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[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

And then there were those of us who recognize that being loveable and all that doesn't get the job done, especially when dealing with some of the most notorious badasses on the planet.

How's that foreign policy working so far, now?

I didn't say I had a problem with Trump's personality. Understand?

[skeeter]

A lot of people had problems with Trump's personality.

I had problems with his personality - in 2016.

It is simply counterintuitive to believe his personality was a bigger problem for him in 2020, considering he gained so many actual votes.

[roamer_1]

I had problems with his personality - in 2016.

It is simply counterintuitive to believe his personality was a bigger problem for him in 2020, considering he gained so many actual votes.

I don't think that's right... Without considering equally the white-hot anger against him too. Doesn't matter how many votes he gained if he also caused many to be hardened against him.

Considering the low turnout on both sides in '16... If he also galvanized the left to turn out. and maybe more so against him... That would have to be part of the consideration.

[skeeter]

I don't think that's right... Without considering equally the white-hot anger against him too. Doesn't matter how many votes he gained if he also caused many to be hardened against him.

Considering the low turnout on both sides in '16... If he also galvanized the left to turn out. and maybe more so against him... That would have to be part of the consideration.

If this was all there was to consider coming out of the 2020 election I might agree with you. But there's all that other stuff we've gone over ad nauseam, as well as the hysterical reaction of the rat media at the suggestion of any ballot audit, so I'm gonna go with The Big Lie for 1000 Alex.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I had problems with his personality - in 2016.

It is simply counterintuitive to believe his personality was a bigger problem for him in 2020, considering he gained so many actual votes.

I think after he was President, he got a lot more exposure.

Maybe now that Biden is getting more exposure people will turn on him too. I don't know.

[skeeter]

I think after he was President, he got a lot more exposure.

Maybe now that Biden is getting more exposure people will turn on him too. I don't know.

How people evaluate Biden will be based, as with Trump, upon his record.

[roamer_1]

If this was all there was to consider coming out of the 2020 election I might agree with you. But there's all that other stuff we've gone over ad nauseam, as well as the hysterical reaction of the rat media at the suggestion of any ballot audit, so I'm gonna go with The Big Lie for 1000 Alex.

I ain't far off from you in that, at least in my suspicions. I await tangible proof before jumping in with you with all four feet. I would happily agree that the numbers we are being fed from BOTH sides are spun, and none of it can be trusted... I can go that far.

Which is why I await the various forthcoming audits.

But it is seriously wrong to consider his popularity without also considering his unpopularity along with it.

[skeeter]

I ain't far off from you in that, at least in my suspicions. I await tangible proof before jumping in with you with all four feet. I would happily agree that the numbers we are being fed from BOTH sides are spun, and none of it can be trusted... I can go that far.

Which is why I await the various forthcoming audits.

But it is seriously wrong to consider his popularity without also considering his unpopularity along with it.

I live in California & am very familiar with TDS. But his record is what it is and I believe most Americans are not so easily led.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

How people evaluate Biden will be based, as with Trump, upon his record.

People don't vote based on records. You don't know "normies" very well. It's often just a likability contest, period.

[catfish1957]

Joe Biden was more likable than Hillary, yes.

Ohhhh?...   Why don't you let him babysit your grandchildren?

I find nothing likeable about pedophilia.

[roamer_1]

I live in California & very familiar with TDS. But his record is what it is and I believe most Americans are not so easily led.

Well, if you are speaking of a 'most' defined by a narrow - exceedingly slim - majority, I can kinda agree to a likelihood. But if that 'most' defines a wide majority, I'd call that wrong on its face. The bare reality is that most of America lives in mega cities, which without a doubt lean far to the left. Just the major population centers, which always vote Democrat, reduce your statement to nothing but a fervent wish.

[skeeter]

Well, if you are speaking of a 'most' defined by a narrow - exceedingly slim - majority, I can kinda agree to a likelihood. But if that 'most' defines a wide majority, I'd call that wrong on its face. The bare reality is that most of America lives in mega cities, which without a doubt lean far to the left. Just the major population centers, which always vote Democrat, reduce your statement to nothing but a fervent wish.

I'm speaking of it in the historical sense. I fully realize the pendulum has swung inexorably leftward in general, but national elections have been determined by relatively slim majorities for decades, just as the political loyalties in cities have been rat.

[roamer_1]

I'm speaking of it in the historical sense. I fully realize the pendulum has swung inexorably leftward in general, but national elections have been determined by relatively slim majorities for decades, just as the political loyalties in cities have been rat.

In that, I'll submit, the 'vast herds' of Tump supporters are an illusion. At best the argument is over a few spare 10s of thousands in a few states. The reality is a 50/50 split nation and that has not significantly changed.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Ohhhh?...   Why don't you let him babysit your grandchildren?

I find nothing likeable about pedophilia.

You know that this is a foolish reply in the context in what I'm speaking of. It's frankly childish. I ain't talking my personal opinion and you know that.

[catfish1957]

You know that this is a foolish reply in the context in what I'm speaking of. It's frankly childish. I ain't talking my personal opinion and you know that.

Don't worry, you've made quite a fool of yourself on this thread without any help.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Don't worry, you've made quite a fool of yourself on this thread without any help.

Thanks for that response, you're now in my ignore list.

[catfish1957]

Thanks for that response, you're now in my ignore list.

I'm heartbroken (triple /s) 

[Hoodat]

You know that this is a foolish reply in the context in what I'm speaking of. It's frankly childish. I ain't talking my personal opinion and you know that.

If it's not your personal opinion, then whose opinion is it?  Seriously, who considers a pedophile more likeable than Hillary Clinton?

[catfish1957]

If it's not your personal opinion, then whose opinion is it?  Seriously, who considers a pedophile more likeable than Hillary Clinton?

Sucker doesn't realize how stupid he sounded. Someone put him in the "Words have Consequences" remedial school.

[sneakypete]

A lot of people had problems with Trump's personality.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Yeah,causen when it comes to balancing saving America,individual freedoms,and being able to sleep safely in your home at night without worrying about petty things like the PC Secret Police picking you up,none of THAT shit is as important as a Presidents personality,huh?

MUCH better to live in a fascist police state where everyone has the same rights to work and live where they are told,and all the freedom in the world to have as many children as they are allowed,huh?

At least we won't have a rude President,huh?

Then again, we won't HAVE a President. We,and the rest of the western world will be ruled by a corporate board that meets someplace like Geneva,and they will give the orders to our masters,who will sit on the "North American Economic Zone Board of Directors" in NYC.

The bestest news here is neither you nor anyone else will even KNOW what type of personality our Maximum Leaders will have because they will never be seen in public and they DAMN SURE will never be running for election and asking for our votes because none of US will be allowed to vote.

Good call!

 

[sneakypete]

If it's not your personal opinion, then whose opinion is it?  Seriously, who considers a pedophile more likeable than Hillary Clinton?

@Hoodat

What makes you so certain that Bubbette! is not a pedophile,also?

In that case,Slow Joe might be better because he would only molest them. Bubbette! might molest them and then eat them.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

If it's not your personal opinion, then whose opinion is it?  Seriously, who considers a pedophile more likeable than Hillary Clinton?

I voted for Trump in both elections. It's my opinion of Trump's popularity among the "normies", people who don't post on political forums on a daily basis. They have thin, superficial reasons for voting the way they do.

[dfwgator]

I voted for Trump in both elections. It's my opinion of Trump's popularity among the "normies", people who don't post on political forums on a daily basis. They have thin, superficial reasons for voting the way they do.

And here we are.

[sneakypete]

I voted for Trump in both elections. It's my opinion of Trump's popularity among the "normies", people who don't post on political forums on a daily basis. They have thin, superficial reasons for voting the way they do.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

"Thin and superficial reasons for voting"?

Really?

BTW,does this mean their votes don't count?

[skeeter]

In that, I'll submit, the 'vast herds' of Tump supporters are an illusion. At best the argument is over a few spare 10s of thousands in a few states. The reality is a 50/50 split nation and that has not significantly changed.

Hard to believe the rat party, media and a good chunk of the GOP would react so hysterically to a few tens of 000s in a few states. I think you’re wrong about that.

It’s not so much that the 50/50 split has changed - the 5 or 10 percent in the middle still determine outcomes - as it is the change in attitude among our 50 percent.