Why GOP voters are so loyal to Trump

[LMAO]

J6 was orchestrated by the left.   

This, along with "Trump was robbed" is why the GOP will continue to lose elections

[libertybele]

This, along with "Trump was robbed" is why the GOP will continue to lose elections

So, explain how that makes the GOP lose elections??? The truth is the truth.  SCOTUS looked the other way.  Our DOJ is corrupt.

Trump was a good president.  I have not changed my mind about him as a president. Sure there are things that he did that I take issue with, but every president has their flaws.  He had us pointed in a positive direction.

What I object to is him going after a conservative which goes against conservatism thriving and taking hold which I believe is much needed in '24 in order for our Republic to survive.  I also object to him resorting back to bullying. We don't need a repeat of '16.  We need a unified GOP and a unified GOP base.  That's just for starters.  We desperately need a solid push to ensure fair elections.

[Smokin Joe]

“And yet, when you accuse Donald Trump of being a criminal, even with all the evidence in the world,

What evidence?  The 'evidence' screams political hit jobs.

Exactly!

A lot of poo thrown at the glass makes for bad optics, but none of it stuck.

Headlines above the fold, retractions in the legal notices.

Seven years of serious excavation, including spying on his campaign using every tool they DOJ et al has, and they have yet to come up with anything of substance.

I may have differences with Trump's handling of COVID and the expansion of the National Debt, but I don't see him as a criminal, certainly nowhere near the same weight class as the Biden Syndicate, and I do not question his patriotism, although of late I think his policies misguided somewhat (shining cities, etc.)

[roamer_1]

As for Trump losing his base, do you really think that going after a conservative isn't going to have a negative effect?

I don't think Tumpy will lose much of his base. But I DO think his base is extremely stratified. Ossified. And that means he has to win with what he has. Which he cannot do. He will find it damn hard attracting new suckers - Oops, I mean fans.

DeSantis, however, does not have the strong negatives against him in Conservatives, in the Party, nor in independents. If he throws his hat in the ring, he has a good chance to unite a winning coalition.

[Kamaji]

Because they're still confused about the difference between pissing off libs/progs and actually getting stuff done.

[Smokin Joe]

No, actually, they are just willing to ignore the evidence of their senses in order to support a very flawed leader.

And yet, the truth is that Trump is nowhere near as bad as he's made out to be by Democrats and by the weirdos at The Lincoln Project.

He needs to stand on his own virtues and also: answer for his shortcomings. That is why we have primaries and elections.

I would like to see him embrace that challenge rather than lash out at prospective challengers in his own party.   

Let's see if he can.

All leaders are flawed, none is perfect. Once you get past the first five presidents, the Republic was wandering off track.

I agree, that it seems counterproductive to squabble within the GOP, especially the Trump vs DeSantis thing. I could see where an alliance between the two would have far more potential for America's future, even an agreement to disagree about fine points of policy.
Lately, the 'shining cities' bit and this needless squabble are off-putting examples of what i regard as unforced errors on Trump's part.
He should settle the legal matters and bring up keeping the supply chain going, especially energy independence (even export), and re-filing the SPR for the future. Trump sufficiently intimidated our enemies so that a lot of the crap going on in the world would likely not have happened on his watch had the 2020 election been conducted fairly. The margin in the five key states given to Biden was altogether only about 200,000 votes, and in some less than 20,000. That, in a populous state is a relatively easy cheat (even though, imho, Biden had a lot of gap to close before he pulled ahead).

[roamer_1]

I agree, that it seems counterproductive to squabble within the GOP, especially the Trump vs DeSantis thing. I could see where an alliance between the two would have far more potential for America's future, even an agreement to disagree about fine points of policy.

Impossible. Big government versus small government is not a fine point. It is a fundamental and immovable difference.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Impossible. Big government versus small government is not a fine point. It is a fundamental and immovable difference.

Yeah, I'm with you on that.  The stupid Freedom cities are never going to happen, but it shows where his mind is.  Same with his ideas for solving homelessness and addiction in blue cities.   I think there's a serious chance that he'd agree to significant additional social programs/handouts simply to become more popular. At the same time, he'll absolutely squash any attempt to fix SS or Medicare.  And why would he?  He'll be out of office when SS runs out, so he figures someone else will get the blame.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Because they're still confused about the difference between pissing off libs/progs and actually getting stuff done.

 

[LMAO]

Yeah, I'm with you on that.  The stupid Freedom cities are never going to happen, but it shows where his mind is.  Same with his ideas for solving homelessness and addiction in blue cities.   I think there's a serious chance that he'd agree to significant additional social programs/handouts simply to become more popular. At the same time, he'll absolutely squash any attempt to fix SS or Medicare.  And why would he?  He'll be out of office when SS runs out, so he figures someone else will get the blame.

This is a guy who’s blasted any cuts to the low hanging fruit boondoggle called ethanol subsidies. And who has voice support for some type of government run healthcare in the not so distant past.

Why wouldn’t he add social programs to an already strained budget

[LMAO]

I don't think Tumpy will lose much of his base. But I DO think his base is extremely stratified. Ossified. And that means he has to win with what he has. Which he cannot do. He will find it damn hard attracting new suckers - Oops, I mean fans.

DeSantis, however, does not have the strong negatives against him in Conservatives, in the Party, nor in independents. If he throws his hat in the ring, he has a good chance to unite a winning coalition.

Any Republican has the opportunity to appeal to people beyond the entrenched MAGA base

[roamer_1]

Yeah, I'm with you on that.  The stupid Freedom cities are never going to happen, but it shows where his mind is.  Same with his ideas for solving homelessness and addiction in blue cities.   I think there's a serious chance that he'd agree to significant additional social programs/handouts simply to become more popular. At the same time, he'll absolutely squash any attempt to fix SS or Medicare.  And why would he?  He'll be out of office when SS runs out, so he figures someone else will get the blame.

He's always been big government... big show... It's how he thinks.

[roamer_1]

Any Republican has the opportunity to appeal to people beyond the entrenched MAGA base

Except in that he should be Conservative - Conservatives will not fully support a moderate or liberal candidate... And that's the formula required for the Reagan Coalition.

[catfish1957]

Loyalty?

Maybe one of the general traits I hate most in humans is the insistence of entitlement.

And Trump's screaming for this makes me more disgusted with him by the day. His recent hard left turn politically tells me deserves NOTHING from Conservatives.

Loyalty?.....  You'll get none from me, orange guy.

[Widget Jr]

Becasue we know that that Democrats, the DOJ, and FBI were out to get him before he was sworn in.
That he got burned by the Democrats, the press, and a complacent GOP.That 2020 was stolen (basic Excel and stats are pretty basic).That both impeachments were crap.

And we are not going to forget it.

[libertybele]

Becasue we know that that Democrats, the DOJ, and FBI were out to get him before he was sworn in.
That he got burned by the Democrats, the press, and a complacent GOP.That 2020 was stolen (basic Excel and stats are pretty basic).That both impeachments were crap.

And we are not going to forget it.

Welcome to The Briefing Room forum @Widget Jr   Yes, the election was stolen.  I get that.  However, right now Trump is going after a very popular and conservative governor.  That's wrong on all counts. So wrong, that I won't vote for him.

Conservatism is the way forward and if conservatism doesn't win in '24 our Republic is over. 

BTW the GOP and the RNC aren't doing much to ensure election integrity.  So, what's to prevent another election from being stolen?  Instead of Trump rehashing what was done to him, he needs to convey to his base that they need to become involved at their local precincts.

[LMAO]

As long as republican candidates embrace the “Trump was robbed”  meme, expect to lose more elections.

Hillary Clinton is going to go to her grave insisting that the 2016 election was stolen from her. But she’s not out there promoting candidates for office that publicly state that. Only the GOP seems to be that dumb.

“Election deniers” was used with devastating effect in 2022 along with “ MAGA Republicans.”  Trump is very toxic to the voting public.

That does not mean that I think there should be a lot of things in our election process that need to be changed. And January 6 is always going to haunt  Trump and his supporters with the public at large.

The Democrats are winning not because the public thinks their ideas are great. They just look at the alternative. A year or two ago when Macron won reelection in France even though the French people were dissatisfied with conditions in France and he had a 30 some percent job approval rating, I warned that that could be repeated here in our presidential election.

The 2022 midterms should have been a red wave. I am sick of watching the Democrats win simply by hanging Trump in front of the voting public. Watch at some point more and more republican candidates try to distance themselves from him

[Hoodat]

Maybe the GOP should pass a rule prohibiting Democrats from running in Republican primaries.  That would eliminate Trump right there.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The 2022 midterms should have been a red wave. I am sick of watching the Democrats win simply by hanging Trump in front of the voting public.

Can you imagine the fun the democrats would have hanging DeSantis's six week abortion ban, the state deciding what you can read, the fight with Mickey Mouse and insistance you work until 70 for higher Medicare premiums in front of voters?

[txradioguy]

Becasue we know that that Democrats, the DOJ, and FBI were out to get him before he was sworn in.
That he got burned by the Democrats, the press, and a complacent GOP.That 2020 was stolen (basic Excel and stats are pretty basic).That both impeachments were crap.

And we are not going to forget it.

So how is attacking a popular...successful Conservative governor going to remedy any of that?

[LMAO]

I found who I may vote for in 2024


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CUfRwYcaL-k

[libertybele]

Can you imagine the fun the democrats would have hanging DeSantis's six week abortion ban, the state deciding what you can read, the fight with Mickey Mouse and insistance you work until 70 for higher Medicare premiums in front of voters?

Can you imagine the fun the DEMS are going to have blaming Trump for COVID, a crisis at our border, failure in Afghanistan and a failed economy??  (Psss.... they're already doing it).

I happen to like DeSantis's six week abortion ban, I defend his fight with Mickey and Minnie and I have not hear him say anything about insisting people work until their 70.

[LMAO]

Can you imagine the fun the DEMS are going to have blaming Trump for COVID, a crisis at our border, failure in Afghanistan and a failed economy??  (Psss.... they're already doing it).

I would add January 6 to that. I just saw a commercial on YouTube from the DNC that are painting Joe Biden as the optimistic defender of democracy and freedom and it contain footage from January 6

It is my opinion that the events of January 6 probably damaged Donald Trump with the electorate permanently

[roamer_1]

Can you imagine the fun the democrats would have hanging DeSantis's six week abortion ban, the state deciding what you can read, the fight with Mickey Mouse and insistance you work until 70 for higher Medicare premiums in front of voters?

Can you imagine all the Conservatives shouting approval and rushing to help?

Well sure you can, which is why you're trying to Tump him down.... 

[bigheadfred]

I found who I may vote for in 2024


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CUfRwYcaL-k

Singing-- Gloria!