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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #250 on: January 05, 2023, 06:28:59 pm »
   Will Kevin want to adjourn now?
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #251 on: January 05, 2023, 06:29:39 pm »
Quote from: corbe on January 05, 2023, 06:27:03 pm
    Thanks @catfish1957

If the trend holds, McCarthy will be down to his last 4 standing.  August 11th.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #252 on: January 05, 2023, 06:30:35 pm »
Quote from: corbe on January 05, 2023, 06:28:59 pm
   Will Kevin want to adjourn now?

C-Span thinks he does, but the dims have him by the testicles and want to draw this out for dramatic effect.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #253 on: January 05, 2023, 06:30:44 pm »
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #254 on: January 05, 2023, 06:32:33 pm »
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #255 on: January 05, 2023, 06:35:57 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on January 05, 2023, 06:09:22 pm
Why won’t he be able to cut a deal with the democrats?

McCarthy would be willing.  It is the Democrats that would take a pass on him for something better.


Quote from: Kamaji on January 05, 2023, 06:09:22 pm
And if he doesn’t, and the democrats peel off a couple of GOP votes for their own choice, is that choice going to be preferable to McCarthy?

Yes.  There are Republicans out there that have much bigger skeletons in their closets than McCarthy.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #256 on: January 05, 2023, 06:37:08 pm »
If I were Byron I'd meet with my bloc of votes as to what they want, and negotiate directly with McCarthy. He's going to be a future leader, he can dip his toe now.

It's ok if Gaetz and 3 or 4 others hold out, just to remind them this is only the skirmish on a long war.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #257 on: January 05, 2023, 06:38:37 pm »
I am in tears.  Twenty-one Republicans standing on principle, refusing to bend.  This is a beautiful moment.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #258 on: January 05, 2023, 06:40:04 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 05, 2023, 06:38:37 pm
I am in tears.  Twenty-one Republicans standing on principle, refusing to bend.  This is a beautiful moment.

Yup.  McCarthy didn't pick up one vote in all of these rounds of voting.  Something has to give.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #259 on: January 05, 2023, 06:40:06 pm »
Over/Under on the number of Chairmenships McCarthy offers to the dims to broker a deal?

He obviously won't be getting to the 218 with the vitriol flowing now.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #260 on: January 05, 2023, 06:43:54 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on January 05, 2023, 06:40:06 pm
He obviously won't be getting to the 218 with the vitriol flowing now.

I heard a Rep say earlier that there were 6 or 7 members who hated McCarthy's guts and would never vote for him no matter what.  As stated earlier, a degree of humility would go a long way here.  Give up the concessions, apologize to the 6 or 7, and he will eventually get the votes.  Six or seven Republicans won't hold this up forever.  But 20 will.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #261 on: January 05, 2023, 06:45:38 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on January 05, 2023, 06:40:06 pm
Over/Under on the number of Chairmenships McCarthy offers to the dims to broker a deal?

He obviously won't be getting to the 218 with the vitriol flowing now.

How rich that would be. Make it like pulling hens teeth to give up anything to Conservatives, but just hand over to the Rats and end up worse.

And I think he might be that desperate.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #262 on: January 05, 2023, 06:47:00 pm »
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How rich that would be. Make it like pulling hens teeth to give up anything to Conservatives, but just hand over to the Rats and end up worse.

And I think he might be that desperate.

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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #263 on: January 05, 2023, 06:47:19 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 05, 2023, 06:43:54 pm
I heard a Rep say earlier that there were 6 or 7 members who hated McCarthy's guts and would never vote for him no matter what.  As stated earlier, a degree of humility would go a long way here.  Give up the concessions, apologize to the 6 or 7, and he will eventually get the votes.  Six or seven Republicans won't hold this up forever.  But 20 will.

They need to put the personal animus aside, both sides, and work to an endgame. This is about strategy, not vendettas.

This is the first battle of a long war. They'll still have leverage with such a narrow majority.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #264 on: January 05, 2023, 06:47:35 pm »
Next nominating speech tactic...

Guilt the 20......

Like that's gonna help.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #265 on: January 05, 2023, 06:48:33 pm »
Questioning their patriotism? Oh that will get them to change votes.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #266 on: January 05, 2023, 06:49:04 pm »
Haven't been keeping up ...

He lost again?
Number 7 this time?

Can we get loss number 8 today?
How about number 9 ??

(Kudos to those members of the House who continue to "stand hard". Reminds me of something that Ben Franklin once said...)
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #267 on: January 05, 2023, 06:49:50 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on January 05, 2023, 06:40:06 pm
Over/Under on the number of Chairmenships McCarthy offers to the dims to broker a deal?

He obviously won't be getting to the 218 with the vitriol flowing now.

Democrats won't make a deal with McCarthy.

But the Democrats might well go for someone like Justin Amash, who apparently is in the building.  Peel off 5 moderate Republicans, and they've got a "neutral" Speaker.  Something like that could come out of nowhere, too.  Dem gets up, nominated Amash, and then the vote starts.  5 Republicans jump ship, and it's over.

Victory for Gaetz' crew, I suppose, because they'd succeed in stopping McCarthy.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #268 on: January 05, 2023, 06:52:34 pm »
Katherine Clark reminds me of every single liberal woman I’ve ever met.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #269 on: January 05, 2023, 06:56:23 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 05, 2023, 06:35:57 pm
McCarthy would be willing.  It is the Democrats that would take a pass on him for something better.


Yes.  There are Republicans out there that have much bigger skeletons in their closets than McCarthy.

Why is that preferable to having McCarthy as speaker?  If there is someone with more skeletons, the democrats will certainly know about them as well, and will offer as a quid-pro-quo to keep the lid on them; their fellow travelers in the MSM will help.

Is that really a viable option?
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #270 on: January 05, 2023, 06:58:46 pm »
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Democrats won't make a deal with McCarthy.

But the Democrats might well go for someone like Justin Amash, who apparently is in the building.  Peel off 5 moderate Republicans, and they've got a "neutral" Speaker.  Something like that could come out of nowhere, too.  Dem gets up, nominated Amash, and then the vote starts.  5 Republicans jump ship, and it's over.

Victory for Gaetz' crew, I suppose, because they succeed in stopping McCarthy.

Kinzinger and Cheney are gone.  They got the message.  LMAO that you think 5 more in the GOP would commit the same kind of political suicide.
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« Reply #271 on: January 05, 2023, 06:59:09 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on January 05, 2023, 06:56:23 pm
Why is that preferable to having McCarthy as speaker?

For the Democrats, yes.
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #272 on: January 05, 2023, 07:01:21 pm »
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #273 on: January 05, 2023, 07:02:55 pm »
Nice job by Biggs countering the last McCarthy hysteric desperation speech.

McCarthy is running out of tactics...
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Re: House Speaker Vote Live 2nd Thread
« Reply #274 on: January 05, 2023, 07:03:06 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 05, 2023, 06:59:09 pm
For the Democrats, yes.

That was a question:  why is having a speaker who was put there by democrats - with all the quid-pro-quos that implies - better than having McCarthy as speaker?

And who is to say that the democrats would select a republican to nominate?  Why not select a democrat who leans far enough to the right that 5 or 6 of the most liberal republicans will vote for them as a "unity" speaker to get past the impasse?  Is that preferable to having McCarthy as speaker?
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