House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread

[Hoodat]

   With Buck (R, CO) out most of the day for medical treatment the magic number McCarthy will need is 217.

Buck is a McCarthy vote, so there is no change in the number of votes McCarthy would need to gain.  Before, he was at 201 needing 218.  Now he is at 200 needing 217.

[Sighlass]

   Gonna do another catnap (or 4 hour tour)

Hold the Line Boys, Hold the Line.

[cato potatoe]

Gaetz: If Democrats Join Up with GOP to Elect a Moderate Republican House Speaker, I Will Resign

What did he expect?  435 egotists aren't going to sit in a chamber for two years, waiting to be sworn in, while he nominates people who never wanted the gavel.

I'm having second thoughts about DeSantis now ... didn't he found the arson caucus? 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

So we cannot swear in new members until a speaker is nominated?

[Free Vulcan]

Gaetz: If Democrats Join Up with GOP to Elect a Moderate Republican House Speaker, I Will Resign

Thursday on FNC’s “The Ingraham Angle,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) said a coalition of Republicans and Democrats electing a moderate Republican was not a concern.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/05/gaetz-if-democrats-join-up-with-gop-to-elect-a-moderate-republican-house-speaker-i-will-resign/

Gaetz needs to quite being so twitchy and keep his head.

[catfish1957]

Gaetz needs to quite being so twitchy and keep his head.

Gaetz has voted for 6 different candidates in 11 ballots.

If we wants to avoid the schitzoid memes he needs to level off a bit.

[corbe]

   According to this @cato potatoe DeSantis was never a member of the Freedom Caucus.

https://ballotpedia.org/House_Freedom_Caucus

[BellyAche]

So we cannot swear in new members until a speaker is nominated?

Here ya go:

If no speaker is chosen, incoming House members cannot take an oath or be sworn in on the House floor, according to the U.S. Code of Law, which reads:

“At the first session of Congress after every general election of Representatives, the oath of office shall be administered by any Member of the House of Representatives to the Speaker; and by the Speaker to all the Members and Delegates present, and to the Clerk, previous to entering on any other business; and to the Members and Delegates who afterward appear, previous to their taking their seats.”

Sources:

https://history.house.gov/Institution/Origins-Development/Oath-of-Office/

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-HPRACTICE-108/html/GPO-HPRACTICE-108-34.htm

[bilo]

Gaetz has voted for 6 different candidates in 11 ballots.

If we wants to avoid the schitzoid memes he needs to level off a bit.

He knew those were ballots that were a holding action.

I rank Gaetz right up at the top in the conference. He is the only Rep I've seen who berated Generals up and down for their incompetence. He is tough and quick on his feet. We need more like him.

[Bigun]

He knew those were ballots that were a holding action.

I rank Gaetz right up at the top in the conference. He is the only Rep I've seen who berated Generals up and down for their incompetence. He is tough and quick on his feet. We need more like him.

 

[catfish1957]

He knew those were ballots that were a holding action.

I rank Gaetz right up at the top in the conference. He is the only Rep I've seen who berated Generals up and down for their incompetence. He is tough and quick on his feet. We need more like him.

There is an ocean of difference  between perception and reality.  And in the world of politics, you know which prevails.

We all know as political junkies the details of the game.  The noobs don't, and don't forget....they vote.

[Hoodat]

So we cannot swear in new members until a speaker is nominated?

New members have already been sworn in.

[catfish1957]

the arson caucus?

What you are calling the Arson Caucus to some of us, are 20 patriots who don't want to give RINO McCarthy the green light toward full capitualtion to the Biden agenda. 

You don't think he's Turdle Jr?  Prove me wrong.

[Free Vulcan]

He knew those were ballots that were a holding action.

I rank Gaetz right up at the top in the conference. He is the only Rep I've seen who berated Generals up and down for their incompetence. He is tough and quick on his feet. We need more like him.

Agree. I like Gaetz too, and think overall he's done a good job. But they need an endgame. Either a proposal on paper to lock down the rules process and prevent another Omnibus type disaster, or a list of compromise candidates that they will vote for.

Where you don't want to go is just sitting at the back of the class throwing spitballs. Fun, but they'll lose their credibility and leverage if all they want to do is flip the bird.

[Kamaji]

Agree. I like Gaetz too, and think overall he's done a good job. But they need an endgame. Either a proposal on paper to lock down the rules process and prevent another Omnibus type disaster, or a list of compromise candidates that they will vote for.

Where you don't want to go is just sitting at the back of the class throwing spitballs. Fun, but they'll lose their credibility and leverage if all they want to do is flip the bird.

[catfish1957]

The end game without some drastic measures, is going to boil down to McCarthy finding 16 out 20 FC fighters who don't hate his guts so badly that they won't vote for him under any circumstances.

I am guessing Gaetz and Biggs are pretty close to being rock solid "never"

[bilo]

There is an ocean of difference  between perception and reality.  And in the world of politics, you know which prevails.

We all know as political junkies the details of the game.  The noobs don't, and don't forget....they vote.

I agree with you, but two weeks after a Speaker is picked the noobs will forget about it, just like Afghanistan was no longer an issue when it came time to vote.

[bilo]

What you are calling the Arson Caucus to some of us, are 20 patriots who don't want to give RINO McCarthy the green light toward full capitualtion to the Biden agenda. 

You don't think he's Turdle Jr?  Prove me wrong.

 

[Free Vulcan]

The end game without some drastic measures, is going to boil down to McCarthy finding 16 out 20 FC fighters who don't hate his guts so badly that they won't vote for him under any circumstances.

I am guessing Gaetz and Biggs are pretty close to being rock solid "never"

And I think they should be. If it is McCarthy, give him 218 votes and that is all. Remind him it will be that way for the next two years.

Personally, I think they need to start talks with someone on that side and give them the list of candidates they will vote for, and do that now.

[catfish1957]

I agree with you, but two weeks after a Speaker is picked the noobs will forget about it, just like Afghanistan was no longer an issue when it came time to vote.

Yeah, I soon forget how stupid most of the electorate is.

In my voting youth, say 1975-1985 a POTUS with Biden's dismal record at every angle  would have lost 10 senate seats and 50-60 in the house easily in the mid-terms.

It's like the Movie Idocracy has been accelerated 450 years early.   

[bilo]

Agree. I like Gaetz too, and think overall he's done a good job. But they need an endgame. Either a proposal on paper to lock down the rules process and prevent another Omnibus type disaster, or a list of compromise candidates that they will vote for.

Where you don't want to go is just sitting at the back of the class throwing spitballs. Fun, but they'll lose their credibility and leverage if all they want to do is flip the bird.

From what little news I've seen they are negotiating behind the scenes and are getting agreements in writing. If McCarthy ends up Speaker then I'm not so sure how good any agreement is even if it is in writing, but I think the "gang of 20" are doing all they can.

My guess is if this goes to Wed. next week we will start seeing candidates for Speaker gaining more votes. So far what I've seen are the demands of the "gang of 20" have been very reasonable.

[Kamaji]

I agree with you, but two weeks after a Speaker is picked the noobs will forget about it, just like Afghanistan was no longer an issue when it came time to vote.

They'll forget about if the MSM let them forget about it; on the other hand, if it becomes the foundation for a constant drumbeat of "look how bad the republicans are at running things", then they won't.  Let us not underestimate the power of political propaganda spread by mass media.

[corbe]

   If Chip Roy gets his concession, it will only take 1 vote of No Confidence to force another Speaker vote.

[catfish1957]

One hour to go, and the TW@T-isphere is quiet

In fact, nothing on Speakers Race is even trending.

Just of interest, is supposedly Bolton running for POTUS.

[corbe]

Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said on a GOP conference call Thursday morning he has made progress on negotiations with Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) and others who have not been supporting him for Speaker.

But the deal is not finalized with all of the holdouts, and McCarthy stressed that the deal was still tentative – later telling members to stop leaking the details to the press and for any reporters to get off the call.

Rep. Garret Graves (R-La.), a McCarthy backer, told Republicans on the call that budget cuts under the deal would be similar to those in 2011, according to a source.

There will also be a Church-style committee under the Judiciary panel, as previously agreed to, as well as commitments to move bills through regular order and work on a Texas border bill.

Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.), another McCarthy backer, also squashed rumors on the call that the deal included Roy being chair of the Rules Committee.

— Emily Brooks

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3802149-house-speaker-election-coverage-mccarthy-allies-hope-to-hammer-out-deal-on-day-4-of-stalemate/