House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread

[Maj. Bill Martin]

These are very right wing anti-RINO districts.....   This will galvanize the electorate.  All the  RINOs you allege can spend themselves  dry in the primaries, they'll just be pissing in the wind.

I don't think 90% of the party can fairly be called "RINO's".

[Free Vulcan]

I agree. I was simply addressing those who say you can't trust McCarthy, and therefore can't trust that he'll follow through with this deal. I was pointing out that if he doesn't follow through with the deal, the Freedom Caucus will simply move to vacate the chair.

I'd like them to hold that card a bit. In that situation I'd like to see him lose some floor or committee votes first, and play the long game to bring him in line.

Kevs' is like Xerxes in 300 - his flaw his hubris. The guy can't stand to lose or be embarrassed. A few electric shocks from the floor might keep him decently reigned in.

[mystery-ak]

🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸
@mrddmia
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Kevin McCarthy has given away his shirt, pants, socks, and underwear.

He has gutted the Speaker's powers.

All to become Speaker.

Even if he can twist enough arms, it will be a Pyrrhic victory.

Lauren Boebert will have Kevin McCarthy's balls in her purse for the next 2 years.

[oldno7]

I'd rather take Vegas odds than anything good coming out of that. 

 I'm going to have to claim rookies remorse, my quote was intended for the Maj.

This one:

Well, the negotiations are prior to the deal. What you're talking about is having a fully-executed and enforceable contract in place before you begin work as a general contractor.  Right?

The problem is that is legally impossible in the House. No matter what deals are negotiated before McCarthy becomes speaker, they aren't enforceable even if they are signed by everyone involved.  Legally, they are "gentleman's agreements".

Apologies.

[catfish1957]

I don't think 90% of the party can fairly be called "RINO's".

50% RINOs, 40% conservatives, who are so self serving, they've sold out.

I know you might be ADD, but the your post was about funding for primaries not existing make up of Congressional GOP.

[Free Vulcan]

🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸
@mrddmia
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Lauren Boebert will have Kevin McCarthy's balls in her purse for the next 2 years.

Well if it were anyone in the House, I'd want it to be Lauren Boebert. 

[Polly Ticks]

And 90% plus of the party aren't going to forget Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs.  Money will pour into their districts to finance a primary challenger.

Rumor has it that part of the agreement/concessions was that there would now be no more funding from the PAC to flip safe R seats.

[mystery-ak]

My new Rep...

https://twitter.com/RepMaryMiller/status/1611446500776615944

[Maj. Bill Martin]

🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸
@mrddmia
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Kevin McCarthy has given away his shirt, pants, socks, and underwear.

He has gutted the Speaker's powers.

All to become Speaker.

Even if he can twist enough arms, it will be a Pyrrhic victory.

Lauren Boebert will have Kevin McCarthy's balls in her purse for the next 2 years.

Well, assuming he gets elected, it'll mean the FC got what they wanted.  We'll have to wait and see what happens when their vision turns into reality.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Rumor has it that part of the agreement/concessions was that there would now be no more funding from the PAC to flip safe R seats.

No more funding from that one particular PAC, yes.  But that won't stop any other PAC from doing the exact same thing, and that's where the money will flow.

So....good luck and all.

[mystery-ak]

Jake Sherman
@JakeSherman
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🚨NEW — HOUSE REPUBLICAN leadership expects both KEN BUCK and WESLEY HUNT to return to Washington TONIGHT to help elect Kevin McCarthy speaker of the House.

[Wingnut]

🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸
@mrddmia
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Kevin McCarthy has given away his shirt, pants, socks, and underwear.



Lauren Boebert will have Kevin McCarthy's balls in her purse for the next 2 years.

He should be thankful she isn't Lorena Bobbitt.

[Kamaji]

He should be thankful she isn't Lorena Bobbitt.

[oldno7]

He should be thankful she isn't Lorena Bobbitt.

 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

50% RINOs, 40% conservatives, who are so self serving, they've sold out.

I know you might be ADD, but the your post was about funding for primaries not existing make up of Congressional GOP.

Right.  And I don't think everyone who doesn't agree with Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs can fairly be labelled a "RINO".  You're going to have an awful lot of mainstream conservatives who are not happy about the way this played out

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I used to be stationed right by where she through the severed appendage. When my buddies and I were heading out into town, we always used to have a moment of silence when passing that point.

[mystery-ak]

Olivia Beavers
@Olivia_Beavers
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Hearing chatter that part of the deal w/ holdouts is roughly 3 or so seats on Rules Committee.

Dont believe its being promised to certain members but that theyll have more HFC-type members on it. Negotiations happening outside of normal Steering process, tho still a factor here

[Free Vulcan]

I'm going to have to claim rookies remorse, my quote was intended for the Maj.

Apologies.

Just glad I'm not the only one who's done that! 

[catfish1957]

Right.  And I don't think everyone who doesn't agree with Gaetz, Boebert, and Biggs can fairly be labelled a "RINO".  You're going to have an awful lot of mainstream conservatives who are not happy about the way this played out

I agree this was a shit show from Ballot No. 1.  But please explain why McCarthy didn't work out all of these details long ago.  He honestly has had since last summer to prepare.

Wouldn't that show the leadership, knowing the backlash, and hard feelings this might create within the party? 

I'm on board when the smoke clears.  But McC's screwed the pooch, and I have a suspicion that there is going to be residual congressional animosity among the 20 for the next two years.  McCarthy is at some point have to ask himself.....   Was it worth it, and why I didn't prepare earlier.

[Free Vulcan]

He should be thankful she isn't Lorena Bobbitt.

He better not push her too hard. Lauren gets a little crazy going in those eyes from time to time.

[Right_in_Virginia]

But, they are standing up to hold McCarthy’s feet to the fire. They want solid conservative concessions from him BEFORE they vote for him. I can’t see how you don’t stand up for that.

And I am all for that.  But this isn't what Gaetz has been saying.  The moment it became crystal clear Gaetz was fundraising off a personal vendetta he should have been backbenched and removed as the face and driver of the opposition.  Conservatives need to learn this lesson, too.

I don't like the deeper split this has created in the caucas.  It has created a level of fury that will be remembered and could surface at the most inopportune times.  The first time Gaetz calls for a vacate the chair vote (and he will, unless leashed), the caucas will rupture.

While the goals were solid and necessary, the process is extremely damaging -----




@LilLamb

[Free Vulcan]

I agree this was a shit show from Ballot No. 1.  But please explain why McCarthy didn't work out all of these details long ago.  He honestly has had since last summer to prepare.

Wouldn't that show the leadership, knowing the backlash, and hard feelings this might create within the party? 

I'm on board when the smoke clears.  But McC's screwed the pooch, and I have a suspicion that there is going to be residual congressional animosity among the 20 for the next two years.  McCarthy is at some point have to ask himself.....   Was it worth it, and why I didn't prepare earlier.

And talk about the tactical stupidity and hypocrisy on his part in going for the position:

1) 'Dammit, I've earned it'
2) Moving into the speakers office before the vote
3) 'I won't back down even if only 4 others are with me'

If you want to be big boss, it all falls on you. Acting like an entitled pretty boy does not put the blame on your opposition.

[aligncare]

I was referring to the election for Speaker, but if you want to talk about the electorate in general, fine.

But in that case, I'm not sure you're right.  Just because more voters don't want actual socialism doesn't mean they agree with everything the FC stands for.  There are still a lot of voters in that great squishy middle, and they'll lean towards whomever seems the most reasonable.

Newton's Third law doesn't have to be balanced by the Freedom Caucus. It could be balanced in the eyes of those voters by just sticking with less socialistic people in the middle who seem more reasonable.

So, whether they perceive a particular conservative as offering a reasonable alternative is critical.  And that's often not just an issue of policy, but also about presentation/rhetoric.  So while it clearly is important to stick to principles, it is equally important for purposes of expanding support to not just pander to your base with red-meat rhetoric.  All that does is get you high fives from your base, while alienating people you might otherwise have been able to persuade.

How candidates are perceived impacts the reality of how people vote.

Just wanted to read this excellent analysis again. Insightful and so true.

[Free Vulcan]

232 total votes looks like? Threshold would then be 217?

[Wingnut]

He better not push her too hard. Lauren gets a little crazy going in those eyes from time to time.

She does, doesn't she!