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Re: Trump's Achilles' heel? [COVID-19 Lockdown--15 Days to Flatten the Curve]
« Reply #75 on: November 19, 2022, 10:34:42 pm »
Really?  In Texas I walked right into Tractor Supply and purchased Ivermectin.  My Dr. recommended it.

Your doctor recommended it because he knew that if he wrote you a script for it, no pharmacist would have filled it.  And the reason no pharmacist would fill it is because they would have lost out on bigtime federal money if they did.

The fact that you had to purchase animal grade ivermectin instead of having the people version available to you proves my point.
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« Reply #76 on: November 19, 2022, 11:33:00 pm »
Really?  In Texas I walked right into Tractor Supply and purchased Ivermectin.  My Dr. recommended it.
In most places your doctor would not have. Here, they would not.
Doctors attempting to prescribe Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine were on someone's sh*t list.
My mother had been taking Hydroxychloroquine for years for RA, (how I knew something was wrong with the narrative being pushed) but instead of getting her standard 90 day refill, could barely get 30 day scrips.
That unavailability, even for known and well established off label uses was no accident.

Doctors who recommended/ prescribed HCQ of IVM were under attack, and many simply would not even discuss it, rather than lose their admitting privileges at hospitals.

That indicates a coordinated effort within the medical community to 'ban' these drugs and, in doing so, the regimens which used them. Had enough people been able to officially obtain the HCQ/Azithromycin/Zinc or IVM/doxycycline/zinc regimens on demand, there would have been a recorded database of people who had been successfully treated, no PANIC, no lockdowns, school would have continued for kids, millions would have kept their jobs, etc., (and the dems would have had a harder time stealing elections in 2020).

Even more reason, however, there would have been no panic, something Trump was trying to alleviate, but others in the media, political, and medical community were promoting as hard as they could. Because the push was for vaccines from the top of the Medical Establishment (CDC, NIAID, WHO, FDA) the efficacy of such treatments could not become a matter of record. The seriously bad (two retracted from major medical journals would flunk middle school science fair bad) studies purporting to show the HCQ and IVM protocols as ineffective or harmful were waved about as if they were valid assessments of the protocols in early onset COVID, and the push for the jabs was on.

Interestingly, as one not bashful about using veterinary antibiotics, the prime source for fish antibiotics (Thomas Laboratories) which came in the same dosages and identical capsules as human antibiotics, stopped producing common antibiotics for pets. From simple penicillin to Cipro, Clindamycin, Keflex, azithromycin, doxycycline, and others, the supply of antibiotics which would work just fine in humans but did not require a physician's prescription because they were for pets, simply dried up. Done, gone, out of stock.

So the difficulty in taking what the Medical Establishment claimed didn't work (just look at the deeply flawed studies--or better yet, to preserve the narrative, read the summary and not the actual study) went up a notch.

I, too, obtained ivermectin at Tractor Supply, (face it, horses were/are worth more in the leftist mindset than humans), did the math on the per pound dosage in a tube of it, and figured the by unit weight dosage for horses is the same as for humans (0.2 mg/kg). I took it when I had COVID, was well inside a week. I went to the walk-in clinic for lung crud, was prescribed doxycycline, was tested, went home and took IVM/Doxy/Zn, with D3 and Vitamin C supplements too, and got well. Test results came in 5 days later, about two days before I considered myself well enough to return to normal activities.
The Doxycycline was the hardest part to get (when before it would have been easy).

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Re: Trump's Achilles' heel? [COVID-19 Lockdown--15 Days to Flatten the Curve]
« Reply #77 on: November 20, 2022, 04:05:15 am »
Well the fact of the matter is he got blamed for the deaths anyway. He didn't escape blame by following the bureaucrats taking the safe route.

The bottom line of this argument is no one in government is accountable. That the executive doesn't lead the executive branch. That these executive agencies have no superiors.

I think Trump trusted the establishment way more than he should have, and I would bet he would agree in retrospect.

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« Reply #78 on: November 20, 2022, 05:19:18 am »
You were right then and are still right today @massadvj

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« Reply #79 on: November 20, 2022, 12:38:44 pm »
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Nice of you to notice, Earl. BTW I am back in Texas for the winter. You might have noticed I brought the weather with me.

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« Reply #80 on: November 20, 2022, 01:08:32 pm »
I don't really blame Trump for the initial lockdowns.  No president could have resisted the CDC and MSM at that point. They would have led every program with "Trump killed another X-thousand people today...."  I said this in an article I wrote for American Thinker at the time.  It is amazing how well this article has stood the test of time, even if I say so myself.

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Please post the link to the article you've written on the implications of the handling of the pandemic since Jan 20, 2021  --- would love to read it.

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« Reply #81 on: November 20, 2022, 01:17:43 pm »
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Please, reconsider.      :crossed:

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« Reply #82 on: November 20, 2022, 01:19:59 pm »
I know we haven't had an Ivermectin discussion in quite a while, but after our English Bulldog died (not the recent one, but 10 years ago), i found that Ivermectin has a very strong correlation to seizures, especially with certain breeds. 

This even after very carefully administering the dosage as guided by our Veterinarian.  As much as I now don't trust the COVID Vax (I've had the first two rounds plus a booster) I sure don't want to take something that has even less study with human subjects.
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« Reply #83 on: November 20, 2022, 02:34:10 pm »
@massadvj

Please post the link to the article you've written on the implications of the handling of the pandemic since Jan 20, 2021  --- would love to read it.

Thanks.

@Right_in_Virginia  The ink was right there below my original post. Here it is.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/covid19_the_security_implications.html

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« Reply #84 on: November 20, 2022, 02:42:24 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia  The ink was right there below my original post. Here it is.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/covid19_the_security_implications.html

 @massadvj
Great write up... The other part that is not being discuss is how vulnerable the US was for 2 years to an military attack which worries me more than the virus.



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« Reply #85 on: November 20, 2022, 02:45:03 pm »
@massadvj
Great write up... The other part that is not being discuss is how vulnerable the US was for 2 years to an military attack which worries me more than the virus.

There are many things brought about by the COVID hoax that should worry any right thinking person more than the virus @EdinVA
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« Reply #86 on: November 20, 2022, 08:59:02 pm »
@massadvj
Great write up... The other part that is not being discuss is how vulnerable the US was for 2 years to an military attack which worries me more than the virus.

The attack has already begun.  The first battles are in Ukraine, under proxy.

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« Reply #87 on: November 20, 2022, 09:04:25 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia  The ink was right there below my original post. Here it is.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/covid19_the_security_implications.html

I read this @massadvj    -----  and thought it was quite well done.    But this was written on Apr 7, 2020, and I'm wondering if you've written a sequel (so to speak) on the implications of the "management" of the pandemic since Jan 20, 2021.  I'd like to read your thoughts on this, too.

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« Reply #88 on: November 20, 2022, 09:16:32 pm »
The attack has already begun.  The first battles are in Ukraine, under proxy.

IMHO the attack began October/November 2019 and is ongoing.
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« Reply #89 on: November 21, 2022, 06:55:09 pm »
I read this @massadvj    -----  and thought it was quite well done.    But this was written on Apr 7, 2020, and I'm wondering if you've written a sequel (so to speak) on the implications of the "management" of the pandemic since Jan 20, 2021.  I'd like to read your thoughts on this, too.

Thanks.

Resending ICYMI @massadvj   ---if you could let me know, I'd appreciate it (I'd really like to stop checking this thread   :laugh: )

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« Reply #90 on: November 21, 2022, 11:27:56 pm »
Resending ICYMI @massadvj   ---if you could let me know, I'd appreciate it (I'd really like to stop checking this thread   :laugh: )

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I saw it. Sorry I did not respond.  I have not written a sequel. Maybe you should write one.  :beer:

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« Reply #91 on: November 21, 2022, 11:34:46 pm »
Uh, that's not entirely accurate...

"Woodrow Wilson Got the Flu in a Pandemic During the World War I Peace Talks"

https://www.history.com/news/woodrow-wilson-1918-pandemic-world-war-i

Past Pandemics

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/basics/past-pandemics.html

The Worst Outbreaks in U.S. History

https://www.healthline.com/health/worst-disease-outbreaks-history

Apples to oranges in my opinion.  People were not advised to go under lockdown. Huge difference. 
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« Reply #92 on: November 21, 2022, 11:41:22 pm »
Apples to oranges in my opinion.  People were not advised to go under lockdown. Huge difference.

Yes. that is the difference - And the lockdown was the slip of tyranny showing...

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« Reply #93 on: November 21, 2022, 11:54:12 pm »
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« Reply #94 on: November 22, 2022, 12:39:01 am »
I know we haven't had an Ivermectin discussion in quite a while, but after our English Bulldog died (not the recent one, but 10 years ago), i found that Ivermectin has a very strong correlation to seizures, especially with certain breeds. 

This even after very carefully administering the dosage as guided by our Veterinarian.  As much as I now don't trust the COVID Vax (I've had the first two rounds plus a booster) I sure don't want to take something that has even less study with human subjects.
https://www.thesprucepets.com/is-ivermectin-safe-dogs-and-cats-3384698

Oddly enough, several medical journal articles I could have linked concerning Ivermectin use in humans over the last 25 years are now unavailable. Imagine that.

Abstracts remain available, but finding full text is a challenge.

Here is one which concentrates on the anti-parasitic properties, which Ivermectin, chloroquine, and hydroxychloroquine were developed to provide.
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/pjab/87/2/87_2_13/_pdf/-char/en
It also turns out that all three are powerful ionophores, which is where Ivermectin use comes in with COVID, to get Zinc ions into cells affected by the virus, where Zinc was known to interrupt the reproduction of SARS since 2005. Turns out that works with SARS-Cov-2, also.

I researched the normal clinical dose of Ivermectin in humans at the Mayo Clinic website.
It is weight based, as in 0.2 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. It turns out, doing the math, that the dosage of the 1.87% Ivermectin "horse paste" works out to the same per unit of body weight as the dosage for humans.

Some breeds of dogs are sensitive to and subject to harmful effects from Ivermectin, and as such the use of Ivermectin for those breeds may be contraindicated. English Bulldogs are one of those breeds, and I have seen several accounts from owners that would have me very cautious about giving Ivermectin to dogs of that breed.

However, I have taken Ivermectin (the 'horse paste'--because I could get it), and it is not the first time I have used veterinary antibiotics, myself. Not only did I have no ill effects, but I firmly believe, that in conjunction with Zinc supplementation and the doxycycline the doctor would prescribe, that contributed to me being well just shortly after I got the test results back. At ten days (from symptom onset) I tested clear of the virus.

Keep in mind, that having a relative who had taken hydroxychloroquine for seven years to great benefit for Rheumatoid Arthritis already had me skeptical of the Mainstream Media attack on possible treatments for COVID, that I had seem Zelenko's You Tube which explained (very well) the strategy behind the use of Hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/Zinc in the treatment, and that I had researched the efficacy of Zinc in combating SARS-in vitro and in vivo-which verified Zelenko's claim that the use of HCQ as an ionophore (also documented elsewhere) to get Zinc into type one pneumocytes and epithelial airway cells would stymie the progress of the disease and effectively give the body the time it needed to form antibodies and fight it off.

The ionophore effects of Ivermectin are similar to the use of Hydroxychloroquine, the doxycycline replaces another macrolide antibiotic (Azithromycin, which, idiopathically, suppress immune function just enough to prevent a cytokine storm and prevents opportunistic bacterial infection), and the zinc, the essential ion which disrupts the replication of the virus. There are other ionophores as well, among them Quercetin and Epigallocatechin-gallate. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jf5014633

I read the 'studies' which purported to prove that HCQ was ineffective, but those studies all failed to administer Zinc supplementation, most failed to include the Macrolide Antibiotic, and all were administered in the late stages of the disease. Hardly a way to 'prove' that the use of a treatment protocol designed to stop the disease in its early stages is ineffective. Preventing viral replication is somewhat moot after the virus has had ample time to replicate and spread throughout the body, and the damage is done.
Every study thus presented was deeply flawed, and not indicative of a lack of efficacy as an early onset treatment as so often claimed in the Media.

We know now that there existed political, economic, and possibly other motives for decrying these treatment regimens as ineffective, and one study (conducted in Brazil) actually dispensed lethal doses of Chloroquine to participants, and the Media claimed the study had been stopped because patients were dying from the Chloroquine, but failed to explain that 4 times the LD50 (lethal dose for 50% of recipients) of chloroquine had been administered. Chloroquine was conflated in the media with Hydroxychloroquine (two related, but different drugs), and the concept that both were deadly pushed, while Remdesivir, a drug with reported adverse effects of kidney and liver failure was advocated by the CDC and Medical Establishment.

I think it is worth noting that the entire regimen of HCQ/Azithromycin/Zinc or IVM/doxycycline/Zinc should have cost less than $20/course (not dose, course), whereas Remdesivir, administered iv in a clinical setting was some $3000, and we're still finding out the cost of the "safe and effective" mRNA injections.
If, as noted, you have had the shots and have had no ill effects, I'm glad. Unfortunately, that has not been the case for many--enough to especially question the wisdom of administering those injections as a childhood 'vaccine'.
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« Reply #95 on: November 22, 2022, 12:41:16 am »
Your doctor recommended it because he knew that if he wrote you a script for it, no pharmacist would have filled it.  And the reason no pharmacist would fill it is because they would have lost out on bigtime federal money if they did.

The fact that you had to purchase animal grade ivermectin instead of having the people version available to you proves my point.

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« Reply #96 on: November 22, 2022, 12:42:26 am »
I know we haven't had an Ivermectin discussion in quite a while, but after our English Bulldog died (not the recent one, but 10 years ago), i found that Ivermectin has a very strong correlation to seizures, especially with certain breeds. 

This even after very carefully administering the dosage as guided by our Veterinarian.  As much as I now don't trust the COVID Vax (I've had the first two rounds plus a booster) I sure don't want to take something that has even less study with human subjects.

Ivermectin has had plenty of use in human beings.  It is a standard anti-parasitic that is administered annually to millions of people in Africa. 

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« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2022, 02:40:52 am »
Apples to oranges in my opinion.  People were not advised to go under lockdown. Huge difference.

Uh, yes they were...ordered in fact, under threat of prosecution.

'A breaking point': Anti-lockdown efforts during Spanish flu offer a cautionary tale for coronavirus

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/breaking-point-anti-lockdown-efforts-during-spanish-flu-offer-cautionary-n1202111
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« Reply #98 on: November 22, 2022, 02:45:03 am »
@art.proutIt does seem that with time these type of posters eventually find the door and leave on their own.

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« Reply #99 on: November 22, 2022, 02:51:28 am »
Wel, I'm not going any where, especially since I was invited back.  Make of that what you will.

Good, I am glad that you aren't going anywhere, and if it came across that I was insinuating that you leave, then I apologize.

You'll eventually get to know me, and I will eventually get to know you.

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