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[sneakypete]

Yet if Andrew Pollack found himself in Zelenskyy's shoes he'd run off and hide in another country. It's easy to run your mouth when you don't bare the responsibility of trying to guide your country through a Russian invasion and with a bounty on your head. Ukraine has done something no one thought they could. Pollack can go F'off.

@DB

Highlighted because it is BOTH true AND remarkable.

Frankly,I am still a little shocked the USSR didn't just run right over them as their government collapsed in fear.

Yeah,they have received a lot of war materials/equipment from the west,as well as encouragement,but NONE of that is equal to being on a front line and exchanging shots with a MUCH larger enemy.

[Hoodat]

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/17ygaxx/sbu_sniper_creates_new_world_record_sniping_a/

[Right_in_Virginia]

An entire generation of men has been wiped out over the last 20 months while Washington has been telling us they’re “weeks away from victory”

What a tragedy. (Video)

https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1726715143231533438

[DefiantMassRINO]

The Ukranians are at a strategic disadvantage because the Russians have air supremacy.

Until Ukraine can establish air superiority over Donbas and Crimea, they won't be able to push the Russians out.

Ukraine's air offenses would be better off if the Biden Admin and NATO allowed former Soviet Republics and Warsaw Pact members to give their Soviet/Russian air craft to Ukraine at the start of the war.

Once again, a US ally is hamstrung by American State Department ambivalence.

[Hoodat]

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An entire generation of men has been wiped out over the last 20 months while Washington has been telling us they’re “weeks away from victory”

What a tragedy

Who said we were "weeks away from victory"?

[Hoodat]

The Ukranians are at a strategic disadvantage because the Russians have air supremacy.

The Russians do not have air supremacy.

[Cyber Liberty]

Who said we were "weeks away from victory"?

Nobody I know of, and Biteme is surrounded by idiots.

[Cyber Liberty]

The Russians do not have air supremacy.

Neither does Ukraine, and that is a problem for them.

[sneakypete]

Nobody I know of, and Biteme is surrounded by idiots.

@Cyber Liberty

And even  they are smart enough  to understand they look sharp by comparison.

[DB]

Who said we were "weeks away from victory"?

She makes it up as she goes...

[Hoodat]

She makes it up as she goes...

In other words, yet another lie posted by @Right_in_Virginia on these boards.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

And even  they are smart enough  to understand they look sharp by comparison.

@sneakypete

'Zackly.

[Right_in_Virginia]

In other words, yet another lie posted by @Right_in_Virginia on these boards.

Is was a retweet @Hoodat   Maybe one of your doctors can explain this to you.  (You should ask them to check your meds, again)

Since you obviously missed the tweet the first time ----- here it is, just for you.

https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1726715143231533438

[DB]

Is was a retweet @Hoodat   Maybe one of your doctors can explain this to you.  (You should ask them to check your meds, again)

Since you obviously missed the tweet the first time ----- here it is, just for you.

https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1726715143231533438

At no point has anyone claimed Ukraine was going to win the war in two weeks. Many said that about Russia - and they were dead wrong. You have been trashing Ukraine from the start while posting anything favorable to Putin no matter how false. You're like Trump when he spreads lies by saying "some people say" followed by the lie. He didn't "say it" - as he says it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Who said we were "weeks away from victory"?

This gets your panties in a wad, but killing a generation of Ukrainian men you're okay with @Hoodat   


(BTW, maybe the early reports of Russian forces stuck in the mud, being a paper tiger, out of armaments, Putin's imminent death and those thousands of posts on social media showing Ukraine's magnificent and heroic battlefield victories laid the expectation of Ukraine's swift victory.  I believe it's called propaganda.---- worked   )

[Right_in_Virginia]

At no point has anyone claimed Ukraine was going to win the war in two weeks. Many said that about Russia - and they were dead wrong. You have been trashing Ukraine from the start while posting anything favorable to Putin no matter how false. You're like Trump when he spreads lies by saying "some people say" followed by the lie. He didn't "say it" - as he says it.

Maybe the early reports of Russian forces stuck in the mud, being a paper tiger, out of armaments, Putin's imminent death and those thousands of posts on social media showing Ukraine's magnificent and heroic battlefield victories laid the expectation of Ukraine's swift victory.  I believe it's called propaganda --- worked. .   @DB

[Hoodat]

This gets your panties in a wad, but killing a generation of Ukrainian men you're okay with @Hoodat

Not sure what that has to do with you posting lies on this forum, @Right_in_Virginia

But for the record, I'm not OK with killing a generation of Ukrainian men.  Or Ukrainian women for that matter.  Which is why I have been vehemently opposed to Russia invading Ukraine and killing Ukrainian men and women.  The sooner they are driven out of Ukraine, the better off Ukrainians will be.  But I doubt you really give a shit about Ukrainians since you have been an apologist for Russia this whole time.

[Hoodat]

Maybe the early reports of Russian forces stuck in the mud, being a paper tiger, out of armaments, Putin's imminent death and those thousands of posts on social media showing Ukraine's magnificent and heroic battlefield victories laid the expectation of Ukraine's swift victory.  I believe it's called propaganda --- worked. .   @DB

Maybe you should stop polluting this forum with lies.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Maybe you should stop polluting this forum with lies.

Maybe you should cease calling opinions you disagree with a lie and stop polluting this forum with idiocy.

[Hoodat]

This isn't about disagreeing with an opinion.  “Weeks away from victory” was in quotes.

[Smokin Joe]

This gets your panties in a wad, but killing a generation of Ukrainian men you're okay with @Hoodat   


(BTW, maybe the early reports of Russian forces stuck in the mud, being a paper tiger, out of armaments, Putin's imminent death and those thousands of posts on social media showing Ukraine's magnificent and heroic battlefield victories laid the expectation of Ukraine's swift victory.  I believe it's called propaganda.---- worked   )

How easy to forget the paroxysms of death rampant that killed off the most fit men in Europe during WWI and WWII, sometimes by the tens of thousands in a single attack. We have been breeding generations of 4Fs and sending the most fit to die, as has ever been the nature of war on the continent.

Aside from the Pax Britannica (1815-1914), this has been the longest period of relative peace in Europe. As for humans,

The earliest known state of warfare existed sometime between 13,400 and 18,600 years ago in what is now Sudan.

First excavated in the 1960s, the cemetery at Jebel Sahaba was revisited in recent years by at team of paleoanthropologists, anthropologists, geochemists and prehistorians armed with new technologies and perspectives.

What they discovered was that the remains thought to have come from a single battle in fact died over the course of protracted warfare that took place at least 8,000 years before the rise of Egyptian civilization.

https://legionmagazine.com/the-myth-of-the-long-peace/

So all we have to do is fight harder and we'll all be home for Christmas, right?

It was the Russians who were anticipated to overrun Ukraine in two weeks. That didn't work, because the Ukrainians have had something to say about that. Those who have not fought have taken families and left, but those who remain are the epitome of "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees".

We may praise those who took their final stand at Masada, and if so, how can anyone decry an entire nation resisting invasion, no matter the cost?

[sneakypete]

This isn't about disagreeing with an opinion.  “Weeks away from victory” was in quotes.

@Hoodat

I can see where  “Weeks away from victory” might have made sense to a civilian who had never really studied OR understood the "Soviet Police State System".

Unlike nations and national leaders in the west,the Soviets are a police state that not only  do NOT answer to public opinion,but who imprison or even execute any of their serfs who would dare to question the leadership OR the system.

This is understandably hard for someone who has never seriously studied the Soviet System or their history. Or the history of any police state,AFATG. They have a tendency to dig in and keep fighting,even if it is their own people they are fighting because there IS no such thing as "life after surrender/defeat" for the leadership of ANY police state.  ALL their money and power gets taken away,and then IF they are not put into prison and executed for crimes they ordered,they tend to spend the rest of their short lives on the run because they really have no place to go. After all,no other police state leader wants a fellow failed police state leader holed up in HIS police state because it MIGHT give his subordinates "ideas" about their own position and security.

Remember,these "socialist police states" ALL operate on fear,and this fear begins at the top and is as powerful at the bottom as it is at the top because NO ONE is allowed to live free and without fear. Fear is the "gasoline" that powers them.

The difference between the fear of those at the top and those at the bottom is a military and police that exists to protect the leadership and the "state". PLEASE note that in the case of a dictatorship like all Communist systems,the "state" is really a bureaucracy that exists to protect the leadership and itself,PERIOD.

The "worker bees" under their complete control ONLY exist to serve the "state",and by extension,the people who run the "state".

I know that most people in free nations have at one point been told this,but since THEY are generally safe from being afflicted with  this themselves,they  tend to forget,or even dismiss any truths they have been told because they either don't believe it because THEY haven't experienced it,or they lust after all the  alleged "free stuff" they have been told the Communist leaders supply  to all their people.

And.....,if you have grown up and lived in the west all your life and never been personally exposed "face to face" with  the reality of Communism,the reality of it CAN be hard for the typical westerner to believe.

[sneakypete]

How easy to forget the paroxysms of death rampant that killed off the most fit men in Europe during WWI and WWII, sometimes by the tens of thousands in a single attack. We have been breeding generations of 4Fs and sending the most fit to die, as has ever been the nature of war on the continent.

Aside from the Pax Britannica (1815-1914), this has been the longest period of relative peace in Europe. As for humans, https://legionmagazine.com/the-myth-of-the-long-peace/

So all we have to do is fight harder and we'll all be home for Christmas, right?

It was the Russians who were anticipated to overrun Ukraine in two weeks. That didn't work, because the Ukrainians have had something to say about that. Those who have not fought have taken families and left, but those who remain are the epitome of "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees".

We may praise those who took their final stand at Masada, and if so, how can anyone decry an entire nation resisting invasion, no matter the cost?

@Smokin Joe

And the part in bold IS "where the rubber meets the road",my friends.

[Timber Rattler]

https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1726715143231533438

Nobody has ever said that Ukraine was “weeks away from victory.”  That's an outright lie.

[Timber Rattler]

This gets your panties in a wad, but killing a generation of Ukrainian men you're okay with @Hoodat   

Putin is the one killing Ukrainians.  By your twisted logic Britain should have unconditionally surrendered to the Germans in both World Wars to avoid killing TWO generations of its men.  So if the Ukrainians had just surrendered to Putin and handed their entire country over to the Muscovites for reintegration into the Russian Empire, all would be well? 

You actually believe that nonsense? 

"Peace in our time?"

[Timber Rattler]

It was the Russians who were anticipated to overrun Ukraine in two weeks. That didn't work, because the Ukrainians have had something to say about that. Those who have not fought have taken families and left, but those who remain are the epitome of "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees".

Well said!

 

Personally, I'm appalled at this corrosive new appeasement strain within Conservative circles that unconditional surrender to totalitarian dictatorships and terrorists to "save lives" is now preferable to fighting for freedom and liberty.  It's apparently better now to live on our knees before thugs like Putin and Xi than die fighting for the principles our Founding Fathers established during our War for Independence.  What if George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and the other "rebels" had surrendered to King George like the British and their Loyalists in America demanded?  That war lasted 8 years...it seems that there is now no appetite for any war to defend those principles, no matter how necessary, that lasts for more than six months, because it is just too damned inconvenient.

[mountaineer]

In a surprise Kyiv stop, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin offers Ukraine support, $100 million in military hardware
Visit comes as doubts grow over Western commitment to grinding fight with Russia                   
By Mike Glenn - The Washington Times - Monday, November 20, 2023

Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin did not come empty-handed during his unannounced visit to Kyiv on Monday, where he sought to bolster Ukrainian resolve as its counteroffensive against Russian invaders appears to have stalled.

After traveling overnight by train from Poland, Mr. Austin said he came to Ukraine with the message that the U.S. will continue to stand with Kyiv. Along with words of encouragement, he announced a $100 million cache of military hardware.

The trip, Mr. Austin’s second to Ukraine since Russia invaded in February 2022, comes amid growing concern in Ukraine that the Israel-Hamas war has distracted the U.S. and its allies from this fight and could strain military supply chains. ...

[DB]

Maybe the early reports of Russian forces stuck in the mud, being a paper tiger, out of armaments, Putin's imminent death and those thousands of posts on social media showing Ukraine's magnificent and heroic battlefield victories laid the expectation of Ukraine's swift victory.  I believe it's called propaganda --- worked. .   @DB

So where is the quick win you claim we said?

Ukraine has had "magnificent and heroic battlefield victories". The likes of you thought Ukraine was done short after Putin invaded. Ukraine has successfully expelled a large number of Putin's invaders/mercenaries out of most of their country. That is nothing short of heroic. The "propaganda" has been all yours here.

And as far as the strength of Russia goes, Russia has been a continuous threat to all of Europe and the US for 70+ years. Clearly that threat has been laid bare by their inability to consume their smaller bordering neighbor to the west.

[Hoodat]

After traveling overnight by train from Poland, Mr. Austin said he came to Ukraine with the message that the U.S. will continue to stand with Kyiv. Along with words of encouragement, he announced a $100 million cache of military hardware. ...

Well there's a change.  Military hardware with no State Department or USAID graft attached?

[Hoodat]

It was the Russians who were anticipated to overrun Ukraine in two weeks. That didn't work, because the Ukrainians have had something to say about that. Those who have not fought have taken families and left, but those who remain are the epitome of "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees".

I am reminded of this scene from Red Dawn:  "Because we live here."

[kevindavis007]

Legit question:


If Russia demands Alaska back do we say:


1. No and risk a war with Russia?
2. Give them Alaska just to avoid war.


Yes, they do want Alaska back.

[sneakypete]

Legit question:


If Russia demands Alaska back do we say:


1. No and risk a war with Russia?
2. Give them Alaska just to avoid war.

Yes, they do want Alaska back.

@kevindavis007

We tell them "No",and let THEM risk going to  war with  US if they try to take it by force?

WHY  should Alaska,with all it's massive resources,be any different than Oklahoma,for example?

[Hoodat]

First action of Rheinmetall Skynex air defense system:

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/183lxpw/video_of_the_destruction_of_a_wave_of_black/

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Personally, I'm appalled at this corrosive new appeasement strain within Conservative circles that unconditional surrender to totalitarian dictatorships and terrorists to "save lives" is now preferable to fighting for freedom and liberty. 

I don't believe that the desire to save lives has anything to do with their position. Literally nothing.

Their motivation is the same thing we saw at TOS.  They see Russia as nationalist and pro-Trump, Ukraine as globalist and pro-Biden, and they want a Russian victory.  Most of them won't admit it publicly, but that's the truth.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Maybe the early reports of Russian forces stuck in the mud, being a paper tiger, out of armaments....

To a great extent, that all is true.

This war began with Russia having a massive advantage in terms of conventional military forces.  When you consider Russia's reported reserves - including things like 12,000 tanks and 20,000 artillery tubes - It was all but insurmountable.

But as it turned out, a great deal of Russia's military was hollow. The reported reserve equipment was either not maintained or poorly maintained, and most of it was inoperable. That left them with a still very considerable advantage in conventional forces at the outside of the war, but that has been whittled down over time by extraordinarily tough Ukrainian generalship, and better training at both the small unit and staff levels.

The idea that Ukraine would still be able to hold all the territory at holds, and inflict the massive damage upon Russia's military that has been inflicted, is something that was almost inconceivable at the start of the war.

People who didn't understand the strategic imbalance at the beginning of the war have tended to confuse Ukrainian battlefield victories with strategic victory, and an ability to end the war quickly.  But that doesn't render the Ukrainian battlefield victories or the degradation of the Russian military any less remarkable

[sneakypete]

To a great extent, that all is true.

This war began with Russia having a massive advantage in terms of conventional military forces.  When you consider Russia's reported reserves - including things like 12,000 tanks and 20,000 artillery tubes - It was all but insurmountable.

But as it turned out, a great deal of Russia's military was hollow. The reported reserve equipment was either not maintained or poorly maintained, and most of it was inoperable. That left them with a still very considerable advantage in conventional forces at the outside of the war, but that has been whittled down over time by extraordinarily tough Ukrainian generalship, and better training at both the small unit and staff levels.

The idea that you crane would still be able to hold all the territory at holds, and inflict the massive damage upon Russia's military that has been inflicted, is something that was almost inconceivable at the start of the war.

People who didn't understand the strategic imbalance at the beginning of the war have tended to confuse Ukrainian battlefield victories with strategic victory, and an ability to end the war quickly.  But that doesn't render the Ukrainian battlefield victories or the degradation of the Russian military any less remarkable

@Maj. Bill Martin

Amen,brother,amen!

[Smokin Joe]

The idea that you crane would still be able to hold all the territory at holds, and inflict the massive damage upon Russia's military that has been inflicted, is something that was almost inconceivable at the start of the war.

People who didn't understand the strategic imbalance at the beginning of the war have tended to confuse Ukrainian battlefield victories with strategic victory, and an ability to end the war quickly.  But that doesn't render the Ukrainian battlefield victories or the degradation of the Russian military any less remarkable

I agree with your assessment, but must note: Gotta love 'voice to text'...

If AI takes over, I am just going to sit back in a safe place with ample popcorn, snacks, and beverages and watch the wheels come off...

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I agree with your assessment, but must note: Gotta love 'voice to text'...

If AI takes over, I am just going to sit back in a safe place with ample popcorn, snacks, and beverages and watch the wheels come off...

At least I know somebody read it. Thanks!

[Hoodat]

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1867vbf/preliminary_information_came_out_that_russian/

[Smokin Joe]

Lots of senior officers gone...

[sneakypete]

Lots of senior officers gone...

@Smokin Joe

Which  is pretty rare,historically.  These are "bosses",not  combat commanders.

It ALMOST seems like someone at,or close to the top of the Soviet hierarchy is starting to "clean house". For what reasons,I can't even begin to guess.

[Elderberry]

Putin is urging women to have as many as 8 children after so many Russians died in his war with Ukraine

Yahoo News by Tom Porter 11/29/2023

•   Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging Russians to have more children.

•   "Large families must become the norm," Putin said in a speech Tuesday.

•   Russian birth rates are falling amid war in Ukraine and a deepening economic crisis.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging women to have as many as eight children as the number of dead Russian soldiers continues to rise in his war with Ukraine, worsening the country's population crisis.

Addressing the World Russian People's Council in Moscow on Tuesday, Putin said the country must return to a time when large families were the norm.

"Many of our grandmothers and great-grandmothers, had seven, eight, or even more children," Putin said.

"Let us preserve and revive these excellent traditions. Large families must become the norm, a way of life for all of Russia's people. The family is not just the foundation of the state and society, it is a spiritual phenomenon, a source of morality."

"Preserving and increasing the population of Russia is our goal for the coming decades and even generations ahead. This is the future of the Russian world, the millennium-old, eternal Russia," Putin continued.

More: https://news.yahoo.com/putin-urging-women-many-8-115933811.html

[mountaineer]

Putin is urging women to have as many as 8 children after so many Russians died in his war with Ukraine

I thought this sounded familiar ...

On August 12, 1938, Adolf Hitler institutes the Mother’s Cross, to encourage German women to have more children, to be awarded each year on August 12, Hitler’s mother’s birthday.

The German Reich needed a robust and growing population and encouraged couples to have large families.  ...

History.com

[DB]

Putin needs more pawns to wage war with... What mother wants their child to be used as cannon fodder?

[mountaineer]

I hope this doesn't mean Vlad plans to continue this war into the 2040s or so, whenever these new bouncing baby boys become of military age.

[DefiantMassRINO]

 

[Smokin Joe]

I thought this sounded familiar ...History.com

Well it beats opening your borders...

[sneakypete]

Putin is urging women to have as many as 8 children after so many Russians died in his war with Ukraine

@Elderberry

Pooty Poot is running out of peasants willing to die  for him,and needs to restock. That is a long-term prospect,so he  had better start talking peace soon in order to get the soliders back home so they can pump out some future corpses.

[mountaineer]

In re Ukraine's courting of Hollywood celebrities, e.g., Sean Penn, Ben Stiller, Matt Damon, etc.:

Danny Trejo refused a visit to Ukraine because the Office of the President wanted a “kickback".

https://twitter.com/SteveLovesAmmo/status/1730233266190344327

[mountaineer]

Actor Danny Trejo was offered $100,000 to visit Kiev and shake the hand of Ukr’s president. However, there was one catch: he’d receive $150,000, of which he'd give Andrey Yermak, the head of Zelensky’s office, $50,000 in cash.

https://twitter.com/RothLindberg/status/1730328896988405887