposing the selling of wives and husbands, and children away from their families to other plantations, or excusing it because it didn't happen that often?? That's what you call being shocked that someone would say slavery was better because at least then blacks worked???
THAT is what you call "modern zeitgeist??"
What is going on on this forum??
Has loyalty to Roy Moore turned people inside out?? Defending trolling for children because there aren't enough older women who are "pure?" Now saying slavery wasn't all that bad??
Or were some of you this way to begin with, and your love of Moore just tore away the façade??
If there are many of you who actually believe these things, then perhaps some of the rest of us need to find a more decent forum.
@musiclady
In my opinion, there's so much anger and fear running wild in people that politics is taking on a cultic edge, and not just with Trump.
I've seen the view put forth that Moore wasn't at all a flawed candidate. Number one, no candidate is perfect. Number two, he always had baggage, including the shady financial stuff he had going on with his non-profit. But every time I mentioned it, it was ignored. Except for once, when the person I was posting to denied any of it ever happened (!!!).
We're at the point where asserting a favored politician has problems is met with denial and rage. If you don't follow the party line that he's a perfect Christian warrior who's going to save us all, you're the enemy. Literally. You're an undercover Democrat being paid by Soros. And his supporters will do their best to shout you down. It's insane. But the desperation is so intense to !get that guy in office! because the world will end if we don't. No. It won't.
As for the slavery argument, I'm Southern born and raised. I don't know much about my ancestors...I'd be surprised if any of them owned slaves. Even if they did, I wouldn't apologize for it because I had absolutely zero to do with it. But I understand slavery was a horrible thing, that because of it the South was destined to lose the war, and I'm not one of those people wanting the South to "rise" again, whatever that means. I think we're doing fine.
To be honest, when I read someone put forth that, well, slave families weren't always broken up, you know, and hey, they were working! And they had a roof and ate organic food....I don't know. I don't know what planet I'm on because it isn't the thoughtful one I came to in April of 2016.
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We're at the point where asserting a favored politician has problems is met with denial and rage. If you don't follow the party line that he's a perfect Christian warrior who's going to save us all, you're the enemy. Literally. You're an undercover Democrat being paid by Soros. And his supporters will do their best to shout you down. It's insane. But the desperation is so intense to !get that guy in office! because the world will end if we don't. No. It won't.
No. You don't get to install your own narrative. Two Kookbats accused Moore. People in the Party such as yourself, did everything they could to insure these accusations were both widely spread and believed.
Rather than look at contradicting evidence, the entire party merely accepted the accusations, denounced Moore, and urged Alabamans to vote for anyone else. Two prominent Republican officials took active roles in pushing the knife deeper in his back. (Richard Shelby and Jeff Flake)
The truth is, most of these people didn't like this embarrassing hickified "deplorable" whom the media would follow around with microphones so as to embarrass the rest of them, and they were thrilled to death that some Scumbag reporterette (N***er Rock) dragged up some white trash kooks to make accusations against the man.
The nation appears to me to be full of garbage human beings who have no ethics or morals, and rather than openly embrace it as the Democrats do, the Republicans prefer to hide it while they behave like hypocrites.
May Alabamans and Arizonians get particularly burned by the actions of their vile Senators.
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No. You don't get to install your own narrative. Two Kookbats accused Moore. People in the Party such as yourself, did everything they could to insure these accusations were both widely spread and believed.
Rather than look at contradicting evidence, the entire party merely accepted the accusations, denounced Moore, and urged Alabamans to vote for anyone else. Two prominent Republican officials took active roles in pushing the knife deeper in his back. (Richard Shelby and Jeff Flake)
The truth is, most of these people didn't like this embarrassing hickified "deplorable" whom the media would follow around with microphones so as to embarrass the rest of them, and they were thrilled to death that some Scumbag reporterette (N***er Rock) dragged up some white trash kooks to make accusations against the man.
The nation appears to me to be full of garbage human beings who have no ethics or morals, and rather than openly embrace it as the Democrats do, the Republicans prefer to hide it while they behave like hypocrites.
May Alabamans and Arizonians get particularly burned by the actions of their vile Senators.
@DiogenesLamp
Well said and every word true! 888high58888
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No. You don't get to install your own narrative. Two Kookbats accused Moore. People in the Party such as yourself, did everything they could to insure these accusations were both widely spread and believed.
Rather than look at contradicting evidence, the entire party merely accepted the accusations, denounced Moore, and urged Alabamans to vote for anyone else. Two prominent Republican officials took active roles in pushing the knife deeper in his back. (Richard Shelby and Jeff Flake)
The truth is, most of these people didn't like this embarrassing hickified "deplorable" whom the media would follow around with microphones so as to embarrass the rest of them, and they were thrilled to death that some Scumbag reporterette (N***er Rock) dragged up some white trash kooks to make accusations against the man.
The nation appears to me to be full of garbage human beings who have no ethics or morals, and rather than openly embrace it as the Democrats do, the Republicans prefer to hide it while they behave like hypocrites.
May Alabamans and Arizonians get particularly burned by the actions of their vile Senators.
Yep! 888high58888
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No. You don't get to install your own narrative. Two Kookbats accused Moore. People in the Party such as yourself, did everything they could to insure these accusations were both widely spread and believed.
Rather than look at contradicting evidence, the entire party merely accepted the accusations, denounced Moore, and urged Alabamans to vote for anyone else. Two prominent Republican officials took active roles in pushing the knife deeper in his back. (Richard Shelby and Jeff Flake)
The truth is, most of these people didn't like this embarrassing hickified "deplorable" whom the media would follow around with microphones so as to embarrass the rest of them, and they were thrilled to death that some Scumbag reporterette (N***er Rock) dragged up some white trash kooks to make accusations against the man.
The nation appears to me to be full of garbage human beings who have no ethics or morals, and rather than openly embrace it as the Democrats do, the Republicans prefer to hide it while they behave like hypocrites.
May Alabamans and Arizonians get particularly burned by the actions of their vile Senators.
@DiogenesLamp
So I guess no lessons have been learned and you'll fall for the next nut who comes along.
Okay, but don't be surprised by the consequences.
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@musiclady
In my opinion, there's so much anger and fear running wild in people that politics is taking on a cultic edge, and not just with Trump.
I've seen the view put forth that Moore wasn't at all a flawed candidate. Number one, no candidate is perfect. Number two, he always had baggage, including the shady financial stuff he had going on with his non-profit. But every time I mentioned it, it was ignored. Except for once, when the person I was posting to denied any of it ever happened (!!!).
We're at the point where asserting a favored politician has problems is met with denial and rage. If you don't follow the party line that he's a perfect Christian warrior who's going to save us all, you're the enemy. Literally. You're an undercover Democrat being paid by Soros. And his supporters will do their best to shout you down. It's insane. But the desperation is so intense to !get that guy in office! because the world will end if we don't. No. It won't.
@CatherineofAragon
I agree with your assessment that there's a tremendous amount of anger, denial, and rage running rampant (often within folks with the same team jersey on). I remain disappointed in the number of times that disagreement is met, not with substantive, counter-evidence or contrary data, but rather simply with personal attacks against the individual. I find it quite sad that so much political disagreement has somehow recently come down to this.
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@DiogenesLamp
So I guess no lessons have been learned and you'll fall for the next nut who comes along.
Oh it's clear that no lessons were learned. You can't get around cognitive dissonance with mere facts. Here you are trying to lecture me about the mote in my eye, and it's just delightfully ironic.
You still think what you did was right, and it's just one more example of how there is just no getting through to people who really want to believe what they want to believe.
And for what it's worth, all candidates are nuts, it's just the Media Attack machine focuses only on the nutty things our side says.
Okay, but don't be surprised by the consequences.
I am rarely surprised by the consequences and when it happens I am usually pleasantly surprised. I am a cynic, and I normally expect people to do foolish things. Unfortunately it is all too predictable.
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Never dreamed this thread would hit 1100+
Talk about a sore spot among the troops.
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Never dreamed this thread would hit 1100+
Talk about a sore spot among the troops.
How did you feel when George HW Bush broke his "Read my lips! No new Taxes!" promise?
Betrayed?
How about when John Roberts decided that Obamacare was a "Tax", and was therefore legal?
John McCain being the deciding vote to not repeal Obamacare?
How do you react to back stabbings?
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How did you feel when George HW Bush broke his "Read my lips! No new Taxes!" promise?
Betrayed?
I didn't feel betrayed. I expected it. Figured that one out eight years earlier. GHWBush was the anti-Reagan. Which is why I never voted for him.
How about when John Roberts decided that Obamacare was a "Tax", and was therefore legal?
Didn't have a problem with that. Roberts simply delayed the decision for a year. The Betrayal came when Republicans declined to pursue the case once the tax went into effect. I am fully confident that Roberts would have ruled the tax 'unconstitutional' once plaintiff established standing.
John McCain being the deciding vote to not repeal Obamacare?
Fully expected that one, too. Which is why I didn't vote for him either.
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Fully expected that one, too. Which is why I didn't vote for him [McCain] either.
Me neither. I hadn't voted for rat-bastid McCain since the 80's. Been in AZ almost 40 years....
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@musiclady
In my opinion, there's so much anger and fear running wild in people that politics is taking on a cultic edge, and not just with Trump.
I've seen the view put forth that Moore wasn't at all a flawed candidate. Number one, no candidate is perfect. Number two, he always had baggage, including the shady financial stuff he had going on with his non-profit. But every time I mentioned it, it was ignored. Except for once, when the person I was posting to denied any of it ever happened (!!!).
We're at the point where asserting a favored politician has problems is met with denial and rage. If you don't follow the party line that he's a perfect Christian warrior who's going to save us all, you're the enemy. Literally. You're an undercover Democrat being paid by Soros. And his supporters will do their best to shout you down. It's insane. But the desperation is so intense to !get that guy in office! because the world will end if we don't. No. It won't.
As for the slavery argument, I'm Southern born and raised. I don't know much about my ancestors...I'd be surprised if any of them owned slaves. Even if they did, I wouldn't apologize for it because I had absolutely zero to do with it. But I understand slavery was a horrible thing, that because of it the South was destined to lose the war, and I'm not one of those people wanting the South to "rise" again, whatever that means. I think we're doing fine.
To be honest, when I read someone put forth that, well, slave families weren't always broken up, you know, and hey, they were working! And they had a roof and ate organic food....I don't know. I don't know what planet I'm on because it isn't the thoughtful one I came to in April of 2016.
The loyalty to the highly flawed Moore is verging on bizarre. The accusations bursting forth at rational conservatives who question his capabilities and character, are unnerving.
Let's just hope that it's just a few and that the fever will pass, and the forum will return to the place we all thought it was to begin with.
Because right now, what's being defended is not at all conservative.
Not at ALL.
@CatherineofAragon
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No. You don't get to install your own narrative. Two Kookbats accused Moore. People in the Party such as yourself, did everything they could to insure these accusations were both widely spread and believed.
Rather than look at contradicting evidence, the entire party merely accepted the accusations, denounced Moore, and urged Alabamans to vote for anyone else. Two prominent Republican officials took active roles in pushing the knife deeper in his back. (Richard Shelby and Jeff Flake)
The truth is, most of these people didn't like this embarrassing hickified "deplorable" whom the media would follow around with microphones so as to embarrass the rest of them, and they were thrilled to death that some Scumbag reporterette (N***er Rock) dragged up some white trash kooks to make accusations against the man.
Thank you @DiogenesLamp
The loyalty to the highly flawed Moore is verging on bizarre. The accusations bursting forth at rational conservatives who question his capabilities and character, are unnerving.
Let's just hope that it's just a few and that the fever will pass, and the forum will return to the place we all thought it was to begin with.
Because right now, what's being defended is not at all conservative.
Not at ALL.
Here pictured is one of the first tea parties in state meeting about 40 miles from the Gadsden Mall. Roy Moore was there, and you can see my mother (she died on 9-11 in 2010) dressed in the pink with a red/white hat sitting in a chair. I was proud that she asked to go along with me that day. After her heart surgery, we purchased the home across from ours to keep a better eye on her. My mother was what I considered one of the best judges of character I ever knew. She told me John McCain was evil after hearing his speech in town and shaking his hand (attempt) and asking him to " please support God" in all he did. She said his eyes went evil dark after she requested that and he would not shake her hand. She got to met Roy Moore twice in person. Lets just say she didn't have the same reaction as she did with McCain. She adored Roy.
(https://s2.postimg.org/m24e22mq1/Fort_Payne_Tea_Party.jpg)
Now all the above means absolutely nothing, except to me and my family of course. I guess Mother was just a silly old woman that loved God and country. Or perhaps according to some, a bizarre irrational who never wavered on her beliefs.
She believed in truth, not spreading lies and she listened to both sides before coming to conclusions. Heck, she even asked advice and insight at times. One of the few I felt comfortable talking politics with.
I wish mom was still alive and got to meet some on this forum. I would ask her what she saw in their eyes.
Now I never got mom's gift of gab or sight into people's hearts. I have to slowly judge via weighing what people say and how they say it over time. Lets just say I saw how people slung false accusations and then when called on it, they played the victim.
Hopefully some this Christmas receive full length mirrors to properly examine themselves in.
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Now I carefully avoided naming names as you did in your post. But two can play the game of not naming names and still let it be known what was meant to be conveyed. Excuse the fact that the above was a liberal emotional appeal like something one would see at DemocraticUnderground. It seems some here liked to use that as evidence instead of actual transcripts of what was said. Heck make a video of the audio and put it up on Youtube, just ignored and they stick fingers their in ears and say, I hear what I want to hear and don't talk to me any more.
Have a great day... (spreading lies)
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The loyalty to the highly flawed Moore is verging on bizarre. The accusations bursting forth at rational conservatives who question his capabilities and character, are unnerving.
Let's just hope that it's just a few and that the fever will pass, and the forum will return to the place we all thought it was to begin with.
Because right now, what's being defended is not at all conservative.
Not at ALL.
@CatherineofAragon
Yeah, that whole innocent until proven guilty is so much liberal BS.
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How did you feel when George HW Bush broke his "Read my lips! No new Taxes!" promise?
Betrayed?
How about when John Roberts decided that Obamacare was a "Tax", and was therefore legal?
John McCain being the deciding vote to not repeal Obamacare?
How do you react to back stabbings?
Lol....I was just observing the volume of posts, not taking a specific side. You sure made my point.
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Lol....I was just observing the volume of posts, not taking a specific side. You sure made my point.
Kinda like Taylor Swift coming under fire for not running her mouth about politics.
Frankly both sides can consider me the enemy and KMA.
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@CatherineofAragon
I agree with your assessment that there's a tremendous amount of anger, denial, and rage running rampant (often within folks with the same team jersey on). I remain disappointed in the number of times that disagreement is met, not with substantive, counter-evidence or contrary data, but rather simply with personal attacks against the individual. I find it quite sad that so much political disagreement has somehow recently come down to this.
@Concerned
I just really think it all boils down to a desperate, and misguided, conviction that politicians can save us.
That, and a rage at the media and the left that has twisted out of control. I understand feeling angry over the years of journalistic bias and the crap the left has gotten away with. But we’re at the point where that rage has blinded us. If a politician nurses that rage by grandstanding and spouting bombastic crap and making liberal heads explode, we’ll fall over ourselves to get behind him. And by God you better not speak against him, because he GETS it. Past misdeeds? Shut up! Never happened! Fake news!
God knows I’m no intellectual but even I can see that conservatives have to start THINKING again. All we’re doing right now is reacting. That’s giving the left too much power over us, and it’s going to end in tears.
It already has.
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The loyalty to the highly flawed Moore is verging on bizarre. The accusations bursting forth at rational conservatives who question his capabilities and character, are unnerving.
Let's just hope that it's just a few and that the fever will pass, and the forum will return to the place we all thought it was to begin with.
Because right now, what's being defended is not at all conservative.
Not at ALL.
@CatherineofAragon
@musiclady
I hope you’re right, and that it will. Too many conservatives are cruising on emotion. Last night a grown man on this forum threw a fit and told me not to speak to him again. Fine with me, but I remember when conservatives—-certainly males—-didn’t behave like snowflakes.
We better get a grip.
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@musiclady
I hope you’re right, and that it will. Too many conservatives are cruising on emotion. Last night a grown man on this forum threw a fit and told me not to speak to him again. Fine with me, but I remember when conservatives—-certainly males—-didn’t behave like snowflakes.
We better get a grip.
In behaving like liberals, they've become liberals.
"If you can't beat them, join them" is not a statement of victory. Its an admission of defeat.
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Give till it hurts suckers. :silly:
Roy Moore fundraising for 'election integrity fund' ahead of election certification
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/365197-moore-asking-donations-for-election-integrity-fund (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/365197-moore-asking-donations-for-election-integrity-fund)
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Thank you @DiogenesLamp
Here pictured is one of the first tea parties in state meeting about 40 miles from the Gadsden Mall. Roy Moore was there, and you can see my mother (she died on 9-11 in 2010) dressed in the pink with a red/white hat sitting in a chair. I was proud that she asked to go along with me that day. After her heart surgery, we purchased the home across from ours to keep a better eye on her. My mother was what I considered one of the best judges of character I ever knew. She told me John McCain was evil after hearing his speech in town and shaking his hand (attempt) and asking him to " please support God" in all he did. She said his eyes went evil dark after she requested that and he would not shake her hand. She got to met Roy Moore twice in person. Lets just say she didn't have the same reaction as she did with McCain. She adored Roy.
(https://s2.postimg.org/m24e22mq1/Fort_Payne_Tea_Party.jpg)
Now all the above means absolutely nothing, except to me and my family of course. I guess Mother was just a silly old woman that loved God and country. Or perhaps according to some, a bizarre irrational who never wavered on her beliefs.
She believed in truth, not spreading lies and she listened to both sides before coming to conclusions. Heck, she even asked advice and insight at times. One of the few I felt comfortable talking politics with.
I wish mom was still alive and got to meet some on this forum. I would ask her what she saw in their eyes.
Now I never got mom's gift of gab or sight into people's hearts. I have to slowly judge via weighing what people say and how they say it over time. Lets just say I saw how people slung false accusations and then when called on it, they played the victim.
Hopefully some this Christmas receive full length mirrors to properly examine themselves in.
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Now I carefully avoided naming names as you did in your post. But two can play the game of not naming names and still let it be known what was meant to be conveyed. Excuse the fact that the above was a liberal emotional appeal like something one would see at DemocraticUnderground. It seems some here liked to use that as evidence instead of actual transcripts of what was said. Heck make a video of the audio and put it up on Youtube, just ignored and they stick fingers their in ears and say, I hear what I want to hear and don't talk to me any more.
Have a great day... (spreading lies)
Thank you @Sighlass for a great personal story. My mom had a similar reaction after meeting then a young Hillary Rodham back in 1972 during the McGovern campaign. She showed up unannounced at a campaign headquarters and started giving bossy orders. After that experience, my mom was turned off by Deamoncrats. Never supported one again.
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Give till it hurts suckers. :silly:
Roy Moore fundraising for 'election integrity fund' ahead of election certification
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/365197-moore-asking-donations-for-election-integrity-fund (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/365197-moore-asking-donations-for-election-integrity-fund)
@Cripplecreek
The Benny Hinn of politics.
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@Cripplecreek
The Benny Hinn of politics.
Fame junkie
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@musiclady
I hope you’re right, and that it will. Too many conservatives are cruising on emotion. Last night a grown man on this forum threw a fit and told me not to speak to him again. Fine with me, but I remember when conservatives—-certainly males—-didn’t behave like snowflakes.
We better get a grip.
There definitely has been a snowflake-like refusal to deal with differing opinions around here, and emotionally driven replies by a few, complete with mockery and tongue lashings when legitimate arguments were made against their candidate.
In addition, it's been notable that when the polls showed Moore ahead, we were told how wise the voters of Alabama were, and that they would make the right decision, but when they rejected Moore on election day, it magically became someone else's fault, and not Moore's himself, that he lost. There's still a lot of whining going on from these grown-up male conservatives.
Not unlike the Dems behaved about Hillary's loss, methinks.....
As I said before, I hope some of these stalwart conservatives reactivate their brains, and soon, and realize that, no matter how much they love him, Moore, like Hillary, was a very bad candidate, not a conservative hero, and that's where the fault lies.
@CatherineofAragon
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Thank you @DiogenesLamp
Here pictured is one of the first tea parties in state meeting about 40 miles from the Gadsden Mall. Roy Moore was there, and you can see my mother (she died on 9-11 in 2010) dressed in the pink with a red/white hat sitting in a chair. I was proud that she asked to go along with me that day. After her heart surgery, we purchased the home across from ours to keep a better eye on her. My mother was what I considered one of the best judges of character I ever knew. She told me John McCain was evil after hearing his speech in town and shaking his hand (attempt) and asking him to " please support God" in all he did. She said his eyes went evil dark after she requested that and he would not shake her hand. She got to met Roy Moore twice in person. Lets just say she didn't have the same reaction as she did with McCain. She adored Roy.
(https://s2.postimg.org/m24e22mq1/Fort_Payne_Tea_Party.jpg)
Now all the above means absolutely nothing, except to me and my family of course. I guess Mother was just a silly old woman that loved God and country. Or perhaps according to some, a bizarre irrational who never wavered on her beliefs.
She believed in truth, not spreading lies and she listened to both sides before coming to conclusions. Heck, she even asked advice and insight at times. One of the few I felt comfortable talking politics with.
I wish mom was still alive and got to meet some on this forum. I would ask her what she saw in their eyes.
Now I never got mom's gift of gab or sight into people's hearts. I have to slowly judge via weighing what people say and how they say it over time. Lets just say I saw how people slung false accusations and then when called on it, they played the victim.
Hopefully some this Christmas receive full length mirrors to properly examine themselves in.
________________
Now I carefully avoided naming names as you did in your post. But two can play the game of not naming names and still let it be known what was meant to be conveyed. Excuse the fact that the above was a liberal emotional appeal like something one would see at DemocraticUnderground. It seems some here liked to use that as evidence instead of actual transcripts of what was said. Heck make a video of the audio and put it up on Youtube, just ignored and they stick fingers their in ears and say, I hear what I want to hear and don't talk to me any more.
Have a great day... (spreading lies)
@Sighlass
I want you to know that YOU are my kind of American! One that I will stand beside and fight alongside to the very end!
Unfortunately, your mom, yourself, and all of those like us have become enemies of the state now. Mitch McConnell has publicly stated his intention to squash TEA party types and, with the willing aid of many self identified "conservatives" posting here he's doing exactly that at present. We must not let that get us down to the point of giving up and quitting. If we do that all is lost forever.
https://www.facebook.com/patriotjoe1776/videos/148637449237112/ (https://www.facebook.com/patriotjoe1776/videos/148637449237112/)
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@Cripplecreek
The Benny Hinn of politics.
Panhandling for a recount nobody's asking for and probably won't happen, anyway. The Jill Stein of 2017.
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Yeah, that whole innocent until proven guilty is so much liberal BS.
There was much more than the recent accusations that brought Moore down.
It's not as simple as some of you pretend it is.
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There was much more than the recent accusations that brought Moore down.
It's not as simple as some of you pretend it is.
*****rollingeyes*****
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There definitely has been a snowflake-like refusal to deal with differing opinions around here, and emotionally driven replies ...
Says the poster who has lived on this thread for five days swimming in emotion of her own making. *****rollingeyes*****
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Thank you @DiogenesLamp
Here pictured is one of the first tea parties in state meeting about 40 miles from the Gadsden Mall. Roy Moore was there, and you can see my mother (she died on 9-11 in 2010) dressed in the pink with a red/white hat sitting in a chair. I was proud that she asked to go along with me that day. After her heart surgery, we purchased the home across from ours to keep a better eye on her. My mother was what I considered one of the best judges of character I ever knew. She told me John McCain was evil after hearing his speech in town and shaking his hand (attempt) and asking him to " please support God" in all he did. She said his eyes went evil dark after she requested that and he would not shake her hand. She got to met Roy Moore twice in person. Lets just say she didn't have the same reaction as she did with McCain. She adored Roy.
(https://s2.postimg.org/m24e22mq1/Fort_Payne_Tea_Party.jpg)
Now all the above means absolutely nothing, except to me and my family of course. I guess Mother was just a silly old woman that loved God and country. Or perhaps according to some, a bizarre irrational who never wavered on her beliefs.
She believed in truth, not spreading lies and she listened to both sides before coming to conclusions. Heck, she even asked advice and insight at times. One of the few I felt comfortable talking politics with.
I wish mom was still alive and got to meet some on this forum. I would ask her what she saw in their eyes.
Now I never got mom's gift of gab or sight into people's hearts. I have to slowly judge via weighing what people say and how they say it over time. Lets just say I saw how people slung false accusations and then when called on it, they played the victim.
Hopefully some this Christmas receive full length mirrors to properly examine themselves in.
________________
Now I carefully avoided naming names as you did in your post. But two can play the game of not naming names and still let it be known what was meant to be conveyed. Excuse the fact that the above was a liberal emotional appeal like something one would see at DemocraticUnderground. It seems some here liked to use that as evidence instead of actual transcripts of what was said. Heck make a video of the audio and put it up on Youtube, just ignored and they stick fingers their in ears and say, I hear what I want to hear and don't talk to me any more.
Have a great day...
Thanks for introducing us to your mom, she reminds me of my own.
Though the names may change this fight ain’t over. Glad we share the same foxhole.
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Thanks for introducing us to your mom, she reminds me of my own.
Though the names may change this fight ain’t over. Glad we share the same foxhole.
Ditto on both counts.
Glad that both of you are here as well, Skeeter and Sighlass!
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Ditto on both counts.
Glad that both of you are here as well, Skeeter and Sighlass!
:patriot:
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Thank you @DiogenesLamp
You are welcome. Some of us see past the superficial.
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Yeah, that whole innocent until proven guilty is so much liberal BS.
Bravo!
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@Concerned
I just really think it all boils down to a desperate, and misguided, conviction that politicians can save us.
That, and a rage at the media and the left that has twisted out of control. I understand feeling angry over the years of journalistic bias and the crap the left has gotten away with. But we’re at the point where that rage has blinded us. If a politician nurses that rage by grandstanding and spouting bombastic crap and making liberal heads explode, we’ll fall over ourselves to get behind him. And by God you better not speak against him, because he GETS it. Past misdeeds? Shut up! Never happened! Fake news!
God knows I’m no intellectual but even I can see that conservatives have to start THINKING again. All we’re doing right now is reacting. That’s giving the left too much power over us, and it’s going to end in tears.
It already has.
You can philosophize or you can act. We've had philosophizing from William Buckley et al for nigh on 60 years, and he and they have yet to throw a stumbling block in the path of the Liberal Socialist Juggernaut.
The left wing politicians of the 1960s look like right wing extremist kooks nowadays. The nation has move inexorably left, and all the navel gazing in the world has done nothing to halt the skew.
Finally people are starting to realize that the media systems are Democrat propaganda agencies, and finally people are taking steps to nullify their manipulation of elections. It is perfectly reasonable that they should embrace the sorts of people who are talking about finally taking action instead of just talking some more.
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In behaving like liberals, they've become liberals.
"If you can't beat them, join them" is not a statement of victory. Its an admission of defeat.
So when you shoot Nazis, this makes you into Nazis? What sort of weapon do you suggest we use against enemies? Flowers?
Pontificate about how we don't want to be like them while doing nothing to stop it, and you will become like them because they will conquer you.
A plan that doesn't stop anything is not a plan. It's a surrender to the inevitable.
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There was much more than the recent accusations that brought Moore down.
Statements like this convince me that some people utterly have no grasps of the social dynamics at work. Yes, it was pretty much only the accusations that brought him down. That and the backstabbing by his own "allies".
It's not as simple as some of you pretend it is.
It's not as complicated as you pretend it is. Moore won statewide election in 2013. It is a virtual certainty he would have won this one too in absence of accusations and backstabbing.
15-28 points ahead in the polls prior to accusations? Yeah, it really is as simple as the evidence demonstrates.
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You are welcome. Some of us see past the superficial.
Yes, even as those who emotionally refused to even look at facts self-righteously huddle and snark and Liberally vilify those of us who did not rush to judgement, it's good to know there are more of us.
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Yes, even as those who emotionally refused to even look at facts self-righteously huddle and snark and Liberally vilify those of us who did not rush to judgement, it's good to know there are more of us.
Not nearly enough, and at a loss as to how to get people to think more critically.
People are in ruts. They just want to believe what they want to believe. They want no contradictory facts impinging on their world view.
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Good grief, all of this pouting coming from grown men is a new thing for me.
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Good grief, all of this pouting coming from grown men is a new thing for me.
uh uh
Yeah. Post your no fail sugar cookie recipe on the recipe thread.
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uh uh
Yeah. Post your no fail sugar cookie recipe on the recipe thread.
Can't you let this effing shitshow of a thread die already? No one gives a royal fart about Roy and AL anymore.
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Can't you let this effing shitshow of a thread die already? No one gives a royal fart about Roy and AL anymore.
Waitaminute...@CatherineofAragon has a no-fail sugar cookie recipe??
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Waitaminute...@CatherineofAragon has a no-fail sugar cookie recipe??
@Cyber Liberty
@bigheadfred
Sure! Pulled right out of a cookbook, lol.
I do need to go over the to the recipe thread, though. and see what's going on. I need a good no-fail gravy recipe.
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@Cyber Liberty
@bigheadfred
Sure! Pulled right out of a cookbook, lol.
I do need to go over the to the recipe thread, though. and see what's going on. I need a good no-fail gravy recipe.
When I was in Middle School, we had School Board people who used their noggins. Everybody, especially boys, were required to take a semester of Home Ec, and everybody was also required to take a Semester of Woodshop.
Guys learned how to read and follow recipes, which proved to be vital necessities considering how many of us ended up singe either from no pickings or Divorces, and the ladies learned how a Lathe and Jigsaw worked. Win-win, and everybody kept all their fingers.
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When I was in Middle School, we had School Board people who used their noggins. Everybody, especially boys, were required to take a semester of Home Ec, and everybody was also required to take a Semester of Woodshop.
Guys learned how to read and follow recipes, which proved to be vital necessities considering how many of us ended up singe either from no pickings or Divorces, and the ladies learned how a Lathe and Jigsaw worked. Win-win, and everybody kept all their fingers.
That's a good sense approach. I started having an interest in cooking in junior high, but I've never learned my way around a toolbox, really. I could start, though.
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When I was in Middle School, we had School Board people who used their noggins. Everybody, especially boys, were required to take a semester of Home Ec, and everybody was also required to take a Semester of Woodshop.
Guys learned how to read and follow recipes, which proved to be vital necessities considering how many of us ended up singe either from no pickings or Divorces, and the ladies learned how a Lathe and Jigsaw worked. Win-win, and everybody kept all their fingers.
@Cyber Liberty
I had the best cooking teachers you could ask for---a mother and a maternal grandmother (especially) who
could mop the floor with the best chefs in town. Some kids came home from school seeing notes on the
fridge to run to the store or what not; I sometimes came home to find a note attached to the Mixmaster
grinder asking me to make the corned beef hash we liked every so often. (I went to school earlier than
my mother went to work, so she would be a wisenheimer and hook up the attachment on its power
transfer unit and tape the note to the grinder hopper.) Or, if there was a roast in the fridge, a note would
be on the roast asking me to get it into la oven complete with suggested seasoning. So smart@$$ junior
here would go through the spices and let his nose decide what might be right that day . . . and it would
work!
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That's a good sense approach. I started having an interest in cooking in junior high, but I've never learned my way around a toolbox, really. I could start, though.
Power tools are so much fun, Catherine! And, the things you can make.
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That's a good sense approach.
My school had the same program. To this day, I still have this....
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.....and can make these.....
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Power tools are so much fun, Catherine! And, the things you can make.
@Sanguine
Like what? Seriously. I might make this a thing for the new year.
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My school had the same program. To this day, I still have this....
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.....and can make these.....
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@edpc
Oh, he's so cute, lol.
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Waitaminute...@CatherineofAragon has a no-fail sugar cookie recipe??
We're doing cookie recipes now? Alright then.
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@Sanguine
Like what? Seriously. I might make this a thing for the new year.
I'm putting shelving in my bathroom right now. Looks nice so far!
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I'm putting shelving in my bathroom right now. Looks nice so far!
Sounds exciting. What are you putting on your new shelves? Brylcreem?
(https://shop.strato.de/WebRoot/Store18/Shops/61591627/MediaGallery/Categories/Bildergalerie/pomade/Brylcreem_1940_pomade-shop.jpg)
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We're doing cookie recipes now? Alright then.
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From my mom’s old Betty Crocker book.....
Ingredients
1 1/2 cups sugar
1 cup butter or margarine, softened
2 eggs
1 3/4 cups all-purpose flour
1 cup whole wheat flour
2 teaspoons cream of tartar
1 teaspoon baking soda
1/4 teaspoon salt
1/4 cup sugar
3 teaspoons ground cinnamon
Steps
1 Heat oven to 400°F. In large bowl, beat 1 1/2 cups sugar, the butter and eggs with electric mixer on medium speed until well mixed. Stir in flours, cream of tartar, baking soda and salt.
2 In small bowl, mix 1/4 cup sugar and the cinnamon. Shape dough into 1 1/4-inch balls and roll in cinnamon-sugar mixture; place about 2 inches apart on ungreased cookie sheets.
3 Bake 8 to 10 minutes or until set. Cool 2 minutes; remove from cookie sheets.
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From my mom’s old Betty Crocker book.....
Ingredients
1 1/2 cups sugar
1 cup butter or margarine, softened
2 eggs
1 3/4 cups all-purpose flour
1 cup whole wheat flour
2 teaspoons cream of tartar
1 teaspoon baking soda
1/4 teaspoon salt
1/4 cup sugar
3 teaspoons ground cinnamon
Steps
1 Heat oven to 400°F. In large bowl, beat 1 1/2 cups sugar, the butter and eggs with electric mixer on medium speed until well mixed. Stir in flours, cream of tartar, baking soda and salt.
2 In small bowl, mix 1/4 cup sugar and the cinnamon. Shape dough into 1 1/4-inch balls and roll in cinnamon-sugar mixture; place about 2 inches apart on ungreased cookie sheets.
3 Bake 8 to 10 minutes or until set. Cool 2 minutes; remove from cookie sheets.
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My mom's was the exact same......except she added one extra ingredient....
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It's how we made it through Christmas without killing each other.
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My mom's was the exact same......except she added one extra ingredient....
(https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/joints_shutterstock-52960849.jpg)
It's how we made it through Christmas without killing each other.
I personally prefer brownies.
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You're just jealous, Frank.
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I personally prefer brownies.
Oddly enough, we called my moms cookies brownies because she used to burn them. Then we would stand around in the kitchen with the oven door open and get high on the acrid smoke.
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You're just jealous, Frank.
Of what?
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@Cyber Liberty
@bigheadfred
Sure! Pulled right out of a cookbook, lol.
I do need to go over the to the recipe thread, though. and see what's going on. I need a good no-fail gravy recipe.
@CatherineofAragon
Gravy is easy!
1 Tbsp fat
1 - 1 1/2 Tbsp flour (1 for thinner, 1 1/2 for thicker)
1 cup liquid
Season to taste
Melt fat over medium heat, add flour and whisk smooth, add liquid a little at a time and whisk thoroughly until smooth after each addition. Keep whisking after all liquid is added, add seasoning and bring gravy to boil for 1 minute. Serve.
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1 Tbsp fat
1 - 1 1/2 Tbsp flour (1 for thinner, 1 1/2 for thicker)
You will roux the day!
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You will roux the day!
The Roo is all about the roux
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The Roo is all about the roux
@RoosGirl
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMFsPGpNWPQ#)
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Gravy is easy!
YEP.
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YEP.
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****slapping
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****slapping
:silly:
Actually, I use the crap outta that stuff... More like a spice than as gravy... Next time you are doing chopped up burger, add onions and g. pepper early, and wait til the burger is browned... Dust it good with gravy mix and add a splash of water -Just enough to glaze the meat - let it be for a few minutes and then do whatever else... Adds a lot of taste to the meat... Jussayin.
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YEP.
(https://images.jet.com/md5/4e959f7402b4a5f9a4ec0b830dcd66f0.1500)
Is that a powdered gravy? Bet it would be good on popcorn.
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:silly:
Actually, I use the crap outta that stuff... More like a spice than as gravy... Next time you are doing chopped up burger, add onions and g. pepper early, and wait til the burger is browned... Dust it good with gravy mix and add a splash of water -Just enough to glaze the meat - let it be for a few minutes and then do whatever else... Adds a lot of taste to the meat... Jussayin.
Ingredients: Enriched Wheat Flour (Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamine, Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Wheat Starch, Salt, Beef Fat, Hydrolyzed Soy, Wheat and Corn Protein, Onion, Caramel Color, Corn Syrup Solids, Sodium Caseinate (Milk), Spices (Including White Pepper), Garlic, Natural Flavor, Disodium Inosinate, and Guanylate (flavor enhancers), Extractives of Paprika, and Yeast Extract.
That's a big NOPE for me.
And, pretty sure that Guanylate isn't kosher. ;P
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Is that a powdered gravy? Bet it would be good on popcorn.
Yeah... powdered gravy...
Wouldn't know about the popcorn... that's what Kraft (Macaroni and Cheese) powdered cheese is for...
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Is that a powdered gravy? Bet it would be good on popcorn.
Heathen
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Guanylate is the food of the Gods....
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Guanylate is the food of the Gods....
Isn't it derived from bats?
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Ingredients: Enriched Wheat Flour (Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamine, Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Wheat Starch, Salt, Beef Fat, Hydrolyzed Soy, Wheat and Corn Protein, Onion, Caramel Color, Corn Syrup Solids, Sodium Caseinate (Milk), Spices (Including White Pepper), Garlic, Natural Flavor, Disodium Inosinate, and Guanylate (flavor enhancers), Extractives of Paprika, and Yeast Extract.
That's a big NOPE for me.
And, pretty sure that Guanylate isn't kosher. ;P
:shrug: It's a process. I eat far less processed crap than most...
As for Guanylate... First we'd have to know what the hell it even is...
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:shrug: It's a process. I eat far less processed crap than most...
As for Guanylate... First we'd have to know what the hell it even is...
I was just teasing about the Guanylate. I have no clue what it is.
Give this a try some time:
https://smile.amazon.com/Mortons-Natures-Seasons-Seasoning-Bottle/dp/B00EGEYJ0S/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1513829529&sr=8-1&keywords=nature%27s+season
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Heathen
Never tried that, but next time I eat heathens I will sprinkle them with gravy powder.
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Never tried that, but next time I eat heathens I will sprinkle them with gravy powder.
You should look up the story about Heath Hens. You'll get a better appreciate for how bleep stupid our Congressmen have been for a long time now.
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You should look up the story about Heath Hens. You'll get a better appreciate for how bleep stupid our Congressmen have been for a long time now.
This doesn't have anything to do with damn pecans does it?
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This doesn't have anything to do with damn pecans does it?
LOL Nope.
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This doesn't have anything to do with damn pecans does it?
Here's a YouTube video if you don't want to look it up yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
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Can't anybody operate Google anymore?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disodium_guanylate
It's substitute MSG.
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Can't anybody operate Google anymore?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disodium_guanylate
It's substitute MSG.
Thanks. I knew some sucker would come along and do my homework for me. Always worked in school.
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Here's a YouTube video if you don't want to look it up yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
Just like the fat chick at the end of the bar, I'm not going to hit that. Try harder next time.
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Can't anybody operate Google anymore?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disodium_guanylate
It's substitute MSG.
Why would you want to substitute perfection?
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Thanks. I knew some sucker would come along and do my homework for me. Always worked in school.
I'm the one who said it was the food of the Gods. I thought I owed it to you.
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Why would you want to substitute perfection?
(https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/b6ca6192-d272-11e4-adab-9cd28bc0ece8-780x585.jpg)
Lawry's has sucked since they took the MSG out.
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Lawry's has sucked since they took the MSG out.
No silly. Accent. I sprinkle it in scotch it's so awesome.
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No silly. Accent. I sprinkle it in scotch it's so awesome.
Yeah, Accent is the bomb. Love MSG. It's what makes Chick-fil-A so good!
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Just like the fat chick at the end of the bar, I'm not going to hit that. Try harder next time.
But I've been making eyes at you all night, sugar.
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Yeah, Accent is the bomb. Love MSG. It's what makes Chick-fil-A so good!
Eww, maybe that's why I don't like Crap-fil-A
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Eww, maybe that's why I don't like Crap-fil-A
Get the grilled chicken. Has no MSG, or flavor, either.
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Eww, maybe that's why I don't like Crap-fil-A
From your posting history, I'm pretty sure you live on recycled cardboard and pecans. Your culinary opinions are suspect.
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But I've been making eyes at you all night, sugar.
I thought this was about gravy?
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Get the grilled chicken. Has no MSG, or flavor, either.
I like flavorful foods, something about the seasoning chikfila uses tastes sweet to me and that's what I don't like. I don't want sweet chicken.
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From your posting history, I'm pretty sure you live on recycled cardboard and pecans. Your culinary opinions are suspect.
If you wet the cardboard with a little bit of water and then roll it in the pecan pieces, the pecans will stick and you can eat them together. It's delicious.
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If you wet the cardboard with a little bit of water and then roll it in the pecan pieces, the pecans will stick and you can eat them together. It's delicious.
I've had that before. Just terrible. Usually they come around this time of year...
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Y'all have totally ruined this thread. Good job!
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Y'all have totally ruined this thread. Good job!
Does that mean it's time for more beefcake?
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Does that mean it's time for more beefcake?
Naw, save that for serious issues.
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Naw, save that for serious issues.
Hmmph
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Hmmph
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HvIjakMikKs/TrhpGU2kYMI/AAAAAAAAB8I/QTfQS_FZqc8/s1600/pouting.jpg)
Awwwww!
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I like flavorful foods, something about the seasoning chikfila uses tastes sweet to me and that's what I don't like. I don't want sweet chicken.
Good points. Seriously, if you ever get dragged to CFA, then get the grilled chicken sammich, nuggets or the wrap. Those really do taste pretty good. Grilled chicken really is about the only thing there with no MSG. I found that out reading their website menu.
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@CatherineofAragon
Gravy is easy!
1 Tbsp fat
1 - 1 1/2 Tbsp flour (1 for thinner, 1 1/2 for thicker)
1 cup liquid
Season to taste
Melt fat over medium heat, add flour and whisk smooth, add liquid a little at a time and whisk thoroughly until smooth after each addition. Keep whisking after all liquid is added, add seasoning and bring gravy to boil for 1 minute. Serve.
@RoosGirl
I’m making this tonight. Thanks, Roos!
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@RoosGirl
I’m making this tonight. Thanks, Roos!
@CatherineofAragon
I've found I have better luck when I whisk the flour (or cornstarch) into the liquid, then whisk it into the hot oil, to prevent lumping. And when they say "Season to taste," that means a crapton of black pepper (Frank would use Accent here).
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@CatherineofAragon
I've found I have better luck when I whisk the flour (or cornstarch) into the liquid, then whisk it into the hot oil, to prevent lumping. And when they say "Season to taste," that means a crapton of black pepper (Frank would use Accent here).
No! No! No! You heat the oil up then sprinkle the flour in as you stir. Brown the flour then add liquid and season to taste!
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No! No! No! You heat the oil up then sprinkle the flour in as you stir. Brown the flour then add liquid and season to taste!
Browning the flour does make for a more interesting taste, but it makes working it in a little more tricky. Depends on what the meat is.
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Browning the flour does make for a more interesting taste, but it makes working it in a little more tricky. Depends on what the meat is.
Agreed. It may not thicken properly.
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Agreed. It may not thicken properly.
Nah....I make a roux paste with unsalted butter and flour, then add the liquid slowly and whisk it, as other people had mentioned. My cooking skills are less than world class and this method has always worked for me.
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Mods. Could you please move this inane thread over to recipes or whatever.
I'm sick of seeing it on the front page.
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@CatherineofAragon
I've found I have better luck when I whisk the flour (or cornstarch) into the liquid, then whisk it into the hot oil, to prevent lumping. And when they say "Season to taste," that means a crapton of black pepper (Frank would use Accent here).
My "Season to taste" means moderate salt anf pepper and a crapton of garlic powder.
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Mods. Could you please move this inane thread over to recipes or whatever.
I'm sick of seeing it on the front page.
Can we move the inane posters there too?
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I like flavorful foods, something about the seasoning chikfila uses tastes sweet to me and that's what I don't like. I don't want sweet chicken.
@RoosGirl
(https://carlycomelately.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/tumblr_inline_mwfo0aqf261qiw26m.gif?w=289&h=198)
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Browning the flour does make for a more interesting taste, but it makes working it in a little more tricky. Depends on what the meat is.
@Cyber Liberty
So much for making it tonight; we went out with the in-laws before they go back to the beach. I'm shooting for tomorrow night, and I'm gonna brown the flour (and add lots of pepper).
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My "Season to taste" means moderate salt anf pepper and a crapton of garlic powder.
@RoosGirl
Yep, same.
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Mods. Could you please move this inane thread over to recipes or whatever.
I'm sick of seeing it on the front page.
@Emjay
I'm sick of thread nannies, but maybe that's just me.
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@Emjay
I'm sick of thread nannies, but maybe that's just me.
There is no possible way I'm gonna allow @CatherineofAragon to have the last word on this thread.
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There is no possible way I'm gonna allow @CatherineofAragon to have the last word on this thread.
And, you were thinking you would get the last word?
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There is no possible way I'm gonna allow @CatherineofAragon to have the last word on this thread.
Oh yeah?
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Word
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Word
to your mother.
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to your mother.
Ice ice baby
Too cold too cold.
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There is no possible way I'm gonna allow @CatherineofAragon to have the last word on this thread.
@corbe
I don’t blame you.
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Merry Christmas @CatherineofAragon
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Merry Christmas @CatherineofAragon
Merry Christmas @corbe!
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The very day after the election, about every gay-friendly publication put up glowing articles on Doug Jones's gay son.
The Washington Post could sniff out Roy Moore's son chasing a shot deer into a neighbor's field, but couldn't be bothered to mention this?
______________________________________
Carson Jones, Doug Jones' oldest son, becomes a sensation in the gay press after his father's upset victory over Roy Moore in Alabama U.S. Senate race
https://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2017/12/carson-jones-doug-jones-oldest-son.html
Here's the take from queerty.com. We sought comment from Doug Jones about his suddenly famous gay son, but the senator did not respond to our queries.
(https://s9.postimg.org/f1bi3tz1r/Doug_Jones_Son.jpg)
Not a fan of the liberal site quoted as source... but they did have some good insight into those conservatives that switched from funding Jeff Sessions and Richard Shelby to funding Doug Jones.
https://legalschnauzer.blogspot.com/2017/12/campaign-finance-reports-for-democrat.html
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The Washington Post could sniff out Roy Moore's son chasing a shot deer into a neighbor's field, but couldn't be bothered to mention this?
I wonder if he likes pecan pie?
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Ice ice baby
Too cold too cold.
Stop! Collaborate and listen.
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I wonder if he likes pecan pie?
Yeah, pretty sure he likes nuts :silly:
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@Emjay
I'm sick of thread nannies, but maybe that's just me.
Nanny nanny foo foo
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Nanny nanny foo foo
Bwaahaa!
Hey, speaking of which, I want you and Mrs. Fa-RAY-Ed to have a blessed Merry Christmas, OK?
:tree3: :tree3:
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Nanny nanny foo foo
@bigheadfred
You can nanny all you want and it’s okay with me.
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@bigheadfred
You can nanny all you want and it’s okay with me.
Anything Fah-RAY-Ed does is OK with me. Better than being a "ninny."
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@CatherineofAragon
How was your luck with the gravy?
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@CatherineofAragon
How was your luck with the gravy?
I'm dying to know. I don't think she got the chance to try it....
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I just finished making the sausage gravy for tomorrow morning. Followed my ratios and it turned out perfect.
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I just finished making the sausage gravy for tomorrow morning. Followed my ratios and it turned out perfect.
You need gravy for pizza?
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You need gravy for pizza?
No. It's a Southron thing, you wouldn't understand.
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No. It's a Southron thing, you wouldn't understand.
If I dated my sister would it make sense?
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If I dated my sister would it make sense?
Give it a try and let me know.
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Give it a try and let me know.
I can't. She is engaged to my dad.
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I can't. She is engaged to my dad.
I bet a little thing like an engagement wouldn't stop a fellow such as yourself.
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@CatherineofAragon
How was your luck with the gravy?
@RoosGirl
@Cyber Liberty
Making it tomorrow! I’ll let you know how it turns out. If I can’t pull it off, I don’t deserve gravy.
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@RoosGirl
@Cyber Liberty
Making it tomorrow! I’ll let you know how it turns out. If I can’t pull it off, I don’t deserve gravy.
Truth.
If you run into trouble with lumps just get your immersion blender out if you have one. If not, pour it through a strainer before you serve it. :)
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Truth.
If you run into trouble with lumps just get your immersion blender out if you have one. If not, pour it through a strainer before you serve it. :)
Lumps? Come on people.
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Truth.
If you run into trouble with lumps just get your immersion blender out if you have one. If not, pour it through a strainer before you serve it. :)
Ayup! Half the talent of a good cook is how to rescue boo-boos. I used to think I didn't need an immersion blender, but now I can't do without it.
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I just finished making the sausage gravy for tomorrow morning. Followed my ratios and it turned out perfect.
That is impossible.
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Lumps? Come on people.
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Yuck. I'd rather save the shelf space for my immersion blender.
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That is impossible.
Oh, it's possible with these new-fangled things we have called "Microwaves," but I'm with you, I'd rather make ii the morning of. I cut Roos some slack, it's Christmas morning and she has a toddler.
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Oh, it's possible with these new-fangled things we have called "Microwaves," but I'm with you, I'd rather make ii the morning of. I cut Roos some slack, it's Christmas morning and she has a toddler.
Oh no... You don't understand me... Sausage gravy won't make it much past it's manufacture around here. Guaranteed availability beyond its point of manufacture is certainly measured in minutes.
And I have to eat it all, or risk giving it to my dog, whose weight is becoming problematic. So I must, of a necessity bear the burden for him. It_is_my_duty.
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Oh no... You don't understand me... Sausage gravy won't make it much past it's manufacture around here. Guaranteed availability beyond its point of manufacture is certainly measured in minutes.
I could have used that this morning. Had disappointing gravy this morning at a local restaurant that tasted like melted Crisco.
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That is impossible.
Tastes more better the next day.
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I could have used that this morning. Had disappointing gravy this morning at a local restaurant that tasted like melted Crisco.
It's not that hard to make yourself. I've never found sausage gravy out that was any good.
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Yuck. I'd rather save the shelf space for my immersion blender.
I am thankful this Christmas season that I do not have to eat at Frank's house.
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I could have used that this morning. Had disappointing gravy this morning at a local restaurant that tasted like melted Crisco.
Mine was spicey burger and red eye gravy this morning, but made with beef stock... I kinda make an oinion gravy first , add the beef stock and coffee, and boil her down a bit before I throw in the flour to tighten it up... Taters w/ gravy and eggs on top. guuud eats.
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I've never found sausage gravy out that was any good.
Yeah - this stuff was poor. Fortunately, it was only a small part of a breakfast sampler platter that was very good, otherwise.
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Oh no... You don't understand me... Sausage gravy won't make it much past it's manufacture around here. Guaranteed availability beyond its point of manufacture is certainly measured in minutes.
And I have to eat it all, or risk giving it to my dog, whose weight is becoming problematic. So I must, of a necessity bear the burden for him. It_is_my_duty.
Sometimes you gotta take one for the team, @roamer_1.
Fortunately, it's just Mrs. Liberty and me, and we have one simple Christmas tradition, since one of us or both are usually down with something. I get out of bed, reach into our drawer of Casino Cash, grab a $500 bundle and hand it to Mrs. Liberty, saying "Merry Christmas Baby!" She hands it back and says "Merry Christmas to you too, Baby!" and I put the money back in the drawer. Then we tell everybody Sure, we exchanged gifts! We exchanged $1,000 worth.
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We're vegetarians that eat fish, which I'm finding out hipsters have dubbed piscatarian. Any hoo, it's seafood paella for dinner tomorrow. I splurged on sea roach that are calmly napping in the downstairs fridge as I type. When I have a rare meat day I try to make it something out of the ordinary. My next one will be chorizo gravy with cheddar and chive biscuits served for dinner.
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We're vegetarians that eat fish, which I'm finding out hipsters have dubbed piscatarian. Any hoo, it's seafood paella for dinner tomorrow. I splurged on sea roach that are calmly napping in the downstairs fridge as I type. When I have a rare meat day I try to make it something out of the ordinary. My next one will be chorizo gravy with cheddar and chive biscuits served for dinner.
We're really bad vegans fixing to gorge ourselves on ham.
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We're really bad vegans fixing to gorge ourselves on ham.
:silly: :silly: :silly:
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Sometimes you gotta take one for the team, @roamer_1.
YEP. Sausage gravy must be eliminated from the world... And I am more than doing my part :)
Fortunately, it's just Mrs. Liberty and me, and we have one simple Christmas tradition, since one of us or both are usually down with something. I get out of bed, reach into our drawer of Casino Cash, grab a $500 bundle and hand it to Mrs. Liberty, saying "Merry Christmas Baby!" She hands it back and says "Merry Christmas to you too, Baby!" and I put the money back in the drawer. Then we tell everybody Sure, we exchanged gifts! We exchanged $1,000 worth.
That's a good way.
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We're vegetarians that eat fish, which I'm finding out hipsters have dubbed piscatarian. Any hoo, it's seafood paella for dinner tomorrow. I splurged on sea roach that are calmly napping in the downstairs fridge as I type. When I have a rare meat day I try to make it something out of the ordinary. My next one will be chorizo gravy with cheddar and chive biscuits served for dinner.
I'm pretty sure it's "pescatarian", as in pesce or fish in Italian. Not sure what a piscatarian is, but I wouldn't eat dinner at their house if I were you. And seriously, wtf is a "sea roach"?
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I'm pretty sure it's "pescatarian", as in pesce or fish in Italian. Not sure what a piscatarian is, but I wouldn't eat dinner at their house if I were you. And seriously, wtf is a "sea roach"?
Sounds like something w/o backbone. Shrimp or lobster maybe?
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PETA calls fish "Sea Kittens." But they're all insane.
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We're vegetarians that eat fish, which I'm finding out hipsters have dubbed piscatarian. Any hoo, it's seafood paella for dinner tomorrow. I splurged on sea roach that are calmly napping in the downstairs fridge as I type. When I have a rare meat day I try to make it something out of the ordinary. My next one will be chorizo gravy with cheddar and chive biscuits served for dinner.
My Italian friend in Jersey always makes the seven fishes dinner on Christmas Eve. Omg, sea roach...I just....
@goodwithagun
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I'm pretty sure it's "pescatarian", as in pesce or fish in Italian. Not sure what a piscatarian is, but I wouldn't eat dinner at their house if I were you. And seriously, wtf is a "sea roach"?
@RoosGirl
I know what it is. I love fish, but seafood....not so much. I can eat a few sea roaches with cocktail sauce, but that time might be coming to an end...that phrase is going to stick in my head.
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I know what it is. I love fish, but seafood....not so much. I can eat a few sea roaches with cocktail sauce, but that time might be coming to an end...that phrase is going to stick in my head.
Seafood is the only thing I miss about living in Maryland. Landlocked hybrid striped bass here in the Midwest don't have the same flavor as real ones from the Chesapeake.
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Seafood is the only thing I miss about living in Maryland. Landlocked hybrid striped bass here in the Midwest don't have the same flavor as real ones from the Chesapeake.
@edpc
Oh, man, fresh fish from the eastern shore is fantastic.
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OMG. Is this the sea roach you're talking about eating??
(http://www.wildlifeinsight.com/wp-content/gallery/gb_truebugs/seaslater_4265.jpg)
I think I"m gonna puke.
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Oh, man, fresh fish from the eastern shore is fantastic.
Rockfish stuffed with crab imperial at Fager's Island in Ocean City was one of the best meals I've ever had.
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@RoosGirl
Did someone say Rock Lobster?
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OMG. Is this the sea roach you're talking about eating??
(http://www.wildlifeinsight.com/wp-content/gallery/gb_truebugs/seaslater_4265.jpg)
I think I"m gonna puke.
LOL. I'm betting it's Shrimp. Lobsters have been called that too. It has more to do with their breeding habits than appearance. "Breed like roaches" would be the expression. That's life at the very bottom of the ocean, and food chain. (Krill)
That nasty thing looks like a descendant of Trilobites.
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That nasty thing looks like a descendant of Trilobites.
I used to get a kick out of people at the beach discovering the horseshoe crab for the first time.
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@RoosGirl
Did someone say Rock Lobster?
I can handle that!
(https://imsdm.scene7.com/is/image/imsdm/tflobster20141215?wid=300&fmt=jpeg&qlt=100,0)
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I used to get a kick out of people at the beach discovering the horseshoe crab for the first time.
They are ugly little critters, aren't they?
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I'm pretty sure it's "pescatarian", as in pesce or fish in Italian. Not sure what a piscatarian is, but I wouldn't eat dinner at their house if I were you. And seriously, wtf is a "sea roach"?
A piscatarian is a cannibal who only eats people born between February 19 and March 20.
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I'm pretty sure it's "pescatarian", as in pesce or fish in Italian. Not sure what a piscatarian is, but I wouldn't eat dinner at their house if I were you. And seriously, wtf is a "sea roach"?
Yes the autocorrect on my old iPad is sketchy. It is pescatarian. As for sea roach, I was typing with @Frank Cannon in mind: it's lobster.
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My Italian friend in Jersey always makes the seven fishes dinner on Christmas Eve. Omg, sea roach...I just....
@goodwithagun
We have a large Italian population here and tonight is the seven fishes dinner for them.
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Yes the autocorrect on my old iPad is sketchy. It is pescatarian. As for sea roach, I was typing with @Frank Cannon in mind: it's lobster.
@goodwithagun
Oh, okay, I was thinking it was shrimp. Neal Boortz refers to them as....well, never mind, lol.
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@goodwithagun
Oh, okay, I was thinking it was shrimp. Neal Boortz refers to them as....well, never mind, lol.
Mudbugs
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Rockfish stuffed with crab imperial at Fager's Island in Ocean City was one of the best meals I've ever had.
@edpc
Omg. It's one of the best meals I've never had, I'm willing to bet.
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Yes the autocorrect on my old iPad is sketchy. It is pescatarian. As for sea roach, I was typing with @Frank Cannon in mind: it's lobster.
Oh good, lobster. I'm so happy for you now!
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Oh good, lobster. I'm so happy for you now!
The kids kept peeking in the fridge all day. I had to relocate our elf Pete to the fridge to get them to knock it off.
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They are ugly little critters, aren't they?
Yeah. Even more fun when they come ashore with lovin' on their minds. Like stacks of hard hats...
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The kids kept peeking in the fridge all day. I had to relocate our elf Pete to the fridge to get them to knock it off.
Hah, funny! We don't do elf on the shelf. I would probably forget to move him like you're supposed to. Or do something like this...
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/elf-on-the-shelf-funny-3.jpg)
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They are ugly little critters, aren't they?
They're the inspiration for the spaceships the creepy little Ferengi flew around in Star Trek TNG.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/timelordsfleet/images/3/3e/Ferengi_D%60Kora_classs.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110914192049)