Ted Cruz plots a 2024 bid even as he waits on Trump

[EdinVA]

I would too, and have, right here on this board.
He ain't Jesus.

 @roamer_1  The thing is Cruz has never done anything but talk so he has no real record to criticize.  He has never even been a committee chair or run a business.
Trump has made probably millions of decisions and taken millions of actions both in the private sector and as President so his record is extensive and provides many many avenues for criticism.
Comparing Cruz to Trump is apples to oranges... pointless.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1  The thing is Cruz has never done anything but talk so he has no real record to criticize.  He has never even been a committee chair or run a business.
Trump has made probably millions of decisions and taken millions of actions both in the private sector and as President so his record is extensive and provides many many avenues for criticism.
Comparing Cruz to Trump is apples to oranges... pointless.

That's not right. Cruz's record is plain as day, all the way back to high school, with many successes. I don't think you've actually looked @EdinVA .

Sure he's never run a business. So what? I know plenty that SUCK at running a business (Tumpy included, his success notwithstanding). In fact, the shysters are usually the most successful because they do not worry for their people nor their product... I can't tell you how many times a contractor has this left town with a bag full of cash and owing millions to local vendors. Only to start up somewhere else and do the same thing again.

[libertybele]

The states ain't the half of it. Go back and look at interstates, interstate port of call, ports and borders. Only things that were considered important were allowed. Even at that, allowing liberal factories to be shut off, along with shutting off China was a horrible destruction.

To start, he knocked the chocks out and fired her up - That first instinct was the right thing to do - And I was all for it.

So what? Go back to what came before? That IS settling. And we will be right here again, guaranteed.

Then get out of the city - You can't have both city and liberty - They are at odds to each other.

The bare fact remains that any government that is eating up 3/4ths or more of the nation's GNP is destruction... Is poverty. You just don't know it yet. Shoot, even GOD only takes a 10% rake.

Like I said, y'all have to wake up and get pissed off - They are robbing us blind, BOTH SIDES. And Tumpy just the same. To see what he brought as sufficient or even hardly good - EVEN on the good sh*t that we'd agree upon - To see that as the right direction is certainly settling and borders on insane... 20 trillion dollars. Even a tenth of that is WAY too much.

Shutting off China was a horrible destruction?  That's where the virus originated under the guidance and research of Fauci.

We can ping pong this back and forth, but there is no denying that Joe is marching us towards socialism and that is beyond concerning.

[libertybele]

@roamer_1  The thing is Cruz has never done anything but talk so he has no real record to criticize.  He has never even been a committee chair or run a business.
Trump has made probably millions of decisions and taken millions of actions both in the private sector and as President so his record is extensive and provides many many avenues for criticism.
Comparing Cruz to Trump is apples to oranges... pointless.

???? Heller v. DC to begin with.  Cruz has a long track record. He has argued more cases before the SCOTUS than any other sitting Congressman.

He is not only a conservative but a constitutionalist. Here is his senatorial record:

https://www.cruz.senate.gov/about/legislation

You are correct, we can't compare him to someone who has already been president.

I think he'd make a great president, but frankly I think we need him more as an AG -- we desperately need that swamp drained!  One thing that Trump stated that he was going to do and it still remains, deeper than ever.

[EdinVA]

???? Heller v. DC to begin with.  Cruz has a long track record. He has argued more cases before the SCOTUS than any other sitting Congressman.

He is not only a conservative but a constitutionalist. Here is his senatorial record:

https://www.cruz.senate.gov/about/legislation

You are correct, we can't compare him to someone who has already been president.

I think he'd make a great president, but frankly I think we need him more as an AG -- we desperately need that swamp drained!  One thing that Trump stated that he was going to do and it still remains, deeper than ever.

Arguing is talking.... not doing...
He has never done anything that opens him up for criticism like negotiate a trade agreements, meet a payroll, negotiate a contract and then deliver on that agreement.  His time has been spent telling others they are wrong but not doing anything himself.
He is nothing but a lawyer... he is smart and I like his logic but that is all he has.

[libertybele]

Arguing is talking.... not doing...
He has never done anything that opens him up for criticism like negotiate a trade agreements, meet a payroll, negotiate a contract and then deliver on that agreement.  His time has been spent telling others they are wrong but not doing anything himself.
He is nothing but a lawyer... he is smart and I like his logic but that is all he has.

You are correct there is no way to compare the job of a Senator to that of the President.  The job of a Senator is to propose legislation based on the voice of his constituents.  Trump was the voice of many. So in that aspect they are similar and both had similar viewpoints on many issues.

Again, based on Cruz's conservatism and knowledge of the Constitution and knowing the ins and outs of government, I still think he would make an excellent president.  The man is brilliant and I don't see him as being a slacker as a president.  It was Cruz who kept encouraging Trump to do something about the border while he had a full majority, but for some reason his words fell on deaf ears and it wasn't until the 11th hour when the GOP was about to lose the House that Trump decided to do something -- it was obviously too late.  That has never set well with me.  Trump missed that opportunity, BIGLY.  Still, Cruz continued to back him on just about everything he did.  I believe Cruz learned a lot from Trump on the sidelines.

Just my opinion.

[sneakypete]

Oh for crying out loud @sneakypete .  No one is out to destroy your "Rude Orange Man" (your words not mine).

Cruz is gathering his war chest should Trump be unable to run and has commented several times he's not going to run against Trump.(He's also collecting $$ for his Senate race). I believe Cruz will be the first one to jump in and help campaign for him. He's stood behind Trump throughout his presidency and stuck his neck out for him on J6.

@libertybele

I believe that,too. My problem is not with Cruz,it is with the RINO's who want him to run because Trump has "bad manners".

I honestly believe at least half of these losers would rather see Biden re-elected than see Trump win,and won't vote for him out of spite.

[roamer_1]

Shutting off China was a horrible destruction?  That's where the virus originated under the guidance and research of Fauci.

Of course it was destruction. Most of our production buys piecemeal from China, even if they mostly assemble here - Even if they manufacture here. Not to mention many that manufacture there and ship it here. Those hundreds and hundreds of container ships stacked up out off the west coast was a death rattle for many businesses. Even if they could keep going, they couldn't get the parts.

And the quarantine was bullcrap. Those sailors spent far more than 10 days crossing the pond - If they were infected when they left, they weren't by the time the got here.

I am all for taking business away from China. But you don't do that in a day or a month - not even over a year, or you are cutting off your nose to spite your face - As covid quarantines readily proved.

[sneakypete]

Not that it needs to be justified, @sneakypete , but I would love to have silenced weapons. Love it!

You act like the only thing they're good for is killing people - Well anything that's good for killing people is just as good for killing other things.

Have you ever hunted coyotes? They show up in a gang, and the minute they hear the rifle go off, they scatter - You get ONE burst, and about three seconds to get however many you are going to get, which is as many as you can. Try that with a bolt action, you'll be lucky to get one or two. Semi-auto might double that.

What would be optimal would be a lightweight semi-auto with a scope and a suppressor capable of operating at 75 to 125 yards. Heck, you might even be able to call in multiple gangs without relocating.

Now, I know a suppressor is limited to subsonic ammo - so you cannot suppress a magnum round - which makes long range ammo that will take an elk or some such down unlikely... But don't act like they wouldn't be handy, because they sure as hell would.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. What is so hard to understand about that? That has been the battle cry for R2KBA. Anyone who does ANYTHING to infringe upon 2A is rightfully excoriated every time... Except your sainted orange prince. The hypocrisy is astounding! Anyone else would be slaughtered by the right, and you know it.

@roamer_1

Nothing,but a silencer is NOT a weapon. It is an ACCESSORY. What is hard to understand about THAT?

Never hunted coyotes,but I suspect they have hearing so good that if they are in range,they will be able to hear a silenced weapon fire,and there is no doubt whatsoever about them seeing a member of their pack hit,and being able to figure out what is going on.

[libertybele]

@libertybele

I believe that,too. My problem is not with Cruz,it is with the RINO's who want him to run because Trump has "bad manners".

I honestly believe at least half of these losers would rather see Biden re-elected than see Trump win,and won't vote for him out of spite.

That is where I believe you are wrong @sneakypete   Cruz isn't going to run because RINO's want him to. He's smarter than that and he doesn't play that game. He is one of the few people who has called out McConnell on the Senate floor for lying to him.  He flat out called him a liar.  Cruz will run if the thinks he has a clear path to victory; otherwise he's not going to waste his time nor the money of his base. 

Again, Cruz has stated that he's not going to run if Trump announces his candidacy. Cruz isn't going to  reignite that Never Trumpers and Never Cruzers war again.  That accomplishes nothing and takes away from Trump's chance of winning.  He's been very supportive of Trump and has stood up for him. 

Cruz's interest is to do what's best for country, period.

[sneakypete]

Yeah, personally the difference between most Cruz supporters and Trump supporters is when Cruz screws up (and he does on occasion) we give him heck.... Trump supporters for the most part just make excuses (liked their pride is mixed in the very balance). Most of us here understand that people are flawed, it is like picking diamonds, the less flawed are more valued by most.

Last night I was reading the Bible (Samuel) and realized how Israel was better off just trusting God instead of having a King (like other countries did). Why? Because human nature being prone to sin in some form or fashion. Our Checks and Balances help of course, but it is what it is and when elected people from far left areas rot our system we are on a razor's edge of falling... and most here see it written in the cards. It has turned me somewhat bitter, knowing that as a country, a good hard fall may be what we need (and dread it knowing it hurts and many will die). The cycle of Israel was a rough one, time and time again.

@LMAO
A FUDD as I understand it basically came from the cartoon Elmer Fudd... It was a person that really cared less about the Second Amendment as long as their guns in their possession were not affected... Pass whatever gun laws you want, as long as their collection was unaffected. Perhaps they hunted on occasion, but mostly they were just content to keep their trophies for display.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fudd

Do I really think @sneakypete is a FUDD... No... but when he defends Trump at times he sure sways that way. He even recently suggested I had never shot a gun in defense of his "precious". QUOTE: "I am beginning to suspect you have never even shot a gun..." /End Quote

He attacks without thinking... Example: When I suggested I would like to have a silencer... He sarcastically asks "Why?" Ignoring that I completely answered that very question in my post... My answer was Home defense situations to reduce noise in the house (thus reducing the need for ear protection that takes time to admister)... To make shooting at the range more enjoyable (I live a freaking few blocks from the police gun range btw, though it is only open to the public on Saturdays). I also suggested that it made it possible to shoot at wild animals without scattering the group more likely, thus maybe getting several shots off (we have wild swine problems here).

Sneaky then says Quote: Yeah,other RINO's who have suddenly discovered their love of something they  have never seen or ever used."... /End Quote .... So if you like freedom, you are a Rino... Only he (who he points out has been in combat and shot at others) can decide. Thank you for your service Sneakypete, but having common sense is independent of whether one served or not. Cindy Sheehan went on her anti-war campaigns with a crazy vet by her side, not all vets are worthy of being considered right on everything. I don't have to serve 14 tours to know the value of second amendment. I don't have to be a woman to know a baby is separate life. It is a fallacy that you have to be XX to know YY. It may help in some situations, but most of us know right from wrong anyways through rightful careful deduction (including hearing what people like Pete have to say).

Again, I would stomp on Cruz if he did what Trump did (different subjects)... and rightfully so... Pete has stomped on 2nd Freedoms to defend (save face?) someone you hold above the 2nd Amendment... I agree that bump stocks are probable junk trinkets, but I don't stomp on other's rights to own them... I highly disagree with Sneaky on the value of silencers (that I have only shot one/once at a gun range when a nice stranger let me shoot his on his 22). I would like to have one if the red tape was lifted.

@Sighlass

Get over your simple self. All theory,and no actual knowledge.



 

[sneakypete]

That is where I believe you are wrong @sneakypete   Cruz isn't going to run because RINO's want him to. He's smarter than that and he doesn't play that game. He is one of the few people who has called out McConnell on the Senate floor for lying to him.  He flat out called him a liar.  Cruz will run if the thinks he has a clear path to victory; otherwise he's not going to waste his time nor the money of his base. 

 

@libertybele

I disagree. He's not going to run for the White House because for some reason he doesn't want to be President. I don't know the reason and it doesn't matter if I know it or not. The only thing that matters is he doesn't want to run for the White House.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Nothing,but a silencer is NOT a weapon. It is an ACCESSORY. What is hard to understand about THAT?

So is a scope @sneakypete . Care to make them illegal too?

Never hunted coyotes,but I suspect they have hearing so good that if they are in range,they will be able to hear a silenced weapon fire,and there is no doubt whatsoever about them seeing a member of their pack hit,and being able to figure out what is going on.

You might be right, but I think not. Not that I can prove it without incriminating myself.

[libertybele]

Of course it was destruction. Most of our production buys piecemeal from China, even if they mostly assemble here - Even if they manufacture here. Not to mention many that manufacture there and ship it here. Those hundreds and hundreds of container ships stacked up out off the west coast was a death rattle for many businesses. Even if they could keep going, they couldn't get the parts.

And the quarantine was bullcrap. Those sailors spent far more than 10 days crossing the pond - If they were infected when they left, they weren't by the time the got here.

I am all for taking business away from China. But you don't do that in a day or a month - not even over a year, or you are cutting off your nose to spite your face - As covid quarantines readily proved.

A lot of what you are talking about has happened under Joe, not Trump.  If you recall, Trump had negotiations in place with China and when Joe took the helm, he reversed those negotiations.  Joe is up to his eyeballs in corruption with China. 

Trump sought FAIR trade, not FREE trade.  Joe is back to giving them FREE trade. Joe continued with the scare tactics, he demanded vaccine mandates in the military, schools, workplaces, mask mandates, etc., thank goodness some of the governors refused to comply.  Joe did everything he could to prolong the shutdowns and the mandates by continuing to feed the public the bogus information from the WHO, CDC and Fauci. How many variants did Joe & Company come up with?? Joe also gave families $$$ /tax incentives when he first took office. I believe it was $300 a child for months. Not to mention forgiving student debt ..... but that's a more current situation. 

[roamer_1]

A lot of what you are talking about has happened under Joe, not Trump.  If you recall, Trump had negotiations in place with China and when Joe took the helm, he reversed those negotiations.  Joe is up to his eyeballs in corruption with China. 

Trump sought FAIR trade, not FREE trade.  Joe is back to giving them FREE trade. Joe continued with the scare tactics, he demanded vaccine mandates in the military, schools, workplaces, mask mandates, etc., thank goodness some of the governors refused to comply.  Joe did everything he could to prolong the shutdowns and the mandates by continuing to feed the public the bogus information from the WHO, CDC and Fauci. How many variants did Joe & Company come up with?? Joe also gave families $$$ /tax incentives when he first took office. I believe it was $300 a child for months. Not to mention forgiving student debt ..... but that's a more current situation.

No, those ports were shut off as part of the initial quarantine and stayed shut off - Hell they might still be shut off.

I will admit that part of that is the lockdowns in liberal west coast states, but it ain't all their fault. Ports are federal jurisdiction as are interstate highways.

[libertybele]

@libertybele

I disagree. He's not going to run for the White House because for some reason he doesn't want to be President. I don't know the reason and it doesn't matter if I know it or not. The only thing that matters is he doesn't want to run for the White House.

If Cruz decides to run for President, he wants the White House. He'll make that decision should Trump decide not to run.

[DCPatriot]

OMG, What saccharine crap! 

Don't you have an outhouse to repair?  ... an engine to rebuild??  ...a defenseless deer to skin???     

[Sighlass]

@Sighlass

Get over your simple self. All theory,and no actual knowledge.

Trying to remember where you said you shot a bump stock before trashing it?

Earlier you said....
 

I understand the "preserve freedom" thing,but I will never understand why anyone who knows anything about shooting would even want a bump stock weapon.

I honestly have a hard time thinking of a firearms modification or accessory more useless.

Bold above is my doing... @sneakypete

I have never shot a bump-stock, yet your own bar is you can't say unless you have actually used something... Have you used a bump stock to judge with hands on experience? I admit just watching videos on them, I surmise (discretion) that I would not like them. How about you, have you personally shot a bump-stock? Or did you hypocritically just use the God-given sense to deduce it would have you shooting a spray and pray method like full autos (which I guess you have shot). Hard to see, but think you said your avatar is such a weapon, but memory fails me. 

I have a red dot scope coming (should arrive Tuesday)... I have never once used one before... but I want to try it. My money, guess I can find out if it was a waste of $$ or not. Freedom and shall not be infringed wrapped up in one (and possibly "a fool and his money are soon parted").

P.S. Me @ the gun range (old picture, but was thrilled I had it for this debate)... that you said never occurred... why? because you have no other way to debate I guess. Wife is the queen of iron sights by the way... crack shot (better than me).

[roamer_1]

Don't you have an outhouse to repair?  ... an engine to rebuild??  ...a defenseless deer to skin???     

Nope. So all I get between now and hunting season is to sit around and listen to you gush as you throw your panties on the stage.

For crying out loud.

[LMAO]

Yeah, personally the difference between most Cruz supporters and Trump supporters is when Cruz screws up (and he does on occasion) we give him heck.... Trump supporters for the most part just make excuses (liked their pride is mixed in the very balance). Most of us here understand that people are flawed, it is like picking diamonds, the less flawed are more valued by most.

Last night I was reading the Bible (Samuel) and realized how Israel was better off just trusting God instead of having a King (like other countries did). Why? Because human nature being prone to sin in some form or fashion. Our Checks and Balances help of course, but it is what it is and when elected people from far left areas rot our system we are on a razor's edge of falling... and most here see it written in the cards. It has turned me somewhat bitter, knowing that as a country, a good hard fall may be what we need (and dread it knowing it hurts and many will die). The cycle of Israel was a rough one, time and time again.

@LMAO
A FUDD as I understand it basically came from the cartoon Elmer Fudd... It was a person that really cared less about the Second Amendment as long as their guns in their possession were not affected... Pass whatever gun laws you want, as long as their collection was unaffected. Perhaps they hunted on occasion, but mostly they were just content to keep their trophies for display.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fudd

Do I really think @sneakypete is a FUDD... No... but when he defends Trump at times he sure sways that way. He even recently suggested I had never shot a gun in defense of his "precious". QUOTE: "I am beginning to suspect you have never even shot a gun..." /End Quote

He attacks without thinking... Example: When I suggested I would like to have a silencer... He sarcastically asks "Why?" Ignoring that I completely answered that very question in my post... My answer was Home defense situations to reduce noise in the house (thus reducing the need for ear protection that takes time to admister)... To make shooting at the range more enjoyable (I live a freaking few blocks from the police gun range btw, though it is only open to the public on Saturdays). I also suggested that it made it possible to shoot at wild animals without scattering the group more likely, thus maybe getting several shots off (we have wild swine problems here).

Sneaky then says Quote: Yeah,other RINO's who have suddenly discovered their love of something they  have never seen or ever used."... /End Quote .... So if you like freedom, you are a Rino... Only he (who he points out has been in combat and shot at others) can decide. Thank you for your service Sneakypete, but having common sense is independent of whether one served or not. Cindy Sheehan went on her anti-war campaigns with a crazy vet by her side, not all vets are worthy of being considered right on everything. I don't have to serve 14 tours to know the value of second amendment. I don't have to be a woman to know a baby is separate life. It is a fallacy that you have to be XX to know YY. It may help in some situations, but most of us know right from wrong anyways through rightful careful deduction (including hearing what people like Pete have to say).

Again, I would stomp on Cruz if he did what Trump did (different subjects)... and rightfully so... Pete has stomped on 2nd Freedoms to defend (save face?) someone you hold above the 2nd Amendment... I agree that bump stocks are probable junk trinkets, but I don't stomp on other's rights to own them... I highly disagree with Sneaky on the value of silencers (that I have only shot one/once at a gun range when a nice stranger let me shoot his on his 22). I would like to have one if the red tape was lifted.

It's why one should be skeptical of anyone who wields power,and not have an emotional bond, regardless whether you vote for them or not.

[roamer_1]

I have never shot a bump-stock

I have. It's a marvel that you ain't. it's the kinda goofy stuff you do when you're a teenager.

The problem with outlawing bump stocks is that it is an overly broad and impossible category... I guarantee you have the fixins to make a bump stock if you own a semi-automatic weapon of about any kind. Shoot - We made em with rubber bands and popsicle sticks.

So you better sure as hell have no rubber bands or popsicle sticks laying around when the gestapo comes around to search your home, or they'll take all your guns, slap you with a felony, and ship you off to prison for owning contraband.

To outlaw such a thing is pure idiocy.

[roamer_1]

It's why one should be skeptical of anyone who wields power,and not have an emotional bond, regardless whether you vote for them or not.

Government of any kind, and those who operate it can never be trusted in the least. EVER.

[sneakypete]

Trying to remember where you said you shot a bump stock before trashing it?


@Sighlass

Never shot one and ever even held one. I have zero interest in crap like that. I freely admit to being biased towards putting multiple bullets in the same hole at 100 yards.


Earlier you said....
 
Bold above is my doing... @sneakypete

I have never shot a bump-stock, yet your own bar is you can't say unless you have actually used something... Have you used a bump stock to judge with hands on experience? I admit just watching videos on them, I surmise (discretion) that I would not like them. How about you, have you personally shot a bump-stock? Or did you hypocritically just use the God-given sense to deduce it would have you shooting a spray and pray method like full autos (which I guess you have shot). Hard to see, but think you said your avatar is such a weapon, but memory fails me. 

Never shot one,never wanted to shoot one. And anybody that DOESN'T think they are a cheap method of shooting full-auto knows nothing about shooting or guns.

And the weapon in my avatar is a 45ACP sub-machine gun that has a very slow rate of fire for a machine gun.

I have a red dot scope coming (should arrive Tuesday)... I have never once used one before... but I want to try it. My money, guess I can find out if it was a waste of $$ or not. Freedom and shall not be infringed wrapped up in one (and possibly "a fool and his money are soon parted").

Red dot scopes are related to bump-stock rifles like roller skates are related to Indianapolis race cars. Both have wheels,and that's about it.

Red dot scopes are VERY useful on a frequent basis. Indy race cars,not so much.

But really,you just want to have something to argue about,so none of this really matters to you.

[libertybele]

Government of any kind, and those who operate it can never be trusted in the least. EVER.