BREAKING....Thread 4...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON

[mystery-ak]

Just because they say they won't attack due to weather, it could be disinformation.  It's not a small decision.  You have Iran threatening to attack, Syria, Lebanon, West Bank....geez...everyone is out to get them.

Right...after all it is coming from the NYTimes...I haven't seen it anyplace else

Even D-Day was delayed due to weather..

[mystery-ak]

Israel: No Negotiations over Hostages; We Are Eliminating Hamas

The Israeli government said Saturday that it would not negotiate with the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas over the release of between 100 and 200 Israeli and international hostages, because it was destroying the organization and not trying to save it.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/10/14/israel-no-negotiations-over-hostages-we-are-eliminating-hamas/

[Wingnut]

Right...after all it is coming from the NYTimes...I haven't seen it anyplace else

Even D-Day was delayed due to weather..

Not quite the same but, point taken.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1713340409504522511

[mystery-ak]

Per the NYT

The invasion was initially planned for the weekend, but was delayed by a few days at least in part because of cloudy conditions that would have made it harder for Israeli pilots and drone operators to provide ground forces with air cover, the officers said.


In addition to infantry, the Israeli strike force will include tanks, sappers and commandos, the officers added. The ground troops will be given cover by war planes, helicopter gunships, aerial drones and artillery fired from land and sea.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-invasion.html

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1713371652858225116

[Smokin Joe]

What's the over/under for when the U.S. will be drawn into this?

Could be as soon as everyone realizes that Biden is really guilty of a lot of stuff, might wait until Iran tries to nuke one or more fleets in the Med.

Some folks are looking forward to Armageddon, and think it will benefit them.

The last Imam may well be a cockroach, climbing out of the well.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The Foreign Minister of Iran, Hossein Amir-Abdollahian met with the Leader of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh tonight in the Qatar Capital City of Doha.

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1713313026655322183

[Right_in_Virginia]

What's the over/under for when the U.S. will be drawn into this?

Lots of chatter rght now.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1713313026655322183

Am I the only one who remembers the Soleimani finale?

[Right_in_Virginia]

OSINTdefender
@sentdefender

A Chinese Envoy will reportedly Visit a number of Countries in the Middle East next week to weigh the possibility of a Peace Deal for the War in Israel.


11:05 PM · Oct 14, 2023

[240B]

Just came from cruising the web and it is official. The world has time-warped back to 1935. I have never seen so much open antisemitic propaganda in my life. It is like we are all suddenly living in Nazi Germany. And so many regular ordinary people in Western Nations seems to thrive on it. Nobody knew the true extent of the antisemitic undercurrent in First-World countries until the Hamas terror attack. It seems to have awakened all the antisemitic sleepers around the world.

[Smokin Joe]

Canadian News take on Gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfNJw2HGho4

[Right_in_Virginia]

15 min ago

Israel will start "significant military operations" only once civilians have left, IDF says

Israel will start "significant military operations" in Gaza only once they see that civilians have left, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson told CNN.

"The important thing here to focus on is that we will commence significant military operations only once we see that civilians have left the area," Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus said.

"It's really important that people in Gaza know we've been very, very generous with the time. We have given ample warning, more than 25 hours... I cannot stress more than enough to say now is the time for Gazans to leave.

"Take your belongings, go south. Preserve your life, and do not fall into the trap that Hamas is setting up for you."
More than half of Gaza’s 2 million residents live in the northern section that Israel has told to evacuate. Many families, some of whom were already internally displaced, are now crammed into an even smaller portion of the 140-square-mile territory.

Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been fleeing south through the battered streets of Gaza after the Israeli military told them to leave northern areas of the densely populated strip.

Parts of the south are becoming even more crowded and overstretched, Gazans say, as waves of Palestinians abandon their homes in the wake of Israel’s statement, ahead of an anticipated ground assault by the IDF.

According to Conricus, the area around the Gaza Strip is densely packed with "hundreds of thousands of Israeli reserve units" that are preparing for various missions.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-15-23/index.html

[Right_in_Virginia]

27 min ago

It's morning in Gaza and Israel. Here's where things stand:

What would a ground invasion look like?

Israel’s tactics have always been to move quickly and control as much territory as possible, but avoid street-to-street, house-to-house fighting where a weaker opponent can take full advantage of the terrain, CNN's Ben Wedeman writes. Entering urban areas in Gaza, however, would bring a new element to the fight.

Hamas has shown a level of military capability far beyond what was previously thought, and is probably well-prepared for the next phase of the war, Wedeman's analysis notes.

Israeli forces will also have to be mindful dozens of Hamas hostages – both soldiers and civilians, including women and children – are being held in the crowded enclave. Although no one outside Hamas knows where they’re being held, it’s likely they’re in the most difficult areas for Israeli forces to access, possibly in refugee camps, Wedeman writes.

The crisis unfolding in Gaza:

Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been fleeing south through the battered streets of Gaza after the Israeli military told them to leave northern areas of the strip for their safety.

Parts of the south are becoming even more crowded and overstretched, Gazans say, as waves of Palestinians abandon their homes. The World Health Organization said Israel's call for mass evacuations amounts to "a death sentence for the sick and injured" at crowded hospitals in northern Gaza.

Israel has pounded the territory with airstrikes since Hamas launched its terror attacks last week, and has also ordered a "complete siege," cutting off access to electricity, fuel, food, medicine and water.

More airplanes carrying aid from Jordan, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, the World Health Organization and the Red Cross arrived at Egypt's El-Arish Airport Saturday, but Jordanian and Egyptian officials have said they are still trying to secure safe passage for the supplies.

Diplomatic efforts continue:

US President Joe Biden has spoken to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to discuss security and efforts to prevent the conflict from widening.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken has met with leaders in the surrounding region, in an effort to address civilian protection, humanitarian aid and the need to prevent further escalation in the region.


https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-15-23/index.html

[Smokin Joe]

Find tunnel networks. Fill tunnels with explosive gas mixtures. Detonate same from a safe distance (like a fuel air bomb), if activity in the tunnels does not set the mixture off. Lather, rinse, repeat...get Hamas above ground and deal with them. Deny them the labyrinths they have constructed.

[Right_in_Virginia]

35 minute ago

Gaza residents flee south as Israel prepares for ‘next stages of war’

Hundreds of thousands of people in northern Gaza are fleeing in buses, cars and on foot, crowding onto narrow roads leading south after Israel’s evacuation warning. The Israeli military said it is preparing a “wide range” of offensive plans “for the next stages of the war, with an emphasis on significant ground operations,” though it has not provided a concrete indication of when the assault would start.

A U.S. evacuation deal to allow American citizens to leave Gaza via the Rafah border into Egypt during a small window on Saturday faltered after Palestinian and Egyptian officials failed to communicate, The Washington Post reported.

The humanitarian situation in Gaza is “fast becoming untenable,” U.N. relief head Martin Griffiths warned Saturday, adding that “the worst is yet to come.”

Here’s what to know:

*The Hamas attack killed at least 1,300 people in Israel and injured about 3,300, authorities said. Palestinian officials said 2,215 people in Gaza have been killed and more than 8,700 wounded in Israeli strikes.

*Israeli national security adviser Tzahi Hanegbi — the first government official to give a news briefing since the war began — said he “clearly made a mistake” in assessing before the war that “Hamas is deterred.”

*The United States is working with the governments of Israel, Egypt and Jordan, as well as with the United Nations, “to surge support to ease the humanitarian consequences of Hamas’s attack, create conditions needed to resume the flow of assistance, and advocate for the upholding of the law of war,” President Biden said Saturday.

*The World Health Organization said Israel’s directive to evacuate hospitals in northern Gaza was a “death sentence for the sick and injured,” and called on the country to reverse it. The Palestine Red Crescent Society has said it will continue to operate the al-Quds Hospital and Gaza’s emergency medical center.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/15/israel-gaza-war-updates-hamas-palestine/

[Right_in_Virginia]

Find tunnel networks. Fill tunnels with explosive gas mixtures. Detonate same from a safe distance (like a fuel air bomb), if activity in the tunnels does not set the mixture off. Lather, rinse, repeat...get Hamas above ground and deal with them. Deny them the labyrinths they have constructed.

I've read this strategy in other places.  Would this mean saving hostages is no longer part of the plan?

[Smokin Joe]

I've read this strategy in other places.  Would this mean saving hostages is no longer part of the plan?

It would be wonderful if that could be done.
But chances are most of the hostages are dead by now.
At least denying Hamas the tunnels would mean they can't use them to get in the Israeli rear and put the entire effort in disarray. It would make it far more difficult for Hamas to do pop-up attacks, too.
The alternative is to invade the tunnel system as well, where the home turf advantage is considerable, and if the Israelis get close to cornering Hamas there, the hostages will likely be executed anyway.

I suppose there is always that longshot chance they would try to bargain with them for their own lives, but these aren't normal people anyway, and a lifetime of imprisonment might pale compared to 72 virgins.

[Right_in_Virginia]

China: Israel’s actions in Gaza have gone ‘beyond the scope of self-defense’
Times of Israel, Oct 15, 2023

Israel’s actions in Gaza have gone “beyond the scope of self-defense” and the Israeli government must “cease its collective punishment of the people of Gaza,” China’s foreign minister Wang Yi says.

Wang, who made the comments on a call to his Saudi Arabian counterpart Prince Faisal bin Farhan on Saturday, said “all parties should not take any action to escalate the situation and should return to the negotiating table as soon as possible,” according to a foreign ministry readout.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/china-israels-actions-in-gaza-have-gone-beyond-the-scope-of-self-defense/

[240B]

Nobody on Earth should listen to China talking about 'restraint' or 'human rights'.
China and its satellite North Korea are the most repressive genocidal governments in the world.

[Elderberry]

Powerline Posted on October 15, 2023 by Scott Johnson in Hamas, Israel
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/10/live-from-tel-aviv-7.php

Live from Tel Aviv

IDF Lt. Colonel (reserve) Jonathan Conricus provides his eighth daily update on the status of the Hamas/Israel war a few hours ago. The video is below. In advance of the apparent ground incursion for which the IDF has massed at the border of the Gaza Strip, Hamas seeks to prevent the evacuation of Arab civilians. Hamas wants them in place so that they can star as casualties in the media. He cautiously breaks down one incident and urges that information emanating from Gaza be treated with skepticism.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1713404793790550313

[Timber Rattler]

This guy!

Retired Israeli general who rescued his family under siege from Hamas is being compared on social media to Liam Neeson's character in 'Taken'

https://www.businessinsider.com/israeli-general-rescued-family-from-hamas-like-liam-neeson-taken-2023-10

A former Israeli general's rescue of his son's family from Hamas fighters attacking their kibbutz is being compared to Liam Neeson in "Taken" on social media.

Award-winning journalist Amir Tibon was at home in Nahal Oz, a kibbutz bordering Gaza, when Hamas attacked communities along the border on October 7.

As the sounds of gunfire came closer to the safe room Amir's family was sheltering, he rang his father, Noam Tibon, a 62-year-old retired major-general living in Tel Aviv.

On hearing the news, the grandfather, who spent his military career specializing in counter-terrorism, replied to his son: "Trust me, I will come.'" He knew that I would come. This is my profession, nobody can stop me," Noam told NBC Nightly News.

EXCERPT

And the terrorists didn't stop him...!

[mystery-ak]

Fmr IDF special operator suggests delay in ground invasion due to new hostage intel

Former Israeli special operator Aaron Cohen says the delay of Israel's ground invasion may be due to new intelligence regarding the state of hostages taken by Hamas in Gaza.

Cohen appeared on Fox News on Sunday to offer analysis of the situation. Israel had previously said it delayed its invasion plans this weekend due to poor weather that threatened to obstruct the air force's ability to support ground troops, though Cohen suggested that may not be the full story.

"What we need is what Israel does best. They come together, they're creative. They've got the intestinal fortitude. They've got the experience, and right now thousands of phone calls are being listened to. You're about to see Israel [do] what it does best: rescue good people. So stand by," Cohen said.

Cohen went on to say that buying time to save hostages is a top priority for Israeli forces, and a phony delay of the invasion may have offered extra time.
Posted by Anders Hagstrom

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1713525125478228437