Donald Trump: I’d have let Putin annex part of Ukraine to end the war

[Timber Rattler]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/09/donald-trump-have-let-putin-annex-ukraine-end-war/

The former president told Sean Hannity’s radio show:...Mr Trump added: “That’s without even negotiating a deal. I could have negotiated. At worst, I could have made a deal to take over something, you know, there are certain areas that are Russian speaking areas, right, like, but you could have worked a deal. And now Ukraine is just being blown to smithereens.”

[ScottinVA]

Wow, Trump “thinks” Ukraine is his to dismember to benefit Putin. 

By 2024, his level of support will be reduced to the Putin-worshipping FR mental ward.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The Russians are patient.  Give them part of the loaf for free, and they'd have come hard for the rest sooner or later.

Also, I love this idea that somehow being able to speak Russian means you must want to be ruled by Russia.  Our own Revolution was a rebellion of English-speaking people who didn't want to be ruled by certain other English-speaking people.  Zalensky himself was raised as a native Russian-speaker.

[Kamaji]

The Russians are patient.  Give them part of the loaf for free, and they'd have come hard for the rest sooner or later.

Also, I love this idea that somehow being able to speak Russian means you must want to be ruled by Russia.  Our own Revolution was a rebellion of English-speaking people who didn't want to be ruled by certain other English-speaking people.  Zalensky himself was raised as a native Russian-speaker.

[GtHawk]

Exactly how is Trumps statement any different that Brandon's 'as long as it's only a small incursion' comment? I have no interest in being involved in any more wars but it chaps my ass that these two are just fine with giving up the freedom of others to placate our enemies.

[LMAO]

Wow, Trump “thinks” Ukraine is his to dismember to benefit Putin. 

By 2024, his level of support will be reduced to the Putin-worshipping FR mental ward.

This also goes along with his post a while ago, where he spouted North Korean propaganda

Whatever one may feel about our involvement with Ukraine, you don’t hint that you’d be sympathetic to the Russian’s  cause

[Timber Rattler]

Exactly how is Trumps statement any different that Brandon's 'as long as it's only a small incursion' comment? I have no interest in being involved in any more wars but it chaps my ass that these two are just fine with giving up the freedom of others to placate our enemies.

It's not any different, at all.

[catfish1957]

There's a vast number of us, who don't support the blank check approach to the Ukes and their uber corrupt leader, but strategically Trump stepped in this one big time. 

This was just downright dumb.

[Fishrrman]

Donald Trump: "I’d have let Putin annex part of Ukraine to end the war"

Fishrrman fearless prediction™:
That's pretty much how it's going to end up, anyway.

The only variables:
How much of Ukraine gets destroyed before they finally capitulate
or
Whether or not things "go nuclear"...

[Smokin Joe]

Apparently he spaced out that one of the first targets of the invasion was Kiev, the Capital, which was a coup-style attempt to take over the entire country by seizing the seat of government.

That attempt was thwarted by mud and poor maintenance, and the courage of the defenders.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Exactly how is Trumps statement any different that Brandon's 'as long as it's only a small incursion' comment? I have no interest in being involved in any more wars but it chaps my ass that these two are just fine with giving up the freedom of others to placate our enemies.

When you look at just the recent history of Crimea, I don't know what this "freedom of others" you refer to has to do with any of this @GtHawk

Crimea has been a part of Russia since 1783 when it was conquered by Catherine the Great.  Even after the Crimean War in 1853 and the Russian Empire lost to an alliance of the Ottoman Empire, France, Britain and Sardinia, Crimea remained part of Russia.  In 1954, Khrushchev unilaterally gave Crimea to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic to manage.

To this day, the overwhelming majority of Crimeans consider themselves Russian, carrying Russian passports, speaking the Russian language and voting for separation from Ukraine. 

Is this really the cause we want to use to help Europe again push the world to war ---- this time with nuclear weapons?

[GtHawk]

When you look at just the recent history of Crimea, I don't know what this "freedom of others" you refer to has to do with any of this @GtHawk

Crimea has been a part of Russia since 1783 when it was conquered by Catherine the Great.  Even after the Crimean War in 1853 and the Russian Empire lost to an alliance of the Ottoman Empire, France, Britain and Sardinia, Crimea remained part of Russia.  In 1954, Khrushchev unilaterally gave Crimea to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic to manage.

To this day, the overwhelming majority of Crimeans consider themselves Russian, carrying Russian passports, speaking the Russian language and voting for separation from Ukraine. 

Is this really the cause we want to use to help Europe again push the world to war ---- this time with nuclear weapons?

Yeah, BULLSHIT! Another countries people is not the US Presidents business to choose to give part of away their country away, period! I'm not thrilled with the never ending unaudited cash flow to Ukraine but I'm less thrilled with a US President failing to live up to the promises made again either.  If a part of what is NOW Ukraine is to be given up to Russia that is up to the people of Ukraine not a US President republican or democrat.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yeah, BULLSHIT! Another countries people is not the US Presidents business to choose to give part of away their country away, period! I'm not thrilled with the never ending unaudited cash flow to Ukraine but I'm less thrilled with a US President failing to live up to the promises made again either.  If a part of what is NOW Ukraine is to be given up to Russia that is up to the people of Ukraine not a US President republican or democrat.

NONE of this was our business @GtHawk  We have escalated a border conflict in Eastern Ukraine into a growing global conflict and are facilitating the wanton slaughter of the Ukrainian people and the realignment of global alliances to China's benefit.

Your "promise" be damned.  We owe nothing to a non-Nato sinkhole of corruption masquerading as a country.  Nothing. This is Europe's problem and should have remained its to solve.

But since we are draining our treasure and our military readiness in Europe's place, we damn well get a say in how and when this bullshit ends. If formally returning Crimea to Russia is the answer, so be it. 

Hopefully, we will one day grasp that we are separate from Europe and it's time to stop feeding their insatiable appetite for war as the answer to every disagreement.

[GtHawk]

NONE of this was our business @GtHawk  We have escalated a border conflict in Eastern Ukraine into a growing global conflict and are facilitating the wanton slaughter of the Ukrainian people and the realignment of global alliances to China's benefit.

Your "promise" be damned.  We owe nothing to a non-Nato sinkhole of corruption masquerading as a country.  Nothing. This is Europe's problem and should have remained its to solve.

But since we are draining our treasure and our military readiness in Europe's place, we damn well get a say in how and when this bullshit ends. If formally returning Crimea to Russia is the answer, so be it. 

Hopefully, we will one day grasp that we are separate from Europe and it's time to stop feeding their insatiable appetite for war as the answer to every disagreement.

What is laughable is that I am sure that if it was Trump that was pushing the current Ukraine situation instead of Brandon your position would no doubt be 180 degrees different. You run off at a tangent from my post instead of with my position that it is not our Presidents purview to give away a portion of another nation which is what Trump is saying he would do. But anything Trumpety Trump says or does is golden with you. before you and your cohort attack me as never Trump or a democrat mole...I don't like all the money we have sent to Ukraine, especially without audit and accounting but there we are so we need to find a way to exit that is smart not just drop it and look even weaker to Russia and China. I have voted for Trump twice and if he is the nominee will probably vote for him again, but I am sick to death of his stupid and childish remarks and attacks. I have thought and said for years Trump needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut and let the other side make the stupid comments instead of bailing them out with even stupider. Trump is at his best when he points out the other sides wrong policies acts and attacks them...that is why I voted for him.

I repeat his saying that he would have just let Russia annex a part of a sovereign nation, historically different than today(aren't we all) is not a wit different than Brandon saying a minor incursion by Russia into Ukraine would be just fine. Both are signals of weakness to our enemies.

[LMAO]

What is laughable is that I am sure that if it was Trump that was pushing the current Ukraine situation instead of Brandon your position would no doubt be 180 degrees different.

From what I’ve noticed, that doesn’t apply to just this issue

[Kamaji]

From what I’ve noticed, that doesn’t apply to just this issue

No, it doesn’t.

[sneakypete]

There's a vast number of us, who don't support the blank check approach to the Ukes and their uber corrupt leader, but strategically Trump stepped in this one big time. 

This was just downright dumb.

@catfish1957

I agree.

[Right_in_Virginia]

It is laughable is that I am sure that if it was Trump that was pushing the current Ukraine situation instead of Brandon your position would no doubt be 180 degrees different.

If this was Biden's position I would be shocked and relieved that rational adults have taken control of the nuclear codes @GtHawk

Since the start of this shitshow my opinion has not changed:. This is a border dispute (even included the actual history of Crimea and the Donbas), it is none of our business, no US national interest is at play here, do not drain our treasury and military readiness for this crap- ------- And the US needs to get out of the way and stop blocking a negotiated end before this spirals out of control and there are nuclear weapons flying.

I also think the US was the instigating power behind the start of this conflict and the push toward its expansion.

Each time I posted my opinion it was met by a group of frightened, raging men who, for some inexplicable reason, believe they're living in a Tom Clancy novel.

You run off at a tangent from my post instead of with my position that it is not our Presidents purview to give away a portion of another nation which is what Trump is saying he would do.

I did no such thing.  Here is what I posted and stand by:

"But since we are draining our treasure and our military readiness in Europe's place, we damn well get a say in how and when this bullshit ends. If formally returning Crimea to Russia is the answer, so be it.  Hopefully, we will one day grasp that we are separate from Europe and it's time to stop feeding their insatiable appetite for war as the answer to every disagreement".

Prove me wrong @GtHawk

but anything Trumpety Trump says or does is golden with you. before you and your cohort attack me as never Trump or a democrat mole...

This is the idiotic and tiring response from those without a reasoned reply. Do better; much better.


@LMAO

[jmyrlefuller]

But we were told this would have never happened under Trump. Yet he admitted that was unintentional, that he did nothing special to ensure that peace.

In other words, another Trump Cult Lie exposed by the man himself.

[Wingnut]

Word. I didn't read the article or any of the comments.

Having said that, WTF gives Trump the right to give something he doesn't own to russia...except his election.

[LMAO]

If this was Biden's position I would be shocked and relieved that rational adults have taken control of the nuclear codes @GtHawk

Since the start of this shitshow my opinion has not changed:. This is a border dispute (even included the actual history of Crimea and the Donbas), it is none of our business, no US national interest is at play here, do not drain our treasury and military readiness for this crap- ------- And the US needs to get out of the way and stop blocking a negotiated end before this spirals out of control and there are nuclear weapons flying.

I also think the US was the instigating power behind the start of this conflict and the push toward its expansion.

Each time I posted my opinion it was met by a group of frightened, raging men who, for some inexplicable reason, believe they're living in a Tom Clancy novel.

I did no such thing.  Here is what I posted and stand by:

"But since we are draining our treasure and our military readiness in Europe's place, we damn well get a say in how and when this bullshit ends. If formally returning Crimea to Russia is the answer, so be it.  Hopefully, we will one day grasp that we are separate from Europe and it's time to stop feeding their insatiable appetite for war as the answer to every disagreement".

Prove me wrong @GtHawk

This is the idiotic and tiring response from those without a reasoned reply. Do better; much better.


@LMAO

Why did you ping me

[corbe]

   I was convinced that Kissinger's Domino Theory in the early 70's was correct.  I was young and looking to escape a Felony pot possession charge.   Back then it was 20 to Life for a joint.  So I joined the USAF (my draft number was pretty high, anyway). 
   After 4 years of that $hit I came to realize what a CF the whole thing was, Echos of Eisenhower's MIC.

[LMAO]

But we were told this would have never happened under Trump. Yet he admitted that was unintentional, that he did nothing special to ensure that peace.

In other words, another Trump Cult Lie exposed by the man himself.

Had the current administration not abandoned the Trump energy policies, along with Europe adopting misguided “Green Energy,” there wouldn’t be a Russia/Ukraine War

[Hoodat]

Crimea has been a part of Russia since 1783 when it was conquered by Catherine the Great.

Crimea has been part of Ukraine since 1954.

To this day, the overwhelming majority of Crimeans consider themselves Russian

Russian genocide is why:  Deportation of the Crimean Tatars

It is pretty pathetic to argue in the face of Russian genocide that Russia is entitled to keep Crimea because they killed off anyone who didn't speak Russian.

carrying Russian passports

Passports handed out only after Russia invaded and claimed it as their own.

and voting for separation from Ukraine. 

Uh, no.  The 'election' [sic] in Crimea was a complete sham.  But you knew that already.

Is this really the cause we want to use to help Europe again push the world to war ---- this time with nuclear weapons?

Maybe Russia should have thought of that before bullying Ukraine.

Russia alone is the aggressor here.  Russia can call it off any time they choose.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Why did you ping me

In reply to your snide and predictably wrong reference to me @LMAO

From what I’ve noticed, that doesn’t apply to just this issue