House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread

[Hoodat]

Some of you are being willfully blind to what this is doing to the future of conservatism….

The Kevin McCarthy's of the world have done more damage to Conservatism than the Democrats ever could.

[240B]

He doesn’t care, because he’s not causing the damage. That title goes entirely to the 22 morons.

I disagree. McCarthy is obsessed with become speaker which he considers to be his 'divine right'.
He is willing to f**k everything up before he will give it up to anybody else.
McCarthy is a suicide bomber. IT'S EITHER ME OR NOBODY!!

[Hoodat]

[Mesaclone]

Answer me this, @Mesaclone .  If you were McCarthy, what would you do to get those 17 votes?  Other than calling them "morons".

He’s already offered them essentially everything they’ve asked for…minus some obscure request to deny seniority on committee assignments. Ask this…what the he!! concessions have THEY made.

And tell me, what’s the plan when 10-20 RINOs on the left flank of the party make the sse sort of demand? How is ANY Speaker supposed to achieve ANYTHING if the caucus itself won’t honor a voting decision made within the caucus?

[Hoodat]

He’s already offered them essentially everything they’ve asked for…

If that were true, then he would be Speaker right now.

[catfish1957]

That’s just it. I’m not enamored. I don’t like the man at all…I’m just not willing to destroy Conservatism so I can feel righteous. And make no mistake, the 22 have destroyed our hopes for 2024 at all levels. That’s not melodrama, it’s a practical look at the implications. Some of you are being willfully blind to what this is doing to the future of conservatism….but voters will open your eyes soon enough. We had a real shot at winning across the board in 2024 and that’s been blown to smithereens…so damn right my hair is on fire over this.

Well, the likes of Chip Roy have been quoted on C-Span that an agreement between McCarthy and the FC rebels might be in the works.

I sure hope so, and things return to normal.

[roamer_1]

The Kevin McCarthy's of the world have done more damage to Conservatism than the Democrats ever could.

That's right.

[Mesaclone]

I disagree. McCarthy is obsessed with become speaker which he considers to be his 'divine right'.
He is willing to f**k everything up before he will give it up to anybody else.
McCarthy is a suicide bomber. IT'S EITHER ME OR NOBODY!!

200 people VOTED FOR HIM TO BE SPEAKER. This is not McCarthy stubbornly opposing 22 people…it’s 22 people demanding that TWO HUNDRED other Republicans kowtow to them.

[Mesaclone]

Well, the likes of Chip Roy have been quoted on C-Span that an agreement between McCarthy and the FC rebels might be in the works.

I sure hope so, and things return to normal.

That’s part of why I listed that as the most likely outcome in my post above.

[catfish1957]

That's right.

Words can not describe how much I detest the Turdle.  He's worse than a democrat.  He's a traiterous bastard.

[Mesaclone]

If that were true, then he would be Speaker right now.

Clearly not, as he did and yet we’re still trapped in this stupidity.

[Hoodat]

200 people VOTED FOR HIM TO BE SPEAKER.

That's not enough.  This will be a good test for McCarthy.  The first thing he should do is fire Steve Scalise.

[roamer_1]

Words can not describe how much I detest the Turdle.  He's worse than a democrat.  He's a traiterous bastard.

YUP. That he can be called a Republican is a stain on the name.

[Hoodat]

Clearly not, as he did

According to whom?

[LilLamb]

He’s already offered them essentially everything they’ve asked for…minus some obscure request to deny seniority on committee assignments. Ask this…what the he!! concessions have THEY made.

And tell me, what’s the plan when 10-20 RINOs on the left flank of the party make the sse sort of demand? How is ANY Speaker supposed to achieve ANYTHING if the caucus itself won’t honor a voting decision made within the caucus?

That's not true. He has given them some of what they asked but not the most important. Didn't you hear the guy from Montana? They want single issue bills. What American doesn't want that? Why wouldn't McCarthy agree to that?

[DB]

200 people VOTED FOR HIM TO BE SPEAKER. This is not McCarthy stubbornly opposing 22 people…it’s 22 people demanding that TWO HUNDRED other Republicans kowtow to them.

So were you saying the same thing when Manchin was hanging up the Democrat's trillion dollar spending bills by one vote?

[catfish1957]

That’s part of why I listed that as the most likely outcome in my post above.

Hate to sour the mood a bit, but an update indicated that even the agreement, they may fall a tad short.

McCarthy plans to fall a few votes short, and then pick off members via deals or via member abstention.

[oldno7]

Sure looks that way. I asked a question earlier in the thread about how many Freedom Caucus members there are. It was answered in a later post. It appears even they are divided.

I agree with the Critter voting "present". Take it behind doors, find someone that can be elected and take this crazy out of public view. Although entertaining it's really not productive. Make any demands from the dissenters part of the deal.

When they just start throwing out names during the nomination process, it looks like there is no real plan. And I am beginning to think there isn't.

Thats how they do "normal" business, I prefer in the light of day with constituents watching.

[Hoodat]

So were you saying the same thing when Manchin was hanging up the Democrat's trillion dollar spending bills by one vote?

Maybe he was.

[mystery-ak]

David Brody
@DBrodyReports
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To all the Never Kevins’: you do realize how this is going to end right? McCarthy & the Never Kevin Caucus will cut a deal where he becomes speaker & they get pretty much everything they want so that McCarthy is on a tight leash & politically neutered. Would that be a win?

[roamer_1]

David Brody
@DBrodyReports
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To all the Never Kevins’: you do realize how this is going to end right? McCarthy & the Never Kevin Caucus will cut a deal where he becomes speaker & they get pretty much everything they want so that McCarthy is on a tight leash & politically neutered. Would that be a win?

Why yes... Yes it would.

[Mesaclone]

That's not true. He has given them some of what they asked but not the most important. Didn't you hear the guy from Montana? They want single issue bills. What American doesn't want that? Why wouldn't McCarthy agree to that?

If every bill is single issue, it would be physically impossible to vote on each bill even if congress ran 24/7. One finance bill could address thousands of “issues”…so I’d love to know how that’s even possible.

[Hoodat]

David Brody
@DBrodyReports
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To all the Never Kevins’: you do realize how this is going to end right? McCarthy & the Never Kevin Caucus will cut a deal where he becomes speaker & they get pretty much everything they want so that McCarthy is on a tight leash & politically neutered. Would that be a win?

Roll the rules back to the way they were when the 13th Amendment was passed.  Then McCarthy can have is seat.

[Hoodat]

If every bill is single issue, it would be physically impossible to vote on each bill even if congress ran 24/7. One finance bill could address thousands of “issues”…so I’d love to know how that’s even possible.

That's the whole point.  Keep it simple.

[DB]

If every bill is single issue, it would be physically impossible to vote on each bill even if congress ran 24/7. One finance bill could address thousands of “issues”…so I’d love to know how that’s even possible.

Well just perhaps congress shouldn't be a bill mill machine turning out endless unaccountable laws buried in mountains of crap to obscure what they're doing.