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Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives

BY NATHANIEL WEIXEL - 11/27/23 10:44 AM ET


Former President Trump over the weekend revived his calls to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act if he wins the 2024 presidential election.

In a Truth Social post, the leading GOP presidential candidate claimed he’s “seriously looking at alternatives” to replace ObamaCare, and that the failure to repeal the health law in 2017 while he was in office was “a low point for the Republican Party.”

Republicans were one vote away from repealing the law in 2017 after the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) voted with Democrats to keep ObamaCare in place. Ever since, Trump has knocked and mocked McCain, even years after the senator’s death from brain cancer.

Democrats retook control of the House in 2018 after making the GOP repeal efforts the center of their campaigns, promising to protect Americans from losing coverage for preexisting conditions.

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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4328871-trump-obamacare-alternatives/
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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2023, 05:53:51 pm »
Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives

BY NATHANIEL WEIXEL - 11/27/23 10:44 AM ET


Former President Trump over the weekend revived his calls to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act if he wins the 2024 presidential election.

In a Truth Social post, the leading GOP presidential candidate claimed he’s “seriously looking at alternatives” to replace ObamaCare, and that the failure to repeal the health law in 2017 while he was in office was “a low point for the Republican Party.”

Republicans were one vote away from repealing the law in 2017 after the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) voted with Democrats to keep ObamaCare in place. Ever since, Trump has knocked and mocked McCain, even years after the senator’s death from brain cancer.

Democrats retook control of the House in 2018 after making the GOP repeal efforts the center of their campaigns, promising to protect Americans from losing coverage for preexisting conditions.

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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4328871-trump-obamacare-alternatives/

The only way this can happen is if Trump's program was more generous/expensive than is ObamaCare.

Which I don't think would bother him in the slightest if he thought it would get his name attached to it.

Legacy, right?
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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2023, 06:02:21 pm »
Hello!! Hola! Bonjour!

What happened to repealing that crap?????
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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2023, 06:04:42 pm »
   Knowing Trump He'll add a Medicare Part 'V' which will include a free Ventilator.
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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2023, 06:27:23 pm »
Replaced with “TrumpCare”

Whose going to pay for it? To quote Trump himself, “the government is gonna pay for it”

Just repeal it and be done
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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2023, 06:52:25 pm »
As you all know... House, Senate and SCOTUS are exempt from Obamacare.

He's looking into an alternative for the public, who may still be able to afford the quarterly premiums.

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2023, 07:17:02 pm »
The only way this can happen is if Trump's program was more generous/expensive than is ObamaCare.

Which I don't think would bother him in the slightest if he thought it would get his name attached to it.

Legacy, right?

And his supporters would use the same arguments that Obama supporters made regarding ObamaCare that didn’t pan out
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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2023, 08:12:12 pm »
As you all know... House, Senate and SCOTUS are exempt from Obamacare.

He's looking into an alternative for the public, who may still be able to afford the quarterly premiums.

Too bad he wasn't looking into it when he was in a position to do something about it.
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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2023, 08:31:17 pm »
As you all know... House, Senate and SCOTUS are exempt from Obamacare.

He's looking into an alternative for the public, who may still be able to afford the quarterly premiums.

There is no alternative. Nothing will work. It literally never does, and never has. It amazes me that people don't understand that natively.

The cheapest, most efficacious insurance is none at all, managed by self, and the worst possible solution is that offered by government.

Removing responsibility also always removes liberty.

But Tumpy does not understand that... Or maybe he does.

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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2023, 08:41:54 pm »
There is no alternative. Nothing will work. It literally never does, and never has. It amazes me that people don't understand that natively.

The cheapest, most efficacious insurance is none at all, managed by self, and the worst possible solution is that offered by government.

Removing responsibility also always removes liberty.

But Tumpy does not understand that... Or maybe he does.

I tend to agree with you...it's too late.

On today's cost-basis alone.  But a certain segment of the population wouldn't mind paying $12K per annum for a family's ability to be seen by a Specialist without a freaking referral.

And that would perform an MRI in lieu of a sonogram scan or a cycstoscopy.   happy77
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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2023, 08:50:57 pm »
There is no alternative. Nothing will work. It literally never does, and never has. It amazes me that people don't understand that natively.

The cheapest, most efficacious insurance is none at all, managed by self, and the worst possible solution is that offered by government.

Removing responsibility also always removes liberty.

But Tumpy does not understand that... Or maybe he does.

Nothing like a major payer coming in and saying "We absolutely won't pay any more than $X00000.00 for that procedure to make sure the procedure costs $(X-1)99999.99.

(And that's how health care costs keep climbing, even in declining economies.)

I had a client do that once, so I bid 5% under their cap (which was more than I would have otherwise, by quite a bit). My bid was approved and those were the most profitable years I ever had.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2023, 08:52:35 pm »
I tend to agree with you...it's too late.

On today's cost-basis alone.  But a certain segment of the population wouldn't mind paying $12K per annum for a family's ability to be seen by a Specialist without a freaking referral.

And that would perform an MRI in lieu of a sonogram scan or a cycstoscopy.   happy77

Government insurance and insurance in general is the prop under health care that keeps the costs high. And it will only go higher. As it always does. This is why conservatism... Any Conservative could tell you what I do.

And by the way, it is never too late. Knock out the props and watch the cost plummet as competition asserts itself. In a couple years a doctor visit would cost twenty bucks and an MRI no more than an X-Ray.

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2023, 08:53:21 pm »
I tend to agree with you...it's too late.

On today's cost-basis alone.  But a certain segment of the population wouldn't mind paying $12K per annum for a family's ability to be seen by a Specialist without a freaking referral.

And that would perform an MRI in lieu of a sonogram scan or a cycstoscopy.   happy77
All MRIs are not equal, and the person interpreting it is critical.
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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2023, 09:03:15 pm »
All I know is that when we hit 65 our premiums quadrupled. 

Just wish how much I knew I was  subsidizing the rest in this wonderful system.  /s
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2023, 10:02:03 pm »
   I'd bet Medical errors were lower than third prior to obummercare, but I could be mistaken.

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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2023, 11:15:41 am »
Why didn't he do it the first time?
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2023, 02:59:39 pm »
Why didn't he do it the first time?

You didn’t get the memo did you?

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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2023, 03:19:37 pm »
Democrats delight in Trump reviving campaign against Obamacare

by Emily Jacobs, Congressional Reporter
November 28, 2023 06:30 AM


Democrats are jumping on the news that former President Donald Trump is “seriously looking at alternatives” to Obamacare, with many saying it will be a messaging win for the party going into the 2024 election.

Trump’s political foes quickly responded after the former president said on his Truth Social platform over the weekend that the GOP should “never give up” on repealing and replacing the 13-year-old Affordable Care Act, indicating that Democrats would be eager to make healthcare access an issue that drives voters to the polls.

Much of the party’s 2018 messaging, which helped Democrats retake the House of Representatives, was centered on the GOP’s failed campaign to repeal Obamacare. Trump called the 2017 effort failing “a low point for the Republican Party,” which he blamed on “a couple of Republican Senators who campaigned for 6 years against it, and then raised their hands not to terminate it.”

President Joe Biden condemned the renewed push on Monday, saying his predecessor had “called for cuts that could rip away health insurance for tens of millions Americans and Medicaid. They just don’t give up. But guess what? We won’t let these things happen.”

Biden’s 2024 campaign, meanwhile, has responded to the news by working to amplify Trump’s new message, with new TV ads set to air this coming week contrasting the president's and his predecessor’s respective healthcare agendas.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/democrats-delight-trump-reviving-obamacare-repeal
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2023, 03:24:37 pm »
Democrats delight in Trump reviving campaign against Obamacare

by Emily Jacobs, Congressional Reporter
November 28, 2023 06:30 AM


Democrats are jumping on the news that former President Donald Trump is “seriously looking at alternatives” to Obamacare, with many saying it will be a messaging win for the party going into the 2024 election.

Trump’s political foes quickly responded after the former president said on his Truth Social platform over the weekend that the GOP should “never give up” on repealing and replacing the 13-year-old Affordable Care Act, indicating that Democrats would be eager to make healthcare access an issue that drives voters to the polls.

Much of the party’s 2018 messaging, which helped Democrats retake the House of Representatives, was centered on the GOP’s failed campaign to repeal Obamacare. Trump called the 2017 effort failing “a low point for the Republican Party,” which he blamed on “a couple of Republican Senators who campaigned for 6 years against it, and then raised their hands not to terminate it.”

President Joe Biden condemned the renewed push on Monday, saying his predecessor had “called for cuts that could rip away health insurance for tens of millions Americans and Medicaid. They just don’t give up. But guess what? We won’t let these things happen.”

Biden’s 2024 campaign, meanwhile, has responded to the news by working to amplify Trump’s new message, with new TV ads set to air this coming week contrasting the president's and his predecessor’s respective healthcare agendas.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/democrats-delight-trump-reviving-obamacare-repeal


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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2023, 03:26:37 pm »
Democrats delight in Trump reviving campaign against Obamacare



Democrats are jumping on the news that former President Donald Trump is “seriously looking at alternatives” to Obamacare, with many saying it will be a messaging win for the party going into the 2024 election.



Wrong again dims..... 

Maybe on the abortion issue, but Americans are seeing exponential growth in costs in premiums and services without the same return of investment.

Bottom line.....
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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2023, 04:55:08 pm »
The serious free market alternative is to decouple health insurance from employment, create a genuine competitive market in health insurance, and (per Friedrich Hayek, one of the greatest theorists and exponents of the free market) have the government offer everyone with high-deductible plan that exists solely to keep anyone from going bankrupt because they fell ill.

Ideally this should be in the context of a Hayek-style abolition of the welfare state as outlined in Charles Murrays' book In Our Hands:  replace all welfare programs with one, a universal basic income (about $1000/month plus a subvention that must be spent on the premium of a health insurance plan -- defaulting to the state provided high-deductible plan if you don't buy something better).  Murray ran the numbers and it's cheaper than what we do now, and (the reason Hayek thought the only good poverty mitigation program was a UBI) it distorts the labor market less -- the dynamics of what we do now is to pay people not to work, a UBI pays people whether they work or not, so the loss-of-benefits bar to entry into the labor market is gone.  Poor folk will be able to take jobs or gigs in the legitimate economy without an effective confiscatory tax in the form of loss of benefits.  We'll also stop subsidizing single parenthood, since the UBI would be paid whether the mother has a husband (or live-in-boyfriend) or not, and the economics of scale will encourage household formation by the poor.
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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2023, 05:32:01 pm »
We don’t need an alternative. We need it gone. Buy insurance if you want and pay as you go if you like.

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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2023, 05:50:33 pm »
We don’t need an alternative. We need it gone. Buy insurance if you want and pay as you go if you like.

Point-of-service was better.

LOL!  Cannot get over the cognitive dissonance with some of you...otherwise intelligent people.

Nobody disputes "what works" to get things turned around.  We're not starting from scratch here. 

I'm all for cutting the government by 10%, dismantling entire agencies...telling them to "learn to code".

We're in a 'world' where nobody can afford to buy a home of the own...most are playing a form of Russian Roulette with their vehicles...auto finance companies are suffering the highest delinquencies in history.

We're a hair's breadth from having 50MILLION illegals become citizens with a stroke of a pen.

We've an adversarial media.  And adversarial academia.

22% of women are single issue voters on ABORTION alone.  22%!!  Of WOMEN!!! 

And you "want it gone!"

WTF??    :laugh:

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Re: Trump claims he is ‘seriously’ looking at ObamaCare alternatives
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2023, 06:02:20 pm »
The only thing Trump takes seriously is his ego.

He probably doesn't even know what Obamacare is, but he knows it's a search keyword that gets MAGAs' panties in a bunch.
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2023, 06:16:22 pm »
https://citizenwatchreport.com/60-of-adults-living-paycheck-to-paycheck-federal-reserve-report-reveals-lowest-ability-to-cover-2000-expense-in-a-decade-as-disposable-incomes-decline/

60% of Adults Living Paycheck to Paycheck,
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