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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1175 on: January 07, 2023, 04:11:37 am »
Someone has broken their word here.  I'm guessing it is Gaetz.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1176 on: January 07, 2023, 04:11:40 am »
Good stuff!

As far as I'm concerned, the Pottery Barn rule is in effect.  Gaetz has broken the caucus. McCarthy should cancel any agreements or concessions, restart at square one, and settle in for the long haul on voting.

Let Gaetz see if he can get someone else to 218 with McCarthy still in the race.

My guess is that Jeffries or some outsider gets their first.

Exactly. Time to pull back all concessions and start talking to the Dems and see if they can make a new deal. No other option for Republicans at this point….can never give in to Gaetz and his little cadre of self aggrandizers.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1177 on: January 07, 2023, 04:12:45 am »
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Scalise now leaning in to McCarthy

MTG now coming to work Gaetz, whispering in his ear

He won’t look at MTG
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1178 on: January 07, 2023, 04:13:40 am »
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Kevin Hern needs to bury his mother.
Ken Buck needs to rest up after surgery.
Wesley Hunt needs to be with his wife and son.
This turn at the end is going to alienate a few of these guys from other hardcore conservatives in the House.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1180 on: January 07, 2023, 04:14:40 am »
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Mike Rogers of Alabama lunged at Matt Gaetz after Kevin McCarthy walked away from him.

Great, my great turned Rino state makes news during this.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1181 on: January 07, 2023, 04:15:21 am »
Realistically, this isn't even the worst of it. Just wait until they try to pass 12 different appropriations bills with Gaetz and his crew deliberately sabotaging attempts to get to 218 by insisting on poison pills for the liberal members of the caucus while touting their own conservatism.   It'll be pure grandstanding wrecking any chance at passage.

It'll be impossible.  Might as well vote for someone like Amash so the blame isn't only on Republicans.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1182 on: January 07, 2023, 04:15:47 am »
This has become personal for six members.  The GOP should regret that they didn't put up a better fight for House seats during the election.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1183 on: January 07, 2023, 04:16:56 am »
adjourn til Monday....oh brother!
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« Reply #1184 on: January 07, 2023, 04:16:57 am »
   Adjourn till Monday up for vote.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1185 on: January 07, 2023, 04:17:11 am »
Exactly. Time to pull back all concessions and start talking to the Dems and see if they can make a new deal. No other option for Republicans at this point….can never give in to Gaetz and his little cadre of self aggrandizers.

And there it is...
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1186 on: January 07, 2023, 04:18:02 am »
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 asking for adjournment until Monday.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1187 on: January 07, 2023, 04:18:33 am »
And there it is...

It’s that or Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker. Out of other options.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1188 on: January 07, 2023, 04:19:22 am »
I would vote 'no' to adjourn.  Make them stay all weekend.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1189 on: January 07, 2023, 04:20:34 am »
Gaetz (or Boebert) could have been the hero tonight.  But he chose otherwise.  Emotion got the best of him.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1190 on: January 07, 2023, 04:20:44 am »
Going to bed...I am sick of all of them!

Feel sorry for the families waiting to see their family member sworn in....
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1191 on: January 07, 2023, 04:21:12 am »
   Gaetz just worked his way onto the Rules Committee as McCarthy's pick.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1192 on: January 07, 2023, 04:21:30 am »
I would vote 'no' to adjourn.  Make them stay all weekend.

You mean like normal folk sometimes have to work weekends? Or business owners have to work 7 days a week? Gah!
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1193 on: January 07, 2023, 04:21:39 am »
Exactly. Time to pull back all concessions and start talking to the Dems and see if they can make a new deal. No other option for Republicans at this point….can never give in to Gaetz and his little cadre of self aggrandizers.

I wouldn't make a deal with the Dems, although forcing Gaetz to fulfill his promise of resigning if that happens is tempting.

Vote for Amash.  At least the blame for the  shitshow that will be the 2022-23 House will be a bit more diffuse.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1194 on: January 07, 2023, 04:21:45 am »
It’s that or Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker. Out of other options.

Options have been listed here, you are the one that suggested some are so Rino they would vote for a liberal (and I believe you). The only way to get Jeffries is true colors be shown, and you know it is coming.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1195 on: January 07, 2023, 04:25:05 am »
If Dems had crossed over on the first vote and put McCarthy in there, the Conservatives would have gotten zero concessions.

But they didn't, and the Conservatives held out to get us to this point tonight.  I'm not understanding what they are lacking?
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1196 on: January 07, 2023, 04:25:08 am »
Options have been listed here, you are the one that suggested some are so Rino they would vote for a liberal (and I believe you). The only way to get Jeffries is true colors be shown, and you know it is coming.

Could also go the plurality route, and force the six to choose between Jeffries and McCarthy.  I suspect they'd choose Jeffries, but at least that way, the GOP could be the obstructionists rather than the targets of obstructionism by both the 6 and Democrats.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1197 on: January 07, 2023, 04:25:52 am »
Options have been listed here, you are the one that suggested some are so Rino they would vote for a liberal (and I believe you). The only way to get Jeffries is true colors be shown, and you know it is coming.

Thanks to Gaetz, “other” options are dead in the water. Nowhere else to go but to deal with Dems…which means the end of every investigation we all know are desperately needed. Thx Mr Gaetz and your 6 dimwitted pals.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1198 on: January 07, 2023, 04:26:57 am »
Could also go the plurality route, and force the six to choose between Jeffries and McCarthy.  I suspect they'd choose Jeffries, but at least that way, the GOP could be the obstructionists rather than the targets of obstructionism by both the 6 and Democrats.

Explain…how would that work?
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #1199 on: January 07, 2023, 04:28:35 am »
If Dems had crossed over on the first vote and put McCarthy in there, the Conservatives would have gotten zero concessions.

But they didn't, and the Conservatives held out to get us to this point tonight.  I'm not understanding what they are lacking?

The concessions are of two basic types:

1) Symbolic votes on conservative issues that will fail, and;

2) Rules changes that will make it much easier for Democrats to sabotage the GOP majority.