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« Reply #200 on: May 09, 2022, 11:30:35 pm »
Considering this, photographing dead soldiers and sending those images to next of kin becomes a kindness, not the horror some characterized it as.

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« Reply #201 on: May 09, 2022, 11:38:13 pm »
I doubt it would make much difference. If the government does not want to pay then they simply will not pay. A photograph will not change the situation in Russia. What is worse is the guys returning with no legs or other disabilities. Russia gives them something like a bottle of vodka, a loaf of bread, a bottle of cooking oil, 500 rubles, and maybe a chicken. Then it is, 'so long. see you later. bah by.'
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« Reply #202 on: May 09, 2022, 11:44:57 pm »
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I think someone is very confused about their WW2 history.

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Ukraine will prevail as Europe did in 1945, Scholz says in VE Day speech

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« Reply #203 on: May 09, 2022, 11:53:54 pm »
Arnaud Bertrand
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I think someone is very confused about their WW2 history.

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Ukraine will prevail as Europe did in 1945, Scholz says in VE Day speech

More:  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/08/ukraine-will-prevail-as-europe-did-in-1945-scholz-says-in-ve-day-speech?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652028901

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Herr Scholtz forgot to say that Europe only 'prevailed' in 1945 after the Russians burned Berlin to the ground, exactly 77 years ago today.

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« Reply #204 on: May 09, 2022, 11:54:48 pm »
In WW2, Western Ukraine sided with nazi Germany, fought along side them and considered nazi German the Ukranian liberator.  Eastern Ukraine sided with Russia, fought with them and considered Russia to be Ukraine's liberator.

You see this same pro/anti Russia geographical spllt in Ukraine today.

Another split you still see in Ukraine today is language.  Western Ukraine today, as in WW2, speaks Ukrainian and  Eastern Ukraine speaks Russian.  Kiev's removal of Russian as an official language in Ukraine was in the mix of triggers for Donbas declaring its separation from Kiev and the start of Ukraine's battle with the region back in 2014.

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« Reply #205 on: May 10, 2022, 12:07:32 am »
FWIW   :shrug:

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You guys have no idea how much damage Russia causes DAILY with air-defense, ballistic, cruise & air-to-ground missiles.

Every day the Russian MoD runs a briefing and moves on.

I will let you know what got destroyed today, so you understand the scope of Ukrainian losses:

1- unspecified number of Ukrainian helicopters destroyed in the ground by and Onyx missile in Artsiz, Odessa region

2- 1 ammunition depot destroyed near Gulkhov

3- 4 MLRS “Smerch” and 1 S300 in the Bohodukhov area

4- air-defense shot down 2 MiG-29 in Iverskoe and Novodonetskoe

5- one Su-25 shot down near Pogonovka in the Kharkiv region

6- 3 UAV’s shot down near Snake Island inc 2 Bayraktar TB2’s

7- 12 UAV’s shot down in Balakleya, Shiikovka, Goptovka, Kamienka, Aveevka + a few other places

8- a US supplied counter-battery radar destroyed in Zolotoy

9- 1 MLRS “Grad” & 2 command posts near Popasna

10- Russia MLRS and artillery hit 26 command posts, 26 artillery units in firing positions & 211 areas of manpower and equipment concentration resulting in up to 350 kills

THIS WAS 1 DAY

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« Reply #206 on: May 10, 2022, 12:10:16 am »
"#Russian troops in liberated #Mariupol"  (Video)

 

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« Reply #207 on: May 10, 2022, 12:40:08 am »
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You guys have no idea how much damage Russia causes DAILY with air-defense, ballistic, cruise & air-to-ground missiles.

I think we have a pretty good idea.





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« Reply #208 on: May 10, 2022, 12:44:13 am »
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Liberated?

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« Reply #209 on: May 10, 2022, 01:10:57 am »
Liberated?



They were liberated of everything they had.

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« Reply #210 on: May 10, 2022, 01:14:22 am »
They were liberated of everything they had.

Thanks to the Azov/Ukrainian army who's shelling them for eight years.




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« Reply #211 on: May 10, 2022, 01:14:58 am »
First Lady Jill Biden Goes To Ukraine, President Heads To Golf Course
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May 9, 2022   DailyWire.com



On Mother’s Day, first lady Jill Biden made an unannounced trip to Europe, slipping from Slovakia into Ukraine to meet with her counterpart in the war-torn country.

Meanwhile, her husband, the president of the United States, headed to the golf course to play a round with his brother.

A reporter covering the president’s weekend visit to his home in Wilmington, Delaware, chronicled Biden’s golf trip.

“Pool joined the president’s motorcade near the Biden residence at 3:22pm ET,” Los Angeles Times reporter Courtney Subramanian said in a pool report. “Pool arrived at the Fieldstone Golf Club at 3:29 pm ET. Pool has not seen POTUS today. We’re headed to the hold location.”

Later, she wrote: “POTUS is golfing with his brother Jimmy, per the WH.”

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« Reply #212 on: May 10, 2022, 01:22:03 am »
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« Reply #213 on: May 10, 2022, 01:53:19 am »


https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1522705767911944192
If you gave him a thousand billion dollars today, tomorrow he will say he needs 100,000 thousand billion dollars. There is no end to it. And as long as Congress gets their "Big Guy 10% kickback", they will keep feeding him.

$600, 000, 000, 000 is 600 thousand million dollars.
But why stop there? Let's give him ...
$100, 000, 000, 000, 000 a hundred trillion dollars.
Hell man, lets give him a million trillion dollars?
It is all Monopoly Money anyway ...
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
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« Reply #214 on: May 10, 2022, 02:09:12 am »
Thanks to the Azov/Ukrainian army who's shelling them for eight years.

Just stop already.  Ok?  Just stop.
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« Reply #215 on: May 10, 2022, 02:12:10 am »
If you gave him a thousand billion dollars today, tomorrow he will say he needs 100,000 thousand billion dollars. There is no end to it. And as long as Congress gets their "Big Guy 10% kickback", they will keep feeding him.

$600, 000, 000, 000 is 600 thousand million dollars.
But why stop there? Let's give him ...
$100, 000, 000, 000, 000 a hundred trillion dollars.
Hell man, lets give him a million trillion dollars?
It is all Monopoly Money anyway ...

Russia is responsible of the destruction. Russia can pay the bill.

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« Reply #216 on: May 10, 2022, 02:17:38 am »
Offensive on Mariupol (September 2014)

In late August and early September 2014, Russian-backed separatists supporting the Donetsk People's Republic advanced on the government-controlled port city of Mariupol in southern Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine which it had controlled between May and June. This followed a wide offensive by DPR/Novorossiya forces, which led to their capture of Novoazovsk to the east. Fighting reached the outskirts of Mariupol on 6 September.

DPR advance

The offensive against Mariupol began on 28 August 2014, when separatist forces captured the town of Novoazovsk. The Ukrainian soldiers that left Novoazovsk retreated to Mariupol. Many citizens left Mariupol due to fear of an attack.

On 4 September, Ukrainian forces engaged separatists, who came from the village of Bezimenne, between the villages of Shirokino and Berdyanske. One separatist tank and a truck were destroyed, while another separatist truck was left abandoned.

On 5 September, fighting primarily raged in the village of Shirokino, while clashes once again took place at Bezimenne. The clashes over the previous two days had left seven civilians dead.[citation needed] Also, the Azov battalion started to train Mariupol citizens in self-defense and organize popular militias to defend the city. About a dozen of Ukrainian army APCs arrived with men and ammo to help the defense battalions to defend the city. More heavy fighting was reported in Mariupol despite the ceasefire agreement. Ukrainian forces shelled DPR positions near Mariupol, and claimed to have repelled an attack. separatist forces claimed they entered Mariupol, which Ukraine denied.

Fighting in the outskirts
On 5 September, seven Ukrainian Army T-64 tanks reputedly faced in battle 30 tanks, allegedly Russian T-80s. The Ukrainians repelled the attack but lost four tanks and retreated with the three remaining to the Army checkpoint on the outskirts of Mariupol. The commander of the Ukrainian tank brigade was in a state of post-shock but the three surviving tanks were reloaded with ammunition so they could return to the battlefield.

On 7 September, DPR artillery fire destroyed a Ukrainian military truck at a checkpoint on the outskirts of the town. A civilian was also killed in the shelling. The Azov Battalion also captured a tank near Mariupol, while the crew escaped. The same day, it was confirmed DPR forces had captured Shirokino.

On 8 September, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko visited Mariupol, telling steelworkers that Ukrainian forces had secured the city with tanks, howitzers, anti-tank guns and other weapons should the separtists violate the ceasefire. He also promised a "crushing defeat" on the separatists if they advanced on the city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_on_Mariupol_(September_2014)


So it was Russian-supported insurgents that attacked Mariupol - not the Ukrainian Army.  Go figure.

This illustrates the pitfall of making up bullshit accusations without offering a shred of supporting evidence to cite.
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« Reply #217 on: May 10, 2022, 02:20:20 am »
Russia is responsible of the destruction. Russia can pay the bill.

Ditto.  Maybe they can sell off some of their land to pay it.  Like Konigsberg, the Kuril Islands, North Ossetia, etc.
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« Reply #218 on: May 10, 2022, 02:26:20 am »

You can buy this private island and live there forever with 24 naked maids for a paltry tip of $160 million dollars $160,000,000.

This is how much Zelinsky would spend on a single meal. Pocket change.
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« Reply #219 on: May 10, 2022, 03:29:35 am »
This will not turn out well
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
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« Reply #220 on: May 10, 2022, 04:04:34 am »
If you gave him a thousand billion dollars today, tomorrow he will say he needs 100,000 thousand billion dollars. There is no end to it. And as long as Congress gets their "Big Guy 10% kickback", they will keep feeding him.

$600, 000, 000, 000 is 600 thousand million dollars.
But why stop there? Let's give him ...
$100, 000, 000, 000, 000 a hundred trillion dollars.
Hell man, lets give him a million trillion dollars?
It is all Monopoly Money anyway ...
Rebuilding is not our job. That is up to the Ukraine, Not the US, not NATO, and if they can squeeze Russia for the damages Russia has done there, all the better.
We can help the Ukrainians keep their country by giving them weapons, so they can retain the ports to trade and refit the tools to rebuild.
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« Reply #221 on: May 10, 2022, 04:44:14 am »

You can buy this private island and live there forever with 24 naked maids for a paltry tip of $160 million dollars $160,000,000.

This is how much Zelinsky would spend on a single meal. Pocket change.
A single meal? Where is this restaurant?
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« Reply #222 on: May 10, 2022, 06:05:58 am »
As a famous Congressman once said, 'A hundred million here ... and a trillion dollars there, the next thing you know we are talking about serious money?'
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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« Reply #223 on: May 10, 2022, 09:08:45 am »
This will not turn out well

Ie, Russia admits that it is getting its a$$ kicked in Ukraine, by Ukrainians.

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« Reply #224 on: May 10, 2022, 10:41:43 am »

(A) That certainly isn't the same Putin who used to ride around on a horse bare-chested, and

(B) His face looks a little puffy and swollen; he doesnt' look well.

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