Trump vows to end birthright citizenship for illegal aliens if president again

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Agreed.  Cutting off the free stuff would solve at least 90% of the problem, without having to go through the grief of a Constitutional amendment process.

Absolutely.  Although the one we're still stuck with is educating for free kids who are here illegally.

Supreme Court definitely got that one wrong.

[Bigun]

You want to know what absolute nonsense is? It's the idea that ANYONE would pass an amendment to the constitution that would automatically confer citizenship on the child of ANYONE from ANYWHERE who could somehow manage to get herself onto U. S. soil for long enough to have a child. THAT sir is ABSOLUTE nonsense!

[Kamaji]

You want to know what absolute nonsense is? It's the idea that ANYONE would pass an amendment to the constitution that would automatically confer citizenship on the child of ANYONE from ANYWHERE who could somehow manage to get herself onto U. S. soil for long enough to have a child. THAT sir is ABSOLUTE nonsense!

Then they must all have been idiots, because that is what they did. 

[Bigun]

Then they must all have been idiots, because that is what they did.

No! They did NO SUCH THING, and the legislative record is 100% clear on the matter.

[libertybele]

You want to know what absolute nonsense is? It's the idea that ANYONE would pass an amendment to the constitution that would automatically confer citizenship on the child of ANYONE from ANYWHERE who could somehow manage to get herself onto U. S. soil for long enough to have a child. THAT sir is ABSOLUTE nonsense!

Amen!!

[Hoodat]

You want to know what absolute nonsense is? It's the idea that ANYONE would pass an amendment to the constitution that would automatically confer citizenship on the child of ANYONE from ANYWHERE who could somehow manage to get herself onto U. S. soil for long enough to have a child. THAT sir is ABSOLUTE nonsense!

What difference would that have made back in 1868 when the US wasn't a socialist nanny state?

[Kamaji]

No! They did NO SUCH THING, and the legislative record is 100% clear on the matter.

Yes, they did, and the legislative record is 100% clear in that regard.  The only people who were excluded from birthright citizenship were tribal indians and the families of ambassadors and legatees.  Children of people who were private citizens of other countries were not excluded.  The legislative history is crystal clear on that point.

[Bigun]

Yes, they did, and the legislative record is 100% clear in that regard.  The only people who were excluded from birthright citizenship were tribal indians and the families of ambassadors and legatees.  Children of people who were private citizens of other countries were not excluded.  The legislative history is crystal clear on that point.

BZZZZ! Wrong! again! Excluded were ALL those whose parents did not have full and complete allegiance to the United States!

[Kamaji]

BZZZZ! Wrong! again! Excluded were ALL those whose parents did not have full and complete allegiance to the United States!

Sorry, but that is simply not true.  The only people excluded were Indians and the families of ambassadors.

[Bigun]

Sorry, but that is simply not true.  The only people excluded were Indians and the families of ambassadors.

Section 1 Rights

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...

Anyone interested is free to examine the record for themselves.

https://www.scribd.com/document/36527058/Congressional-Debates-of-the-14th-Amendment

[kevindavis007]

Why didn't he do this the first time around?

[Hoodat]

Anyone here illegally is still subject to US jurisdiction.  Hence the term 'illegal'..

Just a reminder, in the second half of the nineteenth century, the US wanted more citizens, not less.  And Republicans wanted to ensure that the children of slaves born here had a future here as citizens.

[Kamaji]

Anyone interested is free to examine the record for themselves.

https://www.scribd.com/document/36527058/Congressional-Debates-of-the-14th-Amendment

Yup, and the only people who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. are indians with tribal affiliations and ambassadors and their staff.

Claiming that someone whose parents were foreign citizens is not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. leads to the ludicrous result that such a person could not be arrested, tried, and if convicted, fined or imprisoned for committing any crime; the only remedy available to the U.S. would be expulsion.

So, people who claim that newborns whose parents are citizens of another country at the time of birth are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. are effectively claiming that the U.S. has no power or authority to arrest those parents for DUI, or robbery, or arson, or fraud, or any of the other innumerable crimes for which ordinary private individuals can normally be arrested, tried, and punished.

That is a far more ludicrous result than the result that, because exclusionary immigration policies had not yet become standard in the U.S., the drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment excluded only Indians and Ambassadors.

[Bigun]

Yup, and the only people who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. are indians with tribal affiliations and ambassadors and their staff.

Claiming that someone whose parents were foreign citizens is not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. leads to the ludicrous result that such a person could not be arrested, tried, and if convicted, fined or imprisoned for committing any crime; the only remedy available to the U.S. would be expulsion.

So, people who claim that newborns whose parents are citizens of another country at the time of birth are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. are effectively claiming that the U.S. has no power or authority to arrest those parents for DUI, or robbery, or arson, or fraud, or any of the other innumerable crimes for which ordinary private individuals can normally be arrested, tried, and punished.

That is a far more ludicrous result than the result that, because exclusionary immigration policies had not yet become standard in the U.S., the drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment excluded only Indians and Ambassadors.

Hogwash! 100% USDA Choice grade. I was born a U. S. citizen and have never been anything else. I have also had the privilege of working in numerous foreign countries but have never been immune to arrest in ANY of them.