Ukraine: Live Updates thread

[sneakypete]

I get that, but maintaining those systems when the video game doesn't work is as different from looking under the hood of that 1970 Camaro and looking under the hood of the latest version.

Keeping all the 'gee whiz' working is the hardest part. In lieu of that, being able to work out some ballistics on a piece of ration box might come in handy...

@Smokin Joe

On THAT,I am sure the Ukrainian red legs are very familiar.

As to the arty pieces have a "fall-back manual mode",I have no idea,but I do HOPE the army wasn't stupid enough to accept arty pieces that can't be manually operated. I would THINK that would be one of the major requirements when the surest words we have all ever heard is that "If something CAN go wrong,it WILL go wrong".

In other words,IF the cannons can be aimed and fired manually,I would almost bet money they ARE capable of being manually operated. Especially when you consider the pounding the 155 and 175's take when they are in recoil. They ain't what anyone would call "delicate weapons". I have seen some of them come right up off the  ground in recoil.

[Ghost Bear]

I didn't see this article posted... but I have to skim past so much Russian disinformation and propaganda that I might have missed it. If so, I apologize for the repost.

Putin's chief of staff Valery Gerasimov is 'wounded by shrapnel after being sent to Ukraine by Russian president to secure victory', reports claim

Vladimir Putin's top military commander has been flown out of the war zone with shrapnel wounds after being to sent to Ukraine by the Russian president to secure victory, a former Russian internal affairs minister has claimed.

Valery Gerasimov, the chief of staff of the Russian army, was today wounded in Izyum in Ukraine's Kharviv region, which has been at the centre of intense fighting since Russia's invasion.

...

An unofficial Russian source reported that Gerasimov sustained 'a shrapnel wound in the upper third of the right leg without a bone fracture.

'The shard was removed - there is no danger to life,' he said.

But Gerasimov's injury was severe enough to have him flown away from the frontlines and back to Russia to undergo further treatment, marking another embarrassing defeat for Putin's forces.

...

Excerpted, more at the link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10772727/Putins-military-commander-Valery-Gerasimov-wounded-forced-evacuate-war-zone.html

[Hoodat]

Journalist Vira Hyrych Identified as Victim in Russian Strike in Kyiv

Peter Saidel  |  Apr 29, 2022 at 10:03 am ET


Rescuers on Friday carried out the body of journalist Vira Hyrych from the apartment building where she lived.GLEB GARANICH/REUTERS

Vira Hyrych, a journalist with Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, was killed in a Russian missile strike on the Kyiv building where she lived, the news service said.

The attack struck the apartment block on Thursday. Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko said a single body had been found in the debris, and that many of the apartments had been vacated by residents who had earlier fled the Russian invasion.

“We are deeply saddened by the death of our Ukrainian service staffer Vira Hyrych in Kyiv overnight. We have lost a dear colleague who will be remembered for her professionalism and dedication to our mission,” RFE/RL President Jamie Fly said, the agency reported.  .  .

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-04-29/card/journalist-vira-hyrych-identified-as-victim-in-russian-strike-in-kyiv-DQWHwNErG5tHGLib6YvF


Russia's war on Ukrainian civilians continues.

[sneakypete]

I didn't see this article posted... but I have to skim past so much Russian disinformation and propaganda that I might have missed it. If so, I apologize for the repost.

Putin's chief of staff Valery Gerasimov is 'wounded by shrapnel after being sent to Ukraine by Russian president to secure victory', reports claim

Vladimir Putin's top military commander has been flown out of the war zone with shrapnel wounds after being to sent to Ukraine by the Russian president to secure victory, a former Russian internal affairs minister has claimed.

 

@Ghost Bear

At the rate they are losing Generals and other officers,it won't be long before it's Lt's and NCO's running the war.

Which is not a good thing from the Russian POV because the NCO's will vote to go back home.

[Kamaji]

Adam Kinzinger is an idiot.  Perhaps he needs a refresher on the Constitution.

Yes, he is, and yes, he does.  He also needs a refresher on geopolitics.

[Hoodat]

Dutch dock workers refuse to unload tanker carrying Russia oil

PUBLISHED 9 HOURS AGO


The Sunny Liger took on about 60,000 tons of diesel at Russia's Primorsk port in late April. PHOTO: AFP

AMSTERDAM (BLOOMBERG) - Dutch dock workers refused to unload a tanker carrying Russian diesel, as European states edge closer to penalising Moscow's energy exports in the wake of its invasion of Ukraine.

The Sunny Liger took on about 60,000 tons of diesel at Russia's Primorsk port in late April, according to a port report and tanker-tracking data compiled by Bloomberg.

It was refused entry to a Swedish port, before being turned away from Rotterdam and then Amsterdam in recent days, according to Mr Niek Stam, director of FNV Havens, the harbour arm of the Dutch labour union FNV.

"If dock workers somewhere else in the world refuse the cargo, we will also refuse," he said in an interview on Sunday (May 1). "We do that on the basis of international solidarity."

The vessel's sitting off IJmuiden, near the port of Amsterdam area, and it is unclear how long it will wait there, he said.  .  .

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/dutch-dock-workers-refuse-to-unload-tanker-carrying-russia-oil

[sneakypete]

Dutch dock workers refuse to unload tanker carrying Russia oil

PUBLISHED 9 HOURS AGO


The Sunny Liger took on about 60,000 tons of diesel at Russia's Primorsk port in late April. PHOTO: AFP

AMSTERDAM (BLOOMBERG) - Dutch dock workers refused to unload a tanker carrying Russian diesel, as European states edge closer to penalising Moscow's energy exports in the wake of its invasion of Ukraine.

The Sunny Liger took on about 60,000 tons of diesel at Russia's Primorsk port in late April, according to a port report and tanker-tracking data compiled by Bloomberg.

It was refused entry to a Swedish port, before being turned away from Rotterdam and then Amsterdam in recent days, according to Mr Niek Stam, director of FNV Havens, the harbour arm of the Dutch labour union FNV.

"If dock workers somewhere else in the world refuse the cargo, we will also refuse," he said in an interview on Sunday (May 1). "We do that on the basis of international solidarity."

The vessel's sitting off IJmuiden, near the port of Amsterdam area, and it is unclear how long it will wait there, he said.  .  .

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/dutch-dock-workers-refuse-to-unload-tanker-carrying-russia-oil

@Hoodat


Anyone know what the Russian's options are?

Who can they sell it to?

[Kamaji]

@Hoodat


Anyone know what the Russian's options are?

Who can they sell it to?

The Indians or the Chinese.

[sneakypete]

The Indians or the Chinese.

@Kamaji

Thanks. That would add a lot of expense to their transportation time and costs,but it's better than nothing.

[Kamaji]

MSNBC Hack Who Went to 'Fight' in Ukraine Gets Completely Exposed

By Bonchie
May 01, 2022

In April, MSNBC’s intelligence “analyst” extraordinaire Malcolm Nance decided to take his LARPing to the next level by going to “fight” in Ukraine. You may recall Nance as being a rabidly anti-Trump figure throughout the last administration. Back in May of 2021, he proclaimed a coming Trump-led “terrorist and paramilitary insurgency.

But as is true with essentially everything Nance says, he missed the mark by a mile and no such thing has materialized. Why? Because Nance is the biggest poser in media, constantly fluffing his resume and making it seem as if he were some former super-spy with immense expertise in military warfare. Nothing could be further from the truth, and he’s often beclowned himself with wild proclamations and predictions.

In regards to going to Ukraine, Nance made an appearance on Joy Reid’s ridiculous show, in which he cosplayed as an operator, ready to take the fight to the Russians. He also took to social media to put out the same vibes.

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So, what’s Nance been up to? Has he been unloading on Putin’s soldiers at the front lines, which is the facade he’s tried to put up? Nah, it appears he’s not actually fighting at all. Instead, he’s hiding out in “safe houses” and talking to the press, likely of his own volition.

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Source:  https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/05/01/msnbc-hack-who-went-to-fight-in-ukraine-gets-completely-exposed-n558582

[berdie]

So...Joe is "out there" Kammie the Kackler has the Vid (nod, nod, wink, wink) and this is what the US has to send. How embarrassing.

[berdie]

At  this point in time it doesn't seem to matter whether there is a treaty in place or not . Or if Zelensky is a crook.

The bottom line is Russia invaded a neighboring country (starting about 2014) and is bombing into oblivion.

I don't really think he was provoked. It was a plan that had/could to be escalated due to health issues and perceived weakness in the US/Nato.

He wants to be revered as much as Stalin is. jmho

[Right_in_Virginia]

We do have an agreement with the NATO countriies.

And therein lies the root of the problem.

Making sure things are set up to run as smoothly as possible is a good idea, and insurance against getting caught with our britches down should the need ever arise. The more smoothly the NATO countries can function together, the less likely they will have to do so.

Function together?  How?  Why?

Europe has bestowed upon this planet socialism, marxism, nazism, fascism, communism, modern globalism and two world wars that 75 years later they are unable to fully end.  And yet we STILL struggle to hitch our wagon to this cauldron of slaughter and anti-freedom.  Europe is the land where serfs must be controlled when not used as pawns to shed blood.

Instead of trying to crawl back into the European womb, we should remember we were born to be different----born to be that shining city on a hill and the last best hope of all on Earth.  We need to be Europe's counter-balance, not its willing accomplice.  It's past time to cut the cord, and Ukraine is a perfect place to start.

Ukraine is not America's problem, not our step-child and her borders pose no geopolitical threat to us.  Let Brussels figure out and fund the solution to their self-inflicted problem.

We either remember we are free and independent of Europe or we become them.  We're thisclose to it.

We've a country to save, and it isn't Ukraine.

[bilo]

I think you left out the part about Joe sending 1,000's of additional US troops to Poland and neighboring NATO countries.  Several 1,000 are needed to train Ukraine on equipment??

Are Russian troops in Poland? Are Russian troops shooting at our soldiers in Poland?

It may not have occurred to you but the best way to keep us out of a war with Russia is to help the Ukrainians stop them in Ukraine. There are a lot of things involved in Russia's aggression, among them being a historic desire to eliminate avenues of attack against Russia. In the west that means having buffer states. Russia will not stop in eastern Ukraine. In the end, if they aren't stopped now Romania, Poland and the Baltic States will become targets. Once NATO States are attacked the USA will be drawn into the war. NATO will crush the Russians which will leave Russia the choice of retreat or going nuclear.

IOW, we better stop them now.

[libertybele]

And therein lies the root of the problem.

Function together?  How?  Why?

Europe has bestowed upon this planet socialism, marxism, nazism, fascism, communism, modern globalism and two world wars that 75 years later they are unable to fully end.  And yet we STILL struggle to hitch our wagon to this cauldron of slaughter and anti-freedom.  Europe is the land where serfs must be controlled when not used as pawns to shed blood.

Instead of trying to crawl back into the European womb, we should remember we were born to be different----born to be that shining city on a hill and the last best hope of all on Earth.  We need to be Europe's counter-balance, not its willing accomplice.  It's past time to cut the cord, and Ukraine is a perfect place to start.

Ukraine is not America's problem, not our step-child and her borders pose no geopolitical threat to us.  Let Brussels figure out and fund the solution to their self-inflicted problem.

We either remember we are free and independent of Europe or we become them.  We're thisclose to it.

We've a country to save, and it isn't Ukraine.

That should ring loud and clear with everyone!

[bilo]

Actually, we aren't inflicting the harm, Ukrainians are. (even better).

Any time Russia wants the pain to stop, all they have to do is withdraw (GTFO).

 

The Ukrainians have been fighting way above their weight. Imagine what they will do with radar directed artillery and maybe Reaper drones. If they can take out the bridge that connects Crimea to Russia Crimea can be isolated and a major supply line terminated.

[Hoodat]

And therein lies the root of the problem.

Russia is the problem.

[libertybele]

Are Russian troops in Poland? Are Russian troops shooting at our soldiers in Poland?

It may not have occurred to you but the best way to keep us out of a war with Russia is to help the Ukrainians stop them in Ukraine. There are a lot of things involved in Russia's aggression, among them being a historic desire to eliminate avenues of attack against Russia. In the west that means having buffer states. Russia will not stop in eastern Ukraine. In the end, if they aren't stopped now Romania, Poland and the Baltic States will become targets. Once NATO States are attacked the USA will be drawn into the war. NATO will crush the Russians which will leave Russia the choice of retreat or going nuclear.

IOW, we better stop them now.

What may not have occurred to you is that Russia has IMO obviously seen an attempt by the Ukraine to join NATO as a threat, especially with the Charter just renewed (posted up thread) and Joe giving Ukraine $$ and announcing that Russia will strike months before Putin even escalated the on going war.

I'm still not comfortable with all the US troops being whisked over to Poland and the thought of sending even more troops to neighboring NATO countries.  One might see that as the US preparing for getting involved in a war that isn't ours.

[Hoodat]

That should ring loud and clear with everyone!

I admit it's a much stronger argument than the 'make-up-lies-about-Zelenskiy' strategy.

[Hoodat]

It may not have occurred to you but the best way to keep us out of a war with Russia is to help the Ukrainians stop them in Ukraine.

Even Stevie Wonder can see that.

[libertybele]

I admit it's a much stronger argument than the 'make-up-lies-about-Zelenskiy' strategy.

I admit your V-8 moment hasn't hit yet. It will eventually.

[bilo]

What may not have occurred to you is that Russia has IMO obviously seen an attempt by the Ukraine to join NATO as a threat, especially with the Charter just renewed (posted up thread) and Joe giving Ukraine $$ and announcing that Russia will strike months before Putin even escalated the on going war.

I'm still not comfortable with all the US troops being whisked over to Poland and the thought of sending even more troops to neighboring NATO countries.  One might see that as the US preparing for getting involved in a war that isn't ours.

Why do you keep making claims that have been disproven?

[Hoodat]

What may not have occurred to you is that Russia has IMO obviously seen an attempt by the Ukraine to join NATO as a threat

A month before Russia's invasion, Zelenskiy conceded that Ukraine would not be joining NATO.  This false claim has already been addressed here repeatedly.

especially with the Charter just renewed (posted up thread)

A charter that had already been in effect for over 13 years.

and Joe giving Ukraine $$

Trump did better than that.  Trump gave them actual weapons.   Yet no Russian invasion.

and announcing that Russia will strike months before Putin even escalated the on going war.

It was less than two weeks.  The announcement was brought on by the massive troop buildup along the Ukrainian border.  It is more than disingenuous to say Russia invaded because Biden called them out on their invasion preparations.

I'm still not comfortable with all the US troops being whisked over to Poland and the thought of sending even more troops to neighboring NATO countries.  One might see that as the US preparing for getting involved in a war that isn't ours.

I'm not comfortable with it either.  This is the result of our own weak leadership.  No point in blaming Ukraine for it.  From this point forward, our best course of action is to equip Ukraine to stop Russia now before we end up fighting them in Poland.

[bilo]

Even Stevie Wonder can see that.

 

History repeats if we let it. Germany started out saying there would be peace if they just had some more territory. Next thing you know they think their military is strong enough and they roll into Poland.

Listening to the "stay uninvolved" posters all we have to do is let Russia take Ukraine and everything will be okay. After all, it's not any of our concern. Hey, it's not like we have security agreements with any states bordering Ukraine. Oh, silly me we do!

[libertybele]

Why do you keep making claims that have been disproven?

Disproven by whom?