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Biden Trashes Israel in Private D.C. Fundraiser; Demands Netanyahu Change Government

Joel B. Pollak 12 Dec 2023

President Joe Biden trashed Israel and the Israeli government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at a private fundraiser in Washington, DC, on Friday, after telling guests at the White House Hanukkah party the night before of his admiration for Israel.

The Times of Israel reported that Biden accused Israel of “indiscriminate bombing” in Gaza. Biden provided no evidence.

Biden also said that Netanyahu had to replace members of his democratically-elected governing coalition, and accept a Palestinian state.

In July, Biden made similar comments when explaining why he refused to meet with Netanyahu since his election the year before, saying that he had “extreme” Cabinet members. Biden routinely meets with autocrats from a variety of nations across the globe.

The Times of Israel said:

    US President Joe Biden says Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu needs to change his hardline government that has made it very difficult for the international community to back Israel in the war against Hamas. The president also says Israel is losing global support due to its “indiscriminate bombing” in Gaza.

    “This is the most conservative government in Israel’s history,” Biden says during a campaign fundraiser in Washington, adding that the Netanyahu-led coalition “doesn’t want a two-state solution” — the path Washington has called for after the war with Hamas.

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    Last month, Biden also used the word “indiscriminate” to describe Israel’s bombing campaign in Gaza. However, he was referring to the early stage of the war and indicated that the IDF has been more pin-pointed since. His comments at the fundraiser reveal that he no longer thinks that is the case.

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Didn't he call himself a Zionist at the White House Hanukkah celebration? Clearly, he didn't understand the words someone put on the teleprompter.
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Biden Says Israel Is Losing Support Over the War in Gaza
NY Times, Dec 12, 2023

President Biden intensified international pressure on Israel on Tuesday, saying for the first time publicly that the country is losing support around the world as its fierce war against Hamas in Gaza claims the lives of thousands of civilians.

Mr. Biden made the blunt remarks during a fund-raiser in Washington, where he described the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as “the most conservative government in Israel’s history” and said the prime minister “doesn’t want a two-state solution” to the country’s long-running dispute with Palestinians.

The president said Mr. Netanyahu “has to strengthen and change” the Israeli government. Using the prime minister’s nickname, Mr. Biden said that “Bibi’s got a tough decision to make.”

Mr. Biden’s remarks were a striking departure from the warm embrace of Israel that he has led since Hamas launched a surprise attack on Israel on Oct. 7 and slaughtered 1,200 people. Top aides have said Mr. Biden believed that full-throated support of Israel has given the president more leverage with Mr. Netanyahu.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/12/us/politics/biden-israel-war-gaza-netanyahu.html

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Netanyahu needs to go.  His policies have not made Israel safer.

As far as the war in Gaza, Hamas is the agressor.

There could be an immediate ceasefire if Hamas surrenders and releases all the hostages.  But, Iran doesn't want Hamas to do that.
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Probably not at this point. But Hamas never has.

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Probably not at this point. But Hamas never has.

Fighting a two state solution has actually been Netanyahu's raison d'être.  Netanyahu's master strategy was to keep Hamas just strong enough to keep Fatah weak enough so he could claim he has "no partner for peace".  With his cat and mouse games, Netanyahu has done extreme damage to Israel's reputation and security ---- and it is past time for him to retire.

Israeli and international media have reported that Netanyahu's plan to continue allowing aid to reach Gaza through Qatar was in the hope that it might make Hamas an effective counterweight to the PA and prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

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'Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state.
NY Times, Dec 10, 2023

Just weeks before Hamas launched the deadly Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, the head of Mossad arrived in Doha, Qatar, for a meeting with Qatari officials.

For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.

During his meetings in September with the Qatari officials, according to several people familiar with the secret discussions, the Mossad chief, David Barnea, was asked a question that had not been on the agenda: Did Israel want the payments to continue?

Mr. Netanyahu’s government had recently decided to continue the policy, so Mr. Barnea said yes. The Israeli government still welcomed the money from Doha.

Allowing the payments — billions of dollars over roughly a decade — was a gamble by Mr. Netanyahu that a steady flow of money would maintain peace in Gaza, the eventual launching point of the Oct. 7 attacks, and keep Hamas focused on governing, not fighting.

The Qatari payments, while ostensibly a secret, have been widely known and discussed in the Israeli news media for years. Mr. Netanyahu’s critics disparage them as part of a strategy of “buying quiet,” and the policy is in the middle of a ruthless reassessment following the attacks. Mr. Netanyahu has lashed back at that criticism, calling the suggestion that he tried to empower Hamas “ridiculous.”

In interviews with more than two dozen current and former Israeli, American and Qatari officials, and officials from other Middle Eastern governments, The New York Times unearthed new details about the origins of the policy, the controversies that erupted inside the Israeli government and the lengths that Mr. Netanyahu went to in order to shield the Qataris from criticism and keep the money flowing.

The payments were part of a string of decisions by Israeli political leaders, military officers and intelligence officials — all based on the fundamentally flawed assessment that Hamas was neither interested in nor capable of a large-scale attack.

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As far back as December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.

The official in the prime minister’s office said Mr. Netanyahu never made this statement. But the prime minister would articulate this idea to others over the years.

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The article quotes Israeli media and leaders.  Everything in the article has been known for years.

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As Netanyahu has taken care of his nations business, and Biden is well know for doing a shitt job of running America.  Biden desperately needs to take advice from Netanyahu!
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Biden Says Israel Is Losing Support Over the War in Gaza
NY Times, Dec 12, 2023

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/12/us/politics/biden-israel-war-gaza-netanyahu.html

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NEW: Overwhelming majority of UN General Assembly votes in favor of new resolution calling for Gaza ceasefire

10 countries voted against it:
-United States
-Austria
-Czechia
-Guatemala
-Israel
-Liberia
-Micronesia
-Nauru
-Papua New Guinea
-Paraguay



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As Netanyahu has taken care of his nations business

How's his business working out for Israel?

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Netanyahu needs to go.  His policies have not made Israel safer.

As far as the war in Gaza, Hamas is the agressor.

There could be an immediate ceasefire if Hamas surrenders and releases all the hostages.  But, Iran doesn't want Hamas to do that.
Hamas is not going to turn over hostages; I think likely that they are dead.  It's their only bargaining chip at this point.

As for Bibi - I think he's doing what is right for Israel. What other choice does he have?  Hamas came in and brutally attacked his people ... hostages were brutally tortured ... surrendering isn't an option for Israel; it would be foolish.
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As for Bibi - I think he's doing what is right for Israel. What other choice does he have?  Hamas came in and brutally attacked his people ... hostages were brutally tortured ... surrendering isn't an option for Israel; it would be foolish.

Hamas was able to commit crimes against humanity because Netanyahu propped them up as insurance against a Palestinian state.

He needs to go so Israel can finally recover from his misleadership and move on to true security, peace and a home in the Middle East.

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Fighting a two state solution has actually been Netanyahu's raison d'être.

The Palestinians don't want a two-state solution.  That has been crystal clear since 1948.  On the other hand, Netanyahu has offered a two-state solution again and again and again.  So it is disingenuous to place the onus on him.
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Hamas was able to commit crimes against humanity because Netanyahu propped them up as insurance against a Palestinian state.

Did you make up this bullshit all by yourself?  Sounds just like some Hamas propaganda.
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NEW: Overwhelming majority of UN General Assembly votes in favor of new resolution calling for Gaza ceasefire

Looks to me that Bibi needs to stay the course.   Let me know when the UN votes for a resolution condemning Hamas for breaking the last cease fire.
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Netanyahu needs to go.  His policies have not made Israel safer.

Sounds exactly like something the Democrats said about George W. Bush after he had been in office for nine months.
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vehemently denied accusations he allowed Qatar to fund and strengthen the militant group Hamas in order to divide Palestinians into rival political camps, slamming the claims as “ridiculous.”

Netanyahu’s opponents in Israel argue his government spent years actively boosting Hamas in Gaza by allowing Qatar to channel hundreds of millions of dollars to the coastal enclave in a risky game of “divide-and-rule,” that was meant to play the Islamist militants from Hamas off against the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.

“It’s a big lie that I wanted to build [up] Hamas. Ridiculous,” Netanyahu said in an interview with Axel Springer, POLITICO’s parent company. “You don’t go to war three times with Hamas or do major military operations if you want to build up Hamas.”

Former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is a leading example of a politician who takes that version of events with a pinch of salt. “In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas,” he previously told POLITICO. “Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to move millions and millions of dollars to Gaza.”

Most incriminatingly, Netanyahu himself said in 2019 at a Likud party conference: “Anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas.”


https://www.politico.eu/article/benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-qatar-money-war-israel-gaza-palestine/

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A 2016 warning drafted by then-defense minister Liberman predicted Hamas onslaught
Times of Israel, Oct 30, 2023

In 2016, then-defense minister Avigdor Liberman drafted an 11-page document warning of Hamas plans to burst through the border, overrun communities in southern Israel, and take hostages.  Monday saw several Hebrew-media outlets publish excerpts from the manuscript.

In the eerily prescient document labeled top secret, Liberman wrote: “Hamas intends to take the conflict into Israeli territory by sending a significant number of well-trained forces (like the Nukhba [commandos] for example) into Israel to try and capture an Israeli community (or maybe even several communities) on the Gaza border and take hostages. Beyond the physical harm to the people, this will also lead to significant harm to the morale and feelings of the citizens of Israel.”

The report said the document was presented to both Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and then-IDF chief of staff Gadi Eisenkot with a call to carry out a surprise attack on Hamas to foil its plans.

Liberman warned that delaying such a strike until after 2017 would allow Hamas to sufficiently build up its rocket and ground forces to a formidable level following the 2014 war.

Liberman cited decisions made by the Hamas political bureau at a meeting held in Qatar in September 2016, in which it noted that time was needed to regroup before launching an assault with the aim of wiping out Israel by 2022.

His document noted Hamas’s intentions to build a force of 40,000 fighters and develop capabilities to attack Israel from the sea and land, acquire drone technologies and use electronic warfare countermeasures. It also noted that Hamas had significantly stepped up its financial requests from Iran.

The Liberman document adds to a mounting body of evidence of the massive failure of Israel’s military, intelligence and political leadership.

Also Monday, a New York Times analysis of the failings revealed that the military’s vaunted 8200 signal intelligence unit stopped listening in to the handheld radios of Hamas operatives in Gaza a year ago because it was seen as a “waste of effort.”

In an extensive report on the intelligence failures that enabled the October 7 massacre, the paper also said that US spy agencies had largely stopped collecting information on Hamas in recent years, believing that Israel had contained the threat from the terror group.

Liberman resigned as defense minister in November 2018, bringing down Netanyahu’s government, following a ceasefire agreed between Israel and Palestinian terror groups in Gaza in the wake of an unprecedentedly fierce two-day barrage of over 400 rockets fired by Hamas and other terror groups toward Israel.

"What happened yesterday, the ceasefire, together with the deal with Hamas, is a capitulation to terror. There is no other way of explaining it,” he told reporters at the time.  “What we are doing right now is buying quiet for a heavy price with no long-term plan to reduce violence toward us.”

He said that he made his decision to leave office because “I could not remain and still be able to look residents of the south in the eyes.”


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Six days after Oct. 7th, I went on the PBD Podcast and asked a series of questions about what Israeli intelligence failures happened that allowed Hamas to massacre 1,200 civilians. The clip went viral and I was attacked as an antisemite and called worse than a "Holocaust denier."

But now my instincts have been vindicated by a recent bombshell report proving Israel knew Hamas's attack plans more than a year in advance — they called it "Jericho wall" — and the plans were shared widely with intelligence and defense officials.

Now many more questions must be answered:

Why did Israeli intelligence officials, when notified of unusual activity in Gaza on Oct 6, not put one-and-one together that the planned attack was about to unfold?

Why did it it take between 6 and even 20 hours for the IDF to get help to the communities massacred by terrorists?

I stand with Israel and its offensive against Hamas, but the US should not send one more penny to Israel until we have answers to these questions.


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Most incriminatingly, Netanyahu himself said in 2019 at a Likud party conference: “Anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas.”

Here's what Netanyahu actually did say:

"The transfer of money is part of a strategy to separate the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Anyone who opposes the establishment of a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds from Qatar to Hamas, so we will thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state"


בשיחה פרטית שניהלתי עם בכיר בממשלה במהלך המבצע, הוא אמר לי: "אסור בשום פנים שהרשות תחזור לשלטון בעזה גם במחיר שימור שלטון חמאס". לכל הספקנים שמתקשים להאמין בכך, ברצוני לצטט את נתניהו עצמו, שבפגישה סגורה שערך ב־11 במרץ 2019 עם אנשי הליכוד, אמר כדלהלן: "העברת הכסף היא חלק מאסטרטגיה להפריד בין הפלסטינים בעזה והגדה. כל מי שמתנגד להקמת מדינה פלסטינית, צריך לתמוך בהעברת הכספים מקטר לחמאס, כך נסכל את הקמתה של מדינה פלסטינית" (הדברים צוטטו ב"ג'רוזלם פוסט"). עדות בעל דין כמאה עדים.

https://www.maariv.co.il/journalists/opinions/Article-1008080
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