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« Reply #75 on: April 09, 2021, 03:13:57 am »
I can't believe, people are taking this stuff, willfully!   99.7 % RECOVERY! 

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #76 on: April 09, 2021, 04:26:25 am »
I can't believe, people are taking this stuff, willfully!   99.7 % RECOVERY!
If that number were true, we'd already be at herd immunity. But guess what? People are still getting sick and dying.
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« Reply #77 on: April 09, 2021, 01:34:37 pm »
I am also concerned about any long term affects.  In time we'll know.

I am concerned about the short and long term affects of getting Covid.

A third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders: study
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,433575.msg2408756.html#msg2408756

And it is not the first report of this.
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« Reply #78 on: April 09, 2021, 02:01:11 pm »
"recovery"

I know people who are still recovering a month later.
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« Reply #79 on: April 09, 2021, 02:25:11 pm »
"recovery"

I know people who are still recovering a month later.

 :seeya:

I was released from the hospital in late January. Having to be in bed for two weeks is not trivial, contrary to the trite "99.7% recovery" meme. And I only had to have forced O2, not a ventilator. A FB friend's wife had to be on a ventilator, and on release from the hospital had to go to an assisted living facility for a few weeks due to Covid dementia (temporary, thankfully). For my part, it took 3 or 4 weeks to regain more or less full lung capacity and fairly normal strength and endurance.

My wife didn't have to be hospitalized, though she received one of the mab treatments. She has experienced similar strength and endurance problems, less severe but lasting longer.

I wish people would stop trivializing Covid with the stupid "99.7% recovery" meme. That "99.7% recovery" meme is as stupid as the MSM's PanicPorn.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #80 on: April 09, 2021, 03:17:10 pm »
I am concerned about the short and long term affects of getting Covid.

A third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders: study
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,433575.msg2408756.html#msg2408756

And it is not the first report of this.

Same here.  I think I'll fare better with the vax, than testing fate catching COVID.  Life is an exercise of risk managment,  Just don't understand how people can think they'd be better off catching it versus a tiny tiny fraction who might have a reaction.

For me, two shots, and the only way I noticed it was a sore arm after the first one for two days.   And additonally, the piece of mind knowing my risks going out in public have dropped considerably?  It's like getting out of prison.
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« Reply #81 on: April 09, 2021, 03:22:53 pm »
I'm less opposed to the 'rona vax than I was a few months ago, but considering I haven't been vaccinated for anything since the measles shot in my childhood, still don't see it as essential.

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« Reply #82 on: April 09, 2021, 04:27:08 pm »
Unlike the Passport Sovietizers and Anti-Vaxxers who both want to deny certain peoples' choices, I think people have the right to make their own risk choices.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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« Reply #83 on: April 09, 2021, 05:18:52 pm »
Unlike the Passport Sovietizers and Anti-Vaxxers who both want to deny certain peoples' choices, I think people have the right to make their own risk choices.

Absolutely.  Some people have real health reason for not getting the vaccine.  But "I don't want it" is good enough.
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« Reply #84 on: April 09, 2021, 05:36:15 pm »
I am concerned about the short and long term affects of getting Covid.

A third of COVID survivors suffer neurological or mental disorders: study
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,433575.msg2408756.html#msg2408756

And it is not the first report of this.

Yes I've read and heard about the lasting side effects of COVID.  However, we still don't know if the long term effects of getting the vaccine will cause neurological or mental disorders.

Do you honestly believe that ALL the possible side effects have been disclosed and ALL the adverse  symptoms and side effects people have experienced from the vaccine are being reported?  I definitely don't believe so.

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« Reply #85 on: April 09, 2021, 05:40:37 pm »
Same here.  I think I'll fare better with the vax, than testing fate catching COVID.  Life is an exercise of risk managment,  Just don't understand how people can think they'd be better off catching it versus a tiny tiny fraction who might have a reaction.

For me, two shots, and the only way I noticed it was a sore arm after the first one for two days.   And additonally, the piece of mind knowing my risks going out in public have dropped considerably?  It's like getting out of prison.

Ok, except we still don't know what the long term effects could be. This was a vaccine that has had very little testing; at least not the normal testing that most vaccines go through.  That is my concern.

I've also read that those who have had any prior reactions to medications should avoid the vaccine.  Why?  Those who  have reactions to other meds still get other vaccines, so what is it about the COVID vaccine that makes it different?  Lack of research? Undisclosed reactions  or side effects??  The WHO isn't going to report everything nor will the CDC, that I am absolutely confident in.
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« Reply #86 on: April 09, 2021, 05:48:37 pm »
:seeya:

I was released from the hospital in late January. Having to be in bed for two weeks is not trivial, contrary to the trite "99.7% recovery" meme. And I only had to have forced O2, not a ventilator. A FB friend's wife had to be on a ventilator, and on release from the hospital had to go to an assisted living facility for a few weeks due to Covid dementia (temporary, thankfully). For my part, it took 3 or 4 weeks to regain more or less full lung capacity and fairly normal strength and endurance.

My wife didn't have to be hospitalized, though she received one of the mab treatments. She has experienced similar strength and endurance problems, less severe but lasting longer.

I wish people would stop trivializing Covid with the stupid "99.7% recovery" meme. That "99.7% recovery" meme is as stupid as the MSM's PanicPorn.

Well, then, what IS the recovery rate?  I've been looking at the FL Dept. of Health and they list how many people have been tested and how many people have tested positive as well as hospitalization rates. I have yet to find information on how many people have tested positive and have recovered.  Only deaths.  Nor can I find information on how many people tested positive but weren't symptomatic. 

Either the information isn't recorded, actually not known, or the CDC and WHO don't want you to know those stats.
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« Reply #87 on: April 09, 2021, 05:56:02 pm »
Do you honestly believe that ALL the possible side effects have been disclosed and ALL the adverse  symptoms and side effects people have experienced from the vaccine are being reported?  I definitely don't believe so.

I do not believe all long term impacts of either the virus or vaccine are well known at this point.

We do know that the virus attacks cells supporting nerves for sense of smell and taste.  It is a common effect of the virus impacting 80% of those infected.

Do you believe those are the only cells supporting only those nerves?
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« Reply #88 on: April 09, 2021, 06:10:15 pm »
Yes I've read and heard about the lasting side effects of COVID.  However, we still don't know if the long term effects of getting the vaccine will cause neurological or mental disorders.

Do you honestly believe that ALL the possible side effects have been disclosed and ALL the adverse  symptoms and side effects people have experienced from the vaccine are being reported?  I definitely don't believe so.
Naah....the vaccines won't cause any mental disorders.  Look at @Wingnut he's perfectly fine.   happy77

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« Reply #89 on: April 09, 2021, 06:26:36 pm »
Well, then, what IS the recovery rate?  I've been looking at the FL Dept. of Health and they list how many people have been tested and how many people have tested positive as well as hospitalization rates. I have yet to find information on how many people have tested positive and have recovered.  Only deaths.  Nor can I find information on how many people tested positive but weren't symptomatic. 

Either the information isn't recorded, actually not known, or the CDC and WHO don't want you to know those stats.
In North Dakota, 1222 deaths due solely to COVID, 101,835 recovered from the virus. That is a 1.18% death rate. Add in the people who dies with COVID and not solely from it, If you add in those who died of COVID and With COVID, the total goes to 1468 deaths 101,835 recovered, for a death rate of 1.42 percent.

Of 420,352 unique individuals tested, the positivity rate is 24.86%, for some 55% of the total population of 762,062 people.
Source: https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases

That does not account for the people who went down to the feed store and bought a tube of Ivermectin (<$5) and chased a daily dose with zinc and vitamin C and maybe an antibiotic for 3 or four days (I know two people who did just that and recovered in less than a week), or who just didn't get tested if they were sick.
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« Reply #90 on: April 09, 2021, 06:38:04 pm »
Ok, except we still don't know what the long term effects could be. This was a vaccine that has had very little testing; at least not the normal testing that most vaccines go through.  That is my concern.

I've also read that those who have had any prior reactions to medications should avoid the vaccine.  Why?  Those who  have reactions to other meds still get other vaccines, so what is it about the COVID vaccine that makes it different?  Lack of research? Undisclosed reactions  or side effects??  The WHO isn't going to report everything nor will the CDC, that I am absolutely confident in.

We are not that far off in thinking.  In my case, I have never had anything remotely like a reaction with a med.  OTOH, I do have a couple of preexisting condtions that make me susceptible to adverse COVID-19 impacts.  Like I said, we all have to become educated with prcess, evaluate the risks, and make decisons accordingly. 

As far as I am concerned, my circumstances, plus the freedom of avoiding the disease makes that an easy decison.   Anyone forcing the issue one way or the other is doing a disservice to all.
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« Reply #91 on: April 09, 2021, 07:16:24 pm »
In my case, I have never had anything remotely like a reaction with a med.  OTOH, I do have a couple of preexisting condtions that make me susceptible to adverse COVID-19 impacts.  Like I said, we all have to become educated with prcess, evaluate the risks, and make decisons accordingly.  As far as I am concerned, my circumstances, plus the freedom of avoiding the disease makes that an easy decison.   Anyone forcing the issue one way or the other is doing a disservice to all.
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catfish, I am allergic to the binder in the vaccines - Polyethylene glycol.  No doctor would give me a flu shot after I had one a number of years ago, and arm swelled, turned red, had fever and in bed for three days.  Also had tetanus shot and same thing happened.  Told never to have one again.  Penicillin shot did the same.  Only antibiotic doctor will give me is Cipro.  A few years ago, I went to doc for regular check-up and he said there is a NEW pneumonia shot and you can have it!  I got the shot with no problem from it; it did not have that binder.

Now, a week or two ago, with these shots with the same binder, a man had the same problem I do with the binder, did have the shot and his skin peeled off.  Doc told me not to leave the house and later told my Bob not to let me out of the house where people were.

People want to see me back in church, keep telling me to go so they can see me there.  I will not go.  If I got the virus from going, my friends would say something like this, "Gee, I did not think she would get it."  That's fine for them to say, but I would still have it.
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Growing number of clinics pause J&J vaccines after reports of 'adverse' reactions; CDC finds no safety issues
Clinics in Georgia, Colorado also paused operations over reported side effects

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« Reply #93 on: April 09, 2021, 07:41:34 pm »
Well, then, what IS the recovery rate?  I've been looking at the FL Dept. of Health and they list how many people have been tested and how many people have tested positive as well as hospitalization rates. I have yet to find information on how many people have tested positive and have recovered.  Only deaths.  Nor can I find information on how many people tested positive but weren't symptomatic. 

Either the information isn't recorded, actually not known, or the CDC and WHO don't want you to know those stats.

If you read my post, you'll find that I did not question the "99.7%" figure. My point was that Covid is much more complicated and un-trivial than simply dying or surviving.
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« Reply #94 on: April 09, 2021, 07:44:54 pm »
Naah....the vaccines won't cause any mental disorders.  Look at @Wingnut he's perfectly fine.   happy77

Speaking of @Wingnut ???  Where is he these days??   Hopefully not ill with COVID.
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catfish, I am allergic to the binder in the vaccines - Polyethylene glycol.  No doctor would give me a flu shot after I had one a number of years ago, and arm swelled, turned red, had fever and in bed for three days.  Also had tetanus shot and same thing happened.  Told never to have one again.  Penicillin shot did the same.  Only antibiotic doctor will give me is Cipro.  A few years ago, I went to doc for regular check-up and he said there is a NEW pneumonia shot and you can have it!  I got the shot with no problem from it; it did not have that binder.

Now, a week or two ago, with these shots with the same binder, a man had the same problem I do with the binder, did have the shot and his skin peeled off.  Doc told me not to leave the house and later told my Bob not to let me out of the house where people were.
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PEG is a widely used non-active ingredient in vaccines and other medications. It is the prime suspect in the reported allergic reactions to the various vaccines in wide use in the US and EuroLand (J&J, Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca).
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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« Reply #96 on: April 09, 2021, 07:47:49 pm »
In North Dakota, 1222 deaths due solely to COVID, 101,835 recovered from the virus. That is a 1.18% death rate. Add in the people who dies with COVID and not solely from it, If you add in those who died of COVID and With COVID, the total goes to 1468 deaths 101,835 recovered, for a death rate of 1.42 percent.

Of 420,352 unique individuals tested, the positivity rate is 24.86%, for some 55% of the total population of 762,062 people.
Source: https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases

That does not account for the people who went down to the feed store and bought a tube of Ivermectin (<$5) and chased a daily dose with zinc and vitamin C and maybe an antibiotic for 3 or four days (I know two people who did just that and recovered in less than a week), or who just didn't get tested if they were sick.

I keep reading about Ivermectin as a very good treatment.  Good to know that it can be purchased at a local feed store, we have one just several blocks away from us.  Have zinc in our multi vitamins and have extra C on hand and some antibiotics that I've never used.
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« Reply #97 on: April 09, 2021, 07:53:50 pm »
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catfish, I am allergic to the binder in the vaccines - Polyethylene glycol.  No doctor would give me a flu shot after I had one a number of years ago, and arm swelled, turned red, had fever and in bed for three days.  Also had tetanus shot and same thing happened.  Told never to have one again.  Penicillin shot did the same.  Only antibiotic doctor will give me is Cipro.  A few years ago, I went to doc for regular check-up and he said there is a NEW pneumonia shot and you can have it!  I got the shot with no problem from it; it did not have that binder.

Now, a week or two ago, with these shots with the same binder, a man had the same problem I do with the binder, did have the shot and his skin peeled off.  Doc told me not to leave the house and later told my Bob not to let me out of the house where people were.

People want to see me back in church, keep telling me to go so they can see me there.  I will not go.  If I got the virus from going, my friends would say something like this, "Gee, I did not think she would get it."  That's fine for them to say, but I would still have it.

Interesting.  So it's the binding agent that you're allergic to. I wonder what binding agent(s) they are using in the COVID vaccines and if they are all using the same one.

Have read countless articles of research about binding agents in the MMR vaccine being responsible for some cases of autism.  It's been awhile, so, I would assume that perhaps the binding agent has been changed.  I know that the binding agents in the flu vaccines have been changed a couple of times.
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« Reply #98 on: April 09, 2021, 07:55:20 pm »
I keep reading about Ivermectin as a very good treatment.  Good to know that it can be purchased at a local feed store, we have one just several blocks away from us.  Have zinc in our multi vitamins and have extra C on hand and some antibiotics that I've never used.
If you need some Ivermectin you'd better go ahead and buy it to have it on hand.  It's flying off the shelves.  I had a friend give me some, just in case.

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« Reply #99 on: April 09, 2021, 07:59:06 pm »
If you need some Ivermectin you'd better go ahead and buy it to have it on hand.  It's flying off the shelves.  I had a friend give me some, just in case.

I bet you're right, I didn't think about availability.  We have a couple of other feeds stores several miles away too., but I should venture out and get some.
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