Fears of sabotage as gas pours into Baltic from Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines

[Smokin Joe]

I can only think of one outfit that has that level of capability and crazed activism, and that is Green Peace.  But, this operation does 't fit their M.O.

I am 95% sure due to the level of explosives, and use of divers, that this was governmentally sponsored.  And I were to bet, I'd wager it was ours.

Tucker Carlson was about as clear as it comes tonight without fulling accusing Biden.  IMO.....Pedo Joe has upped his war on hydocarbon a couple of notches, and this probably is the 1st violent salvo.

It'd likely be faster, safer, and easier to place charges with ROVs than divers. decompression time alone would tie them down for quite a while unless something like a SAT diver's bell and compression/decompression habitat were used on the vessel, the divers prepped prior to arriving, lowered on site, and retrieved and decompressed en route to where ever.

But the Russians could have done this by shooting a pig that has a timed explosive charge in it--and then used the incident as a false flag operation.

[Smokin Joe]

You don't really need divers if you know exactly where the pipe is. With current sonar tech I'm sure it is pretty easy to scan the bottom and see exactly where the pipe is. Just drop your explosives right on it.

A ROV would make sure the explosives were placed correctly. Currents would mess with a simple drop.

[Kamaji]

You don't really need divers if you know exactly where the pipe is. With current sonar tech I'm sure it is pretty easy to scan the bottom and see exactly where the pipe is. Just drop your explosives right on it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

 

Stephen McIntyre
@ClimateAudit

@FWarweg points out an important sequence of US, UK and Ukrainian operations that appear to have prepared the sabotage of Nordstream 2. I've checked the underlying events and will amplify slightly. 

 
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in June 2022, the US and NATO carried out an extensive "training" exercise near Bornholm Island in exact area where Nordstream was sabotaged
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one of the major "achievements" of the operation was the collection of over 200 hours of undersea data - data which presumably included precision mapping of the exact location of the Nordstream pipelines that was sufficiently precise for remote sabotage
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four weeks ago, in August 2022, the UK trained Ukrainian specialists in the use of underwater drones
https://archive.ph/GGTZT https://royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2022/august/26/20220826-royal-navy-divers-train-ukrainians-to-hunt-for-mines-with-underwater-drones
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training of Ukrainians in use of advanced underwater drones is shown in video here  https://youtube.com/watch?v=WwBSjsPZIA8
The UK trainer observes that drones "know where it is in relation to the surface". I.e. it's capable of exactly locating the Nordstream pipelines that US drones had mapped.
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the video showing the training of Ukrainian specialists in underwater drones during August 2022 that was posted up on Youtube by US Military Central was watermarked "US Military Central"
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the Royal Navy article on the training operation (joint with US Navy) stated that the UK gave "six of the underwater drones to Ukraine"
https://royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2022/august/26/20220826-royal-navy-divers-train-ukrainians-to-hunt-for-mines-with-underwater-drones
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less than 4 weeks later, the Nordstream undersea pipelines - which Ukraine hated as it bypassed the Ukrainian tolls on Russian gas that had been exploited and embezzled by so many Ukro oligarchs - was sabotaged.
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So the US was in possession of precision location data of Nordstream pipelines; Ukraine specialists had been trained by UK and US in the use of underwater drones which could be precisely controlled remotely; UK gave six advanced drones to Ukraine. Means, motive, opportunity


9:44 PM · Sep 27, 2022  Twitter Web App

[catfish1957]

It'd likely be faster, safer, and easier to place charges with ROVs than divers. decompression time alone would tie them down for quite a while unless something like a SAT diver's bell and compression/decompression habitat were used on the vessel, the divers prepped prior to arriving, lowered on site, and retrieved and decompressed en route to where ever.

But the Russians could have done this by shooting a pig that has a timed explosive charge in it--and then used the incident as a false flag operation.

Yes, logistical details that explain the act, but as far as who, I still don't see this being m.o. of activist.  This has covert governmental shit all over it.

[mystery-ak]

Whether or not Russia was behind the Nord Stream blasts, little was at stake
Dan Sabbagh

Kremlin officials have talked up implications of the gas pipe explosions but there is no reason to expect a western military response



It may never be possible to determine definitively whether Monday’s underwater explosions at the two Nord Stream gas pipelines were the work of Russian sabotage, but it is certainly the way to bet.

The incidents took place close to – but just outside – the 12-mile territorial waters of Denmark’s Bornholm in the Baltic Sea, the kind of calibration that might be expected from a state actor mindful of the country’s Nato membership.

What is not immediately clear is how any attack would have been carried out. A submarine targeting the pipelines should have been detected in the Baltic’s relatively shallow waters, where depths rarely exceed 100 metres. But there is no mention of submarines from the countries investigating the incidents.

Nor is Baltic the location where it would make sense to deploy deep-water Losharik submarines, which could be deployed by the Russians to cut the communications cables that run deep under the Atlantic, where the waters have an average depth more like 3,500 metres.

One British military source speculated that mines may have been discreetly laid from a disguised commercial vessel and detonated days or weeks later. That would be an operation that would need to have been undertaken with some care, but not particularly specialised military resources.

This last part is guesswork and western officials were quick to stress on Tuesday that the explosions appeared to have affected Russian-owned assets.

The Nord Stream 1 pipeline between Russia and Germany is 51% owned by Gazprom, the St Petersburg-headquartered energy giant, while Nord Stream 2 is owned by a Swiss subsidiary of the same company. None of those assets would, by this thinking, demand any kind of Nato or other western military response.

more
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/27/whether-or-not-russia-was-behind-the-nord-stream-blasts-little-was-at-stake

[Idiot]

Yes, logistical details that explain the act, but as far as who, I still don't see this being m.o. of activist.  This has covert governmental shit all over it.

To have 2 or 3 explosives go off at the same time, it was a government that did this.  Likely ours...  No way Russia blew up their own pipeline.  Crap....just turn off the valve...so much easier.

[catfish1957]

To have 2 or 3 explosives go off at the same time, it was a government that did this.  Likely ours...  No way Russia blew up their own pipeline.  Crap....just turn off the valve...so much easier.

Fully agree.  I understand false flags, but no way the Russians would  pull one off this expensive.

[Kamaji]

EU threatens 'strongest possible response' to Putin for 'deliberate' sabotage of the Nordstream gas pipeline amid fears Kremlin frogmen blew it up off Sweden, causing 3,000-foot-wide bubble plume and sending prices spiking

By MAILONLINE REPORTER
28 September 2022

The EU has threatened the 'strongest possible response' to Putin for the 'deliberate' sabotage of the Nordstream gas pipeline amid fears Kremlin frogmen blew it up off the coast of Sweden, causing a 3,000-foot-wide bubble plume and sending prices spiking. European Commission Chief Ursula von der Leyen on Tuesday said the leaks of the Nord Stream pipelines were caused by sabotage, and warned of the 'strongest possible response' should active European energy infrastructure be attacked.

'Spoke to (Danish Prime Minister Mette) Frederiksen on the sabotage action Nordstream,' von der Leyen said on Twitter, adding it was paramount now to investigate the incidents to get full clarity on the 'events and why.' 'Any deliberate disruption of active European energy infrastructure is unacceptable and will lead to the strongest possible response,' she warned.

The Nordsteam pipe from Russia suffered 'unprecedented' damage with explosions heard near the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipes. Gas is now leaking into the Baltic from three holes, scientists have confirmed, while chronic safety concerns have led to a five-mile exclusion zone being imposed around the affected area. Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said her government believes the leaks were caused by 'deliberate actions', adding that the gas supply pipeline will be out of action for around a week.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-11258977/EU-threatens-Putin-sabotaged-gas-pipeline-Sweden.html

[catfish1957]

EU threatens 'strongest possible response' to Putin for 'deliberate' sabotage of the Nordstream gas pipeline amid fears Kremlin frogmen blew it up off Sweden, causing 3,000-foot-wide bubble plume and sending prices spiking

By MAILONLINE REPORTER
28 September 2022

The EU has threatened the 'strongest possible response' to Putin for the 'deliberate' sabotage of the Nordstream gas pipeline amid fears Kremlin frogmen blew it up off the coast of Sweden, causing a 3,000-foot-wide bubble plume and sending prices spiking. European Commission Chief Ursula von der Leyen on Tuesday said the leaks of the Nord Stream pipelines were caused by sabotage, and warned of the 'strongest possible response' should active European energy infrastructure be attacked.

'Spoke to (Danish Prime Minister Mette) Frederiksen on the sabotage action Nordstream,' von der Leyen said on Twitter, adding it was paramount now to investigate the incidents to get full clarity on the 'events and why.' 'Any deliberate disruption of active European energy infrastructure is unacceptable and will lead to the strongest possible response,' she warned.

The Nordsteam pipe from Russia suffered 'unprecedented' damage with explosions heard near the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipes. Gas is now leaking into the Baltic from three holes, scientists have confirmed, while chronic safety concerns have led to a five-mile exclusion zone being imposed around the affected area. Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said her government believes the leaks were caused by 'deliberate actions', adding that the gas supply pipeline will be out of action for around a week.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-11258977/EU-threatens-Putin-sabotaged-gas-pipeline-Sweden.html

This is either the ultimate of false flagging, or gas lighting in recent memory.

Me?  I fail to see how or why the Ruskies would knock out a revenue stream in the middle of a war.

[Kamaji]

This is either the ultimate of false flagging, or gas lighting in recent memory.

Me?  I fail to see how or why the Ruskies would knock out a revenue stream in the middle of a war.

Everything about Putin and Russia is odd these days.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Everything about Putin and Russia is odd these days.

This pales in comparison with the fixation on Russia and Ukraine by the still ruling Obama administration.

[Kamaji]

This pales in comparison with the fixation on Russia and Ukraine by the still ruling Obama administration.

[DB]

This is either the ultimate of false flagging, or gas lighting in recent memory.

Me?  I fail to see how or why the Ruskies would knock out a revenue stream in the middle of a war.

Perhaps because they believe they can crush Europe's economy forcing Europe to compromise with Russia. Russia is already taking a major hit with much of the gas already turned off plus the sanctions. This gives Russia cover for what's coming in Europe this winter. It isn't their fault someone blew up the pipeline. Even better if it looks like we did it, Europe blames us and causes further division among the west. The more fractured the west the better it is for both Russia and China.

Lots of possibilities...

[Kamaji]

Perhaps because they believe they can crush Europe's economy forcing Europe to compromise with Russia. Russia is already taking a major hit with much of the gas already turned off plus the sanctions. This gives Russia cover for what's coming in Europe this winter. It isn't their fault someone blew up the pipeline. Even better if it looks like we did it, Europe blames us and causes further division among the west. The more fractured the west the better it is for both Russia and China.

Lots of possibilities...

[mountaineer]

Karine says there's an investigation and we want to see where it goes. 

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1575187226094354432

[Smokin Joe]

Yes, logistical details that explain the act, but as far as who, I still don't see this being m.o. of activist.  This has covert governmental shit all over it.

Yep. Your average--and even above average guy isn't going to whip that equipment in his basement. It takes some very capable people and a lot of coin to set up the placement equipment, and then there are the explosives.

[Right_in_Virginia]

What's funny about my statement @Kamaji ?  Please, be specific.

[yodaspock]

To find our who did it you need to look at all the sub's locations, Brandon and a 688 Los Angles class is the most likely! 

One more item for the impeachment trial.

[catfish1957]

To find our who did it you need to look at all the sub's locations, Brandon and a 688 Los Angles class is the most likely! 

One more item for the impeachment trial.

Too much legislation to do come 2023 to undo his damage. Let's criminally prosecute this pedo SOB after he is booted from office in 2025.

[Fishrrman]

Fishrrman's "you better believe it" speculation #1:
Mr. Trump did it, to settle the score with those Germans laughing at him in the UN a while back.

Fishrrman's "you better believe it" speculation #2:
Israel did it, to promote the sale of their own recently-discovered natural gas resources, even though Western Europe has ignored them so far...

[DB]

To find our who did it you need to look at all the sub's locations, Brandon and a 688 Los Angles class is the most likely! 

One more item for the impeachment trial.

Turkey totally controls who/what has access to the Black Sea from the Mediterranean Sea. It would be mighty difficult to slip a sub in there undetected.

[DefiantMassRINO]

It would make sense for Russia to disable the pipelines in an attempt to use the Winter cold to break the backs of European NATO members' support of Ukraine.

Russia doesn't need to win.  It just needs to keep Ukraine from winning.  If Western European nations endure enough economic, political, and social calamity, it may impeded their ability to provide support to Ukraine.

Russia would leverage the domestic turmoil of NATO members to divert NATO resources away from supporting Ukraine.

It may not buy victory, but it will buy more time for Putin to use espionage and sabotage to regain the strategic initiative,

The explosions will hurt NATO nations domestically, politically, economically, and socially more than it will hurt Russia.

Russia's energy self-sufficiency is one of the few advantages it has over NATO members.

European NATO members energy vulnerability is Russia's advantage.

... the return of 1970s-style Petro-Politics.

[massadvj]

It seems equally compelling cases can be made that the USA did it, or that the Russians did it.  But if it is not clear who really benefits from the pipeline being taken out, then why take it out at all?

I would feel better about things if our government issued a flat out denial instead of bleep-footing around the issue the way they are. 

[dfwgator]

Turkey totally controls who/what has access to the Black Sea from the Mediterranean Sea. It would be mighty difficult to slip a sub in there undetected.

Brits and the ANZACS found that out the hard way in 1915.