Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election

[DiogenesLamp]

Sad part is, it's already happening, literally the very next day.

The piranhas taste blood in the water.   Of course they are going to try to go into a feeding frenzy. 


 

[Cyber Liberty]

He actually had the noive to oppose commies (gasp!).  They had to try to take him down for that.  Had to.

They thought they successfully torpedoed the effort...then the USSR unexpectedly collapsed.  LOL.

[Silver Pines]

LOL!   I can't wait to see that poll! 

Have no clue how to create one tho.

@Xena Lee

You might like it.  I made a promise earlier and I’m gonna keep it.

[Smokin Joe]

Fourteenth Amendment.  I'll say it slowly - F-O-U-R-T-E-E-N-T-H Amendment.   

I'll try. TENTH AMENDMENT

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Here are the reserved powers: https://www.congress.gov/content/conan/pdf/GPO-CONAN-REV-2016-10-11.pdf

Marriage isn't there. The regulation of marriage isn't there. It is a power the Federal Government does not lawfully possess under the Constitution.
The Power to regulate Marriage is reserved to the States and the People, and in Alabama BOTH spoke in the adoption of a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman, said Amendment approved by 81% of the electorate.

Claim what you will but the Court is wrong. I'll say that slowly W-R-O-N-G.

[DiogenesLamp]

No, people from both parties were just calling him a misogynistic, libertine, Russian-colluding whoremaster.

No they didn't,  but even had they done so,   It's still a far cry from calling him a child molester and a rapist.   


Trump wouldn't have survived that.   

[Cyber Liberty]

@Xena Lee

You might like it.  I made a promise earlier and I’m gonna keep it.

I'd like to see it too.  I've never made one, but @corbe does all the time.  Ping us when you get it up there?

[Smokin Joe]

The election really wasn't bought with money.   It was bought with accusations.   


And New York/Washington Propaganda power.

PRECISELY!

[DiogenesLamp]

True, come to think of it.   The RINOe set the stage on this defeat as much as the Soros Democrats did.  Good point.

Seriously and sadly... this will only result in yet more voters staying home next year rather than vote GOP.

I predicted up thread that this betrayal may very well come back to bite them in the butt.    I have lost all respect for Flake, Shelby and I have lost a lot of respect for Cruz.   

I had no further respect for McConnell or McCain to lose.   

[Bigun]

I don't think Goebbels pioneered the concept of simply repeating ad infinitum,   but he certainly exploited it,   as have you. 

No,  the accusations were not credible.   They do in fact contradict each other,   and have been found to be incorrect or problematic about important details.   


But you keep repeating your assertion that they were "credible."    We wouldn't want you to miss any sleep at night.

@DiogenesLamp

Gobbels learned the craft from the master. One Edward Bernays.

http://www.criticalthink.info/webindex/bernays.htm

[Hoodat]

Good grief, you people sound like a bunch of Hillary apologists.  Hillary and Moore lost for the exact same reason.  They were pathetic lazy candidates who thought the seat would be handed to them.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon

George only told you it was a new rule to get on your good side.  True.   

@Cyber Liberty

I’m just using George.  It’s a good paycheck.

[DiogenesLamp]

It's all about style nowadays.  He probably could have pulled off a win if he had gotten out there and convinced voters that he was innocent and in charge. 

How do you do that?   Virtually every day I would see "Good Morning America"  mention "8 women have accused Moore of Sexual impropriety,  including attempted rape and molestation of an underaged girl."   


ABC has a hundred billion dollar propaganda machine.   What could have reached as deep into people's minds as that?   

Most of the people on this site exempted, that's how voters pick candidates today.  By their style.  Remember all the "which candidate would you prefer to go have a beer with?" questions.

He had a tough row to hoe, no question, but he could have put up a better "style" fight.

His "style"  was fine prior to the accusations.   Why did it become inadequate after the accusations?   Could it be the accusations and the Republican's reaction to them  (Deliberately solicited and in a manner to deliberately put them on the spot by the "media")   had an effect on the voters?   

Hannity's sponsors threatened to drop him for not instantaneously accepting all the accusations against Moore as valid.   

How do you fight such power without similar tools possessed by such power? 

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

I’m just using George.  It’s a good paycheck.

@CatherineofAragon

Hey, it all spends the same when it's time to pay the mortgage.  Don't let him start paying you in bitcoin, that chit's gonna crash...

[DiogenesLamp]

The only point I'd disagree on is that it was limited to the left.   I think the GOP was in on it as well

It is clear the party apparatus did not want this man.   They were all too eager to embrace any excuse to destroy his candidacy,  and all too reluctant to restore any support they had previously withdrawn. 

[XenaLee]

I'd like to see it too.  I've never made one, but @corbe does all the time.  Ping us when you get it up there?

Disclaimer:  I really hate it when there's no "None of the above" option....

[Bigun]

It is clear the party apparatus did not want this man.   They were all too eager to embrace any excuse to destroy his candidacy,  and all too reluctant to restore any support they had previously withdrawn.

@DiogenesLamp

Mitch McConnell made it perfectly clear to me that WE were no longer going to be allowed to pick our own candidates LONG ago!  Shortly after Ted Cruz was seated in the US. Senate IIRC.

[DiogenesLamp]

No.  It's over.  A recount would be a waste of time, energy and money, IMO.

The voters had their chance.  They were swayed by public opinion and unproven allegations.  They have to deal with and live with that reality now.

I believe there may very well be examples of fraud throughout the ballots.   I believe there were probably thousands of ineligible voters who voted in these elections,   and I see no harm in pursuing it.   


There is no further risk to going forward with it,   and the potential win makes it worth attempting.   


Nothing to lose. 

[dfwgator]

Disclaimer:  I really hate it when there's no "None of the above" option....

What about "Not Sure"

[edpc]

No they didn't

Sure they did.  I neglected to include bigoted, jingoistic, racist in the accusations, as well.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/where-republicans-stand-on-donald-trump-a-cheat-sheet/481449/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/07/politics/donald-trump-republicans-endorsement/index.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-praise-russia-iran-assad-criticism-229546

[XenaLee]

I predicted up thread that this betrayal may very well come back to bite them in the butt.    I have lost all respect for Flake, Shelby and I have lost a lot of respect for Cruz.   

I had no further respect for McConnell or McCain to lose.

Cruz is between a rock & a hard place though.  What else can he do?  He has already seen what bucking the system and the establishment gets you.  All he can do is stick it out and try to make small steps in the right direction.  Right?

[XenaLee]

What about "Not Sure"

That would work too.  As long as there's another option besides the ones that never seem to fit MY (contrarian?) opinion...heh.

[DiogenesLamp]

Standard pattern: Initial allegation. Didn't take? Double down. Then hit with the dribbled in add-ons, paced to keep the original allegations in the news and phrased to allow the talking heads and newsreaders to use plurals and words like "multiple" and make things seem even worse than they seemed before. As the refutations come out, ignore those in the media and double down again (this ain't blackjack, you can keep going with that). Keep repeating the story over and over, use the same buzzwords across the dial and hammer the big lie home. If all else fails find a write in candidate to split the vote and ensure the win.

And i'm pretty sure that the three named witnesses that came forward to claim that they never saw Roy Moore in "the old Hickory House"  in 1977,   were never put on the air.   The very fact that there were such people refuting the claim was never put on the air. 


The media-weapon does most of it's damage by omission.   

[Silver Pines]

I'd like to see it too.  I've never made one, but @corbe does all the time.  Ping us when you get it up there?

@Cyber Liberty

I will.  I see @Freya made one too, but I don't think she's on right now.

[XenaLee]

I believe there may very well be examples of fraud throughout the ballots.   I believe there were probably thousands of ineligible voters who voted in these elections,   and I see no harm in pursuing it.   


There is no further risk to going forward with it,   and the potential win makes it worth attempting.   


Nothing to lose.

Some would say that it's a rather Al Goreish (or Al Frankenish?) leftie tactic to demand a recount.  I think Moore should accept the defeat gracefully and move the hell on.  It really is.... OVAH.  He should have fought back with more vehemence, perhaps?  Been more convincing?  All water under the troll bridge now.

[Bigun]

And i'm pretty sure that the three named witnesses that came forward to claim that they never saw Roy Moore in "the old Hickory House"  in 1977,   were never put on the air.   The very fact that there were such people refuting the claim was never put on the air. 


The media-weapon does most of it's damage by omission.

Even if it is the accused himself refuting the claim!  I happen to have some personal experience with that!