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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #100 on: June 16, 2021, 12:47:20 am »
A personal observation, probably don't mean nuthin', but...

Threads like this one are "GBR flypaper".
They attract all the usual ne'ertrump suspects, like roamer, goat, absalom, etc.

All the members who are on my permanent ignore list.
And they ALWAYS "wreck the thread".

Actually, I suppose I prefer this, because it keeps them from destroying other threads.
But... why do other members (who I like and respect) continue to fall for their baiting...?

It's their mission in life to prevent the republic from healing and rising again.

That's the only explanation for why they are so dishonest.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #101 on: June 16, 2021, 12:57:07 am »
I get that.  I understand what you're saying.  Again -- UNLESS the GOP/RNC have systems in place to ensure a fair election you will never see another GOP president seated period.  Also take into consideration that it is very likely that by then the SCOTUS will be packed with liberals, amnesty granted to millions (making it mathematically impossible for a GOP to be seated) and our electoral process changed.

Our Republic is crumbling and the GOP is pretty much dead.

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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #102 on: June 16, 2021, 01:54:56 am »

You mean people only have one religious belief?   I disagree.

Arguments over spiritual beliefs is verboten.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #103 on: June 16, 2021, 01:59:43 am »
It's their mission in life to prevent the republic from healing and rising again.

That's the only explanation for why they are so dishonest.


I am being forthright.

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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #104 on: June 16, 2021, 02:07:41 am »
A personal observation, probably don't mean nuthin', but...
Threads like this one are "GBR flypaper".
They attract all the usual ne'ertrump suspects, like roamer, goat, absalom, etc.
All the members who are on my permanent ignore list.
And they ALWAYS "wreck the thread".
Actually, I suppose I prefer this, because it keeps them from destroying other threads.
But... why do other members (who I like and respect) continue to fall for their baiting...?
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Hmm.............so your personal observations, "prolly don't mean nuttin, but........"
In fact, they mean far less than nuttin!!! So a reflection from experience.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #105 on: June 16, 2021, 02:14:39 am »
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #106 on: June 16, 2021, 05:54:28 am »
@roamer_1 has it right.  There is no provision in the Constitution to call "mulligans" on an election; the EVs were certified and that's the end of it.  There are mechanisms for Biden to be removed from office, but there is no mechanism to put Trump back in and that will not happen.

However we might get more than local criminal prosecutions and state level reforms.  If it becomes clear that Trump won a fair count the Biden admin will be crippled and the D agenda will suffer, and I believe the mass of people would become more demanding of transparent, auditable election results.

I am not so sure about that last part. If anything, I suspect the Communists who stole the election will double down to keep power. Masks and gloves will come off, and last year's ugliness will just be a small hors d'oeuvre, a taste of thing to come.

The puppet will likely not finish his term, simply because those behind him will tire of his non compos mentis approach to government, and their lust for power will propel them to be more in the limelight--and in control.

As much as I would like to see this regime deposed, there is no Constitutional means of doing so, You have to go back to another document for that. So, we endure, and hopefully, the GOP will find its gonads and stand up to the illegitimate uses of usurped power. In the meantime, I'd like to see some serious and meaningful election reforms come from the State Legislatures. (The Federal Government is not Constitutionally authorized to take that over, and should stay out, with the exception of having the States follow their own duly enacted rules.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #107 on: June 16, 2021, 06:28:53 am »
Nothing will happen.

Not because there was anything at all legit about the election, because nothing was.

Nothing will happen because those who should do something lack the courage.

You are right, and it is a pity that those who could sort this out most peacefully have failed in that duty.

Despite the summer of riots, the hoopla over 1/6 indicates that the Dems are scared to incontinence that they will be found out and ordinarily peaceful people will decide to storm the Bastille, even as the Left's pet storm troopers continue to damage property and disrupt commerce in major cities. Hence, the hyperbole equating an event where a solitary protester was killed with events which were high body count acts of real terrorism, which devastated buildings and caused large numbers of casualties. They are already trying to browbeat the American people into submission, and likely to push for their disarmament out of fear they will face those same arms otherwise--even though that attempt to further infringe an enumerated Civil Right would likely be just the sort of thing which might precipitate violence and instigate action on the part of the people they fear.

And fear the people, they do. As ever, the incompetent hide behind bluster and rage, the smarter ones accusing their opponents of that which they, themselves, do.
It will be interesting to see how far down the Media will accompany the Communists ("Democrats") before they decide to bail, or if they will continue in the Ministry of Propaganda role.

But, in the end, the time for that action has passed. @roamer_1 is right, whether under duress, political pressure, or other influences, or out of ignorance of the fraud likely involved, the electors were certified by their respective States, The SCOTUS disappointingly failed to act on complaints that Constitutionally mandated rules were not followed (that the several States Legislatures should have been solely responsible for the rules of conduct for the elections), and no court ever has ruled on evidence of impropriety on the part of those States, no matter how blatant. Those summary dismissals, either out of cowardice, or because the judges were enamored of the apparent results, were the first line to fail, the SCOTUS, the second, and the Congress (and Pence) the third. Three strikes.

Our best hope is that the election will be shown to be a fraud, that those responsible will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and never hold office again, of any kind, That the rules will be tightened to eliminate fraud, and that there will be an end to devices which are subject to tampering, hacking, or outside interference.

We might wish for things to be set right, but like the folks who simply quit trying to hook up a pipe to bring Alberta Crude to the US Gulf Coast Refineries, some things are not going to be unbroken. Some things already can't be made right, and that list, and the accompanying enmity will grow for the next 3 1/2 years. How much depends on whether the GOP finds its spine, and whether the elected officials therein even give a damn.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #108 on: June 16, 2021, 09:13:22 am »
Arguments over spiritual beliefs is verboten.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind, but I was following another book, called "Sarcasm, the Unknown Ideal", by Ayn Rand.

Lighten up, Francis, nobody was discussing any real religious beliefs.  I noted long ago y'all don't have a religion board, and that's just fine.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #109 on: June 16, 2021, 09:14:11 am »

I am being forthright.

I'm just being right.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #110 on: June 16, 2021, 09:21:03 am »
You are right, and it is a pity that those who could sort this out most peacefully have failed in that duty.

Despite the summer of riots, the hoopla over 1/6 indicates that the Dems are scared to incontinence that they will be found out and ordinarily peaceful people will decide to storm the Bastille, even as the Left's pet storm troopers continue to damage property and disrupt commerce in major cities. Hence, the hyperbole equating an event where a solitary protester was killed with events which were high body count acts of real terrorism, which devastated buildings and caused large numbers of casualties. They are already trying to browbeat the American people into submission, and likely to push for their disarmament out of fear they will face those same arms otherwise--even though that attempt to further infringe an enumerated Civil Right would likely be just the sort of thing which might precipitate violence and instigate action on the part of the people they fear.

And fear the people, they do. As ever, the incompetent hide behind bluster and rage, the smarter ones accusing their opponents of that which they, themselves, do.
It will be interesting to see how far down the Media will accompany the Communists ("Democrats") before they decide to bail, or if they will continue in the Ministry of Propaganda role.

But, in the end, the time for that action has passed. @roamer_1 is right, whether under duress, political pressure, or other influences, or out of ignorance of the fraud likely involved, the electors were certified by their respective States, The SCOTUS disappointingly failed to act on complaints that Constitutionally mandated rules were not followed (that the several States Legislatures should have been solely responsible for the rules of conduct for the elections), and no court ever has ruled on evidence of impropriety on the part of those States, no matter how blatant. Those summary dismissals, either out of cowardice, or because the judges were enamored of the apparent results, were the first line to fail, the SCOTUS, the second, and the Congress (and Pence) the third. Three strikes.

Our best hope is that the election will be shown to be a fraud, that those responsible will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and never hold office again, of any kind, That the rules will be tightened to eliminate fraud, and that there will be an end to devices which are subject to tampering, hacking, or outside interference.

We might wish for things to be set right, but like the folks who simply quit trying to hook up a pipe to bring Alberta Crude to the US Gulf Coast Refineries, some things are not going to be unbroken. Some things already can't be made right, and that list, and the accompanying enmity will grow for the next 3 1/2 years. How much depends on whether the GOP finds its spine, and whether the elected officials therein even give a damn.

While certainly the Rodents are terrified of the people, they're doing everything ban the private ownership of weapons that can serve the purpose the Founders intended them to serve in the Second Amendment, but that isn't the reason they're hyping that ridiculous show they themselves staged on Jan 6.

First off, they staged that show to shut down any attempts to challenge the false electors to complete their steal of the election.

Second, they admire Hitler's political skill and yet they're not willing to burn down the Capitol...yet.   So the whole game of Political Prisoners and fake panic over their own staged intrusion is a Mini-Me replica of the Reichstag Fire, which was used to great effect by their hero Hitler to ban the other socialist party, the Communists and secure political supremacy for the National Socialists, who were just like the communists but didn't speak Russian.  The Rodents are trying to find a way to destroy the GOP.

That's all this is about.  It's really simple.


And, of course, no.   Electors selected by fraudulent means are still fraudulent even if the legislature pretends they're not.    There's this weird thing about how the state election LAWS are signed into existence by the governor's signature.    And..oh, by the way, there's also that weird thing about how states are supposed to have REPUBLICAN governments, not authoritarian bodies that can set aside laws as convenient to the ruling classes.

But nice try in covering up the steal, but, still a fail.

Again.

You do realize repeating falsehoods don't make them real if you repeat them often, right?
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #111 on: June 16, 2021, 12:59:12 pm »
I'm just being right.

No, you are not.

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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #112 on: June 16, 2021, 03:20:43 pm »
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind, but I was following another book, called "Sarcasm, the Unknown Ideal", by Ayn Rand.

Lighten up, Francis, nobody was discussing any real religious beliefs.  I noted long ago y'all don't have a religion board, and that's just fine.

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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #113 on: June 16, 2021, 03:33:35 pm »
The audits have no legal standing to overturn the 2020 election results.  The results, truthful or not, will be used to justify "restoring" Trump to office by August.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #114 on: June 16, 2021, 04:14:21 pm »
The audits have no legal standing to overturn the 2020 election results.  The results, truthful or not, will be used to justify "restoring" Trump to office by August.

@DefiantMassRINO

It doesn't matter what happens,nothing is going to change the results of the last election. The DNC leadership can go on Prime Time TV and admit they stole the election,and nothing will change.

People can give all sorts of legalistic/Constitutional answers,but it will make no difference whatsoever.

In order for Biden and the DNC leadership and accomplices to go to prison for the most massive fraud in US history,our leadership,Dim,and Alleged Republicans would have to admit our system is failed and corrupt,leaving us in a state of anarchy.

Anarchy may look cool in some movies,but NOBODY sane and over 12 years old wants to see it take over. NOBODY.

Yes,that is EXACTLY the position the DNC leadership and their masters put us all in,AND THEY DID IT DELIBERATELY.

I am sure there MUST be some obscure felony charges that can be brought against the Dim leadership and their international banking masters,but I have no idea what they could be,or who would have the "horsepower" to get THAT particular  "ball" rolling.

Other than Trump,that is. Not even sure HE would want to open THAT can of worms because once that snowball starting rolling down the hill there would be no stopping it,and there would be consequences I for one don't completely understand.

What I DO understand is that sometimes something can be done with the right INTENTIONS,but end up getting the wrong result.

Whoever would be in charge of that government would NOT be in charge of the media or of Steve and Susie Sixpack.

Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it.

Unintended Consequences,and all dat.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #115 on: June 16, 2021, 04:57:05 pm »
The audits have no legal standing to overturn the 2020 election results. 

I do believe we'd been making that point this whole thread, but thanks for the endorsement.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #117 on: June 16, 2021, 05:43:11 pm »
NOW YOU'VE DONE IT!

I really like buttermilk pie, but haven't had in in decades.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #118 on: June 16, 2021, 07:10:51 pm »
I really like buttermilk pie, but haven't had in in decades.

I wondered what that was. Looks a bit like the lemon pies my grandmother used to make.

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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #119 on: June 16, 2021, 08:34:02 pm »
The GOP is not the party leadership.  The GOP is the party MEMBERSHIP.   The members need to kick the leaders out if they leaders are going the wrong way.  No coddling allowed.

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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #120 on: June 16, 2021, 08:37:46 pm »
The audits have no legal standing to overturn the 2020 election results.  The results, truthful or not, will be used to justify "restoring" Trump to office by August.


uh...what? 

Are you saying that the honest results of the audit, proving the electors of AZ were as fraudulent as Obama's birth certificate, will be used by the Americans to ummm...demand Trump's re-instatement?

We both agree there's no mechanism for that. 

What an honest expose of the elections will do is inform people of what they already know, that the election was rigged, and that they need to get their asses out and vote for not-Rodents and hopefully not-RINOs on every election for the rest of their lives, starting in 2021.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #121 on: June 16, 2021, 09:13:15 pm »
Audits go Trump's way,

N   O   T   H   I   N   G

will happen. 

Who will unseat Biden/Harris?

The Democrat controlled House  -  NO!

The Democrat controlled Senate  -  NO!

The corrupt SCOTUS  -  HELL NO!!!!


The corrupt media  -  NO WAY!!!!
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #122 on: June 16, 2021, 09:41:47 pm »
Audits go Trump's way,

N   O   T   H   I   N   G

will happen. 

Who will unseat Biden/Harris?

The Democrat controlled House  -  NO!

The Democrat controlled Senate  -  NO!

The corrupt SCOTUS  -  HELL NO!!!!


The corrupt media  -  NO WAY!!!!

You and I operate under different definitions of "Nothing."
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #123 on: June 16, 2021, 10:44:37 pm »
While certainly the Rodents are terrified of the people, they're doing everything ban the private ownership of weapons that can serve the purpose the Founders intended them to serve in the Second Amendment, but that isn't the reason they're hyping that ridiculous show they themselves staged on Jan 6.

First off, they staged that show to shut down any attempts to challenge the false electors to complete their steal of the election.

Second, they admire Hitler's political skill and yet they're not willing to burn down the Capitol...yet.   So the whole game of Political Prisoners and fake panic over their own staged intrusion is a Mini-Me replica of the Reichstag Fire, which was used to great effect by their hero Hitler to ban the other socialist party, the Communists and secure political supremacy for the National Socialists, who were just like the communists but didn't speak Russian.  The Rodents are trying to find a way to destroy the GOP.

That's all this is about.  It's really simple.


And, of course, no.   Electors selected by fraudulent means are still fraudulent even if the legislature pretends they're not.    There's this weird thing about how the state election LAWS are signed into existence by the governor's signature.    And..oh, by the way, there's also that weird thing about how states are supposed to have REPUBLICAN governments, not authoritarian bodies that can set aside laws as convenient to the ruling classes.

But nice try in covering up the steal, but, still a fail.

Again.

You do realize repeating falsehoods don't make them real if you repeat them often, right?
Before you gibber about me being wrong, kindly point me to the paragraph, article, or clause of the US Constitution that will undo the election in the event fraud is proven.
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Re: What Happens if the Election Audits Go Trump's Way?
« Reply #124 on: June 16, 2021, 10:53:24 pm »


What an honest expose of the elections will do is inform people of what they already know, that the election was rigged, and that they need to get their asses out and vote for not-Rodents and hopefully not-RINOs on every election for the rest of their lives, starting in 2021.
It can do a lot more than that.

It can put criminals in jail.

52 U.S. Code § 20511 - Criminal penalties
U.S. Code

A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office—
(1)knowingly and willfully intimidates, threatens, or coerces, or attempts to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any person for—
(A)registering to vote, or voting, or attempting to register or vote;
(B)urging or aiding any person to register to vote, to vote, or to attempt to register or vote; or
(C)exercising any right under this chapter; or
(2)knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by—
(A)the procurement or submission of voter registration applications that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held; or
(B)the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held,


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/20511
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