Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/RepNancyMace/status/1715411095203029144

[Right_in_Virginia]

Reminder:

Catturd ™
@catturd2

Everything happening in the House right now is because Kevin McCarthy lied to the holdouts to become Speaker.

If he wasn’t a liar, he’d still be Speaker.


9:46 AM · Oct 20, 2023

[Smokin Joe]

Another day of Congress not being able to spend money it doesn't have.  For those of us recognizing the federal government as the greatest threat facing the future of our nation, life is good.

Yep! Amazing how few note this.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Joey Mannarino
@JoeyMannarinoUS
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.@MattGaetz just said that he and the eight who voted for the Motion To Vacate have offered to be censured and removed from committees to get Jim Jordan in as Speaker.

Selfless.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Rep. Nancy Mace
@RepNancyMace

Throw stones at me, it's fine. This is about keeping promises, leadership, and doing the right thing for the people we represent.

All 8 Republicans who removed McCarthy as Speaker offer “censure, suspension or removal from the conference” to elect Jim Jordan as Speaker.


12:54 PM · Oct 20, 2023

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Reminder:

The only reason the holdouts existed in the first place was because they refused to follow conference protocol of supporting the person nominated by a majority of the Republican conference.

The unrealistic promises extracted by the holdouts shouldn't have had to be made in the first place.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Yep! Amazing how few note this.

The money is still being spent because the continuing resolution was passed.

What is happening is that we have lost all of the time that otherwise might have been used to pass separate appropriations bills that supposedly were one of the key demands of the conservatives.  Because of this stunt, the chances of more individual appropriations bills being passed has diminished.

Whenever this does eventually end, whatever money they would have passed to send to Israel and or Ukraine will be spent anyway.

Not a penny will have been saved.

[mystery-ak]

Olivia Beavers
@Olivia_Beavers
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NEWS: Jordan loses by secret ballot, source tells me

[mystery-ak]

Joey Mannarino
@JoeyMannarinoUS
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The House Republican Conference just voted to REMOVE Jim Jordan from Speaker consideration via a secret ballot.

Jim Jordan is NO LONGER the Speaker Designate.

The will of the American people has been ignored.

The GOP will pay dearly for this.

[Free Vulcan]

The only reason the holdouts existed in the first place was because they refused to follow conference protocol of supporting the person nominated by a majority of the Republican conference.

The unrealistic promises extracted by the holdouts shouldn't have had to be made in the first place.

And now the other side is doing the exact same thing, except they aren't even trying to reach a deal, except maybe with the Rats.

McCarthy has endorsed, so majority premise is now moot. The vacators have offered their heads on a plate, so what is the holdouts' excuse now?

[Free Vulcan]

Olivia Beavers
@Olivia_Beavers
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NEWS: Jordan loses by secret ballot, source tells me

Curious as to how that works. I thought this was strictly floor nomination.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The only reason the holdouts existed in the first place was because they refused to follow conference protocol of supporting the person nominated by a majority of the Republican conference.

The unrealistic promises extracted by the holdouts shouldn't have had to be made in the first place.

I get it @Maj. Bill Martin ----- you're a Uniparty devotee.  You've no reason to keep trying to convince me, so relax.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Olivia Beavers
@Olivia_Beavers
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NEWS: Jordan loses by secret ballot, source tells me

Secret ballot ---- f#*king cowards can run, but they won't stay hidden for long.   

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1715431622311378963

[mystery-ak]

Joey Mannarino
@JoeyMannarinoUS
The GOP is essentially becoming The Whig Party right now.

The will of the people is no longer part of the equation in this Speaker's battle.

We now have absolutely no idea who is going to materialize as a candidate.

McCarthy is out. Scalise is out. Jordan is out.

Where do we go from here?

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/repkevinhern/status/1715432076483104838

[Right_in_Virginia]

Joey Mannarino
@JoeyMannarinoUS
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The House Republican Conference just voted to REMOVE Jim Jordan from Speaker consideration via a secret ballot.

Jim Jordan is NO LONGER the Speaker Designate.

The will of the American people has been ignored.

The GOP will pay dearly for this.

The GOP as configured will never hold the majority again.  They have awakened their constituents.

[Kamaji]

I fail to see the difference between that and what Gaetz did.

So Gaetz was required to vote for McCarthy because he was in the minority, but now the Establishment hack holdouts don't have to follow McCarthy even though he endorsed Jordan?

Seems like a serious double standard here. Not to mention these holdouts were willing to make deals with Rats, and go on CNN to air the dirty laundry.

Don't recall Gaetz doing that. He kept it strictly in-house and was willing to negotiate with McCarthy for a deal. These jerks now just want their way or they take their ball and go home, or elect Jeffries.

The double standard is all on the part of Gaetz and company, in particular the ones who rejected Scalise, who was after all, the preferred nominee of the party.

There is no two ways about it.  The spoilt children here are Gaetz, Jordan, and the other self-proclaimed "conservatives", and they have no cause to complain when their own stupid childish tricks are used against them. 

Maybe, just for once, they should learn how to persuade, instead of going on crusades where they're the only true believers and think they have the right to bludgeon everyone else into doing what they want.  That only works when one has an outright majority, and that is a long, long way away from the current state of affairs.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

And now the other side is doing the exact same thing, except they aren't even trying to reach a deal, except maybe with the Rats.

McCarthy has endorsed, so majority premise is now moot. The vacators have offered their heads on a plate, so what is the holdouts' excuse now?

The majority premise is not moot. The majority of the caucus clearly prefers that McCarthy be Speaker, but the eight dissenters made that impossible.  McCarthy himself would prefer to be Speaker, but is trying to be a team player by endorsing Jordan.  That does not obligate McCarthy's supporters to surrender the majority principle and support Jordan.

And it's worth noting that despite Jordan himself endorsing McCarthy both in January and recently, the dissenters refused to follow Jordan, and chose to sink McCarthy anyway.

McCarthy's supporters are doing to Jordan exactly what Gaetz and Co. did to McCarthy.  And they should keep doing it unless and until the Freedom Caucus agrees to support a compromise candidate rather than their dream candidate in Jordan.

[Kamaji]

Joey Mannarino
@JoeyMannarinoUS
The GOP is essentially becoming The Whig Party right now.

The will of the people is no longer part of the equation in this Speaker's battle.

We now have absolutely no idea who is going to materialize as a candidate.

McCarthy is out. Scalise is out. Jordan is out.

Where do we go from here?

What is the "will of the people" then?  That is such a glib, easy term to use, but too often it is not unpacked and the speaker's unstated premises examined.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Electing Jim Jordan Speaker was not my will.

MAGAS need to learn math.  30%-40% is NOT a majority, no matter how obnoxious, loud, and threatening they are.

Could Sean Hannity be dinged for being an unregistered lobbyist, and FoxNews dinged for being an unregistered lobbying organization?  Calling Congressmen to ask them to change their votes is not journalism - it's lobbying.

[Right_in_Virginia]

What is the "will of the people" then?  That is such a glib, easy term to use

We, the people are done with the GOP wing of the Uniparty.  Need a hint?   As of today, Trump's closest GOP reivals are in the single digits at 8 percent,  51 points behind him.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I fail to see the difference between that and what Gaetz did.

If you fail to see the difference, then why are you complaining? You cheered on Gaetz when he did it, so you have no principled basis on which to condemn those who are doing it now.

I personally do see a difference, though.  When there was an open vote in conference for everybody to vote for who they wanted as Speaker back in December, McCarthy got 188 votes to just 31 for Andy Biggs.  McCarthy was the clear, freely chosen majority choice.  And then, after McCarthy was removed, Scalise won the head-to-head vote against Jordan.

Jordan, in contrast, only won a majority after the same dissenters refused to vote for either McCarthy or Scalise, making their election by the full House of Representatives impossible. It was only by knocking the top two candidates off the ballot that Jordan managed to get a majority.

So the difference I see is that Gaetz & Co. opposed the first place guy, and the current dissenters are opposing the third place guy.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Stephen Miller
@StephenM
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Conservative voters have know(n) for a while that the Senate is predominately composed of Washington Establishment Republicans (unrestricted foreign trade, foreign migration, foreign war, cultural surrender at home). Many are only now learning the House is composed much the same.

[corbe]

@JakeSherman

Kevin Hern. Jack Bergman. Two of the candidates for speaker.
1:14 PM · Oct 20, 2023
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