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Trump draws his line in the sand on abortion as Republicans try to find their footing on pivotal subject
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April 8, 2024 8:20 am
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After months of dodging questions about his thoughts on abortion, former President Donald Trump said abortion laws should be left up to the states.

In an announcement on Truth Social on Monday, Trump said he was proud to be the president responsible for overturning Roe v. Wade. In 2016, Trump campaigned on appointing right-leaning justices to the Supreme Court who would overturn Roe.

“My view is now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps both, and whatever they decide must be the law of the land,” Trump said. “In this case, the law of the state.”

“Many states will be different. Many will have a different number of weeks, or some will have more conservative than others, and that’s what they will be,” Trump said.

Trump’s position drew fire from anti-abortion heavyweight group Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, which had a close relationship with the former president’s administration but has criticized him since he left office.

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Trump draws his line in the sand on abortion as Republicans try to find their footing on pivotal subject
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Annabella Rosciglione
April 8, 2024 8:20 am
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After months of dodging questions about his thoughts on abortion, former President Donald Trump said abortion laws should be left up to the states.

In an announcement on Truth Social on Monday, Trump said he was proud to be the president responsible for overturning Roe v. Wade. In 2016, Trump campaigned on appointing right-leaning justices to the Supreme Court who would overturn Roe.

“My view is now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps both, and whatever they decide must be the law of the land,” Trump said. “In this case, the law of the state.”

“Many states will be different. Many will have a different number of weeks, or some will have more conservative than others, and that’s what they will be,” Trump said.

Trump’s position drew fire from anti-abortion heavyweight group Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, which had a close relationship with the former president’s administration but has criticized him since he left office.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2957228/trump-draws-line-in-sand-abortion-as-republicans-try-find-footing-pivotal-subject/


This is where Trump may run in trouble with aspects of his base. I agree with this statement here that it should be left up to the states.  But both sides are going to require he take a position. Now, The left isn’t going to vote for him anyway, so it doesn’t matter


However, enough  religious voters could decide no way to him.


My position on abortion has always been similar to Rush Limbaugh’s. You don’t pass a mess of laws. You work to change  the hearts and minds of people
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The position is sensible, but give him 5 minutes and he will contradict himself. 

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This is where Trump may run in trouble with aspects of his base. I agree with this statement here that it should be left up to the states.  But both sides are going to require he take a position. Now, The left isn’t going to vote for him anyway, so it doesn’t matter


However, enough  religious voters could decide no way to him.


My position on abortion has always been similar to Rush Limbaugh’s. You don’t pass a mess of laws. You work to change  the hearts and minds of people

My position is, and always has been, that the federal government doesn't have any authority over it currently.
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The position is sensible, but give him 5 minutes and he will contradict himself. 
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However, enough  religious voters could decide no way to him.

This is already a contradiction to his promise to come up with an abortion path that everyone would agree with.

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My position on abortion has always been similar to Rush Limbaugh’s. You don’t pass a mess of laws. You work to change  the hearts and minds of people

Mine is not so cavalier, nor is it in agreement with it being an issue for the states... But I will take it. Roe was wrong on its face, so it was right that it would be overturned.

But it remains in error.
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I am personally pro-life

But I also understand that it’s the pregnant woman  that has to deal with the consequence of whatever she decides to do with her pregnancy. Not me. Not the state’s. But the pregnant woman herself

But I do agree with posters who believe that Trump’s position will probably change again somewhere down the road. He’s already changed his mind already. No reason to think he’ll flip-flop again

I think he believes that this will placate the left somewhat  and he figures that evangelical voters will vote for him regardless of his position. I have a hunch that we’re going to see Donald Trump’s second term more geared towards showing the New York Times that he’s not such a bad guy. He won’t need the votes anymore of his rally attendees
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   In the 9 years Trump has been on the scene as a Republican politician he has gone from believing in partial birth abortion to this, remarkable. 

   I smell Ivanka and political reality colliding.
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I am personally pro-life

But I do agree with posters who believe that Trump’s position will probably change again somewhere down the road. He’s already changed his mind already.


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Trump’s official abortion stance is amazing

- Wants states to make decisions on restrictions, as long as it’s not late term

- Exceptions for rape, incest, life of the mother

- Strong support for IVF and fertility treatments

This is how we win


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   In the 9 years Trump has been on the scene as a Republican politician he has gone from believing in partial birth abortion to this, remarkable. 

 

Which, as history shows, may change again

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trumps-many-abortion-positions-timeline-rcna146601


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Bill Mitchell: " No Federal abortion law. He favors IVF.  Exceptions for rape, incest and to defend the life of the mother.  I completely agree with this. Trump just took abortion off the table for 2024. Brilliant.". (Video)



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He's changing his stance from September of last year -- he'll change it again. 

https://www.axios.com/2023/09/17/trump-abortion-federal-state-regulations
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Mark Levin:  "President Trump’s superb statement on abortion". (Video)


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   Not surprisingly, Trump looks less Orange than Mark Levin in the posted Video Avatar above.
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He's changing his stance from September of last year -- he'll change it again. 


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Which, as history shows, may change again

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trumps-many-abortion-positions-timeline-rcna146601


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He backpedals on many issues.  This is just one.  The 2A is another.  It all depends on what 'group' he's trying to appease at the time.
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He's changing his stance from September of last year -- he'll change it again. 

https://www.axios.com/2023/09/17/trump-abortion-federal-state-regulations

Try February 2024:

Trump Privately Expresses Support for a 16-Week Abortion Ban

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/us/politics/trump-abortion-ban.html

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Former President Donald J. Trump has told advisers and allies that he likes the idea of a 16-week national abortion ban with three exceptions, in cases of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother, according to two people with direct knowledge of Mr. Trump’s deliberations.

Mr. Trump has studiously avoided taking a clear position on restrictions to abortion since Roe v. Wade was overturned in the middle of 2022, galvanizing Democrats ahead of the midterm elections that year. He has said in private that he wants to wait until the Republican presidential primary contest is over to publicly discuss his views, because he doesn’t want to risk alienating social conservatives before he has secured the nomination, the two people said.

I wonder how long it will take before he changes his mind again, depending on which way the political winds are blowing?
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Some don't seem to understand the concept of (insert latest number here) dimensional chess

Whatever stance Trump takes on any given issue at any given moment, his supporters will marvel at the "brilliant" stance he took
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   I would certainly agree with the Trumpers that he is indeed playing multi-dimensional whatever but clearly the Board is one-dimensional.

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Bill Mitchell: " No Federal abortion law. He favors IVF.  Exceptions for rape, incest and to defend the life of the mother.  I completely agree with this. Trump just took abortion off the table for 2024. Brilliant.". (Video)


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Biden wants to make this election about abortion. If he does, he wins. End of story. Trump just took that strategy away from Biden, but some Republicans want to give it back to Biden.   Trumps decision was consistent with the Supreme Courts decision on Roe v Wade, and quite frankly it surprised me a bit. I was sure he would run on banning abortion beyond xx weeks nationwide or something.   

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After months of dodging questions about his thoughts on abortion, former President Donald Trump said abortion laws should be left up to the states.

Wow, Trump finally adopted a Conservative position?  What brought that on?


A timeline of Trump's many, many positions on abortion

Since 1999, Trump has been on just about every side of the abortion issue. Here's a timeline of his many positions.
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