House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The caucus has lost perspective.  2022 midterms were a disaster.  By a pretty wide margin, most of the incoming house will be dem and moderate pub.  McCarthy' ACU lifetime is 84%, which is left of everyone here, but right of the person who will be elected by a coalition.  Total capitulation is not happening --- he knows the base needs to turn out in 2024 if another disaster is to be averted.  McCarthy has promised oversight and investigations.  Other than blocking the power grabs the dems are contemplating, that is the most he can do until the numbers shift.

In terms of the election for Speaker, the FC has the leverage.  But the minute he's elected and the House starts on its actual business, the real power will shift over to the guys on the other end of the spectrum within the GOP, because they're the swing voters in the House as a whole.

It's a good idea to try to keep them loyal to the caucus as a whole, and being complete d-bags in terms of electing a Speaker is likely to have the opposite effect on them.

[catfish1957]

The caucus has lost perspective.

Disagree.  They seem to have resolve toward holding McCarthy accountible to the wills of the GOP electorate.  Which by the way, GOP candidates got 5M more votes than their counterparts.  Part of that accountibility includes keeping those voters best interests at heart.


 2022 midterms were a disaster.  By a pretty wide margin, most of the incoming house will be dem and moderate pub.

And who was Minority Leader?  Shouldn't there be some retribution or accountibility for said disaster?

 McCarthy' ACU lifetime is 84%, which is left of everyone here, but right of the person who will be elected by a coalition.

Have you seen his trending?  Last year it was 74%, and trending downward since he became a congressman...

http://ratings.conservative.org/people/M001165



 Total capitulation is not happening --- he knows the base needs to turn out in 2024 if another disaster is to be averted.

It isn't?  Check Corbe's post just above for recent "greatest hits" from Kev.

[catfish1957]

Video link to today's proceedings:

thx

[Mesaclone]

Fun, but they'll lose their credibility and leverage if all they want to do is flip the bird.

That point has already come and gone. I was a big Gaetz fan right up through last week...now its clear he needs to be primaried and dumped. He's played a key part in destroying GOP credibility and has likely destroyed our chances of winning back the Senate and White House in '24. And he's done all this with ZERO plan for who you put in place if its not McCarthy. Zippo. None. That fact is what makes it CRYSTAL clear that this is just virtue signaling with no purpose beyond self aggrandizement. If it were otherwise, they'd have their own candidate and be pushing for that person rather than mere obstruction.

Its a clown show, and that is ENTIRELY the fault of these 22 people.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

These dummies that  take these "principled stands" that go nowhere, accomplish nothing... basically amount to a buzzing of flies on a pile of putrid feces at the end of the day. It just annoys the rest of the population who aren't "principled", the 80% that only casually follow politics and just want Congress to continue on with it's business of running the country (at least nominally). There is a time and a place to make a stand.

Reminds of the government shutdowns that occur that accomplish much the same that do absolutely nothing.

Stupidity, pure stupidity.

[catfish1957]

These dummies that  take these "principled stands" that go nowhere, accomplish nothing... basically amount to a buzzing of flies on a pile of putrid feces at the end of the day. It just annoys the rest of the population who aren't "principled", the 80% that only casually follow politics and just want Congress to continue on with it's business of running the country (at least nominally). There is a time and a place to make a stand.

Reminds of the government shutdowns that occur that accomplish much the same that do absolutely nothing.

Stupidity, pure stupidity.

Without principles would 1775-1787 had even happened?

[Bigun]

These dummies that  take these "principled stands" that go nowhere, accomplish nothing... basically amount to a buzzing of flies on a pile of putrid feces at the end of the day. It just annoys the rest of the population who aren't "principled", the 80% that only casually follow politics and just want Congress to continue on with it's business of running the country (at least nominally). There is a time and a place to make a stand.

Reminds of the government shutdowns that occur that accomplish much the same that do absolutely nothing.

Stupidity, pure stupidity.

And it is apparent to all where the go along to get along crowd has led us.  That's what I call stupid.

[corbe]

   This newly elected Congress brings a unique opportunity to fix this $hit.  As @Cyber Liberty has quoted 'If not now WHEN?'

   You will Thank the Freedom Caucus, later.

[Free Vulcan]

That point has already come and gone. I was a big Gaetz fan right up through last week...now its clear he needs to be primaried and dumped. He's played a key part in destroying GOP credibility and has likely destroyed our chances of winning back the Senate and White House in '24. And he's done all this with ZERO plan for who you put in place if its not McCarthy. Zippo. None. That fact is what makes it CRYSTAL clear that this is just virtue signaling with no purpose beyond self aggrandizement. If it were otherwise, they'd have their own candidate and be pushing for that person rather than mere obstruction.

Its a clown show, and that is ENTIRELY the fault of these 22 people.

Mitch McConnell agrees with you.

[catfish1957]

Quorum not present? Rut-roh.....

Hope its just a few late-comers

[deb]

Why is there not a quorum present right away? These congress critters have one job right now. Ain’t that difficult to do. Be to work and be on time. Sheesh.

[corbe]

   Quorum established.  Pelosi nominates McCarthy.   

[corbe]

Why is there not a quorum present right away? These congress critters have one job right now. Ain’t that difficult to do. Be to work and be on time. Sheesh.

   They are tired.  They worked 8 hours yesterday, took 5 votes.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

   This newly elected Congress brings a unique opportunity to fix this $hit.  As @Cyber Liberty has quoted 'If not now WHEN?'

When we elect more conservatives to Congress, or at least have a bigger margin in the House.

All of this is going to come back and bite the FC in the ass when they realize they're no longer the key swing voters in the House as a whole.

[catfish1957]

275 of 435 present?  Are some shenanigans underway?

Wish they would show a total gallery shot to see how many empty chairs.

[deb]

275 of 435 present?  Are some shenanigans underway?

It’s congress. Shenanigans are always underway.

[Polly Ticks]

Why is there not a quorum present right away? These congress critters have one job right now. Ain’t that difficult to do. Be to work and be on time. Sheesh.

No kidding.  At the crack of noon, no less. 

[Mesaclone]

Without principles would 1775-1787 had even happened?

The Patriots then had a plan, moved rationally and with purpose toward achievable goals. Men like Washington and Adams were extremely calculating...took risks when necessary and FREQUENTLY made compromises to achieve consensus and advance their cause. They thought strategically and played the long game. They were not simpleminded obstructionists like the dolts we're dealing with now. They had a plan, knew where they wanted to go and who they wanted to lead the fight (Washington).

The men of that era are the diametric opposite of the 22 morons we're watching today. These men have no candidate for the speaker, have no purpose other than to obstruct, and are working only to aggrandize themselves and virtue signal. You defame our Founding Fathers in comparing them to these fools.

[DB]

When we elect more conservatives to Congress, or at least have a bigger margin in the House.

All of this is going to come back and bite the FC in the ass when they realize they're no longer the key swing voters in the House as a whole.

McConnell and McCarthy are gate keepers keeping conservatives out as best they can. They spend their resources as heads of the party on swamp people to keep the status quo. They'd rather lose the majority than lose their positions.

[Free Vulcan]

After 4 days, could we give up the speechifying for every nomination? 

[Right_in_Virginia]

The Patriots then had a plan, moved rationally and with purpose toward achievable goals. Men like Washington and Adams were extremely calculating...took risks when necessary and FREQUENTLY made compromises to achieve consensus and advance their cause. They thought strategically and played the long game. They were not simpleminded obstructionists like the dolts we're dealing with now. They had a plan, knew where they wanted to go and who they wanted to lead the fight (Washington).

The men of that era are the diametric opposite of the 22 morons we're watching today. These men have no candidate for the speaker, have no purpose other than to obstruct, and are working only to aggrandize themselves and virtue signal. You defame our Founding Fathers in comparing them to these fools.

Thank you. Well said.

[Hoodat]

What you are calling the Arson Caucus to some of us, are 20 patriots who don't want to give RINO McCarthy the green light toward full capitualtion to the Biden agenda. 

Not only that, they are standing in the gap to restore limitations on Congress that we have begged for over the course of decades.  We are this friggin' close.

[catfish1957]

It’s congress. Shenanigans are always underway.

If 160 dims stayed home, McCarthy wins by this count

McCarthy- 200
Jeffries- 35
FC candidates- 20

I still wish they would do a full galley shot to view of the seats

[deb]

Also, could they stop the clapping whenever a nominee votes for himself? I realize that show such bravery, but really. 

[Right_in_Virginia]