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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: corbe on September 19, 2016, 07:06:11 pm
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The Texan, facing his own tough race in 2018, has to decide how hard to campaign for fellow senators he's antagonized for years.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/ted-cruz-senate-republicans-228121#ixzz4KjK7CewM (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/ted-cruz-senate-republicans-228121#ixzz4KjK7CewM)
Didn't see this posted (did a search). It's from last Tuesday but contains some new INFO.
Please DELETE if already posted.
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'Twas posted.
But in light of Preibus's threat to republican office holders who don't endorse Trump its good to be reminded that it came just days after Cruz handed over $100k from his war chest to be distributed to republicans senate candidates.
Rince is a worm of the lowest order.
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It's not Ted's problem, he didn't create this situation - he was the one who fought hardest to avoid this situation.
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Can anyone give me an example of when the Senate Republicans supported Cruz on any of his attempts to either fight Obama on any principle, whether it be Obama care or anything else?
The senate and the "party" fought him tooth and nail from the day he got to Washington because he would not blend in and become a good little senator from Texas and do what they told him to do.
They can go to hell and I, as well as many other Texans, will support him financially and with our votes the next time he runs and I can damn well guarantee he will be re-elected and once again will give them hell.
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Contrast the TWO Tea party darlings of Rubio and Cruz. Cruz was a bug UP their A$$ most always, Rubio, well Gang of 8.
And who does Sarah Palin and the Trumpsters hate worse (she campaigned for both)?
Screw the GOP, and that ol mule they rode in on!
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They can go to hell and I, as well as many other Texans, will support him financially and with our votes the next time he runs and I can damn well guarantee he will be re-elected and once again will give them hell.
right on.
Ted C will have no problem raising the money he needs to campaign with, I hear he has $20 million in political funds leftover from the primaries.
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'Twas posted.
But in light of Preibus's threat to republican office holders who don't endorse Trump its good to be reminded that it came just days after Cruz handed over $100k from his war chest to be distributed to republicans senate candidates.
Rince is a worm of the lowest order.
He and the current republican "leadership" in Washington have killed the party!
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Can anyone give me an example of when the Senate Republicans supported Cruz on any of his attempts to either fight Obama on any principle, whether it be Obama care or anything else?
The senate and the "party" fought him tooth and nail from the day he got to Washington because he would not blend in and become a good little senator from Texas and do what they told him to do.
They can go to hell and I, as well as many other Texans, will support him financially and with our votes the next time he runs and I can damn well guarantee he will be re-elected and once again will give them hell.
The House and Senate were able to make big spending cuts. Cruz did nothing special. He did cost tax payers millions.
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The House and Senate were able to make big spending cuts. Cruz did nothing special. He did cost tax payers millions.
And mindless drivel posts like that confirm that you are a Trump cheerleader, which automatically makes you a Leftist Statist.
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Can anyone give me an example of when the Senate Republicans supported Cruz on any of his attempts to either fight Obama on any principle, whether it be Obama care or anything else?
The senate and the "party" fought him tooth and nail from the day he got to Washington because he would not blend in and become a good little senator from Texas and do what they told him to do.
They can go to hell and I, as well as many other Texans, will support him financially and with our votes the next time he runs and I can damn well guarantee he will be re-elected and once again will give them hell.
So Politico says Ted's going to have a tough race in 2018? I'll be flying the Gonzales flag in honor of Ted during the primary season.
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@Frank Cannon If you would stop arguing with @TomSea, I could go back to never seeing his drivel again.
PS: It bothers me that 'Canon' appears to have fallen down and can't get up, I'm beginning to think that maybe 'You don't need another Drink'.
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It's not Ted's problem, he didn't create this situation - he was the one who fought hardest to avoid this situation.
:amen:
He not only fought in the primaries, but also during his years of service in the Senate. He has always been a clear voice for the direction the Pub party should go. We are where we are today because the elites in the Pub party didn't listen to Sen Cruz, but instead undercut him at every opportunity. Trump is just a reflection of the anger people feel for not being represented by those they elected to represent them.
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A poll has already come out showing Rick Perry to be preferred by Texans over Cruz in a Senate run in 2018.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/perry-cruz-senate-2018/2016/08/18/id/744174/
Be the renegade and let's see where that gets you.
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No problem for the "principled" Cruz to have a rally with Trump, be allies with Trump, move his immigration stance closer to Trump. So, Cruz was fighting harder against Trump than anyone? Yeah, we see that.
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2015/12/11/us/11firstdraft-cruztrump/11firstdraft-cruztrump-tmagArticle.jpg)
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Can anyone give me an example of when the Senate Republicans supported Cruz on any of his attempts to either fight Obama on any principle, whether it be Obama care or anything else?
The senate and the "party" fought him tooth and nail from the day he got to Washington because he would not blend in and become a good little senator from Texas and do what they told him to do.
They can go to hell and I, as well as many other Texans, will support him financially and with our votes the next time he runs and I can damn well guarantee he will be re-elected and once again will give them hell.
Hell yeah!
:hands:
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No problem for the "principled" Cruz to have a rally with Trump, be allies with Trump, move his immigration stance closer to Trump. So, Cruz was fighting harder against Trump than anyone? Yeah, we see that.
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Careful there. Your Cruz-hate slip is showing. :laugh:
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A poll has already come out showing Rick Perry to be preferred by Texans over Cruz in a Senate run in 2018.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/perry-cruz-senate-2018/2016/08/18/id/744174/
Be the renegade and let's see where that gets you.
Ted against Governor Goodhair Gardasil? :silly:
Perry doesn't want to be a Senator, not after being a Governor. Besides, he's getting old too.
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Rich irony about Cruz hatred coming from the 24/7/365 Hate Trump crew.
#NeverTrump: #NeverRight
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Well, I'm one of those who cussed Cruz (and Perry, and Rubio, and all the others) for mollycoddling Trump during the early primaries. That was a huge mistake, but they all thought they could pick up the leavings when Trump got crushed.
Not a big fan of Ted Cruz, but, if the Trumpkins are against him come 2018, I'll work like hell to get him reelected. There is something seriously wrong with those vengeful jerks.
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And mindless drivel posts like that confirm that you are a Trump cheerleader, which automatically makes you a Leftist Statist.
My thoughts exactly.
Well, then there's the quip of referencing us as 'Constitution worshippers'.
So he's outed himself a Liberal Statist supporter, despite his Barbara Streisand that he was a Cruz supporter.
No he wasn't. No one bashes Cruz like this guy does and gets to claim he supported him in the primary.
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Rich irony about Cruz hatred coming from the 24/7/365 Hate Trump crew.
#NeverTrump: #NeverRight
It is right for liberty-minded Constitutional Conservatives to automatically eschew and 'hate' lifelong Leftist megalomaniacal tyrant-wannabe Statists, no matter what party they claim to belong to/represent or what letter they put after their name.
The fact the Trump militant spewed vitriol on Cruz from the moment he announced made it abundantly clear to me early on that the Democrat Leftists would pretend to be 'Conservatives' to get their dream ticket of two NYC liberals on the ticket at the same time.
But we plan to hate Liberal Statism every moment of every day from no matter who pushes it.
Especially from the likes of you people:
#ForeverTrump: #ForeverFascist
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And even more double-rich irony...
considering that most of the hate against Trump only came about AFTER Trump went on a vicious hate Cruz rampage and led his sheeple to do the same thing, viciously maligning Cruz just because Cruz's numbers were creeping up on Trump.
#AlwaysTrump = #AlwaysWrong
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And mindless drivel posts like that confirm that you are a Trump cheerleader, which automatically makes you a Leftist Statist.
A Trump cheerleader that "claims" to have voted for Ted Cruz, no less!
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Rich irony about Cruz hatred coming from the 24/7/365 Hate Trump crew.
#NeverTrump: #NeverRight
There is nothing ironic about hating a man who used slander and lies to gain a position of influence for which he is unqualified.
But the hypocrisy is more than rich among those who continue to attack the man at whom the slander and lies were primarily aimed, who refrained from responding until his family was similarly maligned, who publicly congratulated the slandering liar upon the latter's victory, and who has now reverted to silence on the matter in order to support the party.
@aligncare
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Not a big fan of Ted Cruz, but, if the Trumpkins are against him come 2018, I'll work like hell to get him reelected. There is something seriously wrong with those vengeful jerks.
I feel the same way. Every reservation I may have about Cruz pales in comparison to my desire to kick every Trumpkin's arse I can. At least Cruz stands for the Constitution. The Trumpkins want to pee on it.
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There is nothing ironic about hating a man who used slander and lies to gain a position of influence for which he is unqualified.
But the hypocrisy is more than rich among those who continue to attack the man at whom the slander and lies were primarily aimed, who refrained from responding until his family was similarly maligned, who publicly congratulated the slandering liar upon the latter's victory, and who has now reverted to silence on the matter in order to support the party.
@aligncare
This comment is spot on!
Sen Cruz is hated by the leftists, the establishment, and the populists because he knows what he believes. He knows why he believes it/ He fights for what he believes in and they don't have any of those qualities.
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There is nothing ironic about hating a man who used slander and lies to gain a position of influence for which he is unqualified.
But the hypocrisy is more than rich among those who continue to attack the man at whom the slander and lies were primarily aimed, who refrained from responding until his family was similarly maligned, who publicly congratulated the slandering liar upon the latter's victory, and who has now reverted to silence on the matter in order to support the party.
@aligncare
The math is simple but few will do the equation. At least in public for fear of upsetting others. I have no such quams.
If a person supports a person that employed liberal tactics, that person approves of those tactics. Both people 'is a liberal'. They can say they are conservative 10,000,000 times and it will not change the fact they are a liberal supportive of liberalism.
Doesn't matter who that person is. Friend, family, online, offline. Support liberals, support liberalism, and one is a liberal.
If we would simply stand on the truth of that when these degenerates make excuses for trying to wreck good people, the world would be a better place.
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It's not Ted's problem, he didn't create this situation - he was the one who fought hardest to avoid this situation.
Exactly!
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The math is simple but few will do the equation. At least in public for fear of upsetting others. I have no such quams.
If a person supports a person that employed liberal tactics, that person approves of those tactics. Both people is a liberal. They can say they are conservative 10,000,000 times and it will not change the fact they are a liberal supportive of liberalism.
Doesn't matter who that person is. Friend, family, online, offline. Support liberals, support liberalism, and one is a liberal.
If we would simply stand on the truth of that when these degenerates make excuses for trying to wreck good people, the world would be a better place.
Enabling bad behavior has never led to anything good.
Its like paying a drug addict to stay sober. They might stay sober long enough to get a meal and feel good about themselves for a while but as soon as the cravings start, its all over.
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Did I say something that was incorrect? The pages here at TBR don't drip with Trump hatred? (Fess up now, guys -- you know who you are)
(Oh, and too, any criticism of Ted Cruz, it seems, is taken as hatred for him. Just my casual observation, but I don't think that to be true...
....While the lovely remarks y'all make about Donald Trump are lauded as astute political analysis. :silly: Sorry, couldn't help myself, but it is funny)
#NeverTrump #NeverRight #ButtHurtNation
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Did I say something that was incorrect? The pages here at TBR don't drip with Trump hatred? (Fess up now, guys -- you know who you are)
(Oh, and too, any criticism of Ted Cruz, it seems, is taken as hatred for him. Just my casual observation, but I think that's not true...
....While the lovely remarks y'all make about Donald Trump are lauded as astute political analysis. :silly: Sorry, couldn't help myself, but it is funny)
#NeverTrump #NeverRight #ButtHurtNation
Considering your prior comments RE: FR and your game playing, nothing you say holds any value.
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No problem for the "principled" Cruz to have a rally with Trump, be allies with Trump, move his immigration stance closer to Trump. So, Cruz was fighting harder against Trump than anyone? Yeah, we see that.
No, WE don't. Cruz talked about a Wall in 2011. Where was Trump? Hiring Illegals?
And if Cruz and Trump were such buddies, then Trump's perfidy is all the more damning.
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@aligncare
Your avatar is at least a quart low. The eyes aren't brown.
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No, WE don't. Cruz talked about a Wall in 2011. Where was Trump? Hiring Illegals?
And if Cruz and Trump were such buddies, then Trump's perfidy is all the more damning.
I find it endlessly entertaining that these people were all in favor of TC when they thought it would help elect a liberal. But when it turned out that unlike the liberal they support, TC was a principled conservative, they did what all liberals do. they cast him aside and did their damnedest, to this day I may add, to destroy him.
So whats entertaining? Simple. They think no one noticed. Speaks to their mindset.
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I find it endlessly entertaining that these people were all in favor of TC when they thought it would help elect a liberal. But when it turned out that unlike the liberal they support, TC was a principled conservative, they did what all liberals do. they cast him aside and did their damnedest, to this day I may add, to destroy him.
So whats entertaining? Simple. They think no one noticed. Speaks to their mindset.
Notice that Ted Cruz is one of the loudest voices raising the alarm about Obama fixin to hand the internet over to the UN for regulation in just a few days.
Have you heard Trump mention it?
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Can anyone give me an example of when the Senate Republicans supported Cruz on any of his attempts to either fight Obama on any principle, whether it be Obama care or anything else?
The senate and the "party" fought him tooth and nail from the day he got to Washington because he would not blend in and become a good little senator from Texas and do what they told him to do.
They can go to hell and I, as well as many other Texans, will support him financially and with our votes the next time he runs and I can damn well guarantee he will be re-elected and once again will give them hell.
Right. Except for a handful of senators like Mike Lee, the rest of the Senate was too busy collecting their paychecks and perks to actually work for the good of the people and this nation. They didn't like this young upstart doing what he promised the voters he would do. Ted Cruz showed them up, exposing them for the lying snakes they are.
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Notice that Ted Cruz is one of the loudest voices raising the alarm about Obama fixin to hand the internet over to the UN for regulation in just a few days.
Have you heard Trump mention it?
Cruz has sounded the call against a lot of things Trump and his supporters want that align carefully with the Obama agenda. Which is why he must be destroyed politically and personally. He is stopping the trains from running on time.
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Cruz has sounded the call against a lot of things Trump and his supporters want that align carefully with the Obama agenda. Which is why he must be destroyed politically and personally. He is stopping the trains from running on time.
Seems to me that they've ignored the warning of Reagan and expect Trump to fix everything for them.
He won't.
(http://i.imgur.com/9NMb5Zy.png)
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So, let me get this straight. #NeverTrump hates Donald Trump so bad they're willing to accept a Hillary presidency for 4 or 8 years, so that Ted Cruz is set up in 2020 or 2024 to swoop down from on high, on the backs of heavenly Angels, and be elected president to save America. Have I got that right?
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So, let me get this straight. #NeverTrump hates Donald Trump so bad they're willing to accept a Hillary presidency for 4 or 8 years, so that Ted Cruz is set up in 2020 or 2024 to swoop down from on high, on the backs of heavenly Angels, and be elected president to save America. Have I got that right?
You get this straight! I don't hate anyone and I don't vote for liberals!
Donald Trump and Hillary Clintoon are BOTH liberals!
You got that?
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So, let me get this straight. #NeverTrump hates Donald Trump so bad they're willing to accept a Hillary presidency for 4 or 8 years, so that Ted Cruz is set up in 2020 or 2024 to swoop down from on high, on the backs of heavenly Angels, and be elected president to save America. Have I got that right?
No, you don't have that right. Are you unable to read the post immediately above yours, quoting Reagan to the effect that effective government is based on values rather than on hero worship?
You asked earlier in this thread whether you had said anything incorrect. Pure snark cannot be evaluated as correct or incorrect, it is merely snark.
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Notice that Ted Cruz is one of the loudest voices raising the alarm about Obama fixin to hand the internet over to the UN for regulation in just a few days.
Have you heard Trump mention it?
You won't. The MSM want the internet controlled. They want to be the Ministry of Truth again. Don't expect it to get any airtime.
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You won't. The MSM want the internet controlled. They want to be the Ministry of Truth again. Don't expect it to get any airtime.
Trump has said he wants to bring in guys like Bill Gates to "close up" certain parts of the internet.
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So, let me get this straight. #NeverTrump hates Donald Trump so bad they're willing to accept a Hillary presidency for 4 or 8 years, so that Ted Cruz is set up in 2020 or 2024 to swoop down from on high, on the backs of heavenly Angels, and be elected president to save America. Have I got that right?
No, you are wrong as always.
YOU and yours made a Hillary "presidency" a foregone inevitability the moment you lofted Trump as your prince and assisted him in personally and vindictively destroying every Conservative in the primary.
Technically, YOU would own Hildabeast's coronation were this election legit. All you did in reality is help the Oligarchy perpetrate the greatest fraud ever foisted upon a nation. And you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Besides, no man, politician, party or movement is going to save America.
Period.
We don't elect monarchs, messiahs or dictators.
But that is what you people demand.
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@Frank Cannon If you would stop arguing with @TomSea, I could go back to never seeing his drivel again.
PS: It bothers me that 'Canon' appears to have fallen down and can't get up, I'm beginning to think that maybe 'You don't need another Drink'.
@corbe .....I have pneumonia.
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You get this straight! I don't hate anyone and I don't vote for liberals!
Donald Trump and Hillary Clintoon are BOTH liberals!
You got that?
Who you vote for is your own business. I don't care. Got that?
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@corbe .....I have pneumonia.
"Let's hope it's nothing trivial." - Irvin S. Cobb
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Who you vote for is your own business. I don't care. Got that?
Yeah! Right! That's why you spend so much time building strawmen in an effort to get me to change it.
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Yeah! Right! That's why you spend so much time building strawmen in an effort to get me to change it.
The ultimate strawman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs)
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Who you vote for is your own business. I don't care. Got that?
BWHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAA!!!
Your fruits on this board declare such a statement beyond bovine excrement.
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No problem for the "principled" Cruz to have a rally with Trump, be allies with Trump, move his immigration stance closer to Trump. So, Cruz was fighting harder against Trump than anyone? Yeah, we see that.
Ted had the same position when he first ran for Senate in 2011, back when Trump wanted open borders and praised the DREAMERS
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Who you vote for is your own business. I don't care. Got that?
The question is have *you* got that @aligncare. What you post going forward will provide the answer, reasoned and intellectually honest pro-Trump-vote arguments in the mode of @Maj. Bill Martin and @don-o , or continued snark?
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Ted had the same position when he first ran for Senate in 2011, back when Trump wanted open borders and praised the DREAMERS
Last I checked, Donny is back to his 2011 position.
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The question is have *you* got that @aligncare. What you post going forward will provide the answer, reasoned and intellectually honest pro-Trump-vote arguments in the mode of @Maj. Bill Martin and @don-o , or continued snark?
I know of no logical way that anyone could square 'reasoned' and voting for any documented liberal. The two are mutually exclusive concepts. Supporters of a liberal are by definition, supporters of liberalism. It can't be any other way.
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I know of no logical way that anyone could square 'reasoned' and voting for any documented liberal. The two are mutually exclusive concepts. Supporters of a liberal are by definition, supporters of liberalism. It can't be any other way.
Just as evil is evil, lesser, greater, it all serves the same master.
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Perry will be the next senator from Texas, Texans don't like backstabbers who break promises.
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Did I say something that was incorrect?
Constantly.
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So, let me get this straight. #NeverTrump hates Donald Trump so bad they're willing to accept a Hillary presidency for 4 or 8 years, so that Ted Cruz is set up in 2020 or 2024 to swoop down from on high, on the backs of heavenly Angels, and be elected president to save America. Have I got that right?
As usual, nope.
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Perry will be the next senator from Texas, Texans don't like backstabbers who break promises.
You're not from Texas, are you?
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If you count going to Washington and keeping your promises to your constituents and holding your leadership to their promises ANTAGONIZING, then let me buy you a new dictionary.
Cruz is the author of the best single piece of advice in this election year - vote your conscience.
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Perry will be the next senator from Texas, Texans don't like backstabbers who break promises.
Perry has backtracked during his time as Governor as well, as those of us who live here know.
More times over than Cruz.
BTW, I thought this Cruz fella was irrelevant now?
There sure seems to be a lot of people talking about him today on various TBR forums, for some one who is so irrelevant, that's pretty odd!
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Perry will be the next senator from Texas, Texans don't like backstabbers who break promises.
Governor Goodhair has quite the record of liberal policies dating back to when the democRATs ran our legislature. Of course any actual Texan would know that.
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Cruz is the author of the best single piece of advice in this election year - vote your conscience.
Labor to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire, called conscience.
-George Washington
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Who you vote for is your own business. I don't care. Got that?
Hahaha! Your actions speak much louder than these 13 words.
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I know of no logical way that anyone could square 'reasoned' and voting for any documented liberal. The two are mutually exclusive concepts. Supporters of a liberal are by definition, supporters of liberalism. It can't be any other way.
There are a few who have reached the conclusion, perhaps with reluctance and definitely with acknowledgement of his manifest shortcomings, that they must support Trump in the hope that he will be better for the US military. While I don't share in that hope I do respect it, as I respect those who express it with fairness and tact, and I won't reduce their position to a label.
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There are a few who have reached the conclusion, perhaps with reluctance and definitely with acknowledgement of his manifest shortcomings, that they must support Trump in the hope that he will be better for the US military. While I don't share in that hope I do respect it, as I respect those who express it with fairness and tact, and I won't reduce their position to a label.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. I think it is entirely consistent for folks to cast a vote for Trump based on the very narrow scope of a couple of issues, so long as they are honest in their approach.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you on that. I think it is entirely consistent for folks to cast a vote for Trump based on the very narrow scope of a couple of issues, so long as they are honest in their approach.
The only people I question are those who say they will vote for Hillary or Stein. I'm no fan of Johnson, but he was a two term governor of NM. I'm still holding out hope that Trump will consistently act more Presidential from now until November, but the trend isn't good.
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I'm still holding out hope that Trump will consistently act more Presidential from now until November, but the trend isn't good.
I have to admit that he does seem to be acting more Presidential lately, and that is a good thing for him and his supporters. My problem is that I just don't believe it. I think his change in behaviour has Roger Ailes' fingerprints all over it and in the future, if Trump wins, he will go back to his lunatic self.
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I have to admit that he does seem to be acting more Presidential lately, and that is a good thing for him and his supporters. My problem is that I just don't believe it. I think his change in behaviour has Roger Ailes' fingerprints all over it and in the future, if Trump wins, he will go back to his lunatic self.
And I'm with @CSM here. Trump has had some good things to say in recent weeks, things I believe myself. The problem is that his trend of rambling narcissistic lunacy is already so well-established that it can't be overcome in my mind. It is completely obvious that he is simply reading words that others have put in front of him, or attaching his name to written statements provided by others, rather than saying what he actually believes.
I have no problem with someone using speechwriters and media coaches to craft the message. My problem is when the candidate obviously cares nothing for the message or is ignorant of its meaning and implications because his prior, independent statements included no portion of the message or even contradicted it. A "bolt on" platform, recited on cue for political expediency, simply doesn't cut it.
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Great advice, Cruz. Especially since it was given at the Republican nominating convention! Vote your conscience and help Hillary Clinton becomes president and destroy your nation for the next two generations. "But, you'll feel good about yourself!" Stupid advice, Cruz. Everyone votes their conscience.
But he make sure everyone got the idea. "Let's all divide the vote" and give the worst, and most liberty-dangerous Democrat ever a good shot at the White House.
Dumb advice, Cruz, dumb. For being so smart, you were really dumb and butthurt at the convention. It was obvious for everyone to see: sour grapes.
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Vote your conscience and help Hillary Clinton becomes president and destroy your nation for the next two generations. "But, you'll feel good about yourself!" Stupid advice, Cruz.
Two things that liberal Statists HATE, whether they be Hillary/Obama's Marxists or Trump's militant Populist Nationalist fascists; they hate your exercise of liberty and they hate that anyone would follow their conscience if it does not bow down and support their Dear Leader.
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There are a few who have reached the conclusion, perhaps with reluctance and definitely with acknowledgement of his manifest shortcomings, that they must support Trump in the hope that he will be better for the US military. While I don't share in that hope I do respect it, as I respect those who express it with fairness and tact, and I won't reduce their position to a label.
Yeah. Trump has such a high opinion of the military. Why just last night, on O'Reilly, he said this:
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Great advice, Cruz. Especially since it was given at the Republican nominating convention! Vote your conscience and help Hillary Clinton becomes president and destroy your nation for the next two generations. "But, you'll feel good about yourself!" Stupid advice, Cruz. Everyone votes their conscience.
But he make sure everyone got the idea. "Let's all divide the vote" and give the worst, and most liberty-dangerous Democrat ever a good shot at the White House.
Dumb advice, Cruz, dumb. For being so smart, you were really dumb and butthurt at the convention. It was obvious for everyone to see: sour grapes.
Conservatives have been begging the African American community to stop their blind allegiance to the D party and to start voting their conscience. But now we want folks to have blind allegiance to their party and to not vote their conscience.
It gets so confusing.
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Stupid advice, Cruz. Everyone votes their conscience.
If his advice was so mundane that everyone will do it anyway, then why was it stupid and objectionable? It can only be objectionable if you advocate that people vote against their own conscience, in which case your statement contradicts itself because you've plainly stated that "everyone votes their conscience."
So was Cruz's advice in fact not objectionable since everyone votes their conscience, or do people not vote their own conscience hence his advice is objectionable? Which part of your position do you choose to maintain?
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Conservatives have been begging the African American community to stop their blind allegiance to the D party and to start voting their conscience. But now we want folks to have blind allegiance to their party and to not vote their conscience.
It gets so confusing.
Inconsistency is one of the few areas where Trump is consistent.
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If his advice was so mundane that everyone will do it anyway, then why was it stupid and objectionable? It can only be objectionable if you advocate that people vote against their own conscience, in which case your statement contradicts itself because you've plainly stated that "everyone votes their conscience."
I think this characterization of Cruz's comments might be valid in the abstract, but not if you consider it in the specific context in which it was made. The biggest story entering the Convention was the debate over addition of a "Conscience Clause", which would have permitted delegates whom voters bound to Trump to be unbound, and vote for someone other than Trump. That gave "conscience" a very particularized, specific meaning at the RNC -- not voting for Trump.
I personally took Cruz's deliberate inclusion and emphasis of that phrase to be meant applied in that particular context, and therefore, his "vote your conscience" urging was really a thinly- veiled urging to not vote for Trump. I believe that's why the reaction to his speech was what it was, and why he made the statements he did to his own constituents the following morning. He didn't even try to play the innocent card "Oh, I really didn't mean anything by it." He was pretty specific about not being a "lapdog", etc., and not giving his support to a man who had insulted him and his family.
Anyway, that's my reading of what happened. Obviously, others may interpret that differently.
I'll also say that as much as I dislike Trump, Cruz's speech still bothered me. But I admittedly was a pretty visceral "I won't vote for Trump" guy myself for quite awhile, and it took me time to get over that. Ted has recently come out and, while not endorsing Trump, has absolutely hammered Hillary. So maybe his (completely understandable) personal offense at what Trump said has waned a bit, and he's now going to work to see Hillary defeated.
In other words, I respect where he has ended up in this campaign, and why.
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Anyway, that's my reading of what happened. Obviously, others may interpret that differently.
Although I do interpret differently, as always I find your analysis reasoned and fair-minded. Your standard of intellectual honesty is a good mark for us all.
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Great advice, Cruz. Especially since it was given at the Republican nominating convention! Vote your conscience and help Hillary Clinton becomes president and destroy your nation for the next two generations. "But, you'll feel good about yourself!" Stupid advice, Cruz. Everyone votes their conscience.
But he make sure everyone got the idea. "Let's all divide the vote" and give the worst, and most liberty-dangerous Democrat ever a good shot at the White House.
Dumb advice, Cruz, dumb. For being so smart, you were really dumb and butthurt at the convention. It was obvious for everyone to see: sour grapes.
If anyone seems butthurt around here, it's you with your incessant complaining about Ted Cruz. Grow up.
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Although I do interpret differently, as always I find your analysis reasoned and fair-minded. Your standard of intellectual honesty is a good mark for us all.
Thanks. It's easy to be honest when you're truly torn and can see both sides. I've made my decision, but it wasn't easy and I can see why others may come to a different conclusion.
It's a shame that so many others have made this personal, because it does damage to the movement and the party that likely will last beyond this election, when what really will be needed is for generally like-minded folks to band together.
Trump won't have destroyed the GOP or conservative movement. We'll have done it to ourselves.
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There are a few who have reached the conclusion, perhaps with reluctance and definitely with acknowledgement of his manifest shortcomings, that they must support Trump in the hope that he will be better for the US military. While I don't share in that hope I do respect it, as I respect those who express it with fairness and tact, and I won't reduce their position to a label.
@HoustonSam
Which is why this division seems so bizarre to me.
I know, and I understand, the JFK, Heidi Tweets, etc.
So Cruz has made I choice not to outwardly support Trump, yet he is doing nothing in the background to harm him, and has, in fact, gone after Hillary regularly.
There are plenty of Texans who will vote for Trump for President now, and will also vote for Cruz for Senate in 2018.
This article was about how Cruz is trying to keep a senate majority, yet you would think he attacked Trump, the way everyone seems to be responding.
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@HoustonSam
Which is why this division seems so bizarre to me.
I know, and I understand, the JFK, Heidi Tweets, etc.
So Cruz has made I choice not to outwardly support Trump, yet he is doing nothing in the background to harm him, and has, in fact, gone after Hillary regularly.
There are plenty of Texans who will vote for Trump for President now, and will also vote for Cruz for Senate in 2018.
This article was about how Cruz is trying to keep a senate majority, yet you would think he attacked Trump, the way everyone seems to be responding.
I can only conclude that many in the pro-Trump camp, including the candidate himself, the candidate's family, and many posting here, are more motivated by petty personal animus than by any vision of what is truly good for the US. Cruz has not spoken a single negative word about Trump since he (Cruz) suspended his candidacy the night of the Indiana primary, and is working hard toward a continued Republican majority in the Senate and to make the case against Hillary, all of which helps Trump.
But apparently that is not good enough, unless he kisses the ring of the man who lied about and slandered his family.
It's amazing. But it does clarify a lot of things about a lot of people. And clarity is a good thing to have.
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The only people I question are those who say they will vote for Hillary or Stein. I'm no fan of Johnson, but he was a two term governor of NM. I'm still holding out hope that Trump will consistently act more Presidential from now until November, but the trend isn't good.
That's why I will vote for the Constitution Party candidate Darrell Castle, as much to promote the Party Platform based on Original Intent as for the man.
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Conservatives have been begging the African American community to stop their blind allegiance to the D party and to start voting their conscience. But now we want folks to have blind allegiance to their party and to not vote their conscience.
It gets so confusing.
No confusion involved. Both Parties have 'plantations'. The Republican Party has been treating Constitutional Conservatives like the Democrat Party has been treating minorities. The Republicans have paid lip service, and occasionally tossed the Conservatives a bone, but aren't as likely to follow through on their lip service as the Democrats. They both treat their captive voters with contempt because they don't think they have anywhere else to go.
It's time to wreck that concept and get off the plantation.