Ron DeSantis says it's in 'everybody's interest' to have a cease-fire in Ukraine

[libertybele]

I didn't quite know where to post this --

Ron DeSantis says it's in 'everybody's interest' to have a cease-fire in Ukraine

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis said that it's in the world's interest for a cease-fire to be negotiated in Ukraine.

DeSantis made the comments during a wide-ranging interview with Nikkei Asia on Tuesday while the Florida governor is in Japan on an international trade mission.

In the interview, DeSantis warned that an extended war is possible in Ukraine.

"You don't want to end up in like a [Battle of] Verdun situation, where you just have mass casualties, mass expense and end up with a stalemate," DeSantis said. "It's in everybody's interest to try to get to a place where we can have a cease-fire."

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis speaks to Iowa voters (Scott Olson/Getty Images)

Over 700,000 people either were killed or hurt during the 302-day Battle of Verdun during World War I.

DeSantis also called out Europe, and Germany in particular, for allegedly not doing enough to help Ukraine.

"The Europeans really need to do more [on Ukraine]. I mean, this is their continent. The U.S. has provided security for them. And yes, Poland – there's some that are doing stuff, and that should be appreciated. But Germany, they're not doing anything," DeSantis said.

"We have foreign policy elites that do things without having a concrete objective in mind," DeSantis added.

DeSantis' comments come after he told Fox News that the United States shouldn't become further involved in Russia's war in Ukraine................

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ron-desantis-says-its-in-everybodys-interest-have-cease-fire-in-ukraine

[Hoodat]

It is in Ukraine's interest for Russia to get the hell out of their country.

[Wingnut]

Waiting for the Orange God to weigh in.

[corbe]

   I believe Hes already weighted in saying if he was President he could end the conflict in 24 hours, if my memory serves me correct.

[Wingnut]

   I believe Hes already weighted in saying if he was President he could end the conflict in 24 hours, if my memory serves me correct.

Any political party that can't cough up anything better than a treacherous brain-damaged old vulture like Donald Trump or Joe Biden deserves every beating it gets. They don't hardly make them like those two any more - but just to be on the safe side, they should be in prison. A place for the confinement and punishment of persons convicted of crimes, especially felonies.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Now that he’s down nearly 40 points in the polls, Rons new strategy includes copying Trumps positions from a year ago

[Wingnut]

Why so anxious to deflect from the meatball's latest 180?

Right on que, so, What's up Mrs. Trump Leghumper. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Right on que, so, What's up Mrs. Trump Leghumper.

Pretty funny question coming from a guy giving tongue baths to a meatball. 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Both Trump and DeSantis are being deliberately non-specific, and it's annoying.  As President, they can only direct U.S. policy, not wish a certain world into existence.  Rather than saying what they want to happen, they both should be saying specifically how they change U.S. policy to get the results they want to achieve.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Last trial balloon -----

DeSantis changes his tune on Ukraine, calls Putin a 'war criminal'
The Florida governor and potential presidential candidate previously characterized Russia's war in Ukraine as a "territorial dispute," drawing heavy criticism from some Republicans.
NBC News, Mar 22, 2023

WASHINGTON — After having downplayed Russia’s war against Ukraine as a “territorial dispute” in remarks to Fox News, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis changed course in a new interview by calling Russian President Vladimir Putin a “war criminal” who needs to face consequences for his actions.

“I think he is a war criminal,” DeSantis told Piers Morgan in an interview published Wednesday in the New York Post, adding: “I do think that he should be held accountable.”

DeSantis argued that his earlier statement to Fox News host Tucker Carlson had been “mischaracterized” and that his “larger point” was that he doesn’t think Russia can “take over Ukraine” or “threaten NATO” even if the U.S. doesn’t escalate its involvement. He said he wasn’t suggesting Russia’s invasion was justified.

“I think they have the right to that territory,” DeSantis said of Ukraine. “If I could snap my fingers, I’d give it back to Ukraine 100%."

In the Post interview, DeSantis didn’t take a position on the more complicated dispute within the GOP about whether the U.S. should send more military assistance or weapons to Ukraine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/desantis-changes-tune-ukraine-calls-putin-war-criminal-rcna76260

[Right_in_Virginia]

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Mar 16, 2023

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1636437581834403860

[Maj. Bill Martin]

In the Post interview, DeSantis didn’t take a position on the more complicated dispute within the GOP about whether the U.S. should send more military assistance or weapons to Ukraine.

Neither has Trump.  They've both fallen short by simply hinting as to what actions they would take as President rather than stating it clearly and unambiguously.

[Hoodat]

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Mar 16, 2023

Straight out of the Neville Chamberlain playbook.  Czechoslovakia Ukraine surrenders up some resource-rich land to appease an aggressor, and a World War is averted.

[Hoodat]

Neither has Trump.  They've both fallen short by simply hinting as to what actions they would take as President rather than stating it clearly and unambiguously.

How dare you apply the same standard to Trump that his supporters are using against that Florida governor who lives rent-free in their heads.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

How dare you apply the same standard to Trump that his supporters are using against that Florida governor who lives rent-free in their heads.

I don't like how either of them are handling this.  I'm guessing - because that's all we can do - that Trump would simply cut off all military aid to Ukraine.  But he knows that will be unpopular with some voters, so he won't say it out loud.  And I really don't know what DeSantis would actually do.

Not fair that voters have to guess where they both stand on that issue

[Hoodat]

If one day DeSantis decides to run for President, then at that point his position will matter.  But that day has not arrived yet.  And it is really silly watching Trump getting covered with paint as he tries to trap non-opponent Ron DeSantis in a corner.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

If one day DeSantis decides to run for President, then at that point his position will matter.  But that day has not arrived yet.  And it is really silly watching Trump getting covered with paint as he tries to trap non-opponent Ron DeSantis in a corner.

Fair enough.  If DeSantis gets specific after announcing, I'll take it back.

That's one reason debates are a good idea - you can either tie someone down to a specific position, or at least make it obvious that they're being deliberately evasive.

[LMAO]

Fair enough.  If DeSantis gets specific after announcing, I'll take it back.

That's one reason debates are a good idea - you can either tie someone down to a specific position, or at least make it obvious that they're being deliberately evasive.

Yup

[Kamaji]

Maybe so, but right now, Russia is getting its behind kicked, hard.  Also, Ukraine has started its counteroffensive, so insisting on a ceasefire at this point would redound mainly to the benefit of Russia, and be negative for Ukraine.

[DefiantMassRINO]

No, Ron, it's in Putin's interest to have a ceasefire ... gives Putin more time to conscript more cannon fodder and to acquire more war materiel from China, Iran, and North Korea (the ol' Axis of Evil).

Totalitarian megalomaniacs only sue for peace when they are loosing.

[libertybele]

I agree with DeSantis.  It is time to quit throwing billions to Ukraine and drawing down our own munitions to give to them.

Brandon and Zelenskyy are lining their pockets.

[DefiantMassRINO]

The Europeans should be contributing more ... it's their continent and it was their mistake to entrust their energy future to Putin.

[roamer_1]

QUESTION:

When is it *NOT* in everyone's interest to cease fire and argue for peace?

DeSantis' words are nearly universally true - So where's the beef?

[Kamaji]

QUESTION:

When is it *NOT* in everyone's interest to cease fire and argue for peace?

DeSantis' words are nearly universally true - So where's the beef?

At a point in time when a ceasefire would give the edge to an unjustified aggressor/invader as against a justified defender.  I agree that, in context, DeSantis' statement is a nostrum, but the fact is that there are better and worse times for outside parties to insist on a ceasefire.

[roamer_1]

At a point in time when a ceasefire would give the edge to an unjustified aggressor/invader as against a justified defender.  I agree that, in context, DeSantis' statement is a nostrum, but the fact is that there are better and worse times for outside parties to insist on a ceasefire.

I'll disagree emphatically. Stopping and talking about it is always preferred in war. There is no disadvantage. Nothing says the participants must agree. Nothing says which way the talks will go, or that either side will succumb to leverage....

But that is not the matter - Your bolded statement, "I agree that, in context, DeSantis' statement is a nostrum" is the point: That something so true (off-the-cuff, nearly said in passing), has raised debate is weird to me.