GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers

[DB]

If Trump were the answer, we wouldn't be where we are now. He had his shot.

A simple point of fact. Excuses doesn't change that fact.

If the country's course is going to be changed for the better in any long term way, it won't be through Trump. And the sooner people start realizing that the sooner we can try something that will work - smaller government with less authority over our lives. The biggest increase of control over our lives occurred under Trump's leadership over the last year. The economic destruction far exceeds what any war has done going back to at least WWII. As a populist he blew with the wind. A principled leader would have put the constitution he/she swore to uphold first.

It is time to move on from Trump.

[DB]

Theodore Roosevelt:

How can any of us escape the arena? We all continue to be ground down by the burden of ever expanding government.

[roamer_1]

You are no more conservative than myself nor most of those here on this site. The ONLY difference is that most of us understand we live in a Republic and cannot simply impose all that we want...we have to gain popular support, make politically wise and strategic moves, and...gads...sometimes compromise as Reagan advocated to get the 80% conservative solution.

You have not got 80% of ANYTHING in 30 friggin years. You have not won the field on a single damn thing. You have lost ground over and over and over.

That ain't fighting. That's compromising with the devil. Go ahead and hang together... And keep selling that same ol bullcrap that has not won anything ever.

You won't get any help from me. Not till you Show me the Damn Money. SPIT.
You see this last four years as some sort of great performance. I don't see sh*t. Not a single win. I see fecklessness and bullshit. Just like always.

So no.

[Cyber Liberty]

How can any of us escape the arena? We all continue to be ground down by the burden of ever expanding government.

It's easy to cloister oneself away from the rest of the population and sling brickbats at those trying to win. 

[roamer_1]

It's easy to cloister oneself away from the rest of the population and sling brickbats at those trying to win.

No it is not. The herd demands you join them as a mighty cattle stampede.

And you're branded a traitor for not following the populist lemmings over the cliff

And maybe those brickbats are  meant to turn the herd.

WIN friggin WHAT?

[Cyber Liberty]

No it is not. The herd demands you join them as a mighty cattle stampede.

And you're branded a traitor for not following the populist lemmings over the cliff

And maybe those brickbats are  meant to turn the herd.

WIN friggin WHAT?

A thousand-post Topic that got liberty nowhere.  Nobody wins, just like what happens to crabs in a barrel.

[DB]

It's easy to cloister oneself away from the rest of the population and sling brickbats at those trying to win.

I don't see how fighting for a different slave master leads to winning. Both major parties are corrupt to their core and serve only their own masters. Some masters may throw more bread crumbs than others but slaves they remain.

[sneakypete]

It's easy to cloister oneself away from the rest of the population and sling brickbats at those trying to win.

@Cyber Liberty

  x 100!

[roamer_1]

A thousand-post Topic that got liberty nowhere.  Nobody wins, just like what happens to crabs in a barrel.

Right. Because the lion's share go chasing after bumperstickers and one-liners and don't really expect performance.

SERIOUSLY DUDE. I was thus accused EXACTLY for not voting for John Friggin McCain't And Romulous. The very same tired old bullcrap arguments as are falling out of @Mesaclone 's mouth RIGHT NOW.

Y'all forget too fast how each of them were ALSO painted as sainted conservatives. And their accolytes speak the very same as Tumpy's.

Standing here where I always have, I can tell you, it is exactly the same. And it has NOTHING to do with winning for Conservatives.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't see how fighting for a different slave master leads to winning. Both major parties are corrupt to their core and serve only their own masters. Some masters may throw more bread crumbs than others but slaves they remain.

Well, if both parties are no different from each other, how would you suggest going forward?  Third Parties have been tried since 1789, and only the Republicans managed to pull it off, and that was over a century and a half ago.

Otherwise, the only option is the Holler, and very few of us can exercise that option.

Pushing a thousand posts, and not a single mind was changed in either direction.  It's disappointing.  But, I can control what I do, and I'm not giving up so easily.

[roamer_1]

Otherwise, the only option is the Holler, and very few of us can exercise that option.

Pushing a thousand posts, and not a single mind was changed in either direction.  It's disappointing.  But, I can control what I do, and I'm not giving up so easily.

Neither am I. And I resent your joining that common accusation.

[Cyber Liberty]

Right. Because the lion's share go chasing after bumperstickers and one-liners and don't really expect performance.

SERIOUSLY DUDE. I was thus accused EXACTLY for not voting for John Friggin McCain't And Romulous. The very same tired old bullcrap arguments as are falling out of @Mesaclone 's mouth RIGHT NOW.

Y'all forget too fast how each of them were ALSO painted as sainted conservatives. And their accolytes speak the very same as Tumpy's.

Standing here where I always have, I can tell you, it is exactly the same. And it has NOTHING to do with winning for Conservatives.

Crab Mentality

[Cyber Liberty]

Neither am I. And I resent your joining that common accusation.

Sorry, did not mean to do that.   

[skeeter]

I don't see how fighting for a different slave master leads to winning. Both major parties are corrupt to their core and serve only their own masters. Some masters may throw more bread crumbs than others but slaves they remain.

I don't see how anyone can't see the difference between what Trump was doing, how both parties reacted to it, and whats happening now.

[Mesaclone]

Right. Because the lion's share go chasing after bumperstickers and one-liners and don't really expect performance.

SERIOUSLY DUDE. I was thus accused EXACTLY for not voting for John Friggin McCain't And Romulous. Maybe you should ponder how McCain and Romney despised Trump for being SO YUGELY different from them in philosophy and governance.The very same tired old bullcrap arguments as are falling out of @Mesaclone 's mouth RIGHT NOW. No. Not the same at all. Trump is the anti-Romney and anti-McCain. How can you be so blind as not to see that...its almost prima facie.

Y'all forget too fast how each of them were ALSO painted as sainted conservatives. And their accolytes speak the very same as Tumpy's. Its the denizens of McCain/Romney who drive your NeverTrump movement...my god...these are your closest allies. Trump is the antithesis of everything those two stand for and they hate him for it.

Standing here where I always have, I can tell you, it is exactly the same. And it has NOTHING to do with winning for Conservatives.MAGA folks are no less principled and staunchly conservative than yourself...you are deluding yourself in a very self aggrandizing way if you believe that. I respect your beliefs...in part because I and nearly every MAGA supporter hold the same beliefs. Where we part with you is HOW we actuate those beliefs in a way that actually gets them into legislation and governance.

[roamer_1]

Crab Mentality

Truth

[roamer_1]

I don't see how anyone can't see the difference between what Trump was doing, how both parties reacted to it, to whats happening now.

No wins. The ball moved LEFT, The power of the federal state GREW. And tens of trillions of dollars of our treasure was taken.

What am I missing?

[Absalom]

@Absalom

Nobody really give a flip about what you think,Princess.

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Yet you read and comment .....????
Obviously desperate for any attention.

[bigheadfred]

No wins. The ball moved LEFT, The power of the federal state GREW. And tens of trillions of dollars of our treasure was taken.

What am I missing?

ah just wait there will plenty more gone missing

[Right_in_Virginia]

What leads to tyranny is big government. PERIOD. Y'all just think you can do big government better than the democrats. You  can't. Yours is a caricature of conservatism, not the real thing.

@Mesaclone   I don't know if you followed the debate on the accomplishments of Ronald Reagan.  But @roamer_1 was absolutely adamant that it was okay President Reagan grew the size of government and blew the lid off the national debt.  He proved that the principle in principled conservatism is fiscal responsibility is fluid, depending not on the reason, but on the President incurring the debt.

Roamer proved his ilk are, at best, hypocrites, at worst, flat out liars.  IMHO, trolls should be on an enforced hunger strike.

[roamer_1]

Maybe you should ponder how McCain and Romney despised Trump for being SO YUGELY different from them in philosophy and governance.

Theater.

No. Not the same at all. Trump is the anti-Romney and anti-McCain. How can you be so blind as not to see that...its almost prima facie.

YES it is exactly the same.

Its the denizens of McCain/Romney who drive your NeverTrump movement...my god...these are your closest allies. Trump is the antithesis of everything those two stand for and they hate him for it.

Nice try at guilt by association. I am in NO movement. I have lent impetus to NO ONE. I am AGAINST ALL SIDES. I have no dog in this hunt.

MAGA folks are no less principled and staunchly conservative than yourself...you are deluding yourself in a very self aggrandizing way if you believe that. I respect your beliefs...in part because I and nearly every MAGA supporter hold the same beliefs. Where we part with you is HOW we actuate those beliefs in a way that actually gets them into legislation and governance.

I don't accuse anyone. All I do is hold up the things we are supposed to AGREE on, and the promise to support ALL of it. That I Laugh outright at the hubris of calling Tumpy's movement Conservative is fair game, and TRUE. NOTHING Conservative came out of it. Just like every other hyphenated conservatism. No exceptions.

[roamer_1]

@Mesaclone   I don't know if you followed the debate on the accomplishments of Ronald Reagan.  But @roamer_1 was absolutely adamant that it was okay President Reagan grew the size of government and blew the lid off the national debt.  He proved that the principle in principled conservatism is fiscal responsibility is fluid, depending not on the reason, but on the President incurring the debt.

Roamer proved his ilk are, at best, hypocrites, at worst, flat out liars.  IMHO, trolls should be on an enforced hunger strike.

No I was not in favor of it. You are putting words in my mouth.

[roamer_1]

ah just wait there will plenty more gone missing

Oh you damn betcha.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The power of the federal state GREW. And tens of trillions of dollars of our treasure was taken.  What am I missing?

That all of this    is perfectly okay with you if Ronald Reagan's signing the rubber checks, growing the government and blowing the lid off our national debt..

Your principled conservative schtick is over.  Hypocrite.

[skeeter]

No wins. The ball moved LEFT, The power of the federal state GREW. And tens of trillions of dollars of our treasure was taken.

What am I missing?

You widen your criticism from Trump to include the GOP and then the rat congress to suit your argument. I have nothing good to say about the GOP nor the rat congress yet as president Trump did pretty damn well.