Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200

[Free Vulcan]

So...what is the consistent rule or principle here to which you believe members should be bound?

If the rule is that every member should rally around whichever candidate for Speaker has majority support in the caucus, then McCarthy should have been elected on the first ballot in January and should still be Speaker.

But if that's not the rule, then nobody is obliged to vote for Jordan.

What you guys want is two different rules - one for if a moderate has majority support, and one for if a conservative has the most support.  So conservatives were not obligated to vote for McCarthy, but moderates are required to vote for Jordan.

Some moderates - and even some conservatives - are calling that out as a double standard and are refusing to play by two different sets of rules.

Whatever credibility the Establishment thought they had, they just blew with their little temper tantrum. Jordan has 200 votes - by far the majority. It's a bunch of spoiled diaper brats that won't vote for him and are even willing to elect a Rat. That was never an option when the Speaker vote for McCarthy taken.

The Establishment for decades demanded the conservatives play ball despite all the crap sandwich legislation that has gotten us to where we are, and expect conservatives to just keep  following along. It's obviously just a one way street.

[Kamaji]

This won't be on anyone's radar next November.  That's an eternity away.  If anything, Republican voters will still be thinking about McCarthy's Paul Ryan imitation.

Oh, Republican incompetence will be playing in every DNC campaign ad next year, and it will matter to precisely the people the republicans need to win - moderates and independents.  This stupid little shitshow, run twice (at least) in close succession, will be one of the DNC's best talking points next year.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Whatever credibility the Establishment thought they had, they just blew with their little temper tantrum. Jordan has 200 votes - by far the majority.

You didn't answer the question as to what the rule should be, and it's relevant because McCarthy had an even larger margin in January when Gaetz and Co. refused to vote for him, and again recently when they voted him out.

Either you're obligated to vote for the guy with majority support, or you're not.  So which is it?

It's a bunch of spoiled diaper brats that won't vote for him and are even willing to elect a Rat. That was never an option when the Speaker vote for McCarthy taken.

Right - because the other "choice" presented by Gaetz and Co. was just not to elect a Speaker at all.

The Establishment for decades demanded the conservatives play ball despite all the crap sandwich legislation that has gotten us to where we are, and expect conservatives to just keep  following along. It's obviously just a one way street.

We already established that there has never been a time when a conservative speaker candidate had majority support within the caucus, and the moderates refused to elect him.

In terms of legislation rather than Speaker elections, representatives have always been free to cast their votes however they wish regardless of whether they are members of the Freedom Caucus or not.  There has never been, for either side, the same rule of always supporting the majority view.

[Kamaji]

Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks gets death threats after voting against Jordan for House speaker

By Allie Griffin
Published Oct. 19, 2023

An Iowa Republican who voted against Rep. Jim Jordan for the House speakership said she has received “credible death threats” since withdrawing her support for him in the second round of voting.

Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks said she has gotten “a barrage of threatening calls” and multiple threats to her life after she voted for Rep. Kay Granger, chair of the House Appropriations Committee, on Wednesday afternoon.

Miller-Meeks initially voted for Jordan, a staunch Ohio conservative, in the first vote for speaker on Tuesday before she changed her pick the following day.

Jordan was nominated by the majority of his party last week but failed twice to garner enough votes to be elected the new House speaker after Rep. Kevin McCarthy was ousted from the post.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/10/19/rep-mariannette-miller-meeks-gets-death-threats-after-voting-against-jordan-for-house-speaker/

[mystery-ak]

GOP Rep. Bacon: Jordan Is Done, He Needs to ‘Withdraw’ from Speaker Race —

Representative Don Bacon (R-NE) said Wednesday on CNN’s “The Lead” that Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) should withdraw from the speaker race because he will not get the votes.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/10/18/gop-rep-bacon-jordan-is-done-he-needs-to-withdraw-from-speaker-race/

[mystery-ak]

Jim Jordan weighs alternative to withdrawing from House speaker race
by Ashley Oliver, Justice Department Reporter
October 19, 2023 08:10 AM

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) is weighing an exit strategy in the House speaker race after two failed bids for the gavel and the prospect of a third round of voting appearing to be a guaranteed loss.

The Ohio Republican met with a small group on Wednesday night that included Speaker Pro Tempore Patrick McHenry (R-NC), former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), and a few aides to discuss his next moves, according to a source familiar with the meeting.

They discussed Jordan supporting a resolution that has become increasingly popular among Jordan's detractors that would broaden McHenry's powers through January in exchange for McHenry continuing to support Jordan as speaker-designate.

House leaders would use Jordan's position as speaker-designate over the next few months to bring Jordan, at least informally, into the leadership fold as they test his abilities to perform the role through events, fundraisers, and more.

The plan would set Jordan up for a third speaker vote in January if he were to remain speaker-designate until then. It would also give Jordan the ability to avoid conceding a loss and withdrawing as the Republicans' internal nominee while the House GOP remains in an elevated state of turmoil with no leader for more than two weeks.

Many of Jordan's most fervent supporters, such as those in the House Freedom Caucus, have already signaled they do not support expanding McHenry's powers, so winning them over would be a clear challenge. The McHenry plan would require Democratic Party support if more than four Republicans were to oppose it, given the GOP's slim majority.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/house-speaker-race-jim-jordan-weighs-alternative-withdrawing

[Maj. Bill Martin]

GOP Rep. Bacon: Jordan Is Done, He Needs to ‘Withdraw’ from Speaker Race —

Representative Don Bacon (R-NE) said Wednesday on CNN’s “The Lead” that Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) should withdraw from the speaker race because he will not get the votes.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/10/18/gop-rep-bacon-jordan-is-done-he-needs-to-withdraw-from-speaker-race/

I think that is verbatim from a statement Matt Gaetz made about McCarthy back in January after a couple rounds of voting.

[Free Vulcan]

You didn't answer the question as to what the rule should be, and it's relevant because McCarthy had an even larger margin in January when Gaetz and Co. refused to vote for him, and again recently when they voted him out.

I guess we should ask you that, because the goal posts keep changing. You said majority. Jordan has the majority, but now he needs a bigger majority than McCarthy? Sounds like you require a different set of rules for the conservative side. They apparently get to even elect Rats if they don't get their way. That was never on the table when Gaetz opposed McCarthy.

Either you're obligated to vote for the guy with majority support, or you're not.  So which is it?

Dunno, you tell me. Is the Establishment required to follow their own rules or not?

Right - because the other "choice" presented by Gaetz and Co. was just not to elect a Speaker at all.

We already established that there has never been a time when a conservative speaker candidate had majority support within the caucus, and the moderates refused to elect him.

In terms of legislation rather than Speaker elections, representatives have always been free to cast their votes however they wish regardless of whether they are members of the Freedom Caucus or not.  There has never been, for either side, the same rule of always supporting the majority view.

Actually there is one - Jim Jordan.

Conservatives were 'free' to cast their votes as they wish, of course  if they wanted committee assignments and money to their districts they voted as they were told.

[Free Vulcan]

GOP Rep. Bacon: Jordan Is Done, He Needs to ‘Withdraw’ from Speaker Race —

Representative Don Bacon (R-NE) said Wednesday on CNN’s “The Lead” that Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) should withdraw from the speaker race because he will not get the votes.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/10/18/gop-rep-bacon-jordan-is-done-he-needs-to-withdraw-from-speaker-race/

Jordan is done, but McCarthy had 14 votes to get the speakership and that was ok?

Bacon needs to get in line. And what self-respecting Republican goes on CNN to air the dirty laundry?

[bilo]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/breaking-rinos-win-jim-jordan-withdraws-speakers-race/

So all the Establishment Loyalists should be happy. McCarthy 2.0 is going to be the Speaker on a "3 mo. interim basis".

The guy who gave us that awesome debt limit deal. I'm sure he will avoid another CR, or omnibus bill. /s

Again, the middle 60% of the economic scale get sold out.

[kevindavis007]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/breaking-rinos-win-jim-jordan-withdraws-speakers-race/

So all the Establishment Loyalists should be happy. McCarthy 2.0 is going to be the Speaker on a "3 mo. interim basis".

The guy who gave us that awesome debt limit deal. I'm sure he will avoid another CR, or omnibus bill. /s

Again, the middle 60% of the economic scale get sold out.

Your war against the Establishment is going to end in failure.  There are a lot who people who like so-called Establishment candidates.

[mystery-ak]

Jim Jordan Will Not Seek a Third Speaker Vote

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) confirmed Thursday he will not seek a third vote to become Speaker of the House and will back a plan to grant Speaker Pro Tempore Patrick McHenry (R-NC) more powers.

Jordan had lost two votes for Speaker after facing swift opposition from New York Republican moderates and many members of the House Appropriations Committee.

Breitbart News has documented how 22 House Republicans have denied Jordan the ability to serve as Speaker of the House despite overwhelming grassroots support for the Ohio Republican:

    Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE) voted for former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA)
    Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL) voted for Rep. Byron Donalds (R-FL)
    Rep. Lori Chavez-DeRemer (R-OR) voted for McCarthy
    Rep. Anthony D’Esposito (R-NY) voted for former Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-NY)
    Rep. Mario Díaz-Balart (R-FL) voted for House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-LA)
    Rep. Jake Ellzey (R-TX) voted for Rep. Mike Garcia (R-CA)
    Rep. Drew Ferguson (R-GA) voted for Scalise
    Rep. Andrew Garbarino (R-NY) voted for Zeldin
    Rep. Carlos Giminez (R-FL) voted for McCarthy
    Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-TX) voted for Scalise
    Rep. John James (R-MI) voted for former Rep. Candice Miller (R-MI)
    Rep. Mike Kelly (R-PA) voted for former Speaker John Boehner (R-OH)
    Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks (R-IA) voted for Rep. Kay Granger (R-TX)
    Rep. Granger voted for Scalise
    Rep. John Rutherford (R-FL) voted for Scalise
    Rep. Mike Simpson (R-ID) voted for Scalise
    Rep. Pete Stauber (R-MN) voed for Bruce Westerman (R-AR)
    Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO) voted for House Majority Whip Tom Emmer (R-MN)
    Rep. Jen Kiggans (R-VA) voted for McCarthy
    Rep. Nick LaLota (R-NY) voted for Zeldin
    Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) voted for Scalise
    Rep. Mike Lawler (R-NY) voted for McCarthy

Breitbart News senior legal contributor, Ken Klukowski,  has explained how elevating McHenry could also empower House Democrat Caucus Chair Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY):

    If something happens to both the president and vice president, then federal law at 3 U.S.C. § 19 says that the Speaker of the House becomes Acting President “until the expiration of the then current Presidential term.” After the Speaker, it goes to the president pro tempore of the Senate, then Cabinet secretaries in the order that Congress created their departments, starting with the secretary of state and ending with the secretary of homeland security.

    But it can only be a person with the true title of Speaker, not Speaker Pro Tempore or Acting Speaker. So if McHenry – or anyone else – is sitting in the Speaker’s chair as anything other than the true Speaker elected by a roll call vote of the House, then after Biden and Harris the powers of the presidency would bypass the House altogether, going to Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) as president pro tempore of the Senate, then to Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, then Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, and all the way through Biden’s Cabinet, to Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas. Everyone in that lineup is a Democrat, aside from a Speaker duly elected by the Republican-majority House.

“This would be a total sellout of the conservative agenda that won us the House majority,” says former U.S. Ambassador Ken Blackwell, chairman of the Conservative Action Project. “Republican members need to see through this plot by the uni-party establishment to block an America First agenda that would save our constitutional republic by stopping the Biden agenda and paving the way to elect a new president in 2024.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/10/19/jim-jordan-will-not-seek-a-third-speaker-vote/

[Kamaji]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/breaking-rinos-win-jim-jordan-withdraws-speakers-race/

So all the Establishment Loyalists should be happy. McCarthy 2.0 is going to be the Speaker on a "3 mo. interim basis".

The guy who gave us that awesome debt limit deal. I'm sure he will avoid another CR, or omnibus bill. /s

Again, the middle 60% of the economic scale get sold out.

Considering that Jordan was already promising another CR, that complaint is nothing more than spoilt child's sour grapes.

[kevindavis007]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/breaking-rinos-win-jim-jordan-withdraws-speakers-race/

So all the Establishment Loyalists should be happy. McCarthy 2.0 is going to be the Speaker on a "3 mo. interim basis".

The guy who gave us that awesome debt limit deal. I'm sure he will avoid another CR, or omnibus bill. /s

Again, the middle 60% of the economic scale get sold out.

Well maybe Gaetz shouldn't have pulled this stunt!

[bilo]

Considering that Jordan was already promising another CR, that complaint is nothing more than spoilt child's sour grapes.

I'm not surprised that after failing to see the real issue involved in this you would post that.

Now the big issue will be whether Rat votes will be required and if so what will the Establishment Loyalists give them.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Gaetz,

If you're going to kill the king ...

1.) Don't take the shot until you have a replacement to take the throne.
2.) Don't miss.

[bilo]

Well maybe Gaetz shouldn't have pulled this stunt!

Yeah I get it, the Establishment Loyalists never want to hold leadership responsible for failing to do what they said they would do.

Eventually the Patriots will have to either take over the party, or like the original Pubs split from the whigs.

[cato potatoe]

So all the Establishment Loyalists should be happy. McCarthy 2.0 is going to be the Speaker on a "3 mo. interim basis".

According to the ACU, McHenry was rated in the low 70s in recent years, while McCarthy was closer to 80%.  So it was unwise of Gaetz to roll the dice, when he knew a freedom caucuser would not be elected speaker by the 118th congress.

[DefiantMassRINO]

The Coo-Coo Caucus are a bunch of impulsive juvenile amateurs playing by high school rules.

[roamer_1]

Yeah I get it, the Establishment Loyalists never want to hold leadership responsible for failing to do what they said they would do.

Eventually the Patriots will have to either take over the party, or like the original Pubs split from the whigs.

 

A swing and a miss is better than no swing at all I guess. I still think it was a ham-handed attempt. But at least, an attempt. That's a something.

[Free Vulcan]

A swing and a miss is better than no swing at all I guess. I still think it was a ham-handed attempt. But at least, an attempt. That's a something.

Agree. It was bungled, but the can is not able to be kicked down the road anymore. No more business as usual, no more being smooth and projecting an image.

This country is nothing but a drunk old ox just plodding toward the edge of a cliff.

[Kamaji]

Agree. It was bungled, but the can is not able to be kicked down the road anymore. No more business as usual, no more being smooth and projecting an image.

This country is nothing but a drunk old ox just plodding toward the edge of a cliff.

I'm sure Speaker Jeffries will remember you in his victory speech.

[cato potatoe]

A swing and a miss is better than no swing at all I guess.

Only in certain situations.  Gaetz was hot dogging it, when he just needed to move the runners over, and he screwed his team.

[bilo]

Agree. It was bungled, but the can is not able to be kicked down the road anymore. No more business as usual, no more being smooth and projecting an image.

This country is nothing but a drunk old ox just plodding toward the edge of a cliff.

Led by a bunch of Establishment Loyalists who don't care because they think they will not be affected by the looming economic nightmare, to some extent they are right. The real burden will be felt by the 60% that are in the middle economic brackets.

We are adding Trillions every year to a debt we will soon be hard pressed to pay the interest on. What did our Establishment Loyalists do to stop this, NOTHING. Of course our Establishment Loyalist Pub posters are okay with this as long as the team wins.

[Hoodat]

Dunno, you tell me. Is the Establishment required to follow their own rules or not?

Ouch.