Ukraine: Live Updates thread

[sneakypete]

At  this point in time it doesn't seem to matter whether there is a treaty in place or not . Or if Zelensky is a crook.

The bottom line is Russia invaded a neighboring country (starting about 2014) and is bombing into oblivion.

I don't really think he was provoked. It was a plan that had/could to be escalated due to health issues and perceived weakness in the US/Nato.

He wants to be revered as much as Stalin is. jmho

@berdie

Yup!

[Hoodat]

I admit your V-8 moment hasn't hit yet. It will eventually.

Keep in mind, I'm not the one here who is having problems with 'facts'.

[libertybele]

I'm not comfortable with it either.  This is the result of our own weak leadership.  No point in blaming Ukraine for it.  From this point forward, our best course of action is to equip Ukraine to stop Russia now before we end up fighting them in Poland.

Something we agree on; a result of our own weak leadership (we all know how that went in Afghanistan).  No, I didn't blame Ukraine.

God help us!

[Hoodat]

Disproven by whom?

Zelenskiy's statement was posted here several weeks back.  However, the burden of proof typically falls on the person making the initial claim.  Can you show me the connection between any progress with NATO membership and a full scale Russian invasion? 

[Hoodat]

Something we agree on; a result of our own weak leadership (we all know how that went in Afghanistan).  No, I didn't blame Ukraine.

God help us!

So you now agree that we should give Ukraine weapons?

[libertybele]

So you now agree that we should give Ukraine weapons?

 . Go back and read my posts.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

Clint Ehrlich
@ClintEhrlich

If the U.S. commits to sending troops to Ukraine in the event of a chemical attack, guess what?

There will miraculously be a chemical attack, at just the right time to support Western intervention.

We already saw this play out in Syria. Don't fall for it again.

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent · 7h

⚡️ US congressman calls on troops' deployment in Ukraine if Putin uses chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons.

Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger introduced a resolution on May 1 to authorize U.S. President Joe Biden to send troops to Ukraine in such cases.

6:03 PM · May 1, 2022·Twitter for Android

[sneakypete]

. Go back and read my posts.   

@libertybele

So,by definition,you are fine with Russian invading and taking over control of Ukraine and her resources,as well as a port on the Black Sea?

How about if Russia then licks her wounds,and used Ukraine as a staging area to invade and take over control of Continental Europe? I can't see why you would have any trouble with that.

[sneakypete]

Clint Ehrlich
@ClintEhrlich

If the U.S. commits to sending troops to Ukraine in the event of a chemical attack, guess what?

There will miraculously be a chemical attack, at just the right time to support Western intervention.

We already saw this play out in Syria. Don't fall for it again.


6:03 PM · May 1, 2022·Twitter for Android

@Right_in_Virginia

Let's say Russia ups her game and launches a massive ground and air attack to take over Ukraine?

I am guessing you are fine with that?

[Hoodat]

@libertybele , found it.


NATO won’t let Ukraine join soon. Here’s why

Edward Wong and Lara Jakes, NYTimes  |  Published: 14 Jan 2022  |  04:44 PM BdST  |  Updated: 04:44 PM BdST

The tense talks this week among the United States, Russia and European members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization have made one thing clear: While the Biden administration insists it will not allow Moscow to quash Ukraine’s ambitions to join NATO, it has no immediate plans to help bring the former Soviet republic into the alliance.
If Ukraine were a NATO member, the alliance would be obligated to defend it against Russia and other adversaries. US officials say they will not appease President Vladimir Putin of Russia by undermining a policy enshrined in NATO’s original 1949 treaty, which grants any European nation the right to ask to join.

“Together, the United States and our NATO allies made clear we will not slam the door shut on NATO’s open-door policy — a policy that has always been central to the NATO alliance,” Wendy R. Sherman, the deputy secretary of state, said Wednesday.

But France and Germany have in the past opposed Ukraine’s inclusion, and other European members are wary — a deal-breaker for an alliance that grants membership only by unanimous consent. American and Russian leaders know this. With Russian troops amassed on Ukraine’s eastern border, some current and former American and European officials say Putin might just be raising the NATO issue as a pretext for an invasion.  .  .

https://bdnews24.com/world/2022/01/14/nato-wont-let-ukraine-join-soon.-heres-why

[Hoodat]

{WARNING:  RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA}

Clint Ehrlich
@ClintEhrlich

If the U.S. commits to sending troops to Ukraine in the event of a chemical attack, guess what?

There will miraculously be a chemical attack, at just the right time to support Western intervention.

We already saw this play out in Syria. Don't fall for it again.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

Let's say Russia ups her game and launches a massive ground and air attack to take over Ukraine?

I am guessing you are fine with that?

Don't guess @sneakypete   It's not in your wheelhouse. 

[Hoodat]

@Right_in_Virginia

Let's say Russia ups her game and launches a massive ground and air attack to take over Ukraine?

I am guessing you are fine with that?

She is.  She considers Ukraine to be the occupier and Zelenskiy the war criminal.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Armchair Warlord
@ArmchairW

I think the Russians need to give their generals punch cards - after the Ukrainians claim to have killed them ten times they can get a free coffee at the PX.

2:11 PM · May 1, 2022·Twitter Web App

[Hoodat]

How many raped Ukrainian women does it take for a free coffee?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Dan Caldwell
@dandcaldwell

With no authorization from Congress and no explanation of how this makes America safer or more prosperous.

David Sacks
@DavidSacks· 14m

The New Yorker acknowledges that the U.S. is in “a full proxy war with Russia.”

More:  https://newyorker.com/news/daily-com

10:50 PM · May 1, 2022   Twitter Web App

[Hoodat]

David Sacks
@DavidSacks· 14m

The New Yorker acknowledges that the U.S. is in “a full proxy war with Russia.”

Russia is free to call off its invasion any time.

[Right_in_Virginia]

"Sowing began in the fields near Mariupol,  by the Donetsk People's Republic."  (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/spriter11220/status/1520900977863364609

[Hoodat]

{*** WARNING:  RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA ***}

"Sowing began in the fields near Mariupol,  by the Donetsk People's Republic."  (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/spriter11220/status/1520900977863364609

This Spriter guy is a real piece of work.  Here is one of his posted photos that he is most proud of:



And @Right_in_Virginia introduced him right here at TBR.

Btw, farmers don't seed green fields.

[Hoodat]

@Right_in_Virginia

I gotta ask, where do you find all this Twitter propaganda?  Is there a bulletin board somewhere called Propaganda Clearing House?  Because many of the bullshit lies I see on Spriter1's thread list is some of the same bullshit lies you have posted here.

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Clint Ehrlich
@ClintEhrlich

If the U.S. commits to sending troops to Ukraine in the event of a chemical attack, guess what?

There will miraculously be a chemical attack, at just the right time to support Western intervention.

We already saw this play out in Syria. Don't fall for it again.


6:03 PM · May 1, 2022·Twitter for Android

More than that. Ukraine wants America to kill Russians ... sure they do. But the bigger prize is the Billions of Billions of dollars in rebuilding "nation building". Every country America has militarily intervened has received Billions and Billions on top of Billions of dollars in 'American rebuilding money' (kickbacks ... cough cough kickbacks).

Defeating Russia is great, but what Ukraine really wants is for America to pay to rebuild their country (as America has done with dozens of other countries). There is a reason so many countries around the world are standing in line to go to war with America. It is the most profitable thing any country can do.

Florida Conch Republic - declares war on the United States, demands 1 Billion dollars in reparations



Wardlow — now serving as prime minister of the new nation — declared “war” on the United States by breaking a stale loaf of Cuban bread over the head of a man dressed in a U.S. Navy uniform. Citizens of the new republic began lobbing stale bread and conch fritters at federal agents, Navy sailors and Coast Guard personal in attendance.

Approximately one minute after declaring war and firing a “verbal shot” at the U.S., Wardlow surrendered to a nearby naval officer and requested $1 billion in foreign aid to compensate for “the long federal siege.”

War - American War - is a money scam. Zelinsky knows this too well. And he wants to cash in on American stupidity and graft. If he can get the Americans involved in any way - yes he may defeat the Russians, but the bigger goal is how much money America will pour into his busted up nation to so called "fix it".

[sneakypete]

She is.  She considers Ukraine to be the occupier and Zelenskiy the war criminal.

@Hoodat

I don't think so. I might be wrong,but I think her problem is she is terrified it will lead to a nuclear war between the US and Russia if we help the Ukrainians.

I am guessing she has never heard of "Mutual Assured Destruction". The fact is that NOBODY can take a chance on starting a nuclear war today.

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

I don't think so. I might be wrong,but I think her problem is she is terrified it will lead to a nuclear war between the US and Russia if we help the Ukrainians.

Nope.  She has stated exactly that on this thread.  Ukraine is the occupier, and Zelenskiy is committing war crimes.  Her rhetoric against US involvement does not include the threat of nuclear war.  Her position has been for the US to stay out of it and let Putin do whatever he wants.  And that includes invading other European countries including NATO members.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The US should stay out of European wars.

Let Europe handle Ukraine.  Maybe then they'll learn the true price of war and decide to stop their incessant bullshit.

[Hoodat]

QED