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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #200 on: January 04, 2023, 11:20:24 pm »
RINO snorts:
"A Term Limits Constituional Amendment should be put forth and tested in the states, courts, and Congress.  Progress can't be made if nothing is tried."

I'm surprised this would be a sticking point with McCarthy in the first place.

Might as well have the vote.
Pro forma.
It won't pass, anyway.

Term limits will NEVER become the law of the land.
Not under the existing Constitution...
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #201 on: January 04, 2023, 11:21:33 pm »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 04, 2023, 11:20:17 pm
The other 202 Republicans HAVE chosen who they want for Speaker. Why should 19 morons get to override that?

Because 232 Representatives HAVE chosen that they don't want McCarthy for Speaker.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #202 on: January 04, 2023, 11:37:36 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 11:21:33 pm
Because 232 Representatives HAVE chosen that they don't want McCarthy for Speaker.


Oh. So now you side with 212 Democrats. So its rather clear who is with who now.


This stupidity is going to give us a Justin Amash, Lynn Cheney, or an Adam Kinzinger as Speaker of the House...all because we have 19 morons with a severe case of moral narcissism.

Anyone supporting this garbage...is...like Hoodat in his post above...now WITH the 212 Democrats in the House. Be known by the company you keep.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #203 on: January 04, 2023, 11:45:41 pm »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 04, 2023, 11:37:36 pm
Oh. So now you side with 212 Democrats. So its rather clear who is with who now.

Nope.  Not at all.  You've just seemed to have forgotten how Speakers get elected.


Quote from: Mesaclone on January 04, 2023, 11:37:36 pm
This stupidity is going to give us a Justin Amash, Lynn Cheney, or an Adam Kinzinger as Speaker of the House...all because we have 19 morons with a severe case of moral narcissism.

None of those three currently serve in the House.  But if you really fear one of them becoming Speaker, maybe you should give that narcissist Kevin McCarthy a call and ask him to move his furniture back out of the Speaker's office and withdraw his name for the good of the Party.


Quote from: Mesaclone on January 04, 2023, 11:37:36 pm
Anyone supporting this garbage...is...like Hoodat in his post above...now WITH the 212 Democrats in the House. Be known by the company you keep.

I'm not the one willing to cut deals for Democrat votes just to save face.

Let me be clear here:

TO HELL WITH THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT !

    TO HELL WITH KEVIN McCARTHY !!!

Give us a Speaker who is willing to fight against the Uniparty.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #204 on: January 04, 2023, 11:51:01 pm »
Opposition to McCarthy may have to be rethought now that Vice President Mike Pence has thrown his support toward the Speaker-elect.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #205 on: January 04, 2023, 11:53:20 pm »
Quote from: rustynail on January 04, 2023, 11:51:01 pm
Opposition to McCarthy may have to be rethought now that Vice President Mike Pence has thrown his support toward the Speaker-elect.

Shouldn't change anything.  Establishment supporters gonna be establishment supporters.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #206 on: January 05, 2023, 12:02:08 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 04, 2023, 11:20:17 pm
The other 202 Republicans HAVE chosen who they want for Speaker. Why should 19 morons get to override that?

Because that is how majority-vote rules work.  At the margin, a small number of dissenters carries outsize weight. 

To be perfectly honest, I have a hard time understanding why whatever the GOP holdouts are demanding in exchange for their votes could be worse than whatever the democrats will demand in exchange for theirs.

It also strikes me that neither faction thought their strategy through well enough to have a robust fall-back if their first gambit failed.  Which, to be perfectly honest, weighs more against McCarthy than against the dissenters.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #207 on: January 05, 2023, 12:02:17 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 04, 2023, 11:45:41 pm
Nope.  Not at all.  You've just seemed to have forgotten how Speakers get elected. The way it works is you vote within your caucus, and then everyone in the party votes for whomever won the caucus vote. Doing anything else simply helps the Left and the Dems...which is why anyone with a functioning brain cell holds to that practice.


None of those three currently serve in the House.  But if you really fear one of them becoming Speaker, maybe you should give that narcissist Kevin McCarthy a call and ask him to move his furniture back out of the Speaker's office and withdraw his name for the good of the Party. They don't have to serve in the House to be Speaker, and the holdup here is the 19 morons, not the 202 member of the GOP caucus who support the ONLY candidate on the right with substantial votes.


I'm not the one willing to cut deals for Democrat votes just to save face. Sure you are, voting for anyone but whom the GOP caucus chose for the Speaker IS cutting a deal and serving the Dems. Everything these 19 idiots do is serving the Left...and doing serious long term damage to conservatism.

Let me be clear here:

TO HELL WITH THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT !

    TO HELL WITH KEVIN McCARTHY !!!

Give us a Speaker who is willing to fight against the Uniparty.

You say "give us a speaker....". But these morons HAVE NOT DONE SO...or the ones they did vote for and nominate HAVE NO SUPPORT FROM THE REST OF THE GOP CAUCUS. My god, can people really be this thick?
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #208 on: January 05, 2023, 12:07:57 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on January 05, 2023, 12:02:08 am
Because that is how majority-vote rules work.  At the margin, a small number of dissenters carries outsize weight. 

To be perfectly honest, I have a hard time understanding why whatever the GOP holdouts are demanding in exchange for their votes could be worse than whatever the democrats will demand in exchange for theirs.

That is how the rules work, of course. The hope being that no one is dumb enough to abuse these rules in such a way as to surrender the Speakership to the Dems...which is what they are doing. McCarthy has made many concessions...and virtually the entire caucus supports this little list of legislative demands (which are moot as they either cannot pass the Senate or have already been deemed unconstitutional). This is not on McCarthy, its on these idiots who have no alternative, but simply want to hand this off to the Dems while making Republicans look like they can't govern an elementary school council. We are, in real time, watching these 19 morons give away the White House, the House, and the Senate in 2024...and yes, its sickening.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #209 on: January 05, 2023, 12:08:04 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 04, 2023, 11:20:17 pm
The other 202 Republicans HAVE chosen who they want for Speaker. Why should 19 morons get to override that?

Maybe he should have got more Republicans elected.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #210 on: January 05, 2023, 12:09:10 am »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on January 05, 2023, 12:08:04 am
Maybe he should have got more Republicans elected.

Maybe we all should have, as that blame is shared across all Republicans including us as voters.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #211 on: January 05, 2023, 12:10:53 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 05, 2023, 12:07:57 am
That is how the rules work, of course. The hope being that no one is dumb enough to abuse these rules in such a way as to surrender the Speakership to the Dems...which is what they are doing. McCarthy has made many concessions...and virtually the entire caucus supports this little list of legislative demands (which are moot as they either cannot pass the Senate or have already been deemed unconstitutional). This is not on McCarthy, its on these idiots who have no alternative, but simply want to hand this off to the Dems while making Republicans look like they can't govern an elementary school council. We are, in real time, watching these 19 morons give away the White House, the House, and the Senate in 2024...and yes, its sickening.

Question: is anything this merry band of dissenters has demanded worse than what the democrats would demand for their votes?
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #212 on: January 05, 2023, 12:13:34 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 05, 2023, 12:02:17 am
You say "give us a speaker....". But these morons HAVE NOT DONE SO...or the ones they did vote for and nominate HAVE NO SUPPORT FROM THE REST OF THE GOP CAUCUS. My god, can people really be this thick?

Again, take McCarthy out of the equation, and you will get your Speaker.  Do you not see that Reps are afraid to vote against him lest they lose all perks, privileges, and committee assignments for daring to go against the emperor?
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #213 on: January 05, 2023, 12:23:49 am »
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #214 on: January 05, 2023, 12:25:03 am »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on January 05, 2023, 12:08:04 am
Maybe he should have got more Republicans elected.

Or maybe the Freedom Caucus should have elected more than 30 members.

If you thought here was some targeting of hard-liners in the 2020 GOP primaries, you are going to see a freaking witch hunt in 2024.  The intra-party warfare that will be created over this, and the mileage Democrats are going to get out of this in 2024, is going to dwarf whatever allegedly conservative gains Perry, etc , hope to get out of this.

This isn't how you gain power as a movement.  It's how you marginalize yourself.
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« Reply #215 on: January 05, 2023, 12:25:51 am »
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #216 on: January 05, 2023, 12:27:30 am »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on January 05, 2023, 12:25:03 am
. . . and the mileage Democrats are going to get out of this in 2024 . . .

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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #217 on: January 05, 2023, 12:28:42 am »
Quote from: Bigun on January 05, 2023, 12:25:51 am
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What's he going to threaten them with this time?  Will he take away their parking spots?
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #218 on: January 05, 2023, 12:31:55 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on January 05, 2023, 12:10:53 am
Question: is anything this merry band of dissenters has demanded worse than what the democrats would demand for their votes?

If they're demand is the removal of the person over 200 Republicans want...as it seems to be...then yes. Because, once you allow any small group inthe party to have a veto over who is Speaker, chaos rules and nothing can be achieved.

What's next...10 RINO's hold the whole party hostage to get everything THEY want? Where does that end? Most likely with someone like Liz Cheney as Speaker of the House.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #219 on: January 05, 2023, 12:40:44 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 05, 2023, 12:31:55 am
What's next...10 RINO's hold the whole party hostage to get everything THEY want? Where does that end?

Right now, 201 RINOs are holding the whole Party hostage.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #220 on: January 05, 2023, 12:42:17 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 05, 2023, 12:31:55 am
If they're demand is the removal of the person over 200 Republicans want...as it seems to be...then yes. Because, once you allow any small group inthe party to have a veto over who is Speaker, chaos rules and nothing can be achieved.

What's next...10 RINO's hold the whole party hostage to get everything THEY want? Where does that end? Most likely with someone like Liz Cheney as Speaker of the House.

LOL!

Everything?

When do conservatives get anything they want. Pretty much never due to people who surrender every battle.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #221 on: January 05, 2023, 12:45:06 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on January 05, 2023, 12:40:44 am
Right now, 201 RINOs are holding the whole Party hostage.

That is the party...201 Republicans chosen by millions of Republican and conservative voters. If your claim is that they are all RINO's than...well...that's a you problem. There are some RINOs, as there has to be in any majority.

Ask yourself why people like Trump and Desantis, Cruz and Levin, want this dumba$$ery to end.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #222 on: January 05, 2023, 12:47:02 am »
Quote from: Mesaclone on January 05, 2023, 12:45:06 am
Ask yourself why people like Trump and Desantis, Cruz and Levin, want this dumba$$ery to end.

I want it to end, too.  So McCarthy needs to put his ego away and step aside for the good of the Party.
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
« Reply #223 on: January 05, 2023, 12:50:48 am »
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Re: Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days
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