Trump vows to end birthright citizenship for illegal aliens if president again

[Idiot]

The bottom line is that TRUMP CAN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.  He's just blowing hot air AGAIN!

[Kamaji]

So, what you are telling me, is that both the 2nd and the 14th are being interpreted by the supporters of specific causes for their own benefit? History is very revalent to both.

I will agree with the issue of controversy.

What I am saying is that a lot of supposed controversy over Constitutional provisions has to do with people who, for other reasons, dislike the clear import of a provision, and want to overcome that clear import by ginning up a controversy that doesn't exist.  It took the brilliance of Justice Scalia to bring the rules of grammar to bear on the issue of the precatory clause of the Second Amendment.  And even now, there is plenty of fake controversy over whether the Second Amendment's scope is limited to muskets, because those were the firearms in common employ when the Constitution was drafted.

Just so, there are plenty of people who, for a variety of reasons, some scurrilous, some not, wish that the Fourteenth Amendment did not say what it in fact says.

[Kamaji]

The bottom line is that TRUMP CAN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.  He's just blowing hot air AGAIN!

Certainly not by means of an executive order.

[libertybele]

Ahh well.  That's why we have the Supreme Court:  to protect us, as much as possible, from people who wish to impose their personal desires on the the words of the Constitution itself, and thence to impose their personal predilections on the rest of us.

Unfortunately the SCOTUS has on occasion re-written law rather than interpret it.

[libertybele]

The 14th Amendment isn't so cut and dry. Ted Cruz who I think has one of the most brilliant minds that there is, weighs in on birthright citizenship and I tend to agree with the good Senator!

Ted Cruz: Birthright citizenship "doesn't make sense"


Texas Sen. Ted Cruz wants to put an end to birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants, proposing an amendment to the Constitution if necessary.

"I think birthright citizenship as a policy matter doesn't make sense," Cruz said in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS' "Face the Nation." "We have right now upwards of 12 million people living here illegally. It doesn't make any sense that our law automatically grants citizenship to their children because what it does is it incentivizes additional illegal immigration."

The issue of nullifying birthright citizenship, while long in the sights of Republican legislators, recently took off in the 2016 policy debates when billionaire Donald Trump proposed to do away with it as part of his comprehensive immigration plan. Trump added last week that he didn't believe "anchor babies" were actually citizens -- and the crowded Republican field rushed to weigh in.

The Supreme Court has long held that the Fourteenth Amendment guarantees those born on U.S. soil American citizenship. The Amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."

Yet some constitutional scholars, according to Cruz, say that Congress could simply "pass a law defining what the words in the 14th Amendment 'subject to the jurisdiction' means." But in order to assure the repeal of birthright citizenship, the Texas senator also proposed wholly amending the Constitution, saying "we should change the law." ...........

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ted-cruz-birthright-citizenship-doesnt-make-sense/

[sneakypete]

Delusional twit.  So now a mere executive order supersedes the text of the U.S. Constitution itself?

Of course, plenty of marks will lap this sh*t up.

@Kamaji

So,you think the US Constitution protects illegal aliens?

[sneakypete]

There have been numerous debates and constitutional scholars weighing in on the issue of anchor babies.  Any pregnant Juanita can enter this country ILLEGALLY, deliver a baby and that baby is then a U.S. citizen.  I see it as wrong!!  Any pregnant women who is also a terrorist can deliver a baby and that baby is then a U.S. citizen -- wrong again.

PARENTS need to be citizens of the U.S. in order for their babies to be citizens period.

@libertybele

Not only is that child an "instant citizen",but her mother automatically gets a US Visa to remain in the US to take care of the new citizen. She eventually becomes a US citizen herself.

And after the mother becomes a citizen,she  can sponsor a new citizen.

"And the beat goes on,

and the beat goes on."

[libertybele]

@libertybele

Not only is that child an "instant citizen",but her mother automatically gets a US Visa to remain in the US to take care of the new citizen. She eventually becomes a US citizen herself.

And after the mother becomes a citizen,she  can sponsor a new citizen.

"And the beat goes on,

and the beat goes on."

Bottom line-- the law needs to be changed/amended  It should have been long ago, but it takes quite some doing to accomplish that.

...and so, yes, the beat goes on ...

[Hoodat]

It may very well be wrong; it may be bad policy; but that doesn't change the fact that it is what the Constitution provides for.  One solution is, as has been noted, to rigorously enforce immigration law - a policy I whole-heartedly accept; however, if one manages to get through - for example, by overstaying a visitor or student visa, and then gives birth, that child will still be a U.S. citizen.

Otherwise, it'll be necessary to amend the Constitution.

Agreed.  One must consider how different this country was back in 1868.  Granting citizenship would have been encouraged back then - 'manifest destinly', and all that - primarily because there was no cost associated with it.  But unfortunately over the last century and a half, there has been such a massive giveaway to those professing to be citizens, that there is now a huge cost incurred by our nation to this same group.

Over the next 75 after Amendment XIV became law, the United States was known as the bastion of freedom, liberty, and opportunity.  But something began to change.  As the US slid into socialism, citizenship became an entitlement instead of an opportunity.  The American Dream devolved from a belief that with hard work anyone could achieve success into one where anyone could share in the the benefits of everyone else's hard work by receiving free government benefits.

It is this part that needs to be changed - not the Fourteenth Amendment.  Sure, anyone born here can enjoy the benefits of citizenship, i.e. the opportunity to create a new destiny.  But the thing one born here should NEVER enjoy is the benefits of someone else's labor taken away by force.

If a foreign national comes here and gives birth to a new US citizen, that doesn't change their status.  They can still be deported.  And under no condition are they ever to be given free anything.  So if they still want their citizen children to have that opportunity they were born into, they better work their asses off just like the rest of us, and cherish the freedom that allows them to do it.

[Hoodat]

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz wants to put an end to birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants, proposing an amendment to the Constitution if necessary.

It will be necessary.  In the mean time, can we please just cut off the free stuff?

[240B]

In my neighborhood the Hispanics are going LOCO!! Music is insane.
And all the Blacks are running away...small victories

[sneakypete]

It will be necessary.  In the mean time, can we please just cut off the free stuff?

@Hoodat

No.

Not unless you want to deal with news reports and other videos showing "chilruns stavin ta DEATH in da streets! STARVIN,AH TELLS YA,AND HIT ALL BEES DE FALTS OB DOSE EBIL REPUBLIKANS!

There is only one answer. Arrest them and deport them,including the children.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Delusional twit.  So now a mere executive order supersedes the text of the U.S. Constitution itself?

Of course, plenty of marks will lap this sh*t up.

He's been lying for years now, so what difference does yet another make?  Plenty of ignorant yahoos will lap it up as proof that Trump is some kind of tough guy, even though he knows perfectly well that he can't deliver on this promise.

[sneakypete]

He's been lying for years now, so what difference does yet another make?  Plenty of ignorant yahoos will lap it up as proof that Trump is some kind of tough guy, even though he knows perfectly well that he can't deliver on this promise.

@Maj. Bill Martin

WHY  can't he do it?

They are here ILLEGALLY.

[Hoodat]

WHY  can't he do it?

You mean, 'Why couldn't he do it?'

Past tense.

[sneakypete]

You mean, 'Why couldn't he do it?'

Past tense.

@Hoodat

Ok,so why DIDN'T he do it IF he said he was going to do that?

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

Ok,so why DIDN'T he do it IF he said he was going to do that?

And now you know why so many of us here no longer support Trump.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

WHY  can't he do it?

They are here ILLEGALLY.

According to the Constitution, a child born on U.S. soil is not here illegally.  Their parents are, but the child isn't.  And Donald Trump cannot change the Constitution by Executive Order.

As has been pointed out by others, if he truly has the power to do that, you should be furious that he didn't do it in his first term.

He's flat-out lying to you.

[Hoodat]

According to the Constitution, a child born on U.S. soil is not here illegally.  Their parents are, but the child isn't.

The parents can also be prosecuted, convicted, sentenced to prison, and finally evicted, regardless of whether their child is a US citizen.

[sneakypete]

And now you know why so many of us here no longer support Trump.

@Hoodat

That's not an answer.

[sneakypete]

According to the Constitution, a child born on U.S. soil is not here illegally.  Their parents are, but the child isn't. 

@Maj. Bill Martin

Sooooo,you  are saying the US Government has the right to split up families?

I don't believe the US Constitution allows us to separate children from their families,when the logical option would be to send the children back with their parents.

And Donald Trump cannot change the Constitution by Executive Order.

Where did I say he could

As has been pointed out by others, if he truly has the power to do that, you should be furious that he didn't do it in his first term.

And you would be bitching about that if he had done it.

He's flat-out lying to you.

I gotta news flash for you,ALL politicians lie. In some cases,it is even a requirement.

[sneakypete]

The parents can also be prosecuted, convicted, sentenced to prison, and finally evicted, regardless of whether their child is a US citizen.

@Hoodat

That makes sense. After all,they are not  only here illegally,they are committing other crimes while here/

Not that the ACLU won't defend them for free,of course.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Sooooo,you  are saying the US Government has the right to split up families?

Of course - happens all the time.

I don't believe the US Constitution allows us to separate children from their families.

Sure it does.  If parents - or a single parent - commits a crime, they get separated from their child and locked up.  Kids go to a relative or social services.   It would be janky as hell if you could commit murder with impunity knowing they wouldn't send you to jail because you had a kid.

And you would be bitching about that if he had done it.

No, because my point was that he doesn't have the authority to do that, which is one reason why he didn't do it in his first term.

I gotta news flash for you,ALL politicians lie. In some cases,it is even a requirement.

I guess an acknowledgement that Trump lies to his supporters like everyone else is progress.

[Kamaji]

According to the Constitution, a child born on U.S. soil is not here illegally.  Their parents are, but the child isn't.  And Donald Trump cannot change the Constitution by Executive Order.

As has been pointed out by others, if he truly has the power to do that, you should be furious that he didn't do it in his first term.

He's flat-out lying to you.

[Kamaji]

It will be necessary.  In the mean time, can we please just cut off the free stuff?

Agreed.  Cutting off the free stuff would solve at least 90% of the problem, without having to go through the grief of a Constitutional amendment process.