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Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« on: May 15, 2022, 04:29:21 pm »
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2022, 06:34:17 pm »
Hey!

Pooty-Poot!

How's that invasion of Ukraine working out for ya?
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2022, 10:30:25 pm »
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Sweden: Population 10.5 million. $7 billion in annual defense spending.

Finland: Population 5.5 million. $4 billion in annual defense spending.

This isn't an alliance. It's a protectorate obligation.

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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2022, 10:32:56 pm »
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NATO allows tiny countries like Estonia to pound their chests at Russia, knowing US is obligated to defend them. NATO is a needless, antagonistic outfit that serves to protect the interests of our ruling "elite," and it needs to be rolled back, not expanded.

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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2022, 11:50:29 pm »
British Intelligence confirms that Putin is terminally ill from a Cancer in his Blood Flow!!!
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2022, 12:52:10 am »
Quote from: Absalom on May 15, 2022, 11:50:29 pm
British Intelligence confirms that Putin is terminally ill from a Cancer in his Blood Flow!!!

The British confirm the rumor ..... not fact.
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2022, 03:45:03 am »
What are Brussels and Davos going to do with no resistance or competition in Europe?

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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2022, 03:49:58 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on May 16, 2022, 03:45:03 am
What are Brussels and Davos going to do with no resistance or competition in Europe?

What is Russia going to do now that the entire world knows what monsters they are?
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2022, 04:10:07 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on May 16, 2022, 03:45:03 am
What are Brussels and Davos going to do with no resistance or competition in Europe?





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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2022, 05:17:25 pm »
Putin sees no threat from NATO expansion, warns against military build-up
Reuters, May 16, 2022

LONDON, May 16 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Monday that there was no threat to Russia if Sweden and Finland joined NATO but cautioned that Moscow would respond if the U.S.-led alliance bolstered military infrastructure in the new Nordic members.

"As to enlargement, Russia has no problem with these states - none. And so in this sense there is no immediate threat to Russia from an expansion (of NATO) to include these countries," Putin told the leaders of a Russian-dominated military alliance of former Soviet states.

Putin, though, laced his newly found tranquillity on NATO with a warning.

"But the expansion of military infrastructure into this territory would certainly provoke our response," Putin said.

"What that (response) will be - we will see what threats are created for us," Putin told the leaders of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), which includes Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-calls-finland-sweden-joining-nato-mistake-with-far-reaching-consequences-2022-05-16/
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2022, 10:32:22 am »
Turkey says they will not support their effort to join NATO!
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2022, 02:47:09 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on May 16, 2022, 05:17:25 pm
Putin sees no threat from NATO expansion, warns against military build-up
Reuters, May 16, 2022

LONDON, May 16 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Monday that there was no threat to Russia if Sweden and Finland joined NATO but cautioned that Moscow would respond if the U.S.-led alliance bolstered military infrastructure in the new Nordic members.

In other words, Putin's announced reason for invading Ukraine was complete bullshit.
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2022, 02:47:53 pm »
Quote from: ironhorsedriver on May 17, 2022, 10:32:22 am
Turkey says they will not support their effort to join NATO! . . .

.  .  .  without a payoff.
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2022, 02:49:49 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on May 16, 2022, 04:10:07 am


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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2022, 04:44:57 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on May 17, 2022, 02:47:53 pm
.  .  .  without a payoff.
So expel Turkey
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2022, 04:56:17 pm »
Turkey hasn't done us any favors over the past 30 years, plus they are drifting more towards Russian influence.  The Greeks won't object.
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2022, 02:23:52 pm »
Seriously can anyone give me a rational explanation on why Turkey is in NATO in the first place.
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2022, 03:46:46 pm »
Quote from: verga on May 18, 2022, 02:23:52 pm
Seriously can anyone give me a rational explanation on why Turkey is in NATO in the first place.

To prevent a war between Turkey and Greece.  Also, it was a great location for staging nuclear missiles aimed at the Soviet Union.

Issues with Turkey began back in 1991 with the Gulf War.  We had promised Turkey $30 billion in aid in exchange for basing invasion forces from Turkish territory.  After Kuwait was liberated, we reneged on our promise.

In 2002, we again asked Turkey to allow us to use their territory as an invasion base.  They promptly reminded us of our broken promise a decade before.
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2022, 05:15:38 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on May 18, 2022, 03:46:46 pm
To prevent a war between Turkey and Greece.  Also, it was a great location for staging nuclear missiles aimed at the Soviet Union.

Issues with Turkey began back in 1991 with the Gulf War.  We had promised Turkey $30 billion in aid in exchange for basing invasion forces from Turkish territory.  After Kuwait was liberated, we reneged on our promise.

In 2002, we again asked Turkey to allow us to use their territory as an invasion base.  They promptly reminded us of our broken promise a decade before.
Meh, problems with Turkey started centuries ago, Erdogan has just been all about starting it all up again. An important rule Turkey neglected to follow in 1991 was stay out da Bushes, apparently they learned it a decade later. Of course our Congress has a history of not keeping promises made too.
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2022, 05:35:49 pm »
Quote from: verga on May 18, 2022, 02:23:52 pm
Seriously can anyone give me a rational explanation on why Turkey is in NATO in the first place.

I'm still waiting for one on why we're in NATO.   :laugh:
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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2022, 07:04:53 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on May 18, 2022, 05:35:49 pm
I'm still waiting for one on why we're in NATO.   :laugh:

Again, to prevent another continent-wide European war from occurring and keep the peace between its members.  It has been a success.
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2022, 07:09:26 pm »
Another benefit from Turkey's NATO membership is that it gives us naval access to the Black Sea.  Nothing gets through the Dardanelles and the Bosporus without Turkey's approval.  It is one of those geographically strategic countries (like France) that is better to have on your side.
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2022, 09:40:25 pm »
I appreciate all the history given. I didn't know this.

But, if Turkey is in control of the Black Sea and Russia is trying to take control, does that create a problem? And by extension, NATO and the US?
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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2022, 09:44:40 pm »
Turkey controls access to the Black Sea.  Even if Russia controls all of the Black Sea ports, they have to pass through the Bosporus strait (and then Suez or Gibraltar) to get to the open ocean.  Turkey gets to decide what ships get in or out.  If Turkey allies itself with Russia, they can cut off Western access to Ukrainian, Romanian, Bulgarian ports.  Right now, they are blocking Russia from reinforcing its Black Sea fleet.
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Re: Sweden joining Finland in Nato membership bid
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2022, 09:53:30 pm »
Joining this thread late, but as I have said on many other threads.....

Creation of the EU, pretty has much made NATO unnecessary.  The EU in terms of GDP, and potential is competitive with the U.S., and based on our recent economic mis-steps, actually has a better economic future.

Let them militarize, and deal with threats from the east. We have our own problems, with most of them an actual invasion of our southern border.
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