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« Reply #350 on: May 13, 2022, 02:07:46 pm »
Zelenskiy says he is ‘ready to talk to Putin’

Volodymyr Zelenskiy has reiterated an offer to hold direct talks with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, in the Ukrainian president’s fullest public comments on the prospect of peace talks in weeks.

Russia’s withdrawal from Ukraine should be a starting point for any discussions between the two leaders, Zelenskiy told Italy’s RAI 1 television, Reuters reports.

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As president, I am ready to talk to Putin, but only to him. Without any of his intermediaries. And in the framework of dialogue, not ultimatums.

Ukraine and Russia have not held face-to-face talks since 29 March. Interfax news agency has quoted Moscow’s chief negotiator, Vladimir Medinsky, as saying peace talks were being held remotely.

Zelenskiy also ruled out suggestions that Ukraine should make concessions for the sake of securing a peace agreement that would allow Putin to save face, adding that Ukraine would not compromise over its territorial integrity.

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Get out of this territory that you have occupied since February 24. This is the first clear step to talking about anything.

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« Reply #351 on: May 13, 2022, 02:09:16 pm »
Russia-Ukraine war: what we know on day 79 of the invasion

A round-up of items by the Guardian:  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/russia-ukraine-war-what-we-know-on-day-79-of-the-invasion

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« Reply #352 on: May 13, 2022, 02:15:23 pm »
I'll be surprised if Zelenskyy lives through this regardless of the outcome.

I hope he survives, but the Ukrainians have shown their success in fighting the Russians is not dependent on one man.
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« Reply #353 on: May 13, 2022, 02:17:31 pm »
The Marine brigade commander thinks very highly of Elon Musk.

He should. When everyone else was trying to figure out what to do Musk made sure Ukraine's communications were not stopped.
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« Reply #354 on: May 13, 2022, 02:19:27 pm »
I wouldn't negotiate in person ... too much risk of being poisoned by Putin.
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« Reply #355 on: May 13, 2022, 03:00:05 pm »
Well in all honesty...since the end of the USSR and the wall coming down most of Western Europe up til now hadn't given him any reason to believe they would.

True.  People I've spoken with from the Netherlands absolutely hate the USA precisely because we armed them and paid the lion's share of the NATO armament (just try to make sense of that).  I told them to build their own stuff, I don't care.
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« Reply #356 on: May 13, 2022, 03:12:47 pm »
True.  People I've spoken with from the Netherlands absolutely hate the USA precisely because we armed them and paid the lion's share of the NATO armament (just try to make sense of that).  I told them to build their own stuff, I don't care.

The Dutch are an odd group and a little arrogant at times...especially their military. When I was in Afghanistan in 2010 we were taking over for the Dutch and it was also the year they went to the World Cup championship. They had decorated the entire camp in orange and blue.

Well the Aussies we were working with didn't have much love for them either because the female dutch soldiers had been told the knuckle dragging Aussie men were going to rape them.

So that year we all cheered for Spain against the Dutch in the WC. LOL!

As far as arming them...there were European military manufacturing companies that got more than their fair share of $$$ to build licensed versions of the war materials they needed.

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« Reply #357 on: May 13, 2022, 03:15:34 pm »
True.  People I've spoken with from the Netherlands absolutely hate the USA precisely because we armed them and paid the lion's share of the NATO armament (just try to make sense of that).  I told them to build their own stuff, I don't care.

The understanding that outside of Poland and few other minor locations, that we are universally hated over there, is just more reason I have been adamant in position of staying out of that mess.  What can't this country understand that.......why hang around somewhere where you are liked, needed  or appreciated?
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« Reply #358 on: May 13, 2022, 03:21:13 pm »
Top oligarch is secretly recorded saying Putin 'has blood cancer' as experts match his limp and extreme Covid distancing to recovery from surgery

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE
13 May 2022

Vladimir Putin is 'very ill with blood cancer', a Russian oligarch has claimed according to a new report, amid on-going speculation about the strongman's health.

An audio recording of the oligarch's comments was obtained by a Western venture capitalist and shared with New Lines magazine, the publication said.

In it, the oligarch - who has close ties to the Kremlin and named only as 'Yuri' to protect his identity - claimed a number of the health problems Putin is believed to be suffering from are linked to him having blood cancer.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10813667/Top-oligarch-secretly-recorded-saying-Putin-blood-cancer.html

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« Reply #359 on: May 13, 2022, 03:25:46 pm »
Top oligarch is secretly recorded saying Putin 'has blood cancer' as experts match his limp and extreme Covid distancing to recovery from surgery

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE
13 May 2022

Vladimir Putin is 'very ill with blood cancer', a Russian oligarch has claimed according to a new report, amid on-going speculation about the strongman's health.

An audio recording of the oligarch's comments was obtained by a Western venture capitalist and shared with New Lines magazine, the publication said.

In it, the oligarch - who has close ties to the Kremlin and named only as 'Yuri' to protect his identity - claimed a number of the health problems Putin is believed to be suffering from are linked to him having blood cancer.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10813667/Top-oligarch-secretly-recorded-saying-Putin-blood-cancer.html

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The writing is on the wall. The Kremlin is preparing the ground for forcing him out of office without having to admit he blew it when he invaded Ukraine.

Don't forget that Russia is essentially a One Party Nation again,and that party can NOT admit that THEY screwed up by supporting him and the war.

Putin is now as good as gone. The only question will be "Who will replace him?"
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« Reply #360 on: May 13, 2022, 03:27:53 pm »
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The writing is on the wall. The Kremlin is preparing the ground for forcing him out of office without having to admit he blew it when he invaded Ukraine.


I don't think they'll force him out - I think right now they're all sitting around hoping he dies sooner rather than later.  Of course, with that possibility being real, they are less likely to take any affirmative action to get rid of him, so if he lingers for a long time, so, too, will the war in Ukraine.

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« Reply #361 on: May 13, 2022, 03:32:43 pm »

I don't think they'll force him out - I think right now they're all sitting around hoping he dies sooner rather than later.  Of course, with that possibility being real, they are less likely to take any affirmative action to get rid of him, so if he lingers for a long time, so, too, will the war in Ukraine.

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You are forgetting that the war and the embargo are bankrupting Russia. The ONLY hope they have of preventing riots in the streets due to food,electricity,and even water shortages is to remove Putin,blame the whole thing on him,and hope to be forgiven by the west if they retreat back into Russia.

That may be a bitter pill to swallow,but it will be easier to swallow than a revolution.
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« Reply #362 on: May 13, 2022, 03:35:55 pm »
@Kamaji

You are forgetting that the war and the embargo are bankrupting Russia. The ONLY hope they have of preventing riots in the streets due to food,electricity,and even water shortages is to remove Putin,blame the whole thing on him,and hope to be forgiven by the west if they retreat back into Russia.

That may be a bitter pill to swallow,but it will be easier to swallow than a revolution.


Yes, but by the same token (a) the oligarchs - and the senior general staff officers - are relatively insulated from those threats, and (b) anyone who even starts taking concrete steps towards eliminating Putin stands a very high risk of being caught, and summarily shot - even if they just look like they're involved in such machinations.

It seems to me that, until and unless ordinary Russians start protesting in the streets in sufficient numbers that they can't simply be arrested and silenced in the gulag, the oligarchs and general staff will continue to sit tight and hope that nature does what they're too scared to do themselves.

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« Reply #363 on: May 13, 2022, 03:39:31 pm »
Sounds to me, if I were so inclined, "Parade Day" in Red Square would be an optimal time to strike Mother Russia.

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There is NO SUCH CRITTER as a "Good time to strike Holy Mother Russia"!

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« Reply #364 on: May 13, 2022, 03:47:03 pm »
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There is NO SUCH CRITTER as a "Good time to strike Holy Mother Russia"!

Just in case you are one of those people who think there is such a thing as "winning a nuclear war",there ARE no winners,only survivors trying to rebuild civilization while slowly dying of radiation poisoning.

This is why I included, "if I were so inclined" to my statement.  I'm a live-and-let-live sort of person, the kind that doesn't care if the USSR wants to go to Hell with itself.
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« Reply #365 on: May 13, 2022, 04:00:53 pm »
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« Reply #366 on: May 13, 2022, 04:40:41 pm »
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« Reply #367 on: May 13, 2022, 04:50:32 pm »
‘They were furious’: the Russian soldiers refusing to fight in Ukraine

Troops are saying no to officers, knowing that punishment is light while Russia is not technically at war

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Thu 12 May 2022 13.58 EDT
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When the soldiers of an elite Russian army brigade were told in early April to prepare for a second deployment to Ukraine, fear broke out among the ranks.

The unit, stationed in Russia’s far east during peacetime, first entered Ukraine from Belarus when the war started at the end of February and saw bitter combat with Ukrainian forces.

“It soon became clear that not everyone was onboard with it. Many of us simply did not want to go back,” said Dmitri, a member of the unit who asked not to be identified with his real name. “I want to return to my family – and not in a casket.”

Along with eight others, Dmitri told his commanders that he refused to rejoin the invasion. “They were furious. But they eventually calmed down because there wasn’t much they could do,” he said.

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #368 on: May 13, 2022, 04:51:06 pm »
This is why I included, "if I were so inclined" to my statement.  I'm a live-and-let-live sort of person, the kind that doesn't care if the USSR wants to go to Hell with itself.

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Thanks for clearing that up. You had me scared for a moment.
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« Reply #369 on: May 13, 2022, 04:59:34 pm »
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Thanks for clearing that up. You had me scared for a moment.

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« Reply #370 on: May 13, 2022, 05:19:06 pm »
Even more speculation on Putin's health; take it for what it's worth:

Vladimir Putin very ill with 'Parkinson's and schizoaffective disorder', insider claims

In recent days Vladimir Putin has been seen sat down at a public event with a blanket over his legs. The once powerful leader does not look in good shape and maybe gravely ill

By Kelly-Ann Mills, News Reporter
13 May 2022

Sources close to Vladimir Putin say the Russian leader is very ill and may be suffering from a schizoaffective disorder and have Parkinson's.

Seen in recent days sat down at a public event with a blanket over his legs, the warmongering leader does not look in good shape.

It is claimed that Putin will be going for cancer surgery very soon, with body-doubles being lined up so it looks like he is still in full control of Russia as it continues its war with Ukraine.

The Kremlin insider, who claims to have detailed knowledge of Putin’s supposed health issues, which include cancer, early Parkinson’s disease and a schizoaffective disorder.

Although there has been no official confirmation from the Russian government that the leader is unwell.

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Source:  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-very-ill-parkinsons-26957354

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« Reply #371 on: May 13, 2022, 05:31:59 pm »
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« Reply #372 on: May 13, 2022, 05:50:05 pm »
Ukraine Artillery Gets A GPS Boost

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=51416

Thanks for posting that. I've been wondering how the Ukrainian's could be so accurate with their artillery fire. These weapons should be a big help to the Ukrainians when dealing with the Russian dug in positions.
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« Reply #373 on: May 13, 2022, 05:51:57 pm »
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« Reply #374 on: May 13, 2022, 05:53:50 pm »
Well in all honesty...since the end of the USSR and the wall coming down most of Western Europe up til now hadn't given him any reason to believe they would.

Biden's total failure in Afghanistan was probably the final piece in the puzzle for Putin. We are fortunate that Boris Johnson really stepped into the role our POTUS should have been in. We are seeing Johnson doing it again promising to send British troops to Finland if requested.
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