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China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine

By Victor Nava
February 23, 2023

On the eve of the one-year anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, China has called for a cease-fire between the two sides and for peace talks to commence as part of a 12-point plan to end the war.

China’s Foreign Ministry revealed the plan on Friday, Beijing time, and also called for the end of Western sanctions on Russia, measures to ensure nuclear facilities, humanitarian corridors for civilians to flee the conflict and a process to ensure the continuation of grain exports.

“All parties should support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible,” the paper released on China’s Foreign Ministry’s website stated.

In the proposal, China indicated its opposition to the use of nuclear weapons in the conflict, as well as the threat of deploying them.

“Nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought. The threat or use of nuclear weapons should be opposed,” the paper said.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/02/23/china-calls-for-peace-talks-cease-fire-between-russia-and-ukraine/

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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2023, 07:05:55 pm »
China Offers 12-Point Peace Plan for Russia, Ukraine as Biden Promises Escalation, Pours Another $10 Billion into War
Human Events, Feb 24, 2023

On Friday, the Chinese government marked the one year anniversary of Russia's invasion by calling for an end to war in Ukraine, releasing a 12-point "peace plan." While it encourages dialogue over endless fighting, the plan has been met with scepticism by those in the west over aspects that appear favorable to Russia and Chinese interests.

At the same time, President Biden announced that the United States would be enforcing a series of new sanctions on Russian companies tied to the country's defense and financial sectors. Biden's treasury secretary Janet Yellen on Thursday announced another $10 billion in economic assistance for Ukraine. The amount of US aid, in cash, weapons, and assistance is now upwards of $200 billion.

"Providing economic assistance has made Ukraine's resistance possible by supporting the home front, funding critical public services, and helping keep the government running. In the coming months, we expect to provide around $10 billion in additional economic support for Ukraine," said Yellen.

According to the Daily Mail, China's 12-point plan calls for "an end to Western sanctions, negotiations which would likely see Ukraine ceding territory, a NATO pull-back from its eastern borders and reconstruction efforts that would probably benefit Chinese contractors."

This was all cloaked, however, in a veil of supposed good will and a desire to see the conflict end for the interest of all involved.

"Conflict and war benefit no one," the CCP wrote. "All parties must stay rational and exercise restraint, avoid fanning the flames and aggravating tensions, and prevent the crisis from deteriorating further or even spiraling out of control."

"All parties should support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible, so as to gradually deescalate the situation and ultimately reach a comprehensive ceasefire."

"The security of a country should not be pursued at the expense of others," the CCP continued. "The security of a region should not be achieved by strengthening or expanding military blocs."


More: https://humanevents.com/2023/02/24/china-offers-12-point-peace-plan-for-russia-ukraine-as-biden-promises-escalation-pours-another-10-billion-into-war?utm_campaign=64483

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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2023, 07:07:37 pm »
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negotiations which would likely see Ukraine ceding territory

All prelude for China's invasion/seizure of Taiwan.  Buy into this B.S., and one buys into agreeing that China can subsume Taiwan.

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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2023, 07:15:05 pm »
China urges for the END of Russia's invasion of Ukraine as it calls for a cease-fire and peace talks: Beijing releases 12-point plan to solve conflict on eve of the anniversary of Putin's war
Daily Mail UK, Feb 24, 2023

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11787489/China-urges-END-Russias-invasion-Ukraine-calls-cease-fire-peace-talks.html

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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2023, 07:19:46 pm »
This is a classic commie ploy to allow Russia to re-arm and rebuild its forces to launch more effective offensives later.

If Russia wants peace, it can unconditionally withdraw its military, its mercenaries, and its insurgents from all territory within the internationally recognized 1991 broders of Ukraine.

If Russia's hand is too hot, all they need to do is to take it off the hot stove.




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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2023, 07:22:54 pm »
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I can't get over this. Pompeo is calling for escalating war against Russia AND China

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China wants Putin to win.

The best way to deter the CCP is to help Ukraine defeat Russia.


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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2023, 07:27:01 pm »
This is a classic commie ploy to allow Russia to re-arm and rebuild its forces to launch more effective offensives later.

If Russia wants peace, it can unconditionally withdraw its military, its mercenaries, and its insurgents from all territory within the internationally recognized 1991 broders of Ukraine.

If Russia's hand is too hot, all they need to do is to take it off the hot stove.






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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2023, 07:27:37 pm »
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The best way for China to become the sole superpower is for the US and Russia to destroy each other in Ukraine. Destroys NATO as a bonus.

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That doesn't make any sense at all, Mike

Decoupling with China would be the fastest and easiest way to deter the CCP and revitalize the United States. We don't need more war

1:45 PM · Feb 24, 2023

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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2023, 07:27:38 pm »
Zelensky to meet with China's Pres. Xi, story here.
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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2023, 07:32:02 pm »
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Who benefits if NATO and Russia pour all their resources into a proxy war with each other?

2:17 PM · Feb 24, 2023

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2023, 07:44:45 pm »
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Who benefits if NATO and Russia pour all their resources into a proxy war with each other?

2:17 PM · Feb 24, 2023

Who benefits if the U.S. and NATO agree that an aggressor is, nonetheless, entitled to retain territory it has either occupied, or that it threatens to occupy if not catered to?

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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2023, 07:51:05 pm »
Zelensky to meet with China's Pres. Xi, story here.

Meanwhile ......

"Zelensky says it is "dangerous" for Americans to question the amount of aid being given to Ukraine because "if Ukraine loses, Russia is going to enter Baltic states, NATO member states and the U.S. will have to send their sons and daughters to war and they will be dying." (Video)


https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1629180611524014080

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"Zelensky is asked about opinion polls showing Americans think they're giving too much to Ukraine: “If they don’t change their opinion, if they don’t support Ukraine, they will lose NATO and they will lose their leadership position in the world.” (Video)



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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2023, 08:18:43 pm »
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Who benefits if NATO and Russia pour all their resources into a proxy war with each other?
2:17 PM · Feb 24, 2023

If NATO poured all their resources into a proxy war with Russia this war would already be over. Russia has something around a few percentage points of the GDP of all NATO countries combined. Russia could completely consume itself in this war and it will have little effect on the rest of the world economically. And the bottom line is this is a war of Russia's choosing. They can end it anytime they want by just leaving Ukraine.

The stupidity of these people is astounding.

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2023, 08:33:33 pm »
If NATO poured all their resources into a proxy war with Russia this war would already be over. Russia has something around a few percentage points of the GDP of all NATO countries combined. Russia could completely consume itself in this war and it will have little effect on the rest of the world economically. And the bottom line is this is a war of Russia's choosing. They can end it anytime they want by just leaving Ukraine.

The stupidity of these people is astounding.


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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2023, 03:42:46 am »
Jack Posobiec
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Who benefits if NATO and Russia pour all their resources into a proxy war with each other?

2:17 PM · Feb 24, 2023

Except NATO isn't.  Not even close.

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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2023, 03:44:57 am »
If NATO poured all their resources into a proxy war with Russia this war would already be over. Russia has something around a few percentage points of the GDP of all NATO countries combined. Russia could completely consume itself in this war and it will have little effect on the rest of the world economically. And the bottom line is this is a war of Russia's choosing. They can end it anytime they want by just leaving Ukraine.

The stupidity of these people is astounding.

I don't think it's stupidity.   They actually want Russia to win but just don't want to say it openly.

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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2023, 04:15:14 am »
China urges for the END of Russia's invasion of Ukraine

The only way to bring about "the END of Russia's invasion of Ukraine" is for Russia to end their invasion of Ukraine.
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2023, 04:16:46 am »
I don't think it's stupidity.   They actually want Russia to win but just don't want to say it openly.

Yep.
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2023, 04:18:13 am »
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Who benefits if NATO and Russia pour all their resources into a proxy war with each other?

Russia doesn't have a proxy.  But then you knew that already.
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2023, 03:34:21 pm »
I don't think it's stupidity.   They actually want Russia to win but just don't want to say it openly.

It could be...

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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2023, 06:55:13 pm »
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I don't think it's stupidity.   They actually want Russia to win but just don't want to say it openly.

Carlson: Ukraine One Year Later
Fox News. Feb 24, 2023

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https://mobile.twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1629338697161113


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The foreign policy apparatus in Washington was happy to hate Russia again after 40 years of cold war. Hating Russia was muscle-memory, so they signed on to the Russia collusion hoax.

It had the twin benefits of paralyzing the Trump administration, which it did, and justifying the expansion of the national security state.

As the years passed and the rhetoric intensified, hysteria set in.

After a while, anybody with a heterodox opinion, from right-wingers to avowed socialists, could be accused of working secretly with Vladimir Putin.

Many were accused and some were destroyed by it.  It was a textbook witch hunt - far more effective than McCarthyism.  Unlike McCarthyism, it never ended.

Russia remained America’s greatest enemy, even as China emerged as America’s greatest threat.

For generations, statesmen and diplomats worked to prevent other great powers from aligning as a block against the U.S.

The idea was pretty straightforward.

You might be able to beat one strong country, but if a couple strong countries ever got together, we would lose.

This is why Richard Nixon went to China, to make sure the Chinese government didn’t align with Brezhnev, with the Russians.

Donald Trump understood this very clearly.

Russia will never be our closest ally, he said, but if Russia ever becomes China’s ally, we are in deep trouble.

The combination of natural resources, military and economic power, and sheer population would make the Russia-Chinese alliance the most powerful force in the world.

The United States would soon be dethroned - we would be taking orders.

As Trump put it, there’s no reason to make Russia our enemy, and there are many reasons not to.

It was a sound case, but official Washington ignored it.

Their response, shouted in unison: "Shut up, Putin stooge!", and then they set about trying to provoke a war with Russia.

Now they have succeeded.



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Re: China calls for peace talks, cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2023, 06:56:46 pm »
Wow.  There are some really stupid people in this world.

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I don't think it's stupidity.   They actually want Russia to win but just don't want to say it openly.

Carlson: Ukraine One Year Later
Fox News. Feb 24, 2023

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He wasn't talking about Tucker Carlson.
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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2023, 08:35:33 pm »
"❗️Biden's speech at the Atlantic Council. 1997

"- And then the Russians tell me: "If you continue to expand NATO, we will make friends with China. Laughed and replied "good luck to you guys. If it doesn't work out with China, try Iran” (Video)


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« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2023, 08:46:08 pm »
"❗️Biden's speech at the Atlantic Council. 1997

"- And then the Russians tell me: "If you continue to expand NATO, we will make friends with China. Laughed and replied "good luck to you guys. If it doesn't work out with China, try Iran” (Video)

LOL !!!  You're relying on something lying-ass Joe Biden said?  This is your argument?

Let's have a look at that, shall we?

1997 - Joe Biden says something stupid

1999 - The Czech Republic, Poland, and Hungary join NATO.

2004 - Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Bulgaria join NATO.

2009 - Croatia and Albania join NATO.

2017 - Montenegro joins NATO.

2020 - North Macedonia joins NATO.

2023 - Someone posts words here about Russia's relations with China that came from Joe Biden 26 years ago as if they had any relevance at all to Russia invading Ukraine for their oil, gas, manufacturing, resources, and ports.
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