BREAKING....Thread 9...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON

[GtHawk]

If anyone knows about nonsense, at least speaking it....

[mystery-ak]

Netanyahu to Biden, Sullivan: ‘There Is No Way’ Other than Rafah Invasion

Netanyahu: “I made it as clear as possible to the President that we are determined to complete the elimination of these battalions in Rafah, and there is no way to do this without a ground incursion.”

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/19/netanyahu-to-biden-sullivan-there-is-no-way-rafah-invasion/

[mystery-ak]

Report: Biden to Consider Cutting Arms to Israel over ‘Human Rights’

National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan confirmed Monday that the Biden Administration would consider cutting off arms sales to Israel if it did not submit a report explaining how its use of the weapons complies with international law.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/19/report-biden-to-consider-cutting-arms-to-israel-over-human-rights/

[DefiantMassRINO]

Hamas is getting their just desserts.

Only when Gazans love their children more than they hate Israelis, will there be chance of peace.

October 7th was a wake up call to the danger Iran and its proxies pose to peace and stability in the Middle East.

Gaza is just one theater of operation in Iran's war against Western influence in the MidEast.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Netanyahu to Biden, Sullivan: ‘There Is No Way’ Other than Rafah Invasion

Netanyahu: “I made it as clear as possible to the President that we are determined to complete the elimination of these battalions in Rafah, and there is no way to do this without a ground incursion.”

You want to "make it clear", Bibi?  Cut the umbilical cord with the US and stop using us as your ATM, weapons replenisher, global shield AND political nemesis.  Declare your total independence from the US and do whatever you want without pesky questions.

[mystery-ak]

WATCH — Biden Shifts the Goalposts: ‘Degrading,’ Not ‘Defeating,’ Hamas

Joel B. Pollak 19 Mar 2024

State Department Deputy Spokesman Vedant Patel told reporters in a briefing on Tuesday that the U.S. shares the goal of “degrading” Hamas — avoiding the use of the word “defeating,” in an apparent shift of U.S. policy on the Gaza war.

On Monday, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan told reporters that President Joe Biden shared Israel’s goal of “defeating” Hamas, but believed it was not necessary for Israel to attack Hamas in the last stronghold of Rafah to do so:

    The President told the Prime Minister again today that we share the goal of defeating Hamas, but we just believe you need a coherent and sustainable strategy to make that happen.

    …

    Now, the President has rejected — and did again today — the strawman that raising questions about Rafah is the same as raising questions about defeating Hamas. That’s just nonsense.

    …

    And from the U.S. perspective, this is not a question of defeating Hamas. And anytime I hear an argument that says, “If you don’t smash into Rafah, you can’t defeat Hamas,” I say, “That is a strawman.”

    …

    [T]he President is not focused on what’s popular, what’s not popular, how do you shape public opinion. He’s interested in how do we get to the right result, and the right result is the enduring defeat of Hamas, a two-state solution that has a secure Israel and a Palestinian state that vindicates the aspirations of the Palestinian people, and a broader normalization of relations so that Israel also has peace with all of its Arab neighbors.

On Tuesday, as Breitbart News reported, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterated his view that while he was happy to talk to the Biden Administration about it, there was no way to defeat Hamas without entering Rafah.

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https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/19/biden-shifts-the-goalposts-degrading-not-defeating-hamas/

[berdie]

Netanyahu to Biden, Sullivan: ‘There Is No Way’ Other than Rafah Invasion

Netanyahu: “I made it as clear as possible to the President that we are determined to complete the elimination of these battalions in Rafah, and there is no way to do this without a ground incursion.”

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/19/netanyahu-to-biden-sullivan-there-is-no-way-rafah-invasion/

I hope this is true and he holds the line. The only reason, imho, that Biden and Co. are waffling is due to the upcoming election. They are really scared they'll lose the Muslim vote.

[Hoodat]

State Department Deputy Spokesman Vedant Patel told reporters in a briefing on Tuesday that the U.S. shares the goal of “degrading” Hamas — avoiding the use of the word “defeating,” in an apparent shift of U.S. policy on the Gaza war.

This is identical to his Ukraine policy, Houthi policy, etc.

Jake Sullivan:   And from the U.S. perspective, this is not a question of defeating Hamas. And anytime I hear an argument that says, “If you don’t smash into Rafah, you can’t defeat Hamas,” I say, “That is a strawman.”

That is not at all a "strawman".  Not even close.  Sullivan is an idiot.

Jake Sullivan:    [T]he President is not focused on what’s popular, what’s not popular, how do you shape public opinion.

Biden changed his position the day after 13.2% of Michigan Democrats voted for "Uncommitted" in their primary.

Jake Sullivan:    [Biden]’s interested in how do we get to the right result, and the right result is the enduring defeat of Hamas, a two-state solution that has a secure Israel and a Palestinian state that vindicates the aspirations of the Palestinian people, and a broader normalization of relations so that Israel also has peace with all of its Arab neighbors.

The Palestinians don't want a two-state solution.  And Israel can't have peace with its neighbors when those neighbors continue to attack Israel.  Sullivan is parroting Iranian rhetoric.

On Tuesday, as Breitbart News reported, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterated his view that while he was happy to talk to the Biden Administration about it, there was no way to defeat Hamas without entering Rafah.

Bibi is correct.

[mystery-ak]

Biden Co-Chair, Dem Sen. Coons: ‘Almost Impossible’ for Israel to Do Rafah Operation the Way We Want

On Wednesday’s broadcast of NPR’s “Morning Edition,” Biden Campaign Co-Chair Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) stated that it would be “almost impossible” for Israel to go into Rafah “and conduct an operation in a way that isn’t unreasonably dangerous and unsafe and will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties.” And the operation definitely can’t “be safely done in the coming weeks.”

Coons said, “Israel has the right, even the obligation, to defend its civilians against Hamas and to continue pursuing Hamas terrorists. But they have to balance that with their obligation to protect civilians and facilitate humanitarian aid going into Gaza. So, a delegation from Israel is now on its way to Washington to meet with our military leadership to consult on how they could possibly conduct a ground invasion into Rafah, where there are still four battalions of Hamas fighters, and allow for civilians to get out of Rafah and conduct an operation in a way that isn’t unreasonably dangerous and unsafe and will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties. It’s exceptionally difficult to do, almost impossible, frankly.”

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https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/03/20/biden-co-chair-dem-sen-coons-almost-impossible-for-israel-to-do-rafah-operation-the-way-we-want/

[mystery-ak]

Biden Co-Chair, Dem Sen. Coons: Israel Has to Move Civilians from Rafah, Others Understandably Won’t Take Them in

On Wednesday’s broadcast of NewsNation’s “Morning in America,” Biden Campaign Co-Chair Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) said that other nations won’t take Palestinian refugees and “I understand the concerns of others in the region” and so Israel has to help Palestinians in Rafah relocate. He also stated that “Hamas has almost no way to get in or get out, to get re-supplied.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/03/20/biden-co-chair-dem-sen-coons-israel-has-to-move-civilians-from-rafah-others-understandably-wont-take-them-in/

[Smokin Joe]

This is identical to his Ukraine policy, Houthi policy, etc.


That is not at all a "strawman".  Not even close.  Sullivan is an idiot.



Biden changed his position the day after 13.2% of Michigan Democrats voted for "Uncommitted" in their primary.


The Palestinians don't want a two-state solution.  And Israel can't have peace with its neighbors when those neighbors continue to attack Israel.  Sullivan is parroting Iranian rhetoric.


Bibi is correct.

The DOD and State Department concept seems to be one of 'managed conflict' which keeps defense money flowing, golden parachutes for anyone of flag rank, and who knows? the potential for abundant cumshaw and baksheesh abounds. They did this in Afghanistan, and it has cost American Soldiers and their families dearly, not to mention the king's ransom in materiel (and even Americans) abandoned in one of the most ill-conceived withdrawals in history.

But...Funding for everyone! You gotta break a few eggs...

Unfortunately, those eggs are someone's father, son, daughter, wife, mother, someone who just wanted to live in peace. For every square foot of dirt there, there's a gallon of blood been shed, and it won't end until someone ends it. Maybe not even then, if prophecy is correct, not until He returns. In the meantime, Hamas is not some puppy that can be scolded for nipping at their neighbors, it's a rabid critter that needs to be put down.

[SZonian]

Biden Co-Chair, Dem Sen. Coons: ‘Almost Impossible’ for Israel to Do Rafah Operation the Way We Want

On Wednesday’s broadcast of NPR’s “Morning Edition,” Biden Campaign Co-Chair Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) stated that it would be “almost impossible” for Israel to go into Rafah “and conduct an operation in a way that isn’t unreasonably dangerous and unsafe and will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties.” And the operation definitely can’t “be safely done in the coming weeks.”

Coons said, “Israel has the right, even the obligation, to defend its civilians against Hamas and to continue pursuing Hamas terrorists. But they have to balance that with their obligation to protect civilians and facilitate humanitarian aid going into Gaza. So, a delegation from Israel is now on its way to Washington to meet with our military leadership to consult on how they could possibly conduct a ground invasion into Rafah, where there are still four battalions of Hamas fighters, and allow for civilians to get out of Rafah and conduct an operation in a way that isn’t unreasonably dangerous and unsafe and will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties. It’s exceptionally difficult to do, almost impossible, frankly.”

more
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/03/20/biden-co-chair-dem-sen-coons-almost-impossible-for-israel-to-do-rafah-operation-the-way-we-want/

"...will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties." That's a damned lie. The only way there are that many "civilian casualties" is to be counting the exterminated vermin.

[PeteS in CA]

Biden Co-Chair, Dem Sen. Coons: ‘Almost Impossible’ for Israel to Do Rafah Operation the Way We Want

On Wednesday’s broadcast of NPR’s “Morning Edition,” Biden Campaign Co-Chair Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) stated that it would be “almost impossible” for Israel to go into Rafah “and conduct an operation in a way that isn’t unreasonably dangerous and unsafe and will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties.” And the operation definitely can’t “be safely done in the coming weeks.”
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Making the conditions impossible was Foggy Bottom's and LIEden's anti-Semites' purpose.

[Cyber Liberty]

Making the conditions impossible was Foggy Bottom's and LIEden's anti-Semites' purpose.

They never plan for victory, only stalemates.  All wars are now forever wars.

[Elderberry]

Instant News Alerts
@InstaNewsAlerts 3/21/2024

#BREAKING: IDF says forces have now captured more than 600 terrorists in ongoing operations at Shifa Hospital in Gaza, including several senior Hamas and PIJ commanders. Israel forces have killed more than 140 gunmen at the site in ongoing battles.

[Smokin Joe]

"...will result in thousands and thousands more civilian casualties." That's a damned lie. The only way there are that many "civilian casualties" is to be counting the exterminated vermin.

It's war. It isn't safe. People get killed. As for "thousands and thousands" more civilian casualties, maybe Hamas should throw up a white flag, send out the remaining hostages, dead or alive, and come out of their holes.

Otherwise, it will be done the hard way.

[DB]

It's war. It isn't safe. People get killed. As for "thousands and thousands" more civilian casualties, maybe Hamas should throw up a white flag, send out the remaining hostages, dead or alive, and come out of their holes.

Otherwise, it will be done the hard way.

And how many of those "civilians" are actively helping Hamas?

[Smokin Joe]

And how many of those "civilians" are actively helping Hamas?

By the jubilation in their streets after the massacre, most all of them.

[mystery-ak]

Mar 21, 2024 -
World
Blinken: U.S. submitted draft resolution to UN calling for Gaza ceasefire

Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Wednesday the U.S. has submitted a draft resolution to the UN Security Council that calls "for an immediate ceasefire" in Gaza that's "tied to the release" of hostages held by Hamas.

Why it matters: Both Israel and Hamas are facing pressure to reach a deal to free the hostages and start a truce in Gaza, where over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed, per Axios' Barak Ravid, who noted this week that the first detailed negotiations in months were underway.

    Now Blinken has said in an interview with Al-Hadath in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, that an agreement was "getting closer" and "the gaps are narrowing," according to a transcript released by the State Department Wednesday. "I think an agreement is very much possible," he added.

The big picture: Blinken said during the interview that the Biden administration was "pressing for an immediate ceasefire" tied to freeing the hostages.

    The interviewer said to Blinken that "some may wonder how are you pressuring Israel to do so while you are still continuing supporting them financially and militarily, and even in the United Nations by vetoing any resolution that commits for an immediate ceasefire."
    Blinken replied that the U.S. resolution before the Security Council "does call for an immediate ceasefire tied to the release of hostages, and we hope very much that countries will support that." 

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https://www.axios.com/2024/03/21/us-submits-gaza-ceasefire-resolution-un-israel-hamas

[mystery-ak]

Poll: Majority of Palestinians Want Hamas Control Over Gaza Strip When War Ends


Adam Kredo   
March 21, 2024

A majority of Palestinians want Hamas to retain control of the Gaza Strip after its war against Israel ends, according to a new poll.

"Gazans’ support for continued Hamas control over the Gaza Strip has increased to more than 50 percent, a 14-point rise" during the past several months, according to the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, a nonprofit think tank that tracks public opinion in the West Bank and Gaza. "Given the magnitude of the suffering in the Gaza Strip, this seems to be the most counter intuitive finding of the entire poll."

The poll, which surveyed 1,580 adults in early March, determined that "almost all Palestinians think Israel is committing war crimes while almost all believe Hamas is not committing war crimes in the current war," a number that has remained steady throughout the conflict.

While support for Hamas’s Oct. 7 terror attack on Israel dropped by 11 points in the West Bank compared to three months ago, the numbers rose by 14 points among those living in war-torn Gaza.

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https://freebeacon.com/national-security/poll-majority-of-palestinians-want-hamas-control-over-gaza-strip-when-war-ends/

[mystery-ak]

Netanyahu to Blinken on Rafah: We’d Prefer Your Support, But We’ll Do It Alone

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Friday after meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken that there was no alternative to an attack in Rafah, and that Israel was prepared to do so without U.S. support.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/22/netanyahu-to-blinken-on-rafah-wed-prefer-your-support-but-well-do-it-alone/

[240B]

They never plan for victory, only stalemates.  All wars are now forever wars.

Exactly!
America NEVER fights a war to 'win' it. The only wars America won, were the Revolutionary War, the American Civil War, and the war with Japan. Many say, "America 'won' WWII". This is not entirely correct, because America refused to attack the USSR. WWII never actually ended per-se, it just rolled over into a new thing which was called the cold war with the Soviet Union. The war did not end, it just went into a semi-dormant or cold state.

We all know that the Korean war is still ongoing, and Vietnam was a total mess. Vietnam was a 20 year war (which was not a war) that accomplished nothing and achieved nothing.

There have been so many American wars and incursions in the Middle East I cannot list them all here. But to summarize, none of them were 'won' in the traditional sense of what 'winning a war' means.

America's modern history of war, is to attack some place with little provocation, very dubious justification, and no defined objectives. Then they annihilate the place for 20 years causing millions of deaths. And then suddenly, America will just pull out. Leaving an incredible mess and all their native wartime supporters stranded in their wake.

This is the paradigm Biden and his staff are trying to force Israel into. Because "20 year wars with no definitive conclusion" is the only definition America has for what they call 'war'. America does not comprehend the very idea of winning, concluding, and finishing a war.

But Israel is not falling for the American "forever war" version of warfare. Israel does not fight random wars all over the world just for the sake of the funding the military industrial complex. When Israel goes to war, they go to war to WIN! - overwhelmingly, conclusively, and decisively. This is what they are doing in Gaza, much to the astonishment of all the milquetoast Liberals who currently run America.

America is aghast/appalled at the very idea of Israel winning a war and completing an objective, because that is simply not how they do it. And therefore they do not understand the idea and want to stop it.

[240B]

A majority of Palestinians want Hamas to retain control of the Gaza Strip after its war against Israel ends, according to a new poll.

This is a great example of 'First World' thinking being imposed on primitive barbarians. There are no factual meaningful "polls" in any Islamic country. People simply respond in whatever way which will not get them arrested, tortured, and killed.

[DefiantMassRINO]

The fact that no Arab / Muslim Middle East country wants to take in Palestinian / Gaza refugees tells you a lot.

[PeteS in CA]

Netanyahu to Blinken on Rafah: We’d Prefer Your Support, But We’ll Do It Alone

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Friday after meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken that there was no alternative to an attack in Rafah, and that Israel was prepared to do so without U.S. support.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/03/22/netanyahu-to-blinken-on-rafah-wed-prefer-your-support-but-well-do-it-alone/

Take out an existential threat or knuckle under to hate-driven anti-Semites' demands that the existential threat be allowed to continue. Tough choice.