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« Reply #1050 on: November 11, 2022, 12:41:48 pm »
Russia Starts Bugging Out

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=53264

Lets look at the news that Russia has announced a complete withdrawal from Kherson oblast north/west of the Dnipro River.

First up: A big picture overview from Peter Zeihan, that I have some minor to moderate quibbles with.

Takeaways:

•  Russia has announced withdrawing from the Kherson pocket, which is their only territory west of the Dnipro River.

•  “Reports at this point indicate that the Russians are withdrawing at full speed from all positions.”

•  Not a rout…yet.

•  “Based on whose statistics you’re looking at, they’re somewhere between 20,000 and 40,000 Russian forces in the area, but it’s generally accepted on both sides these are the best troops that the Russians have, with the best training and the best equipment.”

•  Those Russians haven’t been properly supplied for a month due to the Kerch Strait Bridge attack. “Which is the only heavy rail connection that can handle freight transport from Russia proper to the southern front.”

•  “Everything now has to come in by truck and the Russians have lost the vast majority of their tactical truck support fleet for the military and are now using civilian vehicles, making them very vulnerable.”

•  “Not enough shells and not enough fuel have been getting to the Kherson front.”

•  One result: For the last two weeks, Ukrainian artillery has received zero counter-battery fire. “So the Ukrainians have just been able to plug away with whatever ammo they have.”

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbl1v_4vqbA

Next up: Suchomimus offers a detailed map update. Zeihan is a geopolitical generalist jack of all trades, but detailed video and geolocation analysis is all Suchomimus does.

Takeaways:

•  Russia has blown up most (probably all) of the bridges over the Inhulets River.

•  Russia has several ferries to run troops and equipment over the Dnipro, along with rallying point to stage units for withdrawal. Some of the staging areas have been hit by Ukrainian artillery, but satellite photos show Russian forces spread out in those areas to minimize damage.

•  No evidence of heavy vehicles using those ferries yet. “It’s unknown if these ferries and barges can actually support anything heavier or not, and if they can, it’s likely they can only carry one at a time.”

•  There are two ferry loading points in Kherson city itself.

•  There are also Russian Raptor class patrol boats operating in the Dnipro, which makes sense.

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« Reply #1051 on: November 11, 2022, 01:01:54 pm »
Putin 'tried and failed' to test 'doomsday' Poseidon nuclear-powered torpedo in recent weeks and submarine is returning to base from Arctic, says senior US intelligence source

By HARRIET ALEXANDER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
10 November 2022

Russia has tried and failed to test its pioneering 'doomsday' torpedo, American intelligence sources believe, in a possible sign that the sanctions against Moscow are beginning to bite.

The fearsome nuclear-powered torpedo, named Poseidon, is launched from the Belgorod - the world's largest submarine, which only went into service this summer.

Belgorod was unveiled with great fanfare in 2019, and the Poseidon torpedo - first announced in 2015 - seen as the crown jewels of the submarine.

Russia boasted at the time that Poseidon would be capable of destroying entire cities by triggering a tsunami.

But on Thursday, U.S. sources told CNN they had observed the Belgorod preparing for a test - then leaving the testing area in the Arctic Sea, and returning to port without carrying out the trial.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11415165/Putin-tried-failed-test-doomsday-Poseidon-nuclear-powered-torpedo-recent-weeks.html

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« Reply #1052 on: November 11, 2022, 01:04:36 pm »
The flag of freedom flies over Kherson: Ukrainians gather to raise their national banner in town square as final Russians flee across the river amid barrage of missile fire

By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
11 November 2022

The Ukrainian flag is once again flying over the city of Kherson today as Kyiv's troops moved into the city after Russia's last troops retreated in the early hours, blowing up the main bridge out of the city as they left.

Images showed yellow and blue banners being raised outside the Kherson civil administration building as crowds gathered to welcome Kyiv's men who were pictured moving into the outskirts - welcomed by jubilant locals. Troops advancing through surrounding towns said people burst into tears when they saw them.

By 1pm local time most of the city was under Kyiv's control - Ukrainian officials said - but urged civilians to stay inside their homes while they root out any last Russian stragglers who got left behind.

Ukraine's artillery had pounded the city and the nearby Dnipro River overnight and into the early hours in the hopes of destroying any last Russians trying to flee. Rumours swirled that thousands of troops might be trapped in the city, but as they day wore on those hopes seemed to be ill-founded.

Fears that Russia could be laying some kind of trap also failed to materialise, perhaps suggesting a disinformation campaign to delay the Ukrainian advance long enough for Moscow's men to get out.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11416201/Russia-facing-huge-losses-Kherson-20-000-troops-surrounded-expert-says.html

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« Reply #1053 on: November 11, 2022, 01:42:31 pm »
Kremlin insists Kherson still part of Russia despite troop withdrawal

Friday 11 November 2022  |  13:36, UK


A Ukrainian flag has been raised in the city of Kherson after Russia completed its retreat of troops from the west bank of the river dividing the region of the same name.

In a statement carried by Russia's state news agencies, the defence ministry said the withdrawal was finished at 5am on Friday and that no military equipment was left on the western bank.

Areas the Russian military withdrew from include the city of Kherson, the only regional capital Moscow seized during its eight-month war in Ukraine.

A member of the Kherson regional council said residents are being asked to stay at home while searches for any remaining Russian soldiers are carried out.

They also said many Russian troops drowned while trying to leave Kherson.

After the Russian retreat, a picture posted on social media appeared to show a Ukrainian flag being raised in the centre of the city by residents.

Sky's Alex Rossi, reporting from Kherson region, said: "One woman told me that she has been pretty much living in her basement since the Russians took control of the area - many, many months, effectively living underground, living in fear.

"And she was absolutely delighted to see the Ukrainian soldiers that we were with."  .  .



https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-kremlin-insists-kherson-still-part-of-russia-despite-troop-withdrawal-12744439



It's pretty clear that the residents of Kherson consider themselves part of Ukraine, not part of Russia.
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« Reply #1055 on: November 11, 2022, 07:39:42 pm »
Putin 'has been offered surrender terms by the West' as he loses control of Kherson - and 'his cronies have reacted positively because it allows them to stay in power and avoid criminal charges'

By WILL STEWART and CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
11 November 2022

Vladimir Putin has been offered surrender terms by the West, a respected Russian policy expert revealed today, as Moscow's troops were forced to withdraw from the city of Kherson in yet another humiliating defeat.

Professor Valery Solovey, formerly at Moscow's prestigious Institute of International Relations and who claims to have connections in the Kremlin, said the surrender would see Russia give up all territory in Ukraine with the exception of Crimea, which would become a demilitarised zone and its status would not be discussed again until 2029.

In return, Putin and his cronies would avoid criminal charges over the war and be allowed to remain in power, Professor Solovey claimed.

He said the proposal had been discussed between Kyiv and its Western allies before being presented to Putin's inner circle - who had reacted positively to the idea.

Russia has been calling for a return to the negotiating table in recent days while there have been suggestions that Washington is quietly leaning on Kyiv to do the same.

General Mark Milley, head of the US general staff, said this week that a winter lull in fighting presents an 'opportunity' for talks.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11417563/Putin-offered-surrender-terms-West-loses-control-Kherson.html

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« Reply #1056 on: November 11, 2022, 08:00:42 pm »
The videos coming out of Kherson are amazing and bring tears to my eyes!!!

Reminds me of those WWII newsreels of allied troops liberating French, Dutch, and Italian cities.
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« Reply #1057 on: November 11, 2022, 08:14:17 pm »
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 10

Karolina Hird, Kateryna Stepanenko, Riley Bailey, Katherine Lawlor, and Mason Clark  |  17 hrs ago


. . . Ukrainian Air Force Command spokesperson Yuriy Ignat stated that Russian forces will likely further reduce the pace of their campaign to strike Ukrainian critical infrastructure, likely enabling Ukrainian authorities to address most of the damage to infrastructure. Ignat announced on November 10 that on the night of November 9 to 10 Russian forces did not conduct any air or cruise missile strikes on Ukrainian critical infrastructure facilities.[12] Ignat stated that Russian forces have begun to stockpile high-precision weapons systems to launch a future massive campaign reminiscent of the October 10 strikes, because small numbers of daily cruise missile and drone strikes are now generating few results.[13] Ignat stated Russian forces spent months accumulating the high-precision weapons systems they used in the October campaign against Ukrainian critical infrastructure.[14] ISW has previously assessed that Russian forces have greatly depleted their arsenal of high-precision weapons systems and have suffered significant aviation losses and therefore would struggle to maintain the pace of their campaign against Ukrainian infrastructure.[15] It will likely take Russian forces months to accumulate the number of high-precision weapons systems needed to return to the pace of strikes it conducted in mid-October despite Ignat’s reporting that Russian factories are drastically increasing the manufacturing of cruise missiles.[16] Ukrainian officials have previously stated that they could restore energy supplies to communities in Ukraine within a matter of a few weeks if the pace of the Russian campaign dramatically slowed.[17] ISW also assessed that Russian President Vladimir Putin may have ordered the campaign against Ukrainian critical infrastructure to curry favor with the Russian pro-war nationalist camp that has been consistently demanding escalation in Ukraine.[18] A reduced pace in the campaign will likely contribute to renewed criticisms from the pro-war nationalist camp. Russian forces likely retain the capability to damage Ukrainian critical infrastructure and impose costs on Ukrainian civilians in the winter but are unlikely to be able to inflict decisive — and lasting — damage. . . .

https://www.criticalthreats.org/analysis/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-10



Basically, Russia is running woefully short of cruise missiles.  There hasn't been a cruise missile attack in over a week.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #1059 on: November 11, 2022, 09:36:32 pm »
The videos coming out of Kherson are amazing and bring tears to my eyes!!!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1591066758592761857

https://twitter.com/i/status/1591046432349642753

https://twitter.com/i/status/1591134263071870979

https://twitter.com/i/status/1591062567623217153

https://twitter.com/i/status/1591046432349642753

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Those videos expose the repeated lies that these cities were "liberated" by the Russians when this all started.

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« Reply #1060 on: November 11, 2022, 09:40:01 pm »
Those videos expose the repeated lies that these cities were "liberated" by the Russians when this all started.

Yep.  That whole 'Russians are "liberators and protectors"' claim by one poster here has been complete bullshit from Day One.  You would think that after atrocity after atrocity committed against the Ukrainian people that the poster would acknowledge it.
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« Reply #1061 on: November 11, 2022, 09:50:24 pm »
Kherson residents told to stay at home while search for remaining Russian troops takes place

10h ago  |  06:32


A member of Kherson regional council has been giving an update on the situation there.

They said city residents were being encouraged to stay at home while searches for any remaining Russian soldiers were carried out.

They also said many Russian troops drowned while trying to leave Kherson.

They added that the city was almost under the control of the Ukrainian armed forces.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-putin-kherson-retreat-war-live-12541713?postid=4850682#liveblog-body



I wonder how many?
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« Reply #1062 on: November 11, 2022, 10:02:48 pm »
Scenes of Celebration in Kyiv

58m ago  |  16:00


Earlier we shared images of Kyiv residents taking to the streets to celebrate Kherson city being liberated from Russian control.

It appears the celebrations are continuing, with more people in Ukraine's capital heading out wearing Ukrainian flags and the blue and yellow colours of their country.











https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-putin-kherson-retreat-war-live-12541713?postid=4854310#liveblog-body
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« Reply #1063 on: November 12, 2022, 12:01:45 am »
Ukrainian special forces may already be at the Dnieper River, and if the UAF can across in sufficient numbers before the Russians can dig in any further, they might be able to unhinge the Russians' entire southern defense line and continue the rout.

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« Reply #1064 on: November 12, 2022, 12:03:07 am »
Meanwhile in Melitopol...

Russia-Installed Official In Ukraine's Melitopol Survives Apparent Assassination Attempt

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-melitopol-russian-official-assassination-attempt/32125742.html
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« Reply #1065 on: November 12, 2022, 01:59:38 pm »
Russia claims Henichesk as new "capital of Kherson Oblast"

https://finance.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-claims-henichesk-capital-kherson-074011946.html

Following the withdrawal of Russian forces from the city of Kherson [the official administrative centre, or capital, of Kherson Oblast - ed.], Russia has claimed that the city of Henichesk is the new "capital" of Kherson Oblast.

Source: TASS, a Kremlin-aligned Russian media outlet

Details: A representative of the Russian occupation administration in Kherson Oblast said that Henichesk has been chosen as the new "capital" of Kherson Oblast and main "government agencies" have been relocated to the city.
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« Reply #1066 on: November 12, 2022, 02:02:12 pm »
Ukraine Signals It Will Stay on the Offensive, Despite Talk of a Lull

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/12/world/europe/ukraine-war-strategy-russia.html

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As jubilant Ukrainian troops hoist their national flag over Kherson after a comprehensive Russian retreat, they give no sign of stopping their offensives for the winter, or allowing the war to settle into a stalemate.

In the east, Ukrainian forces continue to grind forward and have repelled repeated Russian efforts to seize towns like Bakhmut and Pavlivka, reportedly killing hundreds of Russian soldiers. In the south, they are striking deep behind Russian lines, hitting Moscow’s troops before they can settle and build defenses on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River, across from Kherson.

And there are growing hints from troops on the ground, and volunteers close to them, that the Ukrainians are preparing for a new land offensive between those two fronts, south through the Zaporizhzhia region toward Melitopol, challenging Russia’s hold on the entire southern area that it seized in the invasion that began in February.

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« Reply #1067 on: November 12, 2022, 03:32:58 pm »
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« Reply #1068 on: November 12, 2022, 04:01:59 pm »

https://twitter.com/UKR_Report/status/1591269291235872768

This is why the democrats never lack for campaign cash!  Thousands of pipelines like this into the public treasury!
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« Reply #1069 on: November 12, 2022, 04:10:38 pm »


This is why the democrats never lack for campaign cash!  Thousands of pipelines like this into the public treasury!

DNCC is one massive money laundering operation. Who needs election laws when you can operate like the Sopranos.
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« Reply #1070 on: November 12, 2022, 04:11:00 pm »
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This is why the democrats never lack for campaign cash!  Thousands of pipelines like this into the public treasury!

Maybe Congress should have sent weapons instead as Ukraine requested.
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« Reply #1071 on: November 12, 2022, 04:11:59 pm »
DNCC is one massive money laundering operation. Who needs election laws when you can operate like the Sopranos.

And the Republicans allow it.  Again and again, they allow it.  It's reason #472 why they are known as the Stupid Party.
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« Reply #1072 on: November 12, 2022, 06:38:25 pm »


The number that should just scream give up and withdraw is 80,000+ killed.
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« Reply #1073 on: November 12, 2022, 06:41:01 pm »

https://twitter.com/UKR_Report/status/1591269291235872768

This is why the democrats never lack for campaign cash!  Thousands of pipelines like this into the public treasury!

If the House majority ends up being the Pubs they really need to investigate what's going on. No matter what we should cut off all money and only send weapons.
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« Reply #1074 on: November 12, 2022, 06:41:52 pm »
And the Republicans we allow it.  Again and again, they allow it.  It's reason #472 why they are known as the Stupid Party.

Fixed it!
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