The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: libertybele on April 05, 2018, 09:45:55 pm
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You know darn well, he's going to run. He'll be the siphon for the DEM party! Kasich is nothing more than a RINO puke!
Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
John Kasich still wants to be president, and the failed 2016 candidate now thinks gun control, amnesty, his relationship with the “elites,†and Millennial voters can take him to the White House. In other words, he’s delusional.
The term-limited Republican governor of Ohio visited New Hampshire (insert big red 2020 flag here) this week and gave an unbelievable interview to Henry Gomez of BuzzFeed News. Kasich’s 2020 pitch, according to Gomez, will be framed around young people. The 65-year-old Kasich sang the praises of Millennials and strove to show how cool and hip he is because he likes pop music and uses social media.......
..............In Kasich’s telling, young people are not “cynical†like the adults. They are not attached to the two-party duopoly. And Kasich really likes that........
...........But he’s not pandering to Millennials solely by identifying with their sense of alienation from the two-party system or by touting his love for Justin Bieber. Kasich is also adopting their leftist positions. BuzzFeed News noted that following the surge of anti-gun activism among students, Kasich recently removed pro-gun messaging from his political website and is now promoting expanding background checks, banning bump stocks, and other gun-control measures. Kasich is also publicly challenging President Trump on amnesty. When the president tweeted “NO MORE DACA DEAL†on Easter in response to a “caravan†of Central American migrants headed towards the U.S., Kasich tut-tutted at the president on Twitter.......
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/kasichs-big-2020-strategy-move-left-pretend-hip-attack-trump/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/kasichs-big-2020-strategy-move-left-pretend-hip-attack-trump/)
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Somewhere I read that Kasich won about 5 counties outside Ohio.
Who else will try if Trump goes again in 2020 ??
Even McMuffin ?? Darrell Castle ?? Mitt Rominey ?? Jeff Flakey ?? Glenn Beck ?? Bill Kristol ??
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Let the maggot run, as a democrat. Or let him run in a primary as a repub. The problem would be if Mr Fantastic, in his own mind, ran an independent ticket.
Although, Kasick/POS he was running interference against Ted ... he might well do more damage to whatever Sanders type wins the democrat nomination. Giving the "moderate" not yet Comrade part of the democrat party somewhere to vote.
Maybe like a reverse Ross Perot.
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Kasich’s big 2020 strategy: Move left, pretend to be hip, attack Trump
So,it's business as usual with the RINO tools.
Who is surprised?
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Who else will try if Trump goes again in 2020 ??
@truth_seeker
All depends on how much luck they have working with the Dims to destroy him between now and then. If the wall is going up,illegals are being deported,and the economy is doing well,they will have to trot out a sacrificial lamb to take the hit. Some career RINO that plans on retiring anyhow.
On the other hand,if they and their Dim co-conspirators are successful at blocking all his efforts,there may be hundreds. There may even be a Kennedy or two running as Republicans. Not to mention illegal aliens,high school drop outs,and maybe even a few dead people.
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If Trump is still around in 2020 and runs, I'm voting for Kasich if he is the only one running against Trump. Dump on Kasich but he is not crazy. If he says something, he means it, you can depend on what he says. A conservative family member lives in Ohio, and has nothing bad to say about him.
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If Trump is still around in 2020 and runs, I'm voting for Kasich if he is the only one running against Trump. Dump on Kasich but he is not crazy. If he says something, he means it, you can depend on what he says. A conservative family member lives in Ohio, and has nothing bad to say about him.
I'm sorry, I'm all for keeping people honest, but the John Kasich we've seen since 2015 is not the same John Kasich who served Ohio in Congress and as governor. He has gone full Democrat in just about everything but name.
If it comes down to Trump, Kasich or whatever corrupt machine name the Democrats decide to throw at us, I'm staying home. I "threw away my vote" in 2016 and I'm well prepared to do it again until someone gives me someone to vote FOR.
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If Trump is still around in 2020 and runs, I'm voting for Kasich if he is the only one running against Trump. Dump on Kasich but he is not crazy. If he says something, he means it, you can depend on what he says. A conservative family member lives in Ohio, and has nothing bad to say about him.
@Victoria33
Gin is NOT the answer to life's problems.
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If Trump is still around in 2020 and runs, I'm voting for Kasich if he is the only one running against Trump. Dump on Kasich but he is not crazy. If he says something, he means it, you can depend on what he says. A conservative family member lives in Ohio, and has nothing bad to say about him.
My '16 primary choice.....
1. Cruz
2-15. (Everyone else)
16. Trump
17. Kasich.
That's how bad I disliked him. Even more than Trump.
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If Trump is still around in 2020 and runs, I'm voting for Kasich if he is the only one running against Trump. Dump on Kasich but he is not crazy. If he says something, he means it, you can depend on what he says. A conservative family member lives in Ohio, and has nothing bad to say about him.
I lived in OH and I can tell you the man is no conservative. He has this weird notion that government can and should use tax dollars to function as a charity organization. He’s a crypto-socialist.
Gov. Kasich said he recently told a state legislator, “I respect the fact that you believe in small government. I do too. I also happen to know that you’re a person of faith.â€
“Now, when you die and get to the, get to the, uh, to the meeting with St. Peter, he’s probably not gonna ask you much about what you did about keeping government small, but he’s going to ask you what you did for the poor,†Kasich said. “Better have a good answer.â€
Kasich leaned heavily on his Christian faith to push the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) Medicaid expansion during his February 19 State of the State address, implying the only options were to dramatically increase entitlement spending or leave Ohio’s poor “out in the street.â€
https://www.redstate.com/diary/jasonahart/2013/06/19/gov-kasich-god-wants-ohio-to-expand-medicaid/ (https://www.redstate.com/diary/jasonahart/2013/06/19/gov-kasich-god-wants-ohio-to-expand-medicaid/)
^^^ This isn’t what government is supposed to do. That’s some Pope Francis nonsense.
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Kasich hip? I guess it's hip to be square?
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Victoria wrote:
"If Trump is still around in 2020 and runs, I'm voting for Kasich"
And jmyrle replied:
"If it comes down to Trump, Kasich or whatever corrupt machine name the Democrats decide to throw at us, I'm staying home."
And I'll reckon that BOTH of you are wondering why the Republican candidates have been losing in all the recent elections, here and there? Because of... people like YOU.
I proudly voted for Mr. Trump in 2016, and will do so again in 2020.
I'm quite happy being the dunce that I know you're going to call me for saying so.
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Victoria wrote:
"If Trump is still around in 2020 and runs, I'm voting for Kasich"
And jmyrle replied:
"If it comes down to Trump, Kasich or whatever corrupt machine name the Democrats decide to throw at us, I'm staying home."
And I'll reckon that BOTH of you are wondering why the Republican candidates have been losing in all the recent elections, here and there? Because of... people like YOU.
I proudly voted for Mr. Trump in 2016, and will do so again in 2020.
I'm quite happy being the dunce that I know you're going to call me for saying so.
Exactly. We got people having the vapors why the GOP is losing specials, but when the rubber meets the road they are on vacation. Either get involved or shut the eff up.
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If Trump is still around in 2020 and runs, I'm voting for Kasich if he is the only one running against Trump. Dump on Kasich but he is not crazy. If he says something, he means it, you can depend on what he says. A conservative family member lives in Ohio, and has nothing bad to say about him.
IMHO, Kasich will do nothing more than split the GOP vote and hand the DEMS the white house (which I believe would be his intent), the very thing that he did while he was running for president. He didn't have a snowball's chance in hell as he hadn't won any states, yet he continued to stay in the race. He's a liberal. He's despicable. He looks like a demented windmill with his arms a flappin' and his jaws a yappin'.
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Kasich - hip?
:rolling:
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And berating me and those like me won't win your hero or your party any more support from us.
I'm not berating you to sway you. I'm berating you because it is fun. You guys roll in here throwing around your moral superiority like it matters. Guess what? No one gives a shit what you do. The fact that you keep repeating what you will not do like a mental patient is more of a display of your irrelevancy than anything anyone could say to you.
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Kasich is barely a republican now. No way he can move further left and still remain in the party.
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Kasich is barely a republican now. No way he can move further left and still remain in the party.
I don't know. If you look at the political spectrum as a circle, he should be coming back around to Right sometime around Autumn.
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Seems to me you all do care what many of us do since you spend an unusual amount of time beating us up regarding our choices. It makes you all furious that we will not march in lockstep with you and toe the party line. The thought of losing congress and maybe the presidency frightens you and the more frightened you are, the angrier at dissenters you become. You try to shame us or even frighten us, but I have news for you all. I for one am not intimidated by you or ashamed of the choices I made or will make this year or in 2020.
In other words, Trump fans, you too can kiss my fat fanny.
If I could, I think what @Frank Cannon is saying, in his particularly inelegant way, is that we can be outraged and angered all we want to, but without action to go along with the anger and outrage, we're not doing anything but virtue signalling. If we don't get out there and do our best to get reasonable candidates elected, then we are howling in the wilderness (to mix my metaphors and poets) without having any positive effect on a bad situation. I'm sure if I've gotten it wrong, Frank will correct me.
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Seems to me you all do care what many of us do since you spend an unusual amount of time beating us up regarding our choices. It makes you all furious that we will not march in lockstep with you and toe the party line. The thought of losing congress and maybe the presidency frightens you and the more frightened you are, the angrier at dissenters you become. You try to shame us or even frighten us, but I have news for you all. I for one am not intimidated by you or ashamed of the choices I made or will make this year or in 2020.
In other words, Trump fans, you too can kiss my fat fanny.
I'm just waiting for some of you to stop barking at Trump supporters and get back to targeting leftists.
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You guys roll in here throwing around your moral superiority like it matters. Guess what? No one gives a shit what you do. The fact that you keep repeating what you will not do like a mental patient is more of a display of your irrelevancy than anything anyone could say to you.
And you wonder why this country has gone to Hell. Maybe if they DID listen to me we wouldn't be in the situation we're in.
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If Trump is still around in 2020 and runs, I'm voting for Kasich if he is the only one running against Trump. Dump on Kasich but he is not crazy. If he says something, he means it, you can depend on what he says.
Right now, he is running pretty hard left. So if he actually means what he says, that's not a good sign. However, I'd point out that the article says "Kasich recently removed pro-gun messaging from his political website and is now promoting expanding background checks, banning bump stocks, and other gun-control measures." Which means that if he says someting, he means it...until he says the exact opposite. Then he means that.
A conservative family member lives in Ohio, and has nothing bad to say about him.
I'm an Ohioan as well, would not vote for him if he was running against Hillary or Bernie. If we won, he'd managed to get leftist social programs through Congress against which Republicans in Congress normally would fight.
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It makes you all furious that we will not march in lockstep with you and toe the party line. The thought of losing congress and maybe the presidency frightens you and the more frightened you are, the angrier at dissenters you become. You try to shame us or even frighten us, but I have news for you all. I for one am not intimidated by you or ashamed of the choices I made or will make this year or in 2020.
Honestly, you guys don't anger me at all. I just find your position fascinating/amusing, and I think I'm not alone in that. Many of you guys have cultivated this odd persecution complex to portray yourselves as "noble resisters" to Trump. I recall the pre-election hysteria over an obviously metaphorical comment about "hunting down with dogs" those who didn't support Trump. Yet folks here took it literally -- because that gave you more ammo to claim persecution. "Help! I'm being repressed!"
The whole thing is just really odd. It's like you guys are sitting on the sidelines squawking, and believe that the body politic is breathlessly waiting for you to re-enter the fray. But I don't think anyone really is. We're just staring in amusement at people claiming relevancy who have made themselves irrelevant.
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She previously stated that she would vote for Hillary Clinton, against Trump.
@Victoria33 said she voted for Hillary?
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The whole thing is just really odd. It's like you guys are sitting on the sidelines squawking, and believe that the body politic is breathlessly waiting for you to re-enter the fray. But I don't think anyone really is. We're just staring in amusement at people claiming relevancy who have made themselves irrelevant.
Yeah, it is people very proudly bragging about not voting for Trump, and threatening to not vote again for Trump.
It reminds me some, of people talking about the latest movies, and how they don't go to the movies.
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And you wonder why this country has gone to Hell.
I don't wonder about anything. I know exactly why the country has gone to hell. It's because people sit around wallowing in self pity whining about how shitty things are instead of doing anything about it. They wander around their depressed areas complaining why some magic unicorn company doesn't swoop into their Deadsville and bestow high paying jobs instead of getting off their asses and move to where things are happening. They whine about how terrible their love life is, their car is, their house is yet don't do a damn thing on their own to improve anything.
It's the Siren Song of all the Trump haters here. Reminiscing about how awesome it was when Cruz/McMuffin/Kasich/Random Loser ran for President, even though they lost their asses. Fit to be tied over Trump Twit Storms like they matter. Constantly waving articles from the Leftist MSM based on no sources or hard news just to fit their narrative even though a few years ago they were bashing these outlets. Desperate for everyone to feel the anxiety they feel 24/7. It's all a clown show.
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If I could, I think what @Frank Cannon is saying, in his particularly inelegant way, is that we can be outraged and angered all we want to, but without action to go along with the anger and outrage, we're not doing anything but virtue signalling. If we don't get out there and do our best to get reasonable candidates elected, then we are howling in the wilderness (to mix my metaphors and poets) without having any positive effect on a bad situation. I'm sure if I've gotten it wrong, Frank will correct me.
@Sanguine
I like it. It's classy. I'll start PM'ing you my posts from now on so you can upgrade up the verbiage.
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I don't wonder about anything. I know exactly why the country has gone to hell. It's because people sit around wallowing in self pity whining about how shitty things are instead of doing anything about it. They wander around their depressed areas complaining why some magic unicorn company doesn't swoop into their Deadsville and bestow high paying jobs instead of getting off their asses and move to where things are happening. They whine about how terrible their love life is, their car is, their house is yet don't do a damn thing on their own to improve anything.
It's the Siren Song of all the Trump haters here. Reminiscing about how awesome it was when Cruz/McMuffin/Kasich/Random Loser ran for President, even though they lost their asses. Fit to be tied over Trump Twit Storms like they matter. Constantly waving articles from the Leftist MSM based on no sources or hard news just to fit their narrative even though a few years ago they were bashing these outlets. Desperate for everyone to feel the anxiety they feel 24/7. It's all a clown show.
In other words, they're lazy.
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I don't wonder about anything. I know exactly why the country has gone to hell. It's because people sit around wallowing in self pity whining about how shitty things are instead of doing anything about it. They wander around their depressed areas complaining why some magic unicorn company doesn't swoop into their Deadsville and bestow high paying jobs instead of getting off their asses and move to where things are happening. They whine about how terrible their love life is, their car is, their house is yet don't do a damn thing on their own to improve anything.
And you've just made an excellent argument why the economy and the nation needs more immigrants - to keep watering the tree of opportunity.
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Truth (lack of) Seeker conveinently deleted the post I see. I don't remember Victoria33 saying that either. Wouldn't be the first Orange Slandered comment here.
Actually, it looks like @truth_seeker is correct:
Because Trump is insane, I would vote for Clinton rather than him and I may do that. She will not push the red button and destroy us but insane Trump likely will. If he kills us all, we will be dead because we didn't elect Clinton. I prefer to vote to stay alive. I will not chance my life and my family's life with Trump.
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Actually, it looks like @truth_seeker is correct:
Dang... then I retract, and will delete post. Why would she say that? Geez.
OTOH.... like I said earlier, there were 15 others in the primary that I prefered over the orange fool
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The only place you can still hear talk like that are on the cable news networks.
There’s always been a little left wing bias in the press as long as I can remember. But not until Trump came along have I seen them so frenzied out of their minds day and night. Every one of them over the top with hatred and anger. I’ve never seen anything like this.
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Yes, the media will love Kasich.
Then, in the unlikely chance, he actually gets the nomination, the media will turn him into the second coming of Hitler, just like they did with Romney.
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The new McCain
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The only place you can still hear talk like that are on the cable news networks.
There’s always been a little left wing bias in the press as long as I can remember. But not until Trump came along have I seen them so frenzied out of their minds day and night. Every one of them over the top with hatred and anger. I’ve never seen anything like this.
The slant, the bias, the outright distortions are now very open and notorious.
I spend zero time on network or cable news. I listen to Hannity and Levin on sat. radio. I spend time viewing youtubers like Ben Schapiro, Scott Adams, Jordan Peterson, David Ruben, etc.
And of course online Drudge, Free Republic for means of getting the news. Some AM radio, like if there is a fire or flood in Santa Barbara, you can't beat TV.
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I'm just waiting for some of you to stop barking at Trump supporters and get back to targeting leftists.
@skeeter @Applewood
You had better have the patience of a saint if that is the case because people like Applewood see non-party Republicans as a MUCH bigger threat than even Islam. Leftist wusses like JEB or one of the other usual suspects give them the vapors,though.
Local Republicans and semi-Republicans are firing up for local elections here,and sending out fliers. Seems like I get 3 or 4 each week from different Republicans I never heard of before,all touting their conservative credentials. ESPECIALLY on gun control. I was looking at one yesterday that hit all the spots and seemed to be a winner,and then he bragged about being a graduate of something like "The Bush School of Government". Not one chance in hell of ME voting for that SOB!
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I don't wonder about anything. I know exactly why the country has gone to hell. It's because people sit around wallowing in self pity whining about how shitty things are instead of doing anything about it. They wander around their depressed areas complaining why some magic unicorn company doesn't swoop into their Deadsville and bestow high paying jobs instead of getting off their asses and move to where things are happening. They whine about how terrible their love life is, their car is, their house is yet don't do a damn thing on their own to improve anything.
It's the Siren Song of all the Trump haters here. Reminiscing about how awesome it was when Cruz/McMuffin/Kasich/Random Loser ran for President, even though they lost their asses. Fit to be tied over Trump Twit Storms like they matter. Constantly waving articles from the Leftist MSM based on no sources or hard news just to fit their narrative even though a few years ago they were bashing these outlets. Desperate for everyone to feel the anxiety they feel 24/7. It's all a clown show.
@Frank Cannon
They sound like a bunch of 15 year old girl groupies from the mid-60's,arguing over who is the cutest Beatle,and how much they hate the Stones for taking record sales away from the Mop Tops,don't they?
And the saddest part of it most of them aren't even females.
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And you've just made an excellent argument why the economy and the nation needs more immigrants - to keep watering the tree of opportunity.
@Jazzhead
I know you are a musician,but don't you think you are too old now to still be taking hallucinogenic drugs?
What those people are doing is watering the legs of the Americans on the lower side of the economic scale by taking their jobs.
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And you've just made an excellent argument why the economy and the nation needs more immigrants - to keep watering the tree of opportunity.
By all means, please keep going around this forum telling us how conservative you are.
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The only place you can still hear talk like that are on the cable news networks.
There’s always been a little left wing bias in the press as long as I can remember. But not until Trump came along have I seen them so frenzied out of their minds day and night. Every one of them over the top with hatred and anger. I’ve never seen anything like this.
@aligncare
What I think has all their panties all in a wad is the role reversal,and them being on the losing side of it for the first time. When Trump was running,they were all secretly getting wood because they KNEW Trump was a NYC Billionaire,and hard-core Dim playing a role to steal the Christmas presents from the "Ebil Republicans" if by some miracle he managed to beat the Dim Goddess,Bubbette! They probably figured he was running to destroy any conservative that might have opposed her,and were positively orgasmic when he won because they figured he would take a hard left and turn into Rudy,Part 2.
Then the dirty bastid knifed them in the back by doing or trying to do everything he said he was going to do or try to do.
The GALL of the man!
It's usually the conservatives that get hit with that setup every election year,only to have the rug snatched out from under their feet after the election. Now it's the Dims,and they don't like it.
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Yes, the media will love Kasich.
Then, in the unlikely chance, he actually gets the nomination, the media will turn him into the second coming of Hitler, just like they did with Romney.
Precisely. And Trump got a lot of support from folks, that could see the probable outcome of nominating another such certain loser.
If you measure Trump on policy outcomes he should get very good ratings, from Republicans and Conservatives.
Virtually all o called Conservatives and Republicans still bitching about every little dauly foible, didn't vote for him anyway.
They voted for some no-chance guy, but think their voices should matter today.
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@Sanguine
I like it. It's classy. I'll start PM'ing you my posts from now on so you can upgrade up the verbiage.
888high58888
I'm glad I got it right.
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In other words, they're lazy.
Well....
I don't think the anti-Trumpers are lazy. But -- and I'm not saying this to be rude -- their error is in believing they are more important than they really are. They believe that the withholding of support will "teach the GOP a lesson", and that as a result, the party will change to become more aligned with their views. But "lessons" that come from withholding support are meaningless, because people withhold their votes for all sorts of very different reasons. Some may not have voted for him because he was too liberal. Others because he was too conservative. Maybe he was too rich, or too crude. Who the hell knows exactly why you, as an individual, didn't vote for someone? The point is that an abstention simply does not send a clear enough message to change anything, in any particular direction.
Voting for the person you want to win sends a message. Not voting for someone sends no message at all -- except perhaps to yourself, and family/friends whom you choose to tell. But in terms of how it impacts politics...the impact of not voting is zero.
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Well....
I don't think the anti-Trumpers are lazy. But -- and I'm not saying this to be rude -- their error is in believing they are more important than they really are. They believe that the withholding of support will "teach the GOP a lesson", and that as a result, the party will change to become more aligned with their views. But "lessons" that come from withholding support are meaningless, because people withhold their votes for all sorts of very different reasons. Some may not have voted for him because he was too liberal. Others because he was too conservative. Maybe he was too rich, or too crude. Who the hell knows exactly why you, as an individual, didn't vote for someone? The point is that an abstention simply does not send a clear enough message to change anything, in any particular direction.
Voting for the person you want to win sends a message. Not voting for someone sends no message at all -- except perhaps to yourself, and family/friends whom you choose to tell. But in terms of how it impacts politics...the impact of not voting is zero.
I just thank God that we're past the "not voting for X is a vote for Y".
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Dang... then I retract, and will delete post. Why would she say that? Geez.
OTOH.... like I said earlier, there were 15 others in the primary that I prefered over the orange fool
@RoosGirl
@catfish1957
I wrote that in July; other candidates, besides those two, were on the November ballot. I could vote for anyone and in Texas it would not matter, because Trump was going to take it. A vote for Hillary or anyone but Trump, meant nothing in Texas - neither did a blank in that space; that was the best choice. I will not vote for Trump in 2020 if he is still around and on the ballot. If it is him and someone else in the primary, I'll vote for that person and if it is Kasich only, I will vote for him. Plus, I will examine the Democrat selected after the primary if the Republican candidate is Trump.
I will not vote for Trump as I believe he has a serious personality disorder. His behavior is evidence of it every day. Mental health workers across the country believe it, too.
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@Sanguine
I like it. It's classy. I'll start PM'ing you my posts from now on so you can upgrade up the verbiage.
I'm sorry but you will need to get in line buddy.
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I will not vote for Trump as I believe he has a serious personality disorder. His behavior is evidence of it every day. Mental health workers across the country believe it, too.
Very valid to take the word of a group of activist Commie Pinkos shrinks with an agenda, who never sat down with the man, saying he has mental issues. It's not like it is a violation of ethics to make such diagnosis in that fashion. It is also irrelevant that some didn't even hold valid licenses to practice, because the issue is just too darn important. It is also extremely brilliant on your part to support John Kasich, a man who publicly stated that supporting Obamacare in his state was justified because Jesus told him too. Nothing even close to unstable with that comment.
It is a joy and pleasure reading your posts. You're a blessing to all of us and I look forward to you bestowing more of your keen insights and wisdom here so we all can be enlightened.
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It is a joy and pleasure reading your posts. You're a blessing to all of us and I look forward to you bestowing more of your keen insights and wisdom here so we all can be enlightened.
I second that. An if I might add, you are an absolute treasure and an asset to the board.
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I just thank God that we're past the "not voting for X is a vote for Y".
Yeah, that was a rhetorical point that was pushed long after its sell-by date. Not voting for anyone is...not a vote for anyone.
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Kasich looks viable as a spoiler if NeverTrumpers want to elect a rat instead. I don't know if I would take the time to support Kasich just to defeat Trump, but I might just to poke an eye in Trump supporters who are arguably more corrosive, obnoxious, and abusive than Trump himself. I really don't see much to lose...MAGAwise.
If the rats offers a candidate that embodies a rejection of the past southern rat xenophobia, a walk back from pro-union tariffs, and showing the respect of even paying lip-service on issues of abortion, limited government, and public debate and transparency before passing legislation, maybe I could vote for Kasich. If the rats choose an equally repugnant candidate as Trump I probably also vote for Kasich. I doubt he runs. I think he's just collecting money.
Kasich was low on my list of 17 last primary. Just above Trump and Cruz. If I thought he could beat Trump I would support him today with many fewer reservations than I had in 2016.
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@RoosGirl
@catfish1957
I wrote that in July; other candidates, besides those two, were on the November ballot. I could vote for anyone and in Texas it would not matter, because Trump was going to take it. A vote for Hillary or anyone but Trump, meant nothing in Texas - neither did a blank in that space; that was the best choice. I will not vote for Trump in 2020 if he is still around and on the ballot. If it is him and someone else in the primary, I'll vote for that person and if it is Kasich only, I will vote for him. Plus, I will examine the Democrat selected after the primary if the Republican candidate is Trump.
I will not vote for Trump as I believe he has a serious personality disorder. His behavior is evidence of it every day. Mental health workers across the country believe it, too.
As crazy and incompetent as Trump is, he is still a half a notch over the evil bitch Hillary
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It is also extremely brilliant on your part to support John Kasich, a man who publicly stated that supporting Obamacare in his state was justified because Jesus told him too. Nothing even close to unstable with that comment.
@Frank Cannon
You got a quote for that buddy? No. You don't.
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Kasich looks viable as a spoiler if NeverTrumpers want to elect a rat instead. ...
He does have some experience in that area.
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@Frank Cannon
You got a quote for that buddy? No. You don't.
John Kasich: A Theocrat the Left Can Love
By David French
February 9, 2016 8:40 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/02/john-kasich-liberals-favorite-christian-theocrat/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/02/john-kasich-liberals-favorite-christian-theocrat/)
I had a conversation with one of the members of the legislature the other day. I said, ‘I respect the fact that you believe in small government. I do, too. I also know that you’re a person of faith.
Now, when you die and get to the meeting with St. Peter, he’s probably not going to ask you much about what you did about keeping government small. But he is going to ask you what you did for the poor. You better have a good answer.
If Jesus were active in politics today, wouldn’t he be lobbying for the poor?
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And you've just made an excellent argument why the economy and the nation needs more immigrants - to keep watering the tree of opportunity.
Are you speaking of those legally coming here or illegally coming here?
If the latter, you are as stupid as stupid is.
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I don't wonder about anything. I know exactly why the country has gone to hell. It's because people sit around wallowing in self pity whining about how shitty things are instead of doing anything about it. They wander around their depressed areas complaining why some magic unicorn company doesn't swoop into their Deadsville and bestow high paying jobs instead of getting off their asses and move to where things are happening. They whine about how terrible their love life is, their car is, their house is yet don't do a damn thing on their own to improve anything.
It's the Siren Song of all the Trump haters here. Reminiscing about how awesome it was when Cruz/McMuffin/Kasich/Random Loser ran for President, even though they lost their asses. Fit to be tied over Trump Twit Storms like they matter. Constantly waving articles from the Leftist MSM based on no sources or hard news just to fit their narrative even though a few years ago they were bashing these outlets. Desperate for everyone to feel the anxiety they feel 24/7. It's all a clown show.
If you're going to start personally attacking me, you can go to Rochester for all I care, because unlike you, I don't hide behind a screen name. So F off.
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John Kasich: A Theocrat the Left Can Love
By David French
February 9, 2016 8:40 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/02/john-kasich-liberals-favorite-christian-theocrat/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/02/john-kasich-liberals-favorite-christian-theocrat/)
Like I said...
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If you're going to start personally attacking me, you can go to Rochester for all I care, because unlike you, I don't hide behind a screen name. So F off.
I don't see that as a personal attack. Seems pretty general. Vicious yes, but generally vicious.
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I don't see that as a personal attack. Seems pretty general. Vicious yes, but generally vicious.
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Hell, he's a natural-born world-shaker.
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Let me actually address this:
First of all, the reason I'm in the situation I'm in is my own fault. I royally screwed up when choosing my career path, thinking there'd be opportunity for me to do something practical, but the recession hit as soon as I graduated, and the job market has never been quite the same. So my life plans A (find work in my field, and yes, I would have gladly relocated back then, but there wasn't any), B (parlay my degree and experience into something better than where I was) and C (stick to my previous job until I found something better, then the place I worked went out of business) all crashed and burned. OK, maybe my foresight was bad, but given my skill set and talents, I didn't have many options. Everything I'm good at is grossly overcrowded or underpaid, and moving to a place with no connections is only going to make that worse.
Second of all, the same type of people Frank bashed as lazy losers for not dropping everything and moving somewhere where the jobs are supposedly so much better are the exact same ones that Donald Trump promised to help. Well? He's in office, now what?
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Very valid to take the word of a group of activist Commie Pinkos shrinks with an agenda, who never sat down with the man, saying he has mental issues. It's not like it is a violation of ethics to make such diagnosis in that fashion. It is also irrelevant that some didn't even hold valid licenses to practice, because the issue is just too darn important. It is also extremely brilliant on your part to support John Kasich, a man who publicly stated that supporting Obamacare in his state was justified because Jesus told him too. Nothing even close to unstable with that comment.
It is a joy and pleasure reading your posts. You're a blessing to all of us and I look forward to you bestowing more of your keen insights and wisdom here so we all can be enlightened.
I know some "mental health workers," that strongly support our President. One is a well known clinical psychologist, and another is retired VA psych nurse, still working.
I do layman's work, in psych too. I tell alcoholics to stop drinking, or it will kill them or worse yet, kill somebody else.
But a "psych" professional would bill them for yet another session about their inner child, their demons, their triggers, their abusive parents, etc. They would suggest the alcoholic not drink on the appointment day, until after the appointment.
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Let me actually address this:
First of all, the reason I'm in the situation I'm in is my own fault. I royally screwed up when choosing my career path, thinking there'd be opportunity for me to do something practical, but the recession hit as soon as I graduated, and the job market has never been quite the same. So my life plans A (find work in my field, and yes, I would have gladly relocated back then, but there wasn't any), B (parlay my degree and experience into something better than where I was) and C (stick to my previous job until I found something better, then the place I worked went out of business) all crashed and burned. OK, maybe my foresight was bad, but given my skill set and talents, I didn't have many options. Everything I'm good at is grossly overcrowded or underpaid, and moving to a place with no connections is only going to make that worse.
Second of all, the same type of people Frank bashed as lazy losers for not dropping everything and moving somewhere where the jobs are supposedly so much better are the exact same ones that Donald Trump promised to help. Well? He's in office, now what?
Wish I had the answers for you Myrle...if you were my son I would advise you but I do not feel that is my place.
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Second of all, the same type of people Frank bashed as lazy losers for not dropping everything and moving somewhere where the jobs are supposedly so much better are the exact same ones that Donald Trump promised to help. Well? He's in office, now what?
Now see here...I've been reading your posts for quite some time now, Myrle, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with you, you are as well-centered as they come. Illegitimi non carborundum, or more properly, Noli pati a scelestis opprimi. If you lived in my town I'd be offering you a libation at a local watering hole.
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Wish I had the answers for you Myrle...if you were my son I would advise you but I do not feel that is my place.
Same here. If I had time and the inclination I could write about all the strange and sometimes counter-productive turns my life has taken, in spite of my best attempts at planning otherwise. What a great ride it's been, regardless of the overturned plans littering the way.
Of course, that's in the past, and Myrle is looking towards a future that he can't discern yet. If I'd known how things were going to turn out, I wouldn't have wasted so much time and effort worrying about them.
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Let me actually address this:
First of all, the reason I'm in the situation I'm in is my own fault. I royally screwed up when choosing my career path, thinking there'd be opportunity for me to do something practical, but the recession hit as soon as I graduated, and the job market has never been quite the same. So my life plans A (find work in my field, and yes, I would have gladly relocated back then, but there wasn't any), B (parlay my degree and experience into something better than where I was) and C (stick to my previous job until I found something better, then the place I worked went out of business) all crashed and burned. OK, maybe my foresight was bad, but given my skill set and talents, I didn't have many options. Everything I'm good at is grossly overcrowded or underpaid, and moving to a place with no connections is only going to make that worse.
Second of all, the same type of people Frank bashed as lazy losers for not dropping everything and moving somewhere where the jobs are supposedly so much better are the exact same ones that Donald Trump promised to help. Well? He's in office, now what?
Well I'll address it if no one else will. First of all, you don't just up and move somewhere and hope to find a job. You search and apply for jobs, go on interviews and then relocate if you receive an offer that you want to accept.
Second of all, it's not your fault that you didn't have the forsight to see a crash coming, but it is your fault if you use that as an excuse not to move forward. Shit happens. I doubt there is anyone whose life has turned out exactly as they planned and hoped. And you really don't blame a POTUS for not making all your dreams come true. Make a new plan and move forward, and if that doesn't work make a new, new plan. Stop thinking you have no control over what happens to you.
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Now see here...I've been reading your posts for quite some time now, Myrle, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with you, you are as well-centered as they come. Illegitimi non carborundum, or more properly, Noli pati a scelestis opprimi. If you lived in my town I'd be offering you a libation at a local watering hole.
@jmyrlefuller
Hear! Hear! Well stated. I was searching for the right words and @Cyber Liberty posted them.
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Well I'll address it if no one else will. First of all, you don't just up and move somewhere and hope to find a job. You search and apply for jobs, go on interviews and then relocate if you receive an offer that you want to accept.
Second of all, it's not your fault that you didn't have the forsight to see a crash coming, but it is your fault if you use that as an excuse not to move forward. Shit happens. I doubt there is anyone whose life has turned out exactly as they planned and hoped. And you really don't blame a POTUS for not making all your dreams come true. Make a new plan and move forward, and if that doesn't work make a new, new plan. Stop thinking you have no control over what happens to you.
Sounds like what I would say. Work hard. Play hard. Take chances. Accept risks. Adapt. Plan but not too much.
My father always advised staying in a job for at least a year. So it wouldn't look bad on a resume. But if it isn't working out by then, leave for something else, hopefully better.
But don't sit too long in a rut going nowhere.
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Since this has turned into a Myrle advice Thread, I would like to add that a crazy woman is not necessarily better than no woman.
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Virtually all o called Conservatives and Republicans still bitching about every little dauly foible, didn't vote for him anyway.
They voted for some no-chance guy, but think their voices should matter today.
@truth_seeker
EXACTLY!
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Well I'll address it if no one else will. First of all, you don't just up and move somewhere and hope to find a job. You search and apply for jobs, go on interviews and then relocate if you receive an offer that you want to accept.
Second of all, it's not your fault that you didn't have the forsight to see a crash coming, but it is your fault if you use that as an excuse not to move forward. Shit happens. I doubt there is anyone whose life has turned out exactly as they planned and hoped. And you really don't blame a POTUS for not making all your dreams come true. Make a new plan and move forward, and if that doesn't work make a new, new plan. Stop thinking you have no control over what happens to you.
@RoosGirl
WELL SAID!
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@RoosGirl
WELL SAID!
Has anyone read Jordan Peterson's book, specifically the lobster part? Really enlightening.
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Has anyone read Jordan Peterson's book, specifically the lobster part? Really enlightening.
He's good, isn't he ??
I really get something from him, Ben Shapiro, Stefan Mollyneux, Scott Adams and a few others that can be found of youtube
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Since this has turned into a Myrle advice Thread, I would like to add that a crazy woman is not necessarily better than no woman.
Depends on how long since you've been with a woman....
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Has anyone read Jordan Peterson's book, specifically the lobster part? Really enlightening.
@Sanguine
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/23/23eca4a3467bf2981e2ac11af83b8260d768c5c0546721134b11d20e53f56e04.jpg)
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Roos wrote:
I just thank God that we're past the "not voting for X is a vote for Y".
I'm not "past it".
I've become a "party-ideological" voter.
I vote for the Republicans because I do what I must to (at least try) to prevent the democrat-communist candidate from winning.
I realize that -- in most cases -- a vote for any third-party candidate only INCREASES the possibility that the dem-communist candidate will win.
There are very, very few cases in which I WOULD NOT vote for the Republican candidate. For example, if I lived in Paul Ryan's district I would probably refrain from voting for him, that he might lose and we would be rid of him. I would NOT vote for the democrat-communist, but just withhold my vote altogether.
I cannot conceive of a situation in which I would ever vote (directly) for a democrat-communist candidate again.
Having written that, I'm not "Republican party über alles". Considering the state the party is in right now, I would prefer "a third way". But once again, Fishrrman's credo intrudes:
"Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be".
And that's why I vote the way I do.
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Roos wrote:
I just thank God that we're past the "not voting for X is a vote for Y".
I'm not "past it".
I think I will petition for your account to be frozen.
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@Sanguine
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/23/23eca4a3467bf2981e2ac11af83b8260d768c5c0546721134b11d20e53f56e04.jpg)
LOL. If I were as brilliant as Peterson, I could express it as clearly as he did.
But, this is a pretty good review:
That chapter is titled “Stand up straight with your shoulders back†and counsels readers to learn to stand up for themselves by, metaphorically speaking, embracing their inner lobster. The lobster, Peterson argues, shares many of the same neurological structures as its human cousin, especially those areas of the brain concerned with social hierarchies. Studies show that lobsters who lose enough fights (inter-lobster conflict being common on the ocean floor) and therefore lose their social status, stop producing serotonin, which leads to deep depression.
In other words, lobsters, like humans, become clinically depressed as they tumble down the social hierarchy. The lesson derived by Peterson is the need to change your self-destructive habits and take control of your life, thereby improving your social status and brain chemistry.
This does not mean joining a lobster-style fight club. Peterson draws on reams of studies to show that fundamental changes to personal habits such as sleep and exercise schedules can dramatically improve serotonin levels, thereby increasing the chance of personal success and fulfilment. From there he draws in stories from world mythology and religious texts to show that humans derive great meaning from overcoming psychological and social obstacles....
https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2018/01/22/jordan-peterson-on-embracing-your-inner-lobster-in-12-rules-for-life.html (https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2018/01/22/jordan-peterson-on-embracing-your-inner-lobster-in-12-rules-for-life.html)
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LOL. If I were as brilliant as Peterson, I could express it as clearly as he did.
But, this is a pretty good review:
Seems like it can be summed up as "Fake it 'til you make it."
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Roos wrote:
I just thank God that we're past the "not voting for X is a vote for Y".
I'm not "past it".
I've become a "party-ideological" voter.
I vote for the Republicans because I do what I must to (at least try) to prevent the democrat-communist candidate from winning.
I realize that -- in most cases -- a vote for any third-party candidate only INCREASES the possibility that the dem-communist candidate will win.
There are very, very few cases in which I WOULD NOT vote for the Republican candidate. For example, if I lived in Paul Ryan's district I would probably refrain from voting for him, that he might lose and we would be rid of him. I would NOT vote for the democrat-communist, but just withhold my vote altogether.
I cannot conceive of a situation in which I would ever vote (directly) for a democrat-communist candidate again.
Having written that, I'm not "Republican party über alles". Considering the state the party is in right now, I would prefer "a third way". But once again, Fishrrman's credo intrudes:
"Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be".
And that's why I vote the way I do.
Well said.
3,000,000 new jobs, ISIS on the ropes if not down and out, maybe North Korea to denuclearize. This is probably the best vote of my life; and I know, I must pray that these good things continue.
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Has anyone read Jordan Peterson's book, specifically the lobster part? Really enlightening.
Was that the part where you should stuff and broil instead of boil a late summer catch of lobster because it will add to the flavor profile? I totally agree.
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Seems like it can be summed up as "Fake it 'til you make it."
There's a lot more to it. It also helps explain why when you're down, it's very hard to break free, and why people on the bottom tend to make poor decisions.
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Was that the part where you should stuff and broil instead of boil a late summer catch of lobster because it will add to the flavor profile? I totally agree.
Ohh, I'm coming to your house for dinner.
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If you're going to start personally attacking me, you can go to Rochester for all I care, because unlike you, I don't hide behind a screen name. So F off.
First of all, hiding behind a screen name on a nebulous forum is Message Board Safety 101. I don't know who any of you people are, except for you of course. I'm sure there is an extortionist or identity thief somewhere around here.
As for the personal attack, that's bullshit. That screed is an overall indictment of what I find wrong with the mindset of people today. I am in a people business and I listen to excuses and bullshit all day long about why rent is late and their lives are shit. I tell them the same thing to their face as the Sheriff is hauling their belongings to the curb during an eviction. Life sucks. Why make it suck more by not trying to improve it and there is only one person that can do that.....you.
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@Sanguine Thanks for the book recommendation -- Scott Peterson sounds very interesting!
As far as Kasich goes, he was one Republican I actually considered during the 2016 primaries -- before his recent shift on gun policy. We disagreed on some issues, but I felt like he was "reasonable".
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@Sanguine Thanks for the book recommendation -- Scott Peterson sounds very interesting!
As far as Kasich goes, he was one Republican I actually considered during the 2016 primaries -- before his recent shift on gun policy. We disagreed on some issues, but I felt like he was "reasonable".
Laura, you're welcome. Let me know what you think if you read it.
And, yes, Kasich is reasonable for a leftist. Not sure why he identifies as someone on the other side of the dividing line - the side that believes in the rule of law, the bounds set by the Constitution, etc. But, then I wonder about a number of so called republicans.
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Roos wrote:
I just thank God that we're past the "not voting for X is a vote for Y".
I'm not "past it".
I've become a "party-ideological" voter.
I vote for the Republicans because I do what I must to (at least try) to prevent the democrat-communist candidate from winning.
I realize that -- in most cases -- a vote for any third-party candidate only INCREASES the possibility that the dem-communist candidate will win.
There are very, very few cases in which I WOULD NOT vote for the Republican candidate. For example, if I lived in Paul Ryan's district I would probably refrain from voting for him, that he might lose and we would be rid of him. I would NOT vote for the democrat-communist, but just withhold my vote altogether.
I cannot conceive of a situation in which I would ever vote (directly) for a democrat-communist candidate again.
Having written that, I'm not "Republican party über alles". Considering the state the party is in right now, I would prefer "a third way". But once again, Fishrrman's credo intrudes:
"Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be".
And that's why I vote the way I do.
Hey, I have a question. Suppose I die tomorrow in a horrible industrial meat-grinder accident, and can't vote in November because 1) I'm dead, and 2) don't live in Chicago.
Does my non-vote in November mean that I voted for the Democrat?
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Maj. Bill wrote:
"Does my non-vote in November mean that I voted for the Democrat?"
No.
It just means that you're dead.
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Maj. Bill wrote:
"Does my non-vote in November mean that I voted for the Democrat?"
No.
It just means that you're dead.
Well he can still vote. Democrat.
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@Victoria33 said she voted for Hillary?
She said that in 2020, if Trump is running again, she would not be voting for him, but would be looking pretty hard at the Dem candidate. If the Dem is anything like the past several, she would probably go third party. The post you are responding to looks a lot like the old "A vote for anybody but Trump is a vote for Hillary" argument.
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She said that in 2020, if Trump is running again, she would not be voting for him, but would be looking pretty hard at the Dem candidate. If the Dem is anything like the past several, she would probably go third party. The post you are responding to looks a lot like the old "A vote for anybody but Trump is a vote for Hillary" argument.
That ain't all she said. See Post #29.
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Laura, you're welcome. Let me know what you think if you read it.
And, yes, Kasich is reasonable for a leftist. Not sure why he identifies as someone on the other side of the dividing line - the side that believes in the rule of law, the bounds set by the Constitution, etc. But, then I wonder about a number of so called republicans.
@Sanguine Kasich is basically far too conservative about abortion to ever qualify as a Leftist or probably even a Democrat. At this point, anyone who signs anti-abortion laws is a Republican.
This is a political distinction I think the Democrats need to rethink.
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Hey, I have a question. Suppose I die tomorrow in a horrible industrial meat-grinder accident, and can't vote in November because 1) I'm dead, and 2) don't live in Chicago.
Does my non-vote in November mean that I voted for the Democrat?
Republicans have a duty not to die. Because sure as certainty if they do, their name will show up on the voter rolls as having switched parties and voted Democrat in the last election.
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@Sanguine Kasich is basically far too conservative about abortion to ever qualify as a Leftist or probably even a Democrat. At this point, anyone who signs anti-abortion laws is a Republican.
This is a political distinction I think the Democrats need to rethink.
You may be correct. The left is remarkably, um, uniform in its belief system. Diversity of thought is not allowed.
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Kasich will somehow take credit away from Trump for this remarkable achievement.
U.S. Postal Service says dog bite reports are down in Colorado
By - Associated Press - Saturday, April 7, 2018
DENVER (AP) — The U.S. Postal Service says mail carriers in Colorado experienced fewer attacks by dogs in 2017 than the year before.
The Postal Service released its annual report on dog bites this week.
In Colorado, 132 postal employees reported being attacked by dogs last year. The Postal Service says that is 24 fewer reports than in Colorado in 2016.
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/7/us-postal-service-says-dog-bite-reports-are-down-i/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/7/us-postal-service-says-dog-bite-reports-are-down-i/)
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You may be correct. The left is remarkably, um, uniform in its belief system. Diversity of thought is not allowed.
I actually think we're seeing the beginnings of a split in the Democratic Party, which I would greatly appreciate. I would like to see more tolerance for different opinions and compromise across the political spectrum.
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Not to derail the thread here, but first off, I only said what I said yesterday because I wanted to make note that I take responsibility for my own actions and certainly do not overestimate my importance as was claimed. I am well aware of my shortcomings. While I understand the empathy/sympathy, I don't really need or want it. Prayers, I'll gladly accept; the Lord works miracles, and I'm well aware that the task I am up against is daunting. I will get through this, one way or another.
However, belittling people as insignificant nothings with over-inflated self-importance because they publicly dare to state how they might vote DOES NOT HELP the situation, and dragging my personal situation into it (veiled or otherwise) was totally uncalled for. If I wanted high-school level bullying, I'd find out whatever channel David Hogg is on today and listen to his pontifications. I do matter, maybe not any more than anyone else, but I do, and even if I didn't, I have the right to have an opinion.
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I'd like to remind those who sing praises about Kasich that he, and Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper, a Democrat, have discussed the idea of a joint run for the White House in 2020.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-kasich/republican-kasich-democrat-hickenlooper-mull-joint-white-house-run-media-idUSKCN1B5240 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-kasich/republican-kasich-democrat-hickenlooper-mull-joint-white-house-run-media-idUSKCN1B5240)
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Not to derail the thread here, but first off, I only said what I said yesterday because I wanted to make note that I take responsibility for my own actions and certainly do not overestimate my importance as was claimed. I am well aware of my shortcomings. While I understand the empathy/sympathy, I don't really need or want it. Prayers, I'll gladly accept; the Lord works miracles, and I'm well aware that the task I am up against is daunting. I will get through this, one way or another.
However, belittling people as insignificant nothings with over-inflated self-importance because they publicly dare to state how they might vote DOES NOT HELP the situation, and dragging my personal situation into it (veiled or otherwise) was totally uncalled for. If I wanted high-school level bullying, I'd find out whatever channel David Hogg is on today and listen to his pontifications. I do matter, maybe not any more than anyone else, but I do, and even if I didn't, I have the right to have an opinion.
Since someone mentioned a book recommendation....
For my son's 18th birthday, he's getting one gift -- A leather-bound copy of Marcus Aurelius' "Meditations". It's a book I wish I'd read when I was much younger, and so I'm giving it to my son so he can gain that wisdom younger than I did.
It's basically a collection of short bits of wisdom the Emperor jotted down over the course of his life nearly 2000 years ago. The essence of it is "how to be a good man", but it's kind of broader than that. It's also a guide for how to live life.
Just a suggestion if you're looking for a book to help you navigate life. It's been enormously valuable for me.
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Since someone mentioned a book recommendation....
For my son's 18th birthday, he's getting one gift -- A leather-bound copy of Marcus Aurelius' "Meditations". It's a book I wish I'd read when I was much younger, and so I'm giving it to my son so he can gain that wisdom younger than I did.
It's basically a collection of short bits of wisdom the Emperor jotted down over the course of his life nearly 2000 years ago. The essence of it is "how to be a good man", but it's kind of broader than that. It's also a guide for how to live life.
Just a suggestion if you're looking for a book to help you navigate life. It's been enormously valuable for me.
Well stated, sir. Just wanted to add that Aurelius "Meditiations" was a life changing read for me as well...would that we had a Marcus Aurelius in modern politics to save the day! Aurelius understood that life is a about balance, acceptance and having the humility to see our place in this universe in all its glory and insignificance...the paradox of who we are.
I'd recommend Cicero's "On the Good Life"...another great man of deep wisdom, more practical than Aurelius and perhaps a bit more optimistic about human nature. A man who can incorporate Cicero and Aurelius into his daily life is destined to be content with all things as they are.
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Since someone mentioned a book recommendation....
For my son's 18th birthday, he's getting one gift -- A leather-bound copy of Marcus Aurelius' "Meditations". It's a book I wish I'd read when I was much younger, and so I'm giving it to my son so he can gain that wisdom younger than I did.
It's basically a collection of short bits of wisdom the Emperor jotted down over the course of his life nearly 2000 years ago. The essence of it is "how to be a good man", but it's kind of broader than that. It's also a guide for how to live life.
Just a suggestion if you're looking for a book to help you navigate life. It's been enormously valuable for me.
I just read the first couple of books, and downloaded it to my Kindle. Thanks! Eight bucks.
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If Trump is still around in 2020 and runs, I'm voting for Kasich if he is the only one running against Trump. Dump on Kasich but he is not crazy. If he says something, he means it, you can depend on what he says. A conservative family member lives in Ohio, and has nothing bad to say about him.
Sound like Bernie and John could take up together. I know I am not going in that direction. It is either a person with a believable faith in God and love for family or I am not voting.
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Sound like Bernie and John could take up together. I know I am not going in that direction. It is either a person with a believable faith in God and love for family or I am not voting.
Somebody mentioned upthread that Kasich is buttering up Chickenpooper, Dem from Colorado, for a 2020 ticket.
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Somebody mentioned upthread that Kasich is buttering up Chickenpooper, Dem from Colorado, for a 2020 ticket.
Yes, Kasich and the Pooper have been in discussion about 2020. Kasich wants to demonstrate that he has the ability to work across party lines. His intent is only to disrupt those conservatives within the GOP.
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Well stated, sir. Just wanted to add that Aurelius "Meditiations" was a life changing read for me as well...would that we had a Marcus Aurelius in modern politics to save the day! Aurelius understood that life is a about balance, acceptance and having the humility to see our place in this universe in all its glory and insignificance...the paradox of who we are.
I'd recommend Cicero's "On the Good Life"...another great man of deep wisdom, more practical than Aurelius and perhaps a bit more optimistic about human nature. A man who can incorporate Cicero and Aurelius into his daily life is destined to be content with all things as they are.
To me, there is something exhilarating about men who lived 2000 years ago sharing wisdom that is still so applicable today. It demonstrates a shared humanity of immense durability.
I'll take the Cicero recommendation as well. I've some of his speeches, but the book looks great.
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Yes, Kasich and the Pooper have been in discussion about 2020. Kasich wants to demonstrate that he has the ability to work across party lines. His intent is only to disrupt those conservatives within the GOP.
Maybe his intent is to devise a new coalition that can appeal to those turned off by extremism from both the right and the left. Is there a place in either party these days for someone who's conservative on economic/fiscal matters but moderate on social issues?
I have disagreements with the man, but he strikes me as having a good head and a good heart.
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Maybe his intent is to devise a new coalition that can appeal to those turned off by extremism from both the right and the left. Is there a place in either party these days for someone who's conservative on economic/fiscal matters but moderate on social issues?
I have disagreements with the man, but he strikes me as having a good head and a good heart.
It's more likely he wants to reprise the spoiler role he played in 2016 against an as-yet unknown opponent. He'd love to be the one to undermine Trump in the Primaries sufficiently to damage Trump enough to make him either lose in the Primaries or lose in the General Election.
I don't think Kasich is a good man at all.
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Maybe his intent is to devise a new coalition that can appeal to those turned off by extremism from both the right and the left. Is there a place in either party these days for someone who's conservative on economic/fiscal matters but moderate on social issues?
I have disagreements with the man, but he strikes me as having a good head and a good heart.
In all seriousness, how is Kasich conservative on economic/fiscal issues? He's apparently fallen for the "Jesus was a socialist" fallacy, and equates government spending with personal contributions to the poor. When every government spending decisions is measured against "would Jesus give them this money"....there isn't much (if any) room less for economic/fiscal conservatism. I think he's probably to the left of where Bill Clinton was.
He's one Republican for whom I would not vote even if he was running against Kamala Harris, Bernie, Warren, or a leftist of similar ilk.
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In all seriousness, how is Kasich conservative on economic/fiscal issues? He's apparently fallen for the "Jesus was a socialist" fallacy, and equates government spending with personal contributions to the poor. When every government spending decisions is measured against "would Jesus give them this money"....there isn't much (if any) room less for economic/fiscal conservatism. I think he's probably to the left of where Bill Clinton was.
He's one Republican for whom I would not vote even if he was running against Kamala Harris, Bernie, Warren, or a leftist of similar ilk.
It depends on what sort of conservatism floats your boat. Kasich developed a reputation as a budget and deficit hawk while a Congressman; he even opposed the B-2 bomber if I recall on such grounds.
If you care about deficits and their long-term impact on future generations, I'd say Kasich is a darn good choice. I think he would also have the courage to tackle entitlement reform. He also has a consistent pro-life record. But if conservatism and Christianity to you means telling the old and the poor and the infirm and the addicted to go to hell, then, sure, Kasich isn't going to have much appeal. His heart's not made of stone.
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IBut if conservatism and Christianity to you means telling the old and the poor and the infirm and the addicted to go to hell, then, sure, Kasich isn't going to have much appeal. His heart's not made of stone.
You're in prime form today, @Jazzhead. (applause)
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Carr: Pathetic ‘kinetic’ John Kasich thinks he can be a contender
Howie Carr
Wednesday, April 11, 2018
Is there any more pathetic governor than John Kasich?
Actually, now that I think about it: maybe one, Gov. Charlie “Tall Deval†Baker.
They do have a couple of things in common. They’re RINOs — Republicans in Name Only — and they’re on the lam.
Tall Deval fled Boston yesterday, lammed it down Route 24 to Westport for a chamber of commerce gathering with some very ethical Bristol County statesmen. Maybe he wanted to deliver a personal check to the brand-new legal-defense fund that Fall River Mayor Jasiel Correia has just set up for himself … .
But as far as Tall Deval was concerned, hobnobbing with the local criminal class beat being photographed with Vice President Mike Pence, who was in Boston at the Langham Hotel for a $15,000-a-head GOP fundraiser. God forbid the governor should get political Âcooties from his old pal in the Republican Governors Association. ...
Kasich is barnstorming the Granite State in his spare time, of which he seems to have plenty, as a “thoughtful, intelligent, kinetic person.†Those are the words of the Concord Monitor, which is even more worthless in a Republican primary than the Union Leader. In other words, he’s “grown†and “evolved.†To put it more bluntly, Kasich hates Trump. That makes him kinetic, I guess.
Did you know that Kasich is the son of a mailman? In 2016, the voters said, “Return to Sender.†He was the last GOP candidate Trump pinned a nickname on. The moniker: “One-for-38,†for the number of primaries he a) won, and b) ran in. ... More at Boston Herald (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2018/04/carr_pathetic_kinetic_john_kasich_thinks_he_can_be_a_contender)
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Carr: Pathetic ‘kinetic’ John Kasich thinks he can be a contender
Howie Carr
Wednesday, April 11, 2018
Is there any more pathetic governor than John Kasich?
None that I can think of. :shrug:
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None that I can think of. :shrug:
Well, there is Charlie Crist and Jeb!
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Well, there is Charlie Crist and Jeb!
I miss those Crist steak house's up here's
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I miss those Crist steak house's up here's
Guess he didn't have time to run restaurants and chase ambulances at the same time. Heard he gave the restaurants to someone named Ruth. I suspect that old broad that sleeps through court cases, but I have no proof of that.
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She looks like someone associated with @Frank Cannon
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Who the Rochester is responsible for relighting this used diaper of a thread?
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Well, there is Charlie Crist and Jeb!
True but their careers are pretty much over. The demented windmill wants to make another lame attempt at running for president so he can take votes away from the GOP and put a DEM in the oval office. He's a flippin' jack rabbit!
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Who the Rochester is responsible for relighting this used diaper of a thread?
:nometalk:
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Who the Rochester is responsible for relighting this used diaper of a thread?
Who in the heck in their right mind would spend $70 for a Kasich diaper bag??
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Who in the heck in their right mind would spend $70 for a Kasich diaper bag??
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I can think of one poster.....
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Who in the heck in their right mind would spend $70 for a Kasich diaper bag??
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Noooo! He's really that serious?
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Noooo! He's really that serious?
I don't know if he is, but somebody seems to be. @Frank Cannon nails it a couple posts up.
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What better to carry around a bunch of shit in.
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Noooo! He's really that serious?
Hard to believe, I know but he has a pretty 'warped' base. Looks like Arnold is hoping he runs too; nothing like one RINO endorsing another. :rolling:
https://www.cafepress.com/+john-kasich+diaper-bags (https://www.cafepress.com/+john-kasich+diaper-bags)
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/politics/arnold-schwarzenegger-john-kasich-2020/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/politics/arnold-schwarzenegger-john-kasich-2020/index.html)
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What better to carry around a bunch of shit in.
888high58888
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It depends on what sort of conservatism floats your boat. Kasich developed a reputation as a budget and deficit hawk while a Congressman; he even opposed the B-2 bomber if I recall on such grounds. If you care about deficits and their long-term impact on future generations, I'd say Kasich is a darn good choice. I think he would also have the courage to tackle entitlement reform. He also has a consistent pro-life record. But if conservatism and Christianity to you means telling the old and the poor and the infirm and the addicted to go to hell, then, sure, Kasich isn't going to have much appeal. His heart's not made of stone.
@Jazzhead
A true post about Kasich. Thanks.
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@Jazzhead
A true post about Kasich. Thanks.
Thanks, @Victoria33 There is simply no way to balance the budget without entitlement reform. Trump's promise to his base that he wouldn't touch entitlements is among the most irresponsible - and ultimately cowardly - things he's done.
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So, Kasich is a thrifty socialist?
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@Sanguine
@Jazzhead
Kasich, twice, balanced our US budget; it has not been balanced since he left congress. I would vote for him.
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So, Kasich is a thrifty socialist?
LOL. Yup. Notice how they have to go back 25 years to show that John Boy was a fiscal Conservative? That was so long ago that right wing David Brock was attacking the Clintoons and Pontiac thought the Aztec was a good idea.
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@Sanguine
@Jazzhead
Kasich, twice, balanced our US budget; it has not been balanced since he left congress. I would vote for him.
Kasich balanced our budget?
He's also horrible on illegal immigration and the Constitution. I couldn't vote for him, but I'm not trying to persuade you of anything. Just stating the facts, ma'am.
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@Sanguine
@Jazzhead
I would vote for him.
So what's the total up to now? Three??
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So what's the total up to now? Three??
Three? You've voting for him too? *bouche*
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Three? You've voting for him too? *bouche*
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LOL. Yup. Notice how they have to go back 25 years to show that John Boy was a fiscal Conservative? That was so long ago that right wing David Brock was attacking the Clintoons and Pontiac thought the Aztec was a good idea.
The aztek was a great idea but some butt muncher at corporate was dropping acid when he approved the redesign. If they would have let the Auto show Concept design loose it would have been a winner.
Oh and back to the topic. Screw Jonh Kasich and the nag he road in on.
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Three? You've voting for him too? *bouche*
Only if it will upset you.
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The aztek was a great idea but some butt muncher at corporate was dropping acid when he approved the redesign.
GM did sell the Aztec with better styling and it sold well. It was called the Buick Rendezvous....
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Oh yeah. Back on topic. Kasich blows.
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Only if it will upset you.
RIV - it was just a little gentle joshing. No need to bite.
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RIV - it was just a little gentle joshing. No need to bite.
Come on. What type of mamby pamby bullshit retort is that? Tell her what you really feel. Don't hold back.
(This place is dead this morning and I'm bored. We need a good Friday morning cat fight.)
Oh yeah. Back on topic. Kasich sucks.
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Depends on the girls.
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Kitchen girl fight...my favorite venue! Now where's my sandwich?
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You know they're fighting over the Mayo vs Miracle Whip debate....