House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread

[Bigun]

Nothing - if those are the Rules that apply regardless of who is controlling the chamber.    But they aren't, and they won't be the next time the Dems are in charge.  They'll change the Rules right back to enable their majority to run roughshod over our minority.

So all we did was turbo-charge the leftist ratchet effect.

How about we just make sure they never get the opportunity again!

[Right_in_Virginia]

"it" being the fact we got McCarthy.  I'm already over it, but having Zellinskyyyyyyyyyyyy crowing about, just doesn't help.

Especially since those that stopped the show are against sending more to Ukraine....and they have the voting bloc to defeat any more requests.  Zelensky needs to better pace himself.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Don't you think McCarthy using the term "swamp accountability" exudes a bit of irony, and warrant some laughter?

He iz the swamp...   

In any case, I am glad it's over.

Under the pending rules package it will matter more what his caucas does than what McCarthy does.   Conservatives had a very big win here. Now they need to get to work and show why their win is a good thing.

[Bigun]

Under the pending rules package it will matter more what his caucas does than what McCarthy does.   Conservatives had a very big win here. Now they need to get to work and show why their win is a good thing.

 

[DB]

Nothing - if those are the Rules that apply regardless of who is controlling the chamber.  That way, we would have an equal shot at gumming up the Democrats' agenda. 

But the Rules aren't the same, and they won't be the next time the Dems are in charge.  They'll change the Rules right back to enable their majority to run roughshod over our minority, and to ram through their leftist agenda.

So all we did was turbo-charge the leftist ratchet effect.

I'd be a bit less pessimistic if we had a 20-30 vote margin, but we don't.

You mean just like the Democrats have been doing for years? This didn't open any doors for the Democrats next time they control the house, they would have done the same either way.

[catfish1957]

I might be looking at this way too simplistically, but with the "1" no confidence provision, does Kev become nothhing more but a high profile procurement logistics clerk, and club president who divies committee assignments and chairmanships?

Got to love a plan.   

[Bigun]

You mean just like the Democrats have been doing for years? This didn't open any doors for the Democrats next time they control the house, they would have done the same either way.

Our job is to make sure the Commie bastards never again have such an opportunity!

[Hoodat]

I might be looking at this way too simplistically, but with the "1" no confidence provision, does Kev become nothhing more but a high profile procurement logistics clerk, and club president who divies committee assignments and chairmanships?

Got to love a plan.   

That's the rule that was already in place before Pelosi took over.

[corbe]

   Thomas Jefferson originally put that in.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Especially since those that stopped the show are against sending more to Ukraine....and they have the voting bloc to defeat any more requests.  Zelensky needs to better pace himself.

How so?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

You mean just like the Democrats have been doing for years? This didn't open any doors for the Democrats next time they control the house, they would have done the same either way.

Under these rules, the GOP could have slowed the House to a crawl, and the Dems wouldn't have been able to accomplish nearly as much as they did. 

[Hoodat]

   Thomas Jefferson originally put that in.

And for the life of me, I can't understand why there are people here opposed to it.  It's effectively an endorsement of Pelosi's style of leadership.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I might be looking at this way too simplistically, but with the "1" no confidence provision, does Kev become nothhing more but a high profile procurement logistics clerk, and club president who divies committee assignments and chairmanships?

Got to love a plan.   

Pretty much.  Just remember where the blame goes when it goes to hell.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

And for the life of me, I can't understand why there are people here opposed to it.  It's effectively an endorsement of Pelosi's style of leadership.

Again....

The rule weakens the Speaker, which means it weakens the ability of the majority to get things done.  That's perfectly fine if it applies regardless of which side is in power. 

However, if it only applies when one side is in power, that creates a structural bias where one party has an easier time advancing its agenda than the other does in trying to reverse it.

Guess we can just wait and see how it turns out, though.

[Hoodat]

Pretty much.  Just remember where the blame goes when it goes to hell.

The blame for everything bad is going to go to the Republicans, and the credit for everything good is going to go to the Democrats.  And there is nothing Republicans can do to change that.  So the best thing they can do is to stop operating out of fear, and instead do what is right for the nation as a whole.  And #1 on that list is to stop spending money we don't have.

[Hoodat]

Again....

The rule weakens the Speaker, which means it weakens the ability of the majority to get things done.  That's perfectly fine if it applies regardless of which side is in power.

I'm OK with that.

However, if it only applies when one side is in power, that creates a structural bias where one party has an easier time advancing its agenda than the other does in trying to reverse it.

Guess we can just wait and see how it turns out, though.

In any given year, GOP control over either house can stop anything the Democrats try to fund.  That has always been in place.  The problem is that there are enough Republican collaborators out there to vote along with the Democrats.

Take Planned Parenthood funding for example.  In 2017, we had a GOP House, a GOP Senate, and a GOP President.  And when it came time to pass and sign a budget, did Republicans use their control to block Planned Parenthood funding from that budget?  No.

This shit has got to stop.  And it has to stop now.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I'm OK with that.


In any given year, GOP control over either house can stop anything the Democrats try to fund.  That has always been in place.  The problem is that there are enough Republican collaborators out there to vote along with the Democrats.

Take Planned Parenthood funding for example.  In 2017, we had a GOP House, a GOP Senate, and a GOP President.  And when it came time to pass and sign a budget, did Republicans use their control to block Planned Parenthood funding from that budget?  No.

This shit has got to stop.  And it has to stop now.

How would any of these rule changes stop that from happening?  The new rules make it even easier for the Dems to offer amendments.

[corbe]

   Told yall last night the Trumpers would take credit for something they wanted to demolish in the first place.  Correct me if I'm wrong but when MTG tried to hand her phone to Gaetz with the DJT call, he didn't take it.

[bilo]

I might be looking at this way too simplistically, but with the "1" no confidence provision, does Kev become nothhing more but a high profile procurement logistics clerk, and club president who divies committee assignments and chairmanships?

Got to love a plan.   

As I understand it the FC got control over the rules committee. If true, they will control what can be brought to the floor for a vote. I can almost live with McCarthy if this is true.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

And for the life of me, I can't understand why there are people here opposed to it.  It's effectively an endorsement of Pelosi's style of leadership.

Pelosi's style of leadership was effective as hell.  She just exercised it in a leftist direction.

[bilo]

The blame for everything bad is going to go to the Republicans, and the credit for everything good is going to go to the Democrats.  And there is nothing Republicans can do to change that.  So the best thing they can do is to stop operating out of fear, and instead do what is right for the nation as a whole.  And #1 on that list is to stop spending money we don't have.

You are spot on!

We know we have at least 20 Reps who will fight for us lets support them. I was pretty disappointed in other FC members who didn't stand up and fight and especially in Trump. He could have been the outsider he claims to be, but instead played the insider game lining up with a back stabbing RINO.

[Hoodat]

Pelosi's style of leadership was effective as hell.

The same can be said of Josef Stalin, Ho Chi Mihn, Pol Pot, Mao, and Ghengis Khan.  It cannot be said of James Monroe, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, or George Mason.  I prefer the example of the latter rather than those whom Pelosi mimics.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Pelosi's style of leadership was effective as hell.  She just exercised it in a leftist direction.

I dunno. Dems used to be able to hold the House for like 50 years. It was constantly changing hands under her direction. Not that the GOP was better I guess.

[Right_in_Virginia]

How so?

You're right @Maj. Bill Martin they don't have a bloc.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The new rules make it even easier for the Dems to offer amendments.

Unless this change comes with a maximum number of amendments, it allows the democrats to use this to stall, if not stop, the GOP agenda.