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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #700 on: March 19, 2021, 05:21:15 pm »
You are making the point I've been insisting on myself:  A "venue to present it" has been consistently denied because of "Standing."

We had this talk just the same way a while back. I WILL say I am not willing to paint everybody the way y'all have as a corner to corner conspiracy to 'get Tumpy'... That sorta martyr thinking is designed. I think if you fall for it your mind shuts off.

But yeah - It AIN'T proven in the court of public opinion. Nothing ever is. The only way it does ANYTHING is in a court of law.

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You are also trying to make the "Jazzhead" case that since no evidence was produced in a Federal Court, then it doesn't exist at all.  That's a specious argument.   :shrug:

I will likely agree with Jazz on that, but maybe for a different reason. My problem is discerning facts among the myriad of gossip-mongers. Even what you think you know may not be true. So relying on the worm-tongues just because they are saying what you want to hear is always a bad move.

Until fact has been established - And fact is established in court - It may as well not exist at all. This sh*t ain't healthy.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #701 on: March 19, 2021, 05:26:28 pm »
We had this talk just the same way a while back. I WILL say I am not willing to paint everybody the way y'all have as a corner to corner conspiracy to 'get Tumpy'... That sorta martyr thinking is designed. I think if you fall for it your mind shuts off.

But yeah - It AIN'T proven in the court of public opinion. Nothing ever is. The only way it does ANYTHING is in a court of law.

I will likely agree with Jazz on that, but maybe for a different reason. My problem is discerning facts among the myriad of gossip-mongers. Even what you think you know may not be true. So relying on the worm-tongues just because they are saying what you want to hear is always a bad move.

Until fact has been established - And fact is established in court - It may as well not exist at all. This sh*t ain't healthy.

Then we probably never agree on this.  :shrug:

That's OK, we still agree on a whole lot more things.   :beer: :beer:
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #702 on: March 19, 2021, 08:26:23 pm »
Actually, the first KIA of the war were Daniel Hough and Edward Galloway,  who were killed when a spark from the salute to the flag exploded a pile of cartridges when the fort was evacuated after heavy fire from criminals on the mainland shore.

They weren't killed specifically by the criminals of South Carolina, no, but they wouldn't have fired the gun in salute if they hadn't been forced to evacuate the fort, either.
Friendly fire and accidents don't count. They don't get you a purple heart either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_riot_of_1861
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #703 on: March 20, 2021, 01:07:14 am »
Friendly fire and accidents don't count. They don't get you a purple heart either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_riot_of_1861

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Well,that depends of if you are an officer or enlisted swine,and who you are related to,doesn't it?

John Wayne Kerry being a prime example of both.

 Do YOU know of anyone else that wrote themselves up for a Silver Star,used their temporary position as acting commander to endorse it,and then got the award?

Even that Mad Hatter,Dugout Doug,got the Medal of Honor he put himself in for turned down. Turns out fleeing your command in the Philipines in the dark of night in a PT boat doesn't count as MoH worthy.

Hooda guessed?
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #704 on: March 20, 2021, 04:18:49 am »
[quote author=Bass Wrangler link=topic=430858.msg2392427#msg2392427 date=1615165028

 I commend his sticking with his campaign promises, and his clear love for the country, but in every other way his administration was a complete failure. His only legacy is that he handed the country over to America's enemies.
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Clear love for the country................???????
Trump is simply an ignorant and self-absorbed Narcissist in the mold of Jones
and Koresh, infatuated w/himself since the womb; as his Mother well knew.
His destiny is hard prison time for tax fraud involving tens of millions.
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« Reply #705 on: March 20, 2021, 05:42:55 am »
[quote author=Bass Wrangler link=topic=430858.msg2392427#msg2392427 date=1615165028

 I commend his sticking with his campaign promises, and his clear love for the country, but in every other way his administration was a complete failure. His only legacy is that he handed the country over to America's enemies.

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Clear love for the country................???????
Trump is simply an ignorant and self-absorbed Narcissist in the mold of Jones
and Koresh, infatuated w/himself since the womb; as his Mother well knew.
His destiny is hard prison time for tax fraud involving tens of millions.
Write it down!

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #706 on: March 20, 2021, 03:20:24 pm »
[quote author=Bass Wrangler link=topic=430858.msg2392427#msg2392427 date=1615165028

 I commend his sticking with his campaign promises, and his clear love for the country, but in every other way his administration was a complete failure. His only legacy is that he handed the country over to America's enemies.

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Clear love for the country................???????
Trump is simply an ignorant and self-absorbed Narcissist in the mold of Jones
and Koresh, infatuated w/himself since the womb; as his Mother well knew.
His destiny is hard prison time for tax fraud involving tens of millions.
Write it down!

No, that would be the RINO's and NT's who failed to support him....that's who "handed this country over to America's enemies". It was people like YOU who betrayed us all and lifted up the Left to its current position...we went into battle against these folks and you either ignored the call, to duty, hid from the fight, and/or deserted us in the heat of battle to sustain your own self serving sense of "purity". The gall you have to come here and blame Trump, your fellow conservatives, and the MAGA movement is absolutely astounding. Physician...heal thyself.
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« Reply #707 on: March 20, 2021, 03:21:47 pm »
No, that would be the RINO's and NT's who failed to support him....that's who "handed this country over to America's enemies". It was people like YOU who betrayed us all and lifted up the Left to its current position...we went into battle against these folks and you either ignored the call to duty and/or deserted us in the heat of battle to sustain your own "purity". The gall you have to come here and blame Trump, your fellow conservatives, and the MAGA movement is absolutely astounding. Physician...heal thyself.

Riiight. Always with the excuses...

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« Reply #708 on: March 20, 2021, 03:38:02 pm »
Riiight. Always with the excuses...

Isn't that what Benedict Arnold told George in a letter after he took HIS ball and ran to the other side? Or was that Quisling...not sure which.

If you are an NT you're generally no Brutus...self interested rather than noble of heart, you've likely goy more in common with Ephialtes of Trachis. Its as if the Spartans were to blame for the Persians circling behind them on the hidden path...at least, that's the version of events as painted by NeverTrumpers.

But don't worry roamer...I put you as the exception. You ARE a Brutus...you believe you are doing the honorable thing, even if its certain to lead to worse tyranny and oppression.
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« Reply #709 on: March 20, 2021, 03:56:17 pm »
Isn't that what Benedict Arnold told George in a letter after he took HIS ball and ran to the other side? Or was that Quisling...not sure which.

If you are an NT you're generally no Brutus...self interested rather than noble of heart, you've likely goy more in common with Ephialtes of Trachis. Its as if the Spartans were to blame for the Persians circling behind them on the hidden path...at least, that's the version of events as painted by NeverTrumpers.

But don't worry roamer...I put you as the exception. You ARE a Brutus...you believe you are doing the honorable thing, even if its certain to lead to worse tyranny and oppression.

What leads to tyranny is big government. PERIOD. Y'all just think you can do big government better than the democrats. You  can't. Yours is a caricature of conservatism, not the real thing.

I drink my liberty cold and raw out of mountain streams. You're damn right I will fight for liberty.
That is not what you are doing.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #710 on: March 20, 2021, 04:17:28 pm »
What leads to tyranny is big government. PERIOD. Y'all just think you can do big government better than the democrats. You  can't. Yours is a caricature of conservatism, not the real thing.

I drink my liberty cold and raw out of mountain streams. You're damn right I will fight for liberty.
That is not what you are doing.

"Not participating" != "Fighting for liberty"

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« Reply #711 on: March 20, 2021, 04:18:13 pm »
What leads to tyranny is big government. PERIOD. Y'all just think you can do big government better than the democrats. You  can't. Yours is a caricature of conservatism, not the real thing.

I drink my liberty cold and raw out of mountain streams. You're damn right I will fight for liberty.
That is not what you are doing.

That's just so simplistic...and in great part...quite wrong. Tyranny's have arisen MANY times from anarchy and inept government...moreso than from some "big government" situation. The Czar's in Russia were actually holding quite loosely on to most of the nation...though oppressive in the big cities...when the country spun apart.  Weimar was failed and incompetent, but calling it big government would be a terrible misnomer...as another modern example. The new oppressors always BECOME big government, but not through some evolution from what preceded them. And for the record, everyone here opposes big government as a concept.

And your "liberty stream" is drying up because you've facilitated the Left's assumption of power. The REST of us have been fighting alongside the MAGA movement and President Trump for liberty and to sustain that stream...you've done...well...nothing but undermine that movement. I get that you do so out of good intentions...but we all know where good intentions get us when not coupled with wisdom and common sense. Nowhere.

I fight for small government, I believe in making as much of government local as can be done, I fight for liberty and every inch of the Bill of Rights...hell...I fight for fiscal restraint. What I don't do is take a position that would politically destroy conservatism...say...instantaneously expecting a balanced budget and paydown of our debt. Such an effort would lead to generations of liberal supremacy in our political system and decades of exponentially worse fiscal policies...balancing the budget has to be a long term process, not an instantaneous imposition as you wish it to be.

Can you name even ONE Republican "potential" candidate who is perfect enough to garner your support in 2024? Its so easy to sit on the sidelines and point out the flaws, and much harder to back a horse and have a stake in the outcome. You've done nothing but the former and none of the latter...all while sitting in an ivory cabin condemning fellow conservatives for not being pure enough. THAT is the problem with conservatism as a movement...too many of us lack the foresight and wisdom to understand that, when the Huns are pounding at your gates, you don't quibble with each other about rearranging the furniture.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #712 on: March 20, 2021, 04:19:42 pm »
No, that would be the RINO's and NT's who failed to support him....that's who "handed this country over to America's enemies". It was people like YOU who betrayed us all and lifted up the Left to its current position...we went into battle against these folks and you either ignored the call, to duty, hid from the fight, and/or deserted us in the heat of battle to sustain your own self serving sense of "purity". The gall you have to come here and blame Trump, your fellow conservatives, and the MAGA movement is absolutely astounding. Physician...heal thyself.

The betrayal is voting for people that do not have the principles nor skills to lead our country. This IS the result. Trump has always been just a different flavor of big government. Trump is a populist that blows with the wind. It is as simple as demanding that private healthcare insurance cover preexisting conditions. There is nothing constitutional or conservative about that. It contradicts the very definition of insurance. It is simply another massive top down entitlement program with the mirage of being private sector.

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« Reply #713 on: March 20, 2021, 04:22:37 pm »
"Not participating" != "Fighting for liberty"

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Participating in a caricature != 'Fighting for Liberty'

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #714 on: March 20, 2021, 04:26:32 pm »
Participating in a caricature != 'Fighting for Liberty'

 :shrug:

I prefer mine.  Less gobbledegook. 
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« Reply #715 on: March 20, 2021, 04:27:21 pm »
The betrayal is voting for people that do not have the principles nor skills to lead our country. This IS the result. Trump has always been just a different flavor of big government. The great lie of the NT's. Trump is a populist that blows with the wind. It is as simple as demanding that private healthcare insurance cover preexisting conditions. There is nothing constitutional or conservative about that. It contradicts the very definition of insurance. It is simply another massive top down entitlement program with the mirage of being private sector.

Trump certainly is a populist in the sense he draws people who are naturally conservative....blue collar workers, small town folks, rural citizens, escapees from communism (Cubans)...into a powerful coalition that opposes the rising socialism and woke-ism that is pervading the Left. He is also someone who is skilled at motivating people to vote, rally and fight for conservative issues. How horribly populist! He also is a man who governed as conservatively, in terms of policy, as any president in our lifetimes...rivaled ONLY by the great Ronald Reagan.

So no, the MAGA movement embodies all of the traditional positions of conservatism...calling that a betrayal is just another bitter lie of an NT movement that is filled with RINO's (Romneys-Bushes-Cheneys), bitter losers (McCains), and purists who want an entire conservative agenda imposed via fiat in an instant (idiotically impossible). The MAGA movement fights to get every single conservative issue implemented as policy...and it understands that is not an instantaneous process...it takes political will and skill.

Ask yourself this...why does the Left LOVE NeverTrumpers (you fellas, Romney, Bush, Cheney, McCain, etcetera) and their movement....and despise MAGA and President Trump?
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« Reply #716 on: March 20, 2021, 04:31:49 pm »
Participating in a caricature != 'Fighting for Liberty'

 :shrug:

The applicable caricature here is Gabby Hayes ranting in his mountain cabin about the "gubmint" while doing nothing.
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« Reply #717 on: March 20, 2021, 04:39:06 pm »
That's just so simplistic...and in great part...quite wrong. Tyranny's have arisen MANY times from anarchy and inept government...moreso than from some "big government" situation. The Czar's in Russia were actually holding quite loosely on to most of the nation...though oppressive in the big cities...when the country spun apart.  Weimar was failed and incompetent, but calling it big government would be a terrible misnomer...as another modern example. The new oppressors always BECOME big government, but not through some evolution from what preceded them. And for the record, everyone here opposes big government as a concept.

Nah. A small government is scared of its subjects. A big government enslaves its subjects. The government that is big enough to 'help' is big enough to enslave. And it will. Conservatism 101.

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And your "liberty stream" is drying up because you've facilitated the Left's assumption of power. The REST of us have been fighting alongside the MAGA movement and President Trump for liberty and to sustain that stream...you've done...well...nothing but undermine that movement. I get that you do so out of good intentions...but we all know where good intentions get us when not coupled with wisdom and common sense. Nowhere.

I have facilitated nothing. And you have sustained nothing. And I get that what you do, you do with the best of intentions... But then, don't they all. The bottom line:

You got nothing. Government GREW. Government went LEFT. And it cost tens of trillions.
And you wonder why I will not support that.

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I fight for small government, I believe in making as much of government local as can be done, I fight for liberty and every inch of the Bill of Rights...hell...I fight for fiscal restraint. What I don't do is take a position that would politically destroy conservatism...say...instantaneously expecting a balanced budget and paydown of our debt. Such an effort would lead to generations of liberal supremacy in our political system and decades of exponentially worse fiscal policies...balancing the budget has to be a long term process, not an instantaneous imposition as you wish it to be.

I don't expect anything instantaneous. But I expect it to go in the right direction.
I DO expect a budget. I DO expect that budget to be balanced. I DO expect debt to be addressed.
None of that happened.
Throw the paper to the wind and start printing money. That'll fix it.

That ain't fighting for anything.

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Can you name even ONE Republican "potential" candidate who is perfect enough to garner your support in 2024? Its so easy to sit on the sidelines and point out the flaws, and much harder to back a horse and have a stake in the outcome. You've done nothing but the former and none of the latter...all while sitting in an ivory cabin condemning fellow conservatives for not being pure enough. THAT is the problem with conservatism as a movement...too many of us lack the foresight and wisdom to understand that, when the Huns are pounding at your gates, you don't quibble with each other about rearranging the furniture.

I would have voted for Cruz. I would vote for Rand Paul off the cuff, probably Cotton too. And there you go again spouting bullshit lines about perfection/purity.

Where I stand is upon the STANDARD of political Conservatism. it is the standard Standard. It is what we ALL agreed to fight together to support. The only people claiming that to be unattainable are those who don't want it in the first place.


And the Huns ain't the problem. There's a gate between us and them.

It's the Republicans that are the problem. THEY are the ones claiming to defend, that don't defend a single damn thing. Which leads to the dilemma of the OP.

HEAR ME:
Liberalism is not winning on its merit - It has no merit.
Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.

Think that through.

Y'all ain't no damn different than any other hyphenated Conservatism.
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« Reply #718 on: March 20, 2021, 04:44:00 pm »
I prefer mine.  Less gobbledegook.

Meh.

'Unity in being deceived' is not the sort of thing I do. If you want unity from principled Conservatives that ain't how.

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« Reply #719 on: March 20, 2021, 04:45:07 pm »
The betrayal is voting for people that do not have the principles nor skills to lead our country. This IS the result. Trump has always been just a different flavor of big government. Trump is a populist that blows with the wind. It is as simple as demanding that private healthcare insurance cover preexisting conditions. There is nothing constitutional or conservative about that. It contradicts the very definition of insurance. It is simply another massive top down entitlement program with the mirage of being private sector.

That is RIGHT.

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« Reply #720 on: March 20, 2021, 04:48:12 pm »
The applicable caricature here is Gabby Hayes ranting in his mountain cabin about the "gubmint" while doing nothing.

Who is doing nothing? I do plenty. You're just pissed I won't do for YOU and your feckless movement.  :shrug:

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« Reply #721 on: March 20, 2021, 04:49:55 pm »
Trump certainly is a populist in the sense he draws people who are naturally conservative....blue collar workers, small town folks, rural citizens, escapees from communism (Cubans)...into a powerful coalition that opposes the rising socialism and woke-ism that is pervading the Left. He is also someone who is skilled at motivating people to vote, rally and fight for conservative issues. How horribly populist! He also is a man who governed as conservatively, in terms of policy, as any president in our lifetimes...rivaled ONLY by the great Ronald Reagan.

So no, the MAGA movement embodies all of the traditional positions of conservatism...calling that a betrayal is just another bitter lie of an NT movement that is filled with RINO's (Romneys-Bushes-Cheneys), bitter losers (McCains), and purists who want an entire conservative agenda imposed via fiat in an instant (idiotically impossible). The MAGA movement fights to get every single conservative issue implemented as policy...and it understands that is not an instantaneous process...it takes political will and skill.

Ask yourself this...why does the Left LOVE NeverTrumpers (you fellas, Romney, Bush, Cheney, McCain, etcetera) and their movement....and despise MAGA and President Trump?

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« Reply #722 on: March 20, 2021, 04:53:21 pm »
Nah. A small government is scared of its subjects. A big government enslaves its subjects. The government that is big enough to 'help' is big enough to enslave. And it will. Conservatism 101. No shit Sherlock, we all agree that small government is better. Your claim that its what, historically leads to tyranny, is just not correct.

I have facilitated nothing. And you have sustained nothing. And I get that what you do, you do with the best of intentions... But then, don't they all. The bottom line:

You got nothing. Government GREW. Government went LEFT. And it cost tens of trillions.
And you wonder why I will not support that. You say "I'd have voted for Cruz" who would have done almost PRECISELY as Trump did in fiscal terms...because Cruz knows he cannot simply impose a balanced budget on his own. Like Trump, he can steer the ocean liner gradually in a direction, and sometimes he can't do that as he must evade the ice berg in his path. As for Cruz and Trump, Cruz would have governed...if anything...less conservatively than Trump because he lacked the ability of Trump to rally public support for conservative policies.

I don't expect anything instantaneous. But I expect it to go in the right direction.
I DO expect a budget. I DO expect that budget to be balanced. I DO expect debt to be addressed.
None of that happened.
Throw the paper to the wind and start printing money. That'll fix it.Nobody here advocates for "throwing paper to the wind"...this is at best a strawman argument. But any GOP President can only do what can be done...they cannot singlehandedly make the government fiscally responsible, that requires a Senate and House that are equally conservative and a populace that will support such action.

That ain't fighting for anything.Another lie, they have fought their asses off for conservatism.

I would have voted for Cruz. I would vote for Rand Paul off the cuff, probably Cotton too. And there you go again spouting bullshit lines about perfection/purity.All of those men are great...and none would have done anything differently than Trump in terms of policy...in fact, they'd almost certainly have been forced into much greater compromise.

Where I stand is upon the STANDARD of political Conservatism. it is the standard Standard. It is what we ALL agreed to fight together to support. The only people claiming that to be unattainable are those who don't want it in the first place.We are all doing that...all of us here are fighting for the standard of Conservatism.


And the Huns ain't the problem. There's a gate between us and them. No, the gate is down and the Horde is pouring into the city on the hill.

It's the Republicans that are the problem. THEY are the ones claiming to defend, that don't defend a single damn thing. Which leads to the dilemma of the OP.And here you are rearranging the furniture while all around you burns and the nation is literally "sacked" by the Lefty horde.

HEAR ME:
Liberalism is not winning on its merit - It has no merit.Of course it doesn't.
Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.No, its winning because the Left unites and conservatives factionalize.

Think that through. I have.

Y'all ain't no damn different than any other hyphenated Conservatism.cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye

You are no more conservative than myself nor most of those here on this site. The ONLY difference is that most of us understand we live in a Republic and cannot simply impose all that we want...we have to gain popular support, make politically wise and strategic moves, and...gads...sometimes compromise as Reagan advocated to get the 80% conservative solution.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #723 on: March 20, 2021, 04:55:41 pm »
No, that would be the RINO's and NT's who failed to support him....that's who "handed this country over to America's enemies". It was people like YOU who betrayed us all and lifted up the Left to its current position...we went into battle against these folks and you either ignored the call, to duty, hid from the fight, and/or deserted us in the heat of battle to sustain your own self serving sense of "purity". The gall you have to come here and blame Trump, your fellow conservatives, and the MAGA movement is absolutely astounding. Physician...heal thyself.

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I would be in complete agreement if it weren't for the fact that I don't even think he is a RINO . As bad as "Party People" can be,they aren't THAT bad. He is nothing less than a leftist posing as a Rino.

Which,really isn't as big a step to the left that some of you think it would be.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #724 on: March 20, 2021, 05:00:24 pm »
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