BREAKING: Trump to Return to Social Media With His Own Platform Soon

[BassWrangler]

I'll attempt an answer, although I'll probably regret it.

Trump came to the White House an outsider with almost zero beltway connections. He depended almost entirely upon the GOPe for staffing advise for obvious reasons. The same GOPe with a stake in the swamp as it is currently configured.

Its as simple as that. Is he responsible? Yes, after all he was president. Is it unreasonable to cut the guy a break given the conditions he was operating under? I guess whether you are inclined to depends upon where you stand on him personally. Those who don't care for him are happy to slam him for it. Those of us who agreed with most of what he attempted to do policy wise are most apt to forgive some amount of ineptitude.

Personally I think the latter is the more reasonable position to have.

Thanks for the polite and well-reasoned reply. I understand your position, and why it's tempting to forgive the ineptitude; it was great to finally have someone who supports your positions in office, after all.

And I agree it's reasonable to cut him a break... for the first year or two of his administration. But he was having these issues (in fact it got worse) right up until the day he left. And bottom line, as I tell my sons constantly, what matters is results, not excuses.

[skeeter]

Thanks for the polite and well-reasoned reply. I understand your position, and why it's tempting to forgive the ineptitude; it was great to finally have someone who supports your positions in office, after all.

And I agree it's reasonable to cut him a break... for the first year or two of his administration. But he was having these issues (in fact it got worse) right up until the day he left. And bottom line, as I tell my sons constantly, what matters is results, not excuses.

You asked for an explanation and when you get one diminish it an 'excuse'. Perhaps it is this kind of shot that provokes less than polite responses among Trump supporters. Just a tip.

[roamer_1]

Hmmm.....so what you seem to saying is that organization doesn't count for squat since the less organized person won both the primaries...hands down and easily, and the elections, both of them, hands down and easily.

Right... Populism can always take the field. It just can't govern. Governance matters more than getting the lemmings to all go one way.

[Sled Dog]

@Bigun - 100% agree he was a threat to the establishment in Washington. But don't you think he could have been on top of that earlier on - or least getting the message out to the people that this was a problem? I feel like he spent almost his entire presidency reacting to things and struggling with the basics like appointing and retaining good staff.

Trump had no problem appointing his staff.

He had serious problems getting the Rodents and RINOs in the Senate to confirm them.

The same RINO senators that stonewalled Trump's appointments rushed right through for the two previous BHO terms and the present one.

[BassWrangler]

You asked for an explanation and when you get one diminish it an 'excuse'. Perhaps it is this kind of shot that provokes less than polite responses among Trump supporters. Just a tip.

You implied it was an excuse in your comment - "Those of us who agreed with most of what he attempted to do policy wise are most apt to forgive some amount of ineptitude"

Honestly, I've never met a more thin-skinned group of people than the hard-core Trump supporters here. Please just ignore me - I have zero desire to have further conversations with you.

[Sled Dog]

@Bigun
I'll concede your point that whomever the candidate was, the Dems and their establishment buddies would have gone after them like they did Trump. But would that candidate have given the Dems so much ammunition to work with?

No.

The candidates the RINOs and Principled Conservative traitors wanted (Jeb!) would have meekly taken orders from Pelosi and Schumer and the Media and the Rodents would have STILL shredded the wimp.

Trump not only didn't put up with their crap, he called their crap what it is, crap, and all those people with Principles just happen to be susceptible to the Vapors, too.

So screw'em.  How they FEEL is irrelevant.   Trump was damned good and his ownership of his own social media platform means the Rodents won't be able to censor him again.   And thus do the Principled Conservative look forward to another bout of Vaporing.   It's Tony The Tiger Greeeeaaat!



 I would argue the answer to that is: no. Also, another area where I think another candidate would have been different is in the basic leadership skills: attracting, hiring, and retaining good staff being chief among them. Trump failed at this in spectacular fashion.
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[Bigun]

Yes, he is.

Under the laws in effect at the time of his birth, he's a natural born citizen.

Different laws existed when the Kenyan Marxist was spawned in Kenya.   His mother was not old enough to confer citizenship and he was never a natural born US citizen by the laws in effect when he was spawned.   Which is why he had to produce not just one, but two forgeries in lieu of his real birth certificate.

If your citizenship depends on ANY piece of legislation ever enacted you are NOT a "natural born citizen".

I was born in this country of parents (plural) who were citizens when I was born. I am a natural born citizen jus soli and jus sanguinis

[Sled Dog]

None that I know. Cruz was their candidate, and after what Tumpy did to Cruz... Best to leave it at exactly none that I know

And I am still actively meeting with TEA Party folks.

Cruz started to lie and lost my vote.

I went to Trump only after deciding that Cruz wasn't ready for prime time.

[Sled Dog]

If your citizenship depends on ANY piece of legislation ever enacted you are NOT a "natural born citizen".

I was born in this country of parents (plural) who were citizens when I was born. I am a natural born citizen jus soli and jus sanguinis

That's called, in technical terms, bull feces.

It's always been up to Congress to decide what was meant by "natural born citizen" since the term was not defined in the Constitution.

You see that special part in the Constitution that defined what the power of Congress were, Article I, Section 8?   Refer to Clause 4.

[Bigun]

That's called, in technical terms, bull feces.

It's always been up to Congress to decide what was meant by "natural born citizen" since the term was not defined in the Constitution.

You see that special part in the Constitution that defined what the power of Congress were, Article I, Section 8?   Refer to Clause 4.

What I posted is, in technical terms, a FACT. 

The issue has been debated here ad nausea and your side lost!

SCOTUS has never applied the term "natural born citizen" to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens,

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

(A)ll children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

[christian]

As for principles notice, i notice RINOs and NeverTrumpers have nearly the same hardcore principles strangely in alignment with a great many socialist-Communists, and just as determined.  They are highly principled, just alternative with an abandonment of morals on an all to frequent happenstance.  They in league with Biden,will be the death of you, just saying.  Remember despite their being in league with biden, they don't know him.  They wouldn't lie to you, deceive you, con you, anymore that your average democrat!

[skeeter]

You implied it was an excuse in your comment - "Those of us who agreed with most of what he attempted to do policy wise are most apt to forgive some amount of ineptitude"

Honestly, I've never met a more thin-skinned group of people than the hard-core Trump supporters here. Please just ignore me - I have zero desire to have further conversations with you.

Lol holy crap. Thin skinned vs totally lacking in self awareness.

Anyway, your wish is my command.

[Sled Dog]

What I posted is, in technical terms, a FACT. 

Really?

What part of the Constitution defines "natural born citizen"?

If what you said is "fact", then you have some Constitutional citation in substantiation.

Otherwise, it's not a fact, it's a feces.

See where I cited the Constitution?  That established the fact that it's up to Congress to answer questions regarding naturalization.

I cited a FACT, not a feces.

The issue has been debated here ad nausea and your side lost!

Since I wasn't here, I wasn't part of whatever sides existed. 

And since Cruz is a natural born citizen under the law, I have no idea which farmed piled up all that manure for you to stand upon.    You better hope it doesn't rain while you're up there, I hear that stuff loses all shear stiffness when it gets wet.

Since you have, for the first time ever, been informed that it's the CONGRESS that defines matters of naturalization, and in fact, the courts are not supposed to define terms used in law (guess what legislatures exist to do...?), court rulings on the matter aren't particularly relevant.

Next you'll be telling us that birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment is some kind of thing, too, because that's what other Principled Conservatives tell you to believe.

[Bigun]

Really?

What part of the Constitution defines "natural born citizen"?

If what you said is "fact", then you have some Constitutional citation in substantiation.

Otherwise, it's not a fact, it's a feces.

See where I cited the Constitution?  That established the fact that it's up to Congress to answer questions regarding naturalization.

I cited a FACT, not a feces.

Since I wasn't here, I wasn't part of whatever sides existed. 

And since Cruz is a natural born citizen under the law, I have no idea which farmed piled up all that manure for you to stand upon.    You better hope it doesn't rain while you're up there, I hear that stuff loses all shear stiffness when it gets wet.

Since you have, for the first time ever, been informed that it's the CONGRESS that defines matters of naturalization, and in fact, the courts are not supposed to define terms used in law (guess what legislatures exist to do...?), court rulings on the matter aren't particularly relevant.

Next you'll be telling us that birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment is some kind of thing, too, because that's what other Principled Conservatives tell you to believe.

Cruz IS unquestionably a citizen but definitely NOT a natural-born citizen in the manner the founders understood!

St. George Tucker, an early federal judge, wrote in his 1803 edition of William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, perhaps the leading authority for the delegates to the Constitutional Convention for the terms used in the Constitution, that the natural born citizen clause is 'a happy means of security against foreign influence' and that '[t]he admission of foreigners into our councils, consequently, cannot be too much guarded against.' In a footnote, Tucker wrote that naturalized citizens have the same rights as the natural-born except "they are forever incapable of being chosen to the office of president of the United States."

[Sled Dog]

Cruz IS unquestionably a citizen but definitely NOT a natural-born citizen in the manner the founders understood!

Yeah, that's why the Founders left it up to the Congress to define the term in law.

And that law states that since Mrs Cruz was a US citizen at his birth, she had the magic power to declare her vagina US soil for purposes of defining natural citizenship.

Case closed, per the law.

Obama was not and is not a natural born citizen because:

1) he was not born in the US, AND
2) His mother wasn't old enough to have similarly magical vagina, AND
3) He was not raised as a US citizen from birth.  He was raised as a muslim future marxist in Indonesia.

The word "and" has meaning.

Especially when it's capitalized.

AND it's really super important if it's bolded and italicized.   


AND I'm not especially interested in the rantings of a man who claims to be a judge but can't base his arguments on the whole text of the Constitution.   

[roamer_1]

Cruz started to lie and lost my vote.

I went to Trump only after deciding that Cruz wasn't ready for prime time.

I was willing to pull the lever for Cruz - First Republican president I'd have voted for in a looong time.

Tumpy, not so much.

[Wingnut]

I love how a Trump thread took a 280 to a Vagina thread.   Only on The TBR

I want to know if Teds mom had a shaved beaver in Canada or when she came to the USA.

[christian]

As good Communist have long said, you need to get control of terms and change them to mean what you want, it confuses your opponents and lets you get away with a great deal more.  Like NeverTrumpers CONSERVATIVE, what they describe as Conservative probably wouldn't get 10% of the vote, guess who would benefit from that for decades?!  Since democrats started acting like junkyard dogs-no moral restraints they have now gone so far as they no longer want an Constitutional restraints either.  Millions of whites have turned into white guilt fools, spineless and gutless as that is.  People don't want to fight the destruction, they want to accept being dogs and a leash, and whimper and whine now and then in hopes of getting some approval from a p.c.master that loathes them.  Its all so tawdry, sad and pathetic.  Their addiction to lies and liars as well.  Its so easy to seen, demonstrated here regularly.

[Bigun]

Yeah, that's why the Founders left it up to the Congress to define the term in law.

And that law states that since Mrs Cruz was a US citizen at his birth, she had the magic power to declare her vagina US soil for purposes of defining natural citizenship.

Case closed, per the law.

Obama was not and is not a natural born citizen because:

1) he was not born in the US, AND
2) His mother wasn't old enough to have similarly magical vagina, AND
3) He was not raised as a US citizen from birth.  He was raised as a muslim future marxist in Indonesia.

The word "and" has meaning.

Especially when it's capitalized.

AND it's really super important if it's bolded and italicized.   


AND I'm not especially interested in the rantings of a man who claims to be a judge but can't base his arguments on the whole text of the Constitution.

SCOTUS has never applied the term "natural born citizen" to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens,

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

(A)ll children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

And that Judge, St. George Tucker, was never once challenged on his interpretations by any member of the founding era.

[mountaineer]

Okay, how many orders do we need to place?

Buy it here

[Sled Dog]

I was willing to pull the lever for Cruz - First Republican president I'd have voted for in a looong time.

Tumpy, not so much.

That's because Trump was the better candidate, so you didn't like him.

We Americans understand what it means to have "Principles".

And now Trump is going to build himself his own loud-hailer and nobody will be able to take it away from him again.

What a pity, huh?

Only the Americans will want to hear him.

[roamer_1]

That's because Trump was the better candidate, so you didn't like him.

We Americans understand what it means to have "Principles".

Suuure you do...

And now Trump is going to build himself his own loud-hailer and nobody will be able to take it away from him again.

What a pity, huh?

Only the Americans will want to hear him.

Yeah... Go buy some of his steaks while you're at it.

[Sled Dog]

Suuure you do...

I clearly do.


What's wrong with him building a social media platform?   You wouldn't be afraid of it if you thought it was going to fail.

See?

I do know the emotional states of Principled Conservatives (tm)

[roamer_1]

I clearly do.


What's wrong with him building a social media platform?   You wouldn't be afraid of it if you thought it was going to fail.

See?

I do know the emotional states of Principled Conservatives (tm)

Don't care about it one way or the other. I ain't the twitterpated sort.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yes, he is.

Under the laws in effect at the time of his birth, he's a natural born citizen.

Actually @Sled Dog the laws in effect at the time of Cruz's birth make him a naturalized citizen.  No natural born American requires a law for citizenship because he or she is born of the soil and of the blood.  (Born on US soil of two American citizens).

Ted Cruz was neither born of the soil (born in Canada) or of the blood (his father was not a US citizen at the time of Ted's birth).