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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #100 on: February 04, 2021, 08:10:13 pm »
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #101 on: February 04, 2021, 08:21:34 pm »
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #102 on: February 04, 2021, 08:25:46 pm »
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #103 on: February 04, 2021, 08:40:00 pm »
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #104 on: February 04, 2021, 09:09:17 pm »
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #105 on: February 04, 2021, 09:10:30 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 04, 2021, 09:09:17 pm
Thanks for the handy compendium.

You spelled "handy Compost" wrong.
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #106 on: February 04, 2021, 09:46:31 pm »
Proving to a liar/deceiver that they lie and deceive is acknowledging they are who and what they are.  You are likely to get a proud; So what ?
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #107 on: February 04, 2021, 10:07:56 pm »
Quote from: christian on February 04, 2021, 09:46:31 pm
Proving to a liar/deceiver that they lie and deceive is acknowledging they are who and what they are.  You are likely to get a proud; So what ?

How have I "lied", sir?
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #108 on: February 04, 2021, 10:23:14 pm »
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #109 on: February 04, 2021, 10:50:05 pm »
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #110 on: February 04, 2021, 10:54:24 pm »
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #111 on: February 05, 2021, 01:17:10 am »
Jes' another thread ruined by jazzhead.
Why do people even bother with him?
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #112 on: February 05, 2021, 02:24:44 am »
Quote from: Fishrrman on February 05, 2021, 01:17:10 am
Jes' another thread ruined by jazzhead.
Why do people even bother with him?

Because he deliberately pushes buttons to piss people off, that's why.  He's good at damaging Forums.  It's his prideful thing.

I don't think he gives a rat's ass about politics.
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #113 on: February 05, 2021, 02:39:37 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 05, 2021, 02:24:44 am
Because he deliberately pushes buttons to piss people off, that's why.  He's good at damaging Forums.  It's his prideful thing.

I don't think he gives a rat's ass about politics.

He's an F'n troll just like I've been telling you for ages.
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #114 on: February 05, 2021, 03:06:12 am »
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #115 on: February 05, 2021, 03:11:27 am »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 04, 2021, 06:34:29 pm
Could you please lay off your lie that I "trash Trump supporters"?   

I despise Trump,  not his supporters.   They will recognize in time that Trump betrayed their hopes and dreams far more than he did anyone else's.

Trump could have been one of the great American Presidents,  had he just been able to control his most self-destructive and paranoid tendencies.   His demise was by his own hand.   Unfortunately,  a lot of us were counting on him,  and the cost of his betrayal will be enormous.
No, he hasn't betrayed my dreams, those are intact. Nor did he betray my hopes except to expose that hoping the Swamp wasn't as deep on the GOP side of the aisle as the Marxist side was fanciful and naive.

I didn't expect much from him at first, and in some ways he outperformed those expectations, however brief those results may be..

However, I did expect some cooperation from the GOP members of the Senate and House, who could have worked with Trump to codify Executive Orders for the benefit of the nation.  I expected professionalism from the DOJ, and the impartiality that should be present in investigating crimes and enforcing the law. I expected those in positions of power in medical agencies to call for complete and thorough investigation of SARS-CoV-2 and the possible treatments for the disease known as Covid-19 caused thereby, using complete regimens appropriately administered, and doing good science, not playing politics.

In those aspects I was deeply disappointed, Both in the DOJ, as well as the CDC, the FDA, the NIH, and the NIAID.

That anyone would carry their individual dislike, for whatever motivation, for an individual first and foremost to the great detriment of the Nation and the loss of at least tens of thousands of lives is sufficient cause for (at minimum) prison time, as a crime against humanity.

That criminals are getting away with the perfidy and activities they have performed, abusing power they had and being rewarded with more, is to me an abomination.

After the performance of the vast majority of the GOP in the past 4 years, they are lower than snake shit to me, and that Cheney wants to be a standard bearer for that, places her even lower.

There won't be any playing nice. May Almighty God rot them all.
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #116 on: February 05, 2021, 03:11:53 am »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 05, 2021, 03:06:12 am
Toughly worded opinions, perhaps,  but not lies.   Surely you know the difference.

Forgive @Hoodat.  It's hard to tell sometimes when opinions are stated (firmly, with no finesse) as facts.

(I'm starting to sound like a broken long-playing record.)
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #117 on: February 05, 2021, 03:21:29 am »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on February 04, 2021, 07:44:37 pm
This.
After spending months of his proclaiming that "We are being disenfranchised, robbed, stolen from by evil people!" did Trump really think that enraged mob would be content to walk forlornly to the Capitol, locked arm in arm, swaying, singing, and shuffling to the soothing strains of "We Shall Overcome?"

What was the goal? Would one vote in the building have changed if the crowd had just stood there peacefully milling about the Capitol? Nah, Trump wanted the spectacle. He wanted the chaos. If Obama had made the exact same speech and a bunch of BLM'ers had similarly stormed the Capitol would there be all this parsing of his language and discerning of his intent? 


Rabble-rousing is what it is.   Problem is that sometimes things can go wrong when the rabble is roused. 



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I do feel for the QAnoners, misguided as they were. There were a lot of good people who thought they were doing right by children. Lives, relationships, families, livelihoods, finances have been irreparably ruined. Trump could have extricated and freed them from their toxic rabbit hole with a single tweet, but he is too defective a person to do so. Because their delusion helped him. Because "I understand they like me very much." Never mind how many lives of some of his most ardent supporters that were ruined.


Interesting point.  He led these folks down the rabbit hole.  Most folks get involved in politics out of a sincere desire to change what's wrong.   This is a tragedy that could and should have been avoided.   

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At least Trump raised 207 million for himself on his way out the door, so I guess it all ended well. 

His supporters still shower him with affection, and cash.

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And, @Jazzhead I think you're nutty as squirrel sh__ to argue with these folks and subject yourself to the torrent of abuse. Donald Trump's daily buffoonery as he played politician is a short-lived source of humor in my life; I have no desire to argue with his fans.

I remember when the board was evenly moderated and we had a lot of articulate,  independent voices.   Trump has changed the tone of everything in the GOP,  so it's much the same at discussion boards like this.   It's a shame so much of the personal abuse is left untended by the mods.   

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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #118 on: February 05, 2021, 03:30:19 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on February 05, 2021, 03:11:27 am
No, he hasn't betrayed my dreams, those are intact. Nor did he betray my hopes except to expose that hoping the Swamp wasn't as deep on the GOP side of the aisle as the Marxist side was fanciful and naive.

I didn't expect much from him at first, and in some ways he outperformed those expectations, however brief those results may be..

However, I did expect some cooperation from the GOP members of the Senate and House, who could have worked with Trump to codify Executive Orders for the benefit of the nation.  I expected professionalism from the DOJ, and the impartiality that should be present in investigating crimes and enforcing the law. I expected those in positions of power in medical agencies to call for complete and thorough investigation of SARS-CoV-2 and the possible treatments for the disease known as Covid-19 caused thereby, using complete regimens appropriately administered, and doing good science, not playing politics.

In those aspects I was deeply disappointed, Both in the DOJ, as well as the CDC, the FDA, the NIH, and the NIAID.

That anyone would carry their individual dislike, for whatever motivation, for an individual first and foremost to the great detriment of the Nation and the loss of at least tens of thousands of lives is sufficient cause for (at minimum) prison time, as a crime against humanity.

That criminals are getting away with the perfidy and activities they have performed, abusing power they had and being rewarded with more, is to me an abomination.

After the performance of the vast majority of the GOP in the past 4 years, they are lower than snake shit to me, and that Cheney wants to be a standard bearer for that, places her even lower.

There won't be any playing nice. May Almighty God rot them all.

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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #119 on: February 05, 2021, 03:36:49 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on February 05, 2021, 03:11:27 am
No, he hasn't betrayed my dreams, those are intact. Nor did he betray my hopes except to expose that hoping the Swamp wasn't as deep on the GOP side of the aisle as the Marxist side was fanciful and naive.

I didn't expect much from him at first, and in some ways he outperformed those expectations, however brief those results may be..

However, I did expect some cooperation from the GOP members of the Senate and House, who could have worked with Trump to codify Executive Orders for the benefit of the nation.  I expected professionalism from the DOJ, and the impartiality that should be present in investigating crimes and enforcing the law. I expected those in positions of power in medical agencies to call for complete and thorough investigation of SARS-CoV-2 and the possible treatments for the disease known as Covid-19 caused thereby, using complete regimens appropriately administered, and doing good science, not playing politics.

In those aspects I was deeply disappointed, Both in the DOJ, as well as the CDC, the FDA, the NIH, and the NIAID.

That anyone would carry their individual dislike, for whatever motivation, for an individual first and foremost to the great detriment of the Nation and the loss of at least tens of thousands of lives is sufficient cause for (at minimum) prison time, as a crime against humanity.

That criminals are getting away with the perfidy and activities they have performed, abusing power they had and being rewarded with more, is to me an abomination.

After the performance of the vast majority of the GOP in the past 4 years, they are lower than snake shit to me, and that Cheney wants to be a standard bearer for that, places her even lower.

There won't be any playing nice. May Almighty God rot them all.
Thank you! Ditto the living crap outta this post.
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #120 on: February 05, 2021, 05:14:36 am »
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How have I "lied", sir?

christian:
Despite all the discovery of election fraud, by witnesses, investigations, video evidence, you demand there was no fraud.
Let me make this easier for your, L I A R !  Just because you lock-step doesn't make lies, truth.

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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #121 on: February 05, 2021, 06:36:08 am »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 02, 2021, 07:10:11 pm
Just how is Liz Cheney a threat to "bring down our Republic"?   What is the sense of slandering good conservatives this way?

Good grief Jazz, you can't of meant that.
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #122 on: February 05, 2021, 01:33:39 pm »
Quote from: christian on February 05, 2021, 05:14:36 am
christian:
Despite all the discovery of election fraud, by witnesses, investigations, video evidence, you demand there was no fraud.
Let me make this easier for your, L I A R !  Just because you lock-step doesn't make lies, truth.

I never said there was no fraud.   I said there was no actionable evidence of fraud of a degree that would have overturned the results of the election.   And once the states had certified their electors,  I assumed that Trump would concede and graciously prepare for the transition.   Instead he was petty,  combative, and continued to scream fraud from the rooftops.   The result was the destruction of his political reputation.   The members of his movement now need to decide if they want to follow him down that same road.   
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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #123 on: February 05, 2021, 02:03:19 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 05, 2021, 01:33:39 pm
I never said there was no fraud.   I said there was no actionable evidence of fraud of a degree that would have overturned the results of the election.

This is also my position. Maybe someday we might find out that there was enough fraud to make  a difference regarding the outcome but I’ve been hearing “we wuz robbed” since 2000 from the losing side

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Re: Lindsey Graham comes to Liz Cheney's defense
« Reply #124 on: February 05, 2021, 02:40:07 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on February 05, 2021, 02:03:19 pm
This is also my position. Maybe someday we might find out that there was enough fraud to make  a difference regarding the outcome but I’ve been hearing “we wuz robbed” since 2000 from the losing side
Given the slender margins of victory in the key states and all of the BS with Covid mail in ballots, drop boxes, throwing watchers out of counting rooms, etc etc there is enough reason for reasonable people to believe enough fraud occurred to swing the election. More than enough.

But no, this will never be conclusively determined, not now. Even if anyone cared to.
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