Why GOP voters are so loyal to Trump

[mystery-ak]

Why GOP voters are so loyal to Trump
by Caroline Vakil - 04/30/23 6:00 AM ET

Republican primary voters are showing no signs of easing their support for former President Trump as their 2024 GOP presidential candidate.

Trump’s lead in the presumptive field of GOP presidential candidates has widened in most polling, even as he finds himself embroiled in high-profile legal battles and as the party grapples with a worse-than-expected midterm election.

Though the presidential debates and primaries are still months away, pollsters and even some anti-Trump Republicans point to the former president’s recent indictment and his no-holds-barred approach to his presumptive GOP rivals as being among the reasons some in the party are still leaning toward the former president.

“Donald Trump has conditioned … a pretty serious majority of the Republican base to believe that any legal critique of him, any external charge made against him is invalid and a product of the ‘deep state’ or a conspiracy of some kind to take him away from Republican voters,” said Rick Wilson, co-founder of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project.

“So why did you see Trump’s numbers go up after Mar-a-Lago was raided by the FBI? Why did you see his numbers go up after he was indicted in New York? That’s because that base — it is an inversion of the prior known political behavior, which is to say, people don’t like criminals,” he added. “And yet, when you accuse Donald Trump of being a criminal, even with all the evidence in the world, their response is, ‘No, he’s not. You’re the one who’s doing this.’”

Trump made headlines in late March when he became the first president to face criminal charges. The indictment followed a probe by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) that centers on Trump’s possible involvement in a hush money payment made during his 2016 campaign to a porn star.

Though an indictment would ordinarily be considered politically damning for any presidential candidate, polling suggests it hasn’t harmed Trump — and it might even have helped him.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3978590-why-gop-voters-are-so-loyal-to-trump/

[libertybele]

Interesting choice of words; “Donald Trump has conditioned … a pretty serious majority of the Republican base to believe that any legal critique of him, any external charge made against him is invalid and a product of the ‘deep state’ or a conspiracy of some kind to take him away from Republican voters,” said Rick Wilson, co-founder of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project.

It is unfortunate as there is no pathway to victory for Trump; the leftists will see to it.  There is no way that are going to allow him to be re-elected.  Besides, what is the RNC/GOP doing differently to ensure a free and fair election??

[bigheadfred]

“And yet, when you accuse Donald Trump of being a criminal, even with all the evidence in the world,

What evidence?  The 'evidence' screams political hit jobs.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

“Donald Trump has conditioned … a pretty serious majority of the Republican base to believe that any legal critique of him, any external charge made against him is invalid and a product of the ‘deep state’ or a conspiracy of some kind to take him away from Republican voters,” said Rick Wilson, co-founder of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project.

“So why did you see Trump’s numbers go up after Mar-a-Lago was raided by the FBI? Why did you see his numbers go up after he was indicted in New York? That’s because that base — it is an inversion of the prior known political behavior, which is to say, people don’t like criminals,” he added. “And yet, when you accuse Donald Trump of being a criminal, even with all the evidence in the world, their response is, ‘No, he’s not. You’re the one who’s doing this.’”

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone here, but you don't have to be a Trump supporter to see that the Dems used the justice system to target him right from the very start.  They've basically been following him 24/7 to see if he is doing anything against the law, and then going after him.  It's the equivalent of the cops trying to catch a particular person for speeding, and then arresting him when he goes 57 in a 55 zone.

And while they claim that this means they are "upholding the law", they lost a whole bunch of Republicans who don't even like Trump in the summer of 2020, when even elected Democrats encouraged riots.  I don't like Trump, but I like legal hit jobs even less.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump's supporters aren't "conditioned", they are awake --- and have been from the beginning.

[andy58-in-nh]

Trump's supporters aren't "conditioned", they are awake --- and have been from the beginning.

No, actually, they are just willing to ignore the evidence of their senses in order to support a very flawed leader.

And yet, the truth is that Trump is nowhere near as bad as he's made out to be by Democrats and by the weirdos at The Lincoln Project.

He needs to stand on his own virtues and also: answer for his shortcomings. That is why we have primaries and elections.

I would like to see him embrace that challenge rather than lash out at prospective challengers in his own party.   

Let's see if he can.

[roamer_1]

I'm as anti-Trump as anyone here, but you don't have to be a Trump supporter to see that the Dems used the justice system to target him right from the very start.  They've basically been following him 24/7 to see if he is doing anything against the law, and then going after him.  It's the equivalent of the cops trying to catch a particular person for speeding, and then arresting him when he goes 57 in a 55 zone.

And while they claim that this means they are "upholding the law", they lost a whole bunch of Republicans who don't even like Trump in the summer of 2020, when even elected Democrats encouraged riots.  I don't like Trump, but I like legal hit jobs even less.

That's right. If anyone conditioned the voters it is the Democrats and the media who have cried wolf many times too much. One can easily reject everything they say from 'Russia! Russia! Russia!' onward.

The next problem is that Tumpy and his ain't no damn better... Just as apt to lie and spin and defame.

So 'a pox on all their houses' is the only sane way forward.

[Fishrrman]

bele predicts:
"It is unfortunate as there is no pathway to victory for Trump; the leftists will see to it."

OK. If I'm to accept this, I need you to answer this:
If the leftists have the power to block any "pathway to victory" for Mr. Trump, what in heaven's name makes you believe they're going to OPEN that pathway for another candidate such as Mr. DeSantis?

If they can prevent the most popular Republican from winning, why would they not prevent every other possible candidate from winning, as well?

[LMAO]

bele predicts:
"It is unfortunate as there is no pathway to victory for Trump; the leftists will see to it."

OK. If I'm to accept this, I need you to answer this:
If the leftists have the power to block any "pathway to victory" for Mr. Trump, what in heaven's name makes you believe they're going to OPEN that pathway for another candidate such as Mr. DeSantis?

If they can prevent the most popular Republican from winning, why would they not prevent every other possible candidate from winning, as well?

In order to have a fighting chance against the Democrats, not only does the GOP base need to be united behind a candidate, but a significant percentage on swing voters need to be  aswell

The GOP is divided going into 2024 and Trump is very unpopular  with independent  voters. I'm not saying that DeSantis or that guy whose's name I can't pronounce will change any dynamics. But there chances might, and i mean might, be better than  Trump's as his deep unpopularity is baked into the electorate. I think Jan 6th really hurt him with swing voters

[MeshugeMikey]

Trump's supporters aren't "conditioned", they are awake --- and have been from the beginning.

cough cough  ahem

 surely youve heard of post hypnotic suggestion?
 

DILBERTS CREATOR  a trained HYONOTIST SAYS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFwJNRbAJ0I

[Kamaji]

Trump's supporters aren't "conditioned", they are awake --- and have been from the beginning.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

So 'a pox on all their houses' is the only sane way forward.

[Right_in_Virginia]

surely youve heard of post hypnotic suggestion?

Time to refill your meds, Sparky.

[bigheadfred]

Time to refill your meds, Sparky.

Play that to him backwards...

[MeshugeMikey]

Time to refill your meds, Sparky.

BULLSEYE 

i know all the REACTIONS......and :Time to refill your meds: means i drew blood

oh.......... that was rich...  yes

a trained hypnotist tells you that  trump knows hypnotism and you lay down  some inane middle school smack||

you didnt mention THE CRAYONS???

 time will eventually tell the WHOLE TALE of DONNA TWUMP..and you'll shake your  head in disbelief....trying fo determine how you were so taken in.

https://fortune.com/2020/09/27/donald-trump-self-hypnotism-politics/

[libertybele]

In order to have a fighting chance against the Democrats, not only does the GOP base need to be united behind a candidate, but a significant percentage on swing voters need to be  aswell

The GOP is divided going into 2024 and Trump is very unpopular  with independent  voters. I'm not saying that DeSantis or that guy whose's name I can't pronounce will change any dynamics. But there chances might, and i mean might, be better than  Trump's as his deep unpopularity is baked into the electorate. I think Jan 6th really hurt him with swing voters

J6 was orchestrated by the left.   Independents who didn't vote for him before aren't going to vote for him in '24.  What is hurting him now is him going after a conservative and acting like a schoolyard bully and in turn he's losing part of his base. In essence he's already splitting the party just like he did with Cruz running.  Only this time he's going after someone that hasn't even announced he's running; that's a bit unhinged and wreaks of jealousy and desperation.

[bigheadfred]

Did you eat paint chips when you were a kid? @MeshugeMikey

[Right_in_Virginia]

i know all the REACTIONS......and :Time to refill your meds: means i drew blood

Actually, it means I'm questioning your mental health. 

[MeshugeMikey]

of course you are sweetie....its the only defense you can possibly scoop out of that thin air in your  HEAD

yoiruetterly taken with THE trumps because thier craziness resonates with your very own,,HO HUM

[libertybele]

bele predicts:
"It is unfortunate as there is no pathway to victory for Trump; the leftists will see to it."

OK. If I'm to accept this, I need you to answer this:
If the leftists have the power to block any "pathway to victory" for Mr. Trump, what in heaven's name makes you believe they're going to OPEN that pathway for another candidate such as Mr. DeSantis?

If they can prevent the most popular Republican from winning, why would they not prevent every other possible candidate from winning, as well?

@Fishrrman I never said that they wouldn't block a pathway to victory for another candidate. Of course they will. They're going after DeSantis right now along with Trump. Trump is helping them to get rid of a true conservative now rather than later.  As you know and as I continue to say; the GOP and RNC have done nothing to ensure a fair election.  Nothing has changed.

They are never going to allow Trump to be re-elected.  He's still facing charges. They aren't done with him yet.  Just my opinion.

[libertybele]

BULLSEYE 

i know all the REACTIONS......and :Time to refill your meds: means i drew blood

oh.......... that was rich...  yes

a trained hypnotist tells you that  trump knows hypnotism and you lay down  some inane middle school smack||

you didnt mention THE CRAYONS???

 time will eventually tell the WHOLE TALE of DONNA TWUMP..and you'll shake your  head in disbelief....trying fo determine how you were so taken in.

https://fortune.com/2020/09/27/donald-trump-self-hypnotism-politics/

@MeshugeMikey I find this post rather offensive -- pitchforcks at Trump with blood coming out???  Really?

You are way out of line!!!! 

[libertybele]

of course you are sweetie....its the only defense you can possibly scoop out of that thin air in your  HEAD

yoiruetterly taken with THE trumps because thier craziness resonates with your very own,,HO HUM

@Meshuge Mikey  stop derailing the threads. This is a debate forum where we exchange our opinions with words, not cartoons.

[Right_in_Virginia]

What is hurting him now is him going after a conservative and acting like a schoolyard bully and in turn he's losing part of his base.

No, Trump is not acting like a "schoolyard bully".  He is strategically and effectively preventing Ronny from rewriting his hagiography while hiding behind the "I'm not a candidate" nonsense.

Neither is Trump losing his base.  And, you know it.

[mystery-ak]

@Meshuge Mikey  stop derailing the threads. This is a debate forum where we exchange our opinions with words, not cartoons.

@MeshugeMikey

I have to agree..please stop all these *memes*...on every thread you post on..

[libertybele]

No, Trump is not acting like a "schoolyard bully".  He is strategically and effectively preventing Ronny from rewriting his hagiography while hiding behind the "I'm not a candidate" bullshit.

Neither is Trump losing his base.  And, you know it.

DeSantis isn't a candidate and you know it.  As for Trump losing his base, do you really think that going after a conservative isn't going to have a negative effect?  That is why I won't be voting for him. I know several others that won't be either and apparently there are those in here that won't be voting for him again either.  I doubt that we are just a select few.

You know that I think Trump made a great president and I have no doubts that the election was stolen.  I will only vote for someone who is a conservative and Trump going after one of the most conservative governors we have just doesn't sit well. Secondly, Trump going after DeSantis is merely helping the DEMS getting rid of DeSantis -- they aren't worried about Trump @Right_in_Virginia.  They stole an election once.

Perhaps if the GOP would stand united (Trump included) and work on election integrity they just might have a chance.

You may see it as being strategic, but he's doing the same thing he did in '16 to Cruz.  It split the GOP base.  What makes you think that the same thing isn't happening?