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General Category => World News => Topic started by: TomSea on June 03, 2017, 10:08:25 pm
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'Van hits pedestrians' on London Bridge in 'major incident'
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Police are responding to reports that a van has hit a number of pedestrians on London Bridge in central London.
Witnesses have said that armed officers are understood to be at the scene after a white transit van mounted the pavement before driving into people.
The Met Police say they are dealing with an incident on the bridge and "multiple resources" are in attendance.
Continued: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40146916
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Another one?
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Teddy Bear and Flower vendors are making a fortune.
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Well, their Muzzie mayor says, it's “part and parcel of living in a big city”. And they elected the dope.
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BREAKING NEWS: Fears of new terror attack after a white van 'mows down 20 people' on London Bridge amid unconfirmed reports of gunfire and stabbing
There have been unconfirmed reports of at least seven victims being stabbed
Witnesses said a white van veered off the road on London Bridge and hit people
Witness said she saw three people with what appeared to be their throats cut
Armed police and bomb squad are at the scene and boats are searching Thames
Did you see what happened? Email charlie.moore@mailonline.co.uk or call 0203 615 3875
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4569638/Car-ploughs-20-people-London-Bridge.html#ixzz4iyot5fnb
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And stabbing too, sheesh, if they are slashing throats.....
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@EC
What hear you of this?
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London has so many non-English now, I understand, that after Paris, it has the most French people of any city, so it's not just the Pakistanis etc. who have moved in.
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Oh boy not again.....
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One witness said she saw three people with what appeared to be their throats cut on London Bridge.
Others said they saw three men, described as being 'of Mediterranean origin', jump out of the van and began 'randomly stabbing people' along Borough High Street with 12-inch long knives.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4569638/Car-ploughs-20-people-London-Bridge.html#ixzz4iyqKOY1R
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Sun coverage: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3717339/london-bridge-attack-car-police-response-latest/
So, this sounds beyond your usual 'lone wolf' at this point......
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Will Katy Perry tweet for open borders again?
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Oh boy.
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Fox reporting 2 separate attacks
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Greg Pollowitz Retweeted
Fox NewsVerified account @FoxNews 8m8 minutes ago
.@EricShawnTV: British media reports 3 men jumped out of white van that plowed into people, started randomly stabbing pedestrians.
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ITV NewsVerified account @itvnews 3m3 minutes ago
Police also responding to incident at Borough Market #LondonBridge http://www.itv.com/news/update/2017-06-03/police-respond-to-incident-at-borough-market/ …
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NBC Nightly NewsVerified account @NBCNightlyNews 2m2 minutes ago
Downing Street says PM May is in contact with officials and is being updated on London Bridge incident, AP reports.
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Sky News NewsdeskVerified account @SkyNewsBreak 56m56 minutes ago
Transport for London says London Bridge Station has been closed at the request of the police
36 replies 1,028 retweets 385 likes
2 more replies
Sky News NewsdeskVerified account @SkyNewsBreak 5m5 minutes ago
Replying to @SkyNewsBreak
Scotland Yard says armed police are dealing with a second incident at Borough Market in London
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Sky News NewsdeskVerified account @SkyNewsBreak 3m3 minutes ago
Sky Sources: The incident at London Bridge is believed to be terrorism
12 replies 115 retweets 19 likes
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That's what I heard, something like 2 different incidences. Does that mean the guys with knives and the van; or is something going on somewhere else? Okay, I just read the above post, Borough Market. Okay.
I was reading at that liberal slanted middle east eye and they were saying "well, it didn't help to jail all of the suspected IRA terrorists back in the day". They certainly have to do something soon.
Prayers and thoughts for all of those affected.
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https://twitter.com/RouserNews/status/871126671927193601?s=09
BREAKING NEW VIDEO: several London police officers enter bar at London Bridge telling people to get down.
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Ben Leo @benleo89 1h1 hour ago
Horrific scene at London Bridge... bodies strewn over the pavement. B&Q van mounted the pavement. I feel sick
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Ohhh... Dear God.
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London has so many non-English now, I understand, that after Paris, it has the most French people of any city, so it's not just the Pakistanis etc. who have moved in.
The guys with the knives were probably just Frogs yelling "Allez a la Ka-Bar."
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Libertarian-In-ChiefVerified account @ToddHagopian 2m2 minutes ago
12 dead, 50 injured...
People playing politics while the blood still covers the pavement of a beautiful city
Just sickening
#LONDONBRIDGE
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They're getting closer to seeing their worst nightmare.
A backlash.
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Will Katy Perry tweet for open borders again?
I've heard that she is frequently more wide open than our borders.
No matter.
Prayers for the victims, and let us hope that sanity begins to return to European governments before it is too late.
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Israel News Feed @IsraelHatzolah 8m8 minutes ago
Replying to @IsraelHatzolah
JUST IN: Police responding after two men entered a restaurant near London Bridge and stabbed two people inside.
3 replies 49 retweets 15 likes
Israel News Feed @IsraelHatzolah 3m3 minutes ago
LONDON ONGOING TERROR ATTACKS:
- London bridge
- Ramming + stabbing
- 15 wounded
- Borough Market stabbing
- 2 wounded
- Ongoing shooting.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3717339/london-bridge-attack-car-police-response-latest/
PANIC AT LONDON BRIDGE London Bridge incident: Terror attack fears as van ploughs into up to 20 pedestrians including a police officer ‘with more stabbed’ as shots fired and wounded treated in street
Eye witnesses report that victims were receiving CPR after being 'stabbed'
By Mark Hodge and Neal Baker
3rd June 2017, 10:25 pm
Updated: 3rd June 2017, 11:17 pm
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I've heard that she is frequently more wide open than our borders.
No matter.
Prayers for the victims, and let us hope that sanity begins to return to European governments before it is too late.
I'm afraid it's too late for Western Europe. Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary still have a fighting chance.
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Time for mandatory conceal carry, with training certificates.
Even the odds a bit.
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https://twitter.com/RouserNews/status/871126671927193601?s=09
BREAKING NEW VIDEO: several London police officers enter bar at London Bridge telling people to get down.
Katzenjammers, I think..
:pondering:
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@EC
Are you ok?
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How could they not be ready for something like this??
No excuse.
Are the police even armed at London Bridge?
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Prediction: many Brits will be crowing loudly tomorrow, proud the body count is kept low because of knives instead of guns.
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Prediction: many Brits will be crowing loudly tomorrow, proud the body count is kept low because of knives instead of guns.
I doubt that, @Suppressed
They need to arm the typical policeman for chrissakes.
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"I tried to warn you, but did you listen? No."
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Prediction: many Brits will be crowing loudly tomorrow, proud the body count is kept low because of knives instead of guns.
It sounds like guns "could" be involved from what we are hearing, lots of gunfire.
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Time for mandatory conceal carry, with training certificates.
Even the odds a bit.
There is a reason why those bastards would not try such a thing in most of America. I do worry about places like NYC, Washington. D.C., and well, the whole state of California. Many of the rest of us don't often leave the house without a pistol these days (me, especially). Europe is sleeping, but some of America is in a daydream. I fear what it will take for people to finally wake the hell up.
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Breaking News @BreakingNLive 7m7 minutes ago
Replying to @BreakingNLive
MORE: At least three armed terrorists on the run in London.
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This is going to play havoc with the upcoming election.
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How could they not be ready for something like this??
No excuse.
Are the police even armed at London Bridge?
With their mayor in charge? He's more afraid of the police profiling Muslims.
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This really has ISIS written all over it.
One report about 10 days ago had 3500 jihadists in the UK, now though, I heard someone else say, they probably have 12,500, something along those lines.
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Ny God...I hope everyone is watching Fox...WTH!
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It sounds like a policeman was right there as this incident kicked off; not sure how he/she is doing. So, even if you get the law out there, it's hard to prevent something like this.
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3 incidences - Fox...
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DanRiehl @DanRiehl 4m4 minutes ago
One witness told Reuters that she saw what appeared to be three people with knife wounds and possibly their throats cut.
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First I'd heard of it. Had the news and my news feeds off all day.
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Vauxhall, 3rd incident.
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Sky NewsVerified account @SkyNews 4m4 minutes ago
The Met Police says it has responded to three separate incidents at London Bridge, Borough Market and Vauxhall
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London Bridge
Borough Market....1/3 mile away, could have preceded.
Vaux Hall, near MI6 is a 3rd incident.
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This is going to play havoc with the upcoming election.
Yeah, the Tories have been doing their best these past few days to hand things over, but this night actually help them.
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Yeah, the Tories have been doing their best these past few days to hand things over, but this night actually help them.
Not that they deserve it.
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Just now hearing about this via text.
Who do they think did this? Presbyterians? Catholics? Old white guys? Jews? Dang, I hope nobody jumps to unfair conclusions. Do you suppose Trump is behind it to take scrutiny off of him?
< /s > <--(for those who need it)
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How could they not be ready for something like this??
No excuse.
Are the police even armed at London Bridge?
Well yeah, sure....afterwards.
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SavageNation @SavageNation 2m2 minutes ago
jihadwatchRS: RT PamelaGeller: Just move the teddy bears,candles & balloons from Manchester to London Bridge, Borough market & Vauxhall.
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CNN InternationalVerified account @cnni 7m7 minutes ago
Photos show people taking cover in a London restaurant after witnesses say a man entered and stabbed two people http://cnn.it/2rEb8Ib
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Vauxhall and I. Has anyone questioned Stephen Patrick Morrissey?
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This should tank any hopes Corbyn had for replacing PM May at 10 Downing.
Hopefully this will also squelch the recent talk of cutting Britain's military to between 65 - 70k.
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Ready for pre-emptive actions, yet?
Round up the 3,500 suspected jihadis, for instance?
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Heather NauertVerified account @statedeptspox 15m15 minutes ago
US is monitoring incidents in #London US citizens should follow guidance from local authorities & maintain security awareness @StateDept
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Timing on this was planned too IMO. You have to pay a congestion tax M-F if you drive your car, lorry or whatever into the city. There is no tax on the weekends hence one less way to track who is behind the attack.
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Live | London terror attack: London Bridge, Borough Market and Vauxhall latest - at least two dead amid van attack, stabbings and gunfire
The Sun/UK, Jun 3, 2017
A series of co-ordinated terror attacks have hit London in three different areas, with reports of dozens of casualties from stabbings and pedestrians mown down by a vehicle.
The London Bridge area was in lockdown after witnesses said 20 people were run down by a van and pedestrians were attacked with knives at 10.08pm.
There were also multiple reports of rapid gunfire in what one witness described as “Westminster all over again”.
Within minutes there were reports of a second incident at Borough Market on the south bank of the Thames. One cab driver said three men ran towards the market stabbing people - including a young girl - as they ran.
Then, shortly before midnight police said they were attending a third incident in the Vauxhall area.
Police entered bars and restaurants in the Southwark area around 11pm and told customers to get down on the floor amid reports that the incident was still ongoing. People outdoors were told by yelling police officers to run from the area as the atmosphere turned to one of “hysteria”.
British Transport Police said they were aware of reports of “multiple” casualties.
The Prime Minister was being kept informed of developments and Whitehall sources told The Sunday Telegraph last night that the incident “appeared to be” terror-related.
It came less than a fortnight after the Manchester suicide bombing and just three months after a terrorist ploughed into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge before stabbing a policeman to death at Parliament.
Holly Jones, a BBC reporter at London Bridge when the first incident happened, said a van had swerved off the road into a crowd of pedestrians.
"A white van driver came speeding - probably about 50mph - veered of the road into the crowds of people who were walking along the pavement," she told BBC News.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/03/london-bridge-incident-armed-police-respond-several-people-mown/
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I saw one comment that May helped bring these people in But... the Tories should likely do well still (and benefit?). I don't want to say anything in poor taste.
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Geller and Savage were the ones banned in the UK. Correct, so those were interesting tweets, not that this is the time to act haughty at least for myself.
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The Tories will take heat for this, though...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/03/met-police-chief-bernard-hogan-howe-policing-numbers-london
Met police chief says cuts will lead to fewer officers in London
Outgoing commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe tells LBC radio that government’s austerity programme is to blame
Met chief Bernard Hogan-Howe: ‘you can’t throw laptops at crowds’
Britain’s most senior police officer has criticised the government’s austerity programme for forcing a cut in police numbers at a time when he says more officers are needed.
In a parting shot at ministers before he retires as Metropolitan police commissioner at the end of the month, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe questions the wisdom of police budget cuts.
“The bottom line is there will be less cops,” he told LBC radio in an interview to be broadcast next week to mark his retirement. He said: “There is only so much you can cut and make efficiencies and then you’ve got to have less police and I’m not sure that’s wise in this city.”
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Hogan-Howe has become increasingly vocal about the squeeze on police resources as he nears retirement. Last month he said “warning lights are flashing” after official figures confirmed a rise in murder and knife crime.
At the time he said: “The mayor of London [Sadiq Khan] said this week that inadequate funding will make it ‘near impossible to maintain the number of police on our streets’. He’s worried. I’m worried.”
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<Vauxhall>
Metropolitan Police ✔ @metpoliceuk
The incident at #Vauxhall is a stabbing and is not connect to the incidents at #LondonBridge & #BoroughMarket
7:51 PM - 3 Jun 2017
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Metropolitan Police ✔ @metpoliceuk
At 0025hrs 4/6/17 the incidents at #LondonBridge & #BoroughMarket were declared as terrorist incidents.
7:50 PM - 3 Jun 2017
- Police confirm there is more than one fatality
- Reports suggest there is more than one incident
- First, a white van hits pedestrians at London Bridge at about 22:15
- A short time later there are reports of men carrying knives at Borough Market. Armed officers responded and shots were fired
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3717339/london-bridge-attack-car-police-response-latest/
Sun reporting a bit more than the more mainstream sources going from what the Government is stating. So, make one's own judgements.
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I saw one comment that May helped bring these people in But... the Tories should likely do well still (and benefit?). I don't want to say anything in poor taste.
It wouldn't surprise me if they elected Corbyn to halt Brexit and open the floodgates to more islammigration. Peter Hitchens thinks the country is doomed, and it's tough to argue with him. The whole chain of events leading up to this is beyond absurd.
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Just now hearing about this via text.
Who do they think did this? Presbyterians? Catholics? Old white guys? Jews? Dang, I hope nobody jumps to unfair conclusions. Do you suppose Trump is behind it to take scrutiny off of him?
< /s > <--(for those who need it)
Probably the Scots who are still miffed about the Brexit vote.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they elected Corbyn to halt Brexit and open the floodgates to more islammigration. Peter Hitchens thinks the country is doomed, and it's tough to argue with him. The whole chain of events leading up to this is beyond absurd.
Agreed.
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Breaking News @NewsOnTheMin 9m9 minutes ago
#Breaking 2 Attackers have been shot dead by armed police in Central London
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Just learning of this while having dinner with the wife on our way back from the Gun range. Where we all need to spend more time, because this horror is coming here.
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The London police are now saying that the Vauxhall incident isn't connected to the other two.
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London Mayor Sadiq Khan describes bridge area incidents as "deliberate and cowardly attack on innocent Londoners."
Hmmm...but not terrorism? Curious
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Just learning of this while having dinner with the wife on our way back from the Gun range. Where we all need to spend more time, because this horror is coming here.
Me and the missus just bought our family membership at the gun range on post today. Looks like we're gonna need it.
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What will really be needed is good situational awareness and the ability to avoid being hit, more so than carrying a weapon. How many people would have enough situational awareness to realize a car or truck had suddenly turned into a weapon aimed at them in to avoid being hit?
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Pretty much says it all right there... **nononono*
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London Mayor Sadiq Khan describes bridge area incidents as "deliberate and cowardly attack on innocent Londoners."
Hmmm...but not terrorism? Curious
The Mayor is a nutjob.
According to BBC @Wingnut ... the "incidents" at London Bridge and Borough Market are terrorism; and three hospitals are on safety lockdown.
More, from The Guardian here: "London attacks: incidents at London Bridge and Borough Market confirmed as terrorism – live updates" https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/03/london-bridge-closed-after-serious-police-incident-live
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Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
Whatever the United States can do to help out in London and the U. K., we will be there - WE ARE WITH YOU. GOD BLESS!
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Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
We need to be smart, vigilant and tough. We need the courts to give us back our rights. We need the Travel Ban as an extra level of safety!
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Jihadi terrorists shouting 'this is for Allah' kill seven in knife frenzy at 'FIVE' locations in the capital: Hunt for men with 12in blades who began the rampage by mowing down revellers on London Bridge
Daily Mail, Jun, 3, 2017
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html
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Witness says saw people who appeared to have throats cut on London Bridge
Yahoo News, Jun 3, 2017, Reuters
LONDON (Reuters) - A person who was on London Bridge after an incident on Saturday told a Reuters reporter that she saw three people who appeared to have their throats cut.
The London ambulance service said it was responding to the incident.
Reuters was unable to immediately verify the statement by the witness.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/witness-says-saw-people-appeared-throats-cut-london-220906559.html
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@TomSea This is a response from Reza Aslan, Iranian-born religious scholar and host on CNN:
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What will really be needed is good situational awareness and the ability to avoid being hit, more so than carrying a weapon. How many people would have enough situational awareness to realize a car or truck had suddenly turned into a weapon aimed at them in to avoid being hit?
The problem comes from not being able to determine intent. Is it a jihadi trying to run over as many people as possible or a little old lady who stepped on the wrong pedal and panicked?
Bust caps in the old lady and you are the monster. Get out of the way, draw, track the target, and if/when they get out, decide. Fire if they have anything in their hands that looks like a weapon.
Remember that you will have to justify the shoot, regardless of the mayhem, or you could be the one facing charges.
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What will really be needed is good situational awareness and the ability to avoid being hit, more so than carrying a weapon. How many people would have enough situational awareness to realize a car or truck had suddenly turned into a weapon aimed at them in to avoid being hit?
Most anyone who has ever ridden a street bike (motorcycle) or even a bicycle, for starters.
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The problem comes from not being able to determine intent. Is it a jihadi trying to run over as many people as possible or a little old lady who stepped on the wrong pedal and panicked?
Bust caps in the old lady and you are the monster. Get out of the way, draw, track the target, and if/when they get out, decide. Fire if they have anything in their hands that looks like a weapon.
Remember that you will have to justify the shoot, regardless of the mayhem, or you could be the one facing charges.
That's why I would emphasize being aware enough to jump out of the way; not getting a couple of shots off.
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Most anyone who has ever ridden a street bike (motorcycle) or even a bicycle, for starters.
Generally, yes. But you have to maintain that awareness while you're on holiday, for example, when you would least expect it. That's hard to do, at least without becoming paranoid.
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That's why I would emphasize being aware enough to jump out of the way; not getting a couple of shots off.
Right. Staying in a position to assess the situation is the first priority (and also makes it easier to render aid to the injured, afterwards). The shooting won't be preemptive, because civilian ROE won't allow for that, and there are other possibilities besides malicious intent.
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@TomSea This is a response from Reza Aslan, Iranian-born religious scholar and host on CNN:
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Reza needs to join Kathy Griffin.
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Generally, yes. But you have to maintain that awareness while you're on holiday, for example, when you would least expect it. That's hard to do, at least without becoming paranoid.
Actually, after decades in the saddle, it is second nature, no matter what is going on. Not just eyes, but ears, motor sounds, commotions, etc. I tended bar in a biker bar years ago, and those instincts for spotting developing trouble, changes in a crowd, just don't go away. I'm not paranoid, just tuned in to the surroundings.
I do the same out in the boonies, where I will just sit still and let the normal critter noises/activity come back, which were interrupted by my arrival. Then I have a baseline of sounds that are 'normal', and disruptions in that, sudden bird movements, etc., can herald potential trouble. Squirrels and Jays are common tattle tales, and good warning systems.
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Well, this didn't take long @mystery-ak The American version:
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I always keep my head on a swivel whether it be on my bike or out in public. I plan on keeping my head when others around me are losing theirs. Literally and figuratively speaking.
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I prefer seek whatever cover is available, aim carefully, fire!
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I prefer seek whatever cover is available, aim carefully, fire!
The UK disarmed their citizenry in 1920. All they have left is to be targets.
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The UK disarmed their citizenry in 1920. All they have left is to be targets.
Fortunately that hasn't happened here - yet....
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After Trump made a statement about the safety of America on twitter, This POS made his!
(Trumps statement is below This P. O. S#!ts!)
Reza Asian is an Iranian-born “religious scholar” and TV Host on CNN.
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https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/871151501929926657
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I prefer seek whatever cover is available, aim carefully, fire!
My wife and I were just talking about how one citizen with a gun could have ended that attack on the bridge.
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@TomSea This is a response from Reza Aslan, Iranian-born religious scholar and host on CNN:
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Wow, that was a great dictionary entry for Reza Aslan you just posted.
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Fox is reporting 9 dead including the three attackers.
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Just now reading about this. Wow.
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Wow, that was a great dictionary entry for Raza Aslan you just posted.
What's your point?
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What's your point?
Reza Aslan \ˈas-ˌwīp\
noun
1. This piece of sh*t is not only an embarrassment to America and a stain on the presidency. He's an embarrassment to humankind.
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Reza Aslan \ˈas-ˌwīp\
noun
1. This piece of sh*t is not only an embarrassment to America and a stain on the presidency. He's an embarrassment to humankind.
Ahhhh .... I think.
I must be slow.
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They're getting closer to seeing their worst nightmare.
A backlash.
I hope you are right, but so far they have gotten away, literally, with murder. There is only one way to stop this, and it's not hunting down and prosecuting individual terrorists, for there will always be more waiting to take their place. Unfortunately, no country, people, or government has had the will to do what is necessary. It may well be too late.
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My wife and I were just talking about how one citizen with a gun could have ended that attack on the bridge.
Ok, but since the attacks to date have been home-grown, not immigrants, they would presumably also have guns. And those would presumably have been long guns, as they were in a van, versus a presumed handgun of that lawful citizen.
The key would be many handguns. I still think there would have been many casualties in that case.
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There is a reason why those bastards would not try such a thing in most of America. I do worry about places like NYC, Washington. D.C., and well, the whole state of California. Many of the rest of us don't often leave the house without a pistol these days (me, especially). Europe is sleeping, but some of America is in a daydream. I fear what it will take for people to finally wake the hell up.
If 9/11, with over 3,000 dead in one fell swoop, didn't wake up the country, I don't see a lot of hope. With hundreds, probably thousands, more attacks worldwide since then, it appears the whole world is just standing around in shock watching their own destruction.
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Ok, but since the attacks to date have been home-grown, not immigrants, they would presumably also have guns. And those would presumably have been long guns, as they were in a van, versus a presumed handgun of that lawful citizen.
The key would be many handguns. I still think there would have been many casualties in that case.
Possibly...but I'd be willing to bet the mere possibility of having armed citizens in the area would have been a good deterrent.
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I hope you are right, but so far they have gotten away, literally, with murder. There is only one way to stop this, and it's not hunting down and prosecuting individual terrorists, for there will always be more waiting to take their place. Unfortunately, no country, people, or government has had the will to do what is necessary. It may well be too late.
Too many people know too many Muslims in their everyday lives, seeing that many aren't radical, just wanting to live their lives and raise their families in peace. There won't easily be broad support for a fascist-style response.
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Summary
Six people have been killed and three suspects shot dead by police after terror attack at London Bridge and Borough Market
Speeding van hit pedestrians, before suspects jumped out and stabbed members of public and police officer
Suspects wore hoax explosive vests, say police
At least 30 people taken to hospital, others treated at the scene
London Bridge railway station is closed
Transport police say London Bridge will stay shut overnight
A stabbing in nearby Vauxhall was not connected to terror attack, say police
Police have opened a casualty bureau. Telephone numbers are 0800 096 1233 and 020 7158 0197
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147014
Cops took 8 minutes from first call to the three scum dead. Not bad.
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Supressed wrote above:
"Too many people know too many Muslims in their everyday lives, seeing that many aren't radical, just wanting to live their lives and raise their families in peace. There won't easily be broad support for a fascist-style response."
I'll be lambasted for stating this, but in the war between Western Civilization and islam, the ONLY pathway to victory will be to embrace "a fascist-style" course of action.
Any "other way"... and we will ultimately... lose.
If someone attacks you with the obvious intent to kill you, all vestiges of morals and "civil behavior" are put aside in the struggle to survive.
Because -- if you DO NOT win -- such morals and restraints will have proven useless, because you will be gone.
In the struggle between The West and islam, the end is justified by the means.
I state the above with full realization of what that implies.
This is a battle that cannot (and never could be) be won "on the playing fields of Eaton".
To cling to such notion is to doom ourselves to dhimmitude.
We must take stock of the situation, and act with grim determination to win.
To win will require throwing out long-cherished notions about "human equality", and it will also require the RE-acknowldgement of Western/Euro-American/Christian superiority, without shame or embarrassment for so doing. As a point of order, the enemy clearly states its superiority over us. We must respond in kind if we wish to defeat that enemy.
I accept this.
I wish it wasn't so.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could win by being gentlemen?
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I'll be lambasted for stating this, but in the war between Western Civilization and islam, the ONLY pathway to victory will be to embrace "a fascist-style" course of action.
Any "other way"... and we will ultimately... lose.
If someone attacks you with the obvious intent to kill you, all vestiges of morals and "civil behavior" are put aside in the struggle to survive.
Because -- if you DO NOT win -- such morals and restraints will have proven useless, because you will be gone.
In the struggle between The West and islam, the end is justified by the means.
I state the above with full realization of what that implies.
This is a battle that cannot (and never could be) be won "on the playing fields of Eaton".
To cling to such notion is to doom ourselves to dhimmitude.
We must take stock of the situation, and act with grim determination to win.
To win will require throwing out long-cherished notions about "human equality", and it will also require the RE-acknowldgement of Western/Euro-American/Christian superiority, without shame or embarrassment for so doing. As a point of order, the enemy clearly states its superiority over us. We must respond in kind if we wish to defeat that enemy.
I accept this.
I wish it wasn't so.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could win by being gentlemen?
I won't lambaste you for your statement because you're one of the few who really understand what we're up against in a religious war. This type of war is for the very survival on one side or the other, and cannot be fought in any traditional manner. Religion blinds people to everything except their own ideology, and becomes the ultimate form of hate. It short-circuits all logic and reason, and even neuters the basic instinct of self-preservation. Religion is the greatest and most potent tool Satan ever devised.
To fight a religious war it's futile to attack individuals and armies. The religion itself must be destroyed. It's adherents must be either sincerely converted or they must be destroyed. There is no other way in the long run. No, it is not the activity of gentlemen, nor is it by Queensbury Rules nor on the playing fields of Eaton. If this is "fascist", then so be it, but it must eventually come to that or our civilization will not survive.
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I hope you are right, but so far they have gotten away, literally, with murder. There is only one way to stop this, and it's not hunting down and prosecuting individual terrorists, for there will always be more waiting to take their place. Unfortunately, no country, people, or government has had the will to do what is necessary. It may well be too late.
Form a coalition of the sane and willing nations, and deposit the terrorists on an island. If they get hungry, let them kill and eat each other.
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Summary
Six people have been killed and three suspects shot dead by police after terror attack at London Bridge and Borough Market
Speeding van hit pedestrians, before suspects jumped out and stabbed members of public and police officer
Suspects wore hoax explosive vests, say police
At least 30 people taken to hospital, others treated at the scene
London Bridge railway station is closed
Transport police say London Bridge will stay shut overnight
A stabbing in nearby Vauxhall was not connected to terror attack, say police
Police have opened a casualty bureau. Telephone numbers are 0800 096 1233 and 020 7158 0197
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147014
Cops took 8 minutes from first call to the three scum dead. Not bad.
The deal is however, with that ratio you run out of Brits, before you run out of muslims.
IOW the enemy will gladly take those odds.
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Fascism is an economic model, actually, in which the State controls industries and output which remain in private hands. It is midway between laissez faire capitalism where individual people own and control the means of production and the polar opposite, Communism, where the government owns and allocates all resources and means to produce.
What happened in Europe in the late '30s and early '40s that centered around Germany was attempted genocide, wrapped in a fascist economic mantle, and ultimately totalitarianism, but even more, the elimination of millions of those who would not bend their knee to the Party and the State, who would not submit.
In a war in which our enemies have sworn by their beliefs to convert us, kill us, or die, we have three options; convert, be killed, or assist them in the latter. I know which I would choose.
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What do they think London is? One of our American cities?
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That 1920 figure for "disarming" the public in the UK; can't be quite right, maybe a measure was done back then but others have also been done since and in more recent memory.
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maybe a measure was done back then but others have also been done since and in more recent memory.
Long guns after Hungerford (1987), handguns after Dunblane (1993). You can still get them - I have licences for both rifles and one of the shotguns (handguns I can't be arsed with for home use) - but they do take 6 weeks minumum for the paperwork to be done.
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What happened in Europe in the late '30s and early '40s that centered around Germany was attempted genocide, wrapped in a fascist economic mantle, and ultimately totalitarianism, but even more, the elimination of millions of those who would not bend their knee to the Party and the State, who would not submit.
The genocide at the hands of Germany in the 30s and 40s had nothing to do with eliminating those who would not bend their knee to the Party and the State. The genocide had everything to do with eliminating the Jew. Period. It did not matter if the knee was bent or not.
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The genocide at the hands of Germany in the 30s and 40s had nothing to do with eliminating those who would not bend their knee to the Party and the State. The genocide had everything to do with eliminating the Jew. Period. It did not matter if the knee was bent or not.
Tell that to the 5 million people who were not Jews who were murdered by the Nazis. Then go look up "genocide" and reread what I said.
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"Gimme dat ole time religion,gimme dat ole time religion...
If it's good enough for Mohammed,it's good enough for me......!"
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Well, their Muzzie mayor says, it's “part and parcel of living in a big city”. And they elected the dope.
@dfwgator
Well,to be fair to the Mayor,there IS some question as to who were the dopes in that equation.
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Will Katy Perry tweet for open borders again?
@dfwgator
Let's hope so. The sooner we bring this boil to a head,the better off we will be.
Then again,there are still some areas in America where 3 Muslims could jump out of a van with big knives to attack a crowd,and end up getting the knives stuck up their asses,and a lot of areas where you would hear "BANG! BANG! BANG! That one is still moving,Luther,shoot him again! This is the most damn fun I have had in ages!"
My name ain't Luther,but if someone starts waving a knife at me,it ain't going to end well for him.
The British are just too damn polite for their own good,but once they reach their breaking point and decide enough is enough,being a Muslim in England is going to be a scary thing to be.
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I was reading at that liberal slanted middle east eye and they were saying "well, it didn't help to jail all of the suspected IRA terrorists back in the day".
Uhhhh,99 percent of the Irish Terrorists were in Ireland,not England.
That does suggest a possible solution that will make the Irish happy,though. Deport Englands Muslims to Ireland. The Irish have to be getting bored about now,and when the Muslims piss them off it will be the beginning of the Muslim downfall.
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They're getting closer to seeing their worst nightmare.
A backlash.
@DCPatriot
It was primarily the British that brought the Holy War back to Islam a couple of times,and it took the Muslims around 600 years to recover from the last time. They might not be that lucky this time. The last time all the Brits had were swords and bows. This time they have nukes.
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How could they not be ready for something like this??
No excuse.
Are the police even armed at London Bridge?
@DCPatriot
Thanks to Islam,the London police now have armed squads in full tactical gear with full-auto battle rifles as well as handguns patrolling some areas (Muslim areas) of London. For hundreds of years the Bobbies were unarmed,but no longer.
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It sounds like guns "could" be involved from what we are hearing, lots of gunfire.
@TomSea
It most likely came from the special squads of "quick reaction" armed and roaming Special Police. They patrol Muslim areas in armored vans,and also areas where big public events are being held. You don't hear much about them because the British are proud of their unarmed Bobbies,and want people to think they are all still unarmed.
And of course with London's new Muslim Mayor,the special police may lose their guns soon.
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I do worry about places like NYC, Washington. D.C., and well, the whole state of California.
I don't. They bought the tickets to take that ride,and they now want us all to ride with them. People who aren't willing to defend themselves and their own families aren't worth worrying about.
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Me and the missus just bought our family membership at the gun range on post today. Looks like we're gonna need it.
@txradioguy
Not really. Think "Triangle" with both hands on the gun extended in front of you so you are naturally looking down the barrel everywhere you look,and then think "Center Mass,don't quit shooting until the gun quits making loud noises."
Center Mass is a big target that is hard to miss at distances close enough a man with a knife is a threat to you.
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Most anyone who has ever ridden a street bike (motorcycle) or even a bicycle, for starters.
@Oceander @Smokin Joe
As well as anyone who has ever lived in a big city and tried crossing the street.
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I won't lambaste you for your statement because you're one of the few who really understand what we're up against in a religious war. This type of war is for the very survival on one side or the other, and cannot be fought in any traditional manner. Religion blinds people to everything except their own ideology, and becomes the ultimate form of hate. It short-circuits all logic and reason, and even neuters the basic instinct of self-preservation. Religion is the greatest and most potent tool Satan ever devised.
To fight a religious war it's futile to attack individuals and armies. The religion itself must be destroyed. It's adherents must be either sincerely converted or they must be destroyed. There is no other way in the long run. No, it is not the activity of gentlemen, nor is it by Queensbury Rules nor on the playing fields of Eaton. If this is "fascist", then so be it, but it must eventually come to that or our civilization will not survive.
@Gideon300
I agree with most of what you said,but strongly disagree about targeting individuals being a waste of time. Targeting individuals is precisely what we should be doing,starting with the Mullahs at the bottom,and the international bankers that finance the Jihadists at the top of the food chain.
Nobody EVER won a war by killing privates. You win wars by killing off the leadership and the financiers,so why not just start there and be done with it? Track those bastards down and pop them where you find them.
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@DCPatriot
Thanks to Islam,the London police now have armed squads in full tactical gear with full-auto battle rifles as well as handguns patrolling some areas (Muslim areas) of London. For hundreds of years the Bobbies were unarmed,but no longer.
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The genocide at the hands of Germany in the 30s and 40s had nothing to do with eliminating those who would not bend their knee to the Party and the State. The genocide had everything to do with eliminating the Jew. Period. It did not matter if the knee was bent or not.
@Right_in_Virginia
HorseHillary! There was a lower percentage of European Jews murdered by the Nazi's than there was Gypsies,and when it comes to total numbers,nobody tops the Slavs when it comes to Nazi bodycount.
The Nazi's were even "selling pardons and passports" to Jews in Nazi-occupied parts of Europe that were lucky enough to have rich relatives living in other areas. The Wealthy German Jews no longer existed because the Nazi's confiscated all their wealth and possessions for their own use.
AND....,it has to be said that the big reasons the Nazi's hated the Jews are because they were/are a clannish bunch that mostly stuck together and who helped each other to succeed. These are normally considered to be positive traits,but not in a police state system where the police state resents anyone not fully submissive who might want to rock the boat.
Plus,the Jewish leadership had a LOT of money and property for the Nazi bigshots to steal for their own uses.
Greed and jealousy.
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@Right_in_Virginia
HorseHillary! There was a lower percentage of European Jews murdered by the Nazi's than there was Gypsies,and when it comes to total numbers,nobody tops the Slavs when it comes to Nazi bodycount.
The Nazi's were even "selling pardons and passports" to Jews in Nazi-occupied parts of Europe that were lucky enough to have rich relatives living in other areas. The Wealthy German Jews no longer existed because the Nazi's confiscated all their wealth and possessions for their own use.
AND....,it has to be said that the big reasons the Nazi's hated the Jews are because they were/are a clannish bunch that mostly stuck together and who helped each other to succeed. These are normally considered to be positive traits,but not in a police state system where the police state resents anyone not fully submissive who might want to rock the boat.
Plus,the Jewish leadership had a LOT of money and property for the Nazi bigshots to steal for their own uses.
Greed and jealousy.
Do you have a link to any kind of credible evidence to back up some of that BS you posted about Jews and buying pardons?
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@DCPatriot
Thanks to Islam,the London police now have armed squads in full tactical gear with full-auto battle rifles as well as handguns patrolling some areas (Muslim areas) of London. For hundreds of years the Bobbies were unarmed,but no longer.
I don't think all Bobbies are unarmed, all carry truncheons but as for guns, I think the ones who watch over the Royals and certain MPs and the PM have guns.
I think the ones in the Jewel Tower might also be armed.
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@dfwgator
Then again,there are still some areas in America where 3 Muslims could jump out of a van with big knives to attack a crowd,and end up getting the knives stuck up their asses,and a lot of areas where you would hear "BANG! BANG! BANG! That one is still moving,Luther,shoot him again! This is the most damn fun I have had in ages!"
Parts here in SE Texas, if a muzzle jumps out his vehicle with a big knife yelling "This is for Allah", I'd venture he has less than a 50/50 chance of inflicting any damage, and probably >90% chance of quick meeting with Allah.
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Do you have a link to any kind of credible evidence to back up some of that BS you posted about Jews and buying pardons?
@txradioguy
"The Last Ship" by William Brinkley ISBN 0-670-80981-0
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Fascism is an economic model, actually, in which the State controls industries and output which remain in private hands.
With all due respect, economics is only one aspect of the political philosophy known as fascism. For example, economics alone don't encompass the fascist nationalism.
I specifically wrote "fascist-style" because I wasn't assuming actual fascism would be a part of the suggestion.
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Parts here in SE Texas, if a muzzle jumps out his vehicle with a big knife yelling "This is for Allah", I'd venture he has less than a 50/50 chance of inflicting any damage, and probably >90% chance of quick meeting with Allah.
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That is the second time Han shot 1st!
lol
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Fascism is an economic model, actually, in which the State controls industries and output which remain in private hands. It is midway between laissez faire capitalism where individual people own and control the means of production and the polar opposite, Communism, where the government owns and allocates all resources and means to produce.
What happened in Europe in the late '30s and early '40s that centered around Germany was attempted genocide, wrapped in a fascist economic mantle, and ultimately totalitarianism, but even more, the elimination of millions of those who would not bend their knee to the Party and the State, who would not submit.
In a war in which our enemies have sworn by their beliefs to convert us, kill us, or die, we have three options; convert, be killed, or assist them in the latter. I know which I would choose.
Mussolini's Fascism wasn't racist in nature, the problem is that Hitler basically co-opted all of the Fascist movements and forced them to adopt racial policies. I question sometimes whether Germany was really "Fascist", although the Communists always referred to the Nazis as "Fascist" instead of as "National Socialists". Obviously, Communists didn't want to admit that the Nazis were indeed fellow socialists.
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Mussolini's Fascism wasn't racist in nature, the problem is that Hitler basically co-opted all of the Fascist movements and forced them to adopt racial policies. I question sometimes whether Germany was really "Fascist", although the Communists always referred to the Nazis as "Fascist" instead of as "National Socialists". Obviously, Communists didn't want to admit that the Nazis were indeed fellow socialists.
In our times the word "fascist" is rather undefinable. It has come to mean any action or thinking that is opposed to the ultra-liberal view. If you're conservative, you're fascist. If you speak out as opposed to abortion, homosexuality, islam, and a zillion other liberal causes, you're fascist. If you voted for Trump, you're fascist. Most people who use that word don't know or care what it really means, it's just anyone or anything that doesn't agree with their views.
The word "fascist" has become as hollow and meaningless as the word "racist". I've come to despise both those words and most of the people who use them as epithets.
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In our times the word "fascist" is rather undefinable. It has come to mean any action or thinking that is opposed to the ultra-liberal view. If you're conservative, you're fascist. If you speak out as opposed to abortion, homosexuality, islam, and a zillion other liberal causes, you're fascist. If you voted for Trump, you're fascist. Most people who use that word don't know or care what it really means, it's just anyone or anything that doesn't agree with their views.
The word "fascist" has become as hollow and meaningless as the word "racist". I've come to despise both those words and most of the people who use them as epithets.
Or as I always say, "The only thing worse than a Fascist, is an 'Anti-Fascist.'"
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How the ef did this thread jump the curb and take left turn to a Nazi's and Jew discussion.
Get back on topic for christ sakes.
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The majority of police officers in the UK still do not carry guns. The ones you see on TV are special tactical unuts that have to be called in.
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How the ef did this thread jump the curb and take left turn to a Nazi's and Jew discussion.
Get back on topic for christ sakes.
Agreed. This is not a rehash of WWII or NAZIs.
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How the ef did this thread jump the curb and take left turn to a Nazi's and Jew discussion.
Get back on topic for christ sakes.
@Wingnut
You can't see the similarities between what happened back then and what is happening now?
Really? The lessons of history that are repeated over and over again have nothing to teach you?
Same game,different players.
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Fortunately that hasn't happened here - yet....
Why do we have such short memories? Not picking on you, because the majority of people for some reason forget that we have had attacks by Islamic terrorist since 911. Boston, Times Square bombing, The attack at the Recruiting office, Fort Hood, Chapel Hill NC SUV attack, to name a few. It has happen here, and it will again.
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Actually, after decades in the saddle, it is second nature, no matter what is going on. Not just eyes, but ears, motor sounds, commotions, etc. I tended bar in a biker bar years ago, and those instincts for spotting developing trouble, changes in a crowd, just don't go away. I'm not paranoid, just tuned in to the surroundings.
@Smokin Joe
@CatherineofAragon
@Freya
First, I just got an email from son, Wayne, to tell me he was not in the area of the attacks last night, that he is safe.
I had a retired friend who was a sheriff's deputy. We would go to a restaurant and he would ask for certain seating so he could survey the people in there. He did it every time. No person was behind his back. That put me facing the back of the restaurant.
My son has a friend in Florida who is a retired Florida detective. When he would go to dinner with him, this detective would do the same thing - get a seat so he could see everyone. That would put Wayne facing the back of the restaurant.
Both Wayne and I would see the kitchen when we were with our "ex-cop" friend.
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Why do we have such short memories? Not picking on you, because the majority of people for some reason forget that we have had attacks by Islamic terrorist since 911. Boston, Times Square bombing, The attack at the Recruiting office, Fort Hood, Chapel Hill NC SUV attack, to name a few. It has happen here, and it will again.
And most all happened in gun free zones!
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And most all happened in gun free zones!
"Gun-free" zones are only gun free for those who respect the law.
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"Gun-free" zones are only gun free for those who respect the law.
Very true! They are, in fact, free fire zones for criminals and terrorists!
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The majority of police officers in the UK still do not carry guns. The ones you see on TV are special tactical unuts that have to be called in.
This just from the mouth of the London Police Official giving a press briefing....."expect to see an increase of police presence on the streets, both armed an UNARMED."
Its lunacy to prevent private citizens from owning and carrying a gun, but in this day and age to prevent police officers from carrying is lunacy times 1000.
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This just from the mouth of the London Police Official giving a press briefing....."expect to see an increase of police presence on the streets, both armed an UNARMED."
Its lunacy to prevent private citizens from owning and carrying a gun, but in this day and age to prevent police officers from carrying is lunacy times 1000.
What has CONCLUSIVELY been shown to work is no one knowing who has a gun and who doesn't!
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@Right_in_Virginia
Greed and jealousy.
You forgot the Jews were going to take over the world, were the reason Germany lost WWI and they were not part of the Aryan race. Anti-Semitism in Europe was wide and deep.
The original plan was to migrate them out of Germany ... hence the black market passports. But Hitler found a more lasting and final solution.
By the time Hitler's grasp on power was secure and total the Jewish fate was sealed and there was no amount of bending to the state that would have changed it.
FWIT, I, too, would like historical light shined on the fate of the Gypsies.
@sneakypete
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I always keep my head on a swivel whether it be on my bike or out in public. I plan on keeping my head when others around me are losing theirs. Literally and figuratively speaking.
@Wingnut
Parked my car in a parking garage - got in the elevator in the parking garage along with five others. It stopped mid floors. The others in there went into instant panic. I immediately thought of how to get out of there. I looked up and saw I could get out if the men in there held me up - I would fit into that opening. I tried to calm those people down, saying if it didn't move soon, I would go out the top. One woman, one man, said they couldn't stand being in small places - they were useless. It finally moved and we got out. That was a learning time - be a McGiver (sp), and figure it out by yourself as others may panic.
If there is a problem, I immediately go into solving that problem. Women scream, I don't know why they do that as a scream gets you nothing. I am not a screamer, I am a solver. When I go in a place, I look for exits.
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@Victoria33, glad to hear he's OK.
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@Smokin Joe
@CatherineofAragon
@Freya
First, I just got an email from son, Wayne, to tell me he was not in the area of the attacks last night, that he is safe.
I had a retired friend who was a sheriff's deputy. We would go to a restaurant and he would ask for certain seating so he could survey the people in there. He did it every time. No person was behind his back. That put me facing the back of the restaurant.
My son has a friend in Florida who is a retired Florida detective. When he would go to dinner with him, this detective would do the same thing - get a seat so he could see everyone. That would put Wayne facing the back of the restaurant.
Both Wayne and I would see the kitchen when we were with our "ex-cop" friend.
I sit next to a guy in church....far back left by the door, who conceal carries with an ankle holster. As a matter of fact we discussed it before the service started and my comment was...geez....I hope you are a good shot...lol. He was a military marksman... I was awarded a marksmanship award in college, but that doesn't mean I can hit the broadside of a barn now...lol. Isn't it a crying shame to have to have armed parishioners..........
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I sit next to a guy in church....far back left by the door, who conceal carries with an ankle holster. As a matter of fact we discussed it before the service started and my comment was...geez....I hope you are a good shot...lol. He was a military marksman... I was awarded a marksmanship award in college, but that doesn't mean I can hit the broadside of a barn now...lol. Isn't it a crying shame to have to have armed parishioners..........
It makes me feel safer. We know that bad things can happen in churches, too.
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It makes me feel safer. We know that bad things can happen in churches, too.
It happened a few years ago in a church in Fort Worth.
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As it stands now, I think we already have enough Mosques in the US; as sad as this tragedy is, only the most naive stick to their multiculturalism. This has to be the final wake-up call.
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As it stands now, I think we already have enough Mosques in the US; as sad as this tragedy is, only the most naive stick to their multiculturalism. This has to be the final wake-up call.
There is even an Islamic center right across the street from my Kids' high school, in our very Republican DFW suburb.
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There is even an Islamic center right across the street from my Kids' high school, in our very Republican DFW suburb.
I know a Mosque was torched in Newcastle about 5 years ago. If one keeps up with it, one finds a number of these kinds of incidences.
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Did the guards not even have pepper spray? A powerful pepper spray even would have helped. I would want a concealed carry, that can be a problem in bars per the law. I don't drink in bars for all intents and purposes anymore anyway. Too many risks like being pulled over even if one has not had much to drink.
Martial arts is another option too.
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Sure, we have a right to defend ourselves but as pointed out, in this case, the terrorists could have been armed a lot better as well than with knives, say I've got my Sir Sauer 220 against 3 who have more firepower, I'd just not forget Orlando and I believe an off-duty officer acting as a security guard exchanged fire with the killer at first. Pretty sad all the way around.
Someone should have been around with bear spray quality pepper spray at the least.
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You forgot the Jews were going to take over the world, were the reason Germany lost WWI and they were not part of the Aryan race. Anti-Semitism in Europe was wide and deep.
@Right_in_Virginia
I didn't forget it,I just don't buy into it as being factual. Other than there was a lot of anti-Semitism in Europe. Fear and hatred of strangers is a genetic survival trait that has been pounded into humanity since the Cave Man days. It's as natural as breathing,but it's nothing that should bother intelligent people of the 21st Century. Yeah,some people of every nationality are evil by nature,but it takes a devout fundamentalist religious belief to make these herd people dangerous. Left to their own devices,most people seem to manage to get along with other people without feeling the need to commit genocide.
Don't forget,there were Germans who went to the labor camps themselves for hiding Jews,and I have no doubt there were many more who wanted to do the same things,but were too afraid of the consequences that would land on themselves and their own families if they were caught. Don't forget that at it's base Nazism was and is a form of rule by a fascist government police state. If you are accused,you ARE guilty. We have a hard time really comprehending that,but it's true.
The original plan was to migrate them out of Germany ...
Yes,it was. Very few left,though. The Nazis were willing to let them go,but they had to leave their wealth behind. Any that left would be virtually penniless when trying to start life in a new country. That's a tough hill to climb,and the reason why so many Jews ignored the warnings and remained behind while assuring themselves that "Hitler will listen to reason because that is what reasonable people do!" They clearly weren't taking into account the fact that Hitler wasn't a reasonable man. He was a freaking megalomaniac that was paranoid on top of it. You can't reason with people like that.
hence the black market passports.
There was nothing black market about them. They were legitimate internal travel documents that allowed the people named the freedom to leave Germany. They were even issued by the SS,and it was the SS that provided their transportation to the docks at Hamburg,and protected them from the German police while escorting them there. Not even the purest German was going to go up against Himmler.
They only started to be issued after war was declared,and AFAIK,only Jews were allowed to buy them. I may be wrong about the last part,though.That is what I have read,but I have a really hard time believing the SS would refuse the money from the foreign family of a Gypsie,homosexual,drug addict,etc,etc,etc if they came up with the cash and wanted to buy a boat ticket for their German relative.
The "passport for Jews" thing was an established government program that involved the SS (at a minimum) in Germany,as well as the governments of at least 3 other countries that I know of,Cuba,the US,and Canada. Jews with wealthy relatives living in Canada or the US that had the cash and was willing to pay it to buy their relatives way out of Germany could buy the official document for each family member. Once there were enough of them the SS would send them to Hamburg,where they would get on a commercial ocean liner to go to Cuba. Cuba was playing the role of the middleman,but it was the final destination for German Jews with relatives living in Cuba.
Have no idea how the Canadians handled it,but the US had a member of the US embassy in Cuba handle all the paperwork there once all the fees had been paid,and then the German Jews were allowed to get on another ship and go to America to meet up with their relatives/sponsors.
What makes this all just a touch shady is that AFAIK,the US government still doesn't want to admit any official involvement in this program. Most likely because for some reason that no one,even the people at the US embassy in Cuba that were handling the paperwork knew,one day they were just told to stop the paperwork,and that no more German Jews would be allowed in the US,
My own PERSONAL best guess is this happened because it was about this time when some of the labor camps quit being labor camps,and became death factories. The US refused to officially recognize the horrors of Nazism until US forces were in Germany and eastern Europe,and overrunning the camps. I don't think King Roosevelt or Truman wanted to explain why they hadn't publicized this earlier because they were afraid the American public would be outraged and stop everything else to immediately invade Germany to free the Jews. It would have been insane to invade Germany that early in the game. The US dead and wounded would have been enormous if they had. The plan was to bleed Germany out as much as possible before invading. This last part is my theory only,and worth ever dime you paid for it.
But Hitler found a more lasting and final solution.
Or so he thought,anyhow.
By the time Hitler's grasp on power was secure and total the Jewish fate was sealed and there was no amount of bending to the state that would have changed it.
Maybe. What I do know to be a fact is that the program stopped when the US embassy in Cuba stopped issuing visas to German Jews. Lots of speculation about that one,but the only FACT AFAIK is that the system was shut down,not why it was shut down.
BTW,the Jews on that Hamburg liner spent a couple of months living on it in Havana harbor while governments did a lot of backstage wrangling. The Cubans wouldn't let them come ashore to ask for sanctuary. Eventually the decision was made to take them back to Hamburg on the same ship that brought them to Cuba.
Some of the ship's passengers died in the labor or death camps,but a surprising number, to me anyhow, managed to survive and find their way to Israel after the war.
They all speak highly of the German Captain of the ship,and his efforts to make them more comfortable and to save them. The ship itself was bombed by the Allies during a bombing raid on Hamburg as she laid tied up at the docks.
FWIT, I, too, would like historical light shined on the fate of the Gypsies.
Good luck with that one. Nobody seems to like them any better today than they did in the 1930's.
The real horror story is what happened to the Slavs in Eastern Europe,though. There is a PBS series titled "Russia's War,Blood in the Snow" that is based on actual film footage as well as written reports found in the KGB archives after communism collapsed in Russia. The people in Eastern Europe were little more than anvils that got hammered between the Russians and the Germans. You will see actual film footage taken by the German Army themselves of them herding everyone,man,woman,and child,into a small church in some farming village in Ukraine,and then nailing the doors and windows shut and setting it on fire with flame-throwers,and all of them joking and laughing with each other as the church burned and the people in it died screaming. A few managed to beat shutters off a few windows to try to escape,but there were German troops watching the windows,and gunning them down before they could climb out.
And these people are smiling and laughing while doing it.
There is also film footage of the Red Army murdering villagers,too.
You can probably check the DVD out at your local library if you want to watch it.
@sneakypete
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Thanks for the reply @sneakypete :seeya:
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That's not real, is it?
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Seriously???
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@Lando Lincoln
Come on! That can't possibly be legitimate,can it? I know it's bragging on Mad Maxine to call her an idiot,but even she isn't THAT stupid,is she?
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Is this woman totally NUTS? No, you don't have to answer that.
You can always count on Mad Max to come up with something like this. If not, Hank Johnson will.
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For once I'm speechless. Maxine has soared to new heights of ignorance and stupidity
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That's not real, is it?
I don't think it's real.
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Why do we have such short memories? Not picking on you, because the majority of people for some reason forget that we have had attacks by Islamic terrorist since 911. Boston, Times Square bombing, The attack at the Recruiting office, Fort Hood, Chapel Hill NC SUV attack, to name a few. It has happen here, and it will again.
I should have been more clear. We have had sporadic attacks but we have yet to see the coordinated more than one site attacks at the frequency Europe has been experiencing them
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I sit next to a guy in church....far back left by the door, who conceal carries with an ankle holster. As a matter of fact we discussed it before the service started and my comment was...geez....I hope you are a good shot...lol. He was a military marksman... I was awarded a marksmanship award in college, but that doesn't mean I can hit the broadside of a barn now...lol. Isn't it a crying shame to have to have armed parishioners..........
I am always carrying in church. Just like everywhere else I go... I know there are multiple people in my church who carry on any given Sunday.
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@Smokin Joe
@CatherineofAragon
@Freya
First, I just got an email from son, Wayne, to tell me he was not in the area of the attacks last night, that he is safe.
I had a retired friend who was a sheriff's deputy. We would go to a restaurant and he would ask for certain seating so he could survey the people in there. He did it every time. No person was behind his back. That put me facing the back of the restaurant.
My son has a friend in Florida who is a retired Florida detective. When he would go to dinner with him, this detective would do the same thing - get a seat so he could see everyone. That would put Wayne facing the back of the restaurant.
Both Wayne and I would see the kitchen when we were with our "ex-cop" friend.
@Victoria33 I'm so glad your son is ok. I know that restaurant. Has good pub grub and I loved pub grub.
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Re: Maxine Waters
OMG... That is not real. I thought I grabbed a different link. Hers was much more thoughtful.
Maybe Mods can delete?
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Re: Maxine Waters
OMG... That is not real. I thought I grabbed a different link. Hers was much more thoughtful.
Maybe Mods can delete?
Are you funnin' with us?
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It makes me feel safer. We know that bad things can happen in churches, too.
@Sanguine @NavyCanDo
I always take bear spray to church with me.
https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/bearspray.htm
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@Sanguine @NavyCanDo
I always take bear spray to church with me.
https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/bearspray.htm
Interesting idea.
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Are you funnin' with us?
No, just gross stupidity on my part while sitting in a hot car.
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No, just gross stupidity on my part while sitting in a hot car.
The sad thing is, knowing Mad Maxine, I believed it.
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The sad thing is, knowing Mad Maxine, I believed it.
Exactly.
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The sad thing is, knowing Mad Maxine, I believed it.
I checked her twitter feed to see if it were true! lol.
I do need a bath now though.
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The sad thing is, knowing Mad Maxine, I believed it.
I thought it at least possibly true. That I wasn't sure is a sad thing.
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@Smokin Joe
@CatherineofAragon
@Freya
First, I just got an email from son, Wayne, to tell me he was not in the area of the attacks last night, that he is safe.
I had a retired friend who was a sheriff's deputy. We would go to a restaurant and he would ask for certain seating so he could survey the people in there. He did it every time. No person was behind his back. That put me facing the back of the restaurant.
My son has a friend in Florida who is a retired Florida detective. When he would go to dinner with him, this detective would do the same thing - get a seat so he could see everyone. That would put Wayne facing the back of the restaurant.
Both Wayne and I would see the kitchen when we were with our "ex-cop" friend.
@Victoria33 is he giving any thoughts to coming home because of the danger?
Funny thing is we were there in the area where the attack happened in Nov of 2015.
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@Victoria33 is he giving any thoughts to coming home because of the danger?
Funny thing is we were there in the area where the attack happened in Nov of 2015.
@txradioguy
That IS his home for 32 years. He is a director of documentary film. He lives outside London, not in central London, however he goes there. The film he just finished was for the BBC and they are in central London, so he goes there and where he edits film is in central London, plus other film companies are in central London. No way he can stay totally out of there.
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That IS his home for 32 years. He is a director of documentary film. He lives outside London, not in central London, however he goes there. The film he just finished was for the BBC and they are in central London, so he goes there and where he edits film is in central London, plus other film companies are in central London. No way he can stay totally out of there.
I'll say a prayer for his safety.
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I'll say a prayer for his safety.
@txradioguy
Thank you, you are a good person.
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@Victoria33
As you know today was my dad's unveiling.
When it was all over I asked the Rabbi if I could pray for a few friends who live in the U.K., and for
@Machiavelli 's wife.
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With all due respect, economics is only one aspect of the political philosophy known as fascism. For example, economics alone don't encompass the fascist nationalism.
I specifically wrote "fascist-style" because I wasn't assuming actual fascism would be a part of the suggestion.
When you add "nationalism" to "fascism", you have gone from an economic model to a political one. Different critter.
Mussolini and Hitler both used Nationalism coupled with a Cult of Personality (and totalitarian enforcement) to maintain a fascist economy.
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The first victim has been identified.
http://news.sky.com/story/first-victim-of-london-terror-attack-named-as-christine-archibald-10904569
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@Smokin Joe
@CatherineofAragon
@Freya
First, I just got an email from son, Wayne, to tell me he was not in the area of the attacks last night, that he is safe.
I had a retired friend who was a sheriff's deputy. We would go to a restaurant and he would ask for certain seating so he could survey the people in there. He did it every time. No person was behind his back. That put me facing the back of the restaurant.
My son has a friend in Florida who is a retired Florida detective. When he would go to dinner with him, this detective would do the same thing - get a seat so he could see everyone. That would put Wayne facing the back of the restaurant.
Both Wayne and I would see the kitchen when we were with our "ex-cop" friend.
I hate sitting with my back to the room. Always have, always will. I want to see the door, too, so I can see 'trouble' coming in.
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It's real sad and EC hasn't been on. He should know, we are all with you brother.
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It's real sad and EC hasn't been on. He should know, we are all with you brother.
:amen:
@EC is a good bloke, as they say across the pond.
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@Wingnut
Parked my car in a parking garage - got in the elevator in the parking garage along with five others. It stopped mid floors. The others in there went into instant panic. I immediately thought of how to get out of there. I looked up and saw I could get out if the men in there held me up - I would fit into that opening. I tried to calm those people down, saying if it didn't move soon, I would go out the top. One woman, one man, said they couldn't stand being in small places - they were useless. It finally moved and we got out. That was a learning time - be a McGiver (sp), and figure it out by yourself as others may panic.
If there is a problem, I immediately go into solving that problem. Women scream, I don't know why they do that as a scream gets you nothing. I am not a screamer, I am a solver. When I go in a place, I look for exits.
I am glad to hear your son is safe. You are a survivor. Panic is contagious, and I wish those people would just hush and let the problem solvers get on with it. ^-^
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It's real sad and EC hasn't been on. He should know, we are all with you brother.
I'm about. Get set to read and catch up and the damned phone goes again. :shrug:
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The first victim has been identified.
http://news.sky.com/story/first-victim-of-london-terror-attack-named-as-christine-archibald-10904569
Puting faces with the victims names is heartbreaking.
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When you add "nationalism" to "fascism", you have gone from an economic model to a political one. Different critter.
Mussolini and Hitler both used Nationalism coupled with a Cult of Personality (and totalitarian enforcement) to maintain a fascist economy.
Yes, a fascist economy is only one aspect of fascism. Fascism without nationalism isn't fascism.
Authoritarianism and state-above-individual are hallmarks of fascism, too.
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@Victoria33
As you know today was my dad's unveiling.
When it was all over I asked the Rabbi if I could pray for a few friends who live in the U.K., and for
@Machiavelli 's wife.
@Freya
Thank you, Freya.
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Yes, a fascist economy is only one aspect of fascism. Fascism without nationalism isn't fascism.
Authoritarianism and state-above-individual are hallmarks of fascism, too.
@Suppressed
Fascism without nationalism is communism. Communists are international fascists.
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@Suppressed
Fascism without nationalism is communism. Communists are international fascists.
There is a subtle difference.
The National Socialists were not Fascists in the true sense, they were Socialists, with a corrupted fascistic economic model. They couldn't exactly go around quoting Marx or Engels, because that would have led people to wonder why they were even fighting Communists, and in the case of the Nazis, would have messed up their putsch for power. Mussolini was a more 'pure' Fascist.
In fascism, the industrial output and allocation of resources are controlled by the Government, but the ownership of industry remains in private hands. In Communism, the Government owns it all. Otherwise, the Fascists and Communists wouldn't have been having it out in the streets. There were some international concerns which profited handsomely from both World Wars, but no one likes to talk about that. Ironically, as the effects of power and trimmings of wealth became more reachable for the Party elite, with the fall of the Soviet Union, the allegedly capitalist government actually took on capitalist trimmings, but became more Fascist underneath. If someone crossed the Party (Gazprom, anyone?), they fell from favor and forfeited their booty.
In practice, both forms of government are totalitarian in nature, so the effects for 'outsiders' and for dissidents are the same. Usually imprisonment or death.
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There is a subtle difference.
@Smokin Joe
Yes,there is,and it is those subtle differences that make ALL the difference to the "True Believers". For the reat of us,it's basically a case of "a dictator is a dictator."
However,it is a historical point of fact that most people on both sides of the issue try to ignore for all they are wroth that the Nazi's and the Communists were allies when WW-2 first started,and before the war Stalin leased out huge tracts in Russia for the Germans to develop their military weapons and tactics. They were such goombahs that they shared the invasion of Poland.
They remained allies right up to the instant that Hitler ordered the invasion of the USSR,suddenly,overnight,Nazi's because "evil right-wingers" instead of fellow socialists.
Funny how that works,huh?
In practice, both forms of government are totalitarian in nature, so the effects for 'outsiders' and for dissidents are the same. Usually imprisonment or death
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Yup. A police state is a police state is a police state.
The New World Order is the ultimate police state.
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@sneakypete
Yup. A police state is a police state is a police state.
The New World Order is the ultimate police state.
Yep, all hair splitting and doctrinal discussions aside, that is the bottom line. Imagine what any of those past, failed, totalitarian governments could have done with the ability to capture and move information present today.
Everything, and I mean everything, you buy, do, where you go, what you eat, when you turn the lights on or off and hos big the bulb is (and what type), can all conceivably be tracked. We have reached the point where using cash, not having a 'smart' whatever or the latest gps equipped vehicle is considered unpatriotic, citizen, and everyone on my teevee seems to want to sell me a DNA test kit. Hmmm. I know my ancestry. I don't need the kit. How did those folks not know they were 26% American Indian. Why did that lady give her nationality as Hispanic and not just "American"? and other questions abound from watching that stuff.
Anything you give them can and will be used against you someday, because if you remember Liberty, even the version we had 50 years ago, you know those walls are getting closer.
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There is a subtle difference.
The National Socialists were not Fascists in the true sense, they were Socialists, with a corrupted fascistic economic model. They couldn't exactly go around quoting Marx or Engels, because that would have led people to wonder why they were even fighting Communists, and in the case of the Nazis, would have messed up their putsch for power. Mussolini was a more 'pure' Fascist.
In fascism, the industrial output and allocation of resources are controlled by the Government, but the ownership of industry remains in private hands. In Communism, the Government owns it all. Otherwise, the Fascists and Communists wouldn't have been having it out in the streets. There were some international concerns which profited handsomely from both World Wars, but no one likes to talk about that. Ironically, as the effects of power and trimmings of wealth became more reachable for the Party elite, with the fall of the Soviet Union, the allegedly capitalist government actually took on capitalist trimmings, but became more Fascist underneath. If someone crossed the Party (Gazprom, anyone?), they fell from favor and forfeited their booty.
In practice, both forms of government are totalitarian in nature, so the effects for 'outsiders' and for dissidents are the same. Usually imprisonment or death.
My understanding is that what you describe as Communisim ("the" Government owns the means of production) is Socialism. Communism is when the workers own the means of production (ack, I think I just called Hy-Vee commie), perhaps shared with the other workers in their area, kind of a small government Socialism without all the central planning and such.
Read an interesting book awhile back on the leaders of the USSR. Their (supposed) goal was Communism, but they felt they needed to use Socialism to get them there, but never could.
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My understanding is that what you describe as Communisim ("the" Government owns the means of production) is Socialism. Communism is when the workers own the means of production (ack, I think I just called Hy-Vee commie), perhaps shared with the other workers in their area, kind of a small government Socialism without all the central planning and such.
Read an interesting book awhile back on the leaders of the USSR. Their (supposed) goal was Communism, but they felt they needed to use Socialism to get them there, but never could.
True, but in pure Communism, the people are the government and everyone gives according to their abilities, and receives according to their needs (or something like that). Neither National Socialism which is commonly called Fascism, nor Soviet (nor Chinese) Communism ever made it to their purer forms.
Ultimately, in practice, they were just a bunch of (brutal) totalitarians spewing, at best, snippets of political theory while living large on the backs of slave labor, doling out relative prosperity to those who were sufficiently loyal and capable enough of making the whole show run.
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@Smokin Joe
( I wrote) Yup. A police state is a police state is a police state.
The New World Order is the ultimate police state.
( Smokin Joe replied) Yep, all hair splitting and doctrinal discussions aside, that is the bottom line.
A cat might have stripes like a tiger,or it might have spots or even be a solid color. That is irrelevant. What IS relevant is they are all still cats.
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okay, I was half-asleep when I wrote this. I'm seeing now that I misread your post. Oh, well, my post stands on its own, even if we're agreeing.
Neither National Socialism which is commonly called Fascism...
True, in the sense that fascism is a broader term, more than just the economics like National Socialism. But the Nazis were definitely referred to as fascists. Just watch old newsreels--and especially hear that we were fighting "fascists" even after Italy fell.
Plus, National Socialism and socialism are very different. Under socialism, the State owns the means of production. Under National Socialism, Messerschmidt continued to own their factories...they were just given orders and contracts by the government. The profits were retained by the private sector...very different from socialism!
I recommend Under the Axe of Fascism, by Gaetano Salvimini, published in 1936. He was an economist who lived under Mussolini and came to America to teach at Harvard. He describes fascist economics in detail. Note that the Fascist regime wasn't defined by one particular economics, but that regardless of changes, they were still Fascists.
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Oh Lord, here we go with the thread takeover again- topic: what form of oppressive government, but not to oppressive can best control radicalizm.
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True, in the sense that fascism is a broader term, more than just the economics like National Socialism. But the Nazis were definitely referred to as fascists. Just watch old newsreels--and especially hear that we were fighting "fascists" even after Italy fell.
Plus, National Socialism and socialism are very different. Under socialism, the State owns the means of production. Under National Socialism, Messerschmidt continued to own their factories...they were just given orders and contracts by the government. The profits were retained by the private sector...very different from socialism!
I recommend Under the Axe of Fascism, by Gaetano Salvimini, published in 1936. He was an economist who lived under Mussolini and came to America to teach at Harvard. He describes fascist economics in detail. Note that the Fascist regime wasn't defined by one particular economics, but that regardless of changes, they were still Fascists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ep6YVqc6Ks
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ep6YVqc6Ks
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OMG that's good! :laugh: @DCPatriot
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Colombo was and still is one of my favorite TV shows. One old episode he went to London and solved a murder with Scotland Yard.
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Colombo was and still is one of my favorite TV shows. One old episode he went to London and solved a murder with Scotland Yard.
The butler didn’t do it!
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The butler didn’t do it!
Always thought if I went into service, I'd be a chauffeur.
No one EVER said "The chauffeur did it." :tongue2:
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Always thought if I went into service, I'd be a chauffeur.
No one EVER said "The chauffeur did it." :tongue2:
That's true. Why do chauffeurs get a pass?
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That's true. Why do chauffeurs get a pass?
Its the hat/cap.
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London Bridge Attack: American Hit in Head by Police Bullet, Witness Says
LONDON — An American bystander was struck in the head by a stray bullet fired as police killed the London Bridge terrorists, an eyewitness told NBC News.
Authorities said the wounded civilian was expected to survive. Police have not revealed any details about the individual who was accidentally hit in the hail of 50 bullets that ended Saturday night's van-and-knife rampage.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/london-bridge-attack/london-bridge-attack-american-hit-head-police-bullet-witness-says-n768186
I hope he can fully recover. Not much in the way of details.
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@dfwgator
That was actually a really good movie.
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@DCPatriot
Mennonites?
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I hope he can fully recover. Not much in the way of details.
@TomSea
Well,since he was shot in the head and is expected to survive,it seems pretty clear to me he must be a Dim and was lucky to have been hit in a non-vital area.
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That's not real, is it?
No. It's not real. (http://www.theunshackled.net/rundown/fact-check-did-maxine-waters-blame-inaction-on-climate-and-healthcare-for-london-attacks-no/)
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That's not real, is it?
Look at the username. That's not a W, it's two Vs. Saw this with Huma's hubby as well.
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London attack: Men 'planned to use 7.5 tonne lorry'
By Tom Symonds Home Affairs correspondent
The London Bridge attackers tried to hire a seven-and-a-half tonne lorry to carry out their attack, police say.
But the three men failed to provide payment details and the vehicle was not picked up, prompting them to use a smaller van from a DIY store instead.
The men drove into pedestrians on the bridge before stabbing people in Borough Market seven days ago.
Police said the men tied 12in (30cm) pink ceramic knives to their wrists and had petrol bombs in the van.
Eight people were killed and dozens more were injured in the attack, which began shortly before 22:00 BST on 3 June.
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Khuram Shazad Butt, Rachid Redouane and Youssef Zaghba have been named as the attackers, who were all shot dead.
Two arrests
Scotland Yard wants more witnesses to come forward and is also appealing to companies who hire out vans to report any suspicious activity.
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